Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Dear Inder Prof KSK in his 1st reader gave the Ayanamsa as on 1st Jan in DEG and Minutes. So every 6 years the Aynamsa repeated. Prof Balachandra has given ayanamsa as on 15 th April in Deg Min Seconds. So the difference iss only numerical. This is about 30 secs. One need not worry as diff is about 30 secs, and it does not affect the SuB Lords, except in border line cases. SUB-SUB will change. good luck Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear Raichur,What is the difference between Ayanmsa given by Prof.KSK and Prof Bala chandra.Is there a small numerical difference?Inder , anant raichur wrote:> Dear RG> > What is this KP 2 ayanamsa ? There are only 2 yanamsas . The Old KP as given by> > Prof KSK in his books, and the New KPA as given by prof balachandra in KP & Astology> > 2003. This has been now loaded to our files section by vin Tin> > .Please refer only to these two.> > thank you > R G wrote:> Dear Shri Udupa> as desired by you I once again giving below my last mail:> > I have prepared horoscope based on KP 2 Ayanamsha.> > Birth time appears to be correct since Asc sub sub lord Sun is connected through its star lord (Mer) to Moon star lord which happens to be Mer. This is checked for birth time error of 2-3 minutes.> > Asc sub sub lord (SSL) Sun has positional status. Based on its positional status it is signifying the 5th house where it is posited. It is also signifying 1st and 5th cusp as their sub lord (SL). Sun is also connected to 2,4,5,6,9,10,11 & 12th cusps at its star, sub and sub sub level (Me, Me, Ve) It is strongly connected to 5th cusp at at positional, star and sub level.> > Accident> > On 6th april 2005 Moon-Rahu-Mercury-Ven-Ven/Sun Dasha was running.> > Moon> > Moon is having positional status signifying 5th house (negating the significations of 6th cusp). Moon is in star of Mer and in Sub and Sub Sub of Sat. Mer is star and sub lord of 5th cusp (negating the significations of 6th cusp). Sat is SSL of 8th cusp, indicating accident.> > Rahu> > Rahu SL is Ketu, SL and SSL is Jup> > Ket is SL of 8th cusp and is in sign of Ven (Rah and Ket give the results of their sign lords also) Ven is sign lord 3rd and 8th cusp. Both these cusp are vacant hence Ketu signify both these houses.> > Jup is SSL of 6th cusp and star lord of 8th cusp, strongly indicating accident.> > Mercury> > Mer is in star of Jup, in Sub of Rahu and in Sub Sub of Sun> > Jup has already been discussed above.> > Rah is SL of 6th, star lord of 12 and SSL of 11th cusp, signifying visit to hospital.> > Sun is SSL of Asc and 7th cusp, diluting the significations of 8th cusp.> > Ven> > Ven at steller level is signifying 6th cups (where it is posited), 3rd and 12 cusps as the lord of these vacant houses. This signification is not strong.> > Ven is in star of Ven, Sub of Jup and sub sub of Sat.> > Ven is SSL of 5th cusp, diluting significations of 6th cusp but strongly signifying th cusp as 6th starlord.> > Jup SL of Ven has already been discussed above.> > Sat SSL of Ven is SSL of 8th & 12th cusp strongly signifying accident and visit to hospital. Sat as SL of 11th cusp diluting the visit/stay of hospital.> > If at the time of accident Pran Dasha was Ven, very strong chances of accident. If Pran Dasha was Sun (star lord Mer, SL Ven, SSL Rah), the chances of accident are average with quick recovery since Sun is Asc and 7th SSL and has positional status signifying 5th cusp (negating 6th cusp).> > Recovery> > For recovery, Dasa/Bhukti of planets signifying 5th and 7th cusp should be operative. 5th cusp star lord and SL is Mer.whose Bhkti is there from 21.3.2005 to 7.6.2005. This is indicating recovery process to start immediately after accident. 5th SSL is Ven who is not likely to help in recovery.> > SSL of 7th cusp is Sun who is SSL of Asc also. It is signifying strong will power of the native to recover. During Bhukti of Sun (8.10.2005 to 5.11.2005) the native will recover fast.> > Mar is star lord and SL of 7th cusp is Mars. During bhukti of Mars (20.12.2005 to 21.1.2006) the native will recover fully.> > Marriage> > The native has chances to ger married during Moon-Rah-Mar Dasha (20.12.95 to 21.1.-2006)> > Moon as positional status and signifying as sign lord and is occupying 5th cusp. Moon is star lord of 11th cusp. Both these houses are favourable for marriage. Moon is SSL of 3rd, 4th, 9th and 10th cusp. This position is not very strong for negating the result of 5th and 11th cusp. Because 3rd and 4th cusp are opposing 9th and 10th cusp, thus neutralizing the negative effect on 5th and 11th cusp. > > Rahu is in star of Ketu, which is SN of the cusp and 2nd cusp, reducing the chances of marriage.> > Mars has positional status. Mars is positive in 7th cusp as lord of 9th and 1st cusp. (1sta nd 9th cusp as vacant) Hence, Mars with positional status is strongly favourable for marriage. Mars is SSL of 4th cusp diluting the results of 5th cusp. Mars is star loed and sub loard of 7th cusp again strongly favouring the marriage.> > Mars is also sub-lord of 9th cusp.> > The above indicates that there are reasonably good chances of marriage during dasha of Moon – Rahu – Mars. Pooja of Sun is recommended because Sun is SSL of ascendant ASC and 7th cusp. Sun may play role in Shookhashm stroke pran dasha. Mars is strong significator of 7th cusp, hence, pooja of Shri Hanuman Ji has been recommended.> > Thanks> > Roopeshwar Gupta> > > AH Udupa wrote:> Dear RG,> I have deleted the last mail without knoing the method was there.Can you kindly forward the same to me if it is still available with you? I will also try to procure the book you have suggested, many many thanks.> regards,> Udupa> > > R G wrote:> Procedure is given in my last mail. For birth time rectification you may refer to book 'Your True Horoscope' by Shri S P Khullar, published by Sagar publications Delhi. This book is very useful and the technique given in the book give very good and accurate results.> Roopeshwar Gupta> AH Udupa wrote:> Dear Shi RG> What is the procedure for birthtime checking?> Thank you in advance.> Regards,> Udupa> > > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote:> Dear Roopeshwar Gupta,> > Thanks a lot for providing so much information. I will suggest the same to the native.> > Thanks & Regards,> Upadhyaya> - > R G > > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:08 PM> Re: Accident, Marriage ?> > > > Dear Shri Upadhyaya> > I have prepared horoscope based on KP 2 Ayanamsha.> > Birth time appears to be correct since Asc sub sub lord Sun is connected through its star lord (Mer) to Moon star lord which happens to be Mer. This is checked for birth time error of 2-3 minutes.> > Asc sub sub lord (SSL) Sun has positional status. Based on its positional status it is signifying the 5th house where it is posited. It is also signifying 1st and 5th cusp as their sub lord (SL). Sun is also connected to 2,4,5,6,9,10,11 & 12th cusps at its star, sub and sub sub level (Me, Me, Ve) It is strongly connected to 5th cusp at at positional, star and sub level.> > Accident> > On 6th april 2005 Moon-Rahu-Mercury-Ven-Ven/Sun Dasha was running.> > Moon> > Moon is having positional status signifying 5th house (negating the significations of 6th cusp). Moon is in star of Mer and in Sub and Sub Sub of Sat. Mer is star and sub lord of 5th cusp (negating the significations of 6th cusp). Sat is SSL of 8th cusp, indicating accident.> > Rahu> > Rahu SL is Ketu, SL and SSL is Jup> > Ket is SL of 8th cusp and is in sign of Ven (Rah and Ket give the results of their sign lords also) Ven is sign lord 3rd and 8th cusp. Both these cusp are vacant hence Ketu signify both these houses.> > Jup is SSL of 6th cusp and star lord of 8th cusp, strongly indicating accident.> > Mercury> > Mer is in star of Jup, in Sub of Rahu and in Sub Sub of Sun> > Jup has already been discussed above.> > Rah is SL of 6th, star lord of 12 and SSL of 11th cusp, signifying visit to hospital.> > Sun is SSL of Asc and 7th cusp, diluting the significations of 8th cusp.> > Ven> > Ven at steller level is signifying 6th cups (where it is posited), 3rd and 12 cusps as the lord of these vacant houses. This signification is not strong.> > Ven is in star of Ven, Sub of Jup and sub sub of Sat.> > Ven is SSL of 5th cusp, diluting significations of 6th cusp but strongly signifying th cusp as 6th starlord.> > Jup SL of Ven has already been discussed above.> > Sat SSL of Ven is SSL of 8th & 12th cusp strongly signifying accident and visit to hospital. Sat as SL of 11th cusp diluting the visit/stay of hospital.> > If at the time of accident Pran Dasha was Ven, very strong chances of accident. If Pran Dasha was Sun (star lord Mer, SL Ven, SSL Rah), the chances of accident are average with quick recovery since Sun is Asc and 7th SSL and has positional status signifying 5th cusp (negating 6th cusp).> > Recovery> > For recovery, Dasa/Bhukti of planets signifying 5th and 7th cusp should be operative. 5th cusp star lord and SL is Mer.whose Bhkti is there from 21.3.2005 to 7.6.2005. This is indicating recovery process to start immediately after accident. 5th SSL is Ven who is not likely to help in recovery.> > SSL of 7th cusp is Sun who is SSL of Asc also. It is signifying strong will power of the native to recover. During Bhukti of Sun (8.10.2005 to 5.11.2005) the native will recover fast.> > Mar is star lord and SL of 7th cusp is Mars. During bhukti of Mars (20.12.2005 to 21.1.2006) the native will recover fully.> > Marriage> > The native has chances to ger married during Moon-Rah-Mar Dasha (20.12.95 to 21.1.-2006)> > Moon as positional status and signifying as sign lord and is occupying 5th cusp. Moon is star lord of 11th cusp. Both these houses are favourable for marriage. Moon is SSL of 3rd, 4th, 9th and 10th cusp. This position is not very strong for negating the result of 5th and 11th cusp. Because 3rd and 4th cusp are opposing 9th and 10th cusp, thus neutralizing the negative effect on 5th and 11th cusp. > > Rahu is in star of Ketu, which is SN of the cusp and 2nd cusp, reducing the chances of marriage.> > Mars has positional status. Mars is positive in 7th cusp as lord of 9th and 1st cusp. (1sta nd 9th cusp as vacant) Hence, Mars with positional status is strongly favourable for marriage. Mars is SSL of 4th cusp diluting the results of 5th cusp. Mars is star loed and sub loard of 7th cusp again strongly favouring the marriage.> > Mars is also sub-lord of 9th cusp.> > The above indicates that there are reasonably good chances of marriage during dasha of Moon – Rahu – Mars. Pooja of Sun is recommended because Sun is SSL of ascendant ASC and 7th cusp. Sun may play role in Shookhashm stroke pran dasha. Mars is strong significator of 7th cusp, hence, pooja of Shri Hanuman Ji has been recommended.> > Roopeshwar Gupta> > > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote: Dear RG,> > Thank you for your inputs.> > For better understanding of your comments, what is the> reason behind worshipping Surya and Shree Hanuman Jee.> > Regards and Thanks> Upadhyaya> > --- R G wrote:> > > Hello> > She will recover by 1st week of Nov. 2005> > She has weak chances of getting married. She should> > worship Surya and Shree Hanuman Jee.. This will help> > her in getting married. The possibility of getting> > married between Dec 2005 and Jan 2006 in not rules> > out.> > RG> > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote:> > Dear Members,> > > > I am posting the chart of a woman/girl who met with> > an> > accident on> > 6-Apr-2005. One of her leg got cut. She had> > undergone> > surgery and on bed> > rest for next 3 months. She has sufferred with minor> > accidents since 2003.> > > > This girl is still unmarried.> > > > DOB: 6-8-1967> > TOB: 22:30> > Lat: 12N52> > Lon: 74E53> > > > 1) Will she get married?> > 2) When will she recover?> > > > > > Please provide your feedbakc, inputs, comments.> > > > Analysis> > 1) Marriage> > 7csl, Ma signifying 2 & 7 => the native is destined> > to> > get married.> > Further analysis I will post tomorrow (as I am not> > feeling well).> > > > 2) Accident> > > > 8csl, Ke S(7, 3,8, 2, 9). As Ke signify both 8 and> > marakastana => native> > will meet wit accidents. 3H => short journeys?> > > > The DBA at the time of accident is Mo-Rh-Me.> > > > Mo in the star of badhaka and sub of the occupant> > and> > lord of 12 => danger> > to life. Association of 6 lord is also there. Ju> > grace> > should have helped> > the native.> > > > Dasa lord is in the sub of lord of 11 => recovery is> > promised.> > > > Bukthi lord Rh is being aspected by Ma, a malefic.> > Both these planets are> > danger to life. Ma is also a maraka.> > Rh is in the star of Ke, occupant of 7 but Ke> > represents Ve, 8 lord. So> > danger to life.> > > > Antara lord, Me, is badhaka and is in the sub of Rh> > (S(1, 2, 7, 9,)).> > > > Recovey will happen during the periods ruled by> > significators of 5, 11.> > > >> ---------> > 5 Bud-Bud Cha Sur> > Cha> > Gur> > > > Bud> >> ---------> > 11 Cha-San San> >> ---------> > > > Me, Ju, Mo, Su, Sa> > > > The native would get fully recovered during the> > Mo-Ju.> > > > Regards,> > Upadhyaya> > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> > protection around > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 POSTINGS IN OUR GROUP REGARDING OLD & NEW KP AYANMASA (Msg#4477 of KP Group) anant raichur <anant_1608 Fri May 6, 2005 1:49 am Re: Ayanamsha Dear Vijay Kumar The original KP Ayanamsa was as given in KP Reader 1 (1957 editionm) It was given as on 1st Jan of the Year . 1840 to 2000 was covered. It was in Deg. and Minutes only. This was assummed to be valiod for the whole year. Based on this and a lot of study, in getting the Best fit for these figures, (except a few years, where prima facie a printing error was there) , I had formulated my SW formula. The latest corrected KPA by Prof Balachandra was published in KP Annual 2003. I have now adapted that for my SW. He gave the formula for April 15. In my SW I have convertred that ias of 1st Jan. My SW now gives the ayan calculated to the day. The St. Line formula which Mr Subramaniam of SUB SPEAKS fame adopted, and refused to listen to arguments against it, was (year-291)*50.2388471 secs........(the annual change as given in Book !). This formula was later on claimed by another Dr. V..... and named by him as KPV ayanamsa. The New KPA as used by me is PY=YEAR-1900 AYAN in deg on 1st JAN IS = 22+(1335+PYx50.2388475)/3600 + PYxPYx.000111/3600 Vijay Kumar <v_kumar wrote: Dear Sh. Raichur, Sometimes before, there was a long discussion going on Ayanamsha in KP forum, and precisely on KP ayanamsha. I did not get many threads of the discussions due to my own limitation of not much conversant with astronomical fundamentals. I request you to kindly give me the mathematical formula of calculating the ayanamsha so that I may calculate the following variations of it manually : 01. KP ayansmsha 02. KP ayanamsha - New 03. KP straight-line ayanamsha (adjusted) Sir, I would be very grateful to you for this help. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Kumar --- ------ (Msg#1530) " tw853 " <tw853 Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:55 am IN DEFENCE OF KP AYANAMSA by PROF. K. BALACHANDRAN IN DEFENCE OF KP AYANAMSA Based on M.G.G. Nair's article – May 1980 in A & A, by PROF. K. BALACHANDRAN (K.P. & ASTROLOGY 2003, P. 88-91) 1. According to Shri Lahiri's Tables of the Sun based on Prof. New Combs accurate values, the longtitude of the Sayana mean Sun would be exactly 360* or 0' (Aries) at 8:21 IST on the 23rd March of 291 A.D. That is to say, the mean vernal equinox of 291 A.D. occurred at that epoch which w as the the Epoch of coincidence of the tropical and sidereal Zodiacs orthe Zero Epoch of Zero Ayanamsa. 2. According to Shri Lahiri, there is a positive ayanamsa of 4'59''.31 at our zero Ayanamsa epoch (viz. 4h:41m:18s on the 23 rd March 291 A.D.) 3. Formula to calculate Ayanamsa for 5:30 AM IST of April 15 of every year = 22* + (1350 + <t-1900>*50.2388475)/3600 + (<t-1900>*<t-1900>*0.000111)/3600 where t = (birth) year (The similar formula to the one of adjusted Equation (6) in Msg#1481. The difference is 1350 for April 15 here and 1335 for 1st January there.) 4. Examples I: Ayanamsa for 1920: 22*39'15'', II for 1950: 23*4'22'', III for 1980: 23*29'30'', IV for 2049: 24*27'18''. Note: In easier form, KPA = 22.375 +d (50.2388475 + 0.000111d)/ 3600 where d = birth year – 1900 (Similar to Equation (7) in Msg#1481, the difference is here 22.375 for April 15 and 22.3708 for 1st January there) For 1900, KPA = 22.375 = 22*22'30'' Fine tuning for 1st January 1900, Number day of the year to April 15 = 105 Adjustment (105/365)* (50.2388475 + 0.000111*20) = 14.45sec KPA for 1st January 1990 = 22*22'30'' – 14.45sec = 22*22'15.55sec = 22*22'16'' OR for easier way, KPA for 1991 – KPA for 1991 (from table) =22-23-21 minus 22-22-30 = 51 sec Adjustment = 51*(105/365) = 14.67sec = 15sec KPA for 1 st January 1990 = 22*22'30'' – 15sec = 22*22'15sec (Only 1sec difference due to rounding; 360 may be taken in place of 365) For 1920, KPA = 22.375 + 20 (50.2388475 + 0.000111*20)/3600 = 22.375 + 0.2791 = 22.6541 = 22*39'15'' KPA for 1st January 1920 = 22*39'15''- 50*(105/365) =22*39'15''- 14sec= 22*39'1'' - EDITOR SKEAKS, K. SUBRAMANIAM (K.P. & ASTRLOGY 2003) 1. Regarding the vexed question of " Ayanamsa " our Guruji Shri K.S.K. says that those who follows this K.P. System are advised to take the ayanamsa which he has given in his books which is the only correct ayanamsa for predictive purpose. He also advised to give the Ayanamsa correction only from the year beyond 2001, for each year, we have to add at the rate of 50.2388475 sec/year. 2. So, I advise all my readers & followers of this K.P. System to follow only our Guruji's Ayanamsa and there will not be any second opinion regarding this subject of ie. " K.P. Ayanamsa " . 3. Those who want to write artcles based on other than the K.P. Ayanamsa advised by our Guruji K.S.K. will not be published hereafter in this magazine. I request the co-operation of all the K.P. followers as regards in this matter. 4. In this issue we are publishing an accurate Tables of Ayanamsa for the years 1900-2052 AD on New Comb's precision for the benefit of readers and K.P. follwoers. These values are as on 15th April every year. (Table added to file) 5. We, the committee members hereby declare that the values of ayanamsa found in the tables published in this issue is the final table and also these tables supersedes all the previous Tables of ayanamsa published in K. P. Reader I & all ephemeris (Krishman & C.) K.P.T.O.H. & H.T.O.H. etc. --- ---- Msg#1516 anant raichur <anant_1608 Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:58 am Re: Re: Which is the best software program for KP - KPBC1 & A TEST THE So called NEW kp ayanamsa is not new, in the sense the Basic Year of Coincidence of the Two Systems (Sayan and Nirayan) coincided on 21st March 291 ( Not 285 as given by Laheri). The rate of precicion was 50.23... as per Newcomb. What was not stated the exact formula to derive the Ayanamsa for each year. The figures for 1840 to 2000 were given to the nearest minute. It was also stated that this shd be taken as constant thru out the year. When accurate computers were not easily availble, and even Table of Houses were not giving results upto minutes for houses otherr than ASC. The whole system was in consonance with the standards of accuracy possibel then. To day with computers easily availble, astrologers calculate the Planetary positions which are given to the nearest seconds. The Ayanamsa has also to be correct to seconds, otherwise if one uses an ayanmsa correct only to Nearest Minute, the resulting Nirayana positions will only be correct to the minute, through expressed in Seconds. Prof Balchandra,considered this, and with changing the Basics of KSK, i.e. year 291 AD and the Newcombs rate of precission , and also allowing for a fact that the rate of precision, changes significantly for a span of 100 years, caame out with a formuale for the KP Aynamsa. This again is now rounded to 30 seconds. Except in BORDERLINE cases, all Lords including the SUB-LORD remain the same. It is ultimately the Lords we consider for prediction, and not the exact deg. or min of the House cusps. good lukc Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote: Well, I am catching up the new KP AY,. But what I like to share is this. 25 years back or earlier, when I started learning KP astrology I had predicted when a friend would come, when the failed electrictiy will come , when the booked trunk call will come. All of them came out correctly. So that Ayanamsa must be good. Yes you need a clinching test. Best is to look for incidents like hospitalisation, where 12th must operate and if one comes across conflicting evidence then one can follow through. Seshadri --- ----- Msg#1491 " tw853 " <tw853 Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:19 am Re: WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA FORMULAR? Dear Anant Raichur, Firstly, my sincere apology for not verifing the formula given by you. (1) I don't mean something not correct. Of course, if not correct, right comparable results can not be get. (2)It was pasted directly from Msg# 1163 of our KP Group. (3)Not mentioned about the formular in your Msg #1285 which gives very helpful information. (4)Would be grateful if Msg number for your sent copy is mentined for further study. (5)This is a very basic common astrological equation like 1+2 =3. (6)In the original Maheshri's equation also a typing error of " minus " sign in place of " plus " sign between 22.3666d and Tx (50.25.....), and the correct one is represented. Do I need to very? Secondly, I really thank you very much for explaining that Lahiri Ayanamsa is used in the UTOF. On the basis of Lahiri Ayanamsa for the year 1900 --- 22d-27m-55s, annual precession rate of 48sec for that year, fine tuning for 91 days up to 1-4-1900 to be comparable with Sri K. Hariharan's 22d-28m- 10.1535s figure, a simple interpolation gives 22d-28m-07s which is very close to SKH's figure. Thirdly, as noted in my presentation, the NEWCOMB figure recommended by Guruji KSK is used in the NKPA formula. Fourthly, that is why I'm wodering --- WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA FORMULAR? Once again my sincere apology and thanks. With my respect and wishes, tw --- anant raichur <anant_1608 (Msg#1487) Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:04 am Re: WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA FORMULAR? anant_1608 The formula given by me, is not correctly reproduced. It should be as verified from my sent copy PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR AYAN=22+(1335+PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 where where X4 is calender Year. While the controversy of the Correct Ayanamsa was going on, in the UTOH, the aynamsa adopted was really laheri's, though not so stated. Hence that 6ms diff. Regarding rate of change, KP followers have adopted the NEWCOMB figure, and not of the Modern astronomers. --- ------ Msg#1481 " tw853 " <tw853 Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:12 am WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA FORMULAR? Dear All, 1. There are three points to note in Original KPA (OKPA): (1) Year of coincidence of both Sayana and Nirayana zodiacs --- 291; (2) Annual precession rate ---- 50.2388475 as given by NEWCOMB; (3) Table of OKPA for 1840-2000, and later added up to 2040. 2. Sri K. Hariharan mentioned and used in his 1993 " Notable Persons & KP " , p 75, 138 & 153: (1) Ayanamsa for 1-4-1900 is 22d28m10.1535s as per the Univerasl Tables of Houses; (2) As per modern astronomy the rate of precession (in the UTOH) for the year 1900 is 50.2564sec; (3) The rate of precession itself is increasing at the rate of 0.000222sec per year (4) KPA = 80890.1535s + 50.2564 n + 0.000111 n*n Equation (1) In easier form, 80890.1535s + n (50.2564 + 0.000111 n) Equation (2) where 80890.1535s is for 22d28m10.1535s n = birth year - 1900 Note: (1) 22-28-10 for is much higher than 22-22 in table of OKPA; ---- Could someone check with UTOH and explain why so high ?? (2) two kinds of yearly increase rate in annual precession rate: 0.000111 & 0.000222 (3) not calculated in comparison due to a significant difference. 3. Dr. Jagdish Maheshri gives the following formula in his 1997 " It's All in Timing " , p 31: Correction Factor = 22.3666d + Tx (50.2564 + 0.0222 x T) /36 Equation (3) where T= (birth year – 1900)/100 It can be changed to the following easier form: MKPA = 22.3666 + d (50.2564 + 0.000222d)/ 3600 Equation (4) where MKPA = Maheshri KPA d = birth year – 1900 3600 is for conversion from second to degree Note: (1) This MKPA is very closed to OKPA with sec potion and 22.3666m is equal to 22d22m for 1900 as given in the table of OKPA. (2) MKPA for 291 + -0.2549, nearly zero 4. A very SIMPLE formula can be used a s follows: SKPA = D 50.055sec Equation (5) where SKPA = Simple KPA D = birth yaer – 291 5. Mr. Anant Raichur on New KP Aynamsa : The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated from the following formula; This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 Equation (6) This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4 seconds per month It should be PY*50.2388475, not PY*PY*50.2388475. In easier form, NKPA = 22.3708 + d (50.2388475 + 0.000111 d)/3600 Equation (7) where NKPA = New KPA D = birth year – 1900 CACULATED KPAs (D-M-S) APPLYING ABOVE EQUATIONS Year OKPA MKPA SKPA NKPA 1840 21-31 21-31-43 21-32-15 21-32-09 1900 22-22 22-22 22-22-18 22-2-15 1940 22-55 22-55-30 22-55-41 22-55-44 2000 23-46 23-45-48 33-45-44 23-45-58 2040 24-19 24-19-20 24-19-06 24-19-30 AVR 50.4 50.285 50.26 50.205 AVR = Average Yearly increase Rate over 200 years NKPA HIGHER THAN OTHER KPAs (M-S) Year OKPA MKPA SKPA 1840 1-09 0-26 -0-06 1900 0-15 0-15 -0-03 1940 0-44 0-14 0-03 2000 -0-02 0-10 0-14 2040 0-30 0-10 0-24 Note: (1) NKPA is 0-0-12 (almost zero) for the base year 291 as taken by KSK. (2) 50.2388475 is NEWCOMB annual precession rate as mentioned by KSK; (3) 0.000111 yearly increase rate in annual precession rate is used by Sri K. Hariharan and also in calculation of Lahiri Ayanamsa, not a new one. (4) Of course, average annual precession rate is the same as mentioned. But not much differences between NKPA and other KPAs, particularly MKPA, 10s to 26s only. How close for the year 2000. (5) Fine tuning up to DOB is also just nterpolation. WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA? Best regards, tw P.S. " In Comparing Ayanamsa: The case of Rabindranath Tagore " , Pandit Sanjay Rath concludes that " it is obvious from the above discussion that the Lahiri Ayanamsa is the closest to the truth, but at places this seemed to be a bit weak. The real Ayanamsa should be between the Lahiri and Raman Ayanamsa. " May be KPA ? which is not included in his study. Msg#1285 anant raichur anant_1608 Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:26 am RE: Question on KP Ayanamsa There has been lot of correspondeence on the KP Ayanamsa. Originally Prof K.S.K gave the ayanamsa as on 1st Jan from 1840 to 2000 in the K.P. 1st Reader. This Aynamsa was used thruout the year. The Table of Houses used were Raphels. The ephemeris was also Raphel. Later on Krishnmurthy Table of Houses, Universal Table of Houses were prepared when Computers became avilble in India. Then Nirayan Ephemeris were published, but using the one Value of Ayanamsa given BY KPK. I made a detailed study on this and evolved a formule, by which I was able to shown that the KP Ayanamsa, and the Ayanams derived by my formula,when rounded to minutes wwere tallying, except for certain Years... An error which could be visually detected by mere inspection. But the Sons of KP, and certain KP astrologers, (who literally interprted two sentences by KPK) would not change . In fact the discussion in the then KP Magazine was abruptly stopped by the editor. Then recently I beleve, in 2002-2003. Prof Bhalachandra made deep study, and the amended KPAYAMSA was published in the Year Book 2003. I checked it up and that tallies with my findings. So, in my programmes I am following that. Even though the KYAYANSA has now been modified, the difference in the Results is within 30 seconds. This small diiferece of 30 seconds, does NOT Chnage the Lords of the Planets or houses, except in borderline cases. Since the preditions are based on the Lors of Houses, KSK's preditions were correct, because the Lords remained same. IN FACT THE ASTROLOGICAL TIMES, a Monthly Magazine from NEW DELHI, use the Laheri Ayanamsa and calcultes the Sign, Star, and Sub lords. I have checked this with the correct KP and find that allmost all the lords are the same. It is only when we come to sub-subs that differences crop up. The other is the Dasa Starts, as Moon.s postion is affected. So one can always check up the incidents in life, and correct the Ayanas, if he feels it more appropriate. good luck Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: Dear Kanak, Thank you for your response. I couldn't decipher the formula. Could you kindly explain in greater detail? Also, what is the background to this new KP ayanamsa? Who has derived this and on what authority? If the old KP ayanamsa was wrong then how was Mr Krishnamurthi able to make such astounding predictions based on his old ayanamsa? Thanks for your time. Vidyadhar Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya --- -------------------- Msg#1263 " Kanakkumar Bosmia " <kanbosastro Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:24 am RE: Question on KP Ayanamsa Dear Friend, Mr.Raichur on New KP Aynamsa : The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated from the following formula; This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4 seconds per month regards kanak bosmia > " Vaidun Vidyadhar " <vvidya > > > Question on KP Ayanamsa >Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000 > >Dear List Members, > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. Now, >coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP ayanamsas, >the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the two? > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: vvidya > --- Msg#540 " kanbosastro " <kanbosastro Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:26 am about aynamsa dear friends, i want to say about KP aynamsa Mr. Krishanamurty wrote in his book " TRANSIT (GOCHARAPALA NIRNAYAM) " (READER NO:5) PAGE NO: XXX PERA NO 2, LINE 4 " ...........ONE WILL FIND THAT NEWCOMB IS CORRECT.I FOLLOW NEWCOMB. ............. " In K.P. & ASTROLOGY-2003 Page no: 89 artical of mr. Prof.K.Balachandran give calculation for aynamsa as per prof.new comb . i think aynamsa givan in K.P. & ASTROLOGY-2003 is correct.50 sec. per year is not correct but 50.2388475 is correct and date not 1 jan.but 15 April is correct. kanak bosmia --- ----------------------------- (Msg#422) Msg#422 Punit Pandey <pandeypunit Mon May 3, 2004 4:30 am Re: Re: Ayanamsha Dear François ji, Sri KSK was very experimental astrologer. As far as I know, he came up with this ayanamsa based on his experiments with astrology only. Nowadays there are some controversies going on with KP ayanamsa. The method he has suggested in his books and the ready-made ayanamsas given for different years do not match. So nowadays there are two different ayansmsas one is called KP Old and other is KP New. It is a question of great debate which one is correct. KP and Lahiri ayanamsas are very close. So most of the times it does not make much difference which ayanamsa you choose. Hope I'll be able to confuse you a little more J Regards, Punit Pandey Francois Carriere <francois.carriere wrote: , " Francois Carriere " <francois.carriere@l...> wrote: Hello everyone, This question of the ayanamsha seems to be crucial in hindu astrology. More important, is the question of knowing how to choose and uses the right ayanamsha and precession rate. What are the criteria needed for the good choice? What were those of K S Krishnamurti? How did he ended choosing them? Regards – François , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Inder > > Prof KSK in his 1st reader gave the Ayanamsa as on 1st Jan in DEG and Minutes. So every 6 years the Aynamsa repeated. > > Prof Balachandra has given ayanamsa as on 15 th April in Deg Min Seconds. So the difference iss only numerical. This is about 30 secs. One need not worry as diff is about 30 secs, and > it does not affect the SuB Lords, except in border line cases. SUB- SUB will change. > > good luck > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Raichur, > What is the difference between Ayanmsa given by Prof.KSK and Prof > Bala chandra. > Is there a small numerical difference? > Inder > > , anant raichur > wrote: > > Dear RG > > > > What is this KP 2 ayanamsa ? There are only 2 yanamsas . The Old > KP as given by > > > > Prof KSK in his books, and the New KPA as given by prof > balachandra in KP & Astology > > > > 2003. This has been now loaded to our files section by vin Tin > > > > .Please refer only to these two. > > > > thank you > > R G wrote: > > Dear Shri Udupa > > as desired by you I once again giving below my last mail: > > > > I have prepared horoscope based on KP 2 Ayanamsha. > > > > Birth time appears to be correct since Asc sub sub lord Sun is > connected through its star lord (Mer) to Moon star lord which > happens to be Mer. This is checked for birth time error of 2-3 > minutes. > > > > Asc sub sub lord (SSL) Sun has positional status. Based on its > positional status it is signifying the 5th house where it is > posited. It is also signifying 1st and 5th cusp as their sub lord > (SL). Sun is also connected to 2,4,5,6,9,10,11 & 12th cusps at its > star, sub and sub sub level (Me, Me, Ve) It is strongly connected to > 5th cusp at at positional, star and sub level. > > > > Accident > > > > On 6th april 2005 Moon-Rahu-Mercury-Ven-Ven/Sun Dasha was running. > > > > Moon > > > > Moon is having positional status signifying 5th house (negating > the significations of 6th cusp). Moon is in star of Mer and in Sub > and Sub Sub of Sat. Mer is star and sub lord of 5th cusp (negating > the significations of 6th cusp). Sat is SSL of 8th cusp, indicating > accident. > > > > Rahu > > > > Rahu SL is Ketu, SL and SSL is Jup > > > > Ket is SL of 8th cusp and is in sign of Ven (Rah and Ket give the > results of their sign lords also) Ven is sign lord 3rd and 8th cusp. > Both these cusp are vacant hence Ketu signify both these houses. > > > > Jup is SSL of 6th cusp and star lord of 8th cusp, strongly > indicating accident. > > > > Mercury > > > > Mer is in star of Jup, in Sub of Rahu and in Sub Sub of Sun > > > > Jup has already been discussed above. > > > > Rah is SL of 6th, star lord of 12 and SSL of 11th cusp, signifying > visit to hospital. > > > > Sun is SSL of Asc and 7th cusp, diluting the significations of 8th > cusp. > > > > Ven > > > > Ven at steller level is signifying 6th cups (where it is posited), > 3rd and 12 cusps as the lord of these vacant houses. This > signification is not strong. > > > > Ven is in star of Ven, Sub of Jup and sub sub of Sat. > > > > Ven is SSL of 5th cusp, diluting significations of 6th cusp but > strongly signifying th cusp as 6th starlord. > > > > Jup SL of Ven has already been discussed above. > > > > Sat SSL of Ven is SSL of 8th & 12th cusp strongly signifying > accident and visit to hospital. Sat as SL of 11th cusp diluting the > visit/stay of hospital. > > > > If at the time of accident Pran Dasha was Ven, very strong chances > of accident. If Pran Dasha was Sun (star lord Mer, SL Ven, SSL Rah), > the chances of accident are average with quick recovery since Sun is > Asc and 7th SSL and has positional status signifying 5th cusp > (negating 6th cusp). > > > > Recovery > > > > For recovery, Dasa/Bhukti of planets signifying 5th and 7th cusp > should be operative. 5th cusp star lord and SL is Mer.whose Bhkti is > there from 21.3.2005 to 7.6.2005. This is indicating recovery > process to start immediately after accident. 5th SSL is Ven who is > not likely to help in recovery. > > > > SSL of 7th cusp is Sun who is SSL of Asc also. It is signifying > strong will power of the native to recover. During Bhukti of Sun > (8.10.2005 to 5.11.2005) the native will recover fast. > > > > Mar is star lord and SL of 7th cusp is Mars. During bhukti of Mars > (20.12.2005 to 21.1.2006) the native will recover fully. > > > > Marriage > > > > The native has chances to ger married during Moon-Rah-Mar Dasha > (20.12.95 to 21.1.-2006) > > > > Moon as positional status and signifying as sign lord and is > occupying 5th cusp. Moon is star lord of 11th cusp. Both these > houses are favourable for marriage. Moon is SSL of 3rd, 4th, 9th and > 10th cusp. This position is not very strong for negating the result > of 5th and 11th cusp. Because 3rd and 4th cusp are opposing 9th and > 10th cusp, thus neutralizing the negative effect on 5th and 11th > cusp. > > > > Rahu is in star of Ketu, which is SN of the cusp and 2nd cusp, > reducing the chances of marriage. > > > > Mars has positional status. Mars is positive in 7th cusp as lord > of 9th and 1st cusp. (1sta nd 9th cusp as vacant) Hence, Mars with > positional status is strongly favourable for marriage. Mars is SSL > of 4th cusp diluting the results of 5th cusp. Mars is star loed and > sub loard of 7th cusp again strongly favouring the marriage. > > > > Mars is also sub-lord of 9th cusp. > > > > The above indicates that there are reasonably good chances of > marriage during dasha of Moon – Rahu – Mars. Pooja of Sun is > recommended because Sun is SSL of ascendant ASC and 7th cusp. Sun > may play role in Shookhashm stroke pran dasha. Mars is strong > significator of 7th cusp, hence, pooja of Shri Hanuman Ji has been > recommended. > > > > Thanks > > > > Roopeshwar Gupta > > > > > > AH Udupa wrote: > > Dear RG, > > I have deleted the last mail without knoing the method was > there.Can you kindly forward the same to me if it is still available > with you? I will also try to procure the book you have suggested, > many many thanks. > > regards, > > Udupa > > > > > > R G wrote: > > Procedure is given in my last mail. For birth time rectification > you may refer to book 'Your True Horoscope' by Shri S P Khullar, > published by Sagar publications Delhi. This book is very useful and > the technique given in the book give very good and accurate results. > > Roopeshwar Gupta > > AH Udupa wrote: > > Dear Shi RG > > What is the procedure for birthtime checking? > > Thank you in advance. > > Regards, > > Udupa > > > > > > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote: > > Dear Roopeshwar Gupta, > > > > Thanks a lot for providing so much information. I will suggest the > same to the native. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Upadhyaya > > - > > R G > > > > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:08 PM > > Re: Accident, Marriage ? > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Upadhyaya > > > > I have prepared horoscope based on KP 2 Ayanamsha. > > > > Birth time appears to be correct since Asc sub sub lord Sun is > connected through its star lord (Mer) to Moon star lord which > happens to be Mer. This is checked for birth time error of 2-3 > minutes. > > > > Asc sub sub lord (SSL) Sun has positional status. Based on its > positional status it is signifying the 5th house where it is > posited. It is also signifying 1st and 5th cusp as their sub lord > (SL). Sun is also connected to 2,4,5,6,9,10,11 & 12th cusps at its > star, sub and sub sub level (Me, Me, Ve) It is strongly connected to > 5th cusp at at positional, star and sub level. > > > > Accident > > > > On 6th april 2005 Moon-Rahu-Mercury-Ven-Ven/Sun Dasha was running. > > > > Moon > > > > Moon is having positional status signifying 5th house (negating > the significations of 6th cusp). Moon is in star of Mer and in Sub > and Sub Sub of Sat. Mer is star and sub lord of 5th cusp (negating > the significations of 6th cusp). Sat is SSL of 8th cusp, indicating > accident. > > > > Rahu > > > > Rahu SL is Ketu, SL and SSL is Jup > > > > Ket is SL of 8th cusp and is in sign of Ven (Rah and Ket give the > results of their sign lords also) Ven is sign lord 3rd and 8th cusp. > Both these cusp are vacant hence Ketu signify both these houses. > > > > Jup is SSL of 6th cusp and star lord of 8th cusp, strongly > indicating accident. > > > > Mercury > > > > Mer is in star of Jup, in Sub of Rahu and in Sub Sub of Sun > > > > Jup has already been discussed above. > > > > Rah is SL of 6th, star lord of 12 and SSL of 11th cusp, signifying > visit to hospital. > > > > Sun is SSL of Asc and 7th cusp, diluting the significations of 8th > cusp. > > > > Ven > > > > Ven at steller level is signifying 6th cups (where it is posited), > 3rd and 12 cusps as the lord of these vacant houses. This > signification is not strong. > > > > Ven is in star of Ven, Sub of Jup and sub sub of Sat. > > > > Ven is SSL of 5th cusp, diluting significations of 6th cusp but > strongly signifying th cusp as 6th starlord. > > > > Jup SL of Ven has already been discussed above. > > > > Sat SSL of Ven is SSL of 8th & 12th cusp strongly signifying > accident and visit to hospital. Sat as SL of 11th cusp diluting the > visit/stay of hospital. > > > > If at the time of accident Pran Dasha was Ven, very strong chances > of accident. If Pran Dasha was Sun (star lord Mer, SL Ven, SSL Rah), > the chances of accident are average with quick recovery since Sun is > Asc and 7th SSL and has positional status signifying 5th cusp > (negating 6th cusp). > > > > Recovery > > > > For recovery, Dasa/Bhukti of planets signifying 5th and 7th cusp > should be operative. 5th cusp star lord and SL is Mer.whose Bhkti is > there from 21.3.2005 to 7.6.2005. This is indicating recovery > process to start immediately after accident. 5th SSL is Ven who is > not likely to help in recovery. > > > > SSL of 7th cusp is Sun who is SSL of Asc also. It is signifying > strong will power of the native to recover. During Bhukti of Sun > (8.10.2005 to 5.11.2005) the native will recover fast. > > > > Mar is star lord and SL of 7th cusp is Mars. During bhukti of Mars > (20.12.2005 to 21.1.2006) the native will recover fully. > > > > Marriage > > > > The native has chances to ger married during Moon-Rah-Mar Dasha > (20.12.95 to 21.1.-2006) > > > > Moon as positional status and signifying as sign lord and is > occupying 5th cusp. Moon is star lord of 11th cusp. Both these > houses are favourable for marriage. Moon is SSL of 3rd, 4th, 9th and > 10th cusp. This position is not very strong for negating the result > of 5th and 11th cusp. Because 3rd and 4th cusp are opposing 9th and > 10th cusp, thus neutralizing the negative effect on 5th and 11th > cusp. > > > > Rahu is in star of Ketu, which is SN of the cusp and 2nd cusp, > reducing the chances of marriage. > > > > Mars has positional status. Mars is positive in 7th cusp as lord > of 9th and 1st cusp. (1sta nd 9th cusp as vacant) Hence, Mars with > positional status is strongly favourable for marriage. Mars is SSL > of 4th cusp diluting the results of 5th cusp. Mars is star loed and > sub loard of 7th cusp again strongly favouring the marriage. > > > > Mars is also sub-lord of 9th cusp. > > > > The above indicates that there are reasonably good chances of > marriage during dasha of Moon – Rahu – Mars. Pooja of Sun is > recommended because Sun is SSL of ascendant ASC and 7th cusp. Sun > may play role in Shookhashm stroke pran dasha. Mars is strong > significator of 7th cusp, hence, pooja of Shri Hanuman Ji has been > recommended. > > > > Roopeshwar Gupta > > > > > > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote: Dear RG, > > > > Thank you for your inputs. > > > > For better understanding of your comments, what is the > > reason behind worshipping Surya and Shree Hanuman Jee. > > > > Regards and Thanks > > Upadhyaya > > > > --- R G wrote: > > > > > Hello > > > She will recover by 1st week of Nov. 2005 > > > She has weak chances of getting married. She should > > > worship Surya and Shree Hanuman Jee.. This will help > > > her in getting married. The possibility of getting > > > married between Dec 2005 and Jan 2006 in not rules > > > out. > > > RG > > > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I am posting the chart of a woman/girl who met with > > > an > > > accident on > > > 6-Apr-2005. One of her leg got cut. She had > > > undergone > > > surgery and on bed > > > rest for next 3 months. She has sufferred with minor > > > accidents since 2003. > > > > > > This girl is still unmarried. > > > > > > DOB: 6-8-1967 > > > TOB: 22:30 > > > Lat: 12N52 > > > Lon: 74E53 > > > > > > 1) Will she get married? > > > 2) When will she recover? > > > > > > > > > Please provide your feedbakc, inputs, comments. > > > > > > Analysis > > > 1) Marriage > > > 7csl, Ma signifying 2 & 7 => the native is destined > > > to > > > get married. > > > Further analysis I will post tomorrow (as I am not > > > feeling well). > > > > > > 2) Accident > > > > > > 8csl, Ke S(7, 3,8, 2, 9). As Ke signify both 8 and > > > marakastana => native > > > will meet wit accidents. 3H => short journeys? > > > > > > The DBA at the time of accident is Mo-Rh-Me. > > > > > > Mo in the star of badhaka and sub of the occupant > > > and > > > lord of 12 => danger > > > to life. Association of 6 lord is also there. Ju > > > grace > > > should have helped > > > the native. > > > > > > Dasa lord is in the sub of lord of 11 => recovery is > > > promised. > > > > > > Bukthi lord Rh is being aspected by Ma, a malefic. > > > Both these planets are > > > danger to life. Ma is also a maraka. > > > Rh is in the star of Ke, occupant of 7 but Ke > > > represents Ve, 8 lord. So > > > danger to life. > > > > > > Antara lord, Me, is badhaka and is in the sub of Rh > > > (S(1, 2, 7, 9,)). > > > > > > Recovey will happen during the periods ruled by > > > significators of 5, 11. > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -------- > > > 5 Bud-Bud Cha Sur > > > Cha > > > Gur > > > > > > Bud > > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -------- > > > 11 Cha-San San > > > > > -------------------------------- -- > -------- > > > > > > Me, Ju, Mo, Su, Sa > > > > > > The native would get fully recovered during the > > > Mo-Ju. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Upadhyaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Dear TW, Many thanks for information.I was looking for this. Thanks. Inder , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > POSTINGS IN OUR GROUP REGARDING OLD & NEW KP AYANMASA > > > (Msg#4477 of KP Group) > > > anant raichur <anant_1608@> > Fri May 6, 2005 1:49 am > Re: Ayanamsha > > Dear Vijay Kumar > > The original KP Ayanamsa was as given in KP Reader 1 (1957 editionm) > It was given as on > > 1st Jan of the Year . 1840 to 2000 was covered. It was in Deg. and > Minutes only. This was > > assummed to be valiod for the whole year. Based on this and a lot > of study, in getting the > > Best fit for these figures, (except a few years, where prima facie a > printing error was there) , I had formulated my SW formula. > > The latest corrected KPA by Prof Balachandra was published in KP > Annual 2003. I have > > now adapted that for my SW. He gave the formula for April 15. In my > SW I have convertred > > that ias of 1st Jan. My SW now gives the ayan calculated to the day. > > The St. Line formula which Mr Subramaniam of SUB SPEAKS fame > adopted, and refused to > > listen to arguments against it, was (year-291)*50.2388471 > secs........(the annual change as given in Book !). This formula was > later on claimed by another Dr. V..... and named by him as > > KPV ayanamsa. > > The New KPA as used by me is PY=YEAR-1900 > AYAN in deg on 1st JAN IS = 22+(1335+PYx50.2388475)/3600 + > PYxPYx.000111/3600 > > > > > Vijay Kumar <v_kumar@c...> wrote: > Dear Sh. Raichur, > > Sometimes before, there was a long discussion going on Ayanamsha in > KP forum, and > precisely on KP ayanamsha. I did not get many threads of the > discussions due > to my own limitation of not much conversant with astronomical > fundamentals. > > I request you to kindly give me the mathematical formula of > calculating the > ayanamsha so that I may calculate the following variations of it > manually : > > 01. KP ayansmsha > 02. KP ayanamsha - New > 03. KP straight-line ayanamsha (adjusted) > > Sir, I would be very grateful to you for this help. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Vijay Kumar > > - -- > ------ > > (Msg#1530) > > " tw853 " <tw853> > Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:55 am > IN DEFENCE OF KP AYANAMSA by PROF. K. BALACHANDRAN > > > IN DEFENCE OF KP AYANAMSA Based on M.G.G. Nair's article – May 1980 > in A & A, by PROF. K. BALACHANDRAN (K.P. & ASTROLOGY 2003, P. 88-91) > > 1. According to Shri Lahiri's Tables of the Sun based on Prof. > New Combs accurate values, the longtitude of the Sayana mean Sun > would be exactly 360* or 0' (Aries) at 8:21 IST on the 23rd March of > 291 A.D. That is to say, the mean vernal equinox of 291 A.D. occurred > at that epoch which w as the the Epoch of coincidence of the tropical > and sidereal Zodiacs orthe Zero Epoch of Zero Ayanamsa. > > 2. According to Shri Lahiri, there is a positive ayanamsa of > 4'59''.31 at our zero Ayanamsa epoch (viz. 4h:41m:18s on the 23 rd > March 291 A.D.) > > 3. Formula to calculate Ayanamsa for 5:30 AM IST of April 15 of > every year > > = 22* + (1350 + <t-1900>*50.2388475)/3600 > + (<t-1900>*<t-1900>*0.000111)/3600 > > where t = (birth) year > > (The similar formula to the one of adjusted Equation (6) in Msg#1481. > The difference is 1350 for April 15 here and 1335 for 1st January > there.) > > 4. Examples I: Ayanamsa for 1920: 22*39'15'', II for 1950: > 23*4'22'', III for 1980: 23*29'30'', IV for 2049: 24*27'18''. > > > > Note: In easier form, > > KPA = 22.375 +d (50.2388475 + 0.000111d)/ 3600 > > where d = birth year – 1900 > > (Similar to Equation (7) in Msg#1481, the difference is here 22.375 > for April 15 and 22.3708 for 1st January there) > > For 1900, KPA = 22.375 = 22*22'30'' > > > Fine tuning for 1st January 1900, > > Number day of the year to April 15 = 105 > Adjustment (105/365)* (50.2388475 + 0.000111*20) > = 14.45sec > KPA for 1st January 1990 = 22*22'30'' – 14.45sec > = 22*22'15.55sec = 22*22'16'' > > OR for easier way, KPA for 1991 – KPA for 1991 (from table) > > =22-23-21 minus 22-22-30 = 51 sec > > Adjustment = 51*(105/365) = 14.67sec = 15sec > > KPA for 1 st January 1990 = 22*22'30'' – 15sec = 22*22'15sec > > (Only 1sec difference due to rounding; 360 may be taken in place of > 365) > > For 1920, KPA = 22.375 + 20 (50.2388475 + 0.000111*20)/3600 > = 22.375 + 0.2791 = 22.6541 = 22*39'15'' > > KPA for 1st January 1920 > > = 22*39'15''- 50*(105/365) =22*39'15''- 14sec= 22*39'1'' > - > > EDITOR SKEAKS, K. SUBRAMANIAM (K.P. & ASTRLOGY 2003) > > 1. Regarding the vexed question of " Ayanamsa " our Guruji Shri > K.S.K. says that those who follows this K.P. System are advised to > take the ayanamsa which he has given in his books which is the only > correct ayanamsa for predictive purpose. He also advised to give the > Ayanamsa correction only from the year beyond 2001, for each year, we > have to add at the rate of 50.2388475 sec/year. > > 2. So, I advise all my readers & followers of this K.P. System > to follow only our Guruji's Ayanamsa and there will not be any second > opinion regarding this subject of ie. " K.P. Ayanamsa " . > > > 3. Those who want to write artcles based on other than the K.P. > Ayanamsa advised by our Guruji K.S.K. will not be published hereafter > in this magazine. I request the co-operation of all the K.P. > followers as regards in this matter. > > 4. In this issue we are publishing an accurate Tables of > Ayanamsa for the years 1900-2052 AD on New Comb's precision for the > benefit of readers and K.P. follwoers. These values are as on 15th > April every year. (Table added to file) > > 5. We, the committee members hereby declare that the values of > ayanamsa found in the tables published in this issue is the final > table and also these tables supersedes all the previous Tables of > ayanamsa published in K. P. Reader I & all ephemeris (Krishman & C.) > K.P.T.O.H. & H.T.O.H. etc. > > > - -- > ---- > Msg#1516 > > anant raichur <anant_1608@> > Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:58 am > Re: Re: Which is the best software program for > KP - KPBC1 & A TEST > > THE So called NEW kp ayanamsa is not new, in the sense the Basic > Year of Coincidence of the Two Systems (Sayan and Nirayan) coincided > on 21st March 291 ( Not 285 as given by Laheri). The rate of > precicion was 50.23... as per Newcomb. > > What was not stated the exact formula to derive the Ayanamsa for > each year. The figures for 1840 to 2000 were given to the nearest > minute. It was also stated that this shd be taken as constant thru > out the year. > > When accurate computers were not easily availble, and even Table of > Houses were not > giving results upto minutes for houses otherr than ASC. The whole > system was in > consonance with the standards of accuracy possibel then. > > To day with computers easily availble, astrologers calculate the > Planetary positions which are given to the nearest seconds. The > Ayanamsa has also to be correct to seconds, otherwise if one uses an > ayanmsa correct only to Nearest Minute, the resulting Nirayana > positions will only be correct to the minute, through expressed in > Seconds. > > Prof Balchandra,considered this, and with changing the Basics of > KSK, i.e. year 291 AD and the Newcombs rate of precission , and also > allowing for a fact that the rate of precision, changes > significantly for a span of 100 years, caame out with a formuale for > the KP Aynamsa. This again is now rounded to 30 seconds. > > Except in BORDERLINE cases, all Lords including the SUB-LORD remain > the same. > > It is ultimately the Lords we consider for prediction, and not the > exact deg. or min of the House cusps. > > good lukc > > > Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000> wrote: > Well, I am catching up the new KP AY,. But what I like to share is > this. 25 years back or earlier, when I started learning KP astrology > I had predicted when a friend would come, when the failed > electrictiy will come , when the booked trunk call will come. All of > them came out correctly. So that Ayanamsa must be good. > Yes you need a clinching test. Best is to look for incidents like > hospitalisation, where 12th must operate and if one comes across > conflicting evidence then one can follow through. > Seshadri > > > - -- > ----- > Msg#1491 > > " tw853 " <tw853> > Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:19 am > Re: WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA FORMULAR? > > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > Firstly, my sincere apology for not verifing the formula given by > you. > > (1) I don't mean something not correct. Of course, if not correct, > right comparable results can not be get. > (2)It was pasted directly from Msg# 1163 of our KP Group. > (3)Not mentioned about the formular in your Msg #1285 which gives > very helpful information. > (4)Would be grateful if Msg number for your sent copy is > mentined for further study. > (5)This is a very basic common astrological equation like 1+2 =3. > (6)In the original Maheshri's equation also a typing error of " minus " > sign in place of " plus " sign between 22.3666d and Tx (50.25.....), > and the correct one is represented. Do I need to very? > > Secondly, I really thank you very much for explaining that Lahiri > Ayanamsa is used in the UTOF. > > On the basis of Lahiri Ayanamsa for the year 1900 --- 22d-27m-55s, > annual precession rate of 48sec for that year, fine tuning for 91 > days up to 1-4-1900 to be comparable with Sri K. Hariharan's 22d- 28m- > 10.1535s figure, a simple interpolation gives 22d-28m-07s which is > very close to SKH's figure. > > Thirdly, as noted in my presentation, the NEWCOMB figure recommended > by Guruji KSK is used in the NKPA formula. > > Fourthly, that is why I'm wodering --- WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA > FORMULAR? > > Once again my sincere apology and thanks. > > With my respect and wishes, > > tw > > - -- > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608@> (Msg#1487) > Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:04 am > Re: WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA FORMULAR? > anant_1608 > > > The formula given by me, is not correctly reproduced. > > It should be as verified from my sent copy > > > PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR > AYAN=22+(1335+PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 where > where X4 is calender Year. > > While the controversy of the Correct Ayanamsa was going on, in the > UTOH, the aynamsa adopted was really laheri's, though not so stated. > Hence that 6ms diff. > > Regarding rate of change, KP followers have adopted the NEWCOMB > figure, and not of the Modern astronomers. > > > - -- > ------ > Msg#1481 > > " tw853 " > <tw853> > Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:12 am > WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA FORMULAR? > > > Dear All, > > > 1. There are three points to note in Original KPA (OKPA): > > (1) Year of coincidence of both Sayana and Nirayana zodiacs --- > 291; > (2) Annual precession rate ---- 50.2388475 as given by NEWCOMB; > (3) Table of OKPA for 1840-2000, and later added up to 2040. > > > 2. Sri K. Hariharan mentioned and used in his 1993 " Notable > Persons & KP " , p 75, 138 & 153: > > (1) Ayanamsa for 1-4-1900 is 22d28m10.1535s as per the Univerasl > Tables of Houses; > (2) As per modern astronomy the rate of precession (in the UTOH) > for the year 1900 is 50.2564sec; > (3) The rate of precession itself is increasing at the rate of > 0.000222sec per year > (4) KPA = 80890.1535s + 50.2564 n + 0.000111 n*n Equation (1) > > In easier form, > > 80890.1535s + n (50.2564 + 0.000111 n) Equation (2) > > where 80890.1535s is for 22d28m10.1535s > n = birth year - 1900 > > Note: > (1) 22-28-10 for is much higher than 22-22 in table of OKPA; ---- > Could someone check with UTOH and explain why so high ?? > (2) two kinds of yearly increase rate in annual precession rate: > 0.000111 & 0.000222 > (3) not calculated in comparison due to a significant difference. > > 3. Dr. Jagdish Maheshri gives the following formula in his > 1997 " It's All in Timing " , p 31: > > Correction Factor = 22.3666d + Tx (50.2564 + 0.0222 x T) /36 > Equation (3) > > where T= (birth year – 1900)/100 > > It can be changed to the following easier form: > > MKPA = 22.3666 + d (50.2564 + 0.000222d)/ 3600 > Equation (4) > > where MKPA = Maheshri KPA > d = birth year – 1900 > 3600 is for conversion from second to degree > > Note: > > (1) This MKPA is very closed to OKPA with sec potion and 22.3666m is > equal to 22d22m for 1900 as given in the table of OKPA. > > (2) MKPA for 291 + -0.2549, nearly zero > > > 4. A very SIMPLE formula can be used a > s follows: > > > SKPA = D 50.055sec Equation (5) > > where SKPA = Simple KPA > D = birth yaer – 291 > > 5. Mr. Anant Raichur on New KP Aynamsa : > The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the > Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can > be calculated from the following formula; > > This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: > > PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR > AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 Equation (6) > > This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly > 4 seconds per month > > It should be PY*50.2388475, not PY*PY*50.2388475. In easier form, > > NKPA = 22.3708 + d (50.2388475 + 0.000111 d)/3600 Equation (7) > > where NKPA = New KPA > D = birth year – 1900 > > CACULATED KPAs (D-M-S) APPLYING ABOVE EQUATIONS > > Year OKPA MKPA SKPA NKPA > 1840 21-31 21-31-43 21-32-15 21-32-09 > 1900 22-22 22-22 22-22-18 22-2-15 > 1940 22-55 22-55-30 22-55-41 22-55-44 > 2000 23-46 23-45-48 33-45-44 23-45-58 > 2040 24-19 24-19-20 24-19-06 24-19-30 > AVR 50.4 50.285 50.26 50.205 > > AVR = Average Yearly increase Rate over 200 years > > NKPA HIGHER THAN OTHER KPAs (M-S) > > Year OKPA MKPA SKPA > 1840 1-09 0-26 -0-06 > 1900 0-15 0-15 -0-03 > 1940 0-44 0-14 0-03 > 2000 -0-02 0-10 0-14 > 2040 0-30 0-10 0-24 > > > Note: (1) NKPA is 0-0-12 (almost zero) for the base year 291 as > taken by KSK. > (2) 50.2388475 is NEWCOMB annual precession rate as mentioned > by KSK; > (3) 0.000111 yearly increase rate in annual precession rate is > used by Sri K. > Hariharan and also in calculation of Lahiri Ayanamsa, not a new one. > (4) Of course, average annual precession rate is the same as > mentioned. But not much differences between NKPA and other KPAs, > particularly MKPA, 10s to 26s only. How close for the year 2000. > (5) Fine tuning up to DOB is also just nterpolation. > > > WHAT IS NEW IN NEW KPA? > > > Best regards, > > tw > > > P.S. " In Comparing Ayanamsa: The case of Rabindranath Tagore " , > Pandit Sanjay Rath concludes that " it is obvious from the above > discussion that the Lahiri Ayanamsa is the closest to the truth, but > at places this seemed to be a bit weak. The real Ayanamsa should be > between the Lahiri and Raman Ayanamsa. " > > May be KPA ? which is not included in his study. > > > Msg#1285 > > > anant raichur anant_1608@ > Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:26 am > RE: Question on KP Ayanamsa > > There has been lot of correspondeence on the KP Ayanamsa. Originally > Prof K.S.K gave the ayanamsa as on 1st Jan from 1840 to 2000 in the > K.P. 1st Reader. This Aynamsa was used thruout the year. The Table > of Houses used were Raphels. The ephemeris was also Raphel. > > Later on Krishnmurthy Table of Houses, Universal Table of Houses > were prepared when Computers became avilble in India. Then Nirayan > Ephemeris were published, but using the one Value of Ayanamsa given > BY KPK. > > I made a detailed study on this and evolved a formule, by which I > was able to shown that the KP Ayanamsa, and the Ayanams derived by > my formula,when rounded to minutes wwere tallying, except for > certain Years... An error which could be visually detected by mere > inspection. > > But the Sons of KP, and certain KP astrologers, (who literally > interprted two sentences by KPK) would not change . In fact the > discussion in the then KP Magazine was abruptly stopped by the > editor. > > Then recently I beleve, in 2002-2003. Prof Bhalachandra made deep > study, and the amended KPAYAMSA was published in the Year Book 2003. > > I checked it up and that tallies with my findings. So, in my > programmes I am following that. > > Even though the KYAYANSA has now been modified, the difference in > the Results is within 30 seconds. This small diiferece of 30 > seconds, does NOT Chnage the Lords of the Planets or houses, except > in borderline cases. Since the preditions are based on the Lors of > Houses, KSK's preditions were correct, because the Lords remained > same. > > IN FACT THE ASTROLOGICAL TIMES, a Monthly Magazine from NEW DELHI, > use the > Laheri Ayanamsa and calcultes the Sign, Star, and Sub lords. > > I have checked this with the correct KP and find that allmost all > the lords are the same. > > It is only when we come to sub-subs that differences crop up. The > other is the Dasa Starts, as Moon.s postion is affected. So one can > always check up the incidents in life, and correct the Ayanas, if he > feels it more appropriate. > > good luck > > > Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote: > Dear Kanak, > > Thank you for your response. > > I couldn't decipher the formula. Could you kindly explain in > greater detail? Also, what is the background to this new KP > ayanamsa? Who has derived this and on what authority? If the old > KP ayanamsa was wrong then how was Mr Krishnamurthi able to make > such astounding predictions based on his old ayanamsa? > > Thanks for your time. > > Vidyadhar > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: vvidya@o... > > - -- > -------------------- > > Msg#1263 > > > > " Kanakkumar Bosmia " <kanbosastro@> > Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:24 am > RE: Question on KP Ayanamsa > > > Dear Friend, > > Mr.Raichur on New KP Aynamsa : > > The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the > Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, > can be calculated from the following formula; > This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: > PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR > AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 > This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add > roughly 4 seconds per month > regards > > kanak bosmia > > > > > " Vaidun Vidyadhar " <vvidya@o...> > > > > > > Question on KP Ayanamsa > >Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000 > > > >Dear List Members, > > > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. > Now, > >coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP > ayanamsas, > >the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the > two? > > > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > > > >Vaidun Vidyadhar > >1 / 94 Marius Street > >Tamworth, NSW 2340 > >Australia > >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > >Mobile: 0414 870 083 > >Email: vvidya@o... > > > - -- > > Msg#540 > > " kanbosastro " <kanbosastro@> > Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:26 am > about aynamsa > > > dear friends, > > i want to say about KP aynamsa > > Mr. Krishanamurty wrote in his book " TRANSIT (GOCHARAPALA > NIRNAYAM) " (READER NO:5) > PAGE NO: XXX PERA NO 2, LINE 4 " ...........ONE WILL FIND THAT > NEWCOMB IS CORRECT.I FOLLOW NEWCOMB. ............. " > > In K.P. & ASTROLOGY-2003 Page no: 89 artical of mr. > Prof.K.Balachandran give calculation for aynamsa as per prof.new > comb . > > i think aynamsa givan in K.P. & ASTROLOGY-2003 is correct.50 sec. per > year is not correct but 50.2388475 is correct and date not 1 jan.but > 15 April is correct. > > kanak bosmia > > > - -- > ----------------------------- > > (Msg#422) > > Msg#422 > > > Punit Pandey <pandeypunit@> > Mon May 3, 2004 4:30 am > Re: Re: Ayanamsha > > > Dear François ji, > > Sri KSK was very experimental astrologer. As far as I know, he came > up with this ayanamsa based on his experiments with astrology only. > Nowadays there are some controversies going on with KP ayanamsa. The > method he has suggested in his books and the ready-made ayanamsas > given for different years do not match. So nowadays there are two > different ayansmsas one is called KP Old and other is KP New. It is > a question of great debate which one is correct. > > > > KP and Lahiri ayanamsas are very close. So most of the times it does > not make much difference which ayanamsa you choose. > > > > Hope I'll be able to confuse you a little more J > > > Regards, > > > Punit Pandey > > > Francois Carriere <francois.carriere@l...> wrote: > , " Francois Carriere " > <francois.carriere@l...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > This question of the ayanamsha seems to be crucial in hindu > astrology. More important, is the question of knowing how to choose > and uses the right ayanamsha and precession rate. What are the > criteria needed for the good choice? What were those of K S > Krishnamurti? How did he ended choosing them? > > Regards – François , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > Dear Inder > > > > Prof KSK in his 1st reader gave the Ayanamsa as on 1st Jan in DEG > and Minutes. So every 6 years the Aynamsa repeated. > > > > Prof Balachandra has given ayanamsa as on 15 th April in Deg Min > Seconds. So the difference iss only numerical. This is about 30 > secs. One need not worry as diff is about 30 secs, and > > it does not affect the SuB Lords, except in border line cases. SUB- > SUB will change. > > > > good luck > > > > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Raichur, > > What is the difference between Ayanmsa given by Prof.KSK and Prof > > Bala chandra. > > Is there a small numerical difference? > > Inder > > > > , anant raichur > > wrote: > > > Dear RG > > > > > > What is this KP 2 ayanamsa ? There are only 2 yanamsas . The Old > > KP as given by > > > > > > Prof KSK in his books, and the New KPA as given by prof > > balachandra in KP & Astology > > > > > > 2003. This has been now loaded to our files section by vin Tin > > > > > > .Please refer only to these two. > > > > > > thank you > > > R G wrote: > > > Dear Shri Udupa > > > as desired by you I once again giving below my last mail: > > > > > > I have prepared horoscope based on KP 2 Ayanamsha. > > > > > > Birth time appears to be correct since Asc sub sub lord Sun is > > connected through its star lord (Mer) to Moon star lord which > > happens to be Mer. This is checked for birth time error of 2-3 > > minutes. > > > > > > Asc sub sub lord (SSL) Sun has positional status. Based on its > > positional status it is signifying the 5th house where it is > > posited. It is also signifying 1st and 5th cusp as their sub lord > > (SL). Sun is also connected to 2,4,5,6,9,10,11 & 12th cusps at its > > star, sub and sub sub level (Me, Me, Ve) It is strongly connected > to > > 5th cusp at at positional, star and sub level. > > > > > > Accident > > > > > > On 6th april 2005 Moon-Rahu-Mercury-Ven-Ven/Sun Dasha was > running. > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > Moon is having positional status signifying 5th house (negating > > the significations of 6th cusp). Moon is in star of Mer and in Sub > > and Sub Sub of Sat. Mer is star and sub lord of 5th cusp (negating > > the significations of 6th cusp). Sat is SSL of 8th cusp, > indicating > > accident. > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > Rahu SL is Ketu, SL and SSL is Jup > > > > > > Ket is SL of 8th cusp and is in sign of Ven (Rah and Ket give > the > > results of their sign lords also) Ven is sign lord 3rd and 8th > cusp. > > Both these cusp are vacant hence Ketu signify both these houses. > > > > > > Jup is SSL of 6th cusp and star lord of 8th cusp, strongly > > indicating accident. > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > Mer is in star of Jup, in Sub of Rahu and in Sub Sub of Sun > > > > > > Jup has already been discussed above. > > > > > > Rah is SL of 6th, star lord of 12 and SSL of 11th cusp, > signifying > > visit to hospital. > > > > > > Sun is SSL of Asc and 7th cusp, diluting the significations of > 8th > > cusp. > > > > > > Ven > > > > > > Ven at steller level is signifying 6th cups (where it is > posited), > > 3rd and 12 cusps as the lord of these vacant houses. This > > signification is not strong. > > > > > > Ven is in star of Ven, Sub of Jup and sub sub of Sat. > > > > > > Ven is SSL of 5th cusp, diluting significations of 6th cusp but > > strongly signifying th cusp as 6th starlord. > > > > > > Jup SL of Ven has already been discussed above. > > > > > > Sat SSL of Ven is SSL of 8th & 12th cusp strongly signifying > > accident and visit to hospital. Sat as SL of 11th cusp diluting > the > > visit/stay of hospital. > > > > > > If at the time of accident Pran Dasha was Ven, very strong > chances > > of accident. If Pran Dasha was Sun (star lord Mer, SL Ven, SSL > Rah), > > the chances of accident are average with quick recovery since Sun > is > > Asc and 7th SSL and has positional status signifying 5th cusp > > (negating 6th cusp). > > > > > > Recovery > > > > > > For recovery, Dasa/Bhukti of planets signifying 5th and 7th cusp > > should be operative. 5th cusp star lord and SL is Mer.whose Bhkti > is > > there from 21.3.2005 to 7.6.2005. This is indicating recovery > > process to start immediately after accident. 5th SSL is Ven who is > > not likely to help in recovery. > > > > > > SSL of 7th cusp is Sun who is SSL of Asc also. It is signifying > > strong will power of the native to recover. During Bhukti of Sun > > (8.10.2005 to 5.11.2005) the native will recover fast. > > > > > > Mar is star lord and SL of 7th cusp is Mars. During bhukti of > Mars > > (20.12.2005 to 21.1.2006) the native will recover fully. > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > The native has chances to ger married during Moon-Rah-Mar Dasha > > (20.12.95 to 21.1.-2006) > > > > > > Moon as positional status and signifying as sign lord and is > > occupying 5th cusp. Moon is star lord of 11th cusp. Both these > > houses are favourable for marriage. Moon is SSL of 3rd, 4th, 9th > and > > 10th cusp. This position is not very strong for negating the > result > > of 5th and 11th cusp. Because 3rd and 4th cusp are opposing 9th > and > > 10th cusp, thus neutralizing the negative effect on 5th and 11th > > cusp. > > > > > > Rahu is in star of Ketu, which is SN of the cusp and 2nd cusp, > > reducing the chances of marriage. > > > > > > Mars has positional status. Mars is positive in 7th cusp as lord > > of 9th and 1st cusp. (1sta nd 9th cusp as vacant) Hence, Mars with > > positional status is strongly favourable for marriage. Mars is SSL > > of 4th cusp diluting the results of 5th cusp. Mars is star loed > and > > sub loard of 7th cusp again strongly favouring the marriage. > > > > > > Mars is also sub-lord of 9th cusp. > > > > > > The above indicates that there are reasonably good chances of > > marriage during dasha of Moon – Rahu – Mars. Pooja of Sun is > > recommended because Sun is SSL of ascendant ASC and 7th cusp. Sun > > may play role in Shookhashm stroke pran dasha. Mars is strong > > significator of 7th cusp, hence, pooja of Shri Hanuman Ji has been > > recommended. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Roopeshwar Gupta > > > > > > > > > AH Udupa wrote: > > > Dear RG, > > > I have deleted the last mail without knoing the method was > > there.Can you kindly forward the same to me if it is still > available > > with you? I will also try to procure the book you have suggested, > > many many thanks. > > > regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > R G wrote: > > > Procedure is given in my last mail. For birth time rectification > > you may refer to book 'Your True Horoscope' by Shri S P Khullar, > > published by Sagar publications Delhi. This book is very useful > and > > the technique given in the book give very good and accurate > results. > > > Roopeshwar Gupta > > > AH Udupa wrote: > > > Dear Shi RG > > > What is the procedure for birthtime checking? > > > Thank you in advance. > > > Regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote: > > > Dear Roopeshwar Gupta, > > > > > > Thanks a lot for providing so much information. I will suggest > the > > same to the native. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Upadhyaya > > > - > > > R G > > > > > > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:08 PM > > > Re: Accident, Marriage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Upadhyaya > > > > > > I have prepared horoscope based on KP 2 Ayanamsha. > > > > > > Birth time appears to be correct since Asc sub sub lord Sun is > > connected through its star lord (Mer) to Moon star lord which > > happens to be Mer. This is checked for birth time error of 2-3 > > minutes. > > > > > > Asc sub sub lord (SSL) Sun has positional status. Based on its > > positional status it is signifying the 5th house where it is > > posited. It is also signifying 1st and 5th cusp as their sub lord > > (SL). Sun is also connected to 2,4,5,6,9,10,11 & 12th cusps at its > > star, sub and sub sub level (Me, Me, Ve) It is strongly connected > to > > 5th cusp at at positional, star and sub level. > > > > > > Accident > > > > > > On 6th april 2005 Moon-Rahu-Mercury-Ven-Ven/Sun Dasha was > running. > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > Moon is having positional status signifying 5th house (negating > > the significations of 6th cusp). Moon is in star of Mer and in Sub > > and Sub Sub of Sat. Mer is star and sub lord of 5th cusp (negating > > the significations of 6th cusp). Sat is SSL of 8th cusp, > indicating > > accident. > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > Rahu SL is Ketu, SL and SSL is Jup > > > > > > Ket is SL of 8th cusp and is in sign of Ven (Rah and Ket give > the > > results of their sign lords also) Ven is sign lord 3rd and 8th > cusp. > > Both these cusp are vacant hence Ketu signify both these houses. > > > > > > Jup is SSL of 6th cusp and star lord of 8th cusp, strongly > > indicating accident. > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > Mer is in star of Jup, in Sub of Rahu and in Sub Sub of Sun > > > > > > Jup has already been discussed above. > > > > > > Rah is SL of 6th, star lord of 12 and SSL of 11th cusp, > signifying > > visit to hospital. > > > > > > Sun is SSL of Asc and 7th cusp, diluting the significations of > 8th > > cusp. > > > > > > Ven > > > > > > Ven at steller level is signifying 6th cups (where it is > posited), > > 3rd and 12 cusps as the lord of these vacant houses. This > > signification is not strong. > > > > > > Ven is in star of Ven, Sub of Jup and sub sub of Sat. > > > > > > Ven is SSL of 5th cusp, diluting significations of 6th cusp but > > strongly signifying th cusp as 6th starlord. > > > > > > Jup SL of Ven has already been discussed above. > > > > > > Sat SSL of Ven is SSL of 8th & 12th cusp strongly signifying > > accident and visit to hospital. Sat as SL of 11th cusp diluting > the > > visit/stay of hospital. > > > > > > If at the time of accident Pran Dasha was Ven, very strong > chances > > of accident. If Pran Dasha was Sun (star lord Mer, SL Ven, SSL > Rah), > > the chances of accident are average with quick recovery since Sun > is > > Asc and 7th SSL and has positional status signifying 5th cusp > > (negating 6th cusp). > > > > > > Recovery > > > > > > For recovery, Dasa/Bhukti of planets signifying 5th and 7th cusp > > should be operative. 5th cusp star lord and SL is Mer.whose Bhkti > is > > there from 21.3.2005 to 7.6.2005. This is indicating recovery > > process to start immediately after accident. 5th SSL is Ven who is > > not likely to help in recovery. > > > > > > SSL of 7th cusp is Sun who is SSL of Asc also. It is signifying > > strong will power of the native to recover. During Bhukti of Sun > > (8.10.2005 to 5.11.2005) the native will recover fast. > > > > > > Mar is star lord and SL of 7th cusp is Mars. During bhukti of > Mars > > (20.12.2005 to 21.1.2006) the native will recover fully. > > > > > > Marriage > > > > > > The native has chances to ger married during Moon-Rah-Mar Dasha > > (20.12.95 to 21.1.-2006) > > > > > > Moon as positional status and signifying as sign lord and is > > occupying 5th cusp. Moon is star lord of 11th cusp. Both these > > houses are favourable for marriage. Moon is SSL of 3rd, 4th, 9th > and > > 10th cusp. This position is not very strong for negating the > result > > of 5th and 11th cusp. Because 3rd and 4th cusp are opposing 9th > and > > 10th cusp, thus neutralizing the negative effect on 5th and 11th > > cusp. > > > > > > Rahu is in star of Ketu, which is SN of the cusp and 2nd cusp, > > reducing the chances of marriage. > > > > > > Mars has positional status. Mars is positive in 7th cusp as lord > > of 9th and 1st cusp. (1sta nd 9th cusp as vacant) Hence, Mars with > > positional status is strongly favourable for marriage. Mars is SSL > > of 4th cusp diluting the results of 5th cusp. Mars is star loed > and > > sub loard of 7th cusp again strongly favouring the marriage. > > > > > > Mars is also sub-lord of 9th cusp. > > > > > > The above indicates that there are reasonably good chances of > > marriage during dasha of Moon – Rahu – Mars. Pooja of Sun is > > recommended because Sun is SSL of ascendant ASC and 7th cusp. Sun > > may play role in Shookhashm stroke pran dasha. Mars is strong > > significator of 7th cusp, hence, pooja of Shri Hanuman Ji has been > > recommended. > > > > > > Roopeshwar Gupta > > > > > > > > > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote: Dear RG, > > > > > > Thank you for your inputs. > > > > > > For better understanding of your comments, what is the > > > reason behind worshipping Surya and Shree Hanuman Jee. > > > > > > Regards and Thanks > > > Upadhyaya > > > > > > --- R G wrote: > > > > > > > Hello > > > > She will recover by 1st week of Nov. 2005 > > > > She has weak chances of getting married. She should > > > > worship Surya and Shree Hanuman Jee.. This will help > > > > her in getting married. The possibility of getting > > > > married between Dec 2005 and Jan 2006 in not rules > > > > out. > > > > RG > > > > SRINIVASA UPADHYAYA wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I am posting the chart of a woman/girl who met with > > > > an > > > > accident on > > > > 6-Apr-2005. One of her leg got cut. She had > > > > undergone > > > > surgery and on bed > > > > rest for next 3 months. She has sufferred with minor > > > > accidents since 2003. > > > > > > > > This girl is still unmarried. > > > > > > > > DOB: 6-8-1967 > > > > TOB: 22:30 > > > > Lat: 12N52 > > > > Lon: 74E53 > > > > > > > > 1) Will she get married? > > > > 2) When will she recover? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please provide your feedbakc, inputs, comments. > > > > > > > > Analysis > > > > 1) Marriage > > > > 7csl, Ma signifying 2 & 7 => the native is destined > > > > to > > > > get married. > > > > Further analysis I will post tomorrow (as I am not > > > > feeling well). > > > > > > > > 2) Accident > > > > > > > > 8csl, Ke S(7, 3,8, 2, 9). As Ke signify both 8 and > > > > marakastana => native > > > > will meet wit accidents. 3H => short journeys? > > > > > > > > The DBA at the time of accident is Mo-Rh-Me. > > > > > > > > Mo in the star of badhaka and sub of the occupant > > > > and > > > > lord of 12 => danger > > > > to life. Association of 6 lord is also there. Ju > > > > grace > > > > should have helped > > > > the native. > > > > > > > > Dasa lord is in the sub of lord of 11 => recovery is > > > > promised. > > > > > > > > Bukthi lord Rh is being aspected by Ma, a malefic. > > > > Both these planets are > > > > danger to life. Ma is also a maraka. > > > > Rh is in the star of Ke, occupant of 7 but Ke > > > > represents Ve, 8 lord. So > > > > danger to life. > > > > > > > > Antara lord, Me, is badhaka and is in the sub of Rh > > > > (S(1, 2, 7, 9,)). > > > > > > > > Recovey will happen during the periods ruled by > > > > significators of 5, 11. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > -- > > -------- > > > > 5 Bud-Bud Cha Sur > > > > Cha > > > > Gur > > > > > > > > Bud > > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > -- > > -------- > > > > 11 Cha-San San > > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > -- > > -------- > > > > > > > > Me, Ju, Mo, Su, Sa > > > > > > > > The native would get fully recovered during the > > > > Mo-Ju. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Upadhyaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 The more we see the tables of ayanamsa of different authors like Lahiri, B.V.Raman, Raphael's etc., and different websites, more we get difference, which ultimately lead to utter confusion. Every one claims his is correct calculation. I feel it is better to follow only one ayanamsa table published in "KP and Astrology 2003 pages 92 and 93." But the problem comes when we use some KP software. These KP softwares also found differ each other in aynamsa and planetary positions calculations - Kp astro show one figure, Astro Kundali shoes another figure, Astro sage shows another figure, Horo Soft shows another figure, Public soft show other figure, so on. Of course the differences are small.All these are KP softwares only. The learned KP Astrogers only have to clarify on the above most impartially for the benefit of learners like us. Good Luck. K.P.Naidu Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Dear List IF YOU ARE GOING ONLY UPTO SUB LORDS, and not sub-sub lords, you will not be wrong in using any KP aynamsa. It is only in timing the results that there will be some difference, in days. Mr Kanak Bosmia, is conducting a research on Natal and Horary charts, and the tentative finding is that NEW KP ayanams gives better timing results, than Laheri. My experience is the Sub-lords do not change, except in borderline cases. So judgement remains same. As Moon,s position(nirayan) is affected by the ayanmsa, the Dasa Start will change. Better to use New KP aynamsa. good luck "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: The more we see the tables of ayanamsa of different authors like Lahiri, B.V.Raman, Raphael's etc., and different websites, more we get difference, which ultimately lead to utter confusion. Every one claims his is correct calculation. I feel it is better to follow only one ayanamsa table published in "KP and Astrology 2003 pages 92 and 93." But the problem comes when we use some KP software. These KP softwares also found differ each other in aynamsa and planetary positions calculations - Kp astro show one figure, Astro Kundali shoes another figure, Astro sage shows another figure, Horo Soft shows another figure, Public soft show other figure, so on. Of course the differences are small.All these are KP softwares only. The learned KP Astrogers only have to clarify on the above most impartially for the benefit of learners like us. Good Luck. K.P.Naidu Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Dear learned KP astrologers, It is confusing to learners like me about the continuation of both old and nerw KP Ayanamsas. I understand that any new system/method isdefinitely an improvement over the old one and generally the new one replaces the old one. But in KP ayanamasa both old and new one are continuing - which is correct is matter of doubt arises in the minds of learners. Kindly clarify. Good Luck. Naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Dear Mr.Naidu, first of all one has to be well versed with the astrological principles and application thereof. Once this part is over then comes the predictive part which also one should be well versed with. What,When and how,one should be able to understand how to find out. Finally comes the ayanasmha which after knowing all the above as pre-requisite (then and only then), now takes first seat. All one has to do is use both ayanamahas,and try to check the difference in Sub lord or Sub-Sub lord. Wherever the past results match in the predictions, take that ayanasmha as right. But ayamsha choice has to come only when one is well versed in the prelimnaries which I have mentioned in the former paras. Until that level is reached it should not be a bother. For some one is able o provide results from the old and for some its difficult to accept the new one as right. This does not matter, as long as the results which are arrived at, match the past, present and future hapennings. regards, Bhaskar. , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: > > Dear learned KP astrologers, > > It is confusing to learners like me about the continuation of both old and nerw KP Ayanamsas. I understand that any new system/method isdefinitely an improvement over the old one and generally the new one replaces the old one. But in KP ayanamasa both old and new one are continuing - which is correct is matter of doubt arises in the minds of learners. Kindly clarify. > > Good Luck. > > Naidu KP > > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Mr.Naidu, > > first of all one has to be well versed with the > astrological principles and application thereof. > Once this part is over then comes the predictive part > which also one should be well versed with. > What,When and how,one should be able to understand > how to find out. > Finally comes the ayanasmha which after knowing all > the above as pre-requisite (then and only then), > now takes first seat. > All one has to do is use both ayanamahas,and try to > check the difference in Sub lord or Sub-Sub lord. > Wherever the past results match in the predictions, > take that ayanasmha as right. > But ayamsha choice has to come only > when one is well versed in the prelimnaries which > I have mentioned in the former paras. > Until that level is reached it should not be a bother. > For some one is able o provide results from the old > and for some its difficult to accept the new one as > right. This does not matter, as long as > the results which are arrived at, match the past, > present and future hapennings. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan@> > wrote: > > > > Dear learned KP astrologers, > > > > It is confusing to learners like me about the continuation of > both old and nerw KP Ayanamsas. I understand that any new > system/method isdefinitely an improvement over the old one and > generally the new one replaces the old one. But in KP ayanamasa both > old and new one are continuing - which is correct is matter of doubt > arises in the minds of learners. Kindly clarify. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > Naidu KP > > > > > > K. P. Naidu, > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > > Nowroji Road, > > Maharanipeta, > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > >Dear, Ayasmsa was inportant for Dasa'periods predictions. But I think Dasa was linear method of old Hindu astrology. Whether U use Kp ayamas or others,no matter over transits. Indian & myanmar astrologers pay most attention on Dasa & Ayamas,so linear motion of predictive tools bike astrologers. Don't Bother Over minute. regards zwetinwin myanmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Dear Freinds, AN ARTCLE ON AYANAMSA IS ATTACHED Appendix-A Chitra Pakcha Ayanamsa All authorities have established the importance of correct and true value of Ayanamsa. Hence, all classics lays down that Ayanamsa must be updated from time-to-time, through observations. Ayanamsa The question arises, what is Ayanamsa and why is it so important? (A) What is Ayanamsa The Vernal Equinoctial point(V.E.) or the first point of tropical Aries (as defined by sage Parasara in about 2000 B.C..) is taken as the starting point for measuring of celestial longitudes, which are known as the tropical or the sayana longitudes. Due to the precession of the equinoxes (ayana chalana) at the mean rate of about 50.3 per sidereal year and about 50.29 per Tropical Year (as per modern astronomical measurements), the longitudes of fixed stars are increasing every year at the same rate. In order to stabilize the zodiac, the ancient sages of vedic era has identified a point which is permanently fixed with reference to star Citra (spica 16) on the ecliptic. This initial point is always exactly opposite (180o away) from star citra. The distance between this initial point and the V.E. point or in other words the tropical longitude of the initial point is called Ayanamsa of the date. The celestial longitudes measured from this fixed point are known as “sidereal†or “Nirayana†longitudes. The following definition of Ayanamsa will be more rigorous, accurate and free from controversies: “When tropical longitude of star citra (spica – 16, Viginis) is reduced by 180 degrees, the remainder will be the value of chitra pakcha Ayanamsa of date†(B) Importance of Ayanamsa All astrological predictions depend on the correct longitude predictions of planets are measured with reference to the position of V.E. point and initial point of the sidereal Aries. As such, the correct value of Ayaramsa is absolutely essential. The calender reforms committee, constituted by Government of India in 1952, had approached this subject in scientific manner and given following recommendation: 1. The tropical and sidereal Zodiacs coincided in the year 285 A.D. and this year was termed zero Aynamsa year. This is a general statement and does not specify the exact day on which the ayanamsa had become zero during in this year. 2. From the data available from the Astromomisches Rechen Institue of Heidelberg, Germany, it was found that the equinoctial point (viz. First point of Tropital Aries) of the vernal equinox day on March 22 and 285 AD was very close to the initial part of the nirayana Zoida. The tropital longitude of star chitra (spica) was 180o 00‘03“.0. 3. However, the small difference of 3 second was ignored and it was assumed that the initial point of sidereal zodical was permanently fixed coinciding with the ingress of sun in Tropical Aries, which occurred on March 22 of 285 AD. 4. The above assumption was appropriate for Commencement of a calendar, but does not meet the astrological considerations fully on account of following reasons. (a) The initial point of sidereal zodiac is exactly opposite to star Chitra and it can not be linked directly with the ingress of sun in tropical aries. (b) The proper motion of the star chitra was not taken into consideration. On account of this reason, the position of initial point of sidereal Aries is to be updated periodically, and can not be assumed as absolutely fixed on the ecliptic. Lahiris Indian Ephemeris for 2003 A.D. clearly mentioned that: “Due to proper motion, the nirayana longitude of the star Chitra (Spica) has, however, diminished by 60 seconds during the period 1718 years from 285 A.D.†This clearly indicates that the Ayanamsa value adopted by Lahiris Ephemeries is to be updated so that the initial point of sidereal Zodiac is firmly linked with star chitra to meet astrological requirement. Nutation in longitude Nutation is an inevitable part of the precession motion of the poles of the earth’s equator. This depends mainly on the motion of the sun(earth) and of the moon in their orbit. The value of the nutation (plus or minus) needs to be applied to the value of mean ayanamsa of the day. The true value of the ayanamsa of any epoach is to calculated as under: Ist step: Mean longitude of star chitra – 180o = Mean Ayanamsa 2nd Step: Mean Ayanamsa + nutation in the longitude for That day = True Ayanamsa The following formula for notation was decided in a conference of astronomers, held in May 1896 at Paris:- “ – 17.235†(sine Rahu) – 1.27“ (sine SUN x 2)“ The sayana longitudes of true rahu and SUN are to be applied in the formula. The approximate value of Nutation in longitude can be obtained with the help of following table by using true sidereal Rahu of the date. Table : Nutation from sidereal longitude of Rahu Sl. No.. Niryana Rahu Nutation in Seconds Niryana Rahu (1) (2) (3) 1. 11s 07º –0"+ 5s 07º 2. 11s 22º –5 + 5s 22º 3. 0s 07º –9 + 6s 07º 4. 0s 22º –12 + 6s 22º 5. 1s 07º –15 + 7s 07º 6. 1s 22º –16 + 7s 22º 7. 2s 07º –17 + 8s 07º 8. 2s 22º –16 + 8s 22º 9. 3s 07º –15 + 9s 07º 10. 3s 22º –12 + 9s 22º 11. 4s 07º –9 + 10s 07º 12. 4s 22º –5 + 10s 22º Note: 1. Nutation is given for interval of 15o longitude of Rahu. Intervening figures can be calculated by methoid of ratio proportion. 2. The values of Nutation are negative for column 1 and positive for column 3. These values are subtracted or added in mean Ayanamsa to obtain true value of Aynamsa of any epoch or day. On account of Astronomical advancements in last three decades as well as astrological requirements, it has now become necessary to introduce following corrections in the procedure adopted for determining the Ayanamsa value uptill 1985 A.D.: 1. The initial (first) point of sidereal Aries will always be exactly opposite (180o away) to star Chitra (spica 16). 2. Therefore the correct definition of Ayanamsa will be as under for Astrological purposes: “When mean/true tropical longitude of star chitra (spica 16-xVirgnis) is reduced by 180o, the remainder will be mean/true value of Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa of the date.†3. The calendar reforms committee ignored the above two vital requirement of Astrology, and adopted V.E. point of year 285 AD as also initial point of sidereal Aries. On V.E. Day of 285 AD, occurring on Sunday March 22, 21h 27m (ISI), the mean tropical longitude of Star Chitra was 180o 00‘03“ as per forth fundamental catalogue (KT-4). The longitude of true Rahu was about 21o30‘ in Virgo. It is obvious from the above data, that the mean value of Ayanamsa on March 22, 285 AD was 00o00‘03“and this should have been adopted for Astrological purposes. However, this day was assumed as zero Ayanamsa day for all practical and particularly for calendarical purposes on the recommendation of calendar reforms committee. As a matter of fact Zero Aynamsa day must have occurred about 21 days prior to V.E. day i.e. on March 1, 285 A.D. If correction for Nutation is applied to mean value of Aynamsa, true Aynamsa value will work out 8“ as V.E. day of March 22, 285 A.D. 4. Due to proper motion of stars, the nirayana longitude of star chitra has, however, diminished by 60“ during the period of 1718 years from 285 AD to 2003 AD. Thus, a small correction of 1 sec. is to be applied say approximately every 30 years since 285 AD so that initial point of sidereal zodic remains linked and opposite to star chitra. 5. The mean tropical longitude of stars is now ascertained from Basic fifth fundamental catalogue (KT-5) instead of Kt-4 which was referred prior 1985 AD. 6. The values of Precession, as obtained by new comb formula and of Nutation as per formula decided in 1896 are no more valid. Both precession and nutation are to be calculated as per adoption of new parameters and constants for precession, aberration and obliquity of the ecliptic as per IAU(1976) and theory of Nutation(1980). Accordingly, mean precession value of V.E. point was adopted as 50.3 seconds aper sidereal year and Lahiris Indian Ephemeris also adopted this value from their 1994 issue. From the above discussion it is clear that Indian Ephemeris panchangs are showing Ayanamsa values assuming V.E. point of March 22, 285 Ad also as initial point of sidereal zodic. This value needs small correction so that initial point of fixed sidereal Zodiac is always be opposite to star Chitra. The Ayanamsa values on Jan. 1, 2003 and 2004 A.D. are given below so that the readers may observe the difference in both values: As per hahiri's Ayanamsa linked Ephemeris with star chitra Jan 1, 2003 True Aynamsa 23º53' 40".97 23º52' 43".96 Mean Aynamsa 23º53' 56".33 23º52' 59".02 Mean Tropical longitude of Star Chitra = 173º52' 59".02 Jan 1, 2004 True Aynamsa 23º 54' 34."45 23º53' 37".53 Mean Aynamsa 23º54' 46".62 23º53' 49".07 Mean tropical longitude of star chitra 173º53' 49".07 (The above data is compiled from Lahiri's Ephemeris). the panchang makers and Computer Programmers may take the data from original sources for more accurate and precise calculation. Aynamsa based on star Chitra can easily be calculated by making following deductions in Aynamsa vales given in the Lihiris Ephemeris: Ayanamsa values for the Deduction in following years seconds 1790-1820 A.D. 50 Sec. 1820-1850 A.D. 51 Sec. 1850-1880 A.D. 52 Sec. 1880-1910 A.D. 53 Sec. 1910-1940 A.D. 54 Sec. 1940-1970 A.D. 56 Sec. 1970-2000 A.D. 57 Sec. 1970-2030 A.D. 58 Sec. The proper motion of star Chitra is presently-0.0280 sec per year. The average motion of star chitra since 285 AD works out to 0.0349 sees per year (60 ¸1719). Table of Chitra Pakasha Ayanamsa Mean Tropical (Sayana) longitude of Star Chitra (spica 16)–180º = Mean Ayanamsa. Mean Ayanamsa + Nutation = True Aynamsa On Ist January of each year Year Mean Mean Precession Value of True True A.D. tropical Ayamamsa rate of Nutation Ayanamsa Aynamsa longitude V.E. point in value of star per sid longitude adopted by year Lahiri and Martand Panchang 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 S 0 ' " 0 ' " " " 0 ' " 0 ' " 1985 6 23 37 54.3 23 37 54.3 50.2772 –13.3 23 37 41.0 23 38 37 1986 6 23 38 44.6 23 38 44.6 50.2774 –9.6 23 38 35.0 23 39 31 1987 6 23 39 34.8 23 39 34.8 50.2776 –2.8 23 39 32.0 23 40 28 1988 6 23 40 25.1 23 40 25.1 50.2778 +0.9 23 40 26.0 23 41 23 1989 6 23 41 16.3 23 41 16.3 50.2780 +6.7 23 41 23.0 23 42 19 1990 6 23 42 6.6 23 42 6.6 50.2783 +11.4 23 42 17.0 23 43 14 1991 6 23 43 56.9 23 43 56.9 50.2785 +15.1 23 43 12.0 23 44 09 1992 6 23 43 47.2 23 43 47.2 50.2787 +16.8 23 44 4.0 23 45 00 1993 6 23 44 36.5 23 44 36.5 50.2800 –17.5 23 44 54.0 23 45 15 1994 6 23 45 26.8 23 45 26.8 50.3 +17.5 23 45 44.3 23 46 40 1995 6 23 46 17.1 23 46 17.1 50.3 +12.1 23 46 25.2 23 47 26.2 1996 6 23 47 08.3 23 47 08.3 50.3 +7 23 47 15.2 23 48 11.3 1997 6 23 47 58.7 23 47 58.7 50.3 +1.3 23 48 00.0 23 48 56 1998 6 23 48 48.95 23 48 48.95 50.3 –4.29 23 48 44.66 23 48 40.7 1999 6 23 49 38.17 23 49 38.17 50.3 –9.78 23 49 28.39 23 50 25.5 2000 6 23 50 29.46 23 50 29.46 50.3 –13.92 23 50 15.54 23 51 11.54 2001 6 23 51 19.75 23 51 19.75 50..3 –16.12 23 51 03.63 23 51 59.63 2002 6 23 52 09.04 23 52 09.04 50..3 –16.49 23 51 52.15 23 52 49.55 2003 6 23 52 59.33 23 52 59.33 50..3 –15.34 23 52 43.99 23 53 40.97 2004 6 23 53 49.62 23 53 49.62 50..3 –12.17 23 53 37.45 23 54 34.45 2005 6 23 54 39.91 23 54 39.91 50.3 –7.41 23 54 32.50 23 55 55.30 Note (i) Aynamsa values given in column 6 is linked with starchitra as a refrence point. (2) Ayanamsa values given in Colouni 7 is based on adoption of zero Ayanamsa day as V.E. point of the year 1985 A.D. (This was not based on Astrological requirement but adopted by on recommendations of the calendar committee for commencent of new calendar Appendix-A Chitra Pakcha Ayanamsa All authorities have established the importance of correct and true value of Ayanamsa. Hence, all classics lays down that Ayanamsa must be updated from time-to-time, through observations. Ayanamsa The question arises, what is Ayanamsa and why is it so important? (A) What is Ayanamsa The Vernal Equinoctial point(V.E.) or the first point of tropical Aries (as defined by sage Parasara in about 2000 B.C.) is taken as the starting point for measuring of celestial longitudes, which are known as the tropical or the sayana longitudes.. Due to the precession of the equinoxes (ayana chalana) at the mean rate of about 50.3 per sidereal year and about 50.29 per Tropical Year (as per modern astronomical measurements), the longitudes of fixed stars are increasing every year at the same rate. In order to stabilize the zodiac, the ancient sages of vedic era has identified a point which is permanently fixed with reference to star Citra (spica 16) on the ecliptic. This initial point is always exactly opposite (180o away) from star citra. The distance between this initial point and the V.E. point or in other words the tropical longitude of the initial point is called Ayanamsa of the date. The celestial longitudes measured from this fixed point are known as “sidereal†or “Nirayana†longitudes. The following definition of Ayanamsa will be more rigorous, accurate and free from controversies: “When tropical longitude of star citra (spica – 16, Viginis) is reduced by 180 degrees, the remainder will be the value of chitra pakcha Ayanamsa of date†(B) Importance of Ayanamsa All astrological predictions depend on the correct longitude predictions of planets are measured with reference to the position of V.E. point and initial point of the sidereal Aries. As such, the correct value of Ayaramsa is absolutely essential. The calender reforms committee, constituted by Government of India in 1952, had approached this subject in scientific manner and given following recommendation: 1. The tropical and sidereal Zodiacs coincided in the year 285 A.D. and this year was termed zero Aynamsa year. This is a general statement and does not specify the exact day on which the ayanamsa had become zero during in this year. 2. From the data available from the Astromomisches Rechen Institue of Heidelberg, Germany, it was found that the equinoctial point (viz. First point of Tropital Aries) of the vernal equinox day on March 22 and 285 AD was very close to the initial part of the nirayana Zoida. The tropital longitude of star chitra (spica) was 180o 00‘03“.0. 3. However, the small difference of 3 second was ignored and it was assumed that the initial point of sidereal zodical was permanently fixed coinciding with the ingress of sun in Tropical Aries, which occurred on March 22 of 285 AD. 4. The above assumption was appropriate for Commencement of a calendar, but does not meet the astrological considerations fully on account of following reasons. (a) The initial point of sidereal zodiac is exactly opposite to star Chitra and it can not be linked directly with the ingress of sun in tropical aries. (b) The proper motion of the star chitra was not taken into consideration. On account of this reason, the position of initial point of sidereal Aries is to be updated periodically, and can not be assumed as absolutely fixed on the ecliptic. Lahiris Indian Ephemeris for 2003 A.D.. clearly mentioned that: “Due to proper motion, the nirayana longitude of the star Chitra (Spica) has, however, diminished by 60 seconds during the period 1718 years from 285 A.D.†This clearly indicates that the Ayanamsa value adopted by Lahiris Ephemeries is to be updated so that the initial point of sidereal Zodiac is firmly linked with star chitra to meet astrological requirement. Nutation in longitude Nutation is an inevitable part of the precession motion of the poles of the earth’s equator. This depends mainly on the motion of the sun(earth) and of the moon in their orbit. The value of the nutation (plus or minus) needs to be applied to the value of mean ayanamsa of the day. The true value of the ayanamsa of any epoach is to calculated as under: Ist step: Mean longitude of star chitra – 180o = Mean Ayanamsa 2nd Step: Mean Ayanamsa + nutation in the longitude for That day = True Ayanamsa The following formula for notation was decided in a conference of astronomers, held in May 1896 at Paris:- “ – 17.235†(sine Rahu) – 1.27“ (sine SUN x 2)“ The sayana longitudes of true rahu and SUN are to be applied in the formula. The approximate value of Nutation in longitude can be obtained with the help of following table by using true sidereal Rahu of the date. Table : Nutation from sidereal longitude of Rahu Sl. No. Niryana Rahu Nutation in Seconds Niryana Rahu (1) (2) (3) 1. 11s 07º –0"+ 5s 07º 2. 11s 22º –5 + 5s 22º 3. 0s 07º –9 + 6s 07º 4. 0s 22º –12 + 6s 22º 5. 1s 07º –15 + 7s 07º 6. 1s 22º –16 + 7s 22º 7. 2s 07º –17 + 8s 07º 8. 2s 22º –16 + 8s 22º 9. 3s 07º –15 + 9s 07º 10. 3s 22º –12 + 9s 22º 11. 4s 07º –9 + 10s 07º 12. 4s 22º –5 + 10s 22º Note: 1. Nutation is given for interval of 15o longitude of Rahu. Intervening figures can be calculated by methoid of ratio proportion. 2. The values of Nutation are negative for column 1 and positive for column 3. These values are subtracted or added in mean Ayanamsa to obtain true value of Aynamsa of any epoch or day. On account of Astronomical advancements in last three decades as well as astrological requirements, it has now become necessary to introduce following corrections in the procedure adopted for determining the Ayanamsa value uptill 1985 A.D.: 1. The initial (first) point of sidereal Aries will always be exactly opposite (180o away) to star Chitra (spica 16). 2. Therefore the correct definition of Ayanamsa will be as under for Astrological purposes: “When mean/true tropical longitude of star chitra (spica 16-xVirgnis) is reduced by 180o, the remainder will be mean/true value of Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa of the date.†3. The calendar reforms committee ignored the above two vital requirement of Astrology, and adopted V.E. point of year 285 AD as also initial point of sidereal Aries. On V.E. Day of 285 AD, occurring on Sunday March 22, 21h 27m (ISI), the mean tropical longitude of Star Chitra was 180o 00‘03“ as per forth fundamental catalogue (KT-4). The longitude of true Rahu was about 21o30‘ in Virgo. It is obvious from the above data, that the mean value of Ayanamsa on March 22, 285 AD was 00o00‘03“and this should have been adopted for Astrological purposes. However, this day was assumed as zero Ayanamsa day for all practical and particularly for calendarical purposes on the recommendation of calendar reforms committee. As a matter of fact Zero Aynamsa day must have occurred about 21 days prior to V.E. day i.e. on March 1, 285 A.D. If correction for Nutation is applied to mean value of Aynamsa, true Aynamsa value will work out 8“ as V.E. day of March 22, 285 A.D. 4. Due to proper motion of stars, the nirayana longitude of star chitra has, however, diminished by 60“ during the period of 1718 years from 285 AD to 2003 AD. Thus, a small correction of 1 sec. is to be applied say approximately every 30 years since 285 AD so that initial point of sidereal zodic remains linked and opposite to star chitra. 5. The mean tropical longitude of stars is now ascertained from Basic fifth fundamental catalogue (KT-5) instead of Kt-4 which was referred prior 1985 AD. 6. The values of Precession, as obtained by new comb formula and of Nutation as per formula decided in 1896 are no more valid. Both precession and nutation are to be calculated as per adoption of new parameters and constants for precession, aberration and obliquity of the ecliptic as per IAU(1976) and theory of Nutation(1980). Accordingly, mean precession value of V.E. point was adopted as 50.3 seconds aper sidereal year and Lahiris Indian Ephemeris also adopted this value from their 1994 issue. From the above discussion it is clear that Indian Ephemeris panchangs are showing Ayanamsa values assuming V.E. point of March 22, 285 Ad also as initial point of sidereal zodic. This value needs small correction so that initial point of fixed sidereal Zodiac is always be opposite to star Chitra. The Ayanamsa values on Jan. 1, 2003 and 2004 A.D. are given below so that the readers may observe the difference in both values: As per hahiri's Ayanamsa linked Ephemeris with star chitra Jan 1, 2003 True Aynamsa 23º53' 40".97 23º52' 43".96 Mean Aynamsa 23º53' 56".33 23º52' 59".02 Mean Tropical longitude of Star Chitra = 173º52' 59".02 Jan 1, 2004 True Aynamsa 23º 54' 34."45 23º53' 37".53 Mean Aynamsa 23º54' 46".62 23º53' 49".07 Mean tropical longitude of star chitra 173º53' 49".07 (The above data is compiled from Lahiri's Ephemeris). the panchang makers and Computer Programmers may take the data from original sources for more accurate and precise calculation. Aynamsa based on star Chitra can easily be calculated by making following deductions in Aynamsa vales given in the Lihiris Ephemeris: Ayanamsa values for the Deduction in following years seconds 1790-1820 A.D. 50 Sec. 1820-1850 A.D. 51 Sec. 1850-1880 A.D. 52 Sec. 1880-1910 A.D. 53 Sec. 1910-1940 A.D. 54 Sec. 1940-1970 A.D. 56 Sec. 1970-2000 A.D. 57 Sec. 1970-2030 A.D. 58 Sec. The proper motion of star Chitra is presently-0.0280 sec per year. The average motion of star chitra since 285 AD works out to 0.0349 sees per year (60 ¸1719). Table of Chitra Pakasha Ayanamsa Mean Tropical (Sayana) longitude of Star Chitra (spica 16)–180º = Mean Ayanamsa. Mean Ayanamsa + Nutation = True Aynamsa On Ist January of each year Year Mean Mean Precession Value of True True A.D. tropical Ayamamsa rate of Nutation Ayanamsa Aynamsa longitude V.E. point in value of star per sid longitude adopted by year Lahiri and Martand Panchang 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 S 0 ' " 0 ' " " " 0 ' " 0 ' " 1985 6 23 37 54.3 23 37 54.3 50.2772 –13.3 23 37 41.0 23 38 37 1986 6 23 38 44.6 23 38 44.6 50.2774 –9.6 23 38 35.0 23 39 31 1987 6 23 39 34.8 23 39 34.8 50.2776 –2.8 23 39 32.0 23 40 28 1988 6 23 40 25.1 23 40 25.1 50.2778 +0.9 23 40 26.0 23 41 23 1989 6 23 41 16.3 23 41 16.3 50.2780 +6.7 23 41 23.0 23 42 19 1990 6 23 42 6.6 23 42 6.6 50.2783 +11.4 23 42 17.0 23 43 14 1991 6 23 43 56.9 23 43 56.9 50.2785 +15.1 23 43 12.0 23 44 09 1992 6 23 43 47.2 23 43 47.2 50.2787 +16.8 23 44 4.0 23 45 00 1993 6 23 44 36.5 23 44 36.5 50.2800 –17.5 23 44 54.0 23 45 15 1994 6 23 45 26.8 23 45 26.8 50.3 +17.5 23 45 44.3 23 46 40 1995 6 23 46 17.1 23 46 17.1 50.3 +12.1 23 46 25.2 23 47 26.2 1996 6 23 47 08.3 23 47 08.3 50.3 +7 23 47 15.2 23 48 11.3 1997 6 23 47 58.7 23 47 58.7 50.3 +1.3 23 48 00.0 23 48 56 1998 6 23 48 48.95 23 48 48.95 50.3 –4.29 23 48 44.66 23 48 40.7 1999 6 23 49 38.17 23 49 38.17 50.3 –9.78 23 49 28.39 23 50 25.5 2000 6 23 50 29.46 23 50 29.46 50.3 –13.92 23 50 15.54 23 51 11.54 2001 6 23 51 19.75 23 51 19.75 50..3 –16.12 23 51 03.63 23 51 59.63 2002 6 23 52 09.04 23 52 09.04 50..3 –16.49 23 51 52.15 23 52 49.55 2003 6 23 52 59.33 23 52 59.33 50..3 –15.34 23 52 43.99 23 53 40.97 2004 6 23 53 49.62 23 53 49.62 50..3 –12.17 23 53 37.45 23 54 34.45 2005 6 23 54 39.91 23 54 39.91 50.3 –7.41 23 54 32.50 23 55 55.30 Note (i) Aynamsa values given in column 6 is linked with starchitra as a refrence point. (2) Ayanamsa values given in Colouni 7 is based on adoption of zero Ayanamsa day as V.E. point of the year 1985 A.D. (This was not based on Astrological requirement but adopted by on recommendations of the calendar committee for commencent of new calendar G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA DELETE button is history. Unlimited mail storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Dear members, My personal opinion on the issue of ayanamsa is that first we need to perfect our predictive abilities, before we start experimenting with different ayanamsa. Example: On the birth data controversies of Benazir Bhutto, Sri K.N. Rao commented that any birth data { other than what he uses - 21-June} is incorrect because if it is 23-June then she should got married much earlier...etc.. To me 23-June seems more fitting to Benazir Bhutto's nature, for she was more Machiavellian than dogged determination or commanding qualities of 21-June We have seen in many cases, where the native has marriage or denial of marriage combinations and reality is totally contrast. Recall the small Quiz we had of Pisces Lagna where we all participated, posted by Sreenadh, I predicted denial, where the native was married and got into divorce after 5-6 yrs. Similarly, analyzing Sri K.N. Rao's own horoscope for marriage, difficult to say denial combinations are absent, yet he is confirmed bachelor. I have 5 sets of birth data, with excellent 2HL & other Dhan Yoga combinations, but in reality this people are almost beggars or deep debt. Myself, Sreenadh & Sunil Nair came across a family of 6 members, with most of them now beyond any marriage age, confirmed bachelors. So, we are yet to improve our predictive abilities i.e. in terms of "Doshams". In 3-4 cases/instances, when a "same person" informed me of his leave for a period of 10-15 days, using Lahiri Ayanamsa, which I generally follow - 365 days- ease of calculations, could show the intent & dasha matching the Travel Dates. Sreenadh then checked with various other Lagna dasha & Ayanamsa, but I happened to be "lucky" for he had NO comments to make in all those 3-4 instances. Let me honestly, admit that I am yet to experiment with other Ayanamsas, though I did go through Chandra Hari's ayanamsa articles......way back in Year 2004... Generally, people do not maintain their Astro dairy of events, is another reason for lack of correct data of events.....everything is approximate.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Dear Mr Goel, I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though our Parampara. Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that it was based on PARAMPARA. Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the safeguarders of the parampara. The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years started to move much away from Lahiri. Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and working on some whim and fancy? Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what basis was an ayanamsa tested? If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. Taking an example Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. 18th Nov 1971 2:55 AM 8N29 76E55 Trivandrum. Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 As 11 Vi 59 Su 2 Sc 18 Mo 0 Sc 17 Ma 13 Aq 39 Me 23 Sc 20 Ju 19 Sc 52 Ve 23 Sc 28 SaR 11 Ta 7 Ra 16 Cp 24 Ke 16 Cn 24 KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be manipulated) (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be tested) (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. Now antra running at that time was Mahadasha = Mercury Antra = Guru Sectors = Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on http://krushna.sageasita.com) Now after 30th January 2008, the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF SUN. Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE EVENT IS TRIGGERED. So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 Anything over 12 is considered powerful. So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march 2008 and Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be when 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that is varying, anything can be justified. 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 minute less has begun. So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. I hope my point is clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Mr. ASH, > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not encouraging. > More over I could not find any convincing scientific justification of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > group. > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have solid astronomical basis. > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa value. > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = AYANAMSA+180degree > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04 " , > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. for present era. > Kindly go through my article on " concept of Vargottama " in which number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > Regards, > >  G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Dear Ash, Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01 January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some research in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus Christ ayanamsa. chandra hari , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Mr Goel, > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though > our Parampara. > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the > safeguarders of the parampara. > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and > working on some whim and fancy? > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. > > Taking an example > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > 18th Nov 1971 > 2:55 AM > 8N29 > 76E55 > Trivandrum. > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > As 11 Vi 59 > Su 2 Sc 18 > Mo 0 Sc 17 > Ma 13 Aq 39 > Me 23 Sc 20 > Ju 19 Sc 52 > Ve 23 Sc 28 > SaR 11 Ta 7 > Ra 16 Cp 24 > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be > manipulated) > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be tested) > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > Now antra running at that time was > > Mahadasha = Mercury > Antra = Guru > > Sectors = > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF SUN. > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march > 2008 and > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be when > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that > is varying, anything can be justified. > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 > minute less has begun. > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > I hope my point is clear. > > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , Gopal Goel > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not encouraging. > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific justification > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > group. > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have > solid astronomical basis. > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa > value. > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = AYANAMSA+180degree > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04 " , > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. > for present era. > > Kindly go through my article on " concept of Vargottama " in which > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > Regards, > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 -) Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses. Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP Ayanamsa, SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57 Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers predicting correctly, too using tropical. Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test the ayanamsa. If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS, same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as well, with quite convincing arguments. Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa. Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and 2 together. After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the laws with intelligence :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " chandra_hari18 " <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01 > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some research > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus Christ > ayanamsa. > > chandra hari > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Goel, > > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though > > our Parampara. > > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that > > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the > > safeguarders of the parampara. > > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years > > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and > > working on some whim and fancy? > > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what > > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. > > > > Taking an example > > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > > > 18th Nov 1971 > > 2:55 AM > > 8N29 > > 76E55 > > Trivandrum. > > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > > > As 11 Vi 59 > > Su 2 Sc 18 > > Mo 0 Sc 17 > > Ma 13 Aq 39 > > Me 23 Sc 20 > > Ju 19 Sc 52 > > Ve 23 Sc 28 > > SaR 11 Ta 7 > > Ra 16 Cp 24 > > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be > > manipulated) > > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be > tested) > > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > > > Now antra running at that time was > > > > Mahadasha = Mercury > > Antra = Guru > > > > Sectors = > > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF > SUN. > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march > > 2008 and > > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. > > > > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. > > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be > when > > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that > > is varying, anything can be justified. > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. > > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 > > minute less has begun. > > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's > Ayanamsa. > > > > I hope my point is clear. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , Gopal Goel > > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not > encouraging. > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific > justification > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > > group. > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have > > solid astronomical basis. > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa > > value. > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > > >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = > AYANAMSA+180degree > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04 " , > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. > > for present era. > > > Kindly go through my article on " concept of Vargottama " in which > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > > Regards, > > > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Dear Chandra Hari, I forgot to add that once the JC (Jesus Christ) Ayanamsa is aptly justified, one can wait for NJC or TRUE / NEW JC ayanamsa that will be a bit different maybe JC + 40 mins :-) Maybe all in due course of time, lol..... Recently there was someone who had Tarun Ayanamsa too which was very interesting too... so that this rate, we will get there in no time... Sit back, relax, fasten your seat belt and enjoy the ride..... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > -) > > Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses. > > Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP Ayanamsa, > SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57 > Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers > predicting correctly, too using tropical. > > Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the > weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test > the ayanamsa. > > If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one > can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS, > same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you > gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as > well, with quite convincing arguments. > > Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has > changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa. > > Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and 2 > together. > > After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the laws > with intelligence :-) > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " chandra_hari18 " > <chandra_hari18@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01 > > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some research > > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus Christ > > ayanamsa. > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Goel, > > > > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this > > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though > > > our Parampara. > > > > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN > > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and > > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given > > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that > > > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > > > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There > > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the > > > safeguarders of the parampara. > > > > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the > > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that > > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years > > > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > > > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and > > > working on some whim and fancy? > > > > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what > > > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > > > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your > > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be > > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be > > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. > > > > > > Taking an example > > > > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > > > > > 18th Nov 1971 > > > 2:55 AM > > > 8N29 > > > 76E55 > > > Trivandrum. > > > > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > > > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > > > > > As 11 Vi 59 > > > Su 2 Sc 18 > > > Mo 0 Sc 17 > > > Ma 13 Aq 39 > > > Me 23 Sc 20 > > > Ju 19 Sc 52 > > > Ve 23 Sc 28 > > > SaR 11 Ta 7 > > > Ra 16 Cp 24 > > > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > > > > > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be > > > manipulated) > > > > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same > > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be > > tested) > > > > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything > > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > > > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > > > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > > > > > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th > > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > > > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > > > > > Now antra running at that time was > > > > > > Mahadasha = Mercury > > > Antra = Guru > > > > > > Sectors = > > > > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > > > > > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > > > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in > > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > > > > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > > > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF > > SUN. > > > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > > > > > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE > > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > > > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo > > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > > > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march > > > 2008 and > > > > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > > > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. > > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared > > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. > > > > > > > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > > > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are > > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. > > > > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who > > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You > > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 > > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > > > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > > > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr > > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around > > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of > > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > > > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that > > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more > > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that > > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > > > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be > > when > > > > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that > > > is varying, anything can be justified. > > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > > > > > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF > > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be > > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE > > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been > > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of > > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > > > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji > > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and > > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. > > > > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is > > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see > > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 > > > minute less has begun. > > > > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will > > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's > > Ayanamsa. > > > > > > I hope my point is clear. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , Gopal Goel > > > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not > > encouraging. > > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific > > justification > > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > > > group. > > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have > > > solid astronomical basis. > > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa > > > value. > > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > > > >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = > > AYANAMSA+180degree > > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of > > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04 " , > > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. > > > for present era. > > > > Kindly go through my article on " concept of Vargottama " in which > > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Ash,I wonder why our sages have not stated anything in writing about Ayanamsha! It is such an important part of Astrology and yet no one seem to have explained it or even made a passing mention in their works. What could be the reason?Regards,Krisnaashsam73 <kas wrote: -) Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses. Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP Ayanamsa, SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57 Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers predicting correctly, too using tropical. Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test the ayanamsa. If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS, same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as well, with quite convincing arguments. Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa. Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and 2 together. After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the laws with intelligence :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01 > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some research > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus Christ > ayanamsa. > > chandra hari > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Goel, > > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though > > our Parampara. > > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that > > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the > > safeguarders of the parampara. > > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years > > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and > > working on some whim and fancy? > > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what > > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. > > > > Taking an example > > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > > > 18th Nov 1971 > > 2:55 AM > > 8N29 > > 76E55 > > Trivandrum. > > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > > > As 11 Vi 59 > > Su 2 Sc 18 > > Mo 0 Sc 17 > > Ma 13 Aq 39 > > Me 23 Sc 20 > > Ju 19 Sc 52 > > Ve 23 Sc 28 > > SaR 11 Ta 7 > > Ra 16 Cp 24 > > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be > > manipulated) > > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be > tested) > > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > > > Now antra running at that time was > > > > Mahadasha = Mercury > > Antra = Guru > > > > Sectors = > > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF > SUN. > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march > > 2008 and > > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. > > > > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. > > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be > when > > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that > > is varying, anything can be justified. > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. > > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 > > minute less has begun. > > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's > Ayanamsa. > > > > I hope my point is clear. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , Gopal Goel > > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not > encouraging. > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific > justification > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > > group. > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have > > solid astronomical basis. > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa > > value. > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > > >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = > AYANAMSA+180degree > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04", > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. > > for present era. > > > Kindly go through my article on "concept of Vargottama" in which > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > > Regards, > > > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Krishna, Anything said at this point would be our mere speculation. However, there can be many thoughts or speculations if I may - Just because we do not find anything concrete in whatever little of the texts that are available today, that does not mean that our Sages have not said anything. Maybe they did say a lot, maybe books, but we might not have them today or they might be with some families or lost over time, or maybe it might be documented in some book which might be collecting dust on someone’s desk and they might not know the value of what they have who knows? - Maybe nothing was said as you have questioned. - Maybe nothing was said intentionally, so that it would force people to think and ponder of this. - Maybe things were said and documented by the sages just as so many things were given with such precisions, and maybe intentionally it might have been take out by some people over due course of time. I mean one can keep on speculating, but the bottom line, What is the truth? In the absence of clear cut value given by Maharishis, we can only search for this answer, by a) Finding consistent technique that works and then b) Work backwards to find the proper ayanamsa which would become much easier once point a is clear cut. Each intelligent reader will have their own opinion, the above is mine. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama Friday May 16, 2008 12:03 AM Subject: Re: Ayanamsa Dear Ash, I wonder why our sages have not stated anything in writing about Ayanamsha! It is such an important part of Astrology and yet no one seem to have explained it or even made a passing mention in their works. What could be the reason? Regards, Krisna ashsam73 <kas wrote: -) Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses. Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP Ayanamsa, SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57 Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers predicting correctly, too using tropical. Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test the ayanamsa. If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS, same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as well, with quite convincing arguments. Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa. Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and 2 together. After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the laws with intelligence :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " chandra_hari18 " <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01 > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some research > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus Christ > ayanamsa. > > chandra hari > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Goel, > > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though > > our Parampara. > > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that > > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the > > safeguarders of the parampara. > > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years > > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and > > working on some whim and fancy? > > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what > > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. > > > > Taking an example > > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > > > 18th Nov 1971 > > 2:55 AM > > 8N29 > > 76E55 > > Trivandrum. > > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > > > As 11 Vi 59 > > Su 2 Sc 18 > > Mo 0 Sc 17 > > Ma 13 Aq 39 > > Me 23 Sc 20 > > Ju 19 Sc 52 > > Ve 23 Sc 28 > > SaR 11 Ta 7 > > Ra 16 Cp 24 > > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be > > manipulated) > > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be > tested) > > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > > > Now antra running at that time was > > > > Mahadasha = Mercury > > Antra = Guru > > > > Sectors = > > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF > SUN. > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march > > 2008 and > > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. > > > > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. > > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be > when > > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that > > is varying, anything can be justified. > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. > > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 > > minute less has begun. > > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's > Ayanamsa. > > > > I hope my point is clear. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , Gopal Goel > > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not > encouraging. > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific > justification > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > > group. > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have > > solid astronomical basis. > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa > > value. > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > > >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = > AYANAMSA+180degree > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04 " , > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. > > for present era. > > > Kindly go through my article on " concept of Vargottama " in which > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > > Regards, > > > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Ash,Thanks for sharing your views. What you say makes lot of sense.Assuming that nothing on this subject is lost or not a family secret that is being managed by some paramparas, my pet theory is:On some important subjects like this, the sages passed on the knowledge only orally to their trustworthy students. I could be wrong. But, one can not rule this out.Regards,Krishna"Ash's Corner" <kas wrote: Dear Krishna, Anything said at this point would be our mere speculation. However, there can be many thoughts or speculations if I may - Just because we do not find anything concrete in whatever little of the texts that are available today, that does not mean that our Sages have not said anything. Maybe they did say a lot, maybe books, but we might not have them today or they might be with some families or lost over time, or maybe it might be documented in some book which might be collecting dust on someone’s desk and they might not know the value of what they have who knows? - Maybe nothing was said as you have questioned. - Maybe nothing was said intentionally, so that it would force people to think and ponder of this. - Maybe things were said and documented by the sages just as so many things were given with such precisions, and maybe intentionally it might have been take out by some people over due course of time. I mean one can keep on speculating, but the bottom line, What is the truth? In the absence of clear cut value given by Maharishis, we can only search for this answer, by a) Finding consistent technique that works and then b) Work backwards to find the proper ayanamsa which would become much easier once point a is clear cut. Each intelligent reader will have their own opinion, the above is mine. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama Friday May 16, 2008 12:03 AM Re: Ayanamsa Dear Ash, I wonder why our sages have not stated anything in writing about Ayanamsha! It is such an important part of Astrology and yet no one seem to have explained it or even made a passing mention in their works. What could be the reason? Regards, Krisna ashsam73 <kas wrote: -) Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses. Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP Ayanamsa, SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57 Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers predicting correctly, too using tropical. Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test the ayanamsa. If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS, same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as well, with quite convincing arguments. Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa. Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and 2 together. After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the laws with intelligence :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01 > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some research > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus Christ > ayanamsa. > > chandra hari > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Goel, > > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though > > our Parampara. > > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that > > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the > > safeguarders of the parampara. > > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years > > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and > > working on some whim and fancy? > > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what > > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. > > > > Taking an example > > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > > > 18th Nov 1971 > > 2:55 AM > > 8N29 > > 76E55 > > Trivandrum. > > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > > > As 11 Vi 59 > > Su 2 Sc 18 > > Mo 0 Sc 17 > > Ma 13 Aq 39 > > Me 23 Sc 20 > > Ju 19 Sc 52 > > Ve 23 Sc 28 > > SaR 11 Ta 7 > > Ra 16 Cp 24 > > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be > > manipulated) > > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be > tested) > > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > > > Now antra running at that time was > > > > Mahadasha = Mercury > > Antra = Guru > > > > Sectors = > > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF > SUN. > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march > > 2008 and > > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. > > > > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. > > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be > when > > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that > > is varying, anything can be justified. > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. > > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 > > minute less has begun. > > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's > Ayanamsa. > > > > I hope my point is clear. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , Gopal Goel > > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not > encouraging. > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific > justification > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > > group. > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have > > solid astronomical basis. > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa > > value. > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > > >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = > AYANAMSA+180degree > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04", > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. > > for present era. > > > Kindly go through my article on "concept of Vargottama" in which > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > > Regards, > > > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Ash ji,==>> I forgot to add that once the JC (Jesus Christ) Ayanamsa is aptly> justified, one can wait for NJC or TRUE / NEW JC ayanamsa that will be> a bit different maybe JC + 40 mins :-)> Maybe all in due course of time, lol.....<== I think your comment springs from the mis-understanding the Ayanamsa proposed by Chandrahari depends some way on Lahari; which is totally wrong. The Aynamsa proposed by Chandrahari DOES NOT depend on anything except the rhythmic correlation of planetary movements as proposed by Ancient Surya Siddhanta. It is just for help the people by providing an easy way to arrive near to the proposed Ayanamsa value that we are referring to L+44 or L+46. If one is intelligent enough the direct formula to calculate the Ayanamsa is available in the files section of the group (in the reviews I wrote to the Ayanamsa concept presented by Chandra Hari) and they can use it. And thus the better brains will be saved much from the + or - related X or Y Ayanamsa - whether true or false. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Chandra Hari,> > I forgot to add that once the JC (Jesus Christ) Ayanamsa is aptly> justified, one can wait for NJC or TRUE / NEW JC ayanamsa that will be> a bit different maybe JC + 40 mins :-)> > Maybe all in due course of time, lol.....> > Recently there was someone who had Tarun Ayanamsa too which was very> interesting too... so that this rate, we will get there in no time...> > Sit back, relax, fasten your seat belt and enjoy the ride.....> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > , "ashsam73" kas@> wrote:> >> > -)> > > > Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses.> > > > Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP Ayanamsa,> > SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57> > Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers> > predicting correctly, too using tropical.> > > > Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the> > weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test> > the ayanamsa.> > > > If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one> > can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS,> > same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you> > gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as> > well, with quite convincing arguments.> > > > Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has> > changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa.> > > > Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and 2> > together.> > > > After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the laws> > with intelligence :-)> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01> > > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some> research> > > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus> Christ> > > ayanamsa.> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mr Goel,> > > >> > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this> > > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though> > > > our Parampara.> > > >> > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN> > > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and> > > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it> given> > > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that> > > > it was based on PARAMPARA.> > > >> > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same.> There> > > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the> > > > safeguarders of the parampara.> > > >> > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact,> > > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he> wrote the> > > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was> surprised that> > > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa.> > > >> > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years> > > > started to move much away from Lahiri.> > > >> > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the> dark and> > > > working on some whim and fancy?> > > >> > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what> > > > basis was an ayanamsa tested?> > > >> > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use> your> > > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get> > > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test> might be> > > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might> not be> > > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper> result.> > > >> > > > Taking an example> > > >> > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion.> > > >> > > > 18th Nov 1971> > > > 2:55 AM> > > > 8N29> > > > 76E55> > > > Trivandrum.> > > >> > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008.> > > >> > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23> > > >> > > > As 11 Vi 59> > > > Su 2 Sc 18> > > > Mo 0 Sc 17> > > > Ma 13 Aq 39> > > > Me 23 Sc 20> > > > Ju 19 Sc 52> > > > Ve 23 Sc 28> > > > SaR 11 Ta 7> > > > Ra 16 Cp 24> > > > Ke 16 Cn 24> > > >> > > >> > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be> > > > manipulated)> > > >> > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same> > > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be> > > tested)> > > >> > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything> > > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion)> > > >> > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts.> > > >> > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa> > > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29> > > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24> > > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14> > > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17> > > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10> > > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30> > > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15> > > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32> > > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26> > > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15> > > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35> > > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22> > > >> > > >> > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th> > > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet.> > > >> > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS> > > >> > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa> > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15> > > >> > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points.> > > >> > > > Now antra running at that time was> > > >> > > > Mahadasha = Mercury> > > > Antra = Guru> > > >> > > > Sectors => > > >> > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29> > > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30> > > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01> > > >> > > >> > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started.> > > >> > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in> > > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on> > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com)> > > >> > > > Now after 30th January 2008,> > > >> > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of> TRANSIT OF> > > SUN.> > > >> > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb> > > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb> > > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar> > > >> > > >> > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE> > > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED.> > > >> > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo> > > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less> > > >> > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa> > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15> > > >> > > >> > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful.> > > >> > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march> > > > 2008 and> > > >> > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008.> > > >> > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s> Lahiri.> > > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared> > > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes.> > > >> > > >> > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some> > > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA.> > > >> > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are> > > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN> EVENT.> > > >> > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to> someone, who> > > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You> > > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri> + 40> > > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your> > > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS.> > > >> > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x.> > > >> > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr> > > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers> around> > > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of> > > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri.> > > >> > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa,> that> > > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done> more> > > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins> > > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that> > > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here.> > > >> > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be> > > when> > > >> > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If> that> > > > is varying, anything can be justified.> > > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES.> > > >> > > >> > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF> > > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be> > > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE> > > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been> > > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of> > > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to> > > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS.> > > >> > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji> > > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and> > > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS.> > > >> > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that> Lahiri is> > > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see> > > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1> > > > minute less has begun.> > > >> > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will> > > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's> > > Ayanamsa.> > > >> > > > I hope my point is clear.> > > >> > > >> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > >> > > > , Gopal Goel> > > > gkgoel1937@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr. ASH,> > > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not> > > encouraging.> > > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific> > > justification> > > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your> > > > > group.> > > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should> have> > > > solid astronomical basis.> > > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa> > > > value.> > > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows:> > > > > TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) => > > AYANAMSA+180degree> > > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal> longitude of> > > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04",> > > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec.> > > > for present era.> > > > > Kindly go through my article on "concept of Vargottama" in which> > > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle.> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > G.K.GOEL> > > > > Ph: 09350311433> > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > > > INDIA> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Sreenadh, That mail of mine was meant as a joke and don't read too much into it. That is the trend that has been observed. First there was KP Ayanamsa given by Krishnamurthi, and then the more intelligent students, have come up with the NEW TRUE KP AYANAMSA. Then there was Lahiri ayanamsa, which if u study closely, even some years are skipped, and now there is a new Flavour of it based on some sincere research. So that is new TRUE AYANSMA. Then something unique came, the Tarun Ayanamsa, which is very different and by god, some people find events matching with that as well. A new era in jyotish. Then there will be JC ayanamsa and in due course of time, with sincere research minded students will come up with NJC or TJC (New JC) or (TRUE JC AYANAMSA) don't u think? It is human nature to make progress :-). Besides, do you have fixed set of rules that u are using to test 360 v/s 365 that is repeatable in charts? As per Krushna's Ashtakavarga System, the date given is 24th February 366 AD, along with a full system in which the power of a planet in all 12 HOUSE OF THE RASI CHART AND ALL 12 HOUSES IN ALL 16 D CHARTS ARE GIVEN IN CLEAR CUT AND NUMERICAL WAY. Rest, is left to the intelligent mind. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, > ==> > > I forgot to add that once the JC (Jesus Christ) Ayanamsa is aptly > > justified, one can wait for NJC or TRUE / NEW JC ayanamsa that will be > > a bit different maybe JC + 40 mins :-) > > Maybe all in due course of time, lol..... > <== > I think your comment springs from the mis-understanding the Ayanamsa > proposed by Chandrahari depends some way on Lahari; which is totally > wrong. The Aynamsa proposed by Chandrahari DOES NOT depend on anything > except the rhythmic correlation of planetary movements as proposed by > Ancient Surya Siddhanta. It is just for help the people by providing an > easy way to arrive near to the proposed Ayanamsa value that we are > referring to L+44 or L+46. If one is intelligent enough the direct > formula to calculate the Ayanamsa is available in the files section of > the group (in the reviews I wrote to the Ayanamsa concept presented by > Chandra Hari) and they can use it. And thus the better brains will be > saved much from the + or - related X or Y Ayanamsa - whether true or > false. [] > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandra Hari, > > > > I forgot to add that once the JC (Jesus Christ) Ayanamsa is aptly > > justified, one can wait for NJC or TRUE / NEW JC ayanamsa that will be > > a bit different maybe JC + 40 mins :-) > > > > Maybe all in due course of time, lol..... > > > > Recently there was someone who had Tarun Ayanamsa too which was very > > interesting too... so that this rate, we will get there in no time... > > > > Sit back, relax, fasten your seat belt and enjoy the ride..... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " kas@ > > wrote: > > > > > > -) > > > > > > Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses. > > > > > > Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP > Ayanamsa, > > > SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57 > > > Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers > > > predicting correctly, too using tropical. > > > > > > Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the > > > weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test > > > the ayanamsa. > > > > > > If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one > > > can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS, > > > same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you > > > gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as > > > well, with quite convincing arguments. > > > > > > Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has > > > changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa. > > > > > > Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and > 2 > > > together. > > > > > > After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the > laws > > > with intelligence :-) > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , " chandra_hari18 " > > > <chandra_hari18@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on > 01 > > > > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some > > research > > > > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus > > Christ > > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Goel, > > > > > > > > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that > this > > > > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming > though > > > > > our Parampara. > > > > > > > > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on > KN > > > > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, > and > > > > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it > > given > > > > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, > that > > > > > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > > > > > > > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. > > There > > > > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by > the > > > > > safeguarders of the parampara. > > > > > > > > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > > > > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he > > wrote the > > > > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was > > surprised that > > > > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later > years > > > > > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > > > > > > > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the > > dark and > > > > > working on some whim and fancy? > > > > > > > > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on > what > > > > > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > > > > > > > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use > > your > > > > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > > > > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test > > might be > > > > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might > > not be > > > > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper > > result. > > > > > > > > > > Taking an example > > > > > > > > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > > > > > > > > > 18th Nov 1971 > > > > > 2:55 AM > > > > > 8N29 > > > > > 76E55 > > > > > Trivandrum. > > > > > > > > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > > > > > > > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > > > > > > > > > As 11 Vi 59 > > > > > Su 2 Sc 18 > > > > > Mo 0 Sc 17 > > > > > Ma 13 Aq 39 > > > > > Me 23 Sc 20 > > > > > Ju 19 Sc 52 > > > > > Ve 23 Sc 28 > > > > > SaR 11 Ta 7 > > > > > Ra 16 Cp 24 > > > > > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and > cannot be > > > > > manipulated) > > > > > > > > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT > same > > > > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be > > > > tested) > > > > > > > > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify > anything > > > > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > > > > > > > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > > > > > > > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > > > > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > > > > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > > > > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > > > > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > > > > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > > > > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > > > > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > > > > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > > > > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > > > > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in > 4th > > > > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > > > > > > > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > > > > > > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > > > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > > > > > > > > > Now antra running at that time was > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha = Mercury > > > > > Antra = Guru > > > > > > > > > > Sectors = > > > > > > > > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > > > > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > > > > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > > > > > > > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will > happen in > > > > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > > > > > > > > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > > > > > > > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of > > TRANSIT OF > > > > SUN. > > > > > > > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > > > > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > > > > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR > THE > > > > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > > > > > > > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of > Mo > > > > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > > > > > > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > > > > > > > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 > march > > > > > 2008 and > > > > > > > > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > > > > > > > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s > > Lahiri. > > > > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as > compared > > > > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV > changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > > > > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > > > > > > > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that > are > > > > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN > > EVENT. > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to > > someone, who > > > > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. > You > > > > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri > > + 40 > > > > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > > > > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > > > > > > > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > > > > > > > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as > Mr > > > > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers > > around > > > > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the > vicinity of > > > > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > > > > > > > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, > > that > > > > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done > > more > > > > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > > > > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious > that > > > > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > > > > > > > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa > will be > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If > > that > > > > > is varying, anything can be justified. > > > > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD > OF > > > > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can > be > > > > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST > THE > > > > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has > been > > > > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the > greats of > > > > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > > > > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > > > > > > > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of > Krushnaji > > > > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is > and > > > > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL > ASTROLOGERS. > > > > > > > > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that > > Lahiri is > > > > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to > see > > > > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly > 1 > > > > > minute less has begun. > > > > > > > > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world > will > > > > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's > > > > Ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > I hope my point is clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel > > > > > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > > > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not > > > > encouraging. > > > > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific > > > > justification > > > > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > > > > > group. > > > > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should > > have > > > > > solid astronomical basis. > > > > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining > Ayanamsa > > > > > value. > > > > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > > > > > > TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = > > > > AYANAMSA+180degree > > > > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal > > longitude of > > > > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04 " , > > > > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 > sec. > > > > > for present era. > > > > > > Kindly go through my article on " concept of Vargottama " in > which > > > > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Krishna, Your wrote, //On some important subjects like this, the sages passed on the knowledge only orally to their trustworthy students. I could be wrong. But, one can not rule this out.// Ash : Amen to that. Continuing on the same thought, assuming if Lord Krushna came to this world and told that he is Lord Krushna then how many people will believe lol.... on the same thought process, if someone says that that ayanamsa is coming from the parampara, how many people will believe..... Interesting don't you think this conundrum ..... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for sharing your views. What you say makes lot of sense. > > Assuming that nothing on this subject is lost or not a family secret that is being managed by some paramparas, my pet theory is: > > On some important subjects like this, the sages passed on the knowledge only orally to their trustworthy students. I could be wrong. But, one can not rule this out. > > Regards, > Krishna > > " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > Anything said at this point would be our mere speculation. > > However, there can be many thoughts or speculations if I may > - Just because we do not find anything concrete in whatever little of the texts that are available today, that does not mean that our Sages have not said anything. Maybe they did say a lot, maybe books, but we might not have them today or they might be with some families or lost over time, or maybe it might be documented in some book which might be collecting dust on someone's desk and they might not know the value of what they have who knows? > - Maybe nothing was said as you have questioned. > - Maybe nothing was said intentionally, so that it would force people to think and ponder of this. > - Maybe things were said and documented by the sages just as so many things were given with such precisions, and maybe intentionally it might have been take out by some people over due course of time. > > I mean one can keep on speculating, but the bottom line, What is the truth? > > In the absence of clear cut value given by Maharishis, we can only search for this answer, by > > a) Finding consistent technique that works and then > b) Work backwards to find the proper ayanamsa which would become much easier once point a is clear cut. > > Each intelligent reader will have their own opinion, the above is mine. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Friday May 16, 2008 12:03 AM > > Re: Ayanamsa > > > > Dear Ash, > > I wonder why our sages have not stated anything in writing about Ayanamsha! It is such an important part of Astrology and yet no one seem to have explained it or even made a passing mention in their works. What could be the reason? > > Regards, > Krisna > > ashsam73 <kas wrote: > -) > > Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses. > > Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP Ayanamsa, > SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57 > Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers > predicting correctly, too using tropical. > > Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the > weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test > the ayanamsa. > > If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one > can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS, > same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you > gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as > well, with quite convincing arguments. > > Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has > changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa. > > Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and 2 > together. > > After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the laws > with intelligence :-) > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " chandra_hari18 " > <chandra_hari18@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01 > > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some research > > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus Christ > > ayanamsa. > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Goel, > > > > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this > > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though > > > our Parampara. > > > > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN > > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and > > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given > > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that > > > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > > > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There > > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the > > > safeguarders of the parampara. > > > > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the > > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that > > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years > > > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > > > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and > > > working on some whim and fancy? > > > > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what > > > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > > > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your > > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be > > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be > > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. > > > > > > Taking an example > > > > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > > > > > 18th Nov 1971 > > > 2:55 AM > > > 8N29 > > > 76E55 > > > Trivandrum. > > > > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > > > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > > > > > As 11 Vi 59 > > > Su 2 Sc 18 > > > Mo 0 Sc 17 > > > Ma 13 Aq 39 > > > Me 23 Sc 20 > > > Ju 19 Sc 52 > > > Ve 23 Sc 28 > > > SaR 11 Ta 7 > > > Ra 16 Cp 24 > > > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > > > > > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be > > > manipulated) > > > > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same > > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be > > tested) > > > > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything > > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > > > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > > > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > > > > > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th > > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > > > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > > > > > Now antra running at that time was > > > > > > Mahadasha = Mercury > > > Antra = Guru > > > > > > Sectors = > > > > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > > > > > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > > > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in > > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > > > > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > > > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF > > SUN. > > > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > > > > > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE > > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > > > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo > > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > > > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march > > > 2008 and > > > > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > > > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. > > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared > > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. > > > > > > > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > > > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are > > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. > > > > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who > > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You > > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 > > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > > > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > > > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr > > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around > > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of > > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > > > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that > > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more > > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that > > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > > > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be > > when > > > > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that > > > is varying, anything can be justified. > > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > > > > > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF > > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be > > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE > > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been > > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of > > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > > > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji > > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and > > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. > > > > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is > > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see > > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 > > > minute less has begun. > > > > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will > > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's > > Ayanamsa. > > > > > > I hope my point is clear. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , Gopal Goel > > > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not > > encouraging. > > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific > > justification > > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > > > group. > > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have > > > solid astronomical basis. > > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa > > > value. > > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > > > >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = > > AYANAMSA+180degree > > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of > > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04 " , > > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. > > > for present era. > > > > Kindly go through my article on " concept of Vargottama " in which > > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Ash,//Continuing on the same thought, assuming if Lord Krushna came to this world and told that he is Lord Krushna then how many people will believe lol....//Well, I don't have any doubts about it when I see so many self proclaimed 'Gods' command such a huge following in our country :-)Regards,Krishnaashsam73 <kas wrote: Dear Krishna, Your wrote, //On some important subjects like this, the sages passed on the knowledge only orally to their trustworthy students. I could be wrong. But, one can not rule this out.// Ash : Amen to that. Continuing on the same thought, assuming if Lord Krushna came to this world and told that he is Lord Krushna then how many people will believe lol.... on the same thought process, if someone says that that ayanamsa is coming from the parampara, how many people will believe..... Interesting don't you think this conundrum ..... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for sharing your views. What you say makes lot of sense. > > Assuming that nothing on this subject is lost or not a family secret that is being managed by some paramparas, my pet theory is: > > On some important subjects like this, the sages passed on the knowledge only orally to their trustworthy students. I could be wrong. But, one can not rule this out. > > Regards, > Krishna > > "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > Anything said at this point would be our mere speculation. > > However, there can be many thoughts or speculations if I may > - Just because we do not find anything concrete in whatever little of the texts that are available today, that does not mean that our Sages have not said anything. Maybe they did say a lot, maybe books, but we might not have them today or they might be with some families or lost over time, or maybe it might be documented in some book which might be collecting dust on someone's desk and they might not know the value of what they have who knows? > - Maybe nothing was said as you have questioned. > - Maybe nothing was said intentionally, so that it would force people to think and ponder of this. > - Maybe things were said and documented by the sages just as so many things were given with such precisions, and maybe intentionally it might have been take out by some people over due course of time. > > I mean one can keep on speculating, but the bottom line, What is the truth? > > In the absence of clear cut value given by Maharishis, we can only search for this answer, by > > a) Finding consistent technique that works and then > b) Work backwards to find the proper ayanamsa which would become much easier once point a is clear cut. > > Each intelligent reader will have their own opinion, the above is mine. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Friday May 16, 2008 12:03 AM > > Re: Ayanamsa > > > > Dear Ash, > > I wonder why our sages have not stated anything in writing about Ayanamsha! It is such an important part of Astrology and yet no one seem to have explained it or even made a passing mention in their works. What could be the reason? > > Regards, > Krisna > > ashsam73 <kas wrote: > -) > > Maybe and maybe not, again that depends on what technique one uses. > > Actually I have seen KP chaps predict with accuracy using KP Ayanamsa, > SJC folks predicting with first Lahiri and then now its Lahiri - 57 > Seconds, then, and then even why forget the Western Astrologers > predicting correctly, too using tropical. > > Again, the chain is as strong as its weakest link, and here the > weakest link is in nailing down the technique and then one can test > the ayanamsa. > > If you take KP Ayanamsa, and run it though using SJC techniques, one > can boldly prediction, KP Ayanaamsa does not GIVE PROMISING RESULTS, > same way, Sanjay Rath on his website, checked the Ayanamsa that you > gave and compared that with Lahiri, on Sirla Prabhupada's chart as > well, with quite convincing arguments. > > Then again, that might not hold true as the base of comparision has > changed from Lahiri to the now new TRUE ayanamsa. > > Rest I leave it to intelligent student of this shastra to put 2 and 2 > together. > > After all, wasn't it the maharishis who have mentioned to use the laws > with intelligence :-) > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , "chandra_hari18" > <chandra_hari18@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Some people are getting amazing results when the Zodiac begins on 01 > > January 1 AD, 00:00 Noon with sun at 00:00'. You can have some research > > in this Parampara too. The related ayanamsa can be called Jesus Christ > > ayanamsa. > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Goel, > > > > > > I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this > > > is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though > > > our Parampara. > > > > > > Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN > > > Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and > > > this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given > > > that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that > > > it was based on PARAMPARA. > > > > > > Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There > > > is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the > > > safeguarders of the parampara. > > > > > > The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, > > > there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the > > > date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that > > > I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > > > Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years > > > started to move much away from Lahiri. > > > > > > Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and > > > working on some whim and fancy? > > > > > > Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what > > > basis was an ayanamsa tested? > > > > > > If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your > > > own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get > > > encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be > > > different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be > > > disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. > > > > > > Taking an example > > > > > > Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. > > > > > > 18th Nov 1971 > > > 2:55 AM > > > 8N29 > > > 76E55 > > > Trivandrum. > > > > > > Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. > > > > > > Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 > > > > > > As 11 Vi 59 > > > Su 2 Sc 18 > > > Mo 0 Sc 17 > > > Ma 13 Aq 39 > > > Me 23 Sc 20 > > > Ju 19 Sc 52 > > > Ve 23 Sc 28 > > > SaR 11 Ta 7 > > > Ra 16 Cp 24 > > > Ke 16 Cn 24 > > > > > > > > > KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be > > > manipulated) > > > > > > (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same > > > BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be > > tested) > > > > > > (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything > > > based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) > > > > > > Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. > > > > > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 > > > 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 > > > 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 > > > 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 > > > 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 > > > 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 > > > 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 > > > 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 > > > 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 > > > 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 > > > 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 > > > > > > > > > Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th > > > lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. > > > > > > For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS > > > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. > > > > > > Now antra running at that time was > > > > > > Mahadasha = Mercury > > > Antra = Guru > > > > > > Sectors = > > > > > > Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 > > > Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 > > > Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 > > > > > > > > > So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. > > > > > > Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in > > > 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com) > > > > > > Now after 30th January 2008, > > > > > > the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF > > SUN. > > > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb > > > Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb > > > Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar > > > > > > > > > As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE > > > EVENT IS TRIGGERED. > > > > > > So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo > > > and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less > > > > > > Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa > > > 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 > > > > > > > > > Anything over 12 is considered powerful. > > > > > > So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march > > > 2008 and > > > > > > Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. > > > > > > Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. > > > The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared > > > to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. > > > > > > > > > Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some > > > justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. > > > > > > KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are > > > REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. > > > > > > Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who > > > has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You > > > will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 > > > mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your > > > technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. > > > > > > Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. > > > > > > Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr > > > Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around > > > Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of > > > about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. > > > > > > About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that > > > maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more > > > research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins > > > wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that > > > there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. > > > > > > So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be > > when > > > > > > 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that > > > is varying, anything can be justified. > > > 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. > > > > > > > > > In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF > > > JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be > > > gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE > > > CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been > > > propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of > > > Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to > > > REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. > > > > > > The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji > > > and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and > > > based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. > > > > > > This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is > > > proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see > > > that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 > > > minute less has begun. > > > > > > So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will > > > come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's > > Ayanamsa. > > > > > > I hope my point is clear. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , Gopal Goel > > > gkgoel1937@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. ASH, > > > > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not > > encouraging. > > > > More over I could not find any convincing scientific > > justification > > > of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > > > > group. > > > > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have > > > solid astronomical basis. > > > > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa > > > value. > > > > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: > > > >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = > > AYANAMSA+180degree > > > > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of > > > Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04", > > > > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. > > > for present era. > > > > Kindly go through my article on "concept of Vargottama" in which > > > number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear R.W.Wilkinsonji, Your assertions do not prove anything. Prove to me by quoting any ancient text if the Makar Sankranti was observed on the Winter Solstice day when the Winter Solstice occurred in the the Kumbha rashi or the Meena Rashi or even the Mesha rashi. Your verbosity would not prove you right. Please do not take it as an insult and better accept with grace that Makar Sankranti has nothing to do with the Winter Solstice even though the Winter Solstice also has its own merit and importance. There is no point in arguing with an adamant person lijke you. Regards nonetheless, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote: Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwRe: [WAVES-Vedic] RE: Fwd: An Important Mattersunil_bhattacharjya, waves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, , Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:11 AM  Dear Sunil K. Bhattacharjya-ji, I have made it abundantly clear that the eternal and unchanging link between the Makar Sankranti, the Winter Solstice and the Uttaranya is based upon the Tropical Sayana Zodiac which was exactly what was prescribed by the Vedic Rishis. I have explained in detail why this is true and its significance to the question of Calendar reform. The deepest proofs of what I have written here are gained by the lived experience of these cyclic correspondences attuned to the true Sayana Vedic Calendar. I see no point in discussing this any further. My advice to you Sunil-ji is that you should accept what you cannot understand in total humility and not argue about things of which you have no direct knowledge. RW - Sunil Bhattacharjya waves-vedic ; robtw Cc: vedicscience ; atlantavedictemple ; deenbc ; jyotirved ; harimalla ; ; Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:58 PM Re: [WAVES-Vedic] RE: Fwd: An Important Matter Dear Shri R.E.Wilkinsonji, Namaste, You have forgotten that the issue under discussion was that there was not established permanent / eternal link between the Makar Rashi and the Uttarayana and that the Uttarayana occurs in the Makar Rashi for about twenty two centuries at a time and it reccurs only after a huge time gap of a number of millennia. You are writing to me as if you do not know the difference between the Sidereal calendar and the Tropical calendar. I have already explained in my earlier post that in the ancient times the word "Nirayana" was not used as there was no need for it and so also the word "Ayanamsha" too was not used. Only when the astronomers gave up watching the sky then they started depending on the observation of the relative solar positions for finding out the Ayanamsha so that they can find the Sidereal positions without looking at the sky. The past Siddhantas need correction from time to time and observation of the sky was mandatory in the ancient times. For your information the nakshatras are not termed irregular. They are fixed and they were recognised as where they are. You have forgotten about the twelve equal divisions while talking about the 360 spokes. These tweve divisions have the groups of Nakshatras (Rashi) and I have explained the nomeclature of these in the earlier post. The Nirayana Zodiac is too divided into 360 degrees and each Rashi has a spread of 30 degrees. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya you are basing your conclusions on the Nirayana Sidereal system of calendar measure with its irregular Constellations and shifting ayanamsha. This is not only unreliable and confusing but worst of all it is un-Vedic. It directly contradicts the verses in the Rig Veda that describe “One wheel of three-hundred and sixty spokes, firmly riveted, that shake not in the least.†--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote: Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwRe: [WAVES-Vedic] RE: Fwd: An Important Mattersunil_bhattacharjya, waves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, hinducivilization ,deenbc, jyotirved, harimallaDate: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:31 AM  Namaste Sunil K. Bhattacharj-ji Thank you for your reply. If you would be so kind, please provide me with the exact citation where Sri Aurobindo discusses the date of the Mahabharata war. The root of your error is plainly evident. When you write that, “…for nearly twenty two centuries the Uttarayana did take place in the Makar Rashi. but we have to live in the present situation when the Uttarayana does not occur in the Makar Rashi†, you are basing your conclusions on the Nirayana Sidereal system of calendar measure with its irregular Constellations and shifting ayanamsha. This is not only unreliable and confusing but worst of all it is un-Vedic. It directly contradicts the verses in the Rig Veda that describe “One wheel of three-hundred and sixty spokes, firmly riveted, that shake not in the least.†This ‘One Wheel’ is the eternal and unchanging Tropical zodiac or Sayana system used by the Rishis to precisely measure the Earth in its yearly passage around the ecliptic as well as a corresponding movement in the individual. The errors of the Nirayana system, to which you evidently , arose with the hegemony of scientific relativism into the realm of the sacred when the astronomer usurped the role of the sage and seer and proclaimed objective astronomical measurement to be the final authority in calendar matters. All that you have written to support your contention that there is no meaningful connection between Makar Sankranti, the Capricorn Solstice and Uttarayana, the northward journey of Sun is, in the final analysis, a direct contradiction of the Dharma. Open your mind and listen to the words of the world’s leading Seer and Vedic Cosmologist on these important matters: “…We speak glibly of a SANTANA Dharma, the 'eternal' Law. But what sort of eternal law, and consequent stability, can a shifting calendar provide the Hindu Samaj? The FLOATING AYANAMSHAS in vogue today, which bear no sanction in the Veda, are anything but stable and constant. Each second that passes of our Earth time causes that distant sidereal point light-years away to change position, thereby making that Ayanamsha with each passing second inoperable and inapplicable for any ritual. If the pundit is sincere to his trade, he must know this. He must know that yesterday's Ayanamsha cannot be held today as valid because IT HAS SHIFTED IN THE HEAVENS, perhaps slightly, but shifted it has. Today it is not where it was yesterday. And if we add to this the complete impossibility to determine just where and what that Ayanamsha might be, then we understand why there is total confusion among the ranks of the pundits. And Hinduism suffers an increasing deterioration accordingly, with each ritual that propagates this illusion. Absolutism of the eternal Dharma lies within our grasp if we take the same Journey the Veda pre-scribes, poised on the immutable four Cardinal Points: the March Equinox - Cosmic Dawn; the June Solstice - Cosmic Midnight; the September Equinox - Cosmic Sunset; and last but best of all, the December Solstice - Cosmic Midday or Uttarayana, the highest position of the Sun whereby as a single Ray (the lost Sun hidden by Vritra) it descends to the Earth casting no shadows. And therefore it is known as the period of Victory for the Aryan Warrior; or, in the larger cycles of time, as the Golden Age, the Satya Yuga. We need to understand the 'seed' nature of the Makar Sankranti and how it can be said that this is an experience of both the Earth, the individual and of the collective Hindu Samaj, all simultaneously on that very special Solstice. This is understood when we realise that Time itself is compressed to a seed at the De-cember Solstice. The 'shortest day of the year' has no other factual significance for inhabitants of our special planet than this: compression to a point, compaction to a seed. The light of the Sun, those divine Cows/Rays, is compressed to this point-experience of Time when its measure reaches the extremes of itself [the Solstice or SHORTEST day of the year]. And then when the [Makar] Sankranti is observed with the right 'combination' - the right harmony of the Earth to the Ecliptic - the entire Hindu Samaj connects itself through this 'seed-point' to the replenishing Source from which it originally sprang. Today as in aeons gone by, it can drink once again of the waters the Goddess Mahasaraswati benignly releases abroad upon the world. “Thea†Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet, THE MAKAR SANKRANTI - Winter Solstice RE Wilkinson - Sunil Bhattacharjya waves-vedic Cc: robtw ; vedicscience ; atlantavedictemple ; hinducivilization ; deenbc ; jyotirved ; harimalla Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:54 PM Re: [WAVES-Vedic] RE: Fwd: An Important Matter Namaste R.E.Wilkinsonji, Namaste, You wrote as follows: Quote What you write is very interesting indeed but it fails to grasp the underlying truth of the Makar Sankranti and the Capricorn Gateway. Because of this, your conclusions regarding the Makar Sankranti and Winter Solstice, the Sayana and Nirayana systems are completely incorrect. unquote On the contrary you have not understood the difference between the significance of Makara Sankranti and that of Uttarayana. You have referred to Sri Aurobindo. Starting from the day when Lele taught him how to meditate he did advance to high level of thought. But all that Sri Aurobindo said are not to be taken blindly. He said that the Mahabharata war took place in 1190 BCE and we now know that he was wrong from the archaeological evidence itself as the river Saraswati dried up much before 1190 BCE and that at the time of the Mahabharata war it was flowing and Balarama's going to the Saraswati is mentioned in the Mahabharata.. You have quoted from the Rig Veda. Agreed that Brahmanaspati (Brihaspati) did make the knowledge appear (or known) that the certain eternal worlds came into being, which open their doors with moons ( bright and dark fortnights) and autumns (seasons) and that these (the eternal worlds) move effortlessly from one to another, but it did not link up the Makar Rashi with any season. In the Chapter 8 of the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna describes the path by which the yogi, who has known the Brahman departs. Lord Krishna also describes the path by which the yogi, who is disciplined but has not realised Brahman, goes. Other sources such as the Chandogya Upanishad, Baudhayana smriti, Shiva gita and Kurma purana give details of these aspects but nowhere they have linked up Makar Sankranti with Uttarayana. Different ancient texts, composed at different time periods, mention a particular season occurring at different Nakshatras which shows that the seasons are not tied to the Nakshatras and as the Winter season starts with the Uttarayana so also the Uttarayana should also be not linked to any Nakshatra or Rashi. Makar Sankramana is about Sankramana of the Makar rashi. As I said before that for nearly twenty two centuries the Uttarayana did take place in the Makar Rashi. but we have to live in the present situation when the Uttarayana does not occur in the Makar Rashi. If you have any doubt abiout the real meaning of rashi, please go to my last mail. Let the truth prevail. It is not late for the astrologers, who did not know this, to correct themselves and recognise that Winter Solstice need not be linked up with the Makar Sankramana. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote: Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwRe: [WAVES-Vedic] RE: Fwd: An Important Mattersunil_bhattacharjyaCc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, HinduCalendar , hinducivilization , waves-vedic , deenbc, jyotirved, harimallaDate: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:16 AM  Namaste Sunil K. Bhattacharjya-ji What you write is very interesting indeed but it fails to grasp the underlying truth of the Makar Sankranti and the Capricorn Gateway. Because of this, your conclusions regarding the Makar Sankranti and Winter Solstice, the Sayana and Nirayana systems are completely incorrect. These are matters of Veda, obtained through Shruti as you mentioned. But in order to secure a higher understanding of these important matters we must go back to the Vedic scriptures themselves. As a matter of curiosity, How many of you on this study group have even read Sri Aurobindo’s “Secret of the Veda� If this group is truly about Vedic Studies, we must get serious about it and go directly to the source. That said, there is no better authority on the Veda than Sri Aurobindo. He has plainly stated that the Vedas are the oldest extant spiritual scriptures on earth. Its name, “Veda†- the Knowledge, is the received name for the highest spiritual truth of which the human mind is capable. Over the millennia however this high knowledge became lost or corrupted. “As the Veda had passed from the sage to the priest, wrote Sri Aurobindo, so now it began to pass from the hands of the priest into the hands of the scholar. And in that keeping it suffered the last mutilation of its sense and the last diminution of its true dignity and sanctity.†What we are seeing today on WAVES is a continuation of that mutilation and diminution… not through scholars, but through self-important pseudo-scholars like Yeshu Rathenam who are given free rein to post comments that the Veda are a “worthless set of books. This has to stop! Among the many secrets of the Veda given by the ancient sages, are precise instructions, yogic techniques, the goal of which is to help us ascend beyond our mortal mentality to the luminous truth of our being on the spiritual plane of our existence. The Rishis are quite plain spoken on this account. The secret of secrets, the greatest mystery of the Veda is a supremely enlightened state “Swar†which results from a perfect alignment of the individual with the twelve months of the sacrificial year. "Certain eternal worlds are these which have come into being, their doors are shut to you (or opened) by the months and the years. Without effort one world moves in the other, and it is these that Brihaspati has made manifest to knowledge" Rig Veda (II.24.5) These secret eternal worlds have been closed to us by our misperception of the movement of time. The months and the years, therefore have to be re-discovered and created in us by that same power. This, says the Rishi, is the mightiest work, the fairest achievement and it hinges on the conquest of time. “The Vedic idea was that the subconscient darkness and the ordinary life of ignorance held concealed in it all that belongs to the divine life and that these secret riches must be recovered first by destroying the impenitent powers of ignorance and then by possessing the lower life subjected to the higher.†Sri Aurobindo, Secret of the Veda (p. 238) What we are interested in writes Sri Aurobindo, is the process by which one is able to release the soul’s light and come to know and live the higher stages of the journey and in so doing, developing ‘the unity of the nine-rayed and the ten-rayed seers who by the utter thought of the soul, by the word that illumines broke open the fortified pens ...' This then is the Vedic sacrifice: ‘ a journey; indeed the sacrifice itself is described as travelling, as journeying to a divine goal; and the journey and the sacrifice are continually spoken of as a battle against the dark powers.' Ibid, (p. 183) '. . . the possession of our complete divine consciousness delivered from all falsehood by the free descent of the truth, gives us the secure possession of the world of Swar and the enjoyment of mental and physical being lifted into the godhead above the darkness, falsehood and death by the in-streaming of our divine elements. This victory is won in twelve periods of the upward journey, represented by the revolution of the twelve months of the sacrificial year, the periods corresponding to the successive dawns of a wider and wider truth, until the tenth secures the victory. What may be the precise significance of the nine rays and the ten, is a more difficult question which we are not yet in a position to solve*. But the light we have already is sufficient to illuminate all the main imagery of the Rig Veda.' Ibid (p. 182) In his Secret of the Veda, Sri Aurobindo described these worlds of Swar as “Godheads†but it was not until the cosmological discoveries made by “Thea†Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet that these symbols, Vedic “godheads†of “the nine rays and the ten†were revealed to be synonymous with and referring to the 9th and 10th months of the cosmic year: Sagittarius and Capricorn. And, according to the Rishi, it is in the Tenth Month (CAPRICORN) that the final Victory is achieved. It is for this reason and none other that the Makar Sankranti, the Capricorn Gateway, is the most important ritual date in the Hindu Calendar. Perhaps you will now understand why it is so important that the true Makar Sankranti (Winter Solstice) be observed on 21 December and not 14 January. In the service of Truth, RE Wilkinson - Sunil Bhattacharjya Robert E. Wilkinson Monday, February 23, 2009 7:47 PM Re: [WAVES-Vedic] RE: Fwd: An Important Matter Dear Robert E. wilkinsonji, Namaste, The astrologers like AKK show concern at Makar Sankranti being observed about three weeks after the Winter Solstice but they never care to know what is the true meaning of the Makar Sankranti. Makar is the Makar rashi and Sankranti means the act of Sankraman or intrusion. So Makar Sankranti has to when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. AKK and others never care to know why Makar Rashi is considered important. Shravana nakshatra is in the Makar rashi and this is Nakshatra ruled by Shri Hari. Shravana and Shruti has the same origin and Shruti is the Veda. Shravana is considered asthe Nakshatra of the Veda-Mata Saraswati. Before Abhijit Nakshatra, whose ruler is Brahmaa, moved away to become the Pole-star, Abhijit used to be a Nakshatra in the makar rashi. Appropriately Makar rashi was called the Brahma rashi in the Mahabharata. Astrologically also the Makar Rashi is considered to be Rashi of Bharatvarsha. Thus the Makar Rashi has a unique position and the Sun's entry into the Makar Rashi is an important event. Thus the Makar Sankranti has been and will be observed when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. Now it is also true that at one time the Winter Solstice did take place in the Makar Rashi for close to twenty two centuries. Even the latitudinal line at the point of the Winter Solstice had begun to be called as the Makar Rekha or the Tropic of Capricorn and this was appropriate only as long as the Wlnter Solstice occurred in the true Makar Rashi. So AKK and others think that Makar Sankranti and Winter Solstice are synonymous, forgetting that this can only happen only for close to twenty two centuries at a time and then wait for close to twenty four Millennia for that to reoccur. This is not to say that the Winter Solstice has no importance. The Tropical Calendar cannot do without the recognising the Winter Solstice. So the Tropical calendar has to learn to coexist with the Sidereal calendar. If those who want to observe the Winter Solstice as the Uttarayana day can observe it by all means. So let us have one additional festival day on the Uttarayana day for those who want to onserve that rather than trying to annul the Makar Sankranti festival on the day when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote: Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwRe: [WAVES-Vedic] RE: Fwd: An Important Mattersunil_bhattacharjya, harimallaCc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, HinduCalendar , hinducivilization , waves-vedic , deenbc, jyotirvedDate: Monday, February 23, 2009, 7:55 AM Namaste Hari Mala-ji, Thank you for your response and the interesting information about the Makar. You bring up some interesting points in your letter which I feel the need to address in some detail. Let me begin with your request that those of us interested in Calendar Reform do this through a "concerted effort and if possible without changing any of the current practices and by not insisting on any particular method. It is your belief that this would be the best type of reform and acceptable to most". I am sure you have the best of intentions but your reply reveals exactly what is WRONG with the general attitude surrounding these important matters. Let me explain: First, it is virtually impossible to reform the calendar through a concerted effort given the wide gaps in understanding evidenced by these discussions on WAVES. I agree with you that Dr. Arya is worthy of praise but, in my opinion, the scholarship of Krishen Kaul and Yeshu Rathenam does not rise to that level. Nevertheless you would prefer that we find an inclusive solution, without changing the current practices and acceptable to most. In other words you would be comfortable with some kind of compromise that doesn’t rock the boat. You are evidently unaware that when it comes to matters of Higher Truth and the cosmological absolutes that the Veda prescribes, compromise is simply not an option. What is required is credible LEADERSHIP that can expose the fallacious logic that so often passes for wisdom on this discussion group. What I find simply unbelievable is that many of the members of WAVES, people who supposedly have some knowledge of the Veda, accept the pretentious posturing of AKK as gospel while virtually ignoring the authoritative statements of Veda masters like Sri Aurobindo, “Thea†Patrizia-Norelli-Bachelet and Swami Dayananda Saraswati. No discrimination is made between the opinions of scholars and the direct knowledge of the sage. Naturally this results in an environment of mass confusion out of which true Calendar Reform cannot emerge. And what is the result? One of the esteemed leaders of a Vedic Temple in the US reads what I have written on calendar reform and, not being a Sanskritist or Jyotish scholar himself, he writes and asks AKK to set him straight out of his vast experience and knowledge. Here is someone who holds a position of trust and leadership in the religious community, responsible for the spiritual guidance of others, and he has no understanding of these important matters. I have written him on several occasions to ask for a fair hearing but, because of his faith in AKK, I have not received even the courtesy of a reply. So this man, having placed his confidence in a person of no realization and preferring not to rock the boat, returns to his flock and leads them on a path of Adharma rather than make a sincere effort to establish what is and is not the truth of the Veda. Now multiply this by tens of thousands and you have some idea of the problem we must overcome to re-establish the Sanatana Dharma. So to answer your question, No! we cannot give in to compromise. No! we cannot continue the current Nirayana practices and Yes!, we must insist on the method laid down in the Veda if we are to have any meaningful reform of the Calendar. As for the names of the temples in India that have embraced the beginnings of Calendar reform, you will find them listed on my website http://www.vediccosmology.com. In the service of truth, RE Wilkinson Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release 2/23/2009 7:17 AM Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release 2/23/2009 7:17 AM Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release 2/23/2009 7:17 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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