Methodology for results from House Lord in any house (Sreenadhji, pls. verif

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Dear Kiran ji,

Looking at the interest many take in your post, I am providing my

feed back about your statements below:

==>

> Planet in its own house (by implication: exaltation and friend's

> house also) will give very good results for everything signified by

> the house My understanding is that since the planet in own house is

> strong, it gives good results.

<==

Right - but too generalized. To quote an opposite result that goes

against this " 8th lord even if exalted in 5th can cause loss of children "

==>

> House lord if benefic will strengthen the effects of the house it is

> in. House lord if malefic will weaken the effects of the house that

> it is in. So if the House lord is in sustana, it will

> increase/decrease effects of sustana as per its benefic/malefic

> nature. Reverse is true for dustana. My understanding is that to

> look at nature of the house lord, we should go by its functional

> beneficity nature as per lagna (e.g: for Cancer Lagna, Kuja is

> benefic) and not by the natural benefic/malefic nature.

<==

Right to certain extend - but again too generalized. No planet

strengthens or weakens the effect of a house - but only allows the

results to pass through its lens (there by contaminating it - either

in good direction or in bad direction). Both the functional

benefic/malefic consideration and natural benefic/malefic

consideration is going to fail you in this regard. Even

functional/natural benefic can indicate many bad results and even

functional/natural malefic can indicate many good results.

==>

> Rule 3:

> See what house the house lord aspects from the house that it is

> situated by way of Graha drishti (generally 7th house from it but

> special cases exist). Depending on the nature of the house lord, it

> will give good/bad results of the house that it aspects

<==

Right. But not only based on nature of house (for which it is lord),

but also based on the nature of the planet itself.

==>

> Rule 4:

> If the house lord is in enemy house or debilitated, it will not give

> fruit to the results that is signified by it.

<==

Wrong. Where ever the planet be it will give fructify the results it

signifies - it is the quality of the results that gets affected; if

the planet is debilitated or in enemy house - in bad direction. But

definitely the strength or weakness of the planet does not bind it

from indicating results - it is only the direction (positive or

negative) or amount (more or less) that gets affected.

Hope this helps.

Note: Hope the above itself clarifies why generalization can be

misleading.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

> You took the wrong turn. The continuation of that thread should be -

> * 2nd Lord in various houses

> * 3rd Lord in various houses

> * 4th Lord in various houses and so on.

> Trying to derive rules for " house lords in various houses " is wrong

> turn many already took and the slokas relating to the same is

> available in plenty in many books, and became one of the base reason

> for confutation among astrologers. Too much generalizing can cause

> more trouble than help. Actually 3 to 5 slokas (i.e. less than 10

> rules approx) is enough to cover this whole subject of house lord in

> various houses.

> Actually one of my major intentions in preparing that write up

> on 'Lagna lord in various houses' was itself to help people avoid

> this wrong turn. But any way, a good learning effort and so all the

> best in your studies.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " kiran.rama "

> <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > Sreenadhji,

> >

> > Similar to your post " Lagna lord in various houses " , I have tried to

> > come up with a post on " House Lord in different houses "

> >

> > Following are the general rules I have formed based on your Lagna

> lord

> > in any house post and some of my understanding from books as well:

> > Pls. verify that these are all correct and let me know if any

> > additions are required:

> >

> > Henceforth HL will refer to the " House Lord "

> > Say we are analyzing the 3rd house lord, then HL refers to it

> >

> > Rule 1:

> > Planet in its own house (by implication: exaltation and friend's

> house

> > also) will give very good results for everything signified by the

> house

> > My understanding is that since the planet in own house is

> strong, it

> > gives good results.

> >

> > Sub rule: If malefics are present in the own house, then the bad

> > effects of the house are amplified

> >

> >

> > Rule 2:

> > House lord if benefic will strengthen the effects of the house it is

> > in. House lord if malefic will weaken the effects of the house that

> it

> > is in

> > So if the House lord is in sustana, it will increase/decrease

> effects

> > of sustana as per its benefic/malefic nature. Reverse is true for

> dustana

> >

> > My understanding is that to look at nature of the house lord,

> we

> > should go by its functional beneficity nature as per lagna (e.g: for

> > Cancer Lagna, Kuja is benefic) and not by the natural

> benefic/malefic

> > nature. Sreenadhji, pls. confirm

> >

> > Rule 3:

> > See what house the house lord aspects from the house that it is

> > situated by way of Graha drishti (generally 7th house from it but

> > special cases exist). Depending on the nature of the house lord, it

> > will give good/bad results of the house that it aspects

> > Graha drishti can be treated similar to placement in that house

> > Here again, do we natural benefic or do we take functional

> benefic.

> > Sreenadhji, pls. confirm

> >

> > Rule 4:

> > If the house lord is in enemy house or debilitated, it will not give

> > fruit to the results that is signified by it.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

>

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Respected Sreenadhji, Goelji and Udupaji,Based on feedback from all of you, I have revised the rules.I have incorporated all of Sreenadhji's inputs, Udupaji inputs and Goelji inputs.Goelji: I have added your input in Rule 1 and Udupaji: Your rule is added in Rule 2. Sreenadhji: I have reworded all the rules to incorporate your feedback.Sreenadhji, the exception case brought out by you has been explained with example in Rule 1. I thank you once again because the entire rule based concept is inspired by your masterpiece "Lagna Lord in various houses" document and I am indebted to you. Let us all work together and modify the rules below so that we can have a systemic approach that may not be true in all 100% cases but certainly in atleast 75-80% of the cases.Rule 1: Is the house lord in friend's house or own house or moolatrikona sign or exaltation sign?A planet in its friend's house, own house, moolatrikona and

exaltation signs will strengthen the results signified by the the house of which it is the lordPlease note this can mean positive for good things signified by the house and negative for bad things signified by the house[To explain Sreenadhji's query: 8th lord exalted in 5th is strong. SO it will mean strengthening of results signified by 8th house. 8th house is the house of death and so it signifies death. As it is in the 5th house, we have to associate death with 5th house and 5th house is children, so it signifies the death of children]If house lord is in exaltation or friend's sign, good results are also controlled by the dispositorRule 2:Which house is the house lord in?House lord will give the results of the house that it is in. It will provide results of the house, which maybe good or bad depending on (i) The planet nature(ii) THe house natureRule 3:Which house does the house lord aspect by way or Graha

Drishti? What is the nature of the house lord?Results are similar to Rule 2House Lord (called planet here) will give the results of the house that it aspects by way of Graha Drishti. It will provide results of the house, which maybe good or bad depending on(i) The planet nature(ii) The house nature[Example: If the planet on which it has graha drishti was dustana, and house lord is benefic, it will amplify results of the dustana house resulting in bad results. On other hand if house lord is malefic and it is aspecting a dustana, then it will reduce results of dustana and give bad results]Rule 4:Is the house lord in enemy house or debilitated?A planet in its enemy house or debilitation will weaken the results that are signified by the house of which it is the lord. As in rule 1, this can mean positive or negative results.Rule 5:Associate the houses in every way possible?E.g: as we did in Rule 1. 8th lord is

in 5th house. 8th house signifies death and 5th house children. associate 8th and 5th in unidirectional way i.e. Lordship house-> Resident houseI look forward to participation from the group so that we can refine these rules/add new rules so that anybody can easily analyze D-1. Sreenadhji, We in the group look forward to your guidance to add as many rules as possible and refine the rulesJai Gurudev!ThankskiranSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kiran ji, Looking at the interest many take in your

post, I am providing my feed back about your statements below: ==> > Planet in its own house (by implication: exaltation and friend's > house also) will give very good results for everything signified by > the house My understanding is that since the planet in own house is > strong, it gives good results. <== Right - but too generalized. To quote an opposite result that goes against this "8th lord even if exalted in 5th can cause loss of children" ==> > House lord if benefic will strengthen the effects of the house it is > in. House lord if malefic will weaken the effects of the house that > it is in. So if the House lord is in sustana, it will > increase/decrease effects of sustana as per its benefic/malefic > nature. Reverse is true for dustana. My understanding is that to > look at nature of the house lord, we should go by its functional >

beneficity nature as per lagna (e.g: for Cancer Lagna, Kuja is > benefic) and not by the natural benefic/malefic nature. <== Right to certain extend - but again too generalized. No planet strengthens or weakens the effect of a house - but only allows the results to pass through its lens (there by contaminating it - either in good direction or in bad direction). Both the functional benefic/malefic consideration and natural benefic/malefic consideration is going to fail you in this regard. Even functional/natural benefic can indicate many bad results and even functional/natural malefic can indicate many good results. ==> > Rule 3: > See what house the house lord aspects from the house that it is > situated by way of Graha drishti (generally 7th house from it but > special cases exist). Depending on the nature of the house lord, it > will give good/bad results of the house that it

aspects <== Right. But not only based on nature of house (for which it is lord), but also based on the nature of the planet itself. ==> > Rule 4: > If the house lord is in enemy house or debilitated, it will not give > fruit to the results that is signified by it. <== Wrong. Where ever the planet be it will give fructify the results it signifies - it is the quality of the results that gets affected; if the planet is debilitated or in enemy house - in bad direction. But definitely the strength or weakness of the planet does not bind it from indicating results - it is only the direction (positive or negative) or amount (more or less) that gets affected. Hope this helps. Note: Hope the above itself clarifies why generalization can be misleading. Love, Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Kiran ji, > You took the wrong turn. The continuation of that thread should be - > * 2nd Lord in various houses > * 3rd Lord in various houses > * 4th Lord in various houses and so on. > Trying to derive rules for "house lords in various houses" is wrong > turn many already took and the slokas relating to the same is > available in plenty in many books, and became one of the base reason > for confutation among astrologers. Too much generalizing can cause > more trouble than help. Actually 3 to 5 slokas (i.e. less than 10 > rules approx) is enough to cover this whole subject of house lord in > various houses. > Actually one of my major intentions in preparing that write up > on

'Lagna lord in various houses' was itself to help people avoid > this wrong turn. But any way, a good learning effort and so all the > best in your studies. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , "kiran.rama" > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > Similar to your post "Lagna lord in various houses", I have tried to > > come up with a post on "House Lord in different houses" > > > > Following are the general rules I have formed based on your Lagna > lord > > in any house post and some of my understanding from books as well: > > Pls. verify that these are all correct and let me know if any > > additions are required: > > > > Henceforth HL will refer to the

"House Lord" > > Say we are analyzing the 3rd house lord, then HL refers to it > > > > Rule 1: > > Planet in its own house (by implication: exaltation and friend's > house > > also) will give very good results for everything signified by the > house > > My understanding is that since the planet in own house is > strong, it > > gives good results. > > > > Sub rule: If malefics are present in the own house, then the bad > > effects of the house are amplified > > > > > > Rule 2: > > House lord if benefic will strengthen the effects of the house it is > > in. House lord if malefic will weaken the effects of the house that > it > > is in > > So if the House lord is in sustana, it will increase/decrease > effects > > of sustana as per its benefic/malefic

nature. Reverse is true for > dustana > > > > My understanding is that to look at nature of the house lord, > we > > should go by its functional beneficity nature as per lagna (e.g: for > > Cancer Lagna, Kuja is benefic) and not by the natural > benefic/malefic > > nature. Sreenadhji, pls. confirm > > > > Rule 3: > > See what house the house lord aspects from the house that it is > > situated by way of Graha drishti (generally 7th house from it but > > special cases exist). Depending on the nature of the house lord, it > > will give good/bad results of the house that it aspects > > Graha drishti can be treated similar to placement in that house > > Here again, do we natural benefic or do we take functional > benefic. > > Sreenadhji, pls. confirm > > > > Rule 4: > >

If the house lord is in enemy house or debilitated, it will not give > > fruit to the results that is signified by it. > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > >

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Dear Kiran ji,

Goal ji is right. Just to help you out in your prediction results -

I will present you a different recipe in another write up. Possibly

by tomorrow.

* As the first step, Take that path, apply, and observe the results.

* As the second step, I will provide one more write up, (this time

aimed at house lords), take that path, apply, observe the results -

But then don't ask doubts related to that to me - but instead keep it

in your mind. The second write-up will take much time to digest.

* Third, take the path shown in my write-up on 'Lagna lord in

various houses' and then take the same path as suggested by me such as

'2nd lord in various houses', '3rd lord in various houses' and so on.

 

By the way let me show you the main draw back of the rules you are

trying to derive -

* They DOES NOT PROVIDE any results, but astrology is to derive

RESULTS! (And is becoming more and more complex with your every effort

to make them better - seems as if ultimately to become inscrutable and

may be later too much confusing, and yet lacking the efficiency in

reaching the `results'!)

Read the above statement carefully many times and try to see the

difference - with the actual path and the path you took.

Also note that it is very reason that made many astrologers imbeciles

- lacking the results. (Don't get irritated by the word 'imbeciles' -

it is used just to represent an idea). Every statement made by the

astrologer should be pregnant with RESULTS, and most importantly those

results should be VISIBLE to the astrologer himself, or anyone else

who is looking at the statements made by him.

Know it as a RULE and if you want to take my guidance - my coming two

write-ups are dedicated to you.

Note: Just go though my coming write-ups and then look back at your

`rules', and they decide about improving or dropping them.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, Gopal Goel

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>

> Dear Kiran ,

> It is just not possible to formulate the rules , just based on our

replies on mail. It has a limited purpose.

> Replies are based on some particular aspects.

> It is good you trying to formulate the rules ,it would certainly

enhance your understanding.

> At the same time , it is necessary to enhance your knowledge through

the study of scriptures.

> Regards.

>

> G.K.GOEL

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>

>

>

>

> Kiran R <kiran..rama

>

> Cc: ahudupa; gkgoel1937

> Saturday, 17 November, 2007 12:08:02 AM

> Re: Re: Methodology for results

from House Lord in any house (Sreenadhji, pls. verif

>

> Respected Sreenadhji, Goelji and Udupaji,

>

> Based on feedback from all of you, I have revised the rules.

> I have incorporated all of Sreenadhji's inputs, Udupaji inputs and

Goelji inputs.

> Goelji: I have added your input in Rule 1 and Udupaji: Your rule is

added in Rule 2. Sreenadhji: I have reworded all the rules to

incorporate your feedback.

>

> Sreenadhji, the exception case brought out by you has been explained

with example in Rule 1. I thank you once again because the entire rule

based concept is inspired by your masterpiece " Lagna Lord in various

houses " document and I am indebted to you.

>

> Let us all work together and modify the rules below so that we can

have a systemic approach that may not be true in all 100% cases but

certainly in atleast 75-80% of the cases.

>

> Rule 1:

> Is the house lord in friend's house or own house or moolatrikona

sign or exaltation sign?

>

> A planet in its friend's house, own house, moolatrikona and

exaltation signs will strengthen the results signified by the the

house of which it is the lord

> Please note this can mean positive for good things signified by the

house and negative for bad things signified by the house

>

> [To explain Sreenadhji's query: 8th lord exalted in 5th is strong.

SO it will mean strengthening of results signified by 8th house. 8th

house is the house of death and so it signifies death. As it is in the

5th house, we have to associate death with 5th house and 5th house is

children, so it signifies the death of children]

>

> If house lord is in exaltation or friend's sign, good results are

also controlled by the dispositor

>

> Rule 2:

> Which house is the house lord in?

>

> House lord will give the results of the house that it is in. It will

provide results of the house, which maybe good or bad depending on

> (i) The planet nature

> (ii) THe house nature

>

>

> Rule 3:

> Which house does the house lord aspect by way or Graha Drishti? What

is the nature of the house lord?

>

> Results are similar to Rule 2

>

> House Lord (called planet here) will give the results of the house

that it aspects by way of Graha Drishti. It will provide results of

the house, which maybe good or bad depending on

> (i) The planet nature

> (ii) The house nature

>

> [Example: If the planet on which it has graha drishti was dustana,

and house lord is benefic, it will amplify results of the dustana

house resulting in bad results. On other hand if house lord is malefic

and it is aspecting a dustana, then it will reduce results of dustana

and give bad results]

>

> Rule 4:

> Is the house lord in enemy house or debilitated?

>

> A planet in its enemy house or debilitation will weaken the results

that are signified by the house of which it is the lord. As in rule 1,

this can mean positive or negative results.

>

> Rule 5:

> Associate the houses in every way possible?

> E.g: as we did in Rule 1. 8th lord is in 5th house. 8th house

signifies death and 5th house children. associate 8th and 5th in

unidirectional way i.e. Lordship house-> Resident house

>

> I look forward to participation from the group so that we can refine

these rules/add new rules so that anybody can easily analyze D-1.

Sreenadhji, We in the group look forward to your guidance to add as

many rules as possible and refine the rules

>

> Jai Gurudev!

>

> Thanks

> kiran

Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> Dear Kiran ji,

> Looking at the interest many take in your post, I am providing my

> feed back about your statements below:

> ==>

> > Planet in its own house (by implication: exaltation and friend's

> > house also) will give very good results for everything signified by

> > the house My understanding is that since the planet in own house is

> > strong, it gives good results.

> <==

> Right - but too generalized. To quote an opposite result that goes

> against this " 8th lord even if exalted in 5th can cause loss of

children "

> ==>

> > House lord if benefic will strengthen the effects of the house it is

> > in. House lord if malefic will weaken the effects of the house that

> > it is in. So if the House lord is in sustana, it will

> > increase/decrease effects of sustana as per its benefic/malefic

> > nature. Reverse is true for dustana. My understanding is that to

> > look at nature of the house lord, we should go by its functional

> > beneficity nature as per lagna (e.g: for Cancer Lagna, Kuja is

> > benefic) and not by the natural benefic/malefic nature.

> <==

> Right to certain extend - but again too generalized. No planet

> strengthens or weakens the effect of a house - but only allows the

> results to pass through its lens (there by contaminating it - either

> in good direction or in bad direction). Both the functional

> benefic/malefic consideration and natural benefic/malefic

> consideration is going to fail you in this regard.. Even

> functional/natural benefic can indicate many bad results and even

> functional/natural malefic can indicate many good results.

> ==>

> > Rule 3:

> > See what house the house lord aspects from the house that it is

> > situated by way of Graha drishti (generally 7th house from it but

> > special cases exist). Depending on the nature of the house lord, it

> > will give good/bad results of the house that it aspects

> <==

> Right. But not only based on nature of house (for which it is lord),

> but also based on the nature of the planet itself.

> ==>

> > Rule 4:

> > If the house lord is in enemy house or debilitated, it will not give

> > fruit to the results that is signified by it.

> <==

> Wrong. Where ever the planet be it will give fructify the results it

> signifies - it is the quality of the results that gets affected; if

> the planet is debilitated or in enemy house - in bad direction. But

> definitely the strength or weakness of the planet does not bind it

> from indicating results - it is only the direction (positive or

> negative) or amount (more or less) that gets affected.

> Hope this helps.

> Note: Hope the above itself clarifies why generalization can be

> misleading.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran ji,

> > You took the wrong turn. The continuation of that thread should be -

> > * 2nd Lord in various houses

> > * 3rd Lord in various houses

> > * 4th Lord in various houses and so on.

> > Trying to derive rules for " house lords in various houses " is wrong

> > turn many already took and the slokas relating to the same is

> > available in plenty in many books, and became one of the base reason

> > for confutation among astrologers. Too much generalizing can cause

> > more trouble than help. Actually 3 to 5 slokas (i.e. less than 10

> > rules approx) is enough to cover this whole subject of house lord in

> > various houses.

> > Actually one of my major intentions in preparing that write up

> > on 'Lagna lord in various houses' was itself to help people avoid

> > this wrong turn. But any way, a good learning effort and so all the

> > best in your studies.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kiran.rama "

> > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > Similar to your post " Lagna lord in various houses " , I have tried to

> > > come up with a post on " House Lord in different houses "

> > >

> > > Following are the general rules I have formed based on your Lagna

> > lord

> > > in any house post and some of my understanding from books as well:

> > > Pls.. verify that these are all correct and let me know if any

> > > additions are required:

> > >

> > > Henceforth HL will refer to the " House Lord "

> > > Say we are analyzing the 3rd house lord, then HL refers to it

> > >

> > > Rule 1:

> > > Planet in its own house (by implication: exaltation and friend's

> > house

> > > also) will give very good results for everything signified by the

> > house

> > > My understanding is that since the planet in own house is

> > strong, it

> > > gives good results.

> > >

> > > Sub rule: If malefics are present in the own house, then the bad

> > > effects of the house are amplified

> > >

> > >

> > > Rule 2:

> > > House lord if benefic will strengthen the effects of the house it is

> > > in. House lord if malefic will weaken the effects of the house that

> > it

> > > is in

> > > So if the House lord is in sustana, it will increase/decrease

> > effects

> > > of sustana as per its benefic/malefic nature. Reverse is true for

> > dustana

> > >

> > > My understanding is that to look at nature of the house lord,

> > we

> > > should go by its functional beneficity nature as per lagna (e.g: for

> > > Cancer Lagna, Kuja is benefic) and not by the natural

> > benefic/malefic

> > > nature. Sreenadhji, pls. confirm

> > >

> > > Rule 3:

> > > See what house the house lord aspects from the house that it is

> > > situated by way of Graha drishti (generally 7th house from it but

> > > special cases exist). Depending on the nature of the house lord, it

> > > will give good/bad results of the house that it aspects

> > > Graha drishti can be treated similar to placement in that house

> > > Here again, do we natural benefic or do we take functional

> > benefic.

> > > Sreenadhji, pls. confirm

> > >

> > > Rule 4:

> > > If the house lord is in enemy house or debilitated, it will not give

> > > fruit to the results that is signified by it.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> >

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