Kala-Sarpa-Yoga, Sarpa Sapa & Sarpa Yoga

[Guest guest]

Dear Fin ji and others,

Thanks to Finn ji for his very informative mail. Let me share some

info about the current thread on KSY/Sarpa Sapa/Sarpa Yoga confusion.

 

1- Kala Sarpa Yoga

------------------

Kala Sarpa Yoga is at times also known as Kala Sarpa Dosha. This

Yoga happens if all the planets are between Rahu and Ke axis.

Kala Sarpa Yoga is a yoga that is considered while dealing with

Mundane astrology. It has nothing to do with natal chart. The only

reference quote available regarding KSY is in Brihat Samhita. A

Detailed document prepared by on KSY is available in the

files section. URL:

Articles/

The%20Mystery%20of%20Kal%20Sarpa%20Yoga.doc

I think enough time has been wasted in this group and many other

group for this irrelevant Yoga.

2-Sarpa Sapa or Sarpa Dosha (Serpent Curse)

----------

There could be many Yogas in a horoscope that indicate the curse of

Serpent gods or serpents. The text pransamarga deals with this in

details and the various combinations indicating Sarpa Dosha is very

popular in south indian astrology.

3- Sarpa Yoga (a Nabhasa Yoga)

------------------------------

It is one of the Dala Yoga. (Dala Yogas are a subset of the nabhasa

Yogas). A useful article earlier written by me you may find in this

url: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic astrology-

jyotisha/357094-nabhasa-yoga.html

 

I could see that many in this group are confusing these three.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> There has been some debate about " Kala Sarpa Yoga " recently. In this

> connection I like to point out that no classical textbook has ever

> mentioned anything about this. This means, you will not find even a

> single sloka about KSY in any of the classic.

>

> KSY is actually of very recent origin. I think it was described for

> the first time around 1955 in the book " Nadi Jyotisha " by the late

Mr.

> Gopala Krishna Rao, alias " Meena " . If I remember correctly he

> mentioned KSY together with another Yoga which he called " Sweet

Sarpa

> Yoga " .

>

> Actually Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao came up with quite a number of new

> predictive methods in his book, like the Jeeva/Sharira-theory and

the

> Sthola/Shooksma-theory.

>

> Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao also mentioned some new zodiacal divisions

like

> Navamsa-Dwadasamsa and he was actually the one who came up with the

> idea of dividing the Nakshatras into 9 unequal subs. A concept which

> was further developed by his disciple, the late Mr. Krishnamurthy,

> into what we know today as the K.P.-system.

>

> As I understand it, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao died under very humble

> circumstances.

>

> Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl

>

[Guest guest]

dear friends

 

as regards sarpa yoga and sarpa shapa, all are aware of their

combinations as mentioned in the original ancient scriptures.

 

however, the kalasarpa yoga or kalasarpa dosha is something which was

first popularised in uttarpradesh few decades ago and is now popular

all over. in lalikitab system followed in punjab, this is referred

as half blind chart, half blind this way or that way. this subject

was discussed in greath length in other astrology groups earlier. as

goelji has said rightly, an yoga not finding mention in original

scriptures does not mean that it cannot exist or it shall not be

reckoned.

 

for example, the neechabhanga rajayoga and uchhabhanga daridrayoga do

not find mention in the original scriptures, yet many modern

astrologers follow these.

 

grahana yoga formed by the eclipse of sun and moon with rahu and ketu

respectively is also not mentioned in the original scriptures but is

very important since it cannot get the perceived positive results of

the chart.

 

vipareeta rajayoga is not mentioned in the original scritpures but is

also praticed by few schools of astrology.

 

manglik dosha or kuja dosham is not mentioned in the original

scriptures but is a major consideration in astrology especially for

marriage purposes. the original scriptures only mention negative

results of a mars in 7th or 8th house. no ancient scripture mention

mars in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses give such and such negative results and

then narrate dozens of rules that nullify this dosham.

 

conjunction results of only seven planets are given in the original

scriptures but yet we hear guruchandaal yoga and some modern

astrology books are giving results for conjunction of all nine

planets.

 

one scriptures says that if a native is born in shukla paksha,

ashtottari mahadasa shall be reckoned and if the native is born in

krishna paksha, vimshottari mahadasa shall be reckoned. for some

time, one part of the country was following ashtottari and another

part was following vimshottari and now only vimshottari has become

popular in all regions.

 

with present modern astrology following too many thoughts from too

many schools, it is not necessary that any and everything that we

follow must be present in the ancient scriptures.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Fin ji and others,

> Thanks to Finn ji for his very informative mail. Let me share

some

> info about the current thread on KSY/Sarpa Sapa/Sarpa Yoga

confusion.

>

> 1- Kala Sarpa Yoga

> ------------------

> Kala Sarpa Yoga is at times also known as Kala Sarpa Dosha. This

> Yoga happens if all the planets are between Rahu and Ke axis.

> Kala Sarpa Yoga is a yoga that is considered while dealing with

> Mundane astrology. It has nothing to do with natal chart. The only

> reference quote available regarding KSY is in Brihat Samhita. A

> Detailed document prepared by on KSY is available in

the

> files section. URL:

>

Articles/

> The%20Mystery%20of%20Kal%20Sarpa%20Yoga.doc

> I think enough time has been wasted in this group and many other

> group for this irrelevant Yoga.

> 2-Sarpa Sapa or Sarpa Dosha (Serpent Curse)

> ----------

> There could be many Yogas in a horoscope that indicate the curse

of

> Serpent gods or serpents. The text pransamarga deals with this in

> details and the various combinations indicating Sarpa Dosha is very

> popular in south indian astrology.

> 3- Sarpa Yoga (a Nabhasa Yoga)

> ------------------------------

> It is one of the Dala Yoga. (Dala Yogas are a subset of the

nabhasa

> Yogas). A useful article earlier written by me you may find in this

> url: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic astrology-

> jyotisha/357094-nabhasa-yoga.html

>

> I could see that many in this group are confusing these three.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > There has been some debate about " Kala Sarpa Yoga " recently. In

this

> > connection I like to point out that no classical textbook has ever

> > mentioned anything about this. This means, you will not find even

a

> > single sloka about KSY in any of the classic.

> >

> > KSY is actually of very recent origin. I think it was described

for

> > the first time around 1955 in the book " Nadi Jyotisha " by the

late

> Mr.

> > Gopala Krishna Rao, alias " Meena " . If I remember correctly he

> > mentioned KSY together with another Yoga which he called " Sweet

> Sarpa

> > Yoga " .

> >

> > Actually Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao came up with quite a number of new

> > predictive methods in his book, like the Jeeva/Sharira-theory and

> the

> > Sthola/Shooksma-theory.

> >

> > Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao also mentioned some new zodiacal divisions

> like

> > Navamsa-Dwadasamsa and he was actually the one who came up with

the

> > idea of dividing the Nakshatras into 9 unequal subs. A concept

which

> > was further developed by his disciple, the late Mr. Krishnamurthy,

> > into what we know today as the K.P.-system.

> >

> > As I understand it, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao died under very humble

> > circumstances.

> >

> > Very friendly,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Arjun ji,

Thanks for the nice post, and for sharing the valuable thoughts.

==>

> as regards sarpa yoga and sarpa shapa, all are aware of their

> combinations as mentioned in the original ancient scriptures.

<==

Sarpa Yoga: is one of the nabhasa yoga - and applies throughout life

irrespective of Dasa. I am not elaborating it here, since any one can

refer to this Nabhasa yoga and its results.

Sarpa Sapa (Sarpa Badha or Sarpa Dosha): There are several

combinations for Sarpa Sapa (or call it Sarpa Badha). I am quoting

one of them from Chapter 15th of Prasnamarga.

[in Prasna] If Rahu is in Badhaka stana in 6-8-12-Lagna-4-7-10 then

Sarpa Badha (or sarpa Sapa) should be predicted. The grade (good,

mediam, bad) of he serpent should be predicted based on the aspect of

planets like Sun, Moon etc on this Rahu. Depending upon in which

house (from Lagna) the combination is present, corresponding remedy

should be predicted.

There are several other combinations as well which helps us to see

Sarpa Dosha. It should be noted that all these Serpent curse (Sarpa

Badha or Sarpa Sapa) related predictions becomes specially important

ONLY AMONG serpent worshipers. In south serpent worship and chances

of finding serpent near house is greater than in north. Note that if

above factor is not considered, astrologers will end up predicting

Sarpa Dosha in almost each and every prashna they conduct. This kind

of stretching the rules - without considering Desha-Kala-Patra

(Location-Time-Native) should be avoided. Also not that there could

many charts in which unique combinations indicate life long serpent

curse or chance of serpent bites - which may apply irrespective of

location of the native. Detailed analyses of this subject of Sarpa

Bhadha/Sarpa Sapa/Sarpa Dosha (Serpent Curse) is beyond the scope of

this brief note.

==>

> as goelji has said rightly, an yoga not finding mention in original

> scriptures does not mean that it cannot exist or it shall not be

> reckoned.

<==

I agree but would add that even when accepted such yogas would be

under doubtful scrutiny for long. Because the doubt will remain that -

why the sages chose to exclude them from their works, especially

when many of them are easy to locate or see.

==>

> for example, the neechabhanga rajayoga and uchhabhanga daridrayoga

> do not find mention in the original scriptures, yet many modern

> astrologers follow these.

<==

Yes. In ancient Tamil scriptures this yoga is mentioned and quotes

available. But the same is not found in ancient Sanskrit scriptures.

==>

> grahana yoga formed by the eclipse of sun and moon with rahu and

> ketu respectively is also not mentioned in the original scriptures

> but is very important since it cannot get the perceived positive

> results of the chart.

<==

I agree to the conclusions - but doubt the validity of the statement

about the 'unavailability of grahana yogas in original scriptures'. I

believe the same is available (and remember seeing such quotes some

where) - may need to do a detailed search to find and quote them.

==>

> vipareeta rajayoga is not mentioned in the original scriptures but

> is also practiced by few schools of astrology.

<==

Are you Sure?! Vipareeta Rajayoga too I think would be available in

ancient scripts - this too demands a detailed search before

conformation.

==>

> manglik dosha or kuja dosham is not mentioned in the original

> scriptures but is a major consideration in astrology especially for

> marriage purposes. the original scriptures only mention negative

> results of a mars in 7th or 8th house. no ancient scripture

> mention mars in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses give such and such negative

> results and then narrate dozens of rules that nullify this dosham.

<==

Mangal Dosha is mentioned in many medieval texts - but not in Rishi

Horas. But of course both results to be predicted for Ma in all the

houses, signs etc is available in Rishi horas and as such without a

new name (such as Mangal Dosha) itself the results related to the

same could be predicted based on ancient scriptures itself. It seems

that the medieval texts stretched the simple planet-house results

related to Mars beyond limits projecting it as a deadly and fearful

combination. It seems that the same happened due to the non-

systematic approach to the subject by very many medieval scholars.

==>

> conjunction results of only seven planets are given in the original

> scriptures but yet we hear guruchandaal yoga and some modern

> astrology books are giving results for conjunction of all nine

> planets.

<==

Yes, considering the extra -saturnian planets is a system

introduced mostly by the followers of western astrology. The ancient

nirayana system of indian astrology neither mention nor use extra

Saturnian planets due its dependence on the Pancha Bhuta tatwa (5

planets representing 5 tatwas) itself. And rightly you said - the

ancient astrological scriptures does not mention or use extra

Saturnian planets. Due to this very reasons (philosophical foundation

and lack of ancient quotes) the use of extra Saturnian planets would

be under doubtful scrutiny of indian astrological scholars for long -

I believe.

==>

> one scriptures says that if a native is born in shukla paksha,

> ashtottari mahadasa shall be reckoned and if the native is born in

> krishna paksha, vimshottari mahadasa shall be reckoned. for some

> time, one part of the country was following ashtottari and another

> part was following vimshottari and now only vimshottari has become

> popular in all regions.

<==

True - but ancient scriptures mention these for sure. Many Dasa

systems and many rules related to each Dasa are mentioned in Rishi

Horas itself.

==>

> with present modern astrology following too many thoughts from too

> many schools, it is not necessary that any and everything that we

> follow must be present in the ancient scriptures.

<==

Agree. But still would like to add that - " If not found in ancient

scripts it should readily match with experience for sure. If not with

the same speed of acceptance, rejection of such new born theories and

concepts would and should happen " .

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> as regards sarpa yoga and sarpa shapa, all are aware of their

> combinations as mentioned in the original ancient scriptures.

>

> however, the kalasarpa yoga or kalasarpa dosha is something which

was

> first popularised in uttarpradesh few decades ago and is now

popular

> all over. in lalikitab system followed in punjab, this is referred

> as half blind chart, half blind this way or that way. this subject

> was discussed in greath length in other astrology groups earlier.

as

> goelji has said rightly, an yoga not finding mention in original

> scriptures does not mean that it cannot exist or it shall not be

> reckoned.

>

> for example, the neechabhanga rajayoga and uchhabhanga daridrayoga

do

> not find mention in the original scriptures, yet many modern

> astrologers follow these.

>

> grahana yoga formed by the eclipse of sun and moon with rahu and

ketu

> respectively is also not mentioned in the original scriptures but

is

> very important since it cannot get the perceived positive results

of

> the chart.

>

> vipareeta rajayoga is not mentioned in the original scritpures but

is

> also praticed by few schools of astrology.

>

> manglik dosha or kuja dosham is not mentioned in the original

> scriptures but is a major consideration in astrology especially for

> marriage purposes. the original scriptures only mention negative

> results of a mars in 7th or 8th house. no ancient scripture

mention

> mars in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses give such and such negative results and

> then narrate dozens of rules that nullify this dosham.

>

> conjunction results of only seven planets are given in the original

> scriptures but yet we hear guruchandaal yoga and some modern

> astrology books are giving results for conjunction of all nine

> planets.

>

> one scriptures says that if a native is born in shukla paksha,

> ashtottari mahadasa shall be reckoned and if the native is born in

> krishna paksha, vimshottari mahadasa shall be reckoned. for some

> time, one part of the country was following ashtottari and another

> part was following vimshottari and now only vimshottari has become

> popular in all regions.

>

> with present modern astrology following too many thoughts from too

> many schools, it is not necessary that any and everything that we

> follow must be present in the ancient scriptures.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Fin ji and others,

> > Thanks to Finn ji for his very informative mail. Let me share

> some

> > info about the current thread on KSY/Sarpa Sapa/Sarpa Yoga

> confusion.

> >

> > 1- Kala Sarpa Yoga

> > ------------------

> > Kala Sarpa Yoga is at times also known as Kala Sarpa Dosha.

This

> > Yoga happens if all the planets are between Rahu and Ke axis.

> > Kala Sarpa Yoga is a yoga that is considered while dealing

with

> > Mundane astrology. It has nothing to do with natal chart. The

only

> > reference quote available regarding KSY is in Brihat Samhita. A

> > Detailed document prepared by on KSY is available in

> the

> > files section. URL:

> >

>

Articles/

> > The%20Mystery%20of%20Kal%20Sarpa%20Yoga.doc

> > I think enough time has been wasted in this group and many

other

> > group for this irrelevant Yoga.

> > 2-Sarpa Sapa or Sarpa Dosha (Serpent Curse)

> > ----------

> > There could be many Yogas in a horoscope that indicate the

curse

> of

> > Serpent gods or serpents. The text pransamarga deals with this in

> > details and the various combinations indicating Sarpa Dosha is

very

> > popular in south indian astrology.

> > 3- Sarpa Yoga (a Nabhasa Yoga)

> > ------------------------------

> > It is one of the Dala Yoga. (Dala Yogas are a subset of the

> nabhasa

> > Yogas). A useful article earlier written by me you may find in

this

> > url: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic astrology-

> > jyotisha/357094-nabhasa-yoga.html

> >

> > I could see that many in this group are confusing these three.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > There has been some debate about " Kala Sarpa Yoga " recently. In

> this

> > > connection I like to point out that no classical textbook has

ever

> > > mentioned anything about this. This means, you will not find

even

> a

> > > single sloka about KSY in any of the classic.

> > >

> > > KSY is actually of very recent origin. I think it was described

> for

> > > the first time around 1955 in the book " Nadi Jyotisha " by the

> late

> > Mr.

> > > Gopala Krishna Rao, alias " Meena " . If I remember correctly he

> > > mentioned KSY together with another Yoga which he called " Sweet

> > Sarpa

> > > Yoga " .

> > >

> > > Actually Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao came up with quite a number of

new

> > > predictive methods in his book, like the Jeeva/Sharira-theory

and

> > the

> > > Sthola/Shooksma-theory.

> > >

> > > Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao also mentioned some new zodiacal

divisions

> > like

> > > Navamsa-Dwadasamsa and he was actually the one who came up with

> the

> > > idea of dividing the Nakshatras into 9 unequal subs. A concept

> which

> > > was further developed by his disciple, the late Mr.

Krishnamurthy,

> > > into what we know today as the K.P.-system.

> > >

> > > As I understand it, Mr. Gopala Krishna Rao died under very

humble

> > > circumstances.

> > >

> > > Very friendly,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> >

>