Horoscope of Lord Rama - ToAll

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Dear All,

I don't know how we can approach knowledge, if this is the state

of affairs. If some one can come out with a procedure its better as no

body gets hurt. People who ever joined in the name of astrology, then

what they want they want real astrology, or all cooked up failing

combinations, or the lunatic name calling of Kaul in the name of

calendar reform. Tomorrow we can say the BPHS this part is wrong or

bhagavat gita is wrong each section will come out with storms. Yah, the

question is who will bell the cat.

So I request none to come up with new subjects if they are not

ready to bell the cat - whether it be Kaul or anyone else!

Here in groups, even if you dig the origin of even week days,

you may land in trouble, if you are afraid of fanatics who joined in

astrology groups. So we will have to stop all investigations. The task

of clearing the dirt will be unfinished as some one wants that way. I

am near fed-up with all these nonsense. If you find other groups better

run away to there – or keep the back bones up.

Regards,

Sreenadh

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Kaul ji,> ==>> > Thus the presumption that the Valmiki Ramayana was written after 2nd > > century BCE cannot be correct since we have references to Valmiki > > much prior to that period!> <== > OK. That means that you agree to the fact that large scale> re-casting of ramayana is a clear possibility around 2nd Century BCE.> And the following words of yours clarifies it. > ==>> > There have been redactions in the astronomical works -- plagiarisms > > galore! The Vishnudharmotarapurana has purloined the astronomical > > portion of Brahmasphuta Sidhanta without giving any due credits! > > Similarly, a lot of cunfusion is there as to who has written the > > present version of the Surya Sidhanta! > <==> Good that we agree on many points. > ==>> > Then We are having thousands of Samhitas like "Brighu" and "Varuna"> > and "Aruna" and even "Ravana-samhita" and everybody knows in his > > heart of hearts that they are fake works, concoctions of the worst > > order! Same is the case with the much taunted Brihat Parashara Hora > > Shastram---all the versions available currently!> <==> That is why the question - Why can't you accept the same to be true> for Ramayana?!! An impartial person must be simply able to do that!> But yes, you want to discard astrology, and then too preserve Hinduism> by preserving all those irrelevant rituals and baseless beliefs. Is> that not charlatanism? > ==>> > As such, why are you just after the Valmiki Ramayana? Charity > > begins at home and so does the clearing of Augean stables! > <==> Answer me sincerely - why can't I tell the same to you? It is> clearly what the discussion on Ramayana reveals. )> ==>> > You (and me as well!) are no authority on history! > <==> Agree - and I am not after history - except some glimpses of it -> here and there where ever necessary. > ==>> > Even there we find at least a dozen versions of the Ramayanas -- > > the most prominent > > ones being Adyatma Ramayana, Valmiki Ramayana, Barvai Ramayana, > > Tulsi Ramayana and so on. I also learn that there are a few > > versions in South India, perhaps the most prominent one being "Kamba > > Ramayana" -- I may be wrong in naming as well spelling of that work, > > but the fact remains that in every part of Bharatavarsha, we have > > Ramayanas in several forms!> <==> But what is the importance of several ramayanas here?! We are just> talking about Ramayana that is ascribed to Valmiki - right? Now about> the most prominent Ramayana in south - your statement is utterly> wrong. South is not that simple. In Kerala it is 'Adhyatma> Ramayana' (independent translation) written by 'Tunjat Ezhuttachan; In> Tamil nadu one of them is Kamba Ramayana I believe (but not sure - i> am not an authority on the same) - but there could be some other works> as well. (By the way Kambar wrote that Ramayana at the Krishna temple> in my native village) In several other states in South 'Adhyatma> Ramayana' I believe. But the simple fact is that - south is so vast> with varying cultures and languages of AP,Karnataka, Kerala,> Tamilnadu, and the Tulu language and culture of Western cost. Every> state is a knowledge house - actually the believed to be lost Sanskrit> works are coming to light now a days by re-writing the ancient> Sanskrit works from Southern Regional scripts to Devanagari script. > ==>> > As such, please concentrate yourself on astrological and > > astronomical points alone in this forum. > <==> Thanks for the advice. > ==>> > pl. go through the Manusmriti!> <==> Lol....) I know what it is - are you starting a new controversy?!! > ==>> > Right now, you are just digressing from the main issue which > > is "ancient Indian astrology" (or the lack of it!).> <==> We will haply do that - then again don't come in-between with> Valmiki (or any other) Ramayana or such references. ) Do you> remember - it is YOU who started it all. ) If you don't remember> read /message/3495> So the lesson to remember is - don't put your hand in the frying pan!> Or if you does please have the patience to wait till it gets fried> enough! Lol..... ) And now you comes out with the advice – don't> discuss Valmiki Ramyana – if not laugh, what can I do?!! ) Don't> commit the same with Manusmriti – it is ok, in astrology forum we can> safely ignore it. > Love,> Sreenadh> > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> jyotirved@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> > Namaskar!> > <Why it became necessary? Because the Sanskrit> > Ramayana ascribed to valmiki hurts the feelings of not only south> > indians but also north indians - or better all hindus, buddists,> > jains, tantrics - since it deals with many rituals and ideas - not> > considered as ethical or even sane in today's world.>> > > > You are confusing the issues unnecessarily!> > > > The fact rmains that there has been a historial personality like > > Shri Ram prior to Shri Krishen as it is mentioned in several works > > including the Mbh.> > > > Irrespecitve of the fact whether Kaliyuga started in 3102 BCE or is > > yet to start, Shri Krishen had incarnated at least --- if worst coms > > to worst!---prior to one thousand BCE. Obviously, Shri Ram had > > incarnated much before Him.> > > > Thus the presumption that the Valmiki Ramayana was written after 2nd > > century BCE cannot be correct since we have references to Valmiki > > much prior to that period!> > > > Now comes the point of redactions in the Ramayana!> > > > There have been redactions in the astronomical works -- plagiarisms > > galore! The Vishnudharmotarapurana has purloined the astronomical > > portion of Brahmasphuta Sidhanta without giving any due credits! > > Similarly, a lot of cunfusion is there as to who has written the > > present version of the Surya Sidhanta! Maya the mlechha did not > > disclose his original name that he was a Greek stooge sent to > > confuse Hindus by making them astro adicts! > > > > Then We are having thousands of Samhitas like "Brighu" and "Varuna"> > and "Aruna" and even "Ravana-samhita" and everybody knows in his > > heart of hearts that they are fake works, concoctions of the worst > > order! Same is the case with the much taunted Brihat Parashara Hora > > Shastram---all the versions available currently!> > > > Uttarakalamrita of some god-forsaken Kalidasa is being claimed to > > have been written by Maha-kavi Kalidasa and so on!> > > > In spite of such glaring fake products jyotishis are running after > > them and vying with one another to be called as "Varahamahira" when > > actually he was the "greatest charlatan of the last two millennia"!> > > > As such, why are you just after the Valmiki Ramayana? Charity > > begins at home and so does the clearing of Augean stables! You > > first clear the mental cobwebs of "jyotishis" about all such > > astrological and "astronomical" works by "stalwats" since you are > > supposed to be an authority about those books/tpics/points. You > > (and me as well!) are no authority on history! Even there we find > > at least a dozen versions of the Ramayanas -- the most prominent > > ones being Adyatma Ramayana, Valmiki Ramayana, Barvai Ramayana, > > Tulsi Ramayana and so on. I also learn that there are a few > > versions in South India, perhaps the most promnent one being "Kamba > > Ramayana" -- I may be wrong in naming as well spelling of that work, > > but the fact remains that in every part of Bharatavarsha, we have > > Ramayanas in several forms!> > > > There is a work "Raghuvamasham" by Kalidasa, and it is sheer beauty > > just for the poetry itself!> > > > As such, please concentrate yourself on astrological and > > astronomical points alone in this forum. If you want to discuss the > > originality or otherwise of the Valmiki Ramayana, then you have to > > discuss other works also, whether they are from South India or from > > North. For that purpose, you may create a different forum and have > > a thorough discussion! Mention the purpose of that forum in > > the "frontspiece" there. I will ge glad to join you there also and > > try to sift the grain from the chaf! But right now you are treading > > on too many toes unnecessarily and this is not going to serve any > > purpose!> > > > (About the reality of Valmiki Rishi, pl. go through Adyatma Ramayana!> > About the real qualities/qualifications--or lack of them!--of > > Brahmins, pl. go through the Manusmriti!)> > Right now, you are just digressing from the main issue whch > > is "ancient Indian astrology" (or the lack of it!).> > With regards,> > Avtar Krishen Kaul> > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Finn ji,> > > Calling Ramayana available today ascribed to 'valmiki' (but NOT> > > written by him) as divine also hurts the feelings of many - > > especially> > > south indians - and that was why this text was re-written by many > > like -> > > * Tulasidas in North (to recast it giving importance to Bhakri) > > and> > > * Adhyatma Ramayana in South (-do-)> > > - and many more. Why it became necessary? Because the Sanskrit> > > ramayana ascribed to valmiki hurts the feelings of not only south> > > indians but also north indians - or better all hindus, buddists,> > > jains, tantrics - since it deals with many rituals and ideas - not> > > considered as ethical or even sane in today's world. A fact is a > > fact> > > is a fact. Of course it is a great source for further studies - and> > > one of the unique texts we have - that is another matter. Of > > course> > > many of these things should can be avoided being discussed in this> > > group – but some how when we discuss the astrology in Ramayana – > > many> > > of these points comes up. Therefore let us understand both sides of> > > the coin and bear with some of the criticisms in support of or> > > against. Both of them are sure to surface – if we are dealing with> > > such a subject. Even while we deal with nirayana or tropical > > astrology> > > then too we cannot avoid some such controversies if we are > > approaching> > > the subject sincerely. > > > Note: But I will try to keep your advice in mind. Thanks for the > > advice. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > >>...and that is why Ramayana is a mere literary text, and NOT a> > > > divine one...<<> > > > > > > > Please, this statement is uncalled for! There is no reason to > > hurt> > > > some peoples religious feelings...> > > > > > > > Finn> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear sreenadh ji ,

This problem was faced by i think bhaskaracharya also may be when he wrote that rahu ketu is ot gobbling the sun and moon myth .

Also may be by aryabatta when he wrote the gravitation force of earth and gola aakara pritwi against famouse preistly teaching of bhoomi is supported by some serpent or tortoise .

And kaul ji keep on telling that Vedas are simply saga of some nomads and at same breath says no astrology in vedas

But he wanted to celebrate all festivals at correct dates .

What festivals -without sanctity .

Now came to advise that we should not step into this territory and that territory .He forgets that even nastikas given a good place in India

I hav no words ,let some one come out with a formula to tackle this or let us discard and leave astro as is where is the basis and go and enjoy urself >pls go and chill out ,why waisting ur time and money .

U can do so many things like youths this days doing ,atleast u take ur lover and hav a nice time ,if u r unmarried or if married learn how to invest money and multiply it .

learn to liv man

 

regrds Vijaya Raghavan Guruvayur.

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> I don't know how we can approach knowledge, if this is the state of> affairs. If some one can come out with a procedure its better as no body> gets hurt. People who ever joined in the name of astrology, then what> they want they want real astrology, or all cooked up failing> combinations, or the lunatic name calling of Kaul in the name of> calendar reform. Tomorrow we can say the BPHS this part is wrong or> bhagavat gita is wrong each section will come out with storms. Yah, the> question is who will bell the cat.> So I request none to come up with new subjects if they are not ready> to bell the cat - whether it be Kaul or anyone else!> Here in groups, even if you dig the origin of even week days, you may> land in trouble, if you are afraid of fanatics who joined in astrology> groups. So we will have to stop all investigations. The task of clearing> the dirt will be unfinished as some one wants that way. I am near fed-up> with all these nonsense. If you find other groups better run away to> there – or keep the back bones up.> Regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kaul ji,> > ==>> > > Thus the presumption that the Valmiki Ramayana was written after 2nd> > > century BCE cannot be correct since we have references to Valmiki> > > much prior to that period!> > <==> > OK. That means that you agree to the fact that large scale> > re-casting of ramayana is a clear possibility around 2nd Century BCE.> > And the following words of yours clarifies it. > > ==>> > > There have been redactions in the astronomical works -- plagiarisms> > > galore! The Vishnudharmotarapurana has purloined the astronomical> > > portion of Brahmasphuta Sidhanta without giving any due credits!> > > Similarly, a lot of cunfusion is there as to who has written the> > > present version of the Surya Sidhanta!> > <==> > Good that we agree on many points. > > ==>> > > Then We are having thousands of Samhitas like "Brighu" and "Varuna"> > > and "Aruna" and even "Ravana-samhita" and everybody knows in his> > > heart of hearts that they are fake works, concoctions of the worst> > > order! Same is the case with the much taunted Brihat Parashara Hora> > > Shastram---all the versions available currently!> > <==> > That is why the question - Why can't you accept the same to be true> > for Ramayana?!! An impartial person must be simply able to do that!> > But yes, you want to discard astrology, and then too preserve Hinduism> > by preserving all those irrelevant rituals and baseless beliefs. Is> > that not charlatanism? > > ==>> > > As such, why are you just after the Valmiki Ramayana? Charity> > > begins at home and so does the clearing of Augean stables!> > <==> > Answer me sincerely - why can't I tell the same to you? It is> > clearly what the discussion on Ramayana reveals. )> > ==>> > > You (and me as well!) are no authority on history!> > <==> > Agree - and I am not after history - except some glimpses of it -> > here and there where ever necessary. > > ==>> > > Even there we find at least a dozen versions of the Ramayanas --> > > the most prominent> > > ones being Adyatma Ramayana, Valmiki Ramayana, Barvai Ramayana,> > > Tulsi Ramayana and so on. I also learn that there are a few> > > versions in South India, perhaps the most prominent one being "Kamba> > > Ramayana" -- I may be wrong in naming as well spelling of that work,> > > but the fact remains that in every part of Bharatavarsha, we have> > > Ramayanas in several forms!> > <==> > But what is the importance of several ramayanas here?! We are just> > talking about Ramayana that is ascribed to Valmiki - right? Now about> > the most prominent Ramayana in south - your statement is utterly> > wrong. South is not that simple. In Kerala it is 'Adhyatma> > Ramayana' (independent translation) written by 'Tunjat Ezhuttachan; In> > Tamil nadu one of them is Kamba Ramayana I believe (but not sure - i> > am not an authority on the same) - but there could be some other works> > as well. (By the way Kambar wrote that Ramayana at the Krishna temple> > in my native village) In several other states in South 'Adhyatma> > Ramayana' I believe. But the simple fact is that - south is so vast> > with varying cultures and languages of AP,Karnataka, Kerala,> > Tamilnadu, and the Tulu language and culture of Western cost. Every> > state is a knowledge house - actually the believed to be lost Sanskrit> > works are coming to light now a days by re-writing the ancient> > Sanskrit works from Southern Regional scripts to Devanagari script.> > ==>> > > As such, please concentrate yourself on astrological and> > > astronomical points alone in this forum.> > <==> > Thanks for the advice. > > ==>> > > pl. go through the Manusmriti!> > <==> > Lol....) I know what it is - are you starting a new controversy?!!> > ==>> > > Right now, you are just digressing from the main issue which> > > is "ancient Indian astrology" (or the lack of it!).> > <==> > We will haply do that - then again don't come in-between with> > Valmiki (or any other) Ramayana or such references. ) Do you> > remember - it is YOU who started it all. ) If you don't remember> > read> /message/3495> > So the lesson to remember is - don't put your hand in the frying pan!> > Or if you does please have the patience to wait till it gets fried> > enough! Lol..... ) And now you comes out with the advice – don't> > discuss Valmiki Ramyana – if not laugh, what can I do?!! ) Don't> > commit the same with Manusmriti – it is ok, in astrology forum we> can> > safely ignore it. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> >> > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > jyotirved@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > Namaskar!> > > <Why it became necessary? Because the Sanskrit> > > Ramayana ascribed to valmiki hurts the feelings of not only south> > > indians but also north indians - or better all hindus, buddists,> > > jains, tantrics - since it deals with many rituals and ideas - not> > > considered as ethical or even sane in today's world.>> > >> > > You are confusing the issues unnecessarily!> > >> > > The fact rmains that there has been a historial personality like> > > Shri Ram prior to Shri Krishen as it is mentioned in several works> > > including the Mbh.> > >> > > Irrespecitve of the fact whether Kaliyuga started in 3102 BCE or is> > > yet to start, Shri Krishen had incarnated at least --- if worst coms> > > to worst!---prior to one thousand BCE. Obviously, Shri Ram had> > > incarnated much before Him.> > >> > > Thus the presumption that the Valmiki Ramayana was written after 2nd> > > century BCE cannot be correct since we have references to Valmiki> > > much prior to that period!> > >> > > Now comes the point of redactions in the Ramayana!> > >> > > There have been redactions in the astronomical works -- plagiarisms> > > galore! The Vishnudharmotarapurana has purloined the astronomical> > > portion of Brahmasphuta Sidhanta without giving any due credits!> > > Similarly, a lot of cunfusion is there as to who has written the> > > present version of the Surya Sidhanta! Maya the mlechha did not> > > disclose his original name that he was a Greek stooge sent to> > > confuse Hindus by making them astro adicts!> > >> > > Then We are having thousands of Samhitas like "Brighu" and "Varuna"> > > and "Aruna" and even "Ravana-samhita" and everybody knows in his> > > heart of hearts that they are fake works, concoctions of the worst> > > order! Same is the case with the much taunted Brihat Parashara Hora> > > Shastram---all the versions available currently!> > >> > > Uttarakalamrita of some god-forsaken Kalidasa is being claimed to> > > have been written by Maha-kavi Kalidasa and so on!> > >> > > In spite of such glaring fake products jyotishis are running after> > > them and vying with one another to be called as "Varahamahira" when> > > actually he was the "greatest charlatan of the last two millennia"!> > >> > > As such, why are you just after the Valmiki Ramayana? Charity> > > begins at home and so does the clearing of Augean stables! You> > > first clear the mental cobwebs of "jyotishis" about all such> > > astrological and "astronomical" works by "stalwats" since you are> > > supposed to be an authority about those books/tpics/points. You> > > (and me as well!) are no authority on history! Even there we find> > > at least a dozen versions of the Ramayanas -- the most prominent> > > ones being Adyatma Ramayana, Valmiki Ramayana, Barvai Ramayana,> > > Tulsi Ramayana and so on. I also learn that there are a few> > > versions in South India, perhaps the most promnent one being "Kamba> > > Ramayana" -- I may be wrong in naming as well spelling of that work,> > > but the fact remains that in every part of Bharatavarsha, we have> > > Ramayanas in several forms!> > >> > > There is a work "Raghuvamasham" by Kalidasa, and it is sheer beauty> > > just for the poetry itself!> > >> > > As such, please concentrate yourself on astrological and> > > astronomical points alone in this forum. If you want to discuss the> > > originality or otherwise of the Valmiki Ramayana, then you have to> > > discuss other works also, whether they are from South India or from> > > North. For that purpose, you may create a different forum and have> > > a thorough discussion! Mention the purpose of that forum in> > > the "frontspiece" there. I will ge glad to join you there also and> > > try to sift the grain from the chaf! But right now you are treading> > > on too many toes unnecessarily and this is not going to serve any> > > purpose!> > >> > > (About the reality of Valmiki Rishi, pl. go through Adyatma> Ramayana!> > > About the real qualities/qualifications--or lack of them!--of> > > Brahmins, pl. go through the Manusmriti!)> > > Right now, you are just digressing from the main issue whch> > > is "ancient Indian astrology" (or the lack of it!).> > > With regards,> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Finn ji,> > > > Calling Ramayana available today ascribed to 'valmiki' (but NOT> > > > written by him) as divine also hurts the feelings of many -> > > especially> > > > south indians - and that was why this text was re-written by many> > > like -> > > > * Tulasidas in North (to recast it giving importance to Bhakri)> > > and> > > > * Adhyatma Ramayana in South (-do-)> > > > - and many more. Why it became necessary? Because the Sanskrit> > > > ramayana ascribed to valmiki hurts the feelings of not only south> > > > indians but also north indians - or better all hindus, buddists,> > > > jains, tantrics - since it deals with many rituals and ideas - not> > > > considered as ethical or even sane in today's world. A fact is a> > > fact> > > > is a fact. Of course it is a great source for further studies -> and> > > > one of the unique texts we have - that is another matter. Of> > > course> > > > many of these things should can be avoided being discussed in this> > > > group – but some how when we discuss the astrology in Ramayana> –> > > many> > > > of these points comes up. Therefore let us understand both sides> of> > > > the coin and bear with some of the criticisms in support of or> > > > against. Both of them are sure to surface – if we are dealing> with> > > > such a subject. Even while we deal with nirayana or tropical> > > astrology> > > > then too we cannot avoid some such controversies if we are> > > approaching> > > > the subject sincerely.> > > > Note: But I will try to keep your advice in mind. Thanks for the> > > advice.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > >> > > > > >>...and that is why Ramayana is a mere literary text, and NOT a> > > > > divine one...<<> > > > >> > > > > Please, this statement is uncalled for! There is no reason to> > > hurt> > > > > some peoples religious feelings...> > > > >> > > > > Finn> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>