Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, ==> > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date of > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I have > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! <== With all regards to Prafulla ji, I should agree that you said it well. ) Yah, it is the case of affairs in many cases. People start speaking without doing enough homework, and even when the realities are pointed out most of the time they are not ready seek further and correct the views or collect more evidences; usually instead they go on endlessly arguing - trying to prove what they already stated was correct and exact (yes, by hook or crook)! It is only when people come out of this vicious cycle and - * start collecting more data in support of and against their perspectives. * start trying to view things from others perspective as well * start analyzing the data at hand in depth to reveal new info - new insights will come and the discussions will become interesting and informative. But usually people forget even the basic procedures and don't what to do even the essential homework! Essentially that itself seems to be the cause of current state of affairs. Some passing thoughts: ---------------------- By the way, don't club Mahabharata and Ramayana together - Mahabharata is a great text, even though the 'fishing efforts' to fix the date of Mahabharata are usually useless, lacking even the understanding of the questions such as - * Based on What the start data of Kaliyuga was fixed around BC 3100; and how the argument itself is baseless. (Hint: Aryabhateeya) * How the different accounts of the Yuga system - differs greatly. * Is there any exact pointer to show in which era the if at all such a war took place? (With the count of population in bygone past, it is impossible). Did some body actually verified those dates? Even if they did - how can you base your history on a literary text (instead of taking it ONLY as a possible supportive evidence)?! Look at the funniest argument - * Atom bomb, Ballistic Missile, Aeroplane, All the most modern science, Extra saturnian planets - Oh! And will you live some thing for the modern science to explore? ) The point is - * Truths are beautiful - they don't need hilarious ballooning to stand. Mahabharata is a beautiful text, a great knowledge house with can tech us a thousand things, but no - not your stupid hallucinations - such hallucinations are an insult to Mahabharata and its beauty itself. Don't try to make a literary text a political tool. (Yes, Can you believe, usually the basic intention after the efforts to fix the date of Mahabharata itself is political! Intentional corruption to prove the antiquity of 'Hindu' tradition! Non sincere Fanatics!) Search after antiquity is good only as long as it is sincere. Love, Sreenadh , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > I have heard quite a few funny statements from " Vedeic astrologers " > but this is the funniest one that the date of Jan 3, 5588 BC > Gregorian is equivalent to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian! > > Are you discussing " Vedic astrology " or astronmy? > > You do not know even ABC of the fact that prior to Pope Gregory XIII > there could not be any Gregorian Calendar! But maybe it is like > Lahiri Ayanamsha according of " Vedic astrologers " for which Maharshi > Parashara was waiting for five thousand years to " reveal " his Brihat > Parashara! > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date of > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I have > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > With regards, > AKK > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > Namaskar! > > > I think that there is some misunderstanding. > > > What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.(Pl. disregard ealrier message of 20Nov) > > > So please enter 16 Feb 5589BCE in your computer and see. > > > Please do not add delta T correction.(Do not enter 18Feb Nov). > > > (I expect that my calculation takes care of delta T) > > > Please let me know. > > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > > I think that your computer may show moon and nodes slightly off > but > > > other planets should come correct. > > > Prafulla > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > <Does your software accept Gregarian date?> > > > > Almost every software converts " Gregorian " dates to Julian by > > > > subtracting ten days if the dates are prior to/of October 5, > > > 1582. > > > > After that date i.e. October 5, 1582, any date i.e. the dates > of > > > > Gregorian calenar, are accepted by any software without any > such > > > > corrections. > > > > With regards, > > > > AKK > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > Thanks for checking. > > > > > Does your software accept Gregarian date? > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vamana Mendki ji, > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > The following is the planetary position, both so called > > sayana > > > > and > > > > > > so called Lahiri nirayana for Jan 3, 5588 BC, 12 Noon LMT, > > of > > > ET > > > > > for > > > > > > Ayodhya, that corresponds to Jan 5, 5588 BC for 3-29-30 ET > > > since > > > > > the > > > > > > approximate Delta Time then was 162506 seconds: > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, your calculations are absolutely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, it is a moot point if India did have any > > methodology > > > of > > > > > > calculating planets at that remote point of time i.e. more > > > than > > > > > 7000 > > > > > > years back! > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, all the efforts of stalwarts to calculate > > horoscopes > > > of > > > > > > Bhagwan Rama and Bhagwan Krishna or Mahabharata are > > > > > > " yoon to hai hamko jannat kee hakeekat maloom lekin, > > > > > > dil ke bahlane ko ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > > > > > > > > > > As such,it is a good past time for " jyotishis " of today to > > > > > subjugate > > > > > > divine incarnations also to planetary suzarinity. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > AVtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > (Sayana) > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon 04°Ar30´58´´ > > > > > > Sun 02°Sg55´29´´ ´ > > > > > > Mer 09°Sc32 > > > > > > Ven 00°Sg49 > > > > > > Mar 01°Aq04 > > > > > > Jup 15°Ge23 R > > > > > > Sat 22°Cn31 R ´ > > > > > > Nod 27°Pis26 R > > > > > > SNo 27°Vi26 R : 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha 80 degrees 20 minutes plus > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > CHART POINTS > > > > > > Point Longitude > > > > > > Mon 25°Ge50´46´´ ´ > > > > > > Sun 23°Aq15´17´´ > > > > > > Mer 29°Cp52 > > > > > > Ven 21°Aq09 > > > > > > Mar 21°Ar24 > > > > > > Jup 05°Vi43 R ´ > > > > > > Sat 12°Li50 R > > > > > > Nod 17°Ge46 R > > > > > > SNo 17°Sg46 R : 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > > Mendki " > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Vaman Mendki > > > > > > House No.616/1,Kaustubh Bungalow > > > > > > Near Mhasoba Temple, > > > > > > Kalyan(W)421301 > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476 > > > > > > Email:prafulla_mendki@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following information gives my calculations about > > > Ramayana > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayana and Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriRam was born on 3 Jan 5588BC (5589BCE)Greg, > > Chaitra > > > > > Shukla > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when the Planet positions were as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun : 5 deg Airis Moon: 98 deg,Near Punervasu, > Pushya > > > > > (Cancer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus : 357 Deg (Pisces) Mars : 275 Deg > > > > (Capricornus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor: 110 Deg(Cancer) Saturn : 182 Deg (Libra), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu: 154 Deg(Virgo) , Mercury : 30 Deg (Taurus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were two Chaitra months.First started at 330 > > Deg. > > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started on 26 Dec 5589BC,Greg, at 358 Deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After ShriRamjanma,after 31687days(1073 months),on > > > > > > 25Sept5502BC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poush(Magha) no moon day and Autumn equinox day, > Treta > > > Yug > > > > > > ended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Dwaparyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1, Kaliyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jan 3101BC, Falgun no moon day, all planets > > > (except > > > > > > Venus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were in Pisces.Venus was in Airis.All planets were > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eachother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 th Sept 3008BC,Kartik no moon day,Sun and Moon > > > were > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 213.33 Deg(Nabhi)and there was solar eclipse at > > Sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata war started on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 3008BC,Magh Shukla 8,winter solastice day, > > > Moon > > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini. Bhishma died on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 10 Sept 3008BC = 942584 days = > 31919 > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC to 25 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada no moon > > day > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2480 days = 84 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13, North > > > solastice > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 years of Sandhi period ended and actual kaliyug > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However ShriKrishna was alive at this time and > > therefore > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not believe that Kaliyug had started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC Kartik no moon day to 24 Nov 2003 > > > AD,Kartik > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon day = 1830304 days = 61980 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 24 Nov 2003 AD =2772888 days = > 93899 > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Computer programs can not show these dates correctly > > > > because > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not taken into account change in synodic month > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However http://www.moshier.net gives newmoontab.zip > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It shows 11 April 3000BC(3001BCE) Julian( 18 March > > Greg) > > > > at > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:08:1.814 as new moon time(ephemeris time). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After adding delta T of 23:46:30 and 5:30 for IST, > it > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 March 3000 BC Greg, 9:24:41.814 IST as new moon > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008 BC (6:24 AM) to 19 March 3000BC (9:24AM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =2746.125 days =93 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore 10 Sept 3008BC date matches with this > table. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me lunar month is increasing by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.00000001283days/year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 5000 years (Mahabharata > > to > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 29.53055667 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 7500 years (Ramayana > to > > > > > present) > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29.53054058days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Shri Sreenadh ji, Namaskar! <Mahabharata is a beautiful text, a great knowledge house with can tech us a thousand things, but no - not your stupid hallucinations - such hallucinations are an insult to Mahabharata > I may be stupid (glad that you have recognized your counter-part!) but I have never had stupid hallucinations! Or is it that you just wanted to say " not the stupid hallucinations " instead of " not your stupid hallucinations " ? Regards, AKK , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Kaul ji, > ==> > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date of > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I have > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > <== > With all regards to Prafulla ji, I should agree that you said it > well. ) > Yah, it is the case of affairs in many cases. People start speaking > without doing enough homework, and even when the realities are > pointed out most of the time they are not ready seek further and > correct the views or collect more evidences; usually instead they go > on endlessly arguing - trying to prove what they already stated was > correct and exact (yes, by hook or crook)! > It is only when people come out of this vicious cycle and - > * start collecting more data in support of and against their > perspectives. > * start trying to view things from others perspective as well > * start analyzing the data at hand in depth to reveal new info > - new insights will come and the discussions will become interesting > and informative. But usually people forget even the basic procedures > and don't what to do even the essential homework! Essentially that > itself seems to be the cause of current state of affairs. > > Some passing thoughts: > ---------------------- > By the way, don't club Mahabharata and Ramayana together - > Mahabharata is a great text, even though the 'fishing efforts' to fix > the date of Mahabharata are usually useless, lacking even the > understanding of the questions such as - > * Based on What the start data of Kaliyuga was fixed around BC 3100; > and how the argument itself is baseless. (Hint: Aryabhateeya) > * How the different accounts of the Yuga system - differs greatly. > * Is there any exact pointer to show in which era the if at all such > a war took place? (With the count of population in bygone past, it is > impossible). Did some body actually verified those dates? Even if > they did - how can you base your history on a literary text (instead > of taking it ONLY as a possible supportive evidence)?! > Look at the funniest argument - > * Atom bomb, Ballistic Missile, Aeroplane, All the most modern > science, Extra saturnian planets - Oh! And will you live some thing > for the modern science to explore? ) > The point is - > * Truths are beautiful - they don't need hilarious ballooning to > stand. Mahabharata is a beautiful text, a great knowledge house with > can tech us a thousand things, but no - not your stupid > hallucinations - such hallucinations are an insult to Mahabharata and > its beauty itself. Don't try to make a literary text a political > tool. (Yes, Can you believe, usually the basic intention after the > efforts to fix the date of Mahabharata itself is political! > Intentional corruption to prove the antiquity of 'Hindu' tradition! > Non sincere Fanatics!) Search after antiquity is good only as long as > it is sincere. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > > <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > > I have heard quite a few funny statements from " Vedeic astrologers " > > but this is the funniest one that the date of Jan 3, 5588 BC > > Gregorian is equivalent to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian! > > > > Are you discussing " Vedic astrology " or astronmy? > > > > You do not know even ABC of the fact that prior to Pope Gregory > XIII > > there could not be any Gregorian Calendar! But maybe it is like > > Lahiri Ayanamsha according of " Vedic astrologers " for which > Maharshi > > Parashara was waiting for five thousand years to " reveal " his > Brihat > > Parashara! > > > > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date of > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I have > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > > With regards, > > AKK > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > Namaskar! > > > > I think that there is some misunderstanding. > > > > What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.(Pl. disregard ealrier message of 20Nov) > > > > So please enter 16 Feb 5589BCE in your computer and see. > > > > Please do not add delta T correction.(Do not enter 18Feb Nov). > > > > (I expect that my calculation takes care of delta T) > > > > Please let me know. > > > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > > > I think that your computer may show moon and nodes slightly off > > but > > > > other planets should come correct. > > > > Prafulla > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > <Does your software accept Gregarian date?> > > > > > Almost every software converts " Gregorian " dates to Julian by > > > > > subtracting ten days if the dates are prior to/of October 5, > > > > 1582. > > > > > After that date i.e. October 5, 1582, any date i.e. the dates > > of > > > > > Gregorian calenar, are accepted by any software without any > > such > > > > > corrections. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > AKK > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > > Thanks for checking. > > > > > > Does your software accept Gregarian date? > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vamana Mendki ji, > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > The following is the planetary position, both so called > > > sayana > > > > > and > > > > > > > so called Lahiri nirayana for Jan 3, 5588 BC, 12 Noon > LMT, > > > of > > > > ET > > > > > > for > > > > > > > Ayodhya, that corresponds to Jan 5, 5588 BC for 3-29- 30 > ET > > > > since > > > > > > the > > > > > > > approximate Delta Time then was 162506 seconds: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, your calculations are absolutely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, it is a moot point if India did have any > > > methodology > > > > of > > > > > > > calculating planets at that remote point of time i.e. > more > > > > than > > > > > > 7000 > > > > > > > years back! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, all the efforts of stalwarts to calculate > > > horoscopes > > > > of > > > > > > > Bhagwan Rama and Bhagwan Krishna or Mahabharata are > > > > > > > " yoon to hai hamko jannat kee hakeekat maloom lekin, > > > > > > > dil ke bahlane ko ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such,it is a good past time for " jyotishis " of today > to > > > > > > subjugate > > > > > > > divine incarnations also to planetary suzarinity. > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > AVtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > (Sayana) > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon 04°Ar30´58´´ > > > > > > > Sun 02°Sg55´29´´ ´ > > > > > > > Mer 09°Sc32 > > > > > > > Ven 00°Sg49 > > > > > > > Mar 01°Aq04 > > > > > > > Jup 15°Ge23 R > > > > > > > Sat 22°Cn31 R ´ > > > > > > > Nod 27°Pis26 R > > > > > > > SNo 27°Vi26 R : 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha 80 degrees 20 minutes plus > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CHART POINTS > > > > > > > Point Longitude > > > > > > > Mon 25°Ge50´46´´ ´ > > > > > > > Sun 23°Aq15´17´´ > > > > > > > Mer 29°Cp52 > > > > > > > Ven 21°Aq09 > > > > > > > Mar 21°Ar24 > > > > > > > Jup 05°Vi43 R ´ > > > > > > > Sat 12°Li50 R > > > > > > > Nod 17°Ge46 R > > > > > > > SNo 17°Sg46 R : 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > > > Mendki " > > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Vaman Mendki > > > > > > > House No.616/1,Kaustubh Bungalow > > > > > > > Near Mhasoba Temple, > > > > > > > Kalyan(W)421301 > > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476 > > > > > > > Email:prafulla_mendki@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following information gives my calculations about > > > > Ramayana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayana and Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriRam was born on 3 Jan 5588BC (5589BCE)Greg, > > > Chaitra > > > > > > Shukla > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when the Planet positions were as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun : 5 deg Airis Moon: 98 deg,Near Punervasu, > > Pushya > > > > > > (Cancer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus : 357 Deg (Pisces) Mars : 275 Deg > > > > > (Capricornus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor: 110 Deg(Cancer) Saturn : 182 Deg (Libra), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu: 154 Deg(Virgo) , Mercury : 30 Deg (Taurus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were two Chaitra months.First started at 330 > > > Deg. > > > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started on 26 Dec 5589BC,Greg, at 358 Deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After ShriRamjanma,after 31687days(1073 months),on > > > > > > > 25Sept5502BC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poush(Magha) no moon day and Autumn equinox day, > > Treta > > > > Yug > > > > > > > ended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Dwaparyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1, Kaliyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jan 3101BC, Falgun no moon day, all planets > > > > (except > > > > > > > Venus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were in Pisces.Venus was in Airis.All planets were > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eachother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 th Sept 3008BC,Kartik no moon day,Sun and > Moon > > > > were > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 213.33 Deg(Nabhi)and there was solar eclipse at > > > Sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata war started on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 3008BC,Magh Shukla 8,winter solastice > day, > > > > Moon > > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini. Bhishma died on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 10 Sept 3008BC = 942584 days = > > 31919 > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC to 25 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada no > moon > > > day > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2480 days = 84 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13, North > > > > solastice > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 years of Sandhi period ended and actual kaliyug > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However ShriKrishna was alive at this time and > > > therefore > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not believe that Kaliyug had started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC Kartik no moon day to 24 Nov 2003 > > > > AD,Kartik > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon day = 1830304 days = 61980 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 24 Nov 2003 AD =2772888 days = > > 93899 > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Computer programs can not show these dates > correctly > > > > > because > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not taken into account change in synodic month > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However http://www.moshier.net gives newmoontab.zip > > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It shows 11 April 3000BC(3001BCE) Julian( 18 March > > > Greg) > > > > > at > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:08:1.814 as new moon time(ephemeris time). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After adding delta T of 23:46:30 and 5:30 for IST, > > it > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 March 3000 BC Greg, 9:24:41.814 IST as new moon > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008 BC (6:24 AM) to 19 March 3000BC > (9:24AM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =2746.125 days =93 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore 10 Sept 3008BC date matches with this > > table. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me lunar month is increasing by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.00000001283days/year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 5000 years > (Mahabharata > > > to > > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 29.53055667 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 7500 years (Ramayana > > to > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29.53054058days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, Namaskar! <You always think that you are clever.> You got me absolutely wrong! If I had been clever enough, I would have intuitively known the astronomical principles of your funniest statement <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> Since I am not " clever " but just a learner, would you please enlighten me as to how you have made the above statement that Jan 3 5588 BC is equal to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian. Besides, pl. enlighten me as to what is the difference between BC and BCE in the above two dates to enable me to proceed further. What is also the julian Day or even the Kaliahargan for the epoch for which you want planetary details so that there is no confusion since you claim that your program includes Delta Time corrections also---which may be even upto two days in 5000 BCE. Dhanyavad. AKK HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > Dear Avtarji > Namaskar! > You always think that you are clever. > But you do not uderstand other people's view. > However I do not want to discuss to convince you. > I only request you to see 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian on your computer > and give the results. > I am giving this only as an information to the group. > I do not need any approval from you.I am getting approval from > a reputed astronomer and Almanac maker. > Prafulla > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > > <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > > I have heard quite a few funny statements from " Vedeic > astrologers " > > but this is the funniest one that the date of Jan 3, 5588 BC > > Gregorian is equivalent to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian! > > > > Are you discussing " Vedic astrology " or astronmy? > > > > You do not know even ABC of the fact that prior to Pope Gregory > XIII > > there could not be any Gregorian Calendar! But maybe it is like > > Lahiri Ayanamsha according of " Vedic astrologers " for which > Maharshi > > Parashara was waiting for five thousand years to " reveal " his > Brihat > > Parashara! > > > > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date of > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I > have > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > > With regards, > > AKK > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, All the statements after the heading " Some passing thoughts " in the previous mail was just flying general thoughts, and was not at all addressing to you (Kaul ji). May in those moments of writing that mail, the people (the fanatics), who mixes up many things were in my mind and the word 'you' refers to them, and NO, Never to Kaul ji. So please reading anything below the heading " Some passing thoughts " as if some stuff or general statements that are not at all addressing you, but as some echoing general thought addressing none in particular - or may be keeping fanatics at the opposite side. Note: I never intended to say anything of that sort addressing you! And be assured that those words are NOT addressing you. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > Shri Sreenadh ji, > Namaskar! > <Mahabharata is a beautiful text, a great knowledge house with > can tech us a thousand things, but no - not your stupid > hallucinations - such hallucinations are an insult to Mahabharata > > > I may be stupid (glad that you have recognized your counter-part!) > but I have never had stupid hallucinations! Or is it that you just > wanted to say " not the stupid hallucinations " instead of " not your > stupid hallucinations " ? > Regards, > AKK > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kaul ji, > > ==> > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date > of > > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I > have > > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > > <== > > With all regards to Prafulla ji, I should agree that you said it > > well. ) > > Yah, it is the case of affairs in many cases. People start > speaking > > without doing enough homework, and even when the realities are > > pointed out most of the time they are not ready seek further and > > correct the views or collect more evidences; usually instead they > go > > on endlessly arguing - trying to prove what they already stated > was > > correct and exact (yes, by hook or crook)! > > It is only when people come out of this vicious cycle and - > > * start collecting more data in support of and against their > > perspectives. > > * start trying to view things from others perspective as well > > * start analyzing the data at hand in depth to reveal new info > > - new insights will come and the discussions will become > interesting > > and informative. But usually people forget even the basic > procedures > > and don't what to do even the essential homework! Essentially that > > itself seems to be the cause of current state of affairs. > > > > Some passing thoughts: > > ---------------------- > > By the way, don't club Mahabharata and Ramayana together - > > Mahabharata is a great text, even though the 'fishing efforts' to > fix > > the date of Mahabharata are usually useless, lacking even the > > understanding of the questions such as - > > * Based on What the start data of Kaliyuga was fixed around BC > 3100; > > and how the argument itself is baseless. (Hint: Aryabhateeya) > > * How the different accounts of the Yuga system - differs > greatly. > > * Is there any exact pointer to show in which era the if at all > such > > a war took place? (With the count of population in bygone past, it > is > > impossible). Did some body actually verified those dates? Even if > > they did - how can you base your history on a literary text > (instead > > of taking it ONLY as a possible supportive evidence)?! > > Look at the funniest argument - > > * Atom bomb, Ballistic Missile, Aeroplane, All the most modern > > science, Extra saturnian planets - Oh! And will you live some > thing > > for the modern science to explore? ) > > The point is - > > * Truths are beautiful - they don't need hilarious ballooning to > > stand. Mahabharata is a beautiful text, a great knowledge house > with > > can tech us a thousand things, but no - not your stupid > > hallucinations - such hallucinations are an insult to Mahabharata > and > > its beauty itself. Don't try to make a literary text a political > > tool. (Yes, Can you believe, usually the basic intention after the > > efforts to fix the date of Mahabharata itself is political! > > Intentional corruption to prove the antiquity of 'Hindu' > tradition! > > Non sincere Fanatics!) Search after antiquity is good only as long > as > > it is sincere. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Avtar Krishen > Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > > > <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > > > I have heard quite a few funny statements from " Vedeic > astrologers " > > > but this is the funniest one that the date of Jan 3, 5588 BC > > > Gregorian is equivalent to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian! > > > > > > Are you discussing " Vedic astrology " or astronmy? > > > > > > You do not know even ABC of the fact that prior to Pope Gregory > > XIII > > > there could not be any Gregorian Calendar! But maybe it is like > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha according of " Vedic astrologers " for which > > Maharshi > > > Parashara was waiting for five thousand years to " reveal " his > > Brihat > > > Parashara! > > > > > > > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date > of > > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I > have > > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > > > With regards, > > > AKK > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > I think that there is some misunderstanding. > > > > > What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.(Pl. disregard ealrier message of > 20Nov) > > > > > So please enter 16 Feb 5589BCE in your computer and see. > > > > > Please do not add delta T correction.(Do not enter 18Feb > Nov). > > > > > (I expect that my calculation takes care of delta T) > > > > > Please let me know. > > > > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > > > > I think that your computer may show moon and nodes slightly > off > > > but > > > > > other planets should come correct. > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > <Does your software accept Gregarian date?> > > > > > > Almost every software converts " Gregorian " dates to Julian > by > > > > > > subtracting ten days if the dates are prior to/of October > 5, > > > > > 1582. > > > > > > After that date i.e. October 5, 1582, any date i.e. the > dates > > > of > > > > > > Gregorian calenar, are accepted by any software without > any > > > such > > > > > > corrections. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > AKK > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > Mendki " > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > > > Thanks for checking. > > > > > > > Does your software accept Gregarian date? > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen > Kaul " > > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vamana Mendki ji, > > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > > The following is the planetary position, both so > called > > > > sayana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > so called Lahiri nirayana for Jan 3, 5588 BC, 12 Noon > > LMT, > > > > of > > > > > ET > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Ayodhya, that corresponds to Jan 5, 5588 BC for 3-29- > 30 > > ET > > > > > since > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > approximate Delta Time then was 162506 seconds: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, your calculations are absolutely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, it is a moot point if India did have any > > > > methodology > > > > > of > > > > > > > > calculating planets at that remote point of time i.e. > > more > > > > > than > > > > > > > 7000 > > > > > > > > years back! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, all the efforts of stalwarts to calculate > > > > horoscopes > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Bhagwan Rama and Bhagwan Krishna or Mahabharata are > > > > > > > > " yoon to hai hamko jannat kee hakeekat maloom lekin, > > > > > > > > dil ke bahlane ko ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such,it is a good past time for " jyotishis " of > today > > to > > > > > > > subjugate > > > > > > > > divine incarnations also to planetary suzarinity. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > AVtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > > (Sayana) > > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST > = > > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon 04°Ar30´58´´ > > > > > > > > Sun 02°Sg55´29´´ ´ > > > > > > > > Mer 09°Sc32 > > > > > > > > Ven 00°Sg49 > > > > > > > > Mar 01°Aq04 > > > > > > > > Jup 15°Ge23 R > > > > > > > > Sat 22°Cn31 R ´ > > > > > > > > Nod 27°Pis26 R > > > > > > > > SNo 27°Vi26 R : 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha 80 degrees 20 minutes plus > > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST > = > > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CHART POINTS > > > > > > > > Point Longitude > > > > > > > > Mon 25°Ge50´46´´ ´ > > > > > > > > Sun 23°Aq15´17´´ > > > > > > > > Mer 29°Cp52 > > > > > > > > Ven 21°Aq09 > > > > > > > > Mar 21°Ar24 > > > > > > > > Jup 05°Vi43 R ´ > > > > > > > > Sat 12°Li50 R > > > > > > > > Nod 17°Ge46 R > > > > > > > > SNo 17°Sg46 R : 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > > > > Mendki " > > > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Vaman Mendki > > > > > > > > House No.616/1,Kaustubh Bungalow > > > > > > > > Near Mhasoba Temple, > > > > > > > > Kalyan(W)421301 > > > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476 > > > > > > > > Email:prafulla_mendki@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following information gives my calculations > about > > > > > Ramayana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayana and > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriRam was born on 3 Jan 5588BC (5589BCE)Greg, > > > > Chaitra > > > > > > > Shukla > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when the Planet positions were as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun : 5 deg Airis Moon: 98 deg,Near Punervasu, > > > Pushya > > > > > > > (Cancer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus : 357 Deg (Pisces) Mars : 275 Deg > > > > > > (Capricornus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor: 110 Deg(Cancer) Saturn : 182 Deg > (Libra), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu: 154 Deg(Virgo) , Mercury : 30 Deg (Taurus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were two Chaitra months.First started at > 330 > > > > Deg. > > > > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started on 26 Dec 5589BC,Greg, at 358 Deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After ShriRamjanma,after 31687days(1073 > months),on > > > > > > > > 25Sept5502BC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poush(Magha) no moon day and Autumn equinox day, > > > Treta > > > > > Yug > > > > > > > > ended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Dwaparyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1, Kaliyug > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jan 3101BC, Falgun no moon day, all > planets > > > > > (except > > > > > > > > Venus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were in Pisces.Venus was in Airis.All planets > were > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eachother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 th Sept 3008BC,Kartik no moon day,Sun and > > Moon > > > > > were > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 213.33 Deg(Nabhi)and there was solar eclipse at > > > > Sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata war started on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 3008BC,Magh Shukla 8,winter solastice > > day, > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini. Bhishma died on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 10 Sept 3008BC = 942584 days = > > > 31919 > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC to 25 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada no > > moon > > > > day > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2480 days = 84 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13, North > > > > > solastice > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 years of Sandhi period ended and actual > kaliyug > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However ShriKrishna was alive at this time and > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not believe that Kaliyug had started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC Kartik no moon day to 24 Nov 2003 > > > > > AD,Kartik > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon day = 1830304 days = 61980 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 24 Nov 2003 AD =2772888 days = > > > 93899 > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Computer programs can not show these dates > > correctly > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not taken into account change in synodic > month > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However http://www.moshier.net gives > newmoontab.zip > > > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It shows 11 April 3000BC(3001BCE) Julian( 18 > March > > > > Greg) > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:08:1.814 as new moon time(ephemeris time). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After adding delta T of 23:46:30 and 5:30 for > IST, > > > it > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 March 3000 BC Greg, 9:24:41.814 IST as new > moon > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008 BC (6:24 AM) to 19 March 3000BC > > (9:24AM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =2746.125 days =93 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore 10 Sept 3008BC date matches with this > > > table. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me lunar month is increasing by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.00000001283days/year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 5000 years > > (Mahabharata > > > > to > > > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 29.53055667 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 7500 years > (Ramayana > > > to > > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29.53054058days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, Actually, you must have noted that all the statements below the heading " Some passing thoughts " (and above it!) are in support of you, and not against you. So I should ascertain that almost no 'you' used in that mail actually refers to 'You' (i.e. Kaul ji), but points to some imaginary opponent. Love, Sreenadh , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Kaul ji, > All the statements after the heading " Some passing thoughts " in the > previous mail was just flying general thoughts, and was not at all > addressing to you (Kaul ji). May in those moments of writing that > mail, the people (the fanatics), who mixes up many things were in my > mind and the word 'you' refers to them, and NO, Never to Kaul ji. > So please reading anything below the heading " Some passing > thoughts " as if some stuff or general statements that are not at all > addressing you, but as some echoing general thought addressing none > in particular - or may be keeping fanatics at the opposite side. > Note: I never intended to say anything of that sort addressing you! > And be assured that those words are NOT addressing you. > Love and Hugs, > Sreenadh > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Shri Sreenadh ji, > > Namaskar! > > <Mahabharata is a beautiful text, a great knowledge house with > > can tech us a thousand things, but no - not your stupid > > hallucinations - such hallucinations are an insult to Mahabharata > > > > > I may be stupid (glad that you have recognized your counter- part!) > > but I have never had stupid hallucinations! Or is it that you just > > wanted to say " not the stupid hallucinations " instead of " not your > > stupid hallucinations " ? > > Regards, > > AKK > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kaul ji, > > > ==> > > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date > > of > > > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I > > have > > > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > > > <== > > > With all regards to Prafulla ji, I should agree that you said it > > > well. ) > > > Yah, it is the case of affairs in many cases. People start > > speaking > > > without doing enough homework, and even when the realities are > > > pointed out most of the time they are not ready seek further and > > > correct the views or collect more evidences; usually instead they > > go > > > on endlessly arguing - trying to prove what they already stated > > was > > > correct and exact (yes, by hook or crook)! > > > It is only when people come out of this vicious cycle and - > > > * start collecting more data in support of and against their > > > perspectives. > > > * start trying to view things from others perspective as well > > > * start analyzing the data at hand in depth to reveal new info > > > - new insights will come and the discussions will become > > interesting > > > and informative. But usually people forget even the basic > > procedures > > > and don't what to do even the essential homework! Essentially > that > > > itself seems to be the cause of current state of affairs. > > > > > > Some passing thoughts: > > > ---------------------- > > > By the way, don't club Mahabharata and Ramayana together - > > > Mahabharata is a great text, even though the 'fishing efforts' to > > fix > > > the date of Mahabharata are usually useless, lacking even the > > > understanding of the questions such as - > > > * Based on What the start data of Kaliyuga was fixed around BC > > 3100; > > > and how the argument itself is baseless. (Hint: Aryabhateeya) > > > * How the different accounts of the Yuga system - differs > > greatly. > > > * Is there any exact pointer to show in which era the if at all > > such > > > a war took place? (With the count of population in bygone past, > it > > is > > > impossible). Did some body actually verified those dates? Even if > > > they did - how can you base your history on a literary text > > (instead > > > of taking it ONLY as a possible supportive evidence)?! > > > Look at the funniest argument - > > > * Atom bomb, Ballistic Missile, Aeroplane, All the most modern > > > science, Extra saturnian planets - Oh! And will you live some > > thing > > > for the modern science to explore? ) > > > The point is - > > > * Truths are beautiful - they don't need hilarious ballooning to > > > stand. Mahabharata is a beautiful text, a great knowledge house > > with > > > can tech us a thousand things, but no - not your stupid > > > hallucinations - such hallucinations are an insult to Mahabharata > > and > > > its beauty itself. Don't try to make a literary text a political > > > tool. (Yes, Can you believe, usually the basic intention after > the > > > efforts to fix the date of Mahabharata itself is political! > > > Intentional corruption to prove the antiquity of 'Hindu' > > tradition! > > > Non sincere Fanatics!) Search after antiquity is good only as > long > > as > > > it is sincere. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen > > Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > > > > <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > > > > I have heard quite a few funny statements from " Vedeic > > astrologers " > > > > but this is the funniest one that the date of Jan 3, 5588 BC > > > > Gregorian is equivalent to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian! > > > > > > > > Are you discussing " Vedic astrology " or astronmy? > > > > > > > > You do not know even ABC of the fact that prior to Pope Gregory > > > XIII > > > > there could not be any Gregorian Calendar! But maybe it is like > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha according of " Vedic astrologers " for which > > > Maharshi > > > > Parashara was waiting for five thousand years to " reveal " his > > > Brihat > > > > Parashara! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date > > of > > > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I > > have > > > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > > > > With regards, > > > > AKK > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > I think that there is some misunderstanding. > > > > > > What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.(Pl. disregard ealrier message of > > 20Nov) > > > > > > So please enter 16 Feb 5589BCE in your computer and see. > > > > > > Please do not add delta T correction.(Do not enter 18Feb > > Nov). > > > > > > (I expect that my calculation takes care of delta T) > > > > > > Please let me know. > > > > > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > > > > > I think that your computer may show moon and nodes slightly > > off > > > > but > > > > > > other planets should come correct. > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > <Does your software accept Gregarian date?> > > > > > > > Almost every software converts " Gregorian " dates to > Julian > > by > > > > > > > subtracting ten days if the dates are prior to/of > October > > 5, > > > > > > 1582. > > > > > > > After that date i.e. October 5, 1582, any date i.e. the > > dates > > > > of > > > > > > > Gregorian calenar, are accepted by any software without > > any > > > > such > > > > > > > corrections. > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > AKK > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > > Mendki " > > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking. > > > > > > > > Does your software accept Gregarian date? > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen > > Kaul " > > > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vamana Mendki ji, > > > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > > > The following is the planetary position, both so > > called > > > > > sayana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > so called Lahiri nirayana for Jan 3, 5588 BC, 12 Noon > > > LMT, > > > > > of > > > > > > ET > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > Ayodhya, that corresponds to Jan 5, 5588 BC for 3- 29- > > 30 > > > ET > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > approximate Delta Time then was 162506 seconds: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, your calculations are absolutely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, it is a moot point if India did have any > > > > > methodology > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > calculating planets at that remote point of time i.e. > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > 7000 > > > > > > > > > years back! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, all the efforts of stalwarts to calculate > > > > > horoscopes > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Bhagwan Rama and Bhagwan Krishna or Mahabharata are > > > > > > > > > " yoon to hai hamko jannat kee hakeekat maloom lekin, > > > > > > > > > dil ke bahlane ko ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such,it is a good past time for " jyotishis " of > > today > > > to > > > > > > > > subjugate > > > > > > > > > divine incarnations also to planetary suzarinity. > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > AVtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > (Sayana) > > > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST > > = > > > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon 04°Ar30´58´´ > > > > > > > > > Sun 02°Sg55´29´´ ´ > > > > > > > > > Mer 09°Sc32 > > > > > > > > > Ven 00°Sg49 > > > > > > > > > Mar 01°Aq04 > > > > > > > > > Jup 15°Ge23 R > > > > > > > > > Sat 22°Cn31 R ´ > > > > > > > > > Nod 27°Pis26 R > > > > > > > > > SNo 27°Vi26 R : 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha 80 degrees 20 minutes plus > > > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST > > = > > > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CHART POINTS > > > > > > > > > Point Longitude > > > > > > > > > Mon 25°Ge50´46´´ ´ > > > > > > > > > Sun 23°Aq15´17´´ > > > > > > > > > Mer 29°Cp52 > > > > > > > > > Ven 21°Aq09 > > > > > > > > > Mar 21°Ar24 > > > > > > > > > Jup 05°Vi43 R ´ > > > > > > > > > Sat 12°Li50 R > > > > > > > > > Nod 17°Ge46 R > > > > > > > > > SNo 17°Sg46 R : 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > > > > > Mendki " > > > > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Vaman Mendki > > > > > > > > > House No.616/1,Kaustubh Bungalow > > > > > > > > > Near Mhasoba Temple, > > > > > > > > > Kalyan(W)421301 > > > > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476 > > > > > > > > > Email:prafulla_mendki@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following information gives my calculations > > about > > > > > > Ramayana > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayana and > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriRam was born on 3 Jan 5588BC (5589BCE) Greg, > > > > > Chaitra > > > > > > > > Shukla > > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when the Planet positions were as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun : 5 deg Airis Moon: 98 deg,Near > Punervasu, > > > > Pushya > > > > > > > > (Cancer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus : 357 Deg (Pisces) Mars : 275 Deg > > > > > > > (Capricornus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor: 110 Deg(Cancer) Saturn : 182 Deg > > (Libra), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu: 154 Deg(Virgo) , Mercury : 30 Deg (Taurus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were two Chaitra months.First started at > > 330 > > > > > Deg. > > > > > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started on 26 Dec 5589BC,Greg, at 358 Deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After ShriRamjanma,after 31687days(1073 > > months),on > > > > > > > > > 25Sept5502BC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poush(Magha) no moon day and Autumn equinox > day, > > > > Treta > > > > > > Yug > > > > > > > > > ended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Dwaparyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1, Kaliyug > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jan 3101BC, Falgun no moon day, all > > planets > > > > > > (except > > > > > > > > > Venus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were in Pisces.Venus was in Airis.All planets > > were > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eachother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 th Sept 3008BC,Kartik no moon day,Sun and > > > Moon > > > > > > were > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 213.33 Deg(Nabhi)and there was solar eclipse at > > > > > Sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata war started on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 3008BC,Magh Shukla 8,winter solastice > > > day, > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini. Bhishma died on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 10 Sept 3008BC = 942584 days > = > > > > 31919 > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC to 25 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada no > > > moon > > > > > day > > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2480 days = 84 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13, North > > > > > > solastice > > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 years of Sandhi period ended and actual > > kaliyug > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However ShriKrishna was alive at this time and > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not believe that Kaliyug had started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC Kartik no moon day to 24 Nov > 2003 > > > > > > AD,Kartik > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon day = 1830304 days = 61980 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 24 Nov 2003 AD =2772888 days > = > > > > 93899 > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Computer programs can not show these dates > > > correctly > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not taken into account change in synodic > > month > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However http://www.moshier.net gives > > newmoontab.zip > > > > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It shows 11 April 3000BC(3001BCE) Julian( 18 > > March > > > > > Greg) > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:08:1.814 as new moon time(ephemeris time). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After adding delta T of 23:46:30 and 5:30 for > > IST, > > > > it > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 March 3000 BC Greg, 9:24:41.814 IST as new > > moon > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008 BC (6:24 AM) to 19 March 3000BC > > > (9:24AM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =2746.125 days =93 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore 10 Sept 3008BC date matches with this > > > > table. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me lunar month is increasing by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.00000001283days/year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 5000 years > > > (Mahabharata > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 29.53055667 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 7500 years > > (Ramayana > > > > to > > > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29.53054058days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki wrote: Dear Srinathji I have done correct homework for a long time. It is funny that people want the answer but they also want to kick the person who tries to find out truth.Those who want to know the truth should learn to discuss without abusing each other.They should stick to only technical matters without making peronal comments. I assume that this is a voluntary forum and nobody is paying for the work done.Also nobody is boss.If somebody tries to dictate, some members may opt not to coperate. B.E.,I.E.S.,D.B.M.(F)I.E.T.E. Retired R & D Engineer/Manager Prafulla HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear Kaul ji, > ==> > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date of > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I > have > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > <== > With all regards to Prafulla ji, I should agree that you said it > well. ) > Yah, it is the case of affairs in many cases. People start speaking > without doing enough homework, and even when the realities are > pointed out most of the time they are not ready seek further and > correct the views or collect more evidences; usually instead they go > on endlessly arguing - trying to prove what they already stated was > correct and exact (yes, by hook or crook)! > It is only when people come out of this vicious cycle and - > * start collecting more data in support of and against their > perspectives. > * start trying to view things from others perspective as well > * start analyzing the data at hand in depth to reveal new info > - new insights will come and the discussions will become > interesting > and informative. But usually people forget even the basic procedures > and don't what to do even the essential homework! Essentially that > itself seems to be the cause of current state of affairs. > > Some passing thoughts: > ---------------------- > By the way, don't club Mahabharata and Ramayana together - > Mahabharata is a great text, even though the 'fishing efforts' to > fix > the date of Mahabharata are usually useless, lacking even the > understanding of the questions such as - > * Based on What the start data of Kaliyuga was fixed around BC > 3100; > and how the argument itself is baseless. (Hint: Aryabhateeya) > * How the different accounts of the Yuga system - differs greatly. > * Is there any exact pointer to show in which era the if at all > such > a war took place? (With the count of population in bygone past, it > is > impossible). Did some body actually verified those dates? Even if > they did - how can you base your history on a literary text (instead > of taking it ONLY as a possible supportive evidence)?! > Look at the funniest argument - > * Atom bomb, Ballistic Missile, Aeroplane, All the most modern > science, Extra saturnian planets - Oh! And will you live some thing > for the modern science to explore? ) > The point is - > * Truths are beautiful - they don't need hilarious ballooning to > stand. Mahabharata is a beautiful text, a great knowledge house with > can tech us a thousand things, but no - not your stupid > hallucinations - such hallucinations are an insult to Mahabharata > and > its beauty itself. Don't try to make a literary text a political > tool. (Yes, Can you believe, usually the basic intention after the > efforts to fix the date of Mahabharata itself is political! > Intentional corruption to prove the antiquity of 'Hindu' tradition! > Non sincere Fanatics!) Search after antiquity is good only as long > as > it is sincere. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Avtar Krishen > Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > > <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > > I have heard quite a few funny statements from " Vedeic > astrologers " > > but this is the funniest one that the date of Jan 3, 5588 BC > > Gregorian is equivalent to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian! > > > > Are you discussing " Vedic astrology " or astronmy? > > > > You do not know even ABC of the fact that prior to Pope Gregory > XIII > > there could not be any Gregorian Calendar! But maybe it is like > > Lahiri Ayanamsha according of " Vedic astrologers " for which > Maharshi > > Parashara was waiting for five thousand years to " reveal " his > Brihat > > Parashara! > > > > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date of > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I > have > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > > With regards, > > AKK > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > Namaskar! > > > > I think that there is some misunderstanding. > > > > What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.(Pl. disregard ealrier message of 20Nov) > > > > So please enter 16 Feb 5589BCE in your computer and see. > > > > Please do not add delta T correction.(Do not enter 18Feb Nov). > > > > (I expect that my calculation takes care of delta T) > > > > Please let me know. > > > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > > > I think that your computer may show moon and nodes slightly > off > > but > > > > other planets should come correct. > > > > Prafulla > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > <Does your software accept Gregarian date?> > > > > > Almost every software converts " Gregorian " dates to Julian > by > > > > > subtracting ten days if the dates are prior to/of October > 5, > > > > 1582. > > > > > After that date i.e. October 5, 1582, any date i.e. the > dates > > of > > > > > Gregorian calenar, are accepted by any software without any > > such > > > > > corrections. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > AKK > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > Mendki " > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > > Thanks for checking. > > > > > > Does your software accept Gregarian date? > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vamana Mendki ji, > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > The following is the planetary position, both so called > > > sayana > > > > > and > > > > > > > so called Lahiri nirayana for Jan 3, 5588 BC, 12 Noon > LMT, > > > of > > > > ET > > > > > > for > > > > > > > Ayodhya, that corresponds to Jan 5, 5588 BC for 3-29- 30 > ET > > > > since > > > > > > the > > > > > > > approximate Delta Time then was 162506 seconds: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, your calculations are absolutely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, it is a moot point if India did have any > > > methodology > > > > of > > > > > > > calculating planets at that remote point of time i.e. > more > > > > than > > > > > > 7000 > > > > > > > years back! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, all the efforts of stalwarts to calculate > > > horoscopes > > > > of > > > > > > > Bhagwan Rama and Bhagwan Krishna or Mahabharata are > > > > > > > " yoon to hai hamko jannat kee hakeekat maloom lekin, > > > > > > > dil ke bahlane ko ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such,it is a good past time for " jyotishis " of today > to > > > > > > subjugate > > > > > > > divine incarnations also to planetary suzarinity. > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > AVtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > (Sayana) > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon 04°Ar30´58´´ > > > > > > > Sun 02°Sg55´29´´ ´ > > > > > > > Mer 09°Sc32 > > > > > > > Ven 00°Sg49 > > > > > > > Mar 01°Aq04 > > > > > > > Jup 15°Ge23 R > > > > > > > Sat 22°Cn31 R ´ > > > > > > > Nod 27°Pis26 R > > > > > > > SNo 27°Vi26 R : 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha 80 degrees 20 minutes plus > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CHART POINTS > > > > > > > Point Longitude > > > > > > > Mon 25°Ge50´46´´ ´ > > > > > > > Sun 23°Aq15´17´´ > > > > > > > Mer 29°Cp52 > > > > > > > Ven 21°Aq09 > > > > > > > Mar 21°Ar24 > > > > > > > Jup 05°Vi43 R ´ > > > > > > > Sat 12°Li50 R > > > > > > > Nod 17°Ge46 R > > > > > > > SNo 17°Sg46 R : 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > > > Mendki " > > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Vaman Mendki > > > > > > > House No.616/1,Kaustubh Bungalow > > > > > > > Near Mhasoba Temple, > > > > > > > Kalyan(W)421301 > > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476 > > > > > > > Email:prafulla_mendki@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following information gives my calculations about > > > > Ramayana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayana and Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriRam was born on 3 Jan 5588BC (5589BCE)Greg, > > > Chaitra > > > > > > Shukla > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when the Planet positions were as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun : 5 deg Airis Moon: 98 deg,Near Punervasu, > > Pushya > > > > > > (Cancer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus : 357 Deg (Pisces) Mars : 275 Deg > > > > > (Capricornus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor: 110 Deg(Cancer) Saturn : 182 Deg (Libra), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu: 154 Deg(Virgo) , Mercury : 30 Deg (Taurus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were two Chaitra months.First started at 330 > > > Deg. > > > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started on 26 Dec 5589BC,Greg, at 358 Deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After ShriRamjanma,after 31687days(1073 months),on > > > > > > > 25Sept5502BC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poush(Magha) no moon day and Autumn equinox day, > > Treta > > > > Yug > > > > > > > ended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Dwaparyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1, Kaliyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jan 3101BC, Falgun no moon day, all planets > > > > (except > > > > > > > Venus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were in Pisces.Venus was in Airis.All planets were > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eachother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 th Sept 3008BC,Kartik no moon day,Sun and > Moon > > > > were > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 213.33 Deg(Nabhi)and there was solar eclipse at > > > Sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata war started on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 3008BC,Magh Shukla 8,winter solastice > day, > > > > Moon > > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini. Bhishma died on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 10 Sept 3008BC = 942584 days = > > 31919 > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC to 25 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada no > moon > > > day > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2480 days = 84 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13, North > > > > solastice > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 years of Sandhi period ended and actual > kaliyug > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However ShriKrishna was alive at this time and > > > therefore > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not believe that Kaliyug had started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC Kartik no moon day to 24 Nov 2003 > > > > AD,Kartik > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon day = 1830304 days = 61980 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 24 Nov 2003 AD =2772888 days = > > 93899 > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Computer programs can not show these dates > correctly > > > > > because > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not taken into account change in synodic > month > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However http://www.moshier.net gives > newmoontab.zip > > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It shows 11 April 3000BC(3001BCE) Julian( 18 March > > > Greg) > > > > > at > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:08:1.814 as new moon time(ephemeris time). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After adding delta T of 23:46:30 and 5:30 for IST, > > it > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 March 3000 BC Greg, 9:24:41.814 IST as new moon > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008 BC (6:24 AM) to 19 March 3000BC > (9:24AM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =2746.125 days =93 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore 10 Sept 3008BC date matches with this > > table. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me lunar month is increasing by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.00000001283days/year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 5000 years > (Mahabharata > > > to > > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 29.53055667 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 7500 years (Ramayana > > to > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29.53054058days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, Namaskar! <But still computers use Julian dates before start of Julian calender.> No! Computers do not call early pre-Julian Calendar dates as Julian calendar dates! They are just indicated as BC/BCE dates! <Therefore I have converted Gregarian date of 3 Jan 5589BCE to 16 Feb 5589BCE, Julian. In the year 5589BCE there is 44 days' difference between Julian and Gregarian date.> It appears you have really done no homework at all, or it is quite sloppy, as rightly pointed out by Shri Sreenadh in one of his posts! In the earlier posts you had given entirely different Julian and Gregorian dates! I quote below your own words again: " What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian. " . Now you are singing an entirely different tune! You say it is Jan 3, 5589 BCE of Gregorian date that has become Feb 16 5589 BCE of Julian! Are you talking of Jan 3, 5588 BCE or Jan 3, 5589 BCE or Feb 16, 5589 BCE? That is why I had asked you to give me the Julian Day or even the Kali Ahargan for the date for which you want planetary details! In any case, please give your own planetary longitudes of all the planets together with their BCE dates (no confusion, Gregorian or Julian etc. etc.) together with the Julian Day number. You can find most of these details from " Ganesh " or " Mahesh " etc. programs. Once you post these detials, I will give you their actual positions. Please also let me know whether you have included Delta Time correction or not, and if yes, how many seconds. Dhanyavad. AKK <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > Dear Avtarji > Namaskar. > All computers use Julian dates before 1582 AD. > But I calculate in Gregarian dates because in Gregarian dates > equinox and solastice dates are not changed much because Gregarian > year of 365.2425 days is nearer to tropical year of 365.2422 days. > In Julian Calender 1year = 365.25 days. > Before Julius Ceasar ,there was no Julian Calender .But still > computers use Julian dates before start of Julian calender. > Similarly I am using Gregarian Calender before 1582AD also. > However when computer is to be used, Gregarian date has to be > converted to Julian date. > Therefore I have converted Gregarian date of 3 Jan 5589BCE to > 16 Feb 5589BCE ,Julian. > In the year 5589BCE there is 44 days' difference between Julian and > Gregarian date. > Also computers do not use 0 AD or 0 BC years.They call 0BC or 0AD > as 1BCE. > Therefore when you are entering 5588BC,you are actualy, > giving a chart of the year -5587.I want a chart of the year > -5588. Therefore pl. enter 16 Feb 5589BCE. > My statements are not funny. This topic is given on some internet > sites.If computer people use the word BCE, there will not be > confusion. > Prafulla > > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > > Namaskar! > > <You always think that you are clever.> > > You got me absolutely wrong! If I had been clever enough, I > would > > have intuitively known the astronomical principles of your > funniest > > statement > > <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > > > > Since I am not " clever " but just a learner, would you please > > enlighten me as to how you have made the above statement that Jan > 3 > > 5588 BC is equal to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian. Besides, pl. > enlighten > > me as to what is the difference between BC and BCE in the above > two > > dates to enable me to proceed further. > > > > What is also the julian Day or even the Kaliahargan for the epoch > > for which you want planetary details so that there is no confusion > > since you claim that your program includes Delta Time corrections > > also---which may be even upto two days in 5000 BCE. > > Dhanyavad. > > AKK > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > Namaskar! > > > You always think that you are clever. > > > But you do not uderstand other people's view. > > > However I do not want to discuss to convince you. > > > I only request you to see 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian on your computer > > > and give the results. > > > I am giving this only as an information to the group. > > > I do not need any approval from you.I am getting approval from > > > a reputed astronomer and Almanac maker. > > > Prafulla > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > > > > <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > > > > I have heard quite a few funny statements from " Vedeic > > > astrologers " > > > > but this is the funniest one that the date of Jan 3, 5588 BC > > > > Gregorian is equivalent to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian! > > > > > > > > Are you discussing " Vedic astrology " or astronmy? > > > > > > > > You do not know even ABC of the fact that prior to Pope > Gregory > > > XIII > > > > there could not be any Gregorian Calendar! But maybe it is > like > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha according of " Vedic astrologers " for which > > > Maharshi > > > > Parashara was waiting for five thousand years to " reveal " his > > > Brihat > > > > Parashara! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date > > of > > > > birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I > > > have > > > > already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! > > > > With regards, > > > > AKK > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > Mendki " > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > I think that there is some misunderstanding. > > > > > > What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > > > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.(Pl. disregard ealrier message of > > 20Nov) > > > > > > So please enter 16 Feb 5589BCE in your computer and see. > > > > > > Please do not add delta T correction.(Do not enter 18Feb > > Nov). > > > > > > (I expect that my calculation takes care of delta T) > > > > > > Please let me know. > > > > > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > > > > > I think that your computer may show moon and nodes > slightly > > > off > > > > but > > > > > > other planets should come correct. > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > <Does your software accept Gregarian date?> > > > > > > > Almost every software converts " Gregorian " dates to > Julian > > > by > > > > > > > subtracting ten days if the dates are prior to/of > October > > > 5, > > > > > > 1582. > > > > > > > After that date i.e. October 5, 1582, any date i.e. the > > > dates > > > > of > > > > > > > Gregorian calenar, are accepted by any software without > > any > > > > such > > > > > > > corrections. > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > AKK > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > > > Mendki " > > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking. > > > > > > > > Does your software accept Gregarian date? > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen > > Kaul " > > > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vamana Mendki ji, > > > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > > > The following is the planetary position, both so > > called > > > > > sayana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > so called Lahiri nirayana for Jan 3, 5588 BC, 12 > Noon > > > LMT, > > > > > of > > > > > > ET > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > Ayodhya, that corresponds to Jan 5, 5588 BC for 3- 29- > > 30 > > > ET > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > approximate Delta Time then was 162506 seconds: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, your calculations are absolutely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, it is a moot point if India did have any > > > > > methodology > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > calculating planets at that remote point of time > i.e. > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > 7000 > > > > > > > > > years back! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, all the efforts of stalwarts to calculate > > > > > horoscopes > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Bhagwan Rama and Bhagwan Krishna or Mahabharata are > > > > > > > > > " yoon to hai hamko jannat kee hakeekat maloom lekin, > > > > > > > > > dil ke bahlane ko ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As such,it is a good past time for " jyotishis " of > > today > > > to > > > > > > > > subjugate > > > > > > > > > divine incarnations also to planetary suzarinity. > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > AVtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > (Sayana) > > > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; > ST > > = > > > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon 04°Ar30´58´´ > > > > > > > > > Sun 02°Sg55´29´´ ´ > > > > > > > > > Mer 09°Sc32 > > > > > > > > > Ven 00°Sg49 > > > > > > > > > Mar 01°Aq04 > > > > > > > > > Jup 15°Ge23 R > > > > > > > > > Sat 22°Cn31 R ´ > > > > > > > > > Nod 27°Pis26 R > > > > > > > > > SNo 27°Vi26 R : 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha 80 degrees 20 minutes plus > > > > > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; > ST > > = > > > > > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CHART POINTS > > > > > > > > > Point Longitude > > > > > > > > > Mon 25°Ge50´46´´ ´ > > > > > > > > > Sun 23°Aq15´17´´ > > > > > > > > > Mer 29°Cp52 > > > > > > > > > Ven 21°Aq09 > > > > > > > > > Mar 21°Ar24 > > > > > > > > > Jup 05°Vi43 R ´ > > > > > > > > > Sat 12°Li50 R > > > > > > > > > Nod 17°Ge46 R > > > > > > > > > SNo 17°Sg46 R : 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla > Vaman > > > > > Mendki " > > > > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Vaman Mendki > > > > > > > > > House No.616/1,Kaustubh Bungalow > > > > > > > > > Near Mhasoba Temple, > > > > > > > > > Kalyan(W)421301 > > > > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476 > > > > > > > > > Email:prafulla_mendki@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following information gives my calculations > > about > > > > > > Ramayana > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayana and > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriRam was born on 3 Jan 5588BC (5589BCE) > Greg, > > > > > Chaitra > > > > > > > > Shukla > > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when the Planet positions were as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun : 5 deg Airis Moon: 98 deg,Near > Punervasu, > > > > Pushya > > > > > > > > (Cancer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus : 357 Deg (Pisces) Mars : 275 Deg > > > > > > > (Capricornus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor: 110 Deg(Cancer) Saturn : 182 Deg > > (Libra), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu: 154 Deg(Virgo) , Mercury : 30 Deg > (Taurus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were two Chaitra months.First started at > > 330 > > > > > Deg. > > > > > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started on 26 Dec 5589BC,Greg, at 358 Deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After ShriRamjanma,after 31687days(1073 > > months),on > > > > > > > > > 25Sept5502BC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poush(Magha) no moon day and Autumn equinox > day, > > > > Treta > > > > > > Yug > > > > > > > > > ended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Dwaparyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1, Kaliyug > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jan 3101BC, Falgun no moon day, all > > planets > > > > > > (except > > > > > > > > > Venus) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were in Pisces.Venus was in Airis.All planets > > were > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eachother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 th Sept 3008BC,Kartik no moon day,Sun > and > > > Moon > > > > > > were > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 213.33 Deg(Nabhi)and there was solar eclipse > at > > > > > Sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata war started on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 3008BC,Magh Shukla 8,winter > solastice > > > day, > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini. Bhishma died on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 10 Sept 3008BC = 942584 days > = > > > > 31919 > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC to 25 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada > no > > > moon > > > > > day > > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2480 days = 84 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13, > North > > > > > > solastice > > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 years of Sandhi period ended and actual > > > kaliyug > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However ShriKrishna was alive at this time and > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not believe that Kaliyug had started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC Kartik no moon day to 24 Nov > 2003 > > > > > > AD,Kartik > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon day = 1830304 days = 61980 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 24 Nov 2003 AD =2772888 days > = > > > > 93899 > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Computer programs can not show these dates > > > correctly > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not taken into account change in synodic > > > month > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However http://www.moshier.net gives > > > newmoontab.zip > > > > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It shows 11 April 3000BC(3001BCE) Julian( 18 > > March > > > > > Greg) > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:08:1.814 as new moon time(ephemeris time). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After adding delta T of 23:46:30 and 5:30 for > > IST, > > > > it > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 March 3000 BC Greg, 9:24:41.814 IST as new > > moon > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008 BC (6:24 AM) to 19 March 3000BC > > > (9:24AM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =2746.125 days =93 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore 10 Sept 3008BC date matches with > this > > > > table. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me lunar month is increasing by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.00000001283days/year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 5000 years > > > (Mahabharata > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 29.53055667 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 7500 years > > (Ramayana > > > > to > > > > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29.53054058days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, Namaskar <When I say 5588BC, I mean -5588.> That is absolutely wrong. <When I say 5589BCE, I mean again same i.e. -5588.> That is correct since it is immaterial whether you say 5589BC or 5589 BCE. <BC and BCE are not same.Because BC system assumes 0BC or 0AD year but BCE system does not use 0BC or 0 AD year.> BC means before Christ, which in itself means before Christian Era had started! AD means " After the Death of Christ " . When you say 5589 BC, someone who prepares a programe for 10000 BC to 12030 AD is supposed to have that much of knowledge at least that you are talking of -5588 AD (and not -5588 BC!)! All my programs, when they talk of BC, do not ask you to make any corrections by subtractng one year from the BC year! If you enter 10000 BC, i.e. when you enter the year as -10000 the computer knows you have entered -9999 AD (and not BC!) <Therefore 0BC becomes 1BCE ;1BC become 2BCE etc....> No. When you enter 0 BC/AD in a computer program, you will get a message " No Zero year " . Just try " Ganesh " or " Mahesh " or " Vasishth " for 1,1,0 and see for yourself! <Even the new moon table given is in Julian dates.> Any date from 45 BC to October 5, 1582 AD is known as Julian Date i.e. it is a date of Julian Era. Any date after October 15, 1582 is known as Gregorian Date even if some countries adopted it in 18th century! But Julian Days are different from Julian dates! Astronomical calculations these days are done in Julian Days, whether it is BC or AD. just as a till a few decades back, every Indian Panchanga was prepared on the basis of " Kali-Ahargan " whether the Kali Yuga actually started on Feb 17/18, 3102 BC is/was immaterial! <I have received one email in which it is confirmed that 5 planets were exalted.> It is immaterial as to who has told you what! What are your own findings since you say you have your own program! As such, please let me know the actual planetary positions for 16 Feb 5589BCE, besides the Delta Time, if you have taken it into account. <If you are still not satisfied with my answer, then it is better not to communicate further in this matter.> Why run away from discussions! That is the path of least resistance! I have given you all the reasons as to why I am not " satisfied " with your answers. Had these childish errors been made by some beginner, it would have been immaterial, but when you claim to have " discovered " the " date of birth of Bhagwan Rama " you are supposed to know what you are talking about! As such, please give me the planetary details that you have worked out for Feb 16, 5589 BCE, together with the information if you have taken into account the Delta Time correction or not! And the million Dollar Question is: Whether those details are so called sayana or so called nirayana and if it is the latter, then what is the " Ayanamsha " . I will be able to proceed futher only after getting these details from you. With regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > Dear Avtarji > Namaskar! > I again say that whatever I said was correct. > In my first note,I had clearly mentioned date as > Gregarian date.But unfortunately computer programmers > have not made provision for Gregarian dates before > 1582AD. > When I say 5588BC, I mean -5588. > When I say 5589BCE, I mean again same i.e. -5588. > So 5588BC = 5589BCE. > BC and BCE are not same.Because BC system > assumes 0BC or 0AD year but BCE system does not use 0BC or 0 > AD year. > Therefore 0BC becomes 1BCE > 1BC become 2BCE etc.... > 5588BC becomes 5589BCE. > This is not my own invention.This I learnt from internet > sites only. > So I request to check 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian. > > I do not know what program you are using.But I have two > programs which call preJulian dates as Julian only. > Even the new moon table given is in Julian dates. > According to me my statements are not sloppy. > If you are still not satisfied with my answer, > then it is better not to communicate further in this > matter.I have received one email in which it is confirmed > that 5 planets were exalted. > Prafulla > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, > > Namaskar! > > <But still computers use Julian dates before start of Julian > > calender.> > > > > No! Computers do not call early pre-Julian Calendar dates as > Julian > > calendar dates! They are just indicated as BC/BCE dates! > > > > <Therefore I have converted Gregarian date of 3 Jan 5589BCE to > > 16 Feb 5589BCE, Julian. In the year 5589BCE there is 44 days' > > difference between Julian and Gregarian date.> > > > > It appears you have really done no homework at all, or it is a > quite > > sloppy, as rightly pointed out by Shri Sreenadh in one of his > posts! > > In the earlier posts you had given entirely different Julian and > > Gregorian dates! I quote below your own words again: > > " What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to 16 Feb > > 5589BCE Julian. " . > > Now you are singing an entirely different tune! You say it is Jan > > 3, 5589 BCE of Gregorian date that has become Feb 16 5589 BCE of > > Julian! > > Are you talking of Jan 3, 5588 BCE or Jan 3, 5589 BCE or Feb 16, > > 5589 BCE? That is why I had asked you to give me the Julian Day > or > > even the Kali Ahargan for the date for which you want planetary > > details! > > > > In any case, please give your own planetary longitudes of all the > > planets together with their BCE dates (no confusion, Gregorian or > > Julian etc. etc.) together with the Julian Day number. You can > find > > most of these details from " Ganesh " or " Mahesh " etc. programs. > Once > > you post these detials, I will give you their actual positions. > > > > Please also let me know whether you have included Delta Time > > correction or not, and if yes, how many seconds. > > Dhanyavad. > > AKK > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > Namaskar. > > > All computers use Julian dates before 1582 AD. > > > But I calculate in Gregarian dates because in Gregarian dates > > > equinox and solastice dates are not changed much because > Gregarian > > > year of 365.2425 days is nearer to tropical year of 365.2422 > days. > > > In Julian Calender 1year = 365.25 days. > > > Before Julius Ceasar ,there was no Julian Calender .But still > > > computers use Julian dates before start of Julian calender. > > > Similarly I am using Gregarian Calender before 1582AD also. > > > However when computer is to be used, Gregarian date has to be > > > converted to Julian date. > > > Therefore I have converted Gregarian date of 3 Jan 5589BCE to > > > 16 Feb 5589BCE ,Julian. > > > In the year 5589BCE there is 44 days' difference between Julian > > and > > > Gregarian date. > > > Also computers do not use 0 AD or 0 BC years.They call 0BC or 0AD > > > as 1BCE. > > > Therefore when you are entering 5588BC,you are actualy, > > > giving a chart of the year -5587.I want a chart of the year > > > -5588. Therefore pl. enter 16 Feb 5589BCE. > > > My statements are not funny. This topic is given on some > internet > > > sites.If computer people use the word BCE, there will not be > > > confusion. > > > Prafulla > > > > > > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 >HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " ><jyotirved wrote: >Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, >Namaskar ><When I say 5589BCE, I mean again same i.e. -5588.> >That is correct since it is immaterial whether you say 5589BC or >5589 BCE. ><BC and BCE are not same.Because BC system assumes 0BC or 0AD year >but BCE system does not use 0BC or 0 AD year.> they are they same and there is no year 0 in either system >BC means before Christ, which in itself means before Christian Era >had started! AD means " After the Death of Christ " . AD is the abbreviation for Anno Dominus, meaning in the year of the lord. it begins with Christ's birth, not his death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 , norenxaq <norenxaq wrote: Shri norenxaq, Namaksar! <AD is the abbreviation for Anno Dominus, meaning in the year of the lord. it begins with Christ's birth, not his death " Thanks for the correction. Regards, AKK PS 1.This is one of the reasons why I resort to corsss-postings so that we correct one another without any reservations. 2. Though it may sound like " being wise after the event " , I did have some lurking doubt about the feasibility of " After death " statement. But rushed to reply the post of Shri Mendki in a hurry without doing my homework properly. And as you know, haste makes waste or is it hurry spoils the curry! AKK > > >HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > ><jyotirved@> wrote: > > >Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, > >Namaskar > > > ><When I say 5589BCE, I mean again same i.e. -5588.> > > >That is correct since it is immaterial whether you say 5589BC or > >5589 BCE. > > ><BC and BCE are not same.Because BC system assumes 0BC or 0AD year > >but BCE system does not use 0BC or 0 AD year.> > > they are they same and there is no year 0 in either system > > >BC means before Christ, which in itself means before Christian Era > >had started! AD means " After the Death of Christ " . > > AD is the abbreviation for Anno Dominus, meaning in the year of the > lord. it begins with Christ's birth, not his death > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Prem Sabhlok ji, Namaskar! <Since Ramayana and Mahabharta are mythological epics as mentioned by Gandhi ji and many others, it is not clear why this controversy on the period/Year/dates> It is the latest fad of " Vedic astrologers " for proving their prowess in " Vedic astrology " that they are subjecting even divine incarnations like Bhagwan Ram and Bhagwan Krishen to planetary suzarinity! The tragic part of it is that no two astrologers agree on anything - - e.g. even the date of Bhagwan Ram is being peddled from 1000 BC to 7000 BC and that also on the basis of modern astronomical software like Skypro and what not! What can be more unfortunate for a country which just did not believe in such fads during the Vedic period at all that it is now being asked to make even divine incarnations subservient to Mangal and Shani and their Sade-sati and Dasha-Bhukti and what not! Maybe after some time these astrologers will even suggest that Bhagwan Ram should have used a Ruby or an Emerald to ward of his evils --- just as a " Panchnga Sudharak Sayana Jyotishi " had suggested some gem to a geentleman to ward of his future heart attacks! You never know what these " Vedic Jyotishis " can do or undo since they are all powerful and are making us already celebrate Pitra Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali and marriages during the actual Shradhapaksha and vice-versa! And nobody has the courage to qeustion them--That is the funniest part of it! On the other hand, if somebody questions those criteria, he is branded as a person fit for a lunatic assylum! With regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul WAVES-Vedic , Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@> wrote: > > > Dear All, > Since Ramayana and Mahabharta are mythological epics as mentioned by Gandhi ji and many others, it is not clear why this controversy on the period/Year/dates. Also Ramayana and Mahabharta are Vedas retold. Sama Veda refers to nine kinds of evils/hydraheaded Corrption entering the human body through 99 sources i.e. five senses, five sense organs and mind=11X9=99. Ramayana refers to nine corrupt heads of Ravana and Mahabharta refers to 99 evil minded corrupt sons of blind Kaurvas king. For most of the Vedic Mantras/riks/hymns there are corresponding parable, event, description in both the epics. > In this background the relevance of the year is not apparent. > with kind regards, > P.K.Sabhlok > > > waves-vedic@: jyotirved@: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:29:54 +0000[WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: Ramayana and Mahabharata > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote:Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji,Namaskar<When I say 5588BC, I mean -5588.>That is absolutely wrong.<When I say 5589BCE, I mean again same i.e. -5588.>That is correct since it is immaterial whether you say 5589BC or 5589 BCE.<BC and BCE are not same.Because BC system assumes 0BC or 0AD year but BCE system does not use 0BC or 0 AD year.>BC means before Christ, which in itself means before Christian Era had started! AD means " After the Death of Christ " . When you say 5589 BC, someone who prepares a programe for 10000 BC to 12030 AD is supposed to have that much of knowledge at least that you are talking of -5588 AD (and not -5588 BC!)! All my programs, when they talk of BC, do not ask you to make any corrections by subtractng one year from the BC year! If you enter 10000 BC, i.e. when you enter the year as -10000 the computer knows you have entered -9999 AD (and not BC!) <Therefore 0BC becomes 1BCE ;1BC become 2BCE etc....>No. When you enter 0 BC/AD in a computer program, you will get a message " No Zero year " . Just try " Ganesh " or " Mahesh " or " Vasishth " for 1,1,0 and see for yourself!<Even the new moon table given is in Julian dates.>Any date from 45 BC to October 5, 1582 AD is known as Julian Date i.e. it is a date of Julian Era. Any date after October 15, 1582 is known as Gregorian Date even if some countries adopted it in 18th century!But Julian Days are different from Julian dates! Astronomical calculations these days are done in Julian Days, whether it is BC or AD. just as a till a few decades back, every Indian Panchanga was prepared on the basis of " Kali-Ahargan " whether the Kali Yuga actually started on Feb 17/18, 3102 BC is/was immaterial!<I have received one email in which it is confirmedthat 5 planets were exalted.>It is immaterial as to who has told you what! What are your own findings since you say you have your own program! As such, please let me know the actual planetary positions for 16 Feb 5589BCE, besides the Delta Time, if you have taken it into account.<If you are still not satisfied with my answer, then it is better not to communicate further in this matter.>Why run away from discussions! That is the path of least resistance! I have given you all the reasons as to why I am not " satisfied " with your answers. Had these childish errors been made by some beginner, it would have been immaterial, but when you claim to have " discovered " the " date of birth of Bhagwan Rama " you are supposed to know what you are talking about!As such, please give me the planetary details that you have worked out for Feb 16, 5589 BCE, together with the information if you have taken into account the Delta Time correction or not! And the million Dollar Question is: Whether those details are so called sayana or so called nirayana and if it is the latter, then what is the " Ayanamsha " .I will be able to proceed futher only after getting these details from you.With regards,Avtar Krishen Kaul --- In HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@> wrote:>> > Dear Avtarji> Namaskar!> I again say that whatever I said was correct.> In my first note,I had clearly mentioned date as > Gregarian date.But unfortunately computer programmers> have not made provision for Gregarian dates before > 1582AD.> When I say 5588BC, I mean -5588.> When I say 5589BCE, I mean again same i.e. -5588.> So 5588BC = 5589BCE.> BC and BCE are not same.Because BC system> assumes 0BC or 0AD year but BCE system does not use 0BC or 0> AD year.> Therefore 0BC becomes 1BCE> 1BC become 2BCE etc....> 5588BC becomes 5589BCE.> This is not my own invention.This I learnt from internet> sites only.> So I request to check 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> > I do not know what program you are using.But I have two > programs which call preJulian dates as Julian only.> Even the new moon table given is in Julian dates.> According to me my statements are not sloppy.> If you are still not satisfied with my answer, > then it is better not to communicate further in this> matter.I have received one email in which it is confirmed> that 5 planets were exalted.> Prafulla> > > --- In HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote:> >> > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji,> > Namaskar!> > <But still computers use Julian dates before start of Julian > > calender.>> > > > No! Computers do not call early pre-Julian Calendar dates as > Julian > > calendar dates! They are just indicated as BC/BCE dates!> > > > <Therefore I have converted Gregarian date of 3 Jan 5589BCE to> > 16 Feb 5589BCE, Julian. In the year 5589BCE there is 44 days' > > difference between Julian and Gregarian date.>> > > > It appears you have really done no homework at all, or it is a > quite > > sloppy, as rightly pointed out by Shri Sreenadh in one of his > posts! > > In the earlier posts you had given entirely different Julian and > > Gregorian dates! I quote below your own words again:> > " What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to 16 Feb > > 5589BCE Julian. " .> > Now you are singing an entirely different tune! You say it is Jan > > 3, 5589 BCE of Gregorian date that has become Feb 16 5589 BCE of > > Julian!> > Are you talking of Jan 3, 5588 BCE or Jan 3, 5589 BCE or Feb 16, > > 5589 BCE? That is why I had asked you to give me the Julian Day > or > > even the Kali Ahargan for the date for which you want planetary > > details! > > > > In any case, please give your own planetary longitudes of all the > > planets together with their BCE dates (no confusion, Gregorian or > > Julian etc. etc.) together with the Julian Day number. You can > find > > most of these details from " Ganesh " or " Mahesh " etc. programs. > Once > > you post these detials, I will give you their actual positions.> > > > Please also let me know whether you have included Delta Time > > correction or not, and if yes, how many seconds.> > Dhanyavad.> > AKK> > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Avtarji> > > Namaskar.> > > All computers use Julian dates before 1582 AD.> > > But I calculate in Gregarian dates because in Gregarian dates> > > equinox and solastice dates are not changed much because > Gregarian> > > year of 365.2425 days is nearer to tropical year of 365.2422 > days.> > > In Julian Calender 1year = 365.25 days. > > > Before Julius Ceasar ,there was no Julian Calender .But still> > > computers use Julian dates before start of Julian calender.> > > Similarly I am using Gregarian Calender before 1582AD also.> > > However when computer is to be used, Gregarian date has to be > > > converted to Julian date.> > > Therefore I have converted Gregarian date of 3 Jan 5589BCE to> > > 16 Feb 5589BCE ,Julian.> > > In the year 5589BCE there is 44 days' difference between Julian > > and > > > Gregarian date.> > > Also computers do not use 0 AD or 0 BC years.They call 0BC or 0AD> > > as 1BCE.> > > Therefore when you are entering 5588BC,you are actualy, > > > giving a chart of the year -5587.I want a chart of the year > > > -5588. Therefore pl. enter 16 Feb 5589BCE.> > > My statements are not funny. This topic is given on some > internet > > > sites.If computer people use the word BCE, there will not be > > > confusion.> > > Prafulla> > > > > > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > >> > > _______________ > Get the new ! > http://get.live.com/messenger/overview > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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