Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Prafulla Vamana Mendki ji, Namaskar! The following is the planetary position, both so called sayana and so called Lahiri nirayana for Jan 3, 5588 BC, 12 Noon LMT, of ET for Ayodhya, that corresponds to Jan 5, 5588 BC for 3-29-30 ET since the approximate Delta Time then was 162506 seconds: As such, your calculations are absolutely wrong. Besides, it is a moot point if India did have any methodology of calculating planets at that remote point of time i.e. more than 7000 years back! As such, all the efforts of stalwarts to calculate horoscopes of Bhagwan Rama and Bhagwan Krishna or Mahabharata are " yoon to hai hamko jannat kee hakeekat maloom lekin, dil ke bahlane ko ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " As such,it is a good past time for " jyotishis " of today to subjugate divine incarnations also to planetary suzarinity. With regards, AVtar Krishen Kaul Shri Ram - Natal Chart (Sayana) DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = 07:45:17 Mon 04°Ar30´58´´ Sun 02°Sg55´29´´ ´ Mer 09°Sc32 Ven 00°Sg49 Mar 01°Aq04 Jup 15°Ge23 R Sat 22°Cn31 R ´ Nod 27°Pis26 R SNo 27°Vi26 R : 4 *** END REPORT *** *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT *** Shri Ram - Natal Chart Lahiri Ayanamsha 80 degrees 20 minutes plus DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = 07:45:17 CHART POINTS Point Longitude Mon 25°Ge50´46´´ ´ Sun 23°Aq15´17´´ Mer 29°Cp52 Ven 21°Aq09 Mar 21°Ar24 Jup 05°Vi43 R ´ Sat 12°Li50 R Nod 17°Ge46 R SNo 17°Sg46 R : 1 *** END REPORT *** HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > Prafulla Vaman Mendki House No.616/1,Kaustubh Bungalow Near Mhasoba Temple, Kalyan(W)421301 Phone 0251-2209476 Email:prafulla_mendki@ > > > Following information gives my calculations about Ramayana and > > Mahabharata > > Ramayana and Mahabharata > > ShriRam was born on 3 Jan 5588BC (5589BCE)Greg, Chaitra Shukla 9 > > when the Planet positions were as follows: > > Sun : 5 deg Airis Moon: 98 deg,Near Punervasu, Pushya(Cancer) > > Venus : 357 Deg (Pisces) Mars : 275 Deg (Capricornus) > > Jupitor: 110 Deg(Cancer) Saturn : 182 Deg (Libra), > > Rahu: 154 Deg(Virgo) , Mercury : 30 Deg (Taurus) > > There were two Chaitra months.First started at 330 Deg. Second > > started on 26 Dec 5589BC,Greg, at 358 Deg. > > After ShriRamjanma,after 31687days(1073 months),on 25Sept5502BC, > > Poush(Magha) no moon day and Autumn equinox day, Treta Yug ended > > and Dwaparyug started. > > On 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1, Kaliyug started. > > On 24 Jan 3101BC, Falgun no moon day, all planets (except Venus) > > were in Pisces.Venus was in Airis.All planets were near > > eachother. > > On 10 th Sept 3008BC,Kartik no moon day,Sun and Moon were at > > 213.33 Deg(Nabhi)and there was solar eclipse at Sunrise. > > Mahabharata war started on this day. > > On 18 Dec 3008BC,Magh Shukla 8,winter solastice day, Moon was in > > Rohini. Bhishma died on this day. > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 10 Sept 3008BC = 942584 days = 31919 months. > > 10 Sept 3008BC to 25 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada no moon day = > > 2480 days = 84 months. > > On 23 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13, North solastice day, > > 100 years of Sandhi period ended and actual kaliyug started. > > However ShriKrishna was alive at this time and therefore people > > did not believe that Kaliyug had started. > > 10 Sept 3008BC Kartik no moon day to 24 Nov 2003 AD,Kartik no > > moon day = 1830304 days = 61980 months. > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 24 Nov 2003 AD =2772888 days = 93899 months. > > Computer programs can not show these dates correctly because they > > have not taken into account change in synodic month properly. > > However http://www.moshier.net gives newmoontab.zip correctly. > > It shows 11 April 3000BC(3001BCE) Julian( 18 March Greg) at time > > 4:08:1.814 as new moon time(ephemeris time). > > After adding delta T of 23:46:30 and 5:30 for IST, it gives > > 19 March 3000 BC Greg, 9:24:41.814 IST as new moon time. > > 10 Sept 3008 BC (6:24 AM) to 19 March 3000BC(9:24AM) > > =2746.125 days =93 months. > > Therefore 10 Sept 3008BC date matches with this table. > > According to me lunar month is increasing by > > 0.00000001283days/year. > > Average synodic month of last 5000 years(Mahabharata to present) > > is 29.53055667 days. > > Average synodic month of last 7500 years (Ramayana to present) is > > 29.53054058days. > > Prafulla > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendki ji, <What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.> I have heard quite a few funny statements from " Vedeic astrologers " but this is the funniest one that the date of Jan 3, 5588 BC Gregorian is equivalent to Feb 16, 5589 BCE Julian! Are you discussing " Vedic astrology " or astronmy? You do not know even ABC of the fact that prior to Pope Gregory XIII there could not be any Gregorian Calendar! But maybe it is like Lahiri Ayanamsha according of " Vedic astrologers " for which Maharshi Parashara was waiting for five thousand years to " reveal " his Brihat Parashara! Please, therefore, make sure first as to what date is the date of birth of Bhagwan Ram according to you and then let me know. I have already wsted enough of time for such fishing expeditions! With regards, AKK > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > Dear Avtarji > > Namaskar! > > I think that there is some misunderstanding. > > What I mean is 3 Jan 5588BC Gregarian is equivalent to > > 16 Feb 5589BCE Julian.(Pl. disregard ealrier message of 20Nov) > > So please enter 16 Feb 5589BCE in your computer and see. > > Please do not add delta T correction.(Do not enter 18Feb Nov). > > (I expect that my calculation takes care of delta T) > > Please let me know. > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > I think that your computer may show moon and nodes slightly off but > > other planets should come correct. > > Prafulla > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vaman Mendkiji, > > > Namaskar! > > > <Does your software accept Gregarian date?> > > > Almost every software converts " Gregorian " dates to Julian by > > > subtracting ten days if the dates are prior to/of October 5, > > 1582. > > > After that date i.e. October 5, 1582, any date i.e. the dates of > > > Gregorian calenar, are accepted by any software without any such > > > corrections. > > > With regards, > > > AKK > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Avtarji > > > > Thanks for checking. > > > > Does your software accept Gregarian date? > > > > Prafulla > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafulla Vamana Mendki ji, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > The following is the planetary position, both so called > sayana > > > and > > > > > so called Lahiri nirayana for Jan 3, 5588 BC, 12 Noon LMT, > of > > ET > > > > for > > > > > Ayodhya, that corresponds to Jan 5, 5588 BC for 3-29-30 ET > > since > > > > the > > > > > approximate Delta Time then was 162506 seconds: > > > > > > > > > > As such, your calculations are absolutely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Besides, it is a moot point if India did have any > methodology > > of > > > > > calculating planets at that remote point of time i.e. more > > than > > > > 7000 > > > > > years back! > > > > > > > > > > As such, all the efforts of stalwarts to calculate > horoscopes > > of > > > > > Bhagwan Rama and Bhagwan Krishna or Mahabharata are > > > > > " yoon to hai hamko jannat kee hakeekat maloom lekin, > > > > > dil ke bahlane ko ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > > > > > > > > As such,it is a good past time for " jyotishis " of today to > > > > subjugate > > > > > divine incarnations also to planetary suzarinity. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > AVtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > (Sayana) > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > Mon 04°Ar30´58´´ > > > > > Sun 02°Sg55´29´´ ´ > > > > > Mer 09°Sc32 > > > > > Ven 00°Sg49 > > > > > Mar 01°Aq04 > > > > > Jup 15°Ge23 R > > > > > Sat 22°Cn31 R ´ > > > > > Nod 27°Pis26 R > > > > > SNo 27°Vi26 R : 4 > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ram - Natal Chart > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha 80 degrees 20 minutes plus > > > > > DeltaT = +162506s; ET = 3:39:30 AM Jan 5 5588 BC; ST = > > 07:45:17 > > > > > > > > > > CHART POINTS > > > > > Point Longitude > > > > > Mon 25°Ge50´46´´ ´ > > > > > Sun 23°Aq15´17´´ > > > > > Mer 29°Cp52 > > > > > Ven 21°Aq09 > > > > > Mar 21°Ar24 > > > > > Jup 05°Vi43 R ´ > > > > > Sat 12°Li50 R > > > > > Nod 17°Ge46 R > > > > > SNo 17°Sg46 R : 1 > > > > > > > > > > *** END REPORT *** > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " prafulla Vaman > Mendki " > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Vaman Mendki > > > > > House No.616/1,Kaustubh Bungalow > > > > > Near Mhasoba Temple, > > > > > Kalyan(W)421301 > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476 > > > > > Email:prafulla_mendki@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following information gives my calculations about > > Ramayana > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayana and Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriRam was born on 3 Jan 5588BC (5589BCE)Greg, > Chaitra > > > > Shukla > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > when the Planet positions were as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun : 5 deg Airis Moon: 98 deg,Near Punervasu, Pushya > > > > (Cancer) > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus : 357 Deg (Pisces) Mars : 275 Deg > > > (Capricornus) > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor: 110 Deg(Cancer) Saturn : 182 Deg (Libra), > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu: 154 Deg(Virgo) , Mercury : 30 Deg (Taurus) > > > > > > > > > > > > There were two Chaitra months.First started at 330 > Deg. > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > > > > started on 26 Dec 5589BC,Greg, at 358 Deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > After ShriRamjanma,after 31687days(1073 months),on > > > > > 25Sept5502BC, > > > > > > > > > > > > Poush(Magha) no moon day and Autumn equinox day, Treta > > Yug > > > > > ended > > > > > > > > > > > > and Dwaparyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1, Kaliyug started. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jan 3101BC, Falgun no moon day, all planets > > (except > > > > > Venus) > > > > > > > > > > > > were in Pisces.Venus was in Airis.All planets were > near > > > > > > > > > > > > eachother. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 th Sept 3008BC,Kartik no moon day,Sun and Moon > > were > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > 213.33 Deg(Nabhi)and there was solar eclipse at > Sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata war started on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 3008BC,Magh Shukla 8,winter solastice day, > > Moon > > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini. Bhishma died on this day. > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 10 Sept 3008BC = 942584 days = 31919 > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC to 25 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada no moon > day > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > 2480 days = 84 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 June 3001 BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13, North > > solastice > > > > day, > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 years of Sandhi period ended and actual kaliyug > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > However ShriKrishna was alive at this time and > therefore > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > did not believe that Kaliyug had started. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008BC Kartik no moon day to 24 Nov 2003 > > AD,Kartik > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > moon day = 1830304 days = 61980 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Dec 5589 BC to 24 Nov 2003 AD =2772888 days = 93899 > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > Computer programs can not show these dates correctly > > > because > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > have not taken into account change in synodic month > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > However http://www.moshier.net gives newmoontab.zip > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > It shows 11 April 3000BC(3001BCE) Julian( 18 March > Greg) > > > at > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:08:1.814 as new moon time(ephemeris time). > > > > > > > > > > > > After adding delta T of 23:46:30 and 5:30 for IST, it > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 March 3000 BC Greg, 9:24:41.814 IST as new moon > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Sept 3008 BC (6:24 AM) to 19 March 3000BC(9:24AM) > > > > > > > > > > > > =2746.125 days =93 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore 10 Sept 3008BC date matches with this table. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me lunar month is increasing by > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.00000001283days/year. > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 5000 years(Mahabharata > to > > > > > present) > > > > > > > > > > > > is 29.53055667 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > Average synodic month of last 7500 years (Ramayana to > > > > present) > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > 29.53054058days. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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