Beginner Question: Strength and Beneficity of planets

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I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology we must understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various programmesavailable like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY OTHERS but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations is also given that will be added knowledge.Thanks and with regards Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote: For any beginner in astrology, the steps to analyze a horoscope are:1. Which house does the query affect?2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is

he placed?3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?4. Which are the planets in the house?5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results, else it gives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on the strength of placement of planet.Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell how strong a planet is?A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if associated with functional friendA planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated with functional enemyHow to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many factors?Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn for Cancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with the books I

have - Kindly advise...ThanksKiran Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. MEHTAVEEOM HEALTHCARE

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These astrology books explain basics in such a way that even after

reading book from cover to cover u know all concepts except how to

apply them.

 

your answer does not answer my question - which is a fundamental: " how

to tell if planet is strong or not "

 

E.g: a query requires a particular house, to say when the event will

be timed, we need to look at house lord position, natural significator

position and planets in the house and house itself.

 

The basics for this are whether planet is in own house, exaltation,

friend's house, functional benefic, yogakaraka, aspected by friend etc.

I can make a list of all these - tell how the planet is placed.

 

But a chart can have interesting combinations:

Say mars is yogakaraka, functional benefic, exalted in 7th house which

contribute to his strength and

say the 7th house happens to be lorded by saturn: who is enemy of mars

and mars is associated with mercury (functional malefic for the chart)

and ketu (natural malefic): all of which contribute to his weakness

In this case, how would you apply the basic principles....

 

Note this is tricky because there are points contributing to his

overall strength and weakness. Now if you want to say if mars will

give good result in his dasa/antardasa as per Vimsottari - how would

you go about this?

 

it is easy to tell - " go learn basics " - but in any science/art, it is

possible to start doing exercises and learn.

 

Mehtaji: How did you learn Physics? by reading all theory or working

out problems? Can you help answer my query

 

I request the learned members of this group to guide me in this scenario

 

, " O.P. Mehta "

<opmehta_veeom wrote:

>

> I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology we

must understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various

programmes

> available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY OTHERS

> but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations is

also given that will be added knowledge.

> Thanks and with regards

>

> Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote: For

any beginner in astrology, the steps to analyze a horoscope are:

> 1. Which house does the query affect?

> 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed?

> 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?

> 4. Which are the planets in the house?

> 5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results, else

it gives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on

the strength of placement of planet.

>

> Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell

how strong a planet is?

>

> A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:

> own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if

associated with functional friend

>

> A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:

> enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated with

functional enemy

>

> How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many

factors?

> Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn for

Cancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?

>

> Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with the

books I have - Kindly advise...

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

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>

>

> Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.

>

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>

>

> MEHTA

> VEEOM HEALTHCARE

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[Guest guest]

Dear Kiran ji,

==>

These astrology books explain basics in such a way that even after

reading book from cover to cover u know all concepts except how to

apply them.

<==

Well said - and you are absolutely right! That is why this group

became necessary, to restructure things in the ancient way and

present them systematically.. So the question remains - 'how to

apply'. Just go to the files section and look inside the folder

named " Sreenadh " you will find a files with the names -

*

Sreenadh/

Introduction%20to%20Essence%20of%20Astrology.pdf

*

Sreenadh/

Essence%20of%20Ancient%20Astrology.pdf

*

Sreenadh/

Sun%20in%20Various%20signs.pdf

*

Sreenadh/

Lagna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

Start from them And you will see that every question should be

approached in small chunks - and also that every analysis of natal

chart happens in small chunks..

 

As of strengths - forget all other strengths as of now - and

consider ONLY the " strength due to placement " (i.e. Stana bala). Yah,

the exaltation, own house, friends house, debilitation stuff you

mentioned.

==>

> Say mars is yogakaraka, functional benefic, exalted in 7th house

> which contribute to his strength and say the 7th house happens to

> be lorded by saturn: who is enemy of mars and mars is associated

> with mercury (functional malefic for the chart)

> and ketu (natural malefic)

<==

Oh no! don't make a kichadi of things! Approach the analysis in

small chunks! For example -

* If mars is Yoga karaka - say the result for that. point.

* If Mars is exalted - say the result for that. point.

* If Mars is in 7th house - say the result for that. point.

* If Mars is exalted (i.e. in Cp) and is in 7th house - say the

result for this sign-house combination. point.

* If Saturn is in 7th - say the result for that. point.

* If Mars and Saturn are together in 7th - say the result for that.

point.

[Remember - no results gets cancelled, but only gets modified; so

every statement based on the above analytical approach will be true,

for sure]

In this way it goes. Your example amply illustrates that, how an

ignorant so called astrologer will mix-up everything and come up with

NOTHING - yah, not even a single result to state! And at the same

time a personal who systematically approached the subject will have a

thousand results to speak out! Yes, this itself is the difference

between the approach of the well learned ancient sages - and the

kichedi astro masters of modern times! Since you got a good example

at hand and your own experience with the same - I think you have a

good starting point to begin your study yourself.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> These astrology books explain basics in such a way that even after

> reading book from cover to cover u know all concepts except how to

> apply them.

>

> your answer does not answer my question - which is a

fundamental: " how

> to tell if planet is strong or not "

>

> E.g: a query requires a particular house, to say when the event will

> be timed, we need to look at house lord position, natural

significator

> position and planets in the house and house itself.

>

> The basics for this are whether planet is in own house, exaltation,

> friend's house, functional benefic, yogakaraka, aspected by friend

etc.

> I can make a list of all these - tell how the planet is placed.

>

> But a chart can have interesting combinations:

> Say mars is yogakaraka, functional benefic, exalted in 7th house

which

> contribute to his strength and

> say the 7th house happens to be lorded by saturn: who is enemy of

mars

> and mars is associated with mercury (functional malefic for the

chart)

> and ketu (natural malefic): all of which contribute to his weakness

> In this case, how would you apply the basic principles....

>

> Note this is tricky because there are points contributing to his

> overall strength and weakness. Now if you want to say if mars will

> give good result in his dasa/antardasa as per Vimsottari - how would

> you go about this?

>

> it is easy to tell - " go learn basics " - but in any science/art, it

is

> possible to start doing exercises and learn.

>

> Mehtaji: How did you learn Physics? by reading all theory or working

> out problems? Can you help answer my query

>

> I request the learned members of this group to guide me in this

scenario

>

> , " O.P. Mehta "

> <opmehta_veeom@> wrote:

> >

> > I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology

we

> must understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various

> programmes

> > available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY

OTHERS

> > but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations

is

> also given that will be added knowledge.

> > Thanks and with regards

> >

> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> wrote: For

> any beginner in astrology, the steps to analyze a horoscope are:

> > 1. Which house does the query affect?

> > 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed?

> > 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?

> > 4. Which are the planets in the house?

> > 5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results, else

> it gives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on

> the strength of placement of planet.

> >

> > Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell

> how strong a planet is?

> >

> > A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:

> > own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if

> associated with functional friend

> >

> > A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:

> > enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated with

> functional enemy

> >

> > How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many

> factors?

> > Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn

for

> Cancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?

> >

> > Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with

the

> books I have - Kindly advise...

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > MEHTA

> > VEEOM HEALTHCARE

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree to your view point, however, members of this group are supposed

to be completed or crossed that phase, though amateurs are always

welcome, starting from that zero point would put us off by few years to

reach this position more over many good books are available to that

effect. It is the prediction that is people are lacking in. Here

are we are currently discussing beyond the basics, yet beginner concepts

in terms of pure prediction i.e. what to predict based on planet

positions and conjuctions....etc..

 

should there be any specific question, they can get clarified by many

qualified astros in this group. ensure that the questions are clear

and of some stature.

 

with regards,

 

sreeram srinivas

 

 

, " O.P. Mehta "

<opmehta_veeom wrote:

>

> I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology we

must understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various

programmes

> available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY OTHERS

> but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations is

also given that will be added knowledge.

> Thanks and with regards

>

> Kiran R kiran.rama wrote: For any beginner in astrology, the steps

to analyze a horoscope are:

> 1. Which house does the query affect?

> 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed?

> 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?

> 4. Which are the planets in the house?

> 5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results, else it

gives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on the

strength of placement of planet.

>

> Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell how

strong a planet is?

>

> A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:

> own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if

associated with functional friend

>

> A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:

> enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated with

functional enemy

>

> How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many

factors?

> Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn for

Cancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?

>

> Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with the

books I have - Kindly advise...

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

>

>

>

>

> Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.

>

>

>

>

> MEHTA

> VEEOM HEALTHCARE

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Mr SREERAMThanks for your mail .I had expressed my view .Presently other than reading the mails or preserving it for my future reference/guidance I can not participate in any of the discussion as I am lacking the knowledge .Its not I ,but there could be many others in the line. If the basic applications are not applied properly or miscalculated mainly because of lack of knowledge , the astrology is blamed. May I once again request to please reconsider and send some good lessons for the beginners like me .Thanks and with warm regards Sre_eram <sreeram64 wrote: I agree to your view point, however, members of this group are supposed to be completed or crossed that phase, though amateurs are always welcome, starting from that zero point would put us off by few years to reach this position more over many good books are available to that effect. It is the prediction that is people are lacking in. Here are we are currently discussing beyond the basics, yet beginner concepts in terms of pure prediction i.e. what to predict based on planet positions and conjuctions....etc.. should there be any specific question, they can get clarified by many qualified astros in this group. ensure that the questions are clear and of some stature. with regards, sreeram srinivas , "O.P. Mehta" <opmehta_veeom wrote: > > I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology we must understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various programmes > available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY OTHERS > but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations is also given that will be added knowledge. > Thanks and with regards > > Kiran R kiran.rama wrote: For any beginner in astrology, the steps to analyze a horoscope are: > 1. Which house does the query affect? > 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed? > 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed? > 4. Which are the planets in the house? > 5. If planet is functional benefic it

gives positive results, else it gives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on the strength of placement of planet. > > Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell how strong a planet is? > > A planet can be considered to be strong if is in: > own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if associated with functional friend > > A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in: > enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated with functional enemy > > How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many factors? > Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn for Cancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad? > > Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with the books I have - Kindly advise... > Thanks >

Kiran > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > > > > MEHTA > VEEOM HEALTHCARE > > > > > MEHTAVEEOM HEALTHCARE

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Dear all This is a very good topic for beginners, Please enlighten us on this, How to find the strength of planet, how it is going to effect with different planets, Regards Jagadish"O.P. Mehta" <opmehta_veeom wrote: Dear Mr SREERAMThanks for your mail .I had expressed my view .Presently other than reading the mails or preserving it for my future reference/guidance I can not participate in any of the discussion as I am lacking the

knowledge .Its not I ,but there could be many others in the line. If the basic applications are not applied properly or miscalculated mainly because of lack of knowledge , the astrology is blamed. May I once again request to please reconsider and send some good lessons for the beginners like me .Thanks and with warm regards Sre_eram <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: I agree to your view point, however, members of this group are supposedto be completed or crossed that phase, though amateurs are alwayswelcome, starting from that zero point would put us off by few years toreach this position more over many good books are available to thateffect. It is the prediction that is people are lacking in. Hereare we are currently discussing beyond the basics, yet beginner conceptsin terms of pure

prediction i.e. what to predict based on planetpositions and conjuctions....etc..should there be any specific question, they can get clarified by manyqualified astros in this group. ensure that the questions are clearand of some stature.with regards,sreeram srinivas , "O.P. Mehta"<opmehta_veeom wrote:>> I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology wemust understand the basics , of course that can be seen on variousprogrammes> available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY OTHERS> but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations isalso given that will be added knowledge.> Thanks and with regards>> Kiran R kiran.rama wrote: For any beginner in astrology, the

stepsto analyze a horoscope are:> 1. Which house does the query affect?> 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed?> 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?> 4. Which are the planets in the house?> 5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results, else itgives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on thestrength of placement of planet.>> Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell howstrong a planet is?>> A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:> own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, ifassociated with functional friend>> A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:> enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated withfunctional enemy>> How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so

manyfactors?> Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn forCancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?>> Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with thebooks I have - Kindly advise...> Thanks> Kiran>>>>> > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.>>>>> MEHTA> VEEOM HEALTHCARE> > > > >MEHTAVEEOM HEALTHCARE Do You

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mehta ji,

Thanks for expressing your sincere concerns and opinians.

==>

May I once again request to please reconsider and send some good

lessons for the beginners like me .

<==

Even though I agree that it would be useful - that is not the

purpose and aim of the group. If any body prepares and presents the

such lessons - they are welcome. The point is -

* This is NOT a group which is trying to teach someone or trying to

spead knowledge.

* It is a group for people who work themselves and share their work

and understanding. (If others gets benefited by it - it is ok - but

not of any special importance)

* In this group - nobody is working for others - no, not even

trying to teach or teach. It is just a discussion board for learned

members to share their knowledge. If others gets benefits - then that

is only a side effect - and not the main purpose of the group.

So I will request YOU to prepare some beginners lessons and share

it with the group (if you feel like doing so) for the benefit of

other like you.

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh

 

, " O.P. Mehta "

<opmehta_veeom wrote:

>

> Dear Mr SREERAM

> Thanks for your mail .I had expressed my view .Presently other than

reading the mails or preserving it for my future reference/guidance I

can not participate in any of the discussion as I am lacking the

knowledge .Its not I ,but there could be many others in the line. If

the basic applications are not applied properly or miscalculated

mainly because of lack of knowledge , the astrology is blamed. May I

once again request to please reconsider and send some good lessons

for the beginners like me .

> Thanks and with warm regards

>

> Sre_eram <sreeram64 wrote:

> I agree to your view point, however, members of this group are

supposed

> to be completed or crossed that phase, though amateurs are always

> welcome, starting from that zero point would put us off by few

years to

> reach this position more over many good books are available to that

> effect. It is the prediction that is people are lacking in.

Here

> are we are currently discussing beyond the basics, yet beginner

concepts

> in terms of pure prediction i.e. what to predict based on planet

> positions and conjuctions....etc..

>

> should there be any specific question, they can get clarified by

many

> qualified astros in this group. ensure that the questions are

clear

> and of some stature.

>

> with regards,

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

> , " O.P. Mehta "

> <opmehta_veeom@> wrote:

> >

> > I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction

astrology we

> must understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various

> programmes

> > available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY OTHERS

> > but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations

is

> also given that will be added knowledge.

> > Thanks and with regards

> >

> > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: For any beginner in astrology, the

steps

> to analyze a horoscope are:

> > 1. Which house does the query affect?

> > 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed?

> > 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?

> > 4. Which are the planets in the house?

> > 5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results,

else it

> gives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on

the

> strength of placement of planet.

> >

> > Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to

tell how

> strong a planet is?

> >

> > A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:

> > own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if

> associated with functional friend

> >

> > A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:

> > enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated with

> functional enemy

> >

> > How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many

> factors?

> > Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn

for

> Cancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?

> >

> > Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with

the

> books I have - Kindly advise...

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > MEHTA

> > VEEOM HEALTHCARE

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

MEHTA

> VEEOM HEALTHCARE

>

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

What constitutes basic, giving a small brief {my perspective}

1) Casting a horoscope { Ayanamsa, Equal or Cuspal Concepts}

2) Knowing the 12 Houses { knowing the bhava & houses are same or different andtheories therein}

3) knowing the 7+2 Planets and what their attributes

4) knowing the vargas & what they are intended for or reveal { interpreting varga or varga charts, calculating different vargas and controversies therein}

5)Techniques of prediction { different school of thoughts - parashara, jamini, nakshatra techniques}

6) Different dasha systems { definition of year 365 Vs. 360..etc.,}

7) What are malefics, benefics, exaltation, debilitation, rasi tulya navamsa, ashtakvarga, bhadhaka, gulika, mandi, retrograde of a planet, combustion, ...etc. - general terminologies

It is difficult to convey the above mentioned basics through this forums, better you buy a book for Rs. 100-150 it contains every thing. If you do not understand any term, you can post the same in this forum, somebody would surley answer it. For they are many tables, calculations which cannot be taught. To expect everything from this forum is very difficult.Most of the members are working professionals and find time to share their thoughts this forums.

For some basic lessons are already written in details for beginners...kindly go through them first.... http://www.galacticcenter.org/ they are nicely written.

In each of above mentioned listed basics the one you read in brackets are all the topics which have some controversies and serious differences, and this are often discussed in great details in this forum.

In short, you need to know ABC...alphabets, & learn to write words. That is the basic mark that you need to achieve on your own. Then sentences formation is all that we discuss. For any interested student learning the defined basics should not be taking more than 15-20 days, depending upon once educational background. Engineers will be able to grasp it faster for some of the astronomy is something everybody must have learned in the first year of engg. { yester year engg. courses...}

keep visiting the forum and reading ......it will surely help you in the long run. Be prepared to invest atleast 5 yrs of your learning time to get some foot hold in astrology. This is a "kilith" vidya....... not every body would be successfully learning the prediction art. It is very time consuming and tricky subject. In terms of books,you should be ready to invest anything around Rs.10,000 + on very minimal basics....should you ready aspire to be one.....

with regards,

sreeram srinivas

 

, "O.P. Mehta" <opmehta_veeom wrote:>> Dear Mr SREERAM> Thanks for your mail .I had expressed my view .Presently other than reading the mails or preserving it for my future reference/guidance I can not participate in any of the discussion as I am lacking the knowledge .Its not I ,but there could be many others in the line. If the basic applications are not applied properly or miscalculated mainly because of lack of knowledge , the astrology is blamed. May I once again request to please reconsider and send some good lessons for the beginners like me .> Thanks and with warm regards > > Sre_eram sreeram64 wrote: > I agree to your view point, however, members of this group are supposed> to be completed or crossed that phase, though amateurs are always> welcome, starting from that zero point would put us off by few years to> reach this position more over many good books are available to that> effect. It is the prediction that is people are lacking in. Here> are we are currently discussing beyond the basics, yet beginner concepts> in terms of pure prediction i.e. what to predict based on planet> positions and conjuctions....etc..> > should there be any specific question, they can get clarified by many> qualified astros in this group. ensure that the questions are clear> and of some stature.> > with regards,> > sreeram srinivas> > , "O.P. Mehta"> opmehta_veeom@ wrote:> >> > I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology we> must understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various> programmes> > available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY OTHERS> > but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations is> also given that will be added knowledge.> > Thanks and with regards> >> > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: For any beginner in astrology, the steps> to analyze a horoscope are:> > 1. Which house does the query affect?> > 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed?> > 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?> > 4. Which are the planets in the house?> > 5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results, else it> gives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on the> strength of placement of planet.> >> > Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell how> strong a planet is?> >> > A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:> > own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if> associated with functional friend> >> > A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:> > enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated with> functional enemy> >> > How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many> factors?> > Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn for> Cancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?> >> > Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with the> books I have - Kindly advise...> > Thanks> > Kiran> >> >> >> >> > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.> >> >> >> >> > MEHTA> > VEEOM HEALTHCARE> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > MEHTA> VEEOM HEALTHCARE> > > > >

[Guest guest]

For every lagna, there are benefic and malefic planets. This roles

sometimes get mixed up due to PAC i.e. position, aspect and conjunction

of a planet. Day or night birth, Condition of Moon i.e. Shukla paksh or

Krishna paksh, in which house it is posited i.e. certain planets get

strength in 4H or 10H, or in Lagna..etc.. The planets exaltation or

debilitation, same exaltation and debilitation in certain selected

houses again changes the combinations. Planetary placement in certain

signs gives it strength or weakness.

 

In short, if you see it is very subjective to say it is benefic or

malefic. Moreover the same planet being benefic causes more harm than

malefic planet, for the astrology is a great science, but interpretation

or prediction is a ARTand requires good amount of judgement. It is

here knowledgeable astros make or break in predictive skills.

 

Kindly do not expect someone to write a book and post it in this forum.

I would request you to kindly buy a book on SHADBAL costs Rs. 60 or so,

available from the adjacent bookshop to Bharatiya Vidya Bhawan, { Mehta

House} K.G. Marg, New Delhi - 110001, the shop is open from morning

09:00 hrs - 18:00hrs during weekends. On Sundays 15:00 - 18:00hrs.

 

Trust the above overview is sufficient for the beginners to start with.

 

with regards,

 

sreeram srinivas

 

 

, Jagadish Tuppad

<jagadishtuppad wrote:

>

> Dear all

>

> This is a very good topic for beginners, Please enlighten us on this,

How to find the strength of planet, how it is going to effect with

different planets,

>

> Regards

>

> Jagadish

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeramji,

 

would you pls suggest few books for beginners !

 

Regards,

 

Ganesh

On 11/5/07, Sre_eram <sreeram64 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

I agree to your view point, however, members of this group are supposedto be completed or crossed that phase, though amateurs are alwayswelcome, starting from that zero point would put us off by few years to

reach this position more over many good books are available to thateffect. It is the prediction that is people are lacking in. Hereare we are currently discussing beyond the basics, yet beginner conceptsin terms of pure prediction i.e. what to predict based on planetpositions and conjuctions....etc..should there be any specific question, they can get clarified by manyqualified astros in this group. ensure that the questions are clear

and of some stature.with regards,sreeram srinivas

, " O.P. Mehta " <opmehta_veeom wrote:>> I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology wemust understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various

programmes> available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY OTHERS> but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations isalso given that will be added knowledge.> Thanks and with regards

>> Kiran R kiran.rama wrote: For any beginner in astrology, the stepsto analyze a horoscope are:> 1. Which house does the query affect?> 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed?

> 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?> 4. Which are the planets in the house?> 5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results, else itgives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on the

strength of placement of planet.>> Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell howstrong a planet is?>> A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:> own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if

associated with functional friend>> A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:> enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated withfunctional enemy>> How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many

factors?> Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn forCancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?>> Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with the

books I have - Kindly advise...> Thanks> Kiran>>>>> > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.>>

>>> MEHTA> VEEOM HEALTHCARE> > > >

> -- Regards,Ganesh Krishnamurthy

ganeshkm

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

I went through the docs posted by you in this mail. There are no words

that can describe the brilliance of these uploads especially the

" Lagna lord in various houses " - The methodology can be extrapolated

to each house lord in various houses (e.g: 2nd house lord in various

houses) - I am working on that

 

For the benefit of this group and the world, it would be great if you

could come up with a few more uploads that tell us about the impact of

malefics in house prediction, how to use appropriate dasa systems etc

as taught by the rishis.

 

If you ever write or plan to write a book Sreenadhji, I will be the

first to order it.

 

Thanks

Kiran

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

> ==>

> These astrology books explain basics in such a way that even after

> reading book from cover to cover u know all concepts except how to

> apply them.

> <==

> Well said - and you are absolutely right! That is why this group

> became necessary, to restructure things in the ancient way and

> present them systematically.. So the question remains - 'how to

> apply'. Just go to the files section and look inside the folder

> named " Sreenadh " you will find a files with the names -

> *

> Sreenadh/

> Introduction%20to%20Essence%20of%20Astrology.pdf

> *

> Sreenadh/

> Essence%20of%20Ancient%20Astrology.pdf

> *

> Sreenadh/

> Sun%20in%20Various%20signs.pdf

> *

> Sreenadh/

> Lagna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> Start from them And you will see that every question should be

> approached in small chunks - and also that every analysis of natal

> chart happens in small chunks..

>

> As of strengths - forget all other strengths as of now - and

> consider ONLY the " strength due to placement " (i.e. Stana bala). Yah,

> the exaltation, own house, friends house, debilitation stuff you

> mentioned.

> ==>

> > Say mars is yogakaraka, functional benefic, exalted in 7th house

> > which contribute to his strength and say the 7th house happens to

> > be lorded by saturn: who is enemy of mars and mars is associated

> > with mercury (functional malefic for the chart)

> > and ketu (natural malefic)

> <==

> Oh no! don't make a kichadi of things! Approach the analysis in

> small chunks! For example -

> * If mars is Yoga karaka - say the result for that. point.

> * If Mars is exalted - say the result for that. point.

> * If Mars is in 7th house - say the result for that. point.

> * If Mars is exalted (i.e. in Cp) and is in 7th house - say the

> result for this sign-house combination. point.

> * If Saturn is in 7th - say the result for that. point.

> * If Mars and Saturn are together in 7th - say the result for that.

> point.

> [Remember - no results gets cancelled, but only gets modified; so

> every statement based on the above analytical approach will be true,

> for sure]

> In this way it goes. Your example amply illustrates that, how an

> ignorant so called astrologer will mix-up everything and come up with

> NOTHING - yah, not even a single result to state! And at the same

> time a personal who systematically approached the subject will have a

> thousand results to speak out! Yes, this itself is the difference

> between the approach of the well learned ancient sages - and the

> kichedi astro masters of modern times! Since you got a good example

> at hand and your own experience with the same - I think you have a

> good starting point to begin your study yourself.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " kiran.rama "

> <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > These astrology books explain basics in such a way that even after

> > reading book from cover to cover u know all concepts except how to

> > apply them.

> >

> > your answer does not answer my question - which is a

> fundamental: " how

> > to tell if planet is strong or not "

> >

> > E.g: a query requires a particular house, to say when the event will

> > be timed, we need to look at house lord position, natural

> significator

> > position and planets in the house and house itself.

> >

> > The basics for this are whether planet is in own house, exaltation,

> > friend's house, functional benefic, yogakaraka, aspected by friend

> etc.

> > I can make a list of all these - tell how the planet is placed.

> >

> > But a chart can have interesting combinations:

> > Say mars is yogakaraka, functional benefic, exalted in 7th house

> which

> > contribute to his strength and

> > say the 7th house happens to be lorded by saturn: who is enemy of

> mars

> > and mars is associated with mercury (functional malefic for the

> chart)

> > and ketu (natural malefic): all of which contribute to his weakness

> > In this case, how would you apply the basic principles....

> >

> > Note this is tricky because there are points contributing to his

> > overall strength and weakness. Now if you want to say if mars will

> > give good result in his dasa/antardasa as per Vimsottari - how would

> > you go about this?

> >

> > it is easy to tell - " go learn basics " - but in any science/art, it

> is

> > possible to start doing exercises and learn.

> >

> > Mehtaji: How did you learn Physics? by reading all theory or working

> > out problems? Can you help answer my query

> >

> > I request the learned members of this group to guide me in this

> scenario

> >

> > , " O.P. Mehta "

> > <opmehta_veeom@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am of the opinion that before we start the prediction astrology

> we

> > must understand the basics , of course that can be seen on various

> > programmes

> > > available like that of MR RAMAN , MR KP MR LAHIRI AND MANY

> OTHERS

> > > but the calculations differs.If some lessons on the calculations

> is

> > also given that will be added knowledge.

> > > Thanks and with regards

> > >

> > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> wrote: For

> > any beginner in astrology, the steps to analyze a horoscope are:

> > > 1. Which house does the query affect?

> > > 2. Who is the lord of the house? Where/how is he placed?

> > > 3. Who is natural karaka for the house? Where/how is he placed?

> > > 4. Which are the planets in the house?

> > > 5. If planet is functional benefic it gives positive results, else

> > it gives negative results in its vimsottari dasa and that depends on

> > the strength of placement of planet.

> > >

> > > Naturally, One question that occurs to every person is how to tell

> > how strong a planet is?

> > >

> > > A planet can be considered to be strong if is in:

> > > own sign, exalted, Moolatrikona sign, aspected by friend, if

> > associated with functional friend

> > >

> > > A planet can be considered to be weak if it is in:

> > > enemy house, debilitated, aspected by enemy, associated with

> > functional enemy

> > >

> > > How to get exactly the strength since strength depends on so many

> > factors?

> > > Suppose a planet is functional neutral for a sign, (say Saturn

> for

> > Cancer ascendant), does it mean he will do nothing good or bad?

> > >

> > > Sreenadhji, as suggested by you, I am going ahead learning with

> the

> > books I have - Kindly advise...

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > MEHTA

> > > VEEOM HEALTHCARE

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>