days of the week (File uploaded )

November 4, 2007

Dear Tood ji, Goel ji, Ravi ji, Arjun ji and all,

I have uploaded a document which presents my understanding about the

origin and concepts behind Week day lordship. You will find this

document in the files section of the group, inside the folder named

" Sreenadh " . The file name is " Days of Week.doc " . The url is given below:

Sreenadh/Days%20of%\

\

20Week.doc

Hope this helps.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Goel ji,

> The basis you gave is truly acceptable. But the question (given

> below) raised by Todd ji was of a different perspective. Let us re-

> read the question.

> ==>

> > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact

> > Thursday?

> <==

> Of course today can be 'Thursday' (Guru Var = Jupiter's day) because

> the first Kalahora for today begins with the hora (hour) of Jupiter.

> But the question raised above is " WHY the first Kalahora should be of

> Jupiter at all - for today? " . The following lines clarifies Todd ji's

> doubts -

> ==>

> > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle, but so

> > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my

> > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random,

> > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can be

> > computed definitively.

> <==

> The following logic stated by you, could be one of the reasons.

> ==>

> > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent when

> > viewed from the Earth. Slowest Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun , Venus,

> > Mercury and fastest Moon.

> > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of Venus ,followed

> > by Mercury,NOON,Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order of

> > the cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.

> > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this order.The 25th

> > Hora will be of Saturn, thus the next day will be called Saturday,

> > and so on. THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN

> PERPETUAL MANNER.

> <==

> But is that all? Could there be other possible reasons - some thing

> that links the weeks days with some NATURAL RHYTHM, (Apart from

> the 'closed circle' you mentioned) making 'Jupiter' the ONLY possible

> owner of the first hora of Thursday? There could be. One such idea is

> the correlation with breath patter which Chadra Hari provides. There

> could be other logical possibilities as well.

> It was this second question of Todd ji with a different perspective

> I was addressing; the first question 'What is the logic behind week

> day names?' you have answered perfectly - and acceptable to all of

> us, certainly me.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > The basis of caluclating week days was given in my previous mail .

> Is

> > thas is not acceptable? Please clarify:

> >

> > " In ancient times the days were fixed after the names of the seven

> > planets.

> > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent when

> viewed

> > from the Earth.

> > Slowest Saturn,Jupiter, Mars, Sun , Venus, Mercury and fastest Moon.

> > The day and night is divided in 24 parts, and each part is

> > called " HORA "

> > The name of the day is kept on the basis of the lord of the first

> > Hora of the day.

> > The lord of the Horas according to the order of the planets

> mentioned

> > above.

> > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of Venus ,followed

> by

> > Mercury,NOON,Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order of the

> > cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.

> > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this order.The 25th

> > Hora will be

> > of Saturn, thus the next day will be called Saturday,

> > and so on.

> > THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN PERPETUAL MANNER.

> > Varaha Mihira in Chapter 12 Sloka 31 of 'SURYA SIDDHANT' refers to

> > this order of planetary arrangement. "

> > Regards,

> > Gopal Goel

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Todd ji and Ravi ji,

> > > ==>

> > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact

> > Thursday?

> > > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle, but

> so

> > > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my

> > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random,

> > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can be

> > > computed definitively.

> > > <==

> > > The week days ARE based on a natural cycle - some connects it

> to

> > > the cycle of planet names in the solar system, and chandra hari

> > > connects it with the breath pattern. In essence, it is also an

> > > concept evolved from age old concept originated from " Etha

> pindande

> > > tatha Brahmande " (The universe and the atom are the similar or

> The

> > > solar system and human body are similar).

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " A. Ravindran

> > Nair "

> > > <rain13@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear

> > > >

> > > > Yes, it is very difficult to identify the day. Thithis can be

> > > somewhat identified by looking at the size of the Moon and the

> > angle

> > > from Sun. But such a marking is not possible for Sun. Hope we

> > will

> > > have an answer some day.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ravi Nair

> > > >

> > > > @: todd@: Thu, 1 Nov 2007

> > > 09:26:26 -0700 re: days of the

> > week

> > > >

> > > > Hi Ravi,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for your comments. What still puzzles me is HOW we

> > > decide which day of the week it is, not the order - that I can

> can

> > > accept as per your explanation (thank you!). But what external

> > > evidences tell us that today is in fact Thursday? My thought

> was

> > > that it must be based on some natural cycle, but so far nobody

> has

> > > been able to specify this. It appears from my perspective that

> > > deciding that today is Thursday is a random, evolutionary

> process,

> > as

> > > opposed to being something that can be computed definitively. As

> I

> > > said, this would seem to be of great importance in certain

> remedial

> > > measures where the days of the week are concerned.

> > > >

> > > > best to all...

> > > >

> > > Caldecott

> > > > todd@

> > > > www.toddcaldecott.com

> > > >

> > > > On 1-Nov-07, at 6:50 AM,

>

> > > wrote:

> > > > The concept as I understand is:

> > > >

> > > > There are 24 horas (hrs) in a day. The horas started from Sun

> as

> > HE

> > > is the supreme energy giver and creator of universe, so to

> identify

> > > this day it has been named as Sun's day (Sunday). The 2nd hora on

> > > Sunday is of the 6th planet (i.e., from Sun the 6th planet in the

> > > order is Venus), and the next hora is again the 6th planet from

> it

> > > i.e., Mercury, the next 6th planet will be Moon etc. In this

> order

> > > the last 24th hora on Sunday will be of Mercury and the day is

> > deemed

> > > to be completed as the earth completed one 360 deg turn and the

> > > starting point again appeared in front of Sun signifying start of

> > > another day. Automatically the first hora of the next day will be

> > of

> > > the 6th planet from the last hora of Mercury i.e., Moon and it is

> > > Moon's day (Monday). The subsequent order of Sunday, Monday,

> > Tuesday,

> > > Wednesday,Thursday, Friday and Saturday exactly clicks in this

> > format.

> > > >

> > > > In this order on Saturday the last hora will be of Tuesday and

> > > automatically the hora of the 6th planet from it will be of Sun,

> > > hence it is Sun's day (Sunday) and again the next week start from

> > > Sunday and in order to avoid identity duplication, the concept of

> > > WEEK came into existence to differenciate between different

> > > repetition days. So is the concept of Months, Year, yuga etc. So

> > from

> > > the 7th day instead of jumping to the 8th day it repeated from 1

> > > again from Sun and the subsequent cycle followed.

> > > >

> > > > The names of the days earlier clearly represented the 7 planets

> > > different names in Sanskrit which got evolutionalised to todays

> > > modern names Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

> Friday,

> > > Saturday etc. The names of months Medam, Edavam etc. earlier

> seems

> > to

> > > be a clear representation of the climatic condition prevailing

> then

> > > throughout the year.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Ravi Nair

> > > >

> _______________

> > > > Discover the new Windows Vista

> > > > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista & mkt=en-

> > > US & form=QBRE

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 12, 2007

Dear Mr. Tood and other friends,

Jyotish is also called 'ANKAN SHASTRA'

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

Let us CONSIDER Gregorian Calendar - What is the astronomical basis of starting the year from 1st January. But it is now coming in a well defined cyclic order.This is a civil calender and one does need the help of experts to construct the calender of subsequent years.

On account oe their occurrence in cyclic order, number one and subsequent numbers attains strength by its use. Persons born on 1st do have particular power by its continuous use . Similarly week days are in use and fall in cyclic order. This gives

them power. Lord Rama was born on 9th day and Lord Krishna was born on 8th day based on the CIVIL REPEAT CIVIL calender prevalent in those days,(Five yuga system was prevalent in those days -which was adjusted after 19 solar years). As such Lord Rama and KRISHNA responded to the characteristics of numbers 9 and 8 respectively.

Similarly ascending house also responds to 1st Sign Aries along with rising sign.Some persons are well within their right to call 'ARUN SAMHITA ' as fake but it is based on this basic principle .'

LAL KITAB APPROACH IS LIMITED , BUT WHATEVER IT SAYS COMES TRUE.

ON THIS SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING BIRTH DETAILS OF LORD RAMA , BUT WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING THE civil CALENDER PREVALENT IN THOSE DAYS..

Regards,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Sunday, 4 November, 2007 3:36:12 PM Re: days of the week (File uploaded )

Dear Tood ji, Goel ji, Ravi ji, Arjun ji and all,I have uploaded a document which presents my understanding about theorigin and concepts behind Week day lordship. You will find thisdocument in the files section of the group, inside the folder named"Sreenadh". The file name is "Days of Week.doc". The url is given below: http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology Sreenadh/ Days%20of% \20Week.docHope this helps.Love,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"<sreesog > wrote:>> Dear Goel ji,> The basis you gave is truly acceptable. But the question

(given > below) raised by Todd ji was of a different perspective. Let us re-> read the question. > ==>> > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact > > Thursday? > <==> Of course today can be 'Thursday' (Guru Var = Jupiter's day) because > the first Kalahora for today begins with the hora (hour) of Jupiter. > But the question raised above is "WHY the first Kalahora should be of > Jupiter at all - for today?".. The following lines clarifies Todd ji's > doubts -> ==>> > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle, but so > > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random, > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can be > > computed definitively. > <== > The

following logic stated by you, could be one of the reasons. > ==>> > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent when > > viewed from the Earth. Slowest Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun , Venus, > > Mercury and fastest Moon.> > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of Venus ,followed> > by Mercury,NOON, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order of > > the cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.> > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this order.The 25th > > Hora will be of Saturn, thus the next day will be called Saturday,> > and so on. THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN > PERPETUAL MANNER.> <==> But is that all? Could there be other possible reasons - some thing > that links the weeks days with some NATURAL RHYTHM, (Apart from > the 'closed circle' you mentioned)

making 'Jupiter' the ONLY possible > owner of the first hora of Thursday? There could be. One such idea is > the correlation with breath patter which Chadra Hari provides. There > could be other logical possibilities as well. > It was this second question of Todd ji with a different perspective > I was addressing; the first question 'What is the logic behind week > day names?' you have answered perfectly - and acceptable to all of > us, certainly me.> Love,> Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel > <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:> > > > Dear Friends,> > The basis of caluclating week days was given in my previous mail . > Is > > thas is not

acceptable? Please clarify:> > > > "In ancient times the days were fixed after the names of the seven > > planets.> > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent when > viewed> > from the Earth.> > Slowest Saturn,Jupiter, Mars, Sun , Venus, Mercury and fastest Moon.> > The day and night is divided in 24 parts, and each part is > > called "HORA"> > The name of the day is kept on the basis of the lord of the first > > Hora of the day.> > The lord of the Horas according to the order of the planets > mentioned > > above.> > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of Venus ,followed > by > > Mercury,NOON, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order of the > > cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.> > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following

this order.The 25th > > Hora will be> > of Saturn, thus the next day will be called Saturday,> > and so on.> > THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN PERPETUAL MANNER.> > Varaha Mihira in Chapter 12 Sloka 31 of 'SURYA SIDDHANT' refers to > > this order of planetary arrangement. "> > Regards,> > Gopal Goel > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Todd ji and Ravi ji,> > > ==>> > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact > > Thursday? > > > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle, but > so >

> > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my > > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random, > > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can be > > > computed definitively. > > > <==> > > The week days ARE based on a natural cycle - some connects it > to > > > the cycle of planet names in the solar system, and chandra hari > > > connects it with the breath pattern. In essence, it is also an > > > concept evolved from age old concept originated from "Etha > pindande > > > tatha Brahmande" (The universe and the atom are the similar or > The > > > solar system and human body are similar).> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "A. Ravindran > > Nair" > > > <rain13@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear > > > > > > > > Yes, it is very difficult to identify the day. Thithis can be > > > somewhat identified by looking at the size of the Moon and the > > angle > > > from Sun. But such a marking is not possible for Sun. Hope we > > will > > > have an answer some day.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Ravi Nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ : todd@: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 > > > 09:26:26 -0700Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] re: days of the > > week> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ravi,> > > > > > > > Many thanks for your comments. What still puzzles me is HOW we > > > decide which day of the week it is, not the order - that I can > can > > > accept as per your explanation (thank you!). But what external > > > evidences tell us that today is in fact Thursday? My thought > was > > > that it must be based on some natural cycle, but so far nobody > has > > > been able to specify this. It appears from my perspective that > > > deciding that today is Thursday is a random, evolutionary > process, > > as > > > opposed to being something that can be computed definitively. As

> I > > > said, this would seem to be of great importance in certain > remedial > > > measures where the days of the week are concerned. > > > > > > > > best to all...> > > > > > > Caldecott> > > > todd@> > > > www.toddcaldecott. com> > > > > > > > On 1-Nov-07, at 6:50 AM, > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > wrote:> > > > The concept as I understand is:> > > > > > > > There are 24 horas (hrs) in a day. The horas started from Sun > as > > HE > > > is the supreme energy giver and creator of universe, so to > identify

> > > this day it has been named as Sun's day (Sunday). The 2nd hora on > > > Sunday is of the 6th planet (i.e., from Sun the 6th planet in the > > > order is Venus), and the next hora is again the 6th planet from > it > > > i.e., Mercury, the next 6th planet will be Moon etc. In this > order > > > the last 24th hora on Sunday will be of Mercury and the day is > > deemed > > > to be completed as the earth completed one 360 deg turn and the > > > starting point again appeared in front of Sun signifying start of > > > another day. Automatically the first hora of the next day will be > > of > > > the 6th planet from the last hora of Mercury i.e., Moon and it is > > > Moon's day (Monday). The subsequent order of Sunday, Monday, > > Tuesday, > > > Wednesday,Thursday, Friday

and Saturday exactly clicks in this > > format.> > > > > > > > In this order on Saturday the last hora will be of Tuesday and > > > automatically the hora of the 6th planet from it will be of Sun, > > > hence it is Sun's day (Sunday) and again the next week start from > > > Sunday and in order to avoid identity duplication, the concept of > > > WEEK came into existence to differenciate between different > > > repetition days. So is the concept of Months, Year, yuga etc. So > > from > > > the 7th day instead of jumping to the 8th day it repeated from 1 > > > again from Sun and the subsequent cycle followed.> > > > > > > > The names of the days earlier clearly represented the 7 planets > > > different names in Sanskrit which got evolutionalised to todays > >

> modern names Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, > Friday, > > > Saturday etc. The names of months Medam, Edavam etc. earlier > seems > > to > > > be a clear representation of the climatic condition prevailing > then > > > throughout the year. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Ravi Nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > > > Discover the new Windows Vista> > > > http://search. msn.com/results. aspx?q=windows+ vista & mkt= en-> > > US & form=QBRE> > > >> > >> >>

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November 12, 2007

Dear Goel ji,

==>

> Jyotish is also called 'ANKAN SHASTRA' WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

<==

I think - you should better answer your self.

==>

> LAL KITAB APPROACH IS LIMITED , BUT WHATEVER IT SAYS COMES TRUE.

<==

I have a different opinion - but any way, that is not important. I

have seen different people saying different things about Lal kitab,

and it is also said that there are numerous inconsistent versions of

the same text.

==>

> ON THIS SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING BIRTH DETAILS OF LORD RAMA , BUT

WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING THE civil CALENDER PREVALENT IN THOSE

DAYS.

<==

I request you to elaborate about the CIVIL CALENDAR used in those

days. But I have a doubt - which period you mean? Treta yuga or BC

2nd century?

Regards,

Sreenadh

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Tood and other friends,

> Jyotish is also called 'ANKAN SHASTRA'

> WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

> Let us CONSIDER Gregorian Calendar - What is the astronomical basis

of starting the year from 1st January. But it is now coming in a

well defined cyclic order.This is a civil calender and one does need

the help of experts to construct the calender of subsequent years.

> On account oe their occurrence in cyclic order, number one and

subsequent numbers attains strength by its use. Persons born on 1st

do have particular power by its continuous use . Similarly week days

are in use and fall in cyclic order. This gives

> them power. Lord Rama was born on 9th day and Lord Krishna was

born on 8th day based on the CIVIL REPEAT CIVIL calender prevalent

in those days,(Five yuga system was prevalent in those days -which

was adjusted after 19 solar years). As such Lord Rama and KRISHNA

responded to the characteristics of numbers 9 and 8 respectively.

> Similarly ascending house also responds to 1st Sign Aries along

with rising sign.Some persons are well within their right to

call 'ARUN SAMHITA ' as fake but it is based on this basic

principle .'

> LAL KITAB APPROACH IS LIMITED , BUT WHATEVER IT SAYS COMES TRUE.

> ON THIS SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING BIRTH DETAILS OF LORD RAMA , BUT

WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING THE civil CALENDER PREVALENT IN THOSE

DAYS.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog

>

> Sunday, 4 November, 2007 3:36:12 PM

> Re: days of the week (File

uploaded )

>

> Dear Tood ji, Goel ji, Ravi ji, Arjun ji and all,

> I have uploaded a document which presents my understanding about the

> origin and concepts behind Week day lordship. You will find this

> document in the files section of the group, inside the folder named

> " Sreenadh " . The file name is " Days of Week.doc " . The url is given

below:

> http://groups. / group/ancient_

indian_astrology Sreenadh/ Days%20of% \

> 20Week.doc

> Hope this helps.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goel ji,

> > The basis you gave is truly acceptable. But the question (given

> > below) raised by Todd ji was of a different perspective. Let us

re-

> > read the question.

> > ==>

> > > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact

> > > Thursday?

> > <==

> > Of course today can be 'Thursday' (Guru Var = Jupiter's day)

because

> > the first Kalahora for today begins with the hora (hour) of

Jupiter.

> > But the question raised above is " WHY the first Kalahora should

be of

> > Jupiter at all - for today? " . The following lines clarifies Todd

ji's

> > doubts -

> > ==>

> > > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle, but

so

> > > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my

> > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random,

> > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can be

> > > computed definitively.

> > <==

> > The following logic stated by you, could be one of the reasons.

> > ==>

> > > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent when

> > > viewed from the Earth. Slowest Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun ,

Venus,

> > > Mercury and fastest Moon.

> > > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of

Venus ,followed

> > > by Mercury,NOON, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order

of

> > > the cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.

> > > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this order.The

25th

> > > Hora will be of Saturn, thus the next day will be called

Saturday,

> > > and so on. THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN

> > PERPETUAL MANNER.

> > <==

> > But is that all? Could there be other possible reasons - some

thing

> > that links the weeks days with some NATURAL RHYTHM, (Apart from

> > the 'closed circle' you mentioned) making 'Jupiter' the ONLY

possible

> > owner of the first hora of Thursday? There could be. One such

idea is

> > the correlation with breath patter which Chadra Hari provides.

There

> > could be other logical possibilities as well..

> > It was this second question of Todd ji with a different

perspective

> > I was addressing; the first question 'What is the logic behind

week

> > day names?' you have answered perfectly - and acceptable to all

of

> > us, certainly me.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> > <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > The basis of caluclating week days was given in my previous

mail .

> > Is

> > > thas is not acceptable? Please clarify:

> > >

> > > " In ancient times the days were fixed after the names of the

seven

> > > planets.

> > > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent when

> > viewed

> > > from the Earth.

> > > Slowest Saturn,Jupiter, Mars, Sun , Venus, Mercury and fastest

Moon.

> > > The day and night is divided in 24 parts, and each part is

> > > called " HORA "

> > > The name of the day is kept on the basis of the lord of the

first

> > > Hora of the day.

> > > The lord of the Horas according to the order of the planets

> > mentioned

> > > above.

> > > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of

Venus ,followed

> > by

> > > Mercury,NOON, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order of

the

> > > cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.

> > > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this order.The

25th

> > > Hora will be

> > > of Saturn, thus the next day will be called Saturday,

> > > and so on.

> > > THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN PERPETUAL

MANNER.

> > > Varaha Mihira in Chapter 12 Sloka 31 of 'SURYA SIDDHANT' refers

to

> > > this order of planetary arrangement. "

> > > Regards,

> > > Gopal Goel

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Todd ji and Ravi ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact

> > > Thursday?

> > > > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle,

but

> > so

> > > > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my

> > > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random,

> > > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can

be

> > > > computed definitively.

> > > > <==

> > > > The week days ARE based on a natural cycle - some connects it

> > to

> > > > the cycle of planet names in the solar system, and chandra

hari

> > > > connects it with the breath pattern. In essence, it is also

an

> > > > concept evolved from age old concept originated from " Etha

> > pindande

> > > > tatha Brahmande " (The universe and the atom are the similar

or

> > The

> > > > solar system and human body are similar).

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " A.

Ravindran

> > > Nair "

> > > > <rain13@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, it is very difficult to identify the day. Thithis can

be

> > > > somewhat identified by looking at the size of the Moon and

the

> > > angle

> > > > from Sun. But such a marking is not possible for Sun. Hope we

> > > will

> > > > have an answer some day.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ravi Nair

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ : todd@: Thu, 1 Nov 2007

> > > > 09:26:26 -0700[ancient_indian_ astrology] re: days

of the

> > > week

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Ravi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks for your comments. What still puzzles me is HOW

we

> > > > decide which day of the week it is, not the order - that I

can

> > can

> > > > accept as per your explanation (thank you!). But what

external

> > > > evidences tell us that today is in fact Thursday? My thought

> > was

> > > > that it must be based on some natural cycle, but so far

nobody

> > has

> > > > been able to specify this. It appears from my perspective

that

> > > > deciding that today is Thursday is a random, evolutionary

> > process,

> > > as

> > > > opposed to being something that can be computed definitively.

As

> > I

> > > > said, this would seem to be of great importance in certain

> > remedial

> > > > measures where the days of the week are concerned.

> > > > >

> > > > > best to all...

> > > > >

> > > > Caldecott

> > > > > todd@

> > > > > www.toddcaldecott. com

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1-Nov-07, at 6:50 AM,

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > The concept as I understand is:

> > > > >

> > > > > There are 24 horas (hrs) in a day. The horas started from

Sun

> > as

> > > HE

> > > > is the supreme energy giver and creator of universe, so to

> > identify

> > > > this day it has been named as Sun's day (Sunday). The 2nd

hora on

> > > > Sunday is of the 6th planet (i.e., from Sun the 6th planet in

the

> > > > order is Venus), and the next hora is again the 6th planet

from

> > it

> > > > i.e., Mercury, the next 6th planet will be Moon etc. In this

> > order

> > > > the last 24th hora on Sunday will be of Mercury and the day

is

> > > deemed

> > > > to be completed as the earth completed one 360 deg turn and

the

> > > > starting point again appeared in front of Sun signifying

start of

> > > > another day. Automatically the first hora of the next day

will be

> > > of

> > > > the 6th planet from the last hora of Mercury i.e., Moon and

it is

> > > > Moon's day (Monday). The subsequent order of Sunday, Monday,

> > > Tuesday,

> > > > Wednesday,Thursday, Friday and Saturday exactly clicks in

this

> > > format.

> > > > >

> > > > > In this order on Saturday the last hora will be of Tuesday

and

> > > > automatically the hora of the 6th planet from it will be of

Sun,

> > > > hence it is Sun's day (Sunday) and again the next week start

from

> > > > Sunday and in order to avoid identity duplication, the

concept of

> > > > WEEK came into existence to differenciate between different

> > > > repetition days. So is the concept of Months, Year, yuga etc.

So

> > > from

> > > > the 7th day instead of jumping to the 8th day it repeated

from 1

> > > > again from Sun and the subsequent cycle followed.

> > > > >

> > > > > The names of the days earlier clearly represented the 7

planets

> > > > different names in Sanskrit which got evolutionalised to

todays

> > > > modern names Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

> > Friday,

> > > > Saturday etc. The names of months Medam, Edavam etc. earlier

> > seems

> > > to

> > > > be a clear representation of the climatic condition

prevailing

> > then

> > > > throughout the year.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Ravi Nair

> > > > >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > > > > Discover the new Windows Vista

> > > > > http://search. msn.com/results. aspx?q=windows+ vista & mkt=

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> > > > US & form=QBRE

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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November 12, 2007

My Dear Sreenadh,

I think , I may be wrong , you do not consider others view point ,but react, this is not the way to communicate.

Ive posed the problem, which was the civil calender prevalent in the days Lord RAMA AND Krishna.

Rama returned after 14 years on the appointed day. Mahabharta war was fought as at that time every body was trying to use his own calender as suited

individuals.

Forget what people say about LAL-KITAB, STUDY SOME GOOD TRANSLATION ,USE IT ,ONLY THEN YOU WILL KNOW ITS VALUE.Kindly try to learn

to benefit from the knowledge from whatever source it is available.

It is very easy to be critical monumental works, but very difficult to understand their value and more particularly their utility to masses.

I can answer you other queries , but I would like you to find out answers yourself.

regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Monday, 12 November, 2007 7:24:04 PM Re: days of the week (File uploaded )

Dear Goel ji,==>> Jyotish is also called 'ANKAN SHASTRA' WHAT DOES IT MEAN?<==I think - you should better answer your self. ==>> LAL KITAB APPROACH IS LIMITED , BUT WHATEVER IT SAYS COMES TRUE.<==I have a different opinion - but any way, that is not important. I have seen different people saying different things about Lal kitab, and it is also said that there are numerous inconsistent versions of the same text. ==>> ON THIS SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING BIRTH DETAILS OF LORD RAMA , BUT WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING THE civil CALENDER PREVALENT IN THOSE DAYS.<== I request you to elaborate about the CIVIL CALENDAR used in those days. But I have a doubt - which period you mean? Treta yuga or BC 2nd century? Regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr. Tood and other friends,> Jyotish is also called 'ANKAN SHASTRA'> WHAT DOES IT MEAN?> Let us CONSIDER Gregorian Calendar - What is the astronomical basis of starting the year from 1st January. But it is now coming in a well defined cyclic order.This is a civil calender and one does need the help of experts to construct the calender of subsequent years.> On account oe their occurrence in cyclic order, number one and subsequent numbers attains strength by its use. Persons born on 1st do have particular power by its continuous use . Similarly week days are in use and fall in cyclic order. This gives > them power. Lord Rama was born on 9th day and Lord Krishna was born on 8th day based on the CIVIL REPEAT CIVIL calender

prevalent in those days,(Five yuga system was prevalent in those days -which was adjusted after 19 solar years). As such Lord Rama and KRISHNA responded to the characteristics of numbers 9 and 8 respectively.> Similarly ascending house also responds to 1st Sign Aries along with rising sign.Some persons are well within their right to call 'ARUN SAMHITA ' as fake but it is based on this basic principle .'> LAL KITAB APPROACH IS LIMITED , BUT WHATEVER IT SAYS COMES TRUE.> ON THIS SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING BIRTH DETAILS OF LORD RAMA , BUT WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING THE civil CALENDER PREVALENT IN THOSE DAYS.> Regards,> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 4 November, 2007 3:36:12 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: days of the week (File uploaded )> > Dear Tood ji, Goel ji, Ravi ji, Arjun ji and all,> I have uploaded a document which presents my understanding about the> origin and concepts behind Week day lordship. You will find this> document in the files section of the group, inside the folder named> "Sreenadh". The file name is "Days of Week.doc". The url is given below: > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology Sreenadh/ Days%20of% \> 20Week.doc> Hope this helps.> Love,> Sreenadh> > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> <sreesog@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Goel ji,> > The basis you gave is truly acceptable. But the question (given > > below) raised by Todd ji was of a different perspective. Let us re-> > read the question. > > ==>> > > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact > > > Thursday? > > <==> > Of course today can be 'Thursday' (Guru Var = Jupiter's day) because > > the first Kalahora for today begins with the hora (hour) of Jupiter. > > But the question raised above is "WHY the first Kalahora should be of > > Jupiter at all - for today?". The following lines clarifies Todd ji's > > doubts -> > ==>> > > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle, but so >

> > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my > > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random, > > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can be > > > computed definitively. > > <== > > The following logic stated by you, could be one of the reasons. > > ==>> > > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent when > > > viewed from the Earth. Slowest Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun , Venus, > > > Mercury and fastest Moon.> > > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of Venus ,followed> > > by Mercury,NOON, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order of > > > the cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.> > > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this order.The 25th > >

> Hora will be of Saturn, thus the next day will be called Saturday,> > > and so on. THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN > > PERPETUAL MANNER.> > <==> > But is that all? Could there be other possible reasons - some thing > > that links the weeks days with some NATURAL RHYTHM, (Apart from > > the 'closed circle' you mentioned) making 'Jupiter' the ONLY possible > > owner of the first hora of Thursday? There could be. One such idea is > > the correlation with breath patter which Chadra Hari provides. There > > could be other logical possibilities as well.. > > It was this second question of Todd ji with a different perspective > > I was addressing; the first question 'What is the logic behind week > > day names?' you have answered perfectly - and acceptable to all of > > us,

certainly me.> > Love,> > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel > > <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > The basis of caluclating week days was given in my previous mail . > > Is > > > thas is not acceptable? Please clarify:> > > > > > "In ancient times the days were fixed after the names of the seven > > > planets.> > > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent when > > viewed> > > from the Earth.> > > Slowest Saturn,Jupiter, Mars, Sun , Venus, Mercury and fastest Moon.> > > The day and night is divided in 24 parts, and each part is > > > called "HORA"> > > The name of the day is kept on the basis of the lord of the first

> > > Hora of the day.> > > The lord of the Horas according to the order of the planets > > mentioned > > > above.> > > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of Venus ,followed > > by > > > Mercury,NOON, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order of the > > > cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.> > > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this order.The 25th > > > Hora will be> > > of Saturn, thus the next day will be called Saturday,> > > and so on.> > > THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN PERPETUAL MANNER.> > > Varaha Mihira in Chapter 12 Sloka 31 of 'SURYA SIDDHANT' refers to > > > this order of planetary arrangement. "> > > Regards,> > > Gopal Goel > > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Todd ji and Ravi ji,> > > > ==>> > > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact > > > Thursday? > > > > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle, but > > so > > > > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my > > > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random, > > > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can be > > > > computed definitively. > > > > <==> > > > The week days ARE based on a natural cycle - some connects it > > to > > > > the cycle of planet names in the solar system, and

chandra hari > > > > connects it with the breath pattern. In essence, it is also an > > > > concept evolved from age old concept originated from "Etha > > pindande > > > > tatha Brahmande" (The universe and the atom are the similar or > > The > > > > solar system and human body are similar).> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "A. Ravindran > > > Nair" > > > > <rain13@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is very difficult to identify the day. Thithis can be > > > > somewhat identified by looking at the size of the Moon and the > > >

angle > > > > from Sun. But such a marking is not possible for Sun. Hope we > > > will > > > > have an answer some day.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Ravi Nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ : todd@: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 > > > > 09:26:26 -0700[ancient_indian_ astrology] re: days of the > > > week> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ravi,> > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your comments. What still puzzles me is HOW we > > > > decide which day of the week it is, not the order

- that I can > > can > > > > accept as per your explanation (thank you!). But what external > > > > evidences tell us that today is in fact Thursday? My thought > > was > > > > that it must be based on some natural cycle, but so far nobody > > has > > > > been able to specify this. It appears from my perspective that > > > > deciding that today is Thursday is a random, evolutionary > > process, > > > as > > > > opposed to being something that can be computed definitively. As > > I > > > > said, this would seem to be of great importance in certain > > remedial > > > > measures where the days of the week are concerned. > > > > > > > > > > best to all...> > > > > > > >

> Caldecott> > > > > todd@> > > > > www.toddcaldecott. com> > > > > > > > > > On 1-Nov-07, at 6:50 AM, > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > wrote:> > > > > The concept as I understand is:> > > > > > > > > > There are 24 horas (hrs) in a day. The horas started from Sun > > as > > > HE > > > > is the supreme energy giver and creator of universe, so to > > identify > > > > this day it has been named as Sun's day (Sunday). The 2nd hora on > > > > Sunday is of the 6th planet (i.e., from Sun the 6th planet in the > > > > order is Venus), and the next hora is again the 6th planet from > > it > > > > i.e., Mercury, the next 6th planet

will be Moon etc. In this > > order > > > > the last 24th hora on Sunday will be of Mercury and the day is > > > deemed > > > > to be completed as the earth completed one 360 deg turn and the > > > > starting point again appeared in front of Sun signifying start of > > > > another day. Automatically the first hora of the next day will be > > > of > > > > the 6th planet from the last hora of Mercury i.e., Moon and it is > > > > Moon's day (Monday). The subsequent order of Sunday, Monday, > > > Tuesday, > > > > Wednesday,Thursday, Friday and Saturday exactly clicks in this > > > format.> > > > > > > > > > In this order on Saturday the last hora will be of Tuesday and > > > > automatically the hora of the

6th planet from it will be of Sun, > > > > hence it is Sun's day (Sunday) and again the next week start from > > > > Sunday and in order to avoid identity duplication, the concept of > > > > WEEK came into existence to differenciate between different > > > > repetition days. So is the concept of Months, Year, yuga etc. So > > > from > > > > the 7th day instead of jumping to the 8th day it repeated from 1 > > > > again from Sun and the subsequent cycle followed.> > > > > > > > > > The names of the days earlier clearly represented the 7 planets > > > > different names in Sanskrit which got evolutionalised to todays > > > > modern names Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, > > Friday, > > > > Saturday etc. The names of

months Medam, Edavam etc. earlier > > seems > > > to > > > > be a clear representation of the climatic condition prevailing > > then > > > > throughout the year. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Ravi Nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > > > > Discover the new Windows Vista> > > > > http://search. msn.com/results.

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November 12, 2007

Dear Goal ji,

==>

> I think , I may be wrong , you do not consider others view

> point ,but react

<==

Actually you are correct to an extend - and I will try correcting

myself. Thanks for the advice.

I always appreciate knowledge, and humbleness - but I don't know -

I seem to have an inbuilt hatred for self proclaimed gurus. At times

I felt that it is there in my blood. Any way I will try to correct my

self.

==>

> Ive posed the problem, which was the civil calender prevalent in

> the days Lord RAMA AND Krishna.

<==

Dear Goal ji, Yes I understand the importance of this question. But

I think we are discussing subjects like " Astrology in Valmiki

Ramayana " ; " Astrology in Puranas " etc to answer this question as

well! Anyway - but I have always felt that - it it the individual

effort and contributions (for example take Kaul ji) that matters than

discussions in groups. My belief is that - individual study and

effort should happen and the groups are just to share them in between

and to get a brief clarification for major doubts.

==>

> Forget what people say about LAL-KITAB, STUDY SOME GOOD

> TRANSLATION ,USE IT ,ONLY THEN YOU WILL KNOW ITS VALUE.

<==

Yes, I will try to learn Lal kitab, when I get the original text

with translation.

==>

> Kindly try to learn to benefit from the knowledge from whatever

> source it is available.

<==

Actually I am practicing it for long. Any way thanks for the advice.

==>

> It is very easy to be critical monumental works, but very difficult

> to understand their value and more particularly their utility to

> masses.

<==

Yah, I know - but criticism at times becomes necessary to bring out

valuable material, and to know the strengths and weakness of each

stands. Actually it is part of testing the perspectives.

==>

> I can answer you other queries , but I would like you to find out

> answers yourself.

<==

Great! I don't think you have answered any of my queries; because I

haven't asked many! There was only one query in my previous mail -

but you opted not to answer it. But any way, I have many queries

in stock, and I believe you would be kind enough to answer some of

them.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> My Dear Sreenadh,

> I think , I may be wrong , you do not consider others view

point ,but react, this is not the way to communicate.

> Ive posed the problem, which was the civil calender prevalent in

the days Lord RAMA AND Krishna.

> Rama returned after 14 years on the appointed day. Mahabharta war

was fought as at that time every body was trying to use his own

calender as suited

> individuals.

> Forget what people say about LAL-KITAB, STUDY SOME GOOD

TRANSLATION ,USE IT ,ONLY THEN YOU WILL KNOW ITS VALUE.Kindly try to

learn

> to benefit from the knowledge from whatever source it is available.

> It is very easy to be critical monumental works, but very difficult

to understand their value and more particularly their utility to

masses.

> I can answer you other queries , but I would like you to find out

answers yourself.

> regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog

>

> Monday, 12 November, 2007 7:24:04 PM

> Re: days of the week (File

uploaded )

>

> Dear Goel ji,

> ==>

> > Jyotish is also called 'ANKAN SHASTRA' WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

> <==

> I think - you should better answer your self.

> ==>

> > LAL KITAB APPROACH IS LIMITED , BUT WHATEVER IT SAYS COMES TRUE.

> <==

> I have a different opinion - but any way, that is not important. I

> have seen different people saying different things about Lal kitab,

> and it is also said that there are numerous inconsistent versions

of

> the same text.

> ==>

> > ON THIS SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING BIRTH DETAILS OF LORD RAMA , BUT

> WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING THE civil CALENDER PREVALENT IN THOSE

> DAYS.

> <==

> I request you to elaborate about the CIVIL CALENDAR used in those

> days. But I have a doubt - which period you mean? Treta yuga or BC

> 2nd century?

> Regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Tood and other friends,

> > Jyotish is also called 'ANKAN SHASTRA'

> > WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

> > Let us CONSIDER Gregorian Calendar - What is the astronomical

basis

> of starting the year from 1st January. But it is now coming in a

> well defined cyclic order.This is a civil calender and one does

need

> the help of experts to construct the calender of subsequent years.

> > On account oe their occurrence in cyclic order, number one and

> subsequent numbers attains strength by its use. Persons born on 1st

> do have particular power by its continuous use . Similarly week

days

> are in use and fall in cyclic order. This gives

> > them power. Lord Rama was born on 9th day and Lord Krishna was

> born on 8th day based on the CIVIL REPEAT CIVIL calender prevalent

> in those days,(Five yuga system was prevalent in those days -which

> was adjusted after 19 solar years). As such Lord Rama and KRISHNA

> responded to the characteristics of numbers 9 and 8 respectively.

> > Similarly ascending house also responds to 1st Sign Aries along

> with rising sign.Some persons are well within their right to

> call 'ARUN SAMHITA ' as fake but it is based on this basic

> principle .'

> > LAL KITAB APPROACH IS LIMITED , BUT WHATEVER IT SAYS COMES TRUE.

> > ON THIS SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING BIRTH DETAILS OF LORD RAMA , BUT

> WITHOUT FIRST UNDERSTANDING THE civil CALENDER PREVALENT IN THOSE

> DAYS.

> > Regards,

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, 4 November, 2007 3:36:12 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: days of the week (File

> uploaded )

> >

> > Dear Tood ji, Goel ji, Ravi ji, Arjun ji and all,

> > I have uploaded a document which presents my understanding about

the

> > origin and concepts behind Week day lordship. You will find this

> > document in the files section of the group, inside the folder

named

> > " Sreenadh " . The file name is " Days of Week.doc " . The url is given

> below:

> > http://groups. / group/ancient_

> indian_astrology Sreenadh/ Days%20of% \

> > 20Week.doc

> > Hope this helps.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > The basis you gave is truly acceptable. But the question (given

> > > below) raised by Todd ji was of a different perspective. Let us

> re-

> > > read the question.

> > > ==>

> > > > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact

> > > > Thursday?

> > > <==

> > > Of course today can be 'Thursday' (Guru Var = Jupiter's day)

> because

> > > the first Kalahora for today begins with the hora (hour) of

> Jupiter.

> > > But the question raised above is " WHY the first Kalahora should

> be of

> > > Jupiter at all - for today? " . The following lines clarifies> ji's

> > > doubts -

> > > ==>

> > > > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle,

but

> so

> > > > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from my

> > > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a random,

> > > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that can

be

> > > > computed definitively.

> > > <==

> > > The following logic stated by you, could be one of the reasons.

> > > ==>

> > > > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent

when

> > > > viewed from the Earth. Slowest Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun ,

> Venus,

> > > > Mercury and fastest Moon.

> > > > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of

> Venus ,followed

> > > > by Mercury,NOON, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the

order

> of

> > > > the cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.

> > > > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this

order.The

> 25th

> > > > Hora will be of Saturn, thus the next day will be called

> Saturday,

> > > > and so on. THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN

> > > PERPETUAL MANNER.

> > > <==

> > > But is that all? Could there be other possible reasons - some

> thing

> > > that links the weeks days with some NATURAL RHYTHM, (Apart from

> > > the 'closed circle' you mentioned) making 'Jupiter' the ONLY

> possible

> > > owner of the first hora of Thursday? There could be. One such

> idea is

> > > the correlation with breath patter which Chadra Hari provides.

> There

> > > could be other logical possibilities as well..

> > > It was this second question of Todd ji with a different

> perspective

> > > I was addressing; the first question 'What is the logic behind

> week

> > > day names?' you have answered perfectly - and acceptable to all

> of

> > > us, certainly me.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > The basis of caluclating week days was given in my previous

> mail .

> > > Is

> > > > thas is not acceptable? Please clarify:

> > > >

> > > > " In ancient times the days were fixed after the names of the

> seven

> > > > planets.

> > > > Arrange the planets according to their motion as apparent

when

> > > viewed

> > > > from the Earth.

> > > > Slowest Saturn,Jupiter, Mars, Sun , Venus, Mercury and

fastest

> Moon.

> > > > The day and night is divided in 24 parts, and each part is

> > > > called " HORA "

> > > > The name of the day is kept on the basis of the lord of the

> first

> > > > Hora of the day.

> > > > The lord of the Horas according to the order of the planets

> > > mentioned

> > > > above.

> > > > Let us start from Friday.The first Hora will be of

> Venus ,followed

> > > by

> > > > Mercury,NOON, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, SUN and then the order

of

> the

> > > > cycle will go on repeating on perpetual basis.

> > > > In THIS Manner , 24 horas will repeat following this

order.The

> 25th

> > > > Hora will be

> > > > of Saturn, thus the next day will be called Saturday,

> > > > and so on.

> > > > THIS IS A CLOSE CYCLE , WHICH GO ON REPEATING IN PERPETUAL

> MANNER.

> > > > Varaha Mihira in Chapter 12 Sloka 31 of 'SURYA SIDDHANT'

refers

> to

> > > > this order of planetary arrangement. "

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Gopal Goel

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com, " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Todd ji and Ravi ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > But what external evidences tell us that today is in fact

> > > > Thursday?

> > > > > My thought was that it must be based on some natural cycle,

> but

> > > so

> > > > > far nobody has been able to specify this. It appears from

my

> > > > > perspective that deciding that today is Thursday is a

random,

> > > > > evolutionary process, as opposed to being something that

can

> be

> > > > > computed definitively.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > The week days ARE based on a natural cycle - some connects

it

> > > to

> > > > > the cycle of planet names in the solar system, and chandra

> hari

> > > > > connects it with the breath pattern. In essence, it is also

> an

> > > > > concept evolved from age old concept originated from " Etha

> > > pindande

> > > > > tatha Brahmande " (The universe and the atom are the similar

> or

> > > The

> > > > > solar system and human body are similar).

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " A.

> Ravindran

> > > > Nair "

> > > > > <rain13@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, it is very difficult to identify the day. Thithis

can

> be

> > > > > somewhat identified by looking at the size of the Moon and

> the

> > > > angle

> > > > > from Sun. But such a marking is not possible for Sun. Hope

we

> > > > will

> > > > > have an answer some day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ravi Nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ : todd@: Thu, 1 Nov 2007

> > > > > 09:26:26 -0700[ancient_indian_ astrology] re: days

> of the

> > > > week

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Ravi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks for your comments. What still puzzles me is

HOW

> we

> > > > > decide which day of the week it is, not the order - that I

> can

> > > can

> > > > > accept as per your explanation (thank you!). But what

> external

> > > > > evidences tell us that today is in fact Thursday? My

thought

> > > was

> > > > > that it must be based on some natural cycle, but so far

> nobody

> > > has

> > > > > been able to specify this. It appears from my perspective

> that

> > > > > deciding that today is Thursday is a random, evolutionary

> > > process,

> > > > as

> > > > > opposed to being something that can be computed

definitively.

> As

> > > I

> > > > > said, this would seem to be of great importance in certain

> > > remedial

> > > > > measures where the days of the week are concerned.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best to all...

> > > > > >

> > > > > Caldecott

> > > > > > todd@

> > > > > > www.toddcaldecott. com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1-Nov-07, at 6:50 AM,

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > The concept as I understand is:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are 24 horas (hrs) in a day. The horas started from

> Sun

> > > as

> > > > HE

> > > > > is the supreme energy giver and creator of universe, so to

> > > identify

> > > > > this day it has been named as Sun's day (Sunday). The 2nd

> hora on

> > > > > Sunday is of the 6th planet (i.e., from Sun the 6th planet

in

> the

> > > > > order is Venus), and the next hora is again the 6th planet

> from

> > > it

> > > > > i.e., Mercury, the next 6th planet will be Moon etc. In

this

> > > order

> > > > > the last 24th hora on Sunday will be of Mercury and the day

> is

> > > > deemed

> > > > > to be completed as the earth completed one 360 deg turn and

> the

> > > > > starting point again appeared in front of Sun signifying

> start of

> > > > > another day. Automatically the first hora of the next day

> will be

> > > > of

> > > > > the 6th planet from the last hora of Mercury i.e., Moon and

> it is

> > > > > Moon's day (Monday). The subsequent order of Sunday,

Monday,

> > > > Tuesday,

> > > > > Wednesday,Thursday, Friday and Saturday exactly clicks in

> this

> > > > format.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this order on Saturday the last hora will be of

Tuesday

> and

> > > > > automatically the hora of the 6th planet from it will be of

> Sun,

> > > > > hence it is Sun's day (Sunday) and again the next week

start

> from

> > > > > Sunday and in order to avoid identity duplication, the

> concept of

> > > > > WEEK came into existence to differenciate between different

> > > > > repetition days. So is the concept of Months, Year, yuga

etc.

> So

> > > > from

> > > > > the 7th day instead of jumping to the 8th day it repeated

> from 1

> > > > > again from Sun and the subsequent cycle followed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The names of the days earlier clearly represented the 7

> planets

> > > > > different names in Sanskrit which got evolutionalised to

> todays

> > > > > modern names Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

> > > Friday,

> > > > > Saturday etc. The names of months Medam, Edavam etc.

earlier

> > > seems

> > > > to

> > > > > be a clear representation of the climatic condition

> prevailing

> > > then

> > > > > throughout the year.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ravi Nair

> > > > > >

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