Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Hello all, Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then. Almost every raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human emotions. For example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, the ragas should have an astrological interpretation, as well. Bhairavi, in which many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related with the harsh stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the like. Venus, Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen relation with Bhairavi, I believe. Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni should have relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well. Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask me - but I am not already quite clear what this should be in reality, I have, instead, a hazy idea - of my own, rather. Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is very grave, and has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts apparitions. It should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for its intrinsic graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well relate to Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a whole 24hours. It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie environment created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen resemblance with this raga, I believe. But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this. Regards, Saurav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Dear Saurav ji, There is an ancient concept present in the idea you presented. The Raagas - why limit to raagas - all the hindu knowledge branches are mutually related. Music is no exception to that. I remember seeming some good articles and quotes regarding the same as well - ya, in some book dealing with Karnatic Music. Thanks for the informative mail. if you can elaborate the same, it could be much helpful. Love, Sreenadh , Saurav <saurav1b wrote: > > Hello all, > > Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then. Almost every > raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human emotions. For > example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, the ragas > should have an astrological interpretation, as well. Bhairavi, in which > many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related with the harsh > stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the like. Venus, > Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen relation with > Bhairavi, I believe. > > Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni should have > relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well. > > Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask me - but I am > not already quite clear what this should be in reality, I have, instead, > a hazy idea - of my own, rather. > > Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is very grave, and > has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts apparitions. It > should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for its intrinsic > graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well relate to > Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a whole 24hours. > It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie environment > created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen resemblance with this > raga, I believe. > > But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this. > > Regards, > Saurav > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Dear saurav , U invited a good discussion on ragas . But i hav a differrence here with u ,u r mixing the cock tail of all planets including rahu,ketu and extra saturnian planets . Pls think there is only 7 basic notes ,sa ,re,ga,ma,pa,tha,ni ,sa,and all ragas are a mix of this notesor we can say permutation and combination of this notes(whether in carnatic or hindustani --only classical music in world) its controlled by 7 basic planets and we can say in spiritual aspects 7 chakras .My problem is i hav to search for my notes as this kind of info is not very much useful in daily analaysis of chart .If i could locate it ,i will defenitely come out with that. And the rasi s generaly counted is first 7 houses from nativ chart or kala purusha chart as rest of the body parts we never use it for singing .each note is coming from purticular area of body .and balance 7 houses is supporting for other houses . Now this much ,if i happen to stumble upon my notes i will defenitely come out with that or some learned memebers can illuminate us. regrds vijayaraghavan Guruvayur . , Saurav <saurav1b wrote:>> Hello all,> > Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then. Almost every> raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human emotions. For> example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, the ragas> should have an astrological interpretation, as well. Bhairavi, in which> many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related with the harsh> stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the like. Venus,> Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen relation with> Bhairavi, I believe.> > Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni should have> relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well.> > Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask me - but I am> not already quite clear what this should be in reality, I have, instead,> a hazy idea - of my own, rather.> > Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is very grave, and> has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts apparitions. It> should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for its intrinsic> graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well relate to> Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a whole 24hours.> It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie environment> created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen resemblance with this> raga, I believe.> > But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this. > > Regards,> Saurav> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 This is definitely an interesting subject to ponder upon. This opens up a new dimension. I don't know much about this. But, I came across the following link that gives some related information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navagraha_Kritis Hope this helps. Regards, Krishna --- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > Dear saurav , > > > > U invited a good discussion on ragas . > > But i hav a differrence here with u ,u r mixing the cock tail > of all > planets including rahu,ketu and extra saturnian planets . > > Pls think there is only 7 basic notes ,sa > ,re,ga,ma,pa,tha,ni ,sa,and > all ragas are a mix of this notesor we can say permutation and > combination of this notes(whether in carnatic or hindustani > --only > classical music in world) its controlled by 7 basic planets > and we can > say in spiritual aspects 7 chakras .My problem is i hav to > search for my > notes as this kind of info is not very much useful in daily > analaysis of > chart .If i could locate it ,i will defenitely come out with > that. > > And the rasi s generaly counted is first 7 houses from nativ > chart or > kala purusha chart as rest of the body parts we never use it > for singing > .each note is coming from purticular area of body .and balance > 7 houses > is supporting for other houses . > > Now this much ,if i happen to stumble upon my notes i will > defenitely > come out with that or some learned memebers can illuminate > us. > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan Guruvayur . , Saurav > <saurav1b > wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then. > Almost every > > raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human > emotions. For > > example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, the > ragas > > should have an astrological interpretation, as well. > Bhairavi, in > which > > many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related with > the harsh > > stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the like. > Venus, > > Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen relation > with > > Bhairavi, I believe. > > > > Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni should > have > > relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well. > > > > Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask me > - but I am > > not already quite clear what this should be in reality, I > have, > instead, > > a hazy idea - of my own, rather. > > > > Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is very > grave, and > > has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts > apparitions. It > > should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for its > intrinsic > > graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well > relate to > > Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a > whole > 24hours. > > It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie > environment > > created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen resemblance > with this > > raga, I believe. > > > > But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this. > > > > Regards, > > Saurav > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Interesting. Does anyone know what text assigns the seed syllables for each graha and bhava comes from? In the west Pythagoras and later Kepler proposed numerological and vibrations significance to the planets. The Music of the Spheres. http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/spheres.htm also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning The Seers must have written about these things also. I can only wonder what it would have been like to discover these sounds through internal meditation. Finding the way home to the original source of sound itself. Sound is said to organize structure. We also know that sound can destroy structure. Did the Rishi's transmit this knowledge through any written texts? Could the residues of karma be harmonized by voicing these sounds both externally and internally? Peace and Joy,Nick ScottOn Nov 3, 2007, at 6:05 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:This is definitely an interesting subject to ponder upon. Thisopens up a new dimension. I don't know much about this. But, Icame across the following link that gives some relatedinformation:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navagraha_KritisHope this helps.Regards,Krishna--- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 > wrote:> > Dear saurav ,> > > > U invited a good discussion on ragas .> > But i hav a differrence here with u ,u r mixing the cock tail> of all> planets including rahu,ketu and extra saturnian planets .> > Pls think there is only 7 basic notes ,sa> ,re,ga,ma,pa,tha,ni ,sa,and> all ragas are a mix of this notesor we can say permutation and> combination of this notes(whether in carnatic or hindustani> --only> classical music in world) its controlled by 7 basic planets> and we can> say in spiritual aspects 7 chakras .My problem is i hav to> search for my> notes as this kind of info is not very much useful in daily> analaysis of> chart .If i could locate it ,i will defenitely come out with> that.> > And the rasi s generaly counted is first 7 houses from nativ> chart or> kala purusha chart as rest of the body parts we never use it> for singing> .each note is coming from purticular area of body .and balance> 7 houses> is supporting for other houses .> > Now this much ,if i happen to stumble upon my notes i will> defenitely> come out with that or some learned memebers can illuminate> us.> > > > regrds vijayaraghavan Guruvayur .> > > > > > > --- In , Saurav> <saurav1b> wrote:> >> > Hello all,> >> > Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then.> Almost every> > raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human> emotions. For> > example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, the> ragas> > should have an astrological interpretation, as well.> Bhairavi, in> which> > many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related with> the harsh> > stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the like.> Venus,> > Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen relation> with> > Bhairavi, I believe.> >> > Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni should> have> > relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well.> >> > Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask me> - but I am> > not already quite clear what this should be in reality, I> have,> instead,> > a hazy idea - of my own, rather.> >> > Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is very> grave, and> > has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts> apparitions. It> > should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for its> intrinsic> > graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well> relate to> > Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a> whole> 24hours.> > It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie> environment> > created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen resemblance> with this> > raga, I believe.> >> > But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this.> >> > Regards,> > Saurav> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Dear Saurav ji, Raghav ji, Krishnan ji, Thanks to Saurav ji and Raghav ji for opening a new dimension of thought. Krishna ji the Navagraha Keertans are songs to praise or worship the Navagrahas. I remember seeing a book - " Dakshnendian Sangeetam " (South Indian Music) - which deals with this subject somewhere in it. Since my knowledge about Music is a big zero, then I didn't collected or preserved that info. But possibly we can accumulate much info and much reference if we make a minor search (not in net, but direct communication with good old scholars of music - since I am now in delhi I don't have those connections with friends with good knowledge in south Indian classical music and if I was in Kerala getting the reference would have been so easy). Note: If Madhu ji is reading this mail, I request him to provide more info regarding this, since the related reference would be easily available to him, there in Kerala. Love, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > This is definitely an interesting subject to ponder upon. This > opens up a new dimension. I don't know much about this. But, I > came across the following link that gives some related > information: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navagraha_Kritis > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > > > Dear saurav , > > > > > > > > U invited a good discussion on ragas . > > > > But i hav a differrence here with u ,u r mixing the cock tail > > of all > > planets including rahu,ketu and extra saturnian planets . > > > > Pls think there is only 7 basic notes ,sa > > ,re,ga,ma,pa,tha,ni ,sa,and > > all ragas are a mix of this notesor we can say permutation and > > combination of this notes(whether in carnatic or hindustani > > --only > > classical music in world) its controlled by 7 basic planets > > and we can > > say in spiritual aspects 7 chakras .My problem is i hav to > > search for my > > notes as this kind of info is not very much useful in daily > > analaysis of > > chart .If i could locate it ,i will defenitely come out with > > that. > > > > And the rasi s generaly counted is first 7 houses from nativ > > chart or > > kala purusha chart as rest of the body parts we never use it > > for singing > > .each note is coming from purticular area of body .and balance > > 7 houses > > is supporting for other houses . > > > > Now this much ,if i happen to stumble upon my notes i will > > defenitely > > come out with that or some learned memebers can illuminate > > us. > > > > > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan Guruvayur . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Saurav > > <saurav1b@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then. > > Almost every > > > raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human > > emotions. For > > > example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, the > > ragas > > > should have an astrological interpretation, as well. > > Bhairavi, in > > which > > > many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related with > > the harsh > > > stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the like. > > Venus, > > > Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen relation > > with > > > Bhairavi, I believe. > > > > > > Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni should > > have > > > relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well. > > > > > > Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask me > > - but I am > > > not already quite clear what this should be in reality, I > > have, > > instead, > > > a hazy idea - of my own, rather. > > > > > > Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is very > > grave, and > > > has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts > > apparitions. It > > > should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for its > > intrinsic > > > graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well > > relate to > > > Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a > > whole > > 24hours. > > > It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie > > environment > > > created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen resemblance > > with this > > > raga, I believe. > > > > > > But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Saurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Sreenadh ji, Though the Keertanas are songs of praise, what one should look at is the choice of Raga and Tala for each graha. I guessed the author must have some specific reason to choose a specific Raga and Tala for each graha. People who understand music could throw some light on this. Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Saurav ji, Raghav ji, Krishnan ji, > Thanks to Saurav ji and Raghav ji for opening a new > dimension of > thought. > Krishna ji the Navagraha Keertans are songs to praise or > worship the > Navagrahas. I remember seeing a book - " Dakshnendian > Sangeetam " (South > Indian Music) - which deals with this subject somewhere in it. > Since > my knowledge about Music is a big zero, then I didn't > collected or > preserved that info. But possibly we can accumulate much info > and much > reference if we make a minor search (not in net, but direct > communication with good old scholars of music - since I am now > in > delhi I don't have those connections with friends with good > knowledge > in south Indian classical music and if I was in Kerala getting > the > reference would have been so easy). > Note: If Madhu ji is reading this mail, I request him to > provide > more info regarding this, since the related reference would be > easily > available to him, there in Kerala. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > This is definitely an interesting subject to ponder upon. > This > > opens up a new dimension. I don't know much about this. But, > I > > came across the following link that gives some related > > information: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navagraha_Kritis > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear saurav , > > > > > > > > > > > > U invited a good discussion on ragas . > > > > > > But i hav a differrence here with u ,u r mixing the cock > tail > > > of all > > > planets including rahu,ketu and extra saturnian planets . > > > > > > Pls think there is only 7 basic notes ,sa > > > ,re,ga,ma,pa,tha,ni ,sa,and > > > all ragas are a mix of this notesor we can say permutation > and > > > combination of this notes(whether in carnatic or > hindustani > > > --only > > > classical music in world) its controlled by 7 basic > planets > > > and we can > > > say in spiritual aspects 7 chakras .My problem is i hav to > > > search for my > > > notes as this kind of info is not very much useful in > daily > > > analaysis of > > > chart .If i could locate it ,i will defenitely come out > with > > > that. > > > > > > And the rasi s generaly counted is first 7 houses from > nativ > > > chart or > > > kala purusha chart as rest of the body parts we never use > it > > > for singing > > > .each note is coming from purticular area of body .and > balance > > > 7 houses > > > is supporting for other houses . > > > > > > Now this much ,if i happen to stumble upon my notes i will > > > defenitely > > > come out with that or some learned memebers can > illuminate > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan Guruvayur . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Saurav > > > <saurav1b@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then. > > > Almost every > > > > raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human > > > emotions. For > > > > example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, > the > > > ragas > > > > should have an astrological interpretation, as well. > > > Bhairavi, in > > > which > > > > many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related > with > > > the harsh > > > > stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the > like. > > > Venus, > > > > Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen > relation > > > with > > > > Bhairavi, I believe. > > > > > > > > Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni > should > > > have > > > > relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well. > > > > > > > > Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask > me > > > - but I am > > > > not already quite clear what this should be in reality, > I > > > have, > > > instead, > > > > a hazy idea - of my own, rather. > > > > > > > > Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is > very > > > grave, and > > > > has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts > > > apparitions. It > > > > should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for > its > > > intrinsic > > > > graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well > > > relate to > > > > Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a > > > whole > > > 24hours. > > > > It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie > > > environment > > > > created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen > resemblance > > > with this > > > > raga, I believe. > > > > > > > > But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Saurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Vijayaraghavan, I appreciate your approach, yet would tell you something. A scientific approach would consider rather 12 notes (S,r,R,g,G,m,M,P,d,D,n,N) than 7 ones. The komal gandhar is neither sa nor ga. The komal notes are as fundamental as the suddhas; the madhyam and pancham imparting beautiful asymmetry. And the argument that the seven planets would correspond unmixingly to the seven notes does not probably make sense; the different qualities of emotion are quite complex and rather compound. You may find that there are 10 Thaats which represent the basic natures of raagas - the different ragas are even more complex. An example would be useful here: in natal chart, education is seen not from a particular house, but from 2,4,5 and 9, basically.Actually in practical field you examine not only 2,4,5,9 but also 10,11 and lagna. Like emotion, many things in life are quite complex and compound and I have myself examined the necessity of trans-saturnian planets, esp Neptune in explaining the deep emotional characters of some natives. The main raga that I would be pivoting around is Malkauns in which the suddha notes hardly appear: this raga has a trans-sensible quality and is believed by some to have supernatural qualities - this extra-perceptive quality of it makes me believe that there is some trans-personal planet that would more symbolise the raga. This is my own view, which is likely to be wrong. I am not expert. So I would like the experts comment on it and would request especially Vijayaraghavan to bring some Classical texts into the stage - he has immense erudition in the subject. Best regards, Saurav On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 10:06 +0000, lion_draco1983 wrote: > Dear saurav , > > > > U invited a good discussion on ragas . > > But i hav a differrence here with u ,u r mixing the cock tail of all > planets including rahu,ketu and extra saturnian planets . > > Pls think there is only 7 basic notes ,sa ,re,ga,ma,pa,tha,ni ,sa,and > all ragas are a mix of this notesor we can say permutation and > combination of this notes(whether in carnatic or hindustani --only > classical music in world) its controlled by 7 basic planets and we can > say in spiritual aspects 7 chakras .My problem is i hav to search for > my notes as this kind of info is not very much useful in daily > analaysis of chart .If i could locate it ,i will defenitely come out > with that. > > And the rasi s generaly counted is first 7 houses from nativ chart or > kala purusha chart as rest of the body parts we never use it for > singing .each note is coming from purticular area of body .and balance > 7 houses is supporting for other houses . > > Now this much ,if i happen to stumble upon my notes i will defenitely > come out with that or some learned memebers can illuminate us. > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan Guruvayur . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Sirs, You may find Muthuswamy kritis praising navagrahas, (karnataka classical music). Regards, D.RamakrishnanSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Saurav ji, Raghav ji, Krishnan ji,Thanks to Saurav ji and Raghav ji for opening a new dimension ofthought. Krishna ji the Navagraha Keertans are songs to praise or worship theNavagrahas. I remember seeing a book - "Dakshnendian Sangeetam" (SouthIndian Music) - which deals with this subject somewhere in it. Sincemy knowledge about Music is a big zero, then I didn't collected orpreserved that info. But possibly we can accumulate much info and muchreference if we make a minor search (not in net, but directcommunication with good old scholars of music - since I am now indelhi I don't have those connections with friends with good knowledgein south Indian classical music and if I was in Kerala getting thereference would have been so easy). Note: If Madhu ji is reading this mail, I request him to providemore info regarding this, since the related reference would be easilyavailable to him, there in Kerala. Love,Sreenadh , KrishnamurthySeetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> This is definitely an interesting subject to ponder upon. This> opens up a new dimension. I don't know much about this. But, I> came across the following link that gives some related> information:> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navagraha_Kritis> > Hope this helps.> > Regards,> Krishna> > --- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote:> > > > > Dear saurav ,> > > > > > > > U invited a good discussion on ragas .> > > > But i hav a differrence here with u ,u r mixing the cock tail> > of all> > planets including rahu,ketu and extra saturnian planets .> > > > Pls think there is only 7 basic notes ,sa> > ,re,ga,ma,pa,tha,ni ,sa,and> > all ragas are a mix of this notesor we can say permutation and> > combination of this notes(whether in carnatic or hindustani> > --only> > classical music in world) its controlled by 7 basic planets> > and we can> > say in spiritual aspects 7 chakras .My problem is i hav to> > search for my> > notes as this kind of info is not very much useful in daily> > analaysis of> > chart .If i could locate it ,i will defenitely come out with> > that.> > > > And the rasi s generaly counted is first 7 houses from nativ> > chart or> > kala purusha chart as rest of the body parts we never use it> > for singing> > .each note is coming from purticular area of body .and balance> > 7 houses> > is supporting for other houses .> > > > Now this much ,if i happen to stumble upon my notes i will> > defenitely> > come out with that or some learned memebers can illuminate> > us.> > > > > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan Guruvayur .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Saurav> > <saurav1b@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Hello all,> > >> > > Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then.> > Almost every> > > raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human> > emotions. For> > > example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, the> > ragas> > > should have an astrological interpretation, as well.> > Bhairavi, in> > which> > > many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related with> > the harsh> > > stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the like.> > Venus,> > > Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen relation> > with> > > Bhairavi, I believe.> > >> > > Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni should> > have> > > relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well.> > >> > > Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask me> > - but I am> > > not already quite clear what this should be in reality, I> > have,> > instead,> > > a hazy idea - of my own, rather.> > >> > > Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is very> > grave, and> > > has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts> > apparitions. It> > > should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for its> > intrinsic> > > graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well> > relate to> > > Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a> > whole> > 24hours.> > > It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie> > environment> > > created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen resemblance> > with this> > > raga, I believe.> > >> > > But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Saurav> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, Yes you are right - and I agree. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > Though the Keertanas are songs of praise, what one should look > at is the choice of Raga and Tala for each graha. I guessed the > author must have some specific reason to choose a specific Raga > and Tala for each graha. People who understand music could throw > some light on this. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Saurav ji, Raghav ji, Krishnan ji, > > Thanks to Saurav ji and Raghav ji for opening a new > > dimension of > > thought. > > Krishna ji the Navagraha Keertans are songs to praise or > > worship the > > Navagrahas. I remember seeing a book - " Dakshnendian > > Sangeetam " (South > > Indian Music) - which deals with this subject somewhere in it. > > Since > > my knowledge about Music is a big zero, then I didn't > > collected or > > preserved that info. But possibly we can accumulate much info > > and much > > reference if we make a minor search (not in net, but direct > > communication with good old scholars of music - since I am now > > in > > delhi I don't have those connections with friends with good > > knowledge > > in south Indian classical music and if I was in Kerala getting > > the > > reference would have been so easy). > > Note: If Madhu ji is reading this mail, I request him to > > provide > > more info regarding this, since the related reference would be > > easily > > available to him, there in Kerala. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > This is definitely an interesting subject to ponder upon. > > This > > > opens up a new dimension. I don't know much about this. But, > > I > > > came across the following link that gives some related > > > information: > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navagraha_Kritis > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear saurav , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U invited a good discussion on ragas . > > > > > > > > But i hav a differrence here with u ,u r mixing the cock > > tail > > > > of all > > > > planets including rahu,ketu and extra saturnian planets . > > > > > > > > Pls think there is only 7 basic notes ,sa > > > > ,re,ga,ma,pa,tha,ni ,sa,and > > > > all ragas are a mix of this notesor we can say permutation > > and > > > > combination of this notes(whether in carnatic or > > hindustani > > > > --only > > > > classical music in world) its controlled by 7 basic > > planets > > > > and we can > > > > say in spiritual aspects 7 chakras .My problem is i hav to > > > > search for my > > > > notes as this kind of info is not very much useful in > > daily > > > > analaysis of > > > > chart .If i could locate it ,i will defenitely come out > > with > > > > that. > > > > > > > > And the rasi s generaly counted is first 7 houses from > > nativ > > > > chart or > > > > kala purusha chart as rest of the body parts we never use > > it > > > > for singing > > > > .each note is coming from purticular area of body .and > > balance > > > > 7 houses > > > > is supporting for other houses . > > > > > > > > Now this much ,if i happen to stumble upon my notes i will > > > > defenitely > > > > come out with that or some learned memebers can > > illuminate > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan Guruvayur . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Saurav > > > > <saurav1b@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain the idea that stirs my mind now and then. > > > > Almost every > > > > > raga has some intrinsic style and resemblance to human > > > > emotions. For > > > > > example, Zilla Kafi relates to romantic pathos. In this, > > the > > > > ragas > > > > > should have an astrological interpretation, as well. > > > > Bhairavi, in > > > > which > > > > > many Shyama sangeets are composed, should be related > > with > > > > the harsh > > > > > stuffs like Bharani Nakshatra, Vrischik Rashi, and the > > like. > > > > Venus, > > > > > Rahu, Mars and Bharani Nakshatra should have a keen > > relation > > > > with > > > > > Bhairavi, I believe. > > > > > > > > > > Bihag is very much sublimely Venusian - Purbaphalguni > > should > > > > have > > > > > relation with it, and the sign Taurus would as well. > > > > > > > > > > Is there a study on this idea? If not clear, you may ask > > me > > > > - but I am > > > > > not already quite clear what this should be in reality, > > I > > > > have, > > > > instead, > > > > > a hazy idea - of my own, rather. > > > > > > > > > > Malkauns, in which out of the 5 notes 3 are komal, is > > very > > > > grave, and > > > > > has an occult touch, some people say that it attracts > > > > apparitions. It > > > > > should relate to Vrischik rashi, ketu, Neptune, and for > > its > > > > intrinsic > > > > > graveness unexpected in female rashis, it should as well > > > > relate to > > > > > Saturn. Malkauns is sung in midnight, the last part of a > > > > whole > > > > 24hours. > > > > > It has a feeling of loneliness, which adds to the eerie > > > > environment > > > > > created by the raga. Saturn should have a keen > > resemblance > > > > with this > > > > > raga, I believe. > > > > > > > > > > But I also need your erudite comments and ideas in this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Saurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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