Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Dear Shri Pradeep, Well said. As of fight and nofight - the question itself is irrelevant - because there is no enemy - and it (this group) is a place for learning and sharing. Let us kick the ass of anyone who violates this and throw him outside and the learning continues. ) To take an action as and when required it is not at all necessary that we should get angry or start 'fighting' - the word 'fight' pre-supposes an equivalent or better 'enemy'. If there is no 'enemy' (even those who speak against me or the group are not at all our enemies and not even the people we may ban due to bad behavior) what 'fight' is possible at all! This is a place to argue (but not demand a response) as much as one want and share their knowledge in support of the arguments, and long as they are not violating the rule of mutual respect and abide by the rules of decent social interaction. If this freedom of view can cause problems - let it be- it is just simple fun. For example, if a thousand people compliments about this to and if discontinues the group - let it be - who is bothered?!! Life is so simple - and everything is welcome - that what I feel. But I love your views, and respect them. Contributions are usually not social but individualistic; but you know controversies are social - and most of the time simply useless and irrelevant! ==> > Let us learn astrology as before. <== Yes, that is what we are doing. I always do my amount of work by providing the new threads and pdfs in time (means as earliest as I can - as per the free time I get). There is a 1000+ members in this group - if at least 20+ start taking the same pain in providing valid information, our group must be be at least 10 times better than what it is now - but it does not happens always. India never had scarcity of talent, but was always short of willingness to do hard work. It is effort that matters, may be even more than knowledge, at times! It is unusual to expect - but true! Look at the state of astrology - there was thousands of people better than us, and still is in india, in the field of astrology. But when it comes to this re-structuring why we (some handful of people) have to do it? Because very few of them are ready to take effort - yes, truly it matters! Just sharing some thoughts that flew here and there. Note: You see, usually i am not fit for a group, and don't want to lead some followers. That is why I love the other moderators moderating the group (some of them even prefer to remain anonymous - to avoid the irrelevant controversies). Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > True.For the same reason i had mentioned that everyone can interpret > the horse as they prefer. > The destination is important.If someone is yet to understand the > presence of HIM in every being -living and non living,they are yet > to start their journey - however high they consider thmeselves to be. > > To avoid controversies it may be better not to dig deep into > history.History is History.We can learn a lot from history no > doubt ,but reacting w.r to history will lead to unnecessary clashes > and disharmony.There might be some who considers this as > cowardice.Let them do so.It needs no courage to fight - any fool can > initiate a fight.It demands great strength and courage to keep away. > > Let us learn astrology as before. > > Regds > Pradeep > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Pradep, > > Valmiki Ramayana is a treasure house of information - both > positive > > and negative. When we search sincerely it is just natural we may > find > > both of them and feel like telling them to the fellow learners > with > > clarity. > > Ours is a " moderated private group " - and so such discussions > > between the learners shouldn't raise the eye-brows of fanatics. > > Because the truth is - always Amirit and Kalakoota come together; > > Valmiki Ramaya too is not an exception to this statement. Wealth > of > > info about many tings, spiritual heights, nasty evidences and > > rituals, great possibilities in study on literature and knowledge > of > > the past, a playground for logic and argumentation, and much more > is > > present there in Valmiki Ramayana. > > Yes, it is an Epic, truly poetic -but that does not bind us from > > presenting the argumentation possibilities we can provide while > > reading through this 'literary text'. Forget the names Rama, > Krishna, > > Christ, Buddha, Vishnu, Siva etc – the names irrelevant - god is > one > > and the same, all names refer to him - and he is not binding by > some > > stories written by some body in some day in the past. Fanatics are > > buried in books (and represent the dead) - but the true religion > is > > truly alive and lives - divine is the name of the alive > consciousness > > the existence that is present everywhere. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I second Finn ji, in this. Thanks for sharing these thoughts. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " Finn > Wandahl " > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > This is very profound and well explained. Thank you for > sharing > > > > these > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > > > > > > > > > If my personal opinion can be expressed,then the test of > fire > > > etc > > > > > > (Agnipareeksha) is just pointing to the preparedeness of > Rama > > > > > > (Maryada Purushothama) to sacrifice the pleasures arising > out > > > of > > > > > > dual existence.The thought projecting as ''seperate > existence > > > is > > > > > > operating in the '' prakrithi field of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the soul is prepared to sacrifice mind(represented by > > > Sita) > > > > the > > > > > > soul is infact realizing its true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Th reality is when real detachment happens,the mind is no > > more > > > > > > controlling the scene.The moment '' the real we'' within > us > > is > > > > able > > > > > > to see the flow of them from origin,mind is controlled. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we(pradeep/sreenadh etc) try to control our > > > emotions/mind - > > > > in > > > > > > reality the ego(illusion) is trying to do that- and we do > not > > > > know > > > > > > from where this ego has originated and hence the problem > is > > > not > > > > > > solved at root. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus the courage shown by Rama is an Agni Pareeksha for > the > > > > Jeevatma > > > > > > element.When such a detachment is followed by existence > > within > > > > our > > > > > > own real self,one is realized and there is nothing else to > be > > > > > > known.But who can reach that deep?It is not an easy > task.One > > > has > > > > to > > > > > > sacrifice every possession inlcuding his gross existence > to > > > Lord > > > > and > > > > > > then the unperishable alone will exist.I am an ant in > these > > > > subjects > > > > > > and possess only a sincere desire to realize the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was fortunate to talk to Amritananda Mayi AMMA during > this > > > > Pooja > > > > > > days.To my question of whether sports can lead to > > > > realization,AMMA > > > > > > SAID son it is through Kala(arts)..and rythm.It was a > > > > confirmation > > > > > > for my random conclusions, from a Sat Guru.Thus when i had > a > > > > thought > > > > > > over Ammas words later on ..my conclusions are - One may > > > > experience > > > > > > the ananda for a split second when one is engaged in > sports > > > > during > > > > > > those wonderful moments of coordination and timing ...when > > one > > > > > > forgets himself...but the perennial ananda that one can > > > > experience > > > > > > if one can unite atma and mana and hold that breath in > > rythmic > > > > > > cycles..is only possible during perfect cycles of rythmic > > > singing > > > > > > with laya and shruthi or as demonstrated by great > > > dancers.Sruthi > > > > as > > > > > > we know is not only the heard one but also the > > > pitch.Perfection > > > > to > > > > > > that level demands sadhanas spanning janamntaras.Thus i > feel > > > > sports > > > > > > is an elemntary step toards perfection and flexibility of > > > rythm > > > > at > > > > > > the gross level.Nada alone can permeate and reach that our > > own > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i feel Ramayana has deeper and subtler meanings which > we > > > may > > > > > > have to ponder.Shri Chandrahari has written an article > some > > > time > > > > > > back and i am not sure if you have read those. > > > > > > > > > > > > From another angle everyone is right.In > > Brihadaranyakopanishad > > > we > > > > > > can find references on various horses.These Sankalpas are > the > > > > very > > > > > > process of creation and evolution of tattwas results in > namas > > > and > > > > > > roopas.Lord is the one without a second and as soon as a > > > second > > > > > > thought arises time and space emerges.Kausalya is > identifying > > > > > > herself with the macrocosmic principles of creation for a > > > noble > > > > > > creation at pindanda level. > > > > > > > > > > > > AMMA said son when we lose our rythm the rythm of > Prakrithi > > is > > > > > > lost.When we think deeply we will get the answer.Thus from > > > gross > > > > to > > > > > > subtle all the sankalpas are from the One without a > second.HE > > > is > > > > > > engaged in this Yajna and so are we as the unseperable > parts > > > of > > > > > > him.The creative vibrations forgetting about the source > are > > > > > > jeevatmas and the one who knows is Paramatma. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope my views are also considered,though it can be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keywords: Rama's Sister (and Brother in Law) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) http://www.siddha.com.my/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000053- > 6.html > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www..com/prashanti_diary_31st_aug_26sep_07.htm > > > > > > > 3) http://hnn.us/comments/80254.html > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0003-0279(198507%2F09) > 105% > > > 3A3% > > > > > > 3C427%3ATVJTRA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6 > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1356-1898(1927)4%3A3% > 3C579% > > > > 3ATRII% > > > > > > 3E2.0.CO%3B2-U > > > > > > > 6) > > > > > > > http://weberstudies.weber.edu/archive/archive%20B% 20Vol.% > > > 2011- > > > > > > 16.1/Vol.%2015.2/15.2Nanda.htm > > > > > > > 7) > > > > > > > http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > docId=ft5q2nb449 & doc.view=content & chunk.id=d0e234 & toc.depth=1 & anchor. > > > > > > id=0 & brand=eschol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Must be the planetary energies causing this.... lolSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Shri Pradeep, Well said. As of fight and nofight - the question itself is irrelevant - because there is no enemy - and it (this group) is a place for learning and sharing. Let us kick the ass of anyone who violates this and throw him outside and the learning continues. ) To take an action as and when required it is not at all necessary that we should get angry or start 'fighting' - the word 'fight' pre-supposes an equivalent or better 'enemy'. If there is no 'enemy' (even those who speak against me or the group are not at all our enemies and not even the people we may ban due to bad behavior) what 'fight' is possible at all! This is a place to argue (but not demand a response) as much as one want and share their knowledge in support of the arguments, and long as they are not violating the rule of mutual respect and abide by the rules of decent social interaction. If this freedom of view can cause problems - let it be- it is just simple fun. For example, if a thousand people compliments about this to and if discontinues the group - let it be - who is bothered?!! Life is so simple - and everything is welcome - that what I feel. But I love your views, and respect them. Contributions are usually not social but individualistic; but you know controversies are social - and most of the time simply useless and irrelevant! ==> > Let us learn astrology as before. <== Yes, that is what we are doing. I always do my amount of work by providing the new threads and pdfs in time (means as earliest as I can - as per the free time I get). There is a 1000+ members in this group - if at least 20+ start taking the same pain in providing valid information, our group must be be at least 10 times better than what it is now - but it does not happens always. India never had scarcity of talent, but was always short of willingness to do hard work. It is effort that matters, may be even more than knowledge, at times! It is unusual to expect - but true! Look at the state of astrology - there was thousands of people better than us, and still is in india, in the field of astrology. But when it comes to this re-structuring why we (some handful of people) have to do it? Because very few of them are ready to take effort - yes, truly it matters! Just sharing some thoughts that flew here and there. Note: You see, usually i am not fit for a group, and don't want to lead some followers. That is why I love the other moderators moderating the group (some of them even prefer to remain anonymous - to avoid the irrelevant controversies). Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > True.For the same reason i had mentioned that everyone can interpret > the horse as they prefer. > The destination is important.If someone is yet to understand the > presence of HIM in every being -living and non living,they are yet > to start their journey - however high they consider thmeselves to be. > > To avoid controversies it may be better not to dig deep into > history.History is History.We can learn a lot from history no > doubt ,but reacting w.r to history will lead to unnecessary clashes > and disharmony.There might be some who considers this as > cowardice.Let them do so.It needs no courage to fight - any fool can > initiate a fight.It demands great strength and courage to keep away. > > Let us learn astrology as before. > > Regds > Pradeep > , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Pradep, > > Valmiki Ramayana is a treasure house of information - both > positive > > and negative. When we search sincerely it is just natural we may > find > > both of them and feel like telling them to the fellow learners > with > > clarity. > > Ours is a "moderated private group" - and so such discussions > > between the learners shouldn't raise the eye-brows of fanatics. > > Because the truth is - always Amirit and Kalakoota come together; > > Valmiki Ramaya too is not an exception to this statement. Wealth > of > > info about many tings, spiritual heights, nasty evidences and > > rituals, great possibilities in study on literature and knowledge > of > > the past, a playground for logic and argumentation, and much more > is > > present there in Valmiki Ramayana. > > Yes, it is an Epic, truly poetic -but that does not bind us from > > presenting the argumentation possibilities we can provide while > > reading through this 'literary text'. Forget the names Rama, > Krishna, > > Christ, Buddha, Vishnu, Siva etc – the names irrelevant - god is > one > > and the same, all names refer to him - and he is not binding by > some > > stories written by some body in some day in the past. Fanatics are > > buried in books (and represent the dead) - but the true religion > is > > truly alive and lives - divine is the name of the alive > consciousness > > the existence that is present everywhere. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I second Finn ji, in this. Thanks for sharing these thoughts. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , "Finn > Wandahl" > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > This is very profound and well explained. Thank you for > sharing > > > > these > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > > > > > > > > > If my personal opinion can be expressed,then the test of > fire > > > etc > > > > > > (Agnipareeksha) is just pointing to the preparedeness of > Rama > > > > > > (Maryada Purushothama) to sacrifice the pleasures arising > out > > > of > > > > > > dual existence.The thought projecting as ''seperate > existence > > > is > > > > > > operating in the '' prakrithi field of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the soul is prepared to sacrifice mind(represented by > > > Sita) > > > > the > > > > > > soul is infact realizing its true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Th reality is when real detachment happens,the mind is no > > more > > > > > > controlling the scene.The moment '' the real we'' within > us > > is > > > > able > > > > > > to see the flow of them from origin,mind is controlled. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we(pradeep/sreenadh etc) try to control our > > > emotions/mind - > > > > in > > > > > > reality the ego(illusion) is trying to do that- and we do > not > > > > know > > > > > > from where this ego has originated and hence the problem > is > > > not > > > > > > solved at root. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus the courage shown by Rama is an Agni Pareeksha for > the > > > > Jeevatma > > > > > > element.When such a detachment is followed by existence > > within > > > > our > > > > > > own real self,one is realized and there is nothing else to > be > > > > > > known.But who can reach that deep?It is not an easy > task.One > > > has > > > > to > > > > > > sacrifice every possession inlcuding his gross existence > to > > > Lord > > > > and > > > > > > then the unperishable alone will exist.I am an ant in > these > > > > subjects > > > > > > and possess only a sincere desire to realize the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was fortunate to talk to Amritananda Mayi AMMA during > this > > > > Pooja > > > > > > days.To my question of whether sports can lead to > > > > realization,AMMA > > > > > > SAID son it is through Kala(arts)..and rythm.It was a > > > > confirmation > > > > > > for my random conclusions, from a Sat Guru.Thus when i had > a > > > > thought > > > > > > over Ammas words later on ..my conclusions are - One may > > > > experience > > > > > > the ananda for a split second when one is engaged in > sports > > > > during > > > > > > those wonderful moments of coordination and timing ...when > > one > > > > > > forgets himself...but the perennial ananda that one can > > > > experience > > > > > > if one can unite atma and mana and hold that breath in > > rythmic > > > > > > cycles..is only possible during perfect cycles of rythmic > > > singing > > > > > > with laya and shruthi or as demonstrated by great > > > dancers.Sruthi > > > > as > > > > > > we know is not only the heard one but also the > > > pitch.Perfection > > > > to > > > > > > that level demands sadhanas spanning janamntaras.Thus i > feel > > > > sports > > > > > > is an elemntary step toards perfection and flexibility of > > > rythm > > > > at > > > > > > the gross level.Nada alone can permeate and reach that our > > own > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i feel Ramayana has deeper and subtler meanings which > we > > > may > > > > > > have to ponder.Shri Chandrahari has written an article > some > > > time > > > > > > back and i am not sure if you have read those. > > > > > > > > > > > > From another angle everyone is right.In > > Brihadaranyakopanishad > > > we > > > > > > can find references on various horses.These Sankalpas are > the > > > > very > > > > > > process of creation and evolution of tattwas results in > namas > > > and > > > > > > roopas.Lord is the one without a second and as soon as a > > > second > > > > > > thought arises time and space emerges.Kausalya is > identifying > > > > > > herself with the macrocosmic principles of creation for a > > > noble > > > > > > creation at pindanda level. > > > > > > > > > > > > AMMA said son when we lose our rythm the rythm of > Prakrithi > > is > > > > > > lost.When we think deeply we will get the answer.Thus from > > > gross > > > > to > > > > > > subtle all the sankalpas are from the One without a > second.HE > > > is > > > > > > engaged in this Yajna and so are we as the unseperable > parts > > > of > > > > > > him.The creative vibrations forgetting about the source > are > > > > > > jeevatmas and the one who knows is Paramatma. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope my views are also considered,though it can be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keywords: Rama's Sister (and Brother in Law) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) http://www.siddha.com.my/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000053- > 6.html > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www..com/prashanti_diary_31st_aug_26sep_07.htm > > > > > > > 3) http://hnn.us/comments/80254.html > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0003-0279(198507%2F09) > 105% > > > 3A3% > > > > > > 3C427%3ATVJTRA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6 > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1356-1898(1927)4%3A3% > 3C579% > > > > 3ATRII% > > > > > > 3E2.0.CO%3B2-U > > > > > > > 6) > > > > > > > http://weberstudies.weber.edu/archive/archive%20B% 20Vol.% > > > 2011- > > > > > > 16.1/Vol.%2015.2/15.2Nanda.htm > > > > > > > 7) > > > > > > > http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > docId=ft5q2nb449 & doc.view=content & chunk.id=d0e234 & toc.depth=1 & anchor. > > > > > > id=0 & brand=eschol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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