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HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

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HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

 

Shri Jaldhar H. Vyas ji,

Namaskar!

 

You are an erudite scholar of quite a few scriptures. I admire your

scholarship. As such, it is a pleasure to discuss with you the

matter of calendar reform threadbare.

 

Kindly go through 1999b.doc, BVB6.doc, npj3.doc etc. etc.

Rashi5.doc should give you an idea as to why we cannot club any

Makar Sankranti with any Uttarayana, unless it is the so called

sayana Makar Rashi! It will be clear to you from a perusal of these

documents that during the Vedic period (5000 BC at least)and during

the priod of the Vedanga Jyotisha (14th century BC) Yajur Jyotisham

(about 11th century BC), Atharva Jyotisha (5th century BC), Pitamaha

Sidhanta (3rd century BC) Surya Parajyapti (3rd/4th century BC) etc.

we never used any Mesha etc. Rashis, whether the so called Sayana or

the so called nirayana in any conext whatsoever.

 

We find Rashis mentioned for the first time in the Surya Sidhanta of

Pancha-sidahntika. That sidhanta is by Maya the mlechha and is

based on Grecho-Chaldean astronomy!

 

As such, prior to the advent of the SS by Maya the mlechha, we just

calculated tithi,nkahsatra, saura-masa and chandra masa -- all ritu

based i.e. realted to seasons. The VJ is very clear, like all the

other shastras that Uttarayana, Magha and the month of Tapah are one

and the same thing! Similarly, all these shastras are emphatic that

Dakshinayana and Shravana and Nabhah are one and the same thing and

so on! Thus there were no rashis till the advent of the SS! Even

in the SS, there are catagorical statements like " Bhanor Makar

Sankranteh Shanmasa Uttarayanam, Karkyadestathaiva syat shanmasa

Dakshnayanam " i.e. the six motnhs of Uttarayana start from the date

of Makar Sankranti and the six months of Dakshinayana from that of

Karka Sankranti. The Vishnu Purana, the Bhagavata, Shiva Purana,

Devi Purana and all the other Puranas also have followed a similar

trend, as will be clear from 1999b and BVB6 docuemnts etc.

 

It was only Varahamhira the wrost charlatan who spread the mayhem in

his Brihat Samhita that Makar Sankranti could take place either

before or after Uttarayana and Karkata Sankranti before or after

Dakshinayana! The reason behind such a fallacy on his part was that

the calculations, including the duration of the year, is absolutely

meanglness as per the Surya Sidhanta! Maya the mlechha was talking

of tropical year, but he gave the duration of the year which was

more by about 25 minutes than the tropical year! Phalit jyotishis

took recourse, at a much later date, to the sidereal year presuming

that the SS had talked about a sideral year! They just committed

several blunders thus: 1) They did not realise that if the SS

talked of clubbing the Uttarayana with Makar Sankranti year after

year, it could not be a sideral year in any case! (2) They just

clubbed Ashivni nakhatra with the Mesharamba-dindu in spite of

saying that Makar Sankranti and Uttarayana wre one and the same

thing! (3)The duration of the Surya sidhanta year is greater by

eight vipal i.e. about 3.5 minutes even than that of the sidereal

year-- i.e. it is neither sidereal nor tropical!

But these jyotishis never dared to question its credibitliy since

they had the highest respect for the charlatan Varahamihira, who had

said " spashta-taro savitrah " (The Surya Sidhanta is the most

accurate sidhanta!) and besides, Maya the mlechha had hoodwinked the

entire Hindu community with his words that the SS was a revelation

of Surya Bhagwan! In other words, Maya had succeeded in his game

plan to plant incorrect and impossible astronomical data with a

proviso that we should not question its accuracy sinc it is

a " divine relevation " .

 

Lahiri and Ramana and Muladhara etc. etc. Rashichakras are just

clones of the incorrect solar year of the Surya Sidhanta! They can

never be suitable for any dharmic activities! As such, we have to

get rid of all these Rashichakras and thereby years, if we want to

really follow our Vedic dharma instead of the two millennia-old

Grecho-Chaldean one in disguise even today!

 

The next point you have raised is about the beginning of lunar

months -- Amanta and Purnimanta. I have made it clear already that

as far as that pattern goes, it will continue to be " as it is, where

it is " i.e. for the areas like Bihar, UP, J & K, Delhi, Punjab, HP

etc. etc. which are following Purnimanta (Krishnadi)system, it will

conitnue as it is and for those areas like South India,

Maharashtra, MP etc. that are following Amanta (Shkladi system) it

will continue that way, the reason being that both the types of

months have been referred to in the Vedas. It will be clear from

Dikshit's book also. Changing the pattern at this stage will be a

double jeopardy for Purnamanta months -- The lunar months will have

to be advanced by about one month and if we change the pattern from

Purnmimanta to Amanta, it will create all the more confusion for a

layman!

 

Regarding solar/lunar months and seasons: The Vedas are replete with

examples of clubbing the months with seasons and it will be clear

from 1999b.doc. The Vedas have gone even to the extent of

saying " ritubir hi samvatsarah shaknoti sthatum " i.e. " A solar

year has no existence without the ritus " . Even in modern

astronomy/geography, the year is divided into four seasons. As

such, Madhu and Madhava will have to be the months of Vasanta Ritu

i.e. one month before the Vernal Equinox and one month after that.

These very months will be named as Chaitra and Vaishakha -- as

advised by the Vedanga Jytoisha and all the other shastras.

 

Thus Lahiri, Raman, Kharegat, Fagan etc. months/rashis will have to

be elimiated once for all. There is no other way to streamline our

calendars.

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

HinduCalendar , " Jaldhar H. Vyas "

<jaldhar@> wrote:

>

> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, sanat2221 wrote:

>

> > I will like to mention some point which may substantiate my views

> >

> > 1 There were no sign (Mesh, Vrash etc.) concept in Vedic era.

> > 2 Our Indian months (Chaitra, Vaisakh etc.) starts from Krishna

Paksh

> > followed by Shukla paksh.

> > 3 Chaitra and Vaisakh are known as Vasant and following each two

> > months are known as Greeshm and so on.

> > 4 Above months (Chaitra and Vaisakh) were known as Madhu and

Madhav

> > as Vasant.

> > 5 Likewise Tapah and Tapasya were knows as Maagh and Falgun as

Sisir.

> > 6 Maagh and Falgun are the initial months after summer solstice

on 21

> > Dec.

> >

> > I hope there may not be any dispute in above points.

>

> Sorry but there are a few.

>

> 2 is only the case in Northern India (and amongst some Vaishnava

sects

> which follow the calendar used in Vrndavan.) In Gujarat,

Maharashtra

> and points south, a month starts with shukla paksha and is

followed by

> Krishna paksha. This is the chandramana year associated with the

vikrama

> samvata. There is also the saura year associated with shalivahana

shaka.

> That is more popular in some regions.

>

> 3. The definition of rtu is based on solar rashis. The beginning

of

> vasanta is at mina sankranti and continues for two solar rashis.

Same

> for each of the five other rtus. Here's a table:

>

> shishir makara,kumbha

> vasanta mina, mesha

> grishma vrshabha, mithun

> varsha karka, simha

> sharad kanya, tula

> hemant vrshchika, dhanu

>

> so masa do not neatly synchronize with rtus.

>

> 6. Unless you are in Australia or some other southern hemisphere

country,

> I think you meant winter solstice yes?

>

> But I agree with you there is no need to change the dates of

festivals

> based on the chandra masa. As long as one does not try to

shoehorn

> together, masa and tithi on one hand, and rtu and ayana on the

other, the

> demands of both astronomy and dharma can be met without problems.

>

>

> --

> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar@>

>

 

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