[hc] Fwd: Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over!

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hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Dr. Anand M. Sharanji,

Namaskar!

 

<I have not only been following you but support your

assertion that the festivals are being celebrated late - with my

astronomical calculations.>

 

Such words from a scientist/astronomer are a valuable asset for any

fighter who has a tough job at his hands! You have articulated your

views because you have no axe to grind as you are niether a " sayana-

Vedic-astrologer " nor a " nirayana-Vedic-astrologer " , nor are you

speaking on behalf of " His Master's Voice " !

 

<For you either of the options are feasible. I could not

use either of them because I am not in India.>

 

The first option viz. writing to the concerned authorities I have

exhausted thoroughly but my pleadings have brought nothing but a

deafening silence! This will be evident from copies of BVB5, BVB6

and PAC3 etc. document available in the files section.

 

The second alternative i.e. a PIL is no doubt a better one and I had

been toying with that idea for quite sometime. I even consulted a

lawyer friend! We had had a thorough discussion and he went through

all the papers/repesentations that I had made to various departments

and Acharyas etc. Aftr going through all those papers, his candid

opinion was, " In India we have more 'Vedic astrologers' than the

total number of Hindus since there are quie a few

overseas 'Vamadevas' also who have a very powerful lobby! As such,

if we file a PIL, all the 'Vedic astrologersd' will ask for being co-

opted! And the GOI will have the excuse that they are going by the

Report of the Calendar Reform Committee of 1955 and also several

subsequent Committees, the latest ones being that of 1994 at New

Delhi and the subsequent Peer Review Committee of 1999. Unless and

until a new Committee is established and unles that gives a verdict

quite contary to the reports of the earlier Commiitteess, the GOI

cannot do anything about it! And as and when there is another

Committee/Commission, it will be by 'Vedic astrologers' of 'Vedic

astrologers' and 'for Vedic astrologers'. As such, there has to be

a mass movement first by common people who must make a concerted

effort and then send a joint representation with hundereds if not

thousands of signatures to the GOI that we are really celebrating

our festivals on worng days. It is only then that the GOI may do

something about it. If it does not do anything even then, then and

only then, can we file a PIL " .

 

Thus, as you will see, we are back to square one! And that is why I

am trying to give a Clarion call to all the people of Hindu

civilization that it is high time that we join our heads together

and have the recommendatios of the earlier committees upturned.

If you have some other ideas, please let me know.

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

 

 

 

 

hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

<amsharanx@> wrote:

>

> Shree Kauljee:

> I have not only following you but support your

> assertion that the festivals are being celebrated late - with my

> astronomical calculations.

>

> The last time I visited India, I consulted with

lawyers

> about incorporating the MBH War as Ancient Indian History , and of

> course with my findings.

>

> Their opinion was that I have to write to the bodies

> who are responsible, and request them to make changes. If they do

not

> agree then I could go to the court.

>

> Second option was filing in the court under Public

> Interest Legislation. But the problem I had was that I am not an

> Indian Citizen. Being a Hindu is not sufficient to file PIL in

Indian

> Courts.

>

> For you either of the options are feasible. I could

not

> use either of them because I am not in India.

>

> Therefore, you can argue only so much - after that

you

> have to resort to Karma like Arjuna did.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Anand M. Sharan

>

>

>

>

>

>

hinducivilization , " RAVI " <ravi7640@> wrote:

> >

> > Subash Razdan wrote in another forum which as usual Avatarji has

> perforce

> > made us

> > read without any connection to what we this forum members think

or feel.

> > " My suggestion to you is that instead of wasting your time in

these

> > trying to convince members about the `correct dates'

> > you hit the nail at the head and convince Government. If they

revise

> > the dates according to your recommendations entire nation will

start

> > following what you say and I am sure not only your own children

even

> > we will also start celebrating festivals with you without any

fear

> > of landing up in a police station or mental asylum. "

> > I feel this suggestion is echoed here too. Avatarji, kindly

pursue the

> > forces

> > that be who can change the calendar and best of luck to you.

Spare

> us the

> > fatigue this

> > subject brings forth. Apologies if this is stated crudely.

> > Moderator

> > -

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul

> > hinducivilization

> > Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:37 AM

> > [hc] Fwd: Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over!

> >

> >

> > Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over!

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhatnagar Sahib,

> >

> > Your humor (rather sarcasm) is well-taken. You probably, like

many

> > others, are tired of this topic of discussion. You may also

have

> > heard the term, " Two wrongs won't make it right " . You may want

to

> > ponder about that.

> >

> > Instead of appreciating Kaul Sahib's persistence and

steadfastness,

> > we are making fun of his diligence.

> >

> > Being an Engineer (and decision scientist) by profession

myself, my

> > mind is tuned to finding soultions..or solutions within a large

> > confidence interval...and that is not hard, especially if we

are

> > convinced that the dates of celebrations may be out of order.

> >

> > To my understanding, Kaul Sahib has done an amazing job in

ensuring

> > people get the message under odds and under so much of attack

from

> > the so called opponents....That I believe was phase I.

> >

> > Now people like you and other scholars should look into Phase

to

> > ensure that people do not go to mental asylums and police

> > stations....Calendars can very easily be made to standardize

after

> > people like you and me overcome the apathy. For that, lets

dream

> > on...

> >

> > Being a Moderator of this Bulletin Board, I know how much

agony I

> > have personally undergone to keep this discussion

ongoing. ...I must

> > however add, my hats off to Kaul Sahib's resilience and

> > relentlessness. I do agree that while we disaggree with folks

like

> > Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant, we have no right to ridicule their

> > (Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant) knowledge....My understanding of

that

> > has been that by sticking to his point of view, Kaul Sahib has

not

> > been disgraceful to them, but disagreable, no doubt.

> >

> > For now, I would like to say, we had adequate discussion on

this

> > subject. Lets find folks now who would deal with the Government

> > Babus and other scholars to get the facts straightened out.

Maybe

> > you should start dealing with the Government Babus on this

subject

> > since you understand their mentality better.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > Subash Razdan, Moderator.

> >

>

 

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hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

<amsharanx wrote:

 

Shree Kauljee:

 

It is too bad that you are writing that PIL can not

be

filed.

 

It certainly reminds me of Indian History where the Hindu Kings lost

battles because the pundits and jyotishis prevented the kings to go

to

the battle at the right time but wait for the shubh moment.

 

Unless the jyotishis agree even now, the courts in India as well the

governments ( the king ) would not act. Who says we are living in the

21st century ?

 

Since you are a Kashmiri Brahmin, Soniajee may listen to you. Once

she

shows sympathy for your cause, all the Congressees will raise slogan

in your favour and stand on one foot and support you.

 

Pl try this.

 

Thanks.

 

Anand M. Sharan

 

 

 

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Dr. Anand M. Sharanji,

> Namaskar!

>

> <I have not only been following you but support your

> assertion that the festivals are being celebrated late - with my

> astronomical calculations.>

>

> Such words from a scientist/astronomer are a valuable asset for

any

> fighter who has a tough job at his hands! You have articulated

your

> views because you have no axe to grind as you are niether

a " sayana-

> Vedic-astrologer " nor a " nirayana-Vedic-astrologer " , nor are you

> speaking on behalf of " His Master's Voice " !

>

> <For you either of the options are feasible. I could not

> use either of them because I am not in India.>

>

> The first option viz. writing to the concerned authorities I have

> exhausted thoroughly but my pleadings have brought nothing but a

> deafening silence! This will be evident from copies of BVB5, BVB6

> and PAC3 etc. document available in the files section.

>

> The second alternative i.e. a PIL is no doubt a better one and I

had

> been toying with that idea for quite sometime. I even consulted a

> lawyer friend! We had had a thorough discussion and he went

through

> all the papers/repesentations that I had made to various

departments

> and Acharyas etc. Aftr going through all those papers, his candid

> opinion was, " In India we have more 'Vedic astrologers' than the

> total number of Hindus since there are quie a few

> overseas 'Vamadevas' also who have a very powerful lobby! As

such,

> if we file a PIL, all the 'Vedic astrologersd' will ask for being

co-

> opted! And the GOI will have the excuse that they are going by

the

> Report of the Calendar Reform Committee of 1955 and also several

> subsequent Committees, the latest ones being that of 1994 at New

> Delhi and the subsequent Peer Review Committee of 1999. Unless

and

> until a new Committee is established and unles that gives a

verdict

> quite contary to the reports of the earlier Commiitteess, the GOI

> cannot do anything about it! And as and when there is another

> Committee/Commission, it will be by 'Vedic astrologers' of 'Vedic

> astrologers' and 'for Vedic astrologers'. As such, there has to

be

> a mass movement first by common people who must make a concerted

> effort and then send a joint representation with hundereds if not

> thousands of signatures to the GOI that we are really celebrating

> our festivals on worng days. It is only then that the GOI may do

> something about it. If it does not do anything even then, then

and

> only then, can we file a PIL " .

>

> Thus, as you will see, we are back to square one! And that is why

I

> am trying to give a Clarion call to all the people of Hindu

> civilization that it is high time that we join our heads together

> and have the recommendatios of the earlier committees upturned.

> If you have some other ideas, please let me know.

> With regards,

> Avtar Krishen Kaul

>

>

>

>

> hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

> <amsharanx@> wrote:

> >

> > Shree Kauljee:

> > I have not only following you but support your

> > assertion that the festivals are being celebrated late - with my

> > astronomical calculations.

> >

> > The last time I visited India, I consulted with

> lawyers

> > about incorporating the MBH War as Ancient Indian History , and

of

> > course with my findings.

> >

> > Their opinion was that I have to write to the

bodies

> > who are responsible, and request them to make changes. If they

do

> not

> > agree then I could go to the court.

> >

> > Second option was filing in the court under Public

> > Interest Legislation. But the problem I had was that I am not an

> > Indian Citizen. Being a Hindu is not sufficient to file PIL in

> Indian

> > Courts.

> >

> > For you either of the options are feasible. I

could

> not

> > use either of them because I am not in India.

> >

> > Therefore, you can argue only so much - after that

> you

> > have to resort to Karma like Arjuna did.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Anand M. Sharan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > hinducivilization , " RAVI " <ravi7640@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Subash Razdan wrote in another forum which as usual Avatarji

has

> > perforce

> > > made us

> > > read without any connection to what we this forum members

think

> or feel.

> > > " My suggestion to you is that instead of wasting your time in

> these

> > > trying to convince members about the `correct

dates'

> > > you hit the nail at the head and convince Government. If they

> revise

> > > the dates according to your recommendations entire nation will

> start

> > > following what you say and I am sure not only your own

children

> even

> > > we will also start celebrating festivals with you without any

> fear

> > > of landing up in a police station or mental asylum. "

> > > I feel this suggestion is echoed here too. Avatarji, kindly

> pursue the

> > > forces

> > > that be who can change the calendar and best of luck to you.

> Spare

> > us the

> > > fatigue this

> > > subject brings forth. Apologies if this is stated crudely.

> > > Moderator

> > > -

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul

> > > hinducivilization

> > > Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:37 AM

> > > [hc] Fwd: Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over!

> > >

> > >

> > > Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over!

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Bhatnagar Sahib,

> > >

> > > Your humor (rather sarcasm) is well-taken. You probably,

like

> many

> > > others, are tired of this topic of discussion. You may also

> have

> > > heard the term, " Two wrongs won't make it right " . You may

want

> to

> > > ponder about that.

> > >

> > > Instead of appreciating Kaul Sahib's persistence and

> steadfastness,

> > > we are making fun of his diligence.

> > >

> > > Being an Engineer (and decision scientist) by profession

> myself, my

> > > mind is tuned to finding soultions..or solutions within a

large

> > > confidence interval...and that is not hard, especially if we

> are

> > > convinced that the dates of celebrations may be out of order.

> > >

> > > To my understanding, Kaul Sahib has done an amazing job in

> ensuring

> > > people get the message under odds and under so much of

attack

> from

> > > the so called opponents....That I believe was phase I.

> > >

> > > Now people like you and other scholars should look into

Phase

> to

> > > ensure that people do not go to mental asylums and police

> > > stations....Calendars can very easily be made to standardize

> after

> > > people like you and me overcome the apathy. For that, lets

> dream

> > > on...

> > >

> > > Being a Moderator of this Bulletin Board, I know how much

> agony I

> > > have personally undergone to keep this discussion

> ongoing. ...I must

> > > however add, my hats off to Kaul Sahib's resilience and

> > > relentlessness. I do agree that while we disaggree with

folks

> like

> > > Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant, we have no right to ridicule

their

> > > (Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant) knowledge....My understanding

of

> that

> > > has been that by sticking to his point of view, Kaul Sahib

has

> not

> > > been disgraceful to them, but disagreable, no doubt.

> > >

> > > For now, I would like to say, we had adequate discussion on

> this

> > > subject. Lets find folks now who would deal with the

Government

> > > Babus and other scholars to get the facts straightened out.

> Maybe

> > > you should start dealing with the Government Babus on this

> subject

> > > since you understand their mentality better.

> > >

> > > Best wishes.

> > >

> > > Subash Razdan, Moderator.

> > >

> >

>

 

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