Fwd: We are celebrating all our festivals on wrong days--so what?

[Guest guest]

WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

 

Shri Surendra N. Pandey ji,

Namaskar!

 

<When Hindus start questioning our religious dates and declaring

them being celebrated on wrong days>

 

It is not the question of questioning! The question really is if we

are celebrating our festivals on wrong days! If yes, we must

certainly correct them and if not, then we must certainly oppose

such reforms quoting all the relevant material from the Vedas,

dharmashastras, sidhantas apart from modern astronomy!

Sinc I have quoted all the relevant information, and will continue

to quote further, that we are celebrating all the festivals on wrong

days, the only way out is that we must streamline our calendars!

 

There are quite a few scholars and even commmon men, who have

realized the fact that we are really celebrating our festivals on

wrong days and they would like to put a full stop to it!

 

Since you have changed the heading of this topic to " We are

celebratig all our festivals on wrong days---so what? " it appears

you also have become convinced that we are celebrating our festivals

on wrong days but would not like to celebrate them now on correct

days because of certain specious reasons!

 

If we shun the unpleasant task of rectifying our calendars lest

some anti-Hindu forums get a handle, we are then exhibiting our

weakness instead of our strengths since no dharma has ever survived

on falseheood! All you can do is avoid the issue of a shodwon for

some time but you cannot wish it away permanently! This is evident

from the fact that the crusade for reforming the Hindu calendar has

been going on over the last at least couple of centuries!

Natuarally, it will continue, whether some people want it or not!

 

You have said further

<Learn from Christians who changed the date of birth of Christ to

December to coincide with popular festivals celebrated in Europe>

 

It appears you have not heard " the story of Gregorian Calendar " ! An

error or ten days had accumulated from the date of Julian calendar

i.e. 45 BC to 1582 since the Vernal Equinox had started falling on

March 11 (in 1582) instead of March 21 (in 45 BC). Pope Gregory

XIII decided to rectify that error of Julian calendar and by issuing

a " Bull " he supressed 10 days of October in 1582 i.e. after October

4, 1582, the next date was October 15, 1582 instead of October 5,

1582! When people woke up to the anouncement that October 5 had

become October 15 they came rushing on to the streets weeping and

crying like mad-men demanding the restoration of ten days that had

been snatched by the authorities -- that is at least what the common

man felt at that point of time, since there were no satellite TVs

to broadcast every decision within seconds and to have endless

dicscussions on every topic on every channel/forum!

 

However, the authorities of Roman Catholic countires and Catholic

states explained the mystery of missing ten days to the public and

everybody was satisfied! And the result is there for anyybody to

see---Gregorian calendar is being used throughout the world --even

by " Vedic astrologers " to prepare their " Vedic " birth charts from

the software prepared by NASA/JPL -- another follower of Gregorian

calendar!

If Pope Gregory XIII had sulked out of the fear of playing into the

hands of his opponents that they would think " scholars themselves

have doubts about the dates, " the world would have cursed him like

anything since we would still be wallowing in the mud of wrong

Julian Calendar as we are doing in the case of our own festivals!

 

For such crusades in the HIndu dharma, we have the Gita 2/35 that

admonishes us

" bhayad ranad uparatam mamsyante tvam maharatha

yesham cha tvam bahumato bhootva yasyasi laghavam "

 

" The mighty wariors will feel that you have beaten a hastry retreat

out of fear (of losing the batle) and those who hold you in high

esteem will look down upon you with disdain "

 

I am sure you do not want the Hindu community to shun their dharma

of celebrating festivals on correct days out of fear of opponents

considering them " being uncertain of their real dates " ! On the

other hand, our correcting the dates will prove the resilience and

steadfastness of Hindu dharma that the Hindus have the capacity and

will to correct any inconsistencies! Remember, the Hindu community

was suffering from innumerable evils like casteism, looking down

upon widows etc. but then we did not take shelter behind " playing

into the hands of opponents " for not shunning those fallacies! Why

pleade such a hleplessness now?

 

I will end this post with the words from my letter of July 24, 2004,

to Hon'ble Rashtrapati:

 

" As a matter of fact, these articles are being written for every

Hindu who has still some love for his Dharma instead of the filth of

lucre. It is a Clarion Call to every Hindu to rebel against the

tyrannical grip that these false Messiahs have on us and free

ourselves from their shackles. We should not be afraid because we

are not going to lose anything since they have already made us lose

our Dharma by making us believe in some imaginary sidereal and that

also geocentric Rashichakra and thus compelled us to celebrate our

fairs and festivals on wrong days. These `jyotishis' have already

made us paupers intellectually---what worse can they do to us?

Therefore, for the sake of Dharma, we must revolt---every Hindu has

to be a warrior for his Dharma. The Gita says and I have read in my

school days in a poem named `Horatius', `For no man can die better

than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers and the

temples of his gods.' Ironically, here we have to save our

Dharma not from some foreign mercenaries or some such zealots who

want to convert us to some other religion but from our own clan who

are holding us to ransom by making `correct predictions' from

incorrect data! If some people want to die for the crumbs these

predictive astrologers (jugglers?) are throwing on them (monkeys?) --

-It certainly is their prerogative---and bad luck! "

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

>

WAVES-Vedic , " Surendra N. Pandey "

<pandeysn@> wrote:

>

> When Hindus start questioning our religious dates and declaring

them being celebrated on wrong days, we are certainly giving a

powerful tool to anti-Hindu forces. Recently they tried to declare

that Shri Raam never existed --He is the figment of the imagination

of Hindus. Only after massive protests, the affidavit by the

Government of India to the Supreme Court was withdrawn. Now they

(Hindu foes) will say, look Hindu scholars themselves have doubts

about the dates, hence everything Hindus celebrate are just made up.

With all these petitions and debates, only thing that can be

accomplished is to strengthen the anti-Hindu forces. Hinduism in

India is already under attack, especially by Christians who are

trying their best to create doubts, and often succeeding in

converting Hindus to Christianity.

>

> Learn from Christians who changed the date of birth of Christ to

December to coincide with popular festivals celebrated in Europe.

Now, people have forgotten those original festivals, all they

remember is that December is the Christ's birth month. Hasn't this

helped in acceptance and spread of Christianity in Europe?

Established many thousands years later than Hinduism, it has become

number one religion in the world, and yet they continue to make

every effort to expand it more --they will not rest until the entire

world becomes Christian world.

>

> So the choice is ours, continue to debate our dates that may

eventually lead to acceptance that all Hindu religious dates are

false--hence Hindu Gods and deities are all imaginary, so people

must accept Jesus Christ who is real. Or accept the dates we have

and strengthen our faith and belief to make ordinary Hindus feel

confident in their religion, and not be swayed by the proselytizers.

>

> I hope I am wrong, but I often wonder that these scholars are

more interested in satisfying their ego (that they know more than

others) than serving the Hinduism.

>

> --Surendra Pandey

>

>

>

>

> jyotirved <jyotirved@> wrote:

> Shri Pushkar Bhatnagar ji,

> Namaskar!

> Glad to know that you returned to the web again!

>

> It appears even when you were earlier surfing the web, you were

unaware of the efforts that had been/were being made by me in the

direction of putting the deformed Hindu calendar back on the

tracks! Surprisingly, your suggestion to contact the GOI also had

already been implemented more than three years back! This will be

evident from the copy of letter dated July 9, 2004, being produced

below. Copies of other documents will follow one by one

> With regards,

> Avtar Krishen Kaul

> **** **** ***** ***** ***** *****

*****

> WAVES-Vedic , Pushkar Bhatnagar

<bhatnagar_pushkar@> wrote:

> Dear Kaul Sahib,

> Namskar.

> I returned to web recently, after a gap of about one and a half

year……

> " My suggestion to you is that instead of wasting your time in

these trying to convince members about the `correct

dates' you hit the nail at the head and convince Government. If they

revise the dates according to your recommendations entire nation

will start following what you say and I am sure not only your own

children even we will also start celebrating festivals with you

without any fear of landing up in a police station or mental

asylum "

> ……..

>

> Copy of letter sent to the then Hon'ble Rashrapatiji with copies

to the all concerned

> **** ***** ****** **** ***** ****

*******

> July 9, 2004

> Shri A. P. J. Abdul Kalam

> Hon'ble President

> Republic of India

> Rashtrapati Bhavan

> New Delhi-110001

> (Via email)

>

> Sub: " Vedic astrology " ----is actually the worst enemy

of the real Vedic culture because:

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

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vedic_research_institute , " Avtar Krishen

Kaul " <jyotirved wrote:

 

WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

 

 

Shri Surendra N. Pandey ji,

Namaskar!

 

<When Hindus start questioning our religious dates and declaring

them being celebrated on wrong days>

 

It is not the question of questioning! The question really is if we

are celebrating our festivals on wrong days! If yes, we must

certainly correct them and if not, then we must certainly oppose

such reforms quoting all the relevant material from the Vedas,

dharmashastras, sidhantas apart from modern astronomy!

Sinc I have quoted all the relevant information, and will continue

to quote further, that we are celebrating all the festivals on wrong

days, the only way out is that we must streamline our calendars!

 

There are quite a few scholars and even commmon men, who have

realized the fact that we are really celebrating our festivals on

wrong days and they would like to put a full stop to it!

 

Since you have changed the heading of this topic to " We are

celebratig all our festivals on wrong days---so what? " it appears

you also have become convinced that we are celebrating our festivals

on wrong days but would not like to celebrate them now on correct

days because of certain specious reasons!

 

If we shun the unpleasant task of rectifying our calendars lest

some anti-Hindu forums get a handle, we are then exhibiting our

weakness instead of our strengths since no dharma has ever survived

on falseheood! All you can do is avoid the issue of a shodwon for

some time but you cannot wish it away permanently! This is evident

from the fact that the crusade for reforming the Hindu calendar has

been going on over the last at least couple of centuries!

Natuarally, it will continue, whether some people want it or not!

 

You have said further

<Learn from Christians who changed the date of birth of Christ to

December to coincide with popular festivals celebrated in Europe>

 

It appears you have not heard " the story of Gregorian Calendar " ! An

error or ten days had accumulated from the date of Julian calendar

i.e. 45 BC to 1582 since the Vernal Equinox had started falling on

March 11 (in 1582) instead of March 21 (in 45 BC). Pope Gregory

XIII decided to rectify that error of Julian calendar and by issuing

a " Bull " he supressed 10 days of October in 1582 i.e. after October

4, 1582, the next date was October 15, 1582 instead of October 5,

1582! When people woke up to the anouncement that October 5 had

become October 15 they came rushing on to the streets weeping and

crying like mad-men demanding the restoration of ten days that had

been snatched by the authorities -- that is at least what the common

man felt at that point of time, since there were no satellite TVs

to broadcast every decision within seconds and to have endless

dicscussions on every topic on every channel/forum!

 

However, the authorities of Roman Catholic countires and Catholic

states explained the mystery of missing ten days to the public and

everybody was satisfied! And the result is there for anyybody to

see---Gregorian calendar is being used throughout the world --even

by " Vedic astrologers " to prepare their " Vedic " birth charts from

the software prepared by NASA/JPL -- another follower of Gregorian

calendar!

If Pope Gregory XIII had sulked out of the fear of playing into the

hands of his opponents that they would think " scholars themselves

have doubts about the dates, " the world would have cursed him like

anything since we would still be wallowing in the mud of wrong

Julian Calendar as we are doing in the case of our own festivals!

 

For such crusades in the HIndu dharma, we have the Gita 2/35 that

admonishes us

" bhayad ranad uparatam mamsyante tvam maharatha

yesham cha tvam bahumato bhootva yasyasi laghavam "

 

" The mighty wariors will feel that you have beaten a hastry retreat

out of fear (of losing the batle) and those who hold you in high

esteem will look down upon you with disdain "

 

I am sure you do not want the Hindu community to shun their dharma

of celebrating festivals on correct days out of fear of opponents

considering them " being uncertain of their real dates " ! On the

other hand, our correcting the dates will prove the resilience and

steadfastness of Hindu dharma that the Hindus have the capacity and

will to correct any inconsistencies! Remember, the Hindu community

was suffering from innumerable evils like casteism, looking down

upon widows etc. but then we did not take shelter behind " playing

into the hands of opponents " for not shunning those fallacies! Why

pleade such a hleplessness now?

 

I will end this post with the words from my letter of July 24, 2004,

to Hon'ble Rashtrapati:

 

" As a matter of fact, these articles are being written for every

Hindu who has still some love for his Dharma instead of the filth of

lucre. It is a Clarion Call to every Hindu to rebel against the

tyrannical grip that these false Messiahs have on us and free

ourselves from their shackles. We should not be afraid because we

are not going to lose anything since they have already made us lose

our Dharma by making us believe in some imaginary sidereal and that

also geocentric Rashichakra and thus compelled us to celebrate our

fairs and festivals on wrong days. These `jyotishis' have already

made us paupers intellectually---what worse can they do to us?

Therefore, for the sake of Dharma, we must revolt---every Hindu has

to be a warrior for his Dharma. The Gita says and I have read in my

school days in a poem named `Horatius', `For no man can die better

than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers and the

temples of his gods.' Ironically, here we have to save our

Dharma not from some foreign mercenaries or some such zealots who

want to convert us to some other religion but from our own clan who

are holding us to ransom by making `correct predictions' from

incorrect data! If some people want to die for the crumbs these

predictive astrologers (jugglers?) are throwing on them (monkeys?) --

-It certainly is their prerogative---and bad luck! "

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

>

WAVES-Vedic , " Surendra N. Pandey "

<pandeysn@> wrote:

>

> When Hindus start questioning our religious dates and declaring

them being celebrated on wrong days, we are certainly giving a

powerful tool to anti-Hindu forces. Recently they tried to declare

that Shri Raam never existed --He is the figment of the imagination

of Hindus. Only after massive protests, the affidavit by the

Government of India to the Supreme Court was withdrawn. Now they

(Hindu foes) will say, look Hindu scholars themselves have doubts

about the dates, hence everything Hindus celebrate are just made up.

With all these petitions and debates, only thing that can be

accomplished is to strengthen the anti-Hindu forces. Hinduism in

India is already under attack, especially by Christians who are

trying their best to create doubts, and often succeeding in

converting Hindus to Christianity.

>

> Learn from Christians who changed the date of birth of Christ to

December to coincide with popular festivals celebrated in Europe.

Now, people have forgotten those original festivals, all they

remember is that December is the Christ's birth month. Hasn't this

helped in acceptance and spread of Christianity in Europe?

Established many thousands years later than Hinduism, it has become

number one religion in the world, and yet they continue to make

every effort to expand it more --they will not rest until the entire

world becomes Christian world.

>

> So the choice is ours, continue to debate our dates that may

eventually lead to acceptance that all Hindu religious dates are

false--hence Hindu Gods and deities are all imaginary, so people

must accept Jesus Christ who is real. Or accept the dates we have

and strengthen our faith and belief to make ordinary Hindus feel

confident in their religion, and not be swayed by the proselytizers.

>

> I hope I am wrong, but I often wonder that these scholars are

more interested in satisfying their ego (that they know more than

others) than serving the Hinduism.

>

> --Surendra Pandey

>

>

>

>

> jyotirved <jyotirved@> wrote:

> Shri Pushkar Bhatnagar ji,

> Namaskar!

> Glad to know that you returned to the web again!

>

> It appears even when you were earlier surfing the web, you were

unaware of the efforts that had been/were being made by me in the

direction of putting the deformed Hindu calendar back on the

tracks! Surprisingly, your suggestion to contact the GOI also had

already been implemented more than three years back! This will be

evident from the copy of letter dated July 9, 2004, being produced

below. Copies of other documents will follow one by one

> With regards,

> Avtar Krishen Kaul

> **** **** ***** ***** ***** *****

*****

> WAVES-Vedic , Pushkar Bhatnagar

<bhatnagar_pushkar@> wrote:

> Dear Kaul Sahib,

> Namskar.

> I returned to web recently, after a gap of about one and a half

year……

> " My suggestion to you is that instead of wasting your time in

these trying to convince members about the `correct

dates' you hit the nail at the head and convince Government. If they

revise the dates according to your recommendations entire nation

will start following what you say and I am sure not only your own

children even we will also start celebrating festivals with you

without any fear of landing up in a police station or mental

asylum "

> ……..

>

> Copy of letter sent to the then Hon'ble Rashrapatiji with copies

to the all concerned

> **** ***** ****** **** ***** ****

*******

> July 9, 2004

> Shri A. P. J. Abdul Kalam

> Hon'ble President

> Republic of India

> Rashtrapati Bhavan

> New Delhi-110001

> (Via email)

>

> Sub: " Vedic astrology " ----is actually the worst enemy

of the real Vedic culture because:

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

 

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