Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Respected friends, I asked this question in another forum, and have not yet got an answer. Please see to this: My question is on planetary war, which in Vedic terms is called Grahayuddha. Well, there is an adage attached to Venus while it is in a war that " bhargavah prayasho jayee " . Venus wins commonly, even though it lags behind in latitude. But there is another rule that I can see in Brihat Samhita. It says that retrograde and smaller(Sannibrittahanu) planets would lose. If retrogression makes a planet lose, which would be the winner in this case: Venus® 0/24/21/52 Mars 0/24/6/30 Given is that Venus lags behind Mars in terms of latitude. If Mars wins, I won't ask again; but if he loses the war, see that both Mars and Venus are in the navamsa of Mars. So, which one of (Kshetra +amsa) bala and Yuddha bala dominates? Please take the trouble to mention sources to support your answer. Best regards, Saurav Bhaumik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear saurav bhaumik , I am giving u my understanding on graha yudha ,asking the reference i dont hav any books except some oral traditional verses in malayalam and it cannot be taken as quote from authority . The statement abt venus is always winner is wrong --it will be winner only when its les in longitude and shud be late in changing the rasi . SO mars and venus is in same navamsa and venus tho less in longitude but if its because of its fastness it can cross the longitude of mars and hence it can change the rasi faster than mars ,so in this case venus should be looser.This is applicable only to venus But being vakra venus degrees are getting less day by day --so in this purticular case u refered is venus will be winner. Amsaka bala ,stana bala all is differrent calculation for knowing the results and strenghts of planets . this is what i know and learned souls like finn,goel sir will illuminate us more regrds vijayaraghavan guruvayur. , "saurav1b" <saurav1b wrote:>> Respected friends,> > I asked this question in another forum, and have not yet got an> answer. Please see to this:> > My question is on planetary war, which in Vedic terms is called> Grahayuddha.> Well, there is an adage attached to Venus while it is in a war that> "bhargavah prayasho jayee". Venus wins commonly, even though it lags> behind in latitude. > But there is another rule that I can see in Brihat Samhita. It says that> retrograde and smaller(Sannibrittahanu) planets would lose. If> retrogression makes a planet lose, which would be the winner in this> case:> Venus® 0/24/21/52> Mars 0/24/6/30> > Given is that Venus lags behind Mars in terms of latitude. > > If Mars wins, I won't ask again; but if he loses the war, see that both> Mars and Venus are in the navamsa of Mars. So, which one of (Kshetra> +amsa) bala and Yuddha bala dominates?> > Please take the trouble to mention sources to support your answer.> > Best regards,> Saurav Bhaumik> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear Vijayaraghavan, I think your views contradict that of BrihatSamhita somewhat outright; for it is written in that book that sannibrittahanu i.e. the smaller or the retrograde planets would lose; rather, being less or more in longitude would not, I thought, matter here - or else I have not yet seen such condition in any book I've read. A planet would lose when it has a Dakshingati i.e., when it is in south of the opponent, that is, less in latitude than the opponent. You may kindly have a look at article 4.8 of the page http://www.brihaspati.net/lesson_4.htm I never heard that a planet would win when it would be later in crossing the rashi than its opponent; so it should have less angular velocity in that case. I would be very benefited if you could kindly take the trouble to quote some Classical Text. I express some of my temporary views which you may find helpful to find faults in my thought: 1)the winner takes hold of the karakatwa i.e. the lordship of the defeated; 2)the one with less speed would have, if not retrogression is taken into it, less Chestabala (roughly); 3)there should be an algorithmic order among the conditions of winning; 4)in any case the winner should be powerful in some way; - not even clear in astrology is what we should mean by " power " or " strength " of a planet - sometimes a very powerful planet damages the house (for example, a Dhanu lagna will have his 5th house damaged if he has strong Mars+sun in it). I think I have been able to express my views. Shouldn't we decide the theory rather from the intuitive meaning of Grahayuddha? Your wise comments needed. Best regards, Saurav On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 01:04 +0000, lion_draco1983 wrote: > Dear saurav bhaumik , > > > > I am giving u my understanding on graha yudha ,asking the reference > i dont hav any books except some oral traditional verses in malayalam > and it cannot be taken as quote from authority . > > > > The statement abt venus is always winner is wrong --it will be > winner only when its les in longitude and shud be late in changing the > rasi . > > > > SO mars and venus is in same navamsa and venus tho less in longitude > but if its because of its fastness it can cross the longitude of mars > and hence it can change the rasi faster than mars ,so in this case > venus should be looser.This is applicable only to venus > > > > But being vakra venus degrees are getting less day by day --so in this > purticular case u refered is venus will be winner. > > > > Amsaka bala ,stana bala all is differrent calculation for knowing the > results and strenghts of planets . > > > > this is what i know and learned souls like finn,goel sir will > illuminate us more > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan guruvayur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Hi, May I add here from my limited knowledge which I've acquired. As per this Mars being Senapati always wins in Grah Yudhha. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Regards, V.K.Taneja , " lion_draco1983 " <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > Dear saurav bhaumik , > > > > I am giving u my understanding on graha yudha ,asking the reference i > dont hav any books except some oral traditional verses in malayalam and > it cannot be taken as quote from authority . > > > > The statement abt venus is always winner is wrong --it will be > winner only when its les in longitude and shud be late in changing the > rasi . > > > > SO mars and venus is in same navamsa and venus tho less in longitude > but if its because of its fastness it can cross the longitude of mars > and hence it can change the rasi faster than mars ,so in this case > venus should be looser.This is applicable only to venus > > > > But being vakra venus degrees are getting less day by day --so in this > purticular case u refered is venus will be winner. > > > > Amsaka bala ,stana bala all is differrent calculation for knowing the > results and strenghts of planets . > > > > this is what i know and learned souls like finn,goel sir will > illuminate us more > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan guruvayur. , " saurav1b " > <saurav1b@> wrote: > > > > Respected friends, > > > > I asked this question in another forum, and have not yet got an > > answer. Please see to this: > > > > My question is on planetary war, which in Vedic terms is called > > Grahayuddha. > > Well, there is an adage attached to Venus while it is in a war that > > " bhargavah prayasho jayee " . Venus wins commonly, even though it lags > > behind in latitude. > > But there is another rule that I can see in Brihat Samhita. It says > that > > retrograde and smaller(Sannibrittahanu) planets would lose. If > > retrogression makes a planet lose, which would be the winner in this > > case: > > Venus® 0/24/21/52 > > Mars 0/24/6/30 > > > > Given is that Venus lags behind Mars in terms of latitude. > > > > If Mars wins, I won't ask again; but if he loses the war, see that > both > > Mars and Venus are in the navamsa of Mars. So, which one of (Kshetra > > +amsa) bala and Yuddha bala dominates? > > > > Please take the trouble to mention sources to support your answer. > > > > Best regards, > > Saurav Bhaumik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dear Mr Taneja, I'm anxious that this is not as much literally a war as you have thought of it; yes, Mars being the senapathi is always powerful, and is indeed powerful in the case I gave. But Mars is supposed to fight against the enemies of Sun, who is the King. The royal family that Mars is supposed to guard includes Venus - so we would not expect that Mars will so easily come down to a war against Venus. Planetary war is just a terminology for a particular type of strength - if a planet is defeated then its shadbala changes in some way (BPHS). Regards, Saurav On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 21:40 +0000, Virendra Taneja wrote: > Hi, > May I add here from my limited knowledge which I've acquired. As per > this Mars being Senapati always wins in Grah Yudhha. Please correct me > if I'm wrong. > Regards, > V.K.Taneja > > , " lion_draco1983 " > <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > > > > Dear saurav bhaumik , > > > > > > > > I am giving u my understanding on graha yudha ,asking the > reference i > > dont hav any books except some oral traditional verses in malayalam > and > > it cannot be taken as quote from authority . > > > > > > > > The statement abt venus is always winner is wrong --it will be > > winner only when its les in longitude and shud be late in changing > the > > rasi . > > > > > > > > SO mars and venus is in same navamsa and venus tho less in longitude > > but if its because of its fastness it can cross the longitude of > mars > > and hence it can change the rasi faster than mars ,so in this case > > venus should be looser.This is applicable only to venus > > > > > > > > But being vakra venus degrees are getting less day by day --so in > this > > purticular case u refered is venus will be winner. > > > > > > > > Amsaka bala ,stana bala all is differrent calculation for knowing > the > > results and strenghts of planets . > > > > > > > > this is what i know and learned souls like finn,goel sir will > > illuminate us more > > > > > > > > regrds vijayaraghavan guruvayur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " saurav1b " > > <saurav1b@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected friends, > > > > > > I asked this question in another forum, and have not yet got an > > > answer. Please see to this: > > > > > > My question is on planetary war, which in Vedic terms is called > > > Grahayuddha. > > > Well, there is an adage attached to Venus while it is in a war > that > > > " bhargavah prayasho jayee " . Venus wins commonly, even though it > lags > > > behind in latitude. > > > But there is another rule that I can see in Brihat Samhita. It > says > > that > > > retrograde and smaller(Sannibrittahanu) planets would lose. If > > > retrogression makes a planet lose, which would be the winner in > this > > > case: > > > Venus® 0/24/21/52 > > > Mars 0/24/6/30 > > > > > > Given is that Venus lags behind Mars in terms of latitude. > > > > > > If Mars wins, I won't ask again; but if he loses the war, see that > > both > > > Mars and Venus are in the navamsa of Mars. So, which one of > (Kshetra > > > +amsa) bala and Yuddha bala dominates? > > > > > > Please take the trouble to mention sources to support your answer. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Saurav Bhaumik > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hello All, The main consideration of planetary war that is overlooked is the correct formation of planetary war. Both Surya Siddhanta and Varahamira are very clear that planetary war is not to be calculated for ecliptic/zodiacal longitude, but for observational latitude. You all may have noticed that often you will cast a chart and see that two planets are at the same degree, then you run out side and find that they are quite far apart in the sky. This is due to their different latitudes which effectively changes the time that they rise over the horizon and so they do not look at the same degree from a person on earth. So planetary war has to be calculated for such observable longitude, for which reason, war may be between two planets in LA, but not in Delhi, so ill things happen in LA at that time, but Delhi is spared. I have tested this more ancient method of calculating planetary war and it works as compared to the modern method which more often than not fails. It is a difficult calculation to make, you can read about it in the Surya Siddhanta in the Yoga of planets chapter, but we did program it into your Kala Software. Jai Rama, Ernst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear friends, I personally agree with the views of Mr. Jai Rama Kindly examine the following nativity. D.O.B-31-10-1945;T.O.B2.41 a.m.IST DELHI JUPITER IS DEFEATED IN WAR AND GIVING EXCELLENT RESULTS IN HIS DASA .WHICH IS PRESENTLY RUNNING.. Regards,Ernst Wilhelm <ernst wrote: Hello All, The main consideration of planetary war that is overlooked is the correct formation of planetary war. Both Surya Siddhanta and Varahamira are very clear that planetary war is not to be calculated for ecliptic/zodiacal longitude, but for observational latitude. You all may have noticed that often you will cast a chart and see that two planets are at the same degree, then you run out side and find that they are quite far apart in the sky. This is due to their different latitudes which effectively changes the time that they rise over the horizon and so they do not look at the same degree from a person on earth. So planetary war has to be calculated for such observable longitude, for which reason, war may be between two planets in LA, but not in Delhi, so ill things happen in LA at that time, but Delhi is spared. I have tested this more ancient method of calculating planetary war and it works as compared to the modern method which more often than not fails. It is a difficult calculation to make, you can read about it in the Surya Siddhanta in the Yoga of planets chapter, but we did program it into your Kala Software. Jai Rama, Ernst G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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