Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Dear All, The following is a write up that starts a discussion on 2-planet combinations. ==================================================== Two planet combinations ----- The first thing to know in this section is that these results are part of "results that should be derived considering planets alone". i.e. It is part of "Planet based result derivation" which is part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions such as `what if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if if the combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be addressed here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka itself. With this understanding let us proceed with our study of planet based prediction. The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat prajaptya, Saunaka hora etc addressed this question in detail - but unluckily we don't have those texts available now. But some slokas from those texts that deals with the same is available here and there in various texts - but ofcourse the same is not enough to discuss the subject in detail. The oldest text available to us today that deals with 2-planet combinations in detail is Meenaraja hora. Later Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa too quoted the same - while discussing this subject, which provides total authentic nature to these slokas. Considering the various versions of the same slokas given by these 3 texts (i.e. Meenaraja hora, Saravali, Jataka Saradeepa) we can discuss these slokas in detail. Another good resource is Brihajjataka of Varahamihira, which devotes a whole chapter for discussing 2 planet combinations. Two good commentaries of Brihajjataka vis, Hridyapadha and Vivarana can also help us much in arriving at the meaning and possibilities of these combinations. As we have clearly identified our resources to study and discuss the subject of 2-planet combinations, let us proceed with the same. Possibly the ancient texts such as Skanda hora was not even available to king Kalyana varma who wrote Saravali in 10th century AD. Possibly it is because of this that he had to refer to many slokas from Yavaneswara hora, Sphujidwaja hora, Meenaraja hora etc. But still he was of the opinion that these texts contain too much unnecessary information or unwanted phony quotes. That is why when he wrote Saravali he stated that - "Many great horas are written by the ancient sages. Mihira condensed its essence into a small book called Brihajjataka (I value that book and effort very much). But Brihajjataka alone is not enough to derive result regarding many results related to Yoga, Dasa, Divisions etc. Therefore I am writing this book - i.e. Saravali - brewing the essence of books in Yavana school of astrology and leaving the non-essential" It is considering this high opinion of Kalyanavarma about Brihajjataka, the text Saravali is given secondary importance only compared to Brihajjataka. Then the same is true for Kalyanavarma regarding Arsha school of astrology and Yavana school of astrology as well. He must have weighted the Arsha school high (based on which Brihajjataka originated) and Yavana school below it (based on which Saravali originated). But in any case these two books and these two schools are mutually complementing. If one school lost some knowledge, the other always helped us to locate the same some how. Therefore without competition, with due respect to proponents of Yavana school we should go through the quotes provided by Meenaraja, accepting the lesson taught by Saravali. It states - The results that should be attributed to 2-planet combinations is given also by Vridha Yavanacharya, i.e. Meenaraja. Collecting those slokas without any competition (i.e. not considering the results are told by Arsha school of astrology - which I trust most - or by Yavana school of astrology followed by Meenaraja) I am presenting the 2-planet combination results here, giving special importance to the views of Meenaraja - Meenaraja Hora Note that Saravali is written by king Kalyanavarma to complement Brihajjataka. Brihajjataka follow the path of Arsha school even though mentions the views of Yavanacharya here and there. Considering this even Saravali should be considered as a text that abides by the path shown by Arsha school itself. Even though Kalyanavarma collects many quotes from Yavanacharyas, if something told by the Yavana school is not in tune with the approach of Arsha school, Kalyanavarma will drop it for sure. This is fact to be remembered throughout while studying the quotes from the authentic book of astrology called Saravali. It is due to this very reason and systematic approach that the text medieval classic Saravali gained the utmost respect showered on it. Saravali is the most authentic and reliable text of astrology available to us after the period of Mihira and prior to the period of Acharya Balabhadra who wrote Horaratna. Thus our focal point to study the 2-planet combination is fixed - it is Meenaraja hora as suggested by Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa. Note that even though these quotes are from Meenaraja hora, the approach is part of the fundamental 7-fold result derivation system. Now let us go through the quotes given for various 2-planet combinations in all these texts mentioned above. Su-Mo When Sun is with Moon it is Amavasi, the new moon day. Moon or mind becomes weak - so if only the soul (Sun) is strong then only that individual can shine in some field. This is a combination that could make the native the most blessed one (no-mind, the enlightened) or weak mind that may mislead by all the worldly pleasures or superstitions. The combination itself is a double edged sword - with diametrically opposite possibilities. Let us see what Meenaraja has to say - If Sun and Moon are together, then the native would be addicted to women, will not be humble, will do secret things. He would be wealthy and would be much efficient in doing things. He may even become a liquor seller. - Meenaraja Hora Let us look for the logic behind these derivations - Addicted to, surrendered to, or working under women - caused by the weak and uncontrolled mind. Not humble - because it is Moon that signify simplicity and humbleness. Moon is weak means humbleness is lost. Amavasi is darkness, secretive nature, belief in the secret powers gained by black magic or devotion - yes it is Amavasi (the dark side of mind) - unconscious side - becomes the ruling force. If that is clean and consciousness is present there as well - then well and good, if not with a weak mind the dark side taking control over him he is prone to all kinds of superstitions and false beliefs. Here the planet involved is Moon signifying water, and moonlight combined with the illusion creating addictive forces signified by Amavasi. That is why the interest in liquor - a liquid that creates illusions and hallucinations, the addictive liquid. Moon signifies water pots, bottles - filled with acidic liquids, chemical liquids or medicine. So the Su-Mo combination can signify any such bottled items, its production or sale. It can also indicate addiction to such liquids or medicines - consumption of such liquids. He is `Koodakrit', i.e. efficient in creating Yantras. The prime meaning of the word Yantra is machine. If so the indicated result is that he would be a mechanic creating, organizing or arranging machine parts. But this word Yantra means the geometrical shapes drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses as well. When analyzed in combination with the mind after secret and dark forces - this meaning seems to be more appropriate. What however weak his mind would be - his soul and mind are together - Sun and Moon are together. He is not experiencing the split personality - where ever his mind is the soul, the consciousness too is there. His inner voice and mind are together - they are not separate. This is positive - a quality that helps him to excel in any work he indulges. Too many thoughts never disturb him - sleep is like death, and enjoyments acidic. That is why the derivation - he will excel in work. Because he is not much disturbed by the thoughts of past and future, or of the plans. He is don't think much - but usually like the animal which forgot to think, and because of an alert consciousness. Rule 1: While considering the 2-planet combinations, the results are derived by mixing the significance of both the planets under consideration. No other factors should be considered. Now let us see what Mihira has to say about this combination. If the Sun is with Moon, the native would a person constructs `Yantra' and `black stone structures'. - Brihat Jataka The prime meaning of the word `Yantra' is `machine'. There could be hundreds of people who took birth in Amavasi (Sun and Moon together) with this combination in their chart. All of them neither become a mechanic nor does they all have to work with stone or gravel. In my many years of experience as an astrologer I never saw this happening. Also note that Sun and Moon does not have anything to do with stones or machine. Actually Saturn is the significator of stones, stone structures. The significator of machines could be Saturn or Mars. Thus the question arises what is the actual or intended meaning of this sloka - for sure it is not about Machine and stone structures. Let us go a bit more deep into this sloka bit. As per the commentary of Brihat Jataka called `Vivarana' by Uzhutra Varyar, the meaning of these words are as follows - `Yantra' or Instruments means - Instruments or equipments used for operation or treatment i.e. medical equipments or instruments used measuring time such as watch etc, or various instruments or machines that are used to pump water etc. In general `Yantra' means instruments, equipments or machines that are used for various purposes. - Vivarana Here too the commentator is taking `Yantra' primarily to mean `machine' in various circumstances. But I am not satisfied with it - due to the reasons stated above. Earlier as per Meenaraja's words we already noted that the native with this combination, would be much interested in secret disciplines and dark forces, he might become interested in magic, tantric worship and idol worship. The word Yantra also means the geometrical shapes drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses etc. If would be more apt if we take the sloka of Mihira as re-stating the results told by Meenaraja - i.e. The native would be much interested in creating geometrical shapes drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses and the study of the same. Now coming to the word stone structures - stone is imperishable and of course the combination points to the constructive nature of the native. He is constructive and makes things more organized and systematic. His creations will with stand the tides of time - he is after making permanent monuments with his creative force which could defy time. Note that both Sun and Moon indicate time - and are the prime planets considered for Calendar calculations. The statement `he would be interested in creating sculptures' - does not mean that he would be doing a low paid low caste job - but instead points to his creative abilities in systematizing and organizing persistent structures. Thus I would translate the Mihira's words as - "If the Sun is with Moon, the native would be much interested in creating geometrical shapes drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses. As an individual with much creative, constructive, systematizing, organizing abilities he will try to create persistent structures which could withstand the turbulent flow of time". I think this meaning is more in tune with the words of Meenaraja and reflect the reality in a better way. Earlier we have seen that the 2-planet combination derives its results by mixing the significance assigned to both the planets under consideration. This helps us to formulate the next rule. Rule 2: The various results ascribed to 2-planet combinations in various books should be taken only as examples which shows us how to do the same. This is important - this means that out of the hundreds of results we can derive from a 2-planet combination, the books or available quotes just provide us one or two possible results - just to show how to do the same! What about the rest of the possibilities and significance? Yes, we have to combine them and arrive at sensible results that fits in well with reality observed. Can we show some more examples that achieves the same for this Sun-Moon combination itself? Let us try - * Sun signifies father and Moon mother. In the presents of Sun, Moon loses its power. Thus in the native's family and life, the Father would be the major influence and role model than the mother. * Sun signify Siva and Moon Sakti. Thus the combination can signify the Siva-Sakti, the male-female combination, the Yin-Yang. While considering gods or devatas this combination indicate `Ardha Nareeswara' (Half Siva half Parvati idol). * Sun is Siva and Moon is the sea shell. Thus the combination signify the presence of sea shell used to worship Siva for pouring water into the head of Siva idol in hindu temples. * Sun is fire and Moon is water. Thus the combination can signify any watery chemical with a burning nature - for example bottled acids. * Sun signify square and Moon circle. Thus the combination can signify the interest in various geometrical shapes like the octagon or the like. I hope you will come out with more such derivations - which reflect the truth and will show the actual results which are true in experience as well when applied to horoscopes. We will continue this discussion on two planet combinations in the coming days and explore more into the possibilities and compare the derivations with actual observed results. - Sreenadh ============================================================ I sincerely hope that following the above line of thinking a detailed analysis of 2-planet combinations would be done in the forum. Love, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Dear Finn ji, Thanks for the complement. Let us all together study these 2-planet combinations in detail - It is a very interesting subject. Love, Sreenadh , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > This is an excellent research. Please keep up the good work... > > Very friendly, > Finn Wandahl > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > The following is a write up that starts a discussion on 2-planet > > combinations. > > ==================================================== > > Two planet combinations > > ----- > > The first thing to know in this section is that these results are part > > of " results that should be derived considering planets alone " . > > i.e. It is part of " Planet based result derivation " which is > > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions such as `what > > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if if the > > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be addressed > > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka itself. With this > > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet based prediction. > > > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat prajaptya, Saunaka > > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but unluckily we don't > > have those texts available now. But some slokas from those texts that > > deals with the same is available here and there in various texts - but > > ofcourse the same is not enough to discuss the subject in detail. The > > oldest text available to us today that deals with 2-planet combinations > > in detail is Meenaraja hora. Later Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa too > > quoted the same - while discussing this subject, which provides total > > authentic nature to these slokas. Considering the various versions of > > the same slokas given by these 3 texts (i.e. Meenaraja hora, Saravali, > > Jataka Saradeepa) we can discuss these slokas in detail. Another good > > resource is Brihajjataka of Varahamihira, which devotes a whole chapter > > for discussing 2 planet combinations. Two good commentaries of > > Brihajjataka vis, Hridyapadha and Vivarana can also help us much in > > arriving at the meaning and possibilities of these combinations. As we > > have clearly identified our resources to study and discuss the subject > > of 2-planet combinations, let us proceed with the same. > > > > Possibly the ancient texts such as Skanda hora was not even available to > > king Kalyana varma who wrote Saravali in 10th century AD. Possibly it is > > because of this that he had to refer to many slokas from Yavaneswara > > hora, Sphujidwaja hora, Meenaraja hora etc. But still he was of the > > opinion that these texts contain too much unnecessary information or > > unwanted phony quotes. That is why when he wrote Saravali he stated that > > - > > > > " Many great horas are written by the ancient sages. Mihira condensed > > its essence into a small book called Brihajjataka (I value that book and > > effort very much). But Brihajjataka alone is not enough to derive result > > regarding many results related to Yoga, Dasa, Divisions etc. Therefore I > > am writing this book - i.e. Saravali - brewing the essence of books in > > Yavana school of astrology and leaving the non-essential " > > > > It is considering this high opinion of Kalyanavarma about Brihajjataka, > > the text Saravali is given secondary importance only compared to > > Brihajjataka. Then the same is true for Kalyanavarma regarding Arsha > > school of astrology and Yavana school of astrology as well. He must have > > weighted the Arsha school high (based on which Brihajjataka originated) > > and Yavana school below it (based on which Saravali originated). But in > > any case these two books and these two schools are mutually > > complementing. If one school lost some knowledge, the other always > > helped us to locate the same some how. Therefore without competition, > > with due respect to proponents of Yavana school we should go through the > > quotes provided by Meenaraja, accepting the lesson taught by Saravali. > > It states - > > > > The results that should be attributed to 2-planet combinations is given > > also by Vridha Yavanacharya, i.e. Meenaraja. Collecting those slokas > > without any competition (i.e. not considering the results are told by > > Arsha school of astrology - which I trust most - or by Yavana school of > > astrology followed by Meenaraja) I am presenting the 2-planet > > combination results here, giving special importance to the views of > > Meenaraja > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > Note that Saravali is written by king Kalyanavarma to complement > > Brihajjataka. Brihajjataka follow the path of Arsha school even though > > mentions the views of Yavanacharya here and there. Considering this even > > Saravali should be considered as a text that abides by the path shown > > by Arsha school itself. Even though Kalyanavarma collects many quotes > > from Yavanacharyas, if something told by the Yavana school is not in > > tune with the approach of Arsha school, Kalyanavarma will drop it for > > sure. This is fact to be remembered throughout while studying the quotes > > from the authentic book of astrology called Saravali. It is due to this > > very reason and systematic approach that the text medieval classic > > Saravali gained the utmost respect showered on it. Saravali is the most > > authentic and reliable text of astrology available to us after the > > period of Mihira and prior to the period of Acharya Balabhadra who wrote > > Horaratna. > > > > Thus our focal point to study the 2-planet combination is fixed - it is > > Meenaraja hora as suggested by Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa. Note that > > even though these quotes are from Meenaraja hora, the approach is part > > of the fundamental 7-fold result derivation system. Now let us go > > through the quotes given for various 2-planet combinations in all these > > texts mentioned above. > > > > Su-Mo > > > > When Sun is with Moon it is Amavasi, the new moon day. Moon or mind > > becomes weak - so if only the soul (Sun) is strong then only that > > individual can shine in some field. This is a combination that could > > make the native the most blessed one (no-mind, the enlightened) or weak > > mind that may mislead by all the worldly pleasures or superstitions. The > > combination itself is a double edged sword - with diametrically opposite > > possibilities. Let us see what Meenaraja has to say - > > > > If Sun and Moon are together, then the native would be addicted to > > women, will not be humble, will do secret things. He would be wealthy > > and would be much efficient in doing things. He may even become a liquor > > seller. > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > Let us look for the logic behind these derivations - Addicted to, > > surrendered to, or working under women - caused by the weak and > > uncontrolled mind. Not humble - because it is Moon that signify > > simplicity and humbleness. Moon is weak means humbleness is lost. > > Amavasi is darkness, secretive nature, belief in the secret powers > > gained by black magic or devotion - yes it is Amavasi (the dark side of > > mind) - unconscious side - becomes the ruling force. If that is clean > > and consciousness is present there as well - then well and good, if not > > with a weak mind the dark side taking control over him he is prone to > > all kinds of superstitions and false beliefs. Here the planet involved > > is Moon signifying water, and moonlight combined with the illusion > > creating addictive forces signified by Amavasi. That is why the interest > > in liquor - a liquid that creates illusions and hallucinations, the > > addictive liquid. Moon signifies water pots, bottles - filled with > > acidic liquids, chemical liquids or medicine. So the Su-Mo combination > > can signify any such bottled items, its production or sale. It can also > > indicate addiction to such liquids or medicines - consumption of such > > liquids. He is `Koodakrit', i.e. efficient in creating Yantras. > > The prime meaning of the word Yantra is machine. If so the indicated > > result is that he would be a mechanic creating, organizing or arranging > > machine parts. But this word Yantra means the geometrical shapes drawn > > in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses as > > well. When analyzed in combination with the mind after secret and dark > > forces - this meaning seems to be more appropriate. What however weak > > his mind would be - his soul and mind are together - Sun and Moon are > > together. He is not experiencing the split personality - where ever his > > mind is the soul, the consciousness too is there. His inner voice and > > mind are together - they are not separate. This is positive - a quality > > that helps him to excel in any work he indulges. Too many thoughts never > > disturb him - sleep is like death, and enjoyments acidic. That is why > > the derivation - he will excel in work. Because he is not much disturbed > > by the thoughts of past and future, or of the plans. He is don't > > think much - but usually like the animal which forgot to think, and > > because of an alert consciousness. > > > > Rule 1: While considering the 2-planet combinations, the results are > > derived by mixing the significance of both the planets under > > consideration. No other factors should be considered. > > > > Now let us see what Mihira has to say about this combination. > > > > If the Sun is with Moon, the native would a person constructs > > `Yantra' and `black stone structures'. > > > > - Brihat Jataka > > > > The prime meaning of the word `Yantra' is `machine'. > > There could be hundreds of people who took birth in Amavasi (Sun and > > Moon together) with this combination in their chart. All of them neither > > become a mechanic nor does they all have to work with stone or gravel. > > In my many years of experience as an astrologer I never saw this > > happening. Also note that Sun and Moon does not have anything to do with > > stones or machine. Actually Saturn is the significator of stones, stone > > structures. The significator of machines could be Saturn or Mars. Thus > > the question arises what is the actual or intended meaning of this sloka > > - for sure it is not about Machine and stone structures. Let us go a bit > > more deep into this sloka bit. > > > > As per the commentary of Brihat Jataka called `Vivarana' by > > Uzhutra Varyar, the meaning of these words are as follows - > > > > `Yantra' or Instruments means - Instruments or equipments used > > for operation or treatment i.e. medical equipments or instruments used > > measuring time such as watch etc, or various instruments or machines > > that are used to pump water etc. In general `Yantra' means > > instruments, equipments or machines that are used for various purposes. > > > > - Vivarana > > > > Here too the commentator is taking `Yantra' primarily to mean > > `machine' in various circumstances. But I am not satisfied with > > it - due to the reasons stated above. > > > > Earlier as per Meenaraja's words we already noted that the native > > with this combination, would be much interested in secret disciplines > > and dark forces, he might become interested in magic, tantric worship > > and idol worship. The word Yantra also means the geometrical shapes > > drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses > > etc. If would be more apt if we take the sloka of Mihira as re-stating > > the results told by Meenaraja - i.e. The native would be much interested > > in creating geometrical shapes drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to > > worship the gods and goddesses and the study of the same. > > > > Now coming to the word stone structures - stone is imperishable and of > > course the combination points to the constructive nature of the native. > > He is constructive and makes things more organized and systematic. His > > creations will with stand the tides of time - he is after making > > permanent monuments with his creative force which could defy time. Note > > that both Sun and Moon indicate time - and are the prime planets > > considered for Calendar calculations. The statement `he would be > > interested in creating sculptures' - does not mean that he would be > > doing a low paid low caste job - but instead points to his creative > > abilities in systematizing and organizing persistent structures. Thus I > > would translate the Mihira's words as - " If the Sun is with > > Moon, the native would be much interested in creating geometrical shapes > > drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and > > goddesses. As an individual with much creative, constructive, > > systematizing, organizing abilities he will try to create persistent > > structures which could withstand the turbulent flow of time " . I > > think this meaning is more in tune with the words of Meenaraja and > > reflect the reality in a better way. > > > > Earlier we have seen that the 2-planet combination derives its results > > by mixing the significance assigned to both the planets under > > consideration. This helps us to formulate the next rule. > > > > Rule 2: The various results ascribed to 2-planet combinations in various > > books should be taken only as examples which shows us how to do the > > same. > > > > This is important - this means that out of the hundreds of results we > > can derive from a 2-planet combination, the books or available quotes > > just provide us one or two possible results - just to show how to do the > > same! What about the rest of the possibilities and significance? Yes, we > > have to combine them and arrive at sensible results that fits in well > > with reality observed. Can we show some more examples that achieves the > > same for this Sun-Moon combination itself? Let us try - > > > > * Sun signifies father and Moon mother. In the presents of Sun, Moon > > loses its power. Thus in the native's family and life, the Father > > would be the major influence and role model than the mother. > > > > * Sun signify Siva and Moon Sakti. Thus the combination can signify the > > Siva-Sakti, the male-female combination, the Yin-Yang. While considering > > gods or devatas this combination indicate `Ardha Nareeswara' > > (Half Siva half Parvati idol). > > > > * Sun is Siva and Moon is the sea shell. Thus the combination signify > > the presence of sea shell used to worship Siva for pouring water into > > the head of Siva idol in hindu temples. > > > > * Sun is fire and Moon is water. Thus the combination can signify any > > watery chemical with a burning nature - for example bottled acids. > > > > * Sun signify square and Moon circle. Thus the combination can signify > > the interest in various geometrical shapes like the octagon or the like. > > > > I hope you will come out with more such derivations - which reflect the > > truth and will show the actual results which are true in experience as > > well when applied to horoscopes. > > > > We will continue this discussion on two planet combinations in the > > coming days and explore more into the possibilities and compare the > > derivations with actual observed results. > > - Sreenadh > > ============================================================ > > I sincerely hope that following the above line of thinking a detailed > > analysis of 2-planet combinations would be done in the forum. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 dear Mr. sreenadh, My son was born on Krishna chaturdasi where he has moon, sun, jupiter and merc in the fourth house with Lagna as kumbha. Sun is in 29degrees in rishaba as a matter of fact the next day ie Jun 15th 1977 it is amavasya where u find sun in gemini at 0 deg and moon in rishaba at 19deg. The only area of coincidence narrated from the text by u is he is more attached to me than to his mother. So on amavasya day sun and moon need not be in the same house. u can give ur comments. my son's dob is 14th jun 1977, 4.45pm, chennai. My late father was born on amavasya day ie on the day of deepavalli,in the year 1916. I dont have his chart nor do i have the time of birth. He was a very angry person and he had his factory manufacturing components for Bharath earth movers. he wasnt an engineering graduate, he completed only his schooling. Probably the narration of the native making tools fits him. good luck, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Gopu ji, Thanks for the inputs. As you pointed out - ==> > So on amavasya day sun and moon need not be in the > same house. <== But note the following points - * all the 2-planet combinations discussed apply exactly only when BOTH the planets are in the same sign/house (sign and house are the same) * We are NOT speaking about birth in Amasavi, but about the results that should be derived when Sun and Moon are together in the same sign (what ever the sign/house it be). Now coming to your concern - what if Sun and Moon are very close by, but in different signs/houses? Truly then the results differ much - and then we won't find much sage quotes to support our derivations. But the following points, out of my own experience as an astrologer, could be helpful, I believe - * The relation between the father and mother of that native may not be much satisfactory - i.e. opinion differences and occasional quarrels are possible. * At some point of time they may split up or prefer living in deferent places/houses. * At the later period of life the child may keep more connection with the mother, even though his father would be his roll model. * The father of the native in his later years may develop an extra relation. Note that I have no quotes to quote here, because all the 2-planet combinations mentioned by the sages apply ONLY WHEN both the planets are in the same Sign. Note: I would like you see your confirmation or denial of the above points - so that I can correct my views. If you don't want to express your views here contact me at sreesog(at) Love, Sreenadh , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear Mr. sreenadh, > My son was born on Krishna chaturdasi where he has > moon, sun, jupiter and merc in the fourth house with > Lagna as kumbha. Sun is in 29degrees in rishaba as a > matter of fact the next day ie Jun 15th 1977 it is > amavasya where u find sun in gemini at 0 deg and moon > in rishaba at 19deg. The only area of coincidence > narrated from the text by u is he is more attached to > me than to his mother. > So on amavasya day sun and moon need not be in the > same house. u can give ur comments. my son's dob is > 14th jun 1977, 4.45pm, chennai. > My late father was born on amavasya day ie on the day > of deepavalli,in the year 1916. I dont have his chart > nor do i have the time of birth. He was a very angry > person and he had his factory manufacturing components > for Bharath earth movers. he wasnt an engineering > graduate, he completed only his schooling. Probably > the narration of the native making tools fits him. > > good luck, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 dear shreenadh, since ur first mail specifically said that sun and moon in the same house and which signifies amayvasya, I brought to ur notice abt my son's horoscope. I can say that my son has been showering his affection to both of us(we are fortunate parents) but in subtle manner he takes my guidance more than that of his mother. Since he was born in the night at 10.45pm the moon is more powerful than the sun but yet his more closer to me than to his mother. He works at London and he is there with his wife. " The father of the native in his later years may develop an extra relation. " I am now 59yrs and retired from my job at the age of 58. so the above statement may not apply to me. But natives born on amavasya are to be studied they will be different than the ones born on other thithis. My IInd son was born in krishna chathurthi with moon in the 7th exalted and sun in thulam debilitated. He was more attached to me during his school and college days and after his stay in US for studies and currently in a job at US he is hostile to me and more attached to my wife. here the sun and moon are not in the same house. good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, >>* Sun is fire and Moon is water. Thus the combination can signify any watery chemical with a burning nature - for example bottled acids.<< Dealing with the five elements we may even go a step further. According to Vedanta the elemental cycle of creation runs: Ether - Air - Fire - Water - Earth, while the cycle of destruction runs in the reverse order: Earth - Water - Fire - Air - Ether. It therefore follows that Fire (Sun) creates Water (Moon), whereas Water (Moon) destroys Fire (Sun). This could perhaps help us understand statements like " ...the native would be addicted to women... " and " ...He may even become a liquor seller " etc. etc. This is merely a suggestion...:-) Very friendly, Finn Wandahl , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear All, > The following is a write up that starts a discussion on 2-planet > combinations. > ==================================================== > Two planet combinations > ----- > The first thing to know in this section is that these results are part > of " results that should be derived considering planets alone " . > i.e. It is part of " Planet based result derivation " which is > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions such as `what > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if if the > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be addressed > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka itself. With this > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet based prediction. > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat prajaptya, Saunaka > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but unluckily we don't > have those texts available now. But some slokas from those texts that > deals with the same is available here and there in various texts - but > ofcourse the same is not enough to discuss the subject in detail. The > oldest text available to us today that deals with 2-planet combinations > in detail is Meenaraja hora. Later Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa too > quoted the same - while discussing this subject, which provides total > authentic nature to these slokas. Considering the various versions of > the same slokas given by these 3 texts (i.e. Meenaraja hora, Saravali, > Jataka Saradeepa) we can discuss these slokas in detail. Another good > resource is Brihajjataka of Varahamihira, which devotes a whole chapter > for discussing 2 planet combinations. Two good commentaries of > Brihajjataka vis, Hridyapadha and Vivarana can also help us much in > arriving at the meaning and possibilities of these combinations. As we > have clearly identified our resources to study and discuss the subject > of 2-planet combinations, let us proceed with the same. > > Possibly the ancient texts such as Skanda hora was not even available to > king Kalyana varma who wrote Saravali in 10th century AD. Possibly it is > because of this that he had to refer to many slokas from Yavaneswara > hora, Sphujidwaja hora, Meenaraja hora etc. But still he was of the > opinion that these texts contain too much unnecessary information or > unwanted phony quotes. That is why when he wrote Saravali he stated that > - > > " Many great horas are written by the ancient sages. Mihira condensed > its essence into a small book called Brihajjataka (I value that book and > effort very much). But Brihajjataka alone is not enough to derive result > regarding many results related to Yoga, Dasa, Divisions etc. Therefore I > am writing this book - i.e. Saravali - brewing the essence of books in > Yavana school of astrology and leaving the non-essential " > > It is considering this high opinion of Kalyanavarma about Brihajjataka, > the text Saravali is given secondary importance only compared to > Brihajjataka. Then the same is true for Kalyanavarma regarding Arsha > school of astrology and Yavana school of astrology as well. He must have > weighted the Arsha school high (based on which Brihajjataka originated) > and Yavana school below it (based on which Saravali originated). But in > any case these two books and these two schools are mutually > complementing. If one school lost some knowledge, the other always > helped us to locate the same some how. Therefore without competition, > with due respect to proponents of Yavana school we should go through the > quotes provided by Meenaraja, accepting the lesson taught by Saravali. > It states - > > The results that should be attributed to 2-planet combinations is given > also by Vridha Yavanacharya, i.e. Meenaraja. Collecting those slokas > without any competition (i.e. not considering the results are told by > Arsha school of astrology - which I trust most - or by Yavana school of > astrology followed by Meenaraja) I am presenting the 2-planet > combination results here, giving special importance to the views of > Meenaraja > > - Meenaraja Hora > > Note that Saravali is written by king Kalyanavarma to complement > Brihajjataka. Brihajjataka follow the path of Arsha school even though > mentions the views of Yavanacharya here and there. Considering this even > Saravali should be considered as a text that abides by the path shown > by Arsha school itself. Even though Kalyanavarma collects many quotes > from Yavanacharyas, if something told by the Yavana school is not in > tune with the approach of Arsha school, Kalyanavarma will drop it for > sure. This is fact to be remembered throughout while studying the quotes > from the authentic book of astrology called Saravali. It is due to this > very reason and systematic approach that the text medieval classic > Saravali gained the utmost respect showered on it. Saravali is the most > authentic and reliable text of astrology available to us after the > period of Mihira and prior to the period of Acharya Balabhadra who wrote > Horaratna. > > Thus our focal point to study the 2-planet combination is fixed - it is > Meenaraja hora as suggested by Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa. Note that > even though these quotes are from Meenaraja hora, the approach is part > of the fundamental 7-fold result derivation system. Now let us go > through the quotes given for various 2-planet combinations in all these > texts mentioned above. > > Su-Mo > > When Sun is with Moon it is Amavasi, the new moon day. Moon or mind > becomes weak - so if only the soul (Sun) is strong then only that > individual can shine in some field. This is a combination that could > make the native the most blessed one (no-mind, the enlightened) or weak > mind that may mislead by all the worldly pleasures or superstitions. The > combination itself is a double edged sword - with diametrically opposite > possibilities. Let us see what Meenaraja has to say - > > If Sun and Moon are together, then the native would be addicted to > women, will not be humble, will do secret things. He would be wealthy > and would be much efficient in doing things. He may even become a liquor > seller. > > - Meenaraja Hora > > Let us look for the logic behind these derivations - Addicted to, > surrendered to, or working under women - caused by the weak and > uncontrolled mind. Not humble - because it is Moon that signify > simplicity and humbleness. Moon is weak means humbleness is lost. > Amavasi is darkness, secretive nature, belief in the secret powers > gained by black magic or devotion - yes it is Amavasi (the dark side of > mind) - unconscious side - becomes the ruling force. If that is clean > and consciousness is present there as well - then well and good, if not > with a weak mind the dark side taking control over him he is prone to > all kinds of superstitions and false beliefs. Here the planet involved > is Moon signifying water, and moonlight combined with the illusion > creating addictive forces signified by Amavasi. That is why the interest > in liquor - a liquid that creates illusions and hallucinations, the > addictive liquid. Moon signifies water pots, bottles - filled with > acidic liquids, chemical liquids or medicine. So the Su-Mo combination > can signify any such bottled items, its production or sale. It can also > indicate addiction to such liquids or medicines - consumption of such > liquids. He is `Koodakrit', i.e. efficient in creating Yantras. > The prime meaning of the word Yantra is machine. If so the indicated > result is that he would be a mechanic creating, organizing or arranging > machine parts. But this word Yantra means the geometrical shapes drawn > in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses as > well. When analyzed in combination with the mind after secret and dark > forces - this meaning seems to be more appropriate. What however weak > his mind would be - his soul and mind are together - Sun and Moon are > together. He is not experiencing the split personality - where ever his > mind is the soul, the consciousness too is there. His inner voice and > mind are together - they are not separate. This is positive - a quality > that helps him to excel in any work he indulges. Too many thoughts never > disturb him - sleep is like death, and enjoyments acidic. That is why > the derivation - he will excel in work. Because he is not much disturbed > by the thoughts of past and future, or of the plans. He is don't > think much - but usually like the animal which forgot to think, and > because of an alert consciousness. > > Rule 1: While considering the 2-planet combinations, the results are > derived by mixing the significance of both the planets under > consideration. No other factors should be considered. > > Now let us see what Mihira has to say about this combination. > > If the Sun is with Moon, the native would a person constructs > `Yantra' and `black stone structures'. > > - Brihat Jataka > > The prime meaning of the word `Yantra' is `machine'. > There could be hundreds of people who took birth in Amavasi (Sun and > Moon together) with this combination in their chart. All of them neither > become a mechanic nor does they all have to work with stone or gravel. > In my many years of experience as an astrologer I never saw this > happening. Also note that Sun and Moon does not have anything to do with > stones or machine. Actually Saturn is the significator of stones, stone > structures. The significator of machines could be Saturn or Mars. Thus > the question arises what is the actual or intended meaning of this sloka > - for sure it is not about Machine and stone structures. Let us go a bit > more deep into this sloka bit. > > As per the commentary of Brihat Jataka called `Vivarana' by > Uzhutra Varyar, the meaning of these words are as follows - > > `Yantra' or Instruments means - Instruments or equipments used > for operation or treatment i.e. medical equipments or instruments used > measuring time such as watch etc, or various instruments or machines > that are used to pump water etc. In general `Yantra' means > instruments, equipments or machines that are used for various purposes. > > - Vivarana > > Here too the commentator is taking `Yantra' primarily to mean > `machine' in various circumstances. But I am not satisfied with > it - due to the reasons stated above. > > Earlier as per Meenaraja's words we already noted that the native > with this combination, would be much interested in secret disciplines > and dark forces, he might become interested in magic, tantric worship > and idol worship. The word Yantra also means the geometrical shapes > drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses > etc. If would be more apt if we take the sloka of Mihira as re-stating > the results told by Meenaraja - i.e. The native would be much interested > in creating geometrical shapes drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to > worship the gods and goddesses and the study of the same. > > Now coming to the word stone structures - stone is imperishable and of > course the combination points to the constructive nature of the native. > He is constructive and makes things more organized and systematic. His > creations will with stand the tides of time - he is after making > permanent monuments with his creative force which could defy time. Note > that both Sun and Moon indicate time - and are the prime planets > considered for Calendar calculations. The statement `he would be > interested in creating sculptures' - does not mean that he would be > doing a low paid low caste job - but instead points to his creative > abilities in systematizing and organizing persistent structures. Thus I > would translate the Mihira's words as - " If the Sun is with > Moon, the native would be much interested in creating geometrical shapes > drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and > goddesses. As an individual with much creative, constructive, > systematizing, organizing abilities he will try to create persistent > structures which could withstand the turbulent flow of time " . I > think this meaning is more in tune with the words of Meenaraja and > reflect the reality in a better way. > > Earlier we have seen that the 2-planet combination derives its results > by mixing the significance assigned to both the planets under > consideration. This helps us to formulate the next rule. > > Rule 2: The various results ascribed to 2-planet combinations in various > books should be taken only as examples which shows us how to do the > same. > > This is important - this means that out of the hundreds of results we > can derive from a 2-planet combination, the books or available quotes > just provide us one or two possible results - just to show how to do the > same! What about the rest of the possibilities and significance? Yes, we > have to combine them and arrive at sensible results that fits in well > with reality observed. Can we show some more examples that achieves the > same for this Sun-Moon combination itself? Let us try - > > * Sun signifies father and Moon mother. In the presents of Sun, Moon > loses its power. Thus in the native's family and life, the Father > would be the major influence and role model than the mother. > > * Sun signify Siva and Moon Sakti. Thus the combination can signify the > Siva-Sakti, the male-female combination, the Yin-Yang. While considering > gods or devatas this combination indicate `Ardha Nareeswara' > (Half Siva half Parvati idol). > > * Sun is Siva and Moon is the sea shell. Thus the combination signify > the presence of sea shell used to worship Siva for pouring water into > the head of Siva idol in hindu temples. > > * Sun is fire and Moon is water. Thus the combination can signify any > watery chemical with a burning nature - for example bottled acids. > > * Sun signify square and Moon circle. Thus the combination can signify > the interest in various geometrical shapes like the octagon or the like. > > I hope you will come out with more such derivations - which reflect the > truth and will show the actual results which are true in experience as > well when applied to horoscopes. > > We will continue this discussion on two planet combinations in the > coming days and explore more into the possibilities and compare the > derivations with actual observed results. > - Sreenadh > ============================================================ > I sincerely hope that following the above line of thinking a detailed > analysis of 2-planet combinations would be done in the forum. > Love, > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Sreendh, Interesting explantion! I would like to share a case with Sun and Moon is in the same sign. This is a girl whom I know very well. The birth has taken place during Krishna Trayodashi (night birth) and yet both Sun and Moon are in the same sign: Lagna: Kumbha Sun and Moon are in the 5th house. Moon: 1 Gem 49 Sun: 29 Gem 27 (using Lahiri Ayanamsa) This girl is much closer to her mother. Her parents have good relationship with each other. This girl is married and has a child and is a homemaker. Probably, the distance between Sun and Moon makes it not a typical case and what is given in the ancient texts may not apply to this case. What do you think? Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear All, > The following is a write up that starts a discussion on > 2-planet > combinations. > ==================================================== > Two planet combinations > ----- > The first thing to know in this section is that these results > are part > of " results that should be derived considering planets > alone " . > i.e. It is part of " Planet based result derivation " which is > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions such as > `what > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if if the > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be addressed > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka itself. With > this > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet based > prediction. > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat > prajaptya, Saunaka > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but unluckily we > don't > have those texts available now. But some slokas from those > texts that > deals with the same is available here and there in various > texts - but > ofcourse the same is not enough to discuss the subject in > detail. The > oldest text available to us today that deals with 2-planet > combinations > in detail is Meenaraja hora. Later Saravali and Jataka > Saradeepa too > quoted the same - while discussing this subject, which > provides total > authentic nature to these slokas. Considering the various > versions of > the same slokas given by these 3 texts (i.e. Meenaraja hora, > Saravali, > Jataka Saradeepa) we can discuss these slokas in detail. > Another good > resource is Brihajjataka of Varahamihira, which devotes a > whole chapter > for discussing 2 planet combinations. Two good commentaries of > Brihajjataka vis, Hridyapadha and Vivarana can also help us > much in > arriving at the meaning and possibilities of these > combinations. As we > have clearly identified our resources to study and discuss the > subject > of 2-planet combinations, let us proceed with the same. > > Possibly the ancient texts such as Skanda hora was not even > available to > king Kalyana varma who wrote Saravali in 10th century AD. > Possibly it is > because of this that he had to refer to many slokas from > Yavaneswara > hora, Sphujidwaja hora, Meenaraja hora etc. But still he was > of the > opinion that these texts contain too much unnecessary > information or > unwanted phony quotes. That is why when he wrote Saravali he > stated that > - > > " Many great horas are written by the ancient sages. Mihira > condensed > its essence into a small book called Brihajjataka (I value > that book and > effort very much). But Brihajjataka alone is not enough to > derive result > regarding many results related to Yoga, Dasa, Divisions etc. > Therefore I > am writing this book - i.e. Saravali - brewing the essence of > books in > Yavana school of astrology and leaving the non-essential " > > It is considering this high opinion of Kalyanavarma about > Brihajjataka, > the text Saravali is given secondary importance only compared > to > Brihajjataka. Then the same is true for Kalyanavarma regarding > Arsha > school of astrology and Yavana school of astrology as well. He > must have > weighted the Arsha school high (based on which Brihajjataka > originated) > and Yavana school below it (based on which Saravali > originated). But in > any case these two books and these two schools are mutually > complementing. If one school lost some knowledge, the other > always > helped us to locate the same some how. Therefore without > competition, > with due respect to proponents of Yavana school we should go > through the > quotes provided by Meenaraja, accepting the lesson taught by > Saravali. > It states - > > The results that should be attributed to 2-planet combinations > is given > also by Vridha Yavanacharya, i.e. Meenaraja. Collecting those > slokas > without any competition (i.e. not considering the results are > told by > Arsha school of astrology - which I trust most - or by Yavana > school of > astrology followed by Meenaraja) I am presenting the 2-planet > combination results here, giving special importance to the > views of > Meenaraja > > - Meenaraja Hora > > Note that Saravali is written by king Kalyanavarma to > complement > Brihajjataka. Brihajjataka follow the path of Arsha school > even though > mentions the views of Yavanacharya here and there. Considering > this even > Saravali should be considered as a text that abides by the > path shown > by Arsha school itself. Even though Kalyanavarma collects many > quotes > from Yavanacharyas, if something told by the Yavana school is > not in > tune with the approach of Arsha school, Kalyanavarma will drop > it for > sure. This is fact to be remembered throughout while studying > the quotes > from the authentic book of astrology called Saravali. It is > due to this > very reason and systematic approach that the text medieval > classic > Saravali gained the utmost respect showered on it. Saravali is > the most > authentic and reliable text of astrology available to us after > the > period of Mihira and prior to the period of Acharya Balabhadra > who wrote > Horaratna. > > Thus our focal point to study the 2-planet combination is > fixed - it is > Meenaraja hora as suggested by Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa. > Note that > even though these quotes are from Meenaraja hora, the approach > is part > of the fundamental 7-fold result derivation system. Now let us > go > through the quotes given for various 2-planet combinations in > all these > texts mentioned above. > > Su-Mo > > When Sun is with Moon it is Amavasi, the new moon day. Moon or > mind > becomes weak - so if only the soul (Sun) is strong then only > that > individual can shine in some field. This is a combination that > could > make the native the most blessed one (no-mind, the > enlightened) or weak > mind that may mislead by all the worldly pleasures or > superstitions. The > combination itself is a double edged sword - with > diametrically opposite > possibilities. Let us see what Meenaraja has to say - > > If Sun and Moon are together, then the native would be > addicted to > women, will not be humble, will do secret things. He would be > wealthy > and would be much efficient in doing things. He may even > become a liquor > seller. > > - Meenaraja Hora > > Let us look for the logic behind these derivations - Addicted > to, > surrendered to, or working under women - caused by the weak > and > uncontrolled mind. Not humble - because it is Moon that > signify > simplicity and humbleness. Moon is weak means humbleness is > lost. > Amavasi is darkness, secretive nature, belief in the secret > powers > gained by black magic or devotion - yes it is Amavasi (the > dark side of > mind) - unconscious side - becomes the ruling force. If that > is clean > and consciousness is present there as well - then well and > good, if not > with a weak mind the dark side taking control over him he is > prone === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Finn ji, Thanks - nice input. Love, Sreenadh , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > >>* Sun is fire and Moon is water. Thus the combination can signify > any watery chemical with a burning nature - for example bottled acids.<< > > Dealing with the five elements we may even go a step further. > According to Vedanta the elemental cycle of creation runs: Ether - Air > - Fire - Water - Earth, while the cycle of destruction runs in the > reverse order: Earth - Water - Fire - Air - Ether. > > It therefore follows that Fire (Sun) creates Water (Moon), whereas > Water (Moon) destroys Fire (Sun). > > This could perhaps help us understand statements like " ...the native > would be addicted to women... " and " ...He may even become a liquor > seller " etc. etc. > > This is merely a suggestion...:-) > > Very friendly, > Finn Wandahl > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > The following is a write up that starts a discussion on 2- planet > > combinations. > > ==================================================== > > Two planet combinations > > ----- > > The first thing to know in this section is that these results are part > > of " results that should be derived considering planets alone " . > > i.e. It is part of " Planet based result derivation " which is > > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions such as `what > > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if if the > > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be addressed > > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka itself. With this > > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet based prediction. > > > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat prajaptya, Saunaka > > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but unluckily we don't > > have those texts available now. But some slokas from those texts that > > deals with the same is available here and there in various texts - but > > ofcourse the same is not enough to discuss the subject in detail. The > > oldest text available to us today that deals with 2-planet combinations > > in detail is Meenaraja hora. Later Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa too > > quoted the same - while discussing this subject, which provides total > > authentic nature to these slokas. Considering the various versions of > > the same slokas given by these 3 texts (i.e. Meenaraja hora, Saravali, > > Jataka Saradeepa) we can discuss these slokas in detail. Another good > > resource is Brihajjataka of Varahamihira, which devotes a whole chapter > > for discussing 2 planet combinations. Two good commentaries of > > Brihajjataka vis, Hridyapadha and Vivarana can also help us much in > > arriving at the meaning and possibilities of these combinations. As we > > have clearly identified our resources to study and discuss the subject > > of 2-planet combinations, let us proceed with the same. > > > > Possibly the ancient texts such as Skanda hora was not even available to > > king Kalyana varma who wrote Saravali in 10th century AD. Possibly it is > > because of this that he had to refer to many slokas from Yavaneswara > > hora, Sphujidwaja hora, Meenaraja hora etc. But still he was of the > > opinion that these texts contain too much unnecessary information or > > unwanted phony quotes. That is why when he wrote Saravali he stated that > > - > > > > " Many great horas are written by the ancient sages. Mihira condensed > > its essence into a small book called Brihajjataka (I value that book and > > effort very much). But Brihajjataka alone is not enough to derive result > > regarding many results related to Yoga, Dasa, Divisions etc. Therefore I > > am writing this book - i.e. Saravali - brewing the essence of books in > > Yavana school of astrology and leaving the non-essential " > > > > It is considering this high opinion of Kalyanavarma about Brihajjataka, > > the text Saravali is given secondary importance only compared to > > Brihajjataka. Then the same is true for Kalyanavarma regarding Arsha > > school of astrology and Yavana school of astrology as well. He must have > > weighted the Arsha school high (based on which Brihajjataka originated) > > and Yavana school below it (based on which Saravali originated). But in > > any case these two books and these two schools are mutually > > complementing. If one school lost some knowledge, the other always > > helped us to locate the same some how. Therefore without competition, > > with due respect to proponents of Yavana school we should go through the > > quotes provided by Meenaraja, accepting the lesson taught by Saravali. > > It states - > > > > The results that should be attributed to 2-planet combinations is given > > also by Vridha Yavanacharya, i.e. Meenaraja. Collecting those slokas > > without any competition (i.e. not considering the results are told by > > Arsha school of astrology - which I trust most - or by Yavana school of > > astrology followed by Meenaraja) I am presenting the 2-planet > > combination results here, giving special importance to the views of > > Meenaraja > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > Note that Saravali is written by king Kalyanavarma to complement > > Brihajjataka. Brihajjataka follow the path of Arsha school even though > > mentions the views of Yavanacharya here and there. Considering this even > > Saravali should be considered as a text that abides by the path shown > > by Arsha school itself. Even though Kalyanavarma collects many quotes > > from Yavanacharyas, if something told by the Yavana school is not in > > tune with the approach of Arsha school, Kalyanavarma will drop it for > > sure. This is fact to be remembered throughout while studying the quotes > > from the authentic book of astrology called Saravali. It is due to this > > very reason and systematic approach that the text medieval classic > > Saravali gained the utmost respect showered on it. Saravali is the most > > authentic and reliable text of astrology available to us after the > > period of Mihira and prior to the period of Acharya Balabhadra who wrote > > Horaratna. > > > > Thus our focal point to study the 2-planet combination is fixed - it is > > Meenaraja hora as suggested by Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa. Note that > > even though these quotes are from Meenaraja hora, the approach is part > > of the fundamental 7-fold result derivation system. Now let us go > > through the quotes given for various 2-planet combinations in all these > > texts mentioned above. > > > > Su-Mo > > > > When Sun is with Moon it is Amavasi, the new moon day. Moon or mind > > becomes weak - so if only the soul (Sun) is strong then only that > > individual can shine in some field. This is a combination that could > > make the native the most blessed one (no-mind, the enlightened) or weak > > mind that may mislead by all the worldly pleasures or superstitions. The > > combination itself is a double edged sword - with diametrically opposite > > possibilities. Let us see what Meenaraja has to say - > > > > If Sun and Moon are together, then the native would be addicted to > > women, will not be humble, will do secret things. He would be wealthy > > and would be much efficient in doing things. He may even become a liquor > > seller. > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > Let us look for the logic behind these derivations - Addicted to, > > surrendered to, or working under women - caused by the weak and > > uncontrolled mind. Not humble - because it is Moon that signify > > simplicity and humbleness. Moon is weak means humbleness is lost. > > Amavasi is darkness, secretive nature, belief in the secret powers > > gained by black magic or devotion - yes it is Amavasi (the dark side of > > mind) - unconscious side - becomes the ruling force. If that is clean > > and consciousness is present there as well - then well and good, if not > > with a weak mind the dark side taking control over him he is prone to > > all kinds of superstitions and false beliefs. Here the planet involved > > is Moon signifying water, and moonlight combined with the illusion > > creating addictive forces signified by Amavasi. That is why the interest > > in liquor - a liquid that creates illusions and hallucinations, the > > addictive liquid. Moon signifies water pots, bottles - filled with > > acidic liquids, chemical liquids or medicine. So the Su-Mo combination > > can signify any such bottled items, its production or sale. It can also > > indicate addiction to such liquids or medicines - consumption of such > > liquids. He is `Koodakrit', i.e. efficient in creating Yantras. > > The prime meaning of the word Yantra is machine. If so the indicated > > result is that he would be a mechanic creating, organizing or arranging > > machine parts. But this word Yantra means the geometrical shapes drawn > > in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses as > > well. When analyzed in combination with the mind after secret and dark > > forces - this meaning seems to be more appropriate. What however weak > > his mind would be - his soul and mind are together - Sun and Moon are > > together. He is not experiencing the split personality - where ever his > > mind is the soul, the consciousness too is there. His inner voice and > > mind are together - they are not separate. This is positive - a quality > > that helps him to excel in any work he indulges. Too many thoughts never > > disturb him - sleep is like death, and enjoyments acidic. That is why > > the derivation - he will excel in work. Because he is not much disturbed > > by the thoughts of past and future, or of the plans. He is don't > > think much - but usually like the animal which forgot to think, and > > because of an alert consciousness. > > > > Rule 1: While considering the 2-planet combinations, the results are > > derived by mixing the significance of both the planets under > > consideration. No other factors should be considered. > > > > Now let us see what Mihira has to say about this combination. > > > > If the Sun is with Moon, the native would a person constructs > > `Yantra' and `black stone structures'. > > > > - Brihat Jataka > > > > The prime meaning of the word `Yantra' is `machine'. > > There could be hundreds of people who took birth in Amavasi (Sun and > > Moon together) with this combination in their chart. All of them neither > > become a mechanic nor does they all have to work with stone or gravel. > > In my many years of experience as an astrologer I never saw this > > happening. Also note that Sun and Moon does not have anything to do with > > stones or machine. Actually Saturn is the significator of stones, stone > > structures. The significator of machines could be Saturn or Mars. Thus > > the question arises what is the actual or intended meaning of this sloka > > - for sure it is not about Machine and stone structures. Let us go a bit > > more deep into this sloka bit. > > > > As per the commentary of Brihat Jataka called `Vivarana' by > > Uzhutra Varyar, the meaning of these words are as follows - > > > > `Yantra' or Instruments means - Instruments or equipments used > > for operation or treatment i.e. medical equipments or instruments used > > measuring time such as watch etc, or various instruments or machines > > that are used to pump water etc. In general `Yantra' means > > instruments, equipments or machines that are used for various purposes. > > > > - Vivarana > > > > Here too the commentator is taking `Yantra' primarily to mean > > `machine' in various circumstances. But I am not satisfied with > > it - due to the reasons stated above. > > > > Earlier as per Meenaraja's words we already noted that the native > > with this combination, would be much interested in secret disciplines > > and dark forces, he might become interested in magic, tantric worship > > and idol worship. The word Yantra also means the geometrical shapes > > drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and goddesses > > etc. If would be more apt if we take the sloka of Mihira as re- stating > > the results told by Meenaraja - i.e. The native would be much interested > > in creating geometrical shapes drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to > > worship the gods and goddesses and the study of the same. > > > > Now coming to the word stone structures - stone is imperishable and of > > course the combination points to the constructive nature of the native. > > He is constructive and makes things more organized and systematic. His > > creations will with stand the tides of time - he is after making > > permanent monuments with his creative force which could defy time. Note > > that both Sun and Moon indicate time - and are the prime planets > > considered for Calendar calculations. The statement `he would be > > interested in creating sculptures' - does not mean that he would be > > doing a low paid low caste job - but instead points to his creative > > abilities in systematizing and organizing persistent structures. Thus I > > would translate the Mihira's words as - " If the Sun is with > > Moon, the native would be much interested in creating geometrical shapes > > drawn in gold, silver or copper plates to worship the gods and > > goddesses. As an individual with much creative, constructive, > > systematizing, organizing abilities he will try to create persistent > > structures which could withstand the turbulent flow of time " . I > > think this meaning is more in tune with the words of Meenaraja and > > reflect the reality in a better way. > > > > Earlier we have seen that the 2-planet combination derives its results > > by mixing the significance assigned to both the planets under > > consideration. This helps us to formulate the next rule. > > > > Rule 2: The various results ascribed to 2-planet combinations in various > > books should be taken only as examples which shows us how to do the > > same. > > > > This is important - this means that out of the hundreds of results we > > can derive from a 2-planet combination, the books or available quotes > > just provide us one or two possible results - just to show how to do the > > same! What about the rest of the possibilities and significance? Yes, we > > have to combine them and arrive at sensible results that fits in well > > with reality observed. Can we show some more examples that achieves the > > same for this Sun-Moon combination itself? Let us try - > > > > * Sun signifies father and Moon mother. In the presents of Sun, Moon > > loses its power. Thus in the native's family and life, the Father > > would be the major influence and role model than the mother. > > > > * Sun signify Siva and Moon Sakti. Thus the combination can signify the > > Siva-Sakti, the male-female combination, the Yin-Yang. While considering > > gods or devatas this combination indicate `Ardha Nareeswara' > > (Half Siva half Parvati idol). > > > > * Sun is Siva and Moon is the sea shell. Thus the combination signify > > the presence of sea shell used to worship Siva for pouring water into > > the head of Siva idol in hindu temples. > > > > * Sun is fire and Moon is water. Thus the combination can signify any > > watery chemical with a burning nature - for example bottled acids. > > > > * Sun signify square and Moon circle. Thus the combination can signify > > the interest in various geometrical shapes like the octagon or the like. > > > > I hope you will come out with more such derivations - which reflect the > > truth and will show the actual results which are true in experience as > > well when applied to horoscopes. > > > > We will continue this discussion on two planet combinations in the > > coming days and explore more into the possibilities and compare the > > derivations with actual observed results. > > - Sreenadh > > ============================================================ > > I sincerely hope that following the above line of thinking a detailed > > analysis of 2-planet combinations would be done in the forum. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then we will look into the charts with that combination. [As you know, I don't like spending too much time on specific charts ] But here the point is the discussion is not yet complete. Love, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sreendh, > > Interesting explantion! I would like to share a case with Sun > and Moon is in the same sign. This is a girl whom I know very > well. The birth has taken place during Krishna Trayodashi (night > birth) and yet both Sun and Moon are in the same sign: > > Lagna: Kumbha > > Sun and Moon are in the 5th house. > > Moon: 1 Gem 49 > Sun: 29 Gem 27 > > (using Lahiri Ayanamsa) > > This girl is much closer to her mother. Her parents have good > relationship with each other. This girl is married and has a > child and is a homemaker. > > Probably, the distance between Sun and Moon makes it not a > typical case and what is given in the ancient texts may not > apply to this case. > > What do you think? > > Regards, > Krishna > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear All, > > The following is a write up that starts a discussion on > > 2-planet > > combinations. > > ==================================================== > > Two planet combinations > > ----- > > The first thing to know in this section is that these results > > are part > > of " results that should be derived considering planets > > alone " . > > i.e. It is part of " Planet based result derivation " which is > > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions such as > > `what > > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if if the > > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be addressed > > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka itself. With > > this > > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet based > > prediction. > > > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat > > prajaptya, Saunaka > > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but unluckily we > > don't > > have those texts available now. But some slokas from those > > texts that > > deals with the same is available here and there in various > > texts - but > > ofcourse the same is not enough to discuss the subject in > > detail. The > > oldest text available to us today that deals with 2-planet > > combinations > > in detail is Meenaraja hora. Later Saravali and Jataka > > Saradeepa too > > quoted the same - while discussing this subject, which > > provides total > > authentic nature to these slokas. Considering the various > > versions of > > the same slokas given by these 3 texts (i.e. Meenaraja hora, > > Saravali, > > Jataka Saradeepa) we can discuss these slokas in detail. > > Another good > > resource is Brihajjataka of Varahamihira, which devotes a > > whole chapter > > for discussing 2 planet combinations. Two good commentaries of > > Brihajjataka vis, Hridyapadha and Vivarana can also help us > > much in > > arriving at the meaning and possibilities of these > > combinations. As we > > have clearly identified our resources to study and discuss the > > subject > > of 2-planet combinations, let us proceed with the same. > > > > Possibly the ancient texts such as Skanda hora was not even > > available to > > king Kalyana varma who wrote Saravali in 10th century AD. > > Possibly it is > > because of this that he had to refer to many slokas from > > Yavaneswara > > hora, Sphujidwaja hora, Meenaraja hora etc. But still he was > > of the > > opinion that these texts contain too much unnecessary > > information or > > unwanted phony quotes. That is why when he wrote Saravali he > > stated that > > - > > > > " Many great horas are written by the ancient sages. Mihira > > condensed > > its essence into a small book called Brihajjataka (I value > > that book and > > effort very much). But Brihajjataka alone is not enough to > > derive result > > regarding many results related to Yoga, Dasa, Divisions etc. > > Therefore I > > am writing this book - i.e. Saravali - brewing the essence of > > books in > > Yavana school of astrology and leaving the non-essential " > > > > It is considering this high opinion of Kalyanavarma about > > Brihajjataka, > > the text Saravali is given secondary importance only compared > > to > > Brihajjataka. Then the same is true for Kalyanavarma regarding > > Arsha > > school of astrology and Yavana school of astrology as well. He > > must have > > weighted the Arsha school high (based on which Brihajjataka > > originated) > > and Yavana school below it (based on which Saravali > > originated). But in > > any case these two books and these two schools are mutually > > complementing. If one school lost some knowledge, the other > > always > > helped us to locate the same some how. Therefore without > > competition, > > with due respect to proponents of Yavana school we should go > > through the > > quotes provided by Meenaraja, accepting the lesson taught by > > Saravali. > > It states - > > > > The results that should be attributed to 2-planet combinations > > is given > > also by Vridha Yavanacharya, i.e. Meenaraja. Collecting those > > slokas > > without any competition (i.e. not considering the results are > > told by > > Arsha school of astrology - which I trust most - or by Yavana > > school of > > astrology followed by Meenaraja) I am presenting the 2-planet > > combination results here, giving special importance to the > > views of > > Meenaraja > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > Note that Saravali is written by king Kalyanavarma to > > complement > > Brihajjataka. Brihajjataka follow the path of Arsha school > > even though > > mentions the views of Yavanacharya here and there. Considering > > this even > > Saravali should be considered as a text that abides by the > > path shown > > by Arsha school itself. Even though Kalyanavarma collects many > > quotes > > from Yavanacharyas, if something told by the Yavana school is > > not in > > tune with the approach of Arsha school, Kalyanavarma will drop > > it for > > sure. This is fact to be remembered throughout while studying > > the quotes > > from the authentic book of astrology called Saravali. It is > > due to this > > very reason and systematic approach that the text medieval > > classic > > Saravali gained the utmost respect showered on it. Saravali is > > the most > > authentic and reliable text of astrology available to us after > > the > > period of Mihira and prior to the period of Acharya Balabhadra > > who wrote > > Horaratna. > > > > Thus our focal point to study the 2-planet combination is > > fixed - it is > > Meenaraja hora as suggested by Saravali and Jataka Saradeepa. > > Note that > > even though these quotes are from Meenaraja hora, the approach > > is part > > of the fundamental 7-fold result derivation system. Now let us > > go > > through the quotes given for various 2-planet combinations in > > all these > > texts mentioned above. > > > > Su-Mo > > > > When Sun is with Moon it is Amavasi, the new moon day. Moon or > > mind > > becomes weak - so if only the soul (Sun) is strong then only > > that > > individual can shine in some field. This is a combination that > > could > > make the native the most blessed one (no-mind, the > > enlightened) or weak > > mind that may mislead by all the worldly pleasures or > > superstitions. The > > combination itself is a double edged sword - with > > diametrically opposite > > possibilities. Let us see what Meenaraja has to say - > > > > If Sun and Moon are together, then the native would be > > addicted to > > women, will not be humble, will do secret things. He would be > > wealthy > > and would be much efficient in doing things. He may even > > become a liquor > > seller. > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > Let us look for the logic behind these derivations - Addicted > > to, > > surrendered to, or working under women - caused by the weak > > and > > uncontrolled mind. Not humble - because it is Moon that > > signify > > simplicity and humbleness. Moon is weak means humbleness is > > lost. > > Amavasi is darkness, secretive nature, belief in the secret > > powers > > gained by black magic or devotion - yes it is Amavasi (the > > dark side of > > mind) - unconscious side - becomes the ruling force. If that > > is clean > > and consciousness is present there as well - then well and > > good, if not > > with a weak mind the dark side taking control over him he is > > prone > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Sreenadh ji, As you wish. In my opinion, it is important to spend good amount of time on reading charts. Charts reflect the Truth! Again, opinions differ from individual to individual. I clearly understand that. Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Krishna ji, > First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo combination > (It is not > complete yet). And then we will look into the charts with that > combination. [As you know, I don't like spending too much time > on > specific charts ] But here the point is the discussion is > not yet > complete. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Sreendh, > > > > Interesting explantion! I would like to share a case with > Sun > > and Moon is in the same sign. This is a girl whom I know > very > > well. The birth has taken place during Krishna Trayodashi > (night > > birth) and yet both Sun and Moon are in the same sign: > > > > Lagna: Kumbha > > > > Sun and Moon are in the 5th house. > > > > Moon: 1 Gem 49 > > Sun: 29 Gem 27 > > > > (using Lahiri Ayanamsa) > > > > This girl is much closer to her mother. Her parents have > good > > relationship with each other. This girl is married and has a > > child and is a homemaker. > > > > Probably, the distance between Sun and Moon makes it not a > > typical case and what is given in the ancient texts may not > > apply to this case. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > The following is a write up that starts a discussion > on > > > 2-planet > > > combinations. > > > ==================================================== > > > Two planet combinations > > > ----- > > > The first thing to know in this section is that these > results > > > are part > > > of " results that should be derived considering planets > > > alone " . > > > i.e. It is part of " Planet based result derivation " which > is > > > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions such > as > > > `what > > > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if if > the > > > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be > addressed > > > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka itself. > With > > > this > > > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet > based > > > prediction. > > > > > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat > > > prajaptya, Saunaka > > > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but unluckily > we > > > don't > > > have those texts available now. But some slokas from those > > > texts that > > > deals with the same is available here and there in various > > > texts - but > > > ofcourse the same is not enough to discuss the subject in > > > detail. The > > > oldest text available to us today that deals with 2-planet > > > combinations > > > in detail is Meenaraja hora. Later Saravali and Jataka > > > Saradeepa too > > > quoted the same - while discussing this subject, which > > > provides total > > > authentic nature to these slokas. Considering the various > > > versions of > > > the same slokas given by these 3 texts (i.e. Meenaraja > hora, > > > Saravali, > > > Jataka Saradeepa) we can discuss these slokas in detail. > > > Another good > > > resource is Brihajjataka of Varahamihira, which devotes a > > > whole chapter > > > for discussing 2 planet combinations. Two good > commentaries of > > > Brihajjataka vis, Hridyapadha and Vivarana can also help > us > > > much in > > > arriving at the meaning and possibilities of these > > > combinations. As we > > > have clearly identified our resources to study and discuss > the > > > subject > > > of 2-planet combinations, let us proceed with the same. > > > > > > Possibly the ancient texts such as Skanda hora was not > even > > > available to > > > king Kalyana varma who wrote Saravali in 10th century AD. > > > Possibly it is > > > because of this that he had to refer to many slokas from > > > Yavaneswara > > > hora, Sphujidwaja hora, Meenaraja hora etc. But still he > was > > > of the > > > opinion that these texts contain too much unnecessary > > > information or > > > unwanted phony quotes. That is why when he wrote Saravali > he > > > stated that > > > - > > > > > > " Many great horas are written by the ancient sages. Mihira > > > condensed > > > its essence into a small book called Brihajjataka (I value > > > that book and > > > effort very much). But Brihajjataka alone is not enough to > > > derive result > > > regarding many results related to Yoga, Dasa, Divisions > etc. > > > Therefore I > > > am writing this book - i.e. Saravali - brewing the essence > of > > > books in > > > Yavana school of astrology and leaving the non-essential " > > > > > > It is considering this high opinion of Kalyanavarma about > > > Brihajjataka, > > > the text Saravali is given secondary importance only > compared > > > to > > > Brihajjataka. Then the same is true for Kalyanavarma > regarding > > > Arsha > > > school of astrology and Yavana school of astrology as > well. He > > > must have > > > weighted the Arsha school high (based on which > Brihajjataka > > > originated) > > > and Yavana school below it (based on which Saravali > > > originated). But in > > > any case these two books and these two schools are > mutually > > > complementing. If one school lost some knowledge, the > other > > > always > > > helped us to locate the same some how. Therefore without > > > competition, > > > with due respect to proponents of Yavana school we should > go > > > through the > > > quotes provided by Meenaraja, accepting the lesson taught > by > > > Saravali. > > > It states - > > > > > > The results that should be attributed to 2-planet > combinations > > > is given > > > also by Vridha Yavanacharya, i.e. Meenaraja. Collecting > those > > > slokas > > > without any competition (i.e. not considering the results > are > > > told by > > > Arsha school of astrology - which I trust most - or by > Yavana > > > school of > > > astrology followed by Meenaraja) I am presenting the > 2-planet > > > combination results here, giving special importance to the > > > views of > > > Meenaraja > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > > > Note that Saravali is written by king Kalyanavarma to > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good amount of time should be first given to understanding the concept and underlying principles the sages propose, prior to applying the same with boldness in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the question from a learner's perspective. I will explain - * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun in various houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to the point. i.e. Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. [House-Planet Base] * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in various houses'. Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you can expect for sure - and apply the same with confidence in various charts. [House Base] * Now comes the question " What about 2-planet combinations? Can you confidently say that the derivations would be true up to 80% or at least up to 60%? " . [Planet Base] As you could clearly see - the answer is 'NO'! So the first step is to clear the grounds, understand the basic rules - so that we can derive 'Planet Base' derivations - that will become true at least to 80% accuracy - Which we currently don't have in the same - as even your example clarifies. That is why I emphasized - " First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then we will look into the charts with that combination. " Some of the possibilities, I have mentions in message no: 3841, are - 1) If every 2-planet combination combines the significance, the same is true with Dasa-Antara as well. What about applying the Sun Dasa Moon Antra result & Moon Dasa-Sun Antara to Su-Mo combination? Note - it the predicted results auspicious or not? 2) Sun is a malefic. A weak Moon too is a malefic. What are the results to be predicted if 2 malefics are together? What are the results Parasara states if Moon is with a Malefic? Note - Is the predicted results auspicious or not? - So what do you conclude? 3) Moon is 4th lord in Kalapurusha chart and Sun 5th lord. So what will you derive? 4)Sun is soul and Moon Mind - a combination that can shake the individual to the core - and totally change the fundamental dimension and possibilities of the whole chart itself. What if the combination in 5th (lunatic? what extra conditions you need?), What if the combination is in some other house? - Why the house become so much important in the case of such simple combinations? Or does it? Hopefully when we look into such questions in more details - we may approach the 80+ or at least the 60+. Note: Rather than understanding the Su-Mo combination, what we are trying to do is to understand the basic rules based on which all 2-planet combinations should be addressed or understood. Yes, I agree to your statement " Charts reflect the Truth! " - but the question for the learner is " How to reach upto that? " Hope this helps. Love, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > As you wish. In my opinion, it is important to spend good amount > of time on reading charts. Charts reflect the Truth! Again, > opinions differ from individual to individual. I clearly > understand that. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo combination > > (It is not > > complete yet). And then we will look into the charts with that > > combination. [As you know, I don't like spending too much time > > on > > specific charts ] But here the point is the discussion is > > not yet > > complete. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreendh, > > > > > > Interesting explantion! I would like to share a case with > > Sun > > > and Moon is in the same sign. This is a girl whom I know > > very > > > well. The birth has taken place during Krishna Trayodashi > > (night > > > birth) and yet both Sun and Moon are in the same sign: > > > > > > Lagna: Kumbha > > > > > > Sun and Moon are in the 5th house. > > > > > > Moon: 1 Gem 49 > > > Sun: 29 Gem 27 > > > > > > (using Lahiri Ayanamsa) > > > > > > This girl is much closer to her mother. Her parents have > > good > > > relationship with each other. This girl is married and has a > > > child and is a homemaker. > > > > > > Probably, the distance between Sun and Moon makes it not a > > > typical case and what is given in the ancient texts may not > > > apply to this case. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > The following is a write up that starts a discussion > > on > > > > 2-planet > > > > combinations. > > > > ==================================================== > > > > Two planet combinations > > > > ----- > > > > The first thing to know in this section is that these > > results > > > > are part > > > > of " results that should be derived considering planets > > > > alone " . > > > > i.e. It is part of " Planet based result derivation " which > > is > > > > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions such > > as > > > > `what > > > > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if if > > the > > > > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be > > addressed > > > > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka itself. > > With > > > > this > > > > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet > > based > > > > prediction. > > > > > > > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat > > > > prajaptya, Saunaka > > > > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but unluckily > > we > > > > don't > > > > have those texts available now. But some slokas from those > > > > texts that > > > > deals with the same is available here and there in various > > > > texts - but > > > > ofcourse the same is not enough to discuss the subject in > > > > detail. The > > > > oldest text available to us today that deals with 2-planet > > > > combinations > > > > in detail is Meenaraja hora. Later Saravali and Jataka > > > > Saradeepa too > > > > quoted the same - while discussing this subject, which > > > > provides total > > > > authentic nature to these slokas. Considering the various > > > > versions of > > > > the same slokas given by these 3 texts (i.e. Meenaraja > > hora, > > > > Saravali, > > > > Jataka Saradeepa) we can discuss these slokas in detail. > > > > Another good > > > > resource is Brihajjataka of Varahamihira, which devotes a > > > > whole chapter > > > > for discussing 2 planet combinations. Two good > > commentaries of > > > > Brihajjataka vis, Hridyapadha and Vivarana can also help > > us > > > > much in > > > > arriving at the meaning and possibilities of these > > > > combinations. As we > > > > have clearly identified our resources to study and discuss > > the > > > > subject > > > > of 2-planet combinations, let us proceed with the same. > > > > > > > > Possibly the ancient texts such as Skanda hora was not > > even > > > > available to > > > > king Kalyana varma who wrote Saravali in 10th century AD. > > > > Possibly it is > > > > because of this that he had to refer to many slokas from > > > > Yavaneswara > > > > hora, Sphujidwaja hora, Meenaraja hora etc. But still he > > was > > > > of the > > > > opinion that these texts contain too much unnecessary > > > > information or > > > > unwanted phony quotes. That is why when he wrote Saravali > > he > > > > stated that > > > > - > > > > > > > > " Many great horas are written by the ancient sages. Mihira > > > > condensed > > > > its essence into a small book called Brihajjataka (I value > > > > that book and > > > > effort very much). But Brihajjataka alone is not enough to > > > > derive result > > > > regarding many results related to Yoga, Dasa, Divisions > > etc. > > > > Therefore I > > > > am writing this book - i.e. Saravali - brewing the essence > > of > > > > books in > > > > Yavana school of astrology and leaving the non-essential " > > > > > > > > It is considering this high opinion of Kalyanavarma about > > > > Brihajjataka, > > > > the text Saravali is given secondary importance only > > compared > > > > to > > > > Brihajjataka. Then the same is true for Kalyanavarma > > regarding > > > > Arsha > > > > school of astrology and Yavana school of astrology as > > well. He > > > > must have > > > > weighted the Arsha school high (based on which > > Brihajjataka > > > > originated) > > > > and Yavana school below it (based on which Saravali > > > > originated). But in > > > > any case these two books and these two schools are > > mutually > > > > complementing. If one school lost some knowledge, the > > other > > > > always > > > > helped us to locate the same some how. Therefore without > > > > competition, > > > > with due respect to proponents of Yavana school we should > > go > > > > through the > > > > quotes provided by Meenaraja, accepting the lesson taught > > by > > > > Saravali. > > > > It states - > > > > > > > > The results that should be attributed to 2-planet > > combinations > > > > is given > > > > also by Vridha Yavanacharya, i.e. Meenaraja. Collecting > > those > > > > slokas > > > > without any competition (i.e. not considering the results > > are > > > > told by > > > > Arsha school of astrology - which I trust most - or by > > Yavana > > > > school of > > > > astrology followed by Meenaraja) I am presenting the > > 2-planet > > > > combination results here, giving special importance to the > > > > views of > > > > Meenaraja > > > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > > > > > Note that Saravali is written by king Kalyanavarma to > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Dear Sreendah, I don't under estimate the need to study basics before applying it in practice. It is very important in a scientific and structured approach. My mail was only a reaction to your following statement: <<[As you know, I don't like spending too much time on specific charts ] >> Hope I am clear :-) Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Krishna ji, > I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good amount > of time > should be first given to understanding the concept and > underlying > principles the sages propose, prior to applying the same with > boldness > in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the question from a > learner's > perspective. I will explain - > * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun in > various > houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to the point. > i.e. > Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. [House-Planet Base] > * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in various > houses'. > Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you can expect > for sure > - and apply the same with confidence in various charts. [House > Base] > * Now comes the question " What about 2-planet combinations? > Can you > confidently say that the derivations would be true up to 80% > or at > least up to 60%? " . [Planet Base] As you could clearly see - > the answer > is 'NO'! So the first step is to clear the grounds, understand > the > basic rules - so that we can derive 'Planet Base' derivations > - that > will become true at least to 80% accuracy - Which we currently > don't > have in the same - as even your example clarifies. > That is why I emphasized - " First let us complete our > discussion on > Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then we will > look into > the charts with that combination. " Some of the possibilities, > I have > mentions in message no: 3841, are - > 1) If every 2-planet combination combines the significance, > the same > is true with Dasa-Antara as well. What about applying the Sun > Dasa > Moon Antra result & Moon Dasa-Sun Antara to Su-Mo combination? > Note - > it the predicted results auspicious or not? > 2) Sun is a malefic. A weak Moon too is a malefic. What are > the > results to be predicted if 2 malefics are together? What are > the > results Parasara states if Moon is with a Malefic? Note - Is > the > predicted results auspicious or not? > - So what do you conclude? > 3) Moon is 4th lord in Kalapurusha chart and Sun 5th lord. So > what > will you derive? > 4)Sun is soul and Moon Mind - a combination that can shake the > individual to the core - and totally change the fundamental > dimension and possibilities of the whole chart itself. What if > the > combination in 5th (lunatic? what extra conditions you need?), > What if > the combination is in some other house? - Why the house become > so much > important in the case of such simple combinations? Or does it? > > Hopefully when we look into such questions in more details - > we may > approach the 80+ or at least the 60+. > Note: Rather than understanding the Su-Mo combination, what > we are > trying to do is to understand the basic rules based on which > all > 2-planet combinations should be addressed or understood. Yes, > I agree > to your statement " Charts reflect the Truth! " - but the > question for > the learner is " How to reach upto that? " > Hope this helps. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > As you wish. In my opinion, it is important to spend good > amount > > of time on reading charts. Charts reflect the Truth! Again, > > opinions differ from individual to individual. I clearly > > understand that. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo > combination > > > (It is not > > > complete yet). And then we will look into the charts with > that > > > combination. [As you know, I don't like spending too much > time > > > on > > > specific charts ] But here the point is the discussion > is > > > not yet > > > complete. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , > Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreendh, > > > > > > > > Interesting explantion! I would like to share a case > with > > > Sun > > > > and Moon is in the same sign. This is a girl whom I know > > > very > > > > well. The birth has taken place during Krishna > Trayodashi > > > (night > > > > birth) and yet both Sun and Moon are in the same sign: > > > > > > > > Lagna: Kumbha > > > > > > > > Sun and Moon are in the 5th house. > > > > > > > > Moon: 1 Gem 49 > > > > Sun: 29 Gem 27 > > > > > > > > (using Lahiri Ayanamsa) > > > > > > > > This girl is much closer to her mother. Her parents have > > > good > > > > relationship with each other. This girl is married and > has a > > > > child and is a homemaker. > > > > > > > > Probably, the distance between Sun and Moon makes it not > a > > > > typical case and what is given in the ancient texts may > not > > > > apply to this case. > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > The following is a write up that starts a > discussion > > > on > > > > > 2-planet > > > > > combinations. > > > > > ==================================================== > > > > > Two planet combinations > > > > > ----- > > > > > The first thing to know in this section is that these > > > results > > > > > are part > > > > > of " results that should be derived considering > planets > > > > > alone " . > > > > > i.e. It is part of " Planet based result derivation " > which > > > is > > > > > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions > such > > > as > > > > > `what > > > > > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if > if > > > the > > > > > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be > > > addressed > > > > > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka > itself. > > > With > > > > > this > > > > > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet > > > based > > > > > prediction. > > > > > > > > > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat > > > > > prajaptya, Saunaka > > > > > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but > unluckily > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear krishna ji , I find u doing reserch of many astrological principles . So why cannot u take the task of seeing the effect of moon -sun yoga . As i think this is more than simple dwi graha yoga .As sun and moon are very personal level planets and controller of all points we take while in delintation of chart .panchanga effects or even birth hora ,masa ,day all is based on sun and some based on their respective distance . Also please consider the effect of nite birth in this purticular combination as in nite being amavasya moon the deha karaka will be power less .U should also concentrate the moon approaching sun or crossed sun chart also for seeing the correct results . I think this is a real challenge . All the best to u regrds Vijaya raghavan Guruvayur. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreendah,> > I don't under estimate the need to study basics before applying> it in practice. It is very important in a scientific and> structured approach. My mail was only a reaction to your> following statement:> > <<[As you know, I don't like spending too much time on specific> charts ] >>> > Hope I am clear :-)> > Regards,> Krishna> > --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Krishna ji,> > I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good amount> > of time> > should be first given to understanding the concept and> > underlying> > principles the sages propose, prior to applying the same with> > boldness> > in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the question from a> > learner's> > perspective. I will explain -> > * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun in> > various> > houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to the point.> > i.e.> > Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. [House-Planet Base]> > * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in various> > houses'.> > Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you can expect> > for sure> > - and apply the same with confidence in various charts. [House> > Base]> > * Now comes the question "What about 2-planet combinations?> > Can you> > confidently say that the derivations would be true up to 80%> > or at> > least up to 60%?". [Planet Base] As you could clearly see -> > the answer> > is 'NO'! So the first step is to clear the grounds, understand> > the> > basic rules - so that we can derive 'Planet Base' derivations> > - that> > will become true at least to 80% accuracy - Which we currently> > don't> > have in the same - as even your example clarifies.> > That is why I emphasized - "First let us complete our> > discussion on> > Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then we will> > look into> > the charts with that combination." Some of the possibilities,> > I have> > mentions in message no: 3841, are -> > 1) If every 2-planet combination combines the significance,> > the same> > is true with Dasa-Antara as well. What about applying the Sun> > Dasa> > Moon Antra result & Moon Dasa-Sun Antara to Su-Mo combination?> > Note -> > it the predicted results auspicious or not?> > 2) Sun is a malefic. A weak Moon too is a malefic. What are> > the> > results to be predicted if 2 malefics are together? What are> > the> > results Parasara states if Moon is with a Malefic? Note - Is> > the> > predicted results auspicious or not?> > - So what do you conclude?> > 3) Moon is 4th lord in Kalapurusha chart and Sun 5th lord. So> > what> > will you derive? > > 4)Sun is soul and Moon Mind - a combination that can shake the> > individual to the core - and totally change the fundamental> > dimension and possibilities of the whole chart itself. What if> > the> > combination in 5th (lunatic? what extra conditions you need?),> > What if> > the combination is in some other house? - Why the house become> > so much> > important in the case of such simple combinations? Or does it?> > > > Hopefully when we look into such questions in more details -> > we may> > approach the 80+ or at least the 60+. > > Note: Rather than understanding the Su-Mo combination, what> > we are> > trying to do is to understand the basic rules based on which> > all> > 2-planet combinations should be addressed or understood. Yes,> > I agree> > to your statement "Charts reflect the Truth!" - but the> > question for> > the learner is "How to reach upto that?" > > Hope this helps.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > As you wish. In my opinion, it is important to spend good> > amount> > > of time on reading charts. Charts reflect the Truth! Again,> > > opinions differ from individual to individual. I clearly> > > understand that.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,> > > > First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo> > combination> > > > (It is not> > > > complete yet). And then we will look into the charts with> > that> > > > combination. [As you know, I don't like spending too much> > time> > > > on> > > > specific charts ] But here the point is the discussion> > is> > > > not yet> > > > complete.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > ,> > Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreendh,> > > > > > > > > > Interesting explantion! I would like to share a case> > with> > > > Sun> > > > > and Moon is in the same sign. This is a girl whom I know> > > > very> > > > > well. The birth has taken place during Krishna> > Trayodashi> > > > (night> > > > > birth) and yet both Sun and Moon are in the same sign:> > > > > > > > > > Lagna: Kumbha> > > > > > > > > > Sun and Moon are in the 5th house.> > > > > > > > > > Moon: 1 Gem 49> > > > > Sun: 29 Gem 27> > > > > > > > > > (using Lahiri Ayanamsa)> > > > > > > > > > This girl is much closer to her mother. Her parents have> > > > good> > > > > relationship with each other. This girl is married and> > has a> > > > > child and is a homemaker.> > > > > > > > > > Probably, the distance between Sun and Moon makes it not> > a> > > > > typical case and what is given in the ancient texts may> > not> > > > > apply to this case.> > > > > > > > > > What do you think?> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > The following is a write up that starts a> > discussion> > > > on > > > > > > 2-planet> > > > > > combinations.> > > > > > ====================================================> > > > > > Two planet combinations> > > > > > -----> > > > > > The first thing to know in this section is that these> > > > results> > > > > > are part> > > > > > of "results that should be derived considering> > planets> > > > > > alone".> > > > > > i.e. It is part of "Planet based result derivation"> > which> > > > is> > > > > > part of 7-fold prediction system. Therefore questions> > such> > > > as> > > > > > `what> > > > > > if the combination is in so and so houses?', `What if> > if> > > > the> > > > > > combination is in so and so houses?' etc won't be> > > > addressed> > > > > > here, if not the same is mentioned in the sloka> > itself.> > > > With> > > > > > this> > > > > > understanding let us proceed with our study of planet> > > > based> > > > > > prediction.> > > > > > > > > > > > The ancient authentic texts like Skanda hora, Brihat> > > > > > prajaptya, Saunaka> > > > > > hora etc addressed this question in detail - but> > unluckily> > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear Raghavan ji, Thanks for your kind words about my work. I have just taken a couple of small steps and nothing more. I have a long way to go. It appears that you have visited my blog. I intented to take up more areas for my reseach going forward. However, in general, my style of research is working backwards. That is, I study many charts and try to arrive at a principle. (Or, I pick a principle and try to validate it using good number of charts.) I may not be able to give any references to Sanskrit shlokas etc. And, I have noticed that Astrologers in general don't value this. They look for some reference from a sage. Hence, even if I do some research on this specific topic, I am sure there will not be many buyers. Hence, I generally pick areas that are closer to my heart when I do research. With that I derive some satisfaction and I don't have the trouble of convincing others :-) I do share my work in my blog for those few people who do respect the work done by mere mortals like me. It gives a good feeling to be encouraged by people like you. Regards, Krishna --- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > Dear krishna ji , > > > > I find u doing reserch of many astrological principles . > > So why cannot u take the task of seeing the effect of moon > -sun yoga . > > > > As i think this is more than simple dwi graha yoga .As sun and > moon are > very personal level planets and controller of all points we > take while > in delintation of chart .panchanga effects or even birth hora > ,masa ,day > all is based on sun and some based on their respective > distance . > > Also please consider the effect of nite birth in this > purticular > combination as in nite being amavasya moon the deha karaka > will be power > less .U should also concentrate the moon approaching sun or > crossed sun > chart also for seeing the correct results . > > > > I think this is a real challenge . > > All the best to u > > regrds Vijaya raghavan Guruvayur. > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Sreendah, > > > > I don't under estimate the need to study basics before > applying > > it in practice. It is very important in a scientific and > > structured approach. My mail was only a reaction to your > > following statement: > > > > <<[As you know, I don't like spending too much time on > specific > > charts ] >> > > > > Hope I am clear :-) > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good amount > > > of time > > > should be first given to understanding the concept and > > > underlying > > > principles the sages propose, prior to applying the same > with > > > boldness > > > in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the question from > a > > > learner's > > > perspective. I will explain - > > > * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun in > > > various > > > houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to the > point. > > > i.e. > > > Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. [House-Planet > Base] > > > * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in various > > > houses'. > > > Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you can > expect > > > for sure > > > - and apply the same with confidence in various charts. > [House > > > Base] > > > * Now comes the question " What about 2-planet > combinations? > > > Can you > > > confidently say that the derivations would be true up to > 80% > > > or at > > > least up to 60%? " . [Planet Base] As you could clearly see > - > > > the answer > > > is 'NO'! So the first step is to clear the grounds, > understand > > > the > > > basic rules - so that we can derive 'Planet Base' > derivations > > > - that > > > will become true at least to 80% accuracy - Which we > currently > > > don't > > > have in the same - as even your example clarifies. > > > That is why I emphasized - " First let us complete our > > > discussion on > > > Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then we > will > > > look into > > > the charts with that combination. " Some of the > possibilities, > > > I have > > > mentions in message no: 3841, are - > > > 1) If every 2-planet combination combines the > significance, > > > the same > > > is true with Dasa-Antara as well. What about applying the > Sun > > > Dasa > > > Moon Antra result & Moon Dasa-Sun Antara to Su-Mo > combination? > > > Note - > > > it the predicted results auspicious or not? > > > 2) Sun is a malefic. A weak Moon too is a malefic. What > are > > > the > > > results to be predicted if 2 malefics are together? What > are > > > the > > > results Parasara states if Moon is with a Malefic? Note - > Is > > > the > > > predicted results auspicious or not? > > > - So what do you conclude? > > > 3) Moon is 4th lord in Kalapurusha chart and Sun 5th lord. > So > > > what > > > will you derive? > > > 4)Sun is soul and Moon Mind - a combination that can shake > the > > > individual to the core - and totally change the > fundamental > > > dimension and possibilities of the whole chart itself. > What if > > > the > > > combination in 5th (lunatic? what extra conditions you > need?), > > > What if > > > the combination is in some other house? - Why the house > become > > > so much > > > important in the case of such simple combinations? Or does > it? > > > > > > Hopefully when we look into such questions in more details > - > > > we may > > > approach the 80+ or at least the 60+. > > > Note: Rather than understanding the Su-Mo combination, > what > > > we are > > > trying to do is to understand the basic rules based on > which > > > all > > > 2-planet combinations should be addressed or understood. > Yes, > > > I agree > > > to your statement " Charts reflect the Truth! " - but the > > > question for > > > the learner is " How to reach upto that? " > > > Hope this helps. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , > Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > As you wish. In my opinion, it is important to spend > good > > > amount > > > > of time on reading charts. Charts reflect the Truth! > Again, > > > > opinions differ from individual to individual. I clearly > > > > understand that. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo > > > combination > > > > > (It is not > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, ==> > I do share my work in my blog for those > few people who do respect the work done by mere mortals like me. <== Other than mere mortals what do you think we are?!! We too love to get benefited by the knowledge and experience you share! Hope you will share them with us too when you prepare those write-ups. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Raghavan ji, > > Thanks for your kind words about my work. I have just taken a > couple of small steps and nothing more. I have a long way to go. > It appears that you have visited my blog. > > I intented to take up more areas for my reseach going forward. > However, in general, my style of research is working backwards. > That is, I study many charts and try to arrive at a principle. > (Or, I pick a principle and try to validate it using good number > of charts.) I may not be able to give any references to Sanskrit > shlokas etc. And, I have noticed that Astrologers in general > don't value this. They look for some reference from a sage. > > Hence, even if I do some research on this specific topic, I am > sure there will not be many buyers. Hence, I generally pick > areas that are closer to my heart when I do research. With that > I derive some satisfaction and I don't have the trouble of > convincing others :-) I do share my work in my blog for those > few people who do respect the work done by mere mortals like me. > > It gives a good feeling to be encouraged by people like you. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > --- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > > > Dear krishna ji , > > > > > > > > I find u doing reserch of many astrological principles . > > > > So why cannot u take the task of seeing the effect of moon > > -sun yoga . > > > > > > > > As i think this is more than simple dwi graha yoga .As sun and > > moon are > > very personal level planets and controller of all points we > > take while > > in delintation of chart .panchanga effects or even birth hora > > ,masa ,day > > all is based on sun and some based on their respective > > distance . > > > > Also please consider the effect of nite birth in this > > purticular > > combination as in nite being amavasya moon the deha karaka > > will be power > > less .U should also concentrate the moon approaching sun or > > crossed sun > > chart also for seeing the correct results . > > > > > > > > I think this is a real challenge . > > > > All the best to u > > > > regrds Vijaya raghavan Guruvayur. > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreendah, > > > > > > I don't under estimate the need to study basics before > > applying > > > it in practice. It is very important in a scientific and > > > structured approach. My mail was only a reaction to your > > > following statement: > > > > > > <<[As you know, I don't like spending too much time on > > specific > > > charts ] >> > > > > > > Hope I am clear :-) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good amount > > > > of time > > > > should be first given to understanding the concept and > > > > underlying > > > > principles the sages propose, prior to applying the same > > with > > > > boldness > > > > in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the question from > > a > > > > learner's > > > > perspective. I will explain - > > > > * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun in > > > > various > > > > houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to the > > point. > > > > i.e. > > > > Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. [House-Planet > > Base] > > > > * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in various > > > > houses'. > > > > Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you can > > expect > > > > for sure > > > > - and apply the same with confidence in various charts. > > [House > > > > Base] > > > > * Now comes the question " What about 2-planet > > combinations? > > > > Can you > > > > confidently say that the derivations would be true up to > > 80% > > > > or at > > > > least up to 60%? " . [Planet Base] As you could clearly see > > - > > > > the answer > > > > is 'NO'! So the first step is to clear the grounds, > > understand > > > > the > > > > basic rules - so that we can derive 'Planet Base' > > derivations > > > > - that > > > > will become true at least to 80% accuracy - Which we > > currently > > > > don't > > > > have in the same - as even your example clarifies. > > > > That is why I emphasized - " First let us complete our > > > > discussion on > > > > Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then we > > will > > > > look into > > > > the charts with that combination. " Some of the > > possibilities, > > > > I have > > > > mentions in message no: 3841, are - > > > > 1) If every 2-planet combination combines the > > significance, > > > > the same > > > > is true with Dasa-Antara as well. What about applying the > > Sun > > > > Dasa > > > > Moon Antra result & Moon Dasa-Sun Antara to Su-Mo > > combination? > > > > Note - > > > > it the predicted results auspicious or not? > > > > 2) Sun is a malefic. A weak Moon too is a malefic. What > > are > > > > the > > > > results to be predicted if 2 malefics are together? What > > are > > > > the > > > > results Parasara states if Moon is with a Malefic? Note - > > Is > > > > the > > > > predicted results auspicious or not? > > > > - So what do you conclude? > > > > 3) Moon is 4th lord in Kalapurusha chart and Sun 5th lord. > > So > > > > what > > > > will you derive? > > > > 4)Sun is soul and Moon Mind - a combination that can shake > > the > > > > individual to the core - and totally change the > > fundamental > > > > dimension and possibilities of the whole chart itself. > > What if > > > > the > > > > combination in 5th (lunatic? what extra conditions you > > need?), > > > > What if > > > > the combination is in some other house? - Why the house > > become > > > > so much > > > > important in the case of such simple combinations? Or does > > it? > > > > > > > > Hopefully when we look into such questions in more details > > - > > > > we may > > > > approach the 80+ or at least the 60+. > > > > Note: Rather than understanding the Su-Mo combination, > > what > > > > we are > > > > trying to do is to understand the basic rules based on > > which > > > > all > > > > 2-planet combinations should be addressed or understood. > > Yes, > > > > I agree > > > > to your statement " Charts reflect the Truth! " - but the > > > > question for > > > > the learner is " How to reach upto that? " > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , > > Krishnamurthy > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > As you wish. In my opinion, it is important to spend > > good > > > > amount > > > > > of time on reading charts. Charts reflect the Truth! > > Again, > > > > > opinions differ from individual to individual. I clearly > > > > > understand that. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo > > > > combination > > > > > > (It is not > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dear Krishna ji . I happen to see Your blog page and also some of ur hard work while going tru archives of some astrological forums >dont think that no body Value your contributions .Finaly astrology is not what differrent sages told ,its the predictiv part any vedic astrologer or commoner is interested . So your effort in that direction is highly appreciated . Thanking you in advance . regrds Vijaya Raghavan Guruvayur . , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Raghavan ji,> > Thanks for your kind words about my work. I have just taken a> couple of small steps and nothing more. I have a long way to go.> It appears that you have visited my blog.> > I intented to take up more areas for my reseach going forward.> However, in general, my style of research is working backwards.> That is, I study many charts and try to arrive at a principle.> (Or, I pick a principle and try to validate it using good number> of charts.) I may not be able to give any references to Sanskrit> shlokas etc. And, I have noticed that Astrologers in general> don't value this. They look for some reference from a sage. > > Hence, even if I do some research on this specific topic, I am> sure there will not be many buyers. Hence, I generally pick> areas that are closer to my heart when I do research. With that> I derive some satisfaction and I don't have the trouble of> convincing others :-) I do share my work in my blog for those> few people who do respect the work done by mere mortals like me.> > It gives a good feeling to be encouraged by people like you.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > > > --- lion_draco1983 lion_draco1983 wrote:> > > > > Dear krishna ji ,> > > > > > > > I find u doing reserch of many astrological principles .> > > > So why cannot u take the task of seeing the effect of moon> > -sun yoga .> > > > > > > > As i think this is more than simple dwi graha yoga .As sun and> > moon are> > very personal level planets and controller of all points we> > take while> > in delintation of chart .panchanga effects or even birth hora> > ,masa ,day> > all is based on sun and some based on their respective> > distance .> > > > Also please consider the effect of nite birth in this> > purticular> > combination as in nite being amavasya moon the deha karaka> > will be power> > less .U should also concentrate the moon approaching sun or> > crossed sun> > chart also for seeing the correct results .> > > > > > > > I think this is a real challenge .> > > > All the best to u> > > > regrds Vijaya raghavan Guruvayur.> > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreendah,> > >> > > I don't under estimate the need to study basics before> > applying> > > it in practice. It is very important in a scientific and> > > structured approach. My mail was only a reaction to your> > > following statement:> > >> > > <<[As you know, I don't like spending too much time on> > specific> > > charts ] >>> > >> > > Hope I am clear :-)> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > > Dear Krishna ji,> > > > I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good amount> > > > of time> > > > should be first given to understanding the concept and> > > > underlying> > > > principles the sages propose, prior to applying the same> > with> > > > boldness> > > > in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the question from> > a> > > > learner's> > > > perspective. I will explain -> > > > * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun in> > > > various> > > > houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to the> > point.> > > > i.e.> > > > Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. [House-Planet> > Base]> > > > * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in various> > > > houses'.> > > > Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you can> > expect> > > > for sure> > > > - and apply the same with confidence in various charts.> > [House> > > > Base]> > > > * Now comes the question "What about 2-planet> > combinations?> > > > Can you> > > > confidently say that the derivations would be true up to> > 80%> > > > or at> > > > least up to 60%?". [Planet Base] As you could clearly see> > -> > > > the answer> > > > is 'NO'! So the first step is to clear the grounds,> > understand> > > > the> > > > basic rules - so that we can derive 'Planet Base'> > derivations> > > > - that> > > > will become true at least to 80% accuracy - Which we> > currently> > > > don't> > > > have in the same - as even your example clarifies.> > > > That is why I emphasized - "First let us complete our> > > > discussion on> > > > Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then we> > will> > > > look into> > > > the charts with that combination." Some of the> > possibilities,> > > > I have> > > > mentions in message no: 3841, are -> > > > 1) If every 2-planet combination combines the> > significance,> > > > the same> > > > is true with Dasa-Antara as well. What about applying the> > Sun> > > > Dasa> > > > Moon Antra result & Moon Dasa-Sun Antara to Su-Mo> > combination?> > > > Note -> > > > it the predicted results auspicious or not?> > > > 2) Sun is a malefic. A weak Moon too is a malefic. What> > are> > > > the> > > > results to be predicted if 2 malefics are together? What> > are> > > > the> > > > results Parasara states if Moon is with a Malefic? Note -> > Is> > > > the> > > > predicted results auspicious or not?> > > > - So what do you conclude?> > > > 3) Moon is 4th lord in Kalapurusha chart and Sun 5th lord.> > So> > > > what> > > > will you derive?> > > > 4)Sun is soul and Moon Mind - a combination that can shake> > the> > > > individual to the core - and totally change the> > fundamental> > > > dimension and possibilities of the whole chart itself.> > What if> > > > the> > > > combination in 5th (lunatic? what extra conditions you> > need?),> > > > What if> > > > the combination is in some other house? - Why the house> > become> > > > so much> > > > important in the case of such simple combinations? Or does> > it?> > > >> > > > Hopefully when we look into such questions in more details> > -> > > > we may> > > > approach the 80+ or at least the 60+. > > > > Note: Rather than understanding the Su-Mo combination,> > what> > > > we are> > > > trying to do is to understand the basic rules based on> > which> > > > all> > > > 2-planet combinations should be addressed or understood.> > Yes,> > > > I agree> > > > to your statement "Charts reflect the Truth!" - but the> > > > question for> > > > the learner is "How to reach upto that?" > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > ,> > Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > As you wish. In my opinion, it is important to spend> > good> > > > amount> > > > > of time on reading charts. Charts reflect the Truth!> > Again,> > > > > opinions differ from individual to individual. I clearly> > > > > understand that.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,> > > > > > First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo> > > > combination> > > > > > (It is not> > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, If I am not mistaken the following is your blogspot I believe. URL: http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com/ Well written, nice posts! :)We too would love to see similar info shared with us here. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " lion_draco1983 " <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > Dear Krishna ji . > > > > I happen to see Your blog page and also some of ur hard work while > going tru archives of some astrological forums >dont think that no body > Value your contributions .Finaly astrology is not what differrent sages > told ,its the predictiv part any vedic astrologer or commoner is > interested . > > So your effort in that direction is highly appreciated . > > > > Thanking you in advance . > > regrds Vijaya Raghavan Guruvayur . , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raghavan ji, > > > > Thanks for your kind words about my work. I have just taken a > > couple of small steps and nothing more. I have a long way to go. > > It appears that you have visited my blog. > > > > I intented to take up more areas for my reseach going forward. > > However, in general, my style of research is working backwards. > > That is, I study many charts and try to arrive at a principle. > > (Or, I pick a principle and try to validate it using good number > > of charts.) I may not be able to give any references to Sanskrit > > shlokas etc. And, I have noticed that Astrologers in general > > don't value this. They look for some reference from a sage. > > > > Hence, even if I do some research on this specific topic, I am > > sure there will not be many buyers. Hence, I generally pick > > areas that are closer to my heart when I do research. With that > > I derive some satisfaction and I don't have the trouble of > > convincing others :-) I do share my work in my blog for those > > few people who do respect the work done by mere mortals like me. > > > > It gives a good feeling to be encouraged by people like you. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- lion_draco1983 lion_draco1983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear krishna ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > I find u doing reserch of many astrological principles . > > > > > > So why cannot u take the task of seeing the effect of moon > > > -sun yoga . > > > > > > > > > > > > As i think this is more than simple dwi graha yoga .As sun and > > > moon are > > > very personal level planets and controller of all points we > > > take while > > > in delintation of chart .panchanga effects or even birth hora > > > ,masa ,day > > > all is based on sun and some based on their respective > > > distance . > > > > > > Also please consider the effect of nite birth in this > > > purticular > > > combination as in nite being amavasya moon the deha karaka > > > will be power > > > less .U should also concentrate the moon approaching sun or > > > crossed sun > > > chart also for seeing the correct results . > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is a real challenge . > > > > > > All the best to u > > > > > > regrds Vijaya raghavan Guruvayur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreendah, > > > > > > > > I don't under estimate the need to study basics before > > > applying > > > > it in practice. It is very important in a scientific and > > > > structured approach. My mail was only a reaction to your > > > > following statement: > > > > > > > > <<[As you know, I don't like spending too much time on > > > specific > > > > charts ] >> > > > > > > > > Hope I am clear :-) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good amount > > > > > of time > > > > > should be first given to understanding the concept and > > > > > underlying > > > > > principles the sages propose, prior to applying the same > > > with > > > > > boldness > > > > > in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the question from > > > a > > > > > learner's > > > > > perspective. I will explain - > > > > > * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun in > > > > > various > > > > > houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to the > > > point. > > > > > i.e. > > > > > Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. [House-Planet > > > Base] > > > > > * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in various > > > > > houses'. > > > > > Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you can > > > expect > > > > > for sure > > > > > - and apply the same with confidence in various charts. > > > [House > > > > > Base] > > > > > * Now comes the question " What about 2-planet > > > combinations? > > > > > Can you > > > > > confidently say that the derivations would be true up to > > > 80% > > > > > or at > > > > > least up to 60%? " . [Planet Base] As you could clearly see > > > - > > > > > the answer > > > > > is 'NO'! So the first step is to clear the grounds, > > > understand > > > > > the > > > > > basic rules - so that we can derive 'Planet Base' > > > derivations > > > > > - that > > > > > will become true at least to 80% accuracy - Which we > > > currently > > > > > don't > > > > > have in the same - as even your example clarifies. > > > > > That is why I emphasized - " First let us complete our > > > > > discussion on > > > > > Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then we > > > will > > > > > look into > > > > > the charts with that combination. " Some of the > > > possibilities, > > > > > I have > > > > > mentions in message no: 3841, are - > > > > > 1) If every 2-planet combination combines the > > > significance, > > > > > the same > > > > > is true with Dasa-Antara as well. What about applying the > > > Sun > > > > > Dasa > > > > > Moon Antra result & Moon Dasa-Sun Antara to Su-Mo > > > combination? > > > > > Note - > > > > > it the predicted results auspicious or not? > > > > > 2) Sun is a malefic. A weak Moon too is a malefic. What > > > are > > > > > the > > > > > results to be predicted if 2 malefics are together? What > > > are > > > > > the > > > > > results Parasara states if Moon is with a Malefic? Note - > > > Is > > > > > the > > > > > predicted results auspicious or not? > > > > > - So what do you conclude? > > > > > 3) Moon is 4th lord in Kalapurusha chart and Sun 5th lord. > > > So > > > > > what > > > > > will you derive? > > > > > 4)Sun is soul and Moon Mind - a combination that can shake > > > the > > > > > individual to the core - and totally change the > > > fundamental > > > > > dimension and possibilities of the whole chart itself. > > > What if > > > > > the > > > > > combination in 5th (lunatic? what extra conditions you > > > need?), > > > > > What if > > > > > the combination is in some other house? - Why the house > > > become > > > > > so much > > > > > important in the case of such simple combinations? Or does > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully when we look into such questions in more details > > > - > > > > > we may > > > > > approach the 80+ or at least the 60+. > > > > > Note: Rather than understanding the Su-Mo combination, > > > what > > > > > we are > > > > > trying to do is to understand the basic rules based on > > > which > > > > > all > > > > > 2-planet combinations should be addressed or understood. > > > Yes, > > > > > I agree > > > > > to your statement " Charts reflect the Truth! " - but the > > > > > question for > > > > > the learner is " How to reach upto that? " > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > As you wish. In my opinion, it is important to spend > > > good > > > > > amount > > > > > > of time on reading charts. Charts reflect the Truth! > > > Again, > > > > > > opinions differ from individual to individual. I clearly > > > > > > understand that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > First let us complete our discussion on Su-Mo > > > > > combination > > > > > > > (It is not > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, Yes, that is my blog. Thanks for your encouragement. I will share my work with this list in future. Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Krishna ji, > If I am not mistaken the following is your blogspot I > believe. > URL: http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com/ > Well written, nice posts! :)We too would love to see similar > info > shared with us here. > Love and Hugs, > Sreenadh > > , > " lion_draco1983 " > <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji . > > > > > > > > I happen to see Your blog page and also some of ur hard > work > while > > going tru archives of some astrological forums >dont think > that no > body > > Value your contributions .Finaly astrology is not what > differrent > sages > > told ,its the predictiv part any vedic astrologer or > commoner is > > interested . > > > > So your effort in that direction is highly appreciated . > > > > > > > > Thanking you in advance . > > > > regrds Vijaya Raghavan Guruvayur . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raghavan ji, > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words about my work. I have just > taken a > > > couple of small steps and nothing more. I have a long way > to go. > > > It appears that you have visited my blog. > > > > > > I intented to take up more areas for my reseach going > forward. > > > However, in general, my style of research is working > backwards. > > > That is, I study many charts and try to arrive at a > principle. > > > (Or, I pick a principle and try to validate it using good > number > > > of charts.) I may not be able to give any references to > Sanskrit > > > shlokas etc. And, I have noticed that Astrologers in > general > > > don't value this. They look for some reference from a > sage. > > > > > > Hence, even if I do some research on this specific topic, > I am > > > sure there will not be many buyers. Hence, I generally > pick > > > areas that are closer to my heart when I do research. With > that > > > I derive some satisfaction and I don't have the trouble of > > > convincing others :-) I do share my work in my blog for > those > > > few people who do respect the work done by mere mortals > like me. > > > > > > It gives a good feeling to be encouraged by people like > you. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lion_draco1983 lion_draco1983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishna ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find u doing reserch of many astrological principles . > > > > > > > > So why cannot u take the task of seeing the effect of > moon > > > > -sun yoga . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As i think this is more than simple dwi graha yoga .As > sun and > > > > moon are > > > > very personal level planets and controller of all points > we > > > > take while > > > > in delintation of chart .panchanga effects or even birth > hora > > > > ,masa ,day > > > > all is based on sun and some based on their respective > > > > distance . > > > > > > > > Also please consider the effect of nite birth in this > > > > purticular > > > > combination as in nite being amavasya moon the deha > karaka > > > > will be power > > > > less .U should also concentrate the moon approaching sun > or > > > > crossed sun > > > > chart also for seeing the correct results . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is a real challenge . > > > > > > > > All the best to u > > > > > > > > regrds Vijaya raghavan Guruvayur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Krishnamurthy > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreendah, > > > > > > > > > > I don't under estimate the need to study basics before > > > > applying > > > > > it in practice. It is very important in a scientific > and > > > > > structured approach. My mail was only a reaction to > your > > > > > following statement: > > > > > > > > > > <<[As you know, I don't like spending too much time on > > > > specific > > > > > charts ] >> > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am clear :-) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good > amount > > > > > > of time > > > > > > should be first given to understanding the concept > and > > > > > > underlying > > > > > > principles the sages propose, prior to applying the > same > > > > with > > > > > > boldness > > > > > > in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the > question from > > > > a > > > > > > learner's > > > > > > perspective. I will explain - > > > > > > * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun > in > > > > > > various > > > > > > houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to > the > > > > point. > > > > > > i.e. > > > > > > Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. > [House-Planet > > > > Base] > > > > > > * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in > various > > > > > > houses'. > > > > > > Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you > can > > > > expect > > > > > > for sure > > > > > > - and apply the same with confidence in various > charts. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Thanks for your comments sir! Regards, Krishna --- lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji . > > > > I happen to see Your blog page and also some of ur hard > work while > going tru archives of some astrological forums >dont think > that no body > Value your contributions .Finaly astrology is not what > differrent sages > told ,its the predictiv part any vedic astrologer or commoner > is > interested . > > So your effort in that direction is highly appreciated . > > > > Thanking you in advance . > > regrds Vijaya Raghavan Guruvayur . , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Raghavan ji, > > > > Thanks for your kind words about my work. I have just taken > a > > couple of small steps and nothing more. I have a long way to > go. > > It appears that you have visited my blog. > > > > I intented to take up more areas for my reseach going > forward. > > However, in general, my style of research is working > backwards. > > That is, I study many charts and try to arrive at a > principle. > > (Or, I pick a principle and try to validate it using good > number > > of charts.) I may not be able to give any references to > Sanskrit > > shlokas etc. And, I have noticed that Astrologers in general > > don't value this. They look for some reference from a sage. > > > > Hence, even if I do some research on this specific topic, I > am > > sure there will not be many buyers. Hence, I generally pick > > areas that are closer to my heart when I do research. With > that > > I derive some satisfaction and I don't have the trouble of > > convincing others :-) I do share my work in my blog for > those > > few people who do respect the work done by mere mortals like > me. > > > > It gives a good feeling to be encouraged by people like you. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- lion_draco1983 lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear krishna ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > I find u doing reserch of many astrological principles . > > > > > > So why cannot u take the task of seeing the effect of moon > > > -sun yoga . > > > > > > > > > > > > As i think this is more than simple dwi graha yoga .As sun > and > > > moon are > > > very personal level planets and controller of all points > we > > > take while > > > in delintation of chart .panchanga effects or even birth > hora > > > ,masa ,day > > > all is based on sun and some based on their respective > > > distance . > > > > > > Also please consider the effect of nite birth in this > > > purticular > > > combination as in nite being amavasya moon the deha karaka > > > will be power > > > less .U should also concentrate the moon approaching sun > or > > > crossed sun > > > chart also for seeing the correct results . > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is a real challenge . > > > > > > All the best to u > > > > > > regrds Vijaya raghavan Guruvayur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreendah, > > > > > > > > I don't under estimate the need to study basics before > > > applying > > > > it in practice. It is very important in a scientific and > > > > structured approach. My mail was only a reaction to your > > > > following statement: > > > > > > > > <<[As you know, I don't like spending too much time on > > > specific > > > > charts ] >> > > > > > > > > Hope I am clear :-) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > I agree with you. But during study, I believe, good > amount > > > > > of time > > > > > should be first given to understanding the concept and > > > > > underlying > > > > > principles the sages propose, prior to applying the > same > > > with > > > > > boldness > > > > > in horoscopes. That is, I am approaching the question > from > > > a > > > > > learner's > > > > > perspective. I will explain - > > > > > * You must have noticed that when we discussed 'Sun in > > > > > various > > > > > houses' we got almost 80% of derivations right, to the > > > point. > > > > > i.e. > > > > > Apply to any horoscope - it would be true. > [House-Planet > > > Base] > > > > > * The same with the discussion on 'Lagna lord in > various > > > > > houses'. > > > > > Almost 80% or more truth in those derivations you can > > > expect > > > > > for sure > > > > > - and apply the same with confidence in various > charts. > > > [House > > > > > Base] > > > > > * Now comes the question " What about 2-planet > > > combinations? > > > > > Can you > > > > > confidently say that the derivations would be true up > to > > > 80% > > > > > or at > > > > > least up to 60%? " . [Planet Base] As you could clearly > see > > > - > > > > > the answer > > > > > is 'NO'! So the first step is to clear the grounds, > > > understand > > > > > the > > > > > basic rules - so that we can derive 'Planet Base' > > > derivations > > > > > - that > > > > > will become true at least to 80% accuracy - Which we > > > currently > > > > > don't > > > > > have in the same - as even your example clarifies. > > > > > That is why I emphasized - " First let us complete our > > > > > discussion on > > > > > Su-Mo combination (It is not complete yet). And then > we > > > will > > > > > look into > > > > > the charts with that combination. " Some of the > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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