Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over!

[Guest guest]

 

Dear friends,

Namasar!

There is a correction to the heading of the above

topic. The correct heading is “Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is

over”.

Regards,

AKK

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Kaul,

 

There is a special cell 'Religious Endowment/social affairs department

' You should send your request with details of the facts -such as to

second your dates, months and festivals that were or must be

celebrated in accordance to the ones with sound proof given.

 

Ask for an appointment to go in person and meet with the ones who make

the regular annual calendar for the Government sector.As per their

fixing of such dates and months and festival Government holidays, we

get the feed back and we are following the same dates being stated .

 

You must send your confirmed statement with a few religious heads you

are in contact with in the same neighbourhood ,you have to even make a

petition or an appeal, (a letter of appeal should work wonders) then

if this fails, go with a petition signed by many who second your idea

of celebrating the festivals in accordance to your facts.

 

All the best in all you do, no harm in trying, and you lose nothing by

trying as long as they are still respecting and permitting the

celebrations so far.

 

God Bless and protect you always,

 

Barbara Thyab Ali.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

>

>

> WAVES-Vedic , <Subhash Razdan, Moderator,>

> wrote:

>

> Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over!

>

>

> Dear Bhatnagar Sahib,

>

> Your humor (rather sarcasm) is well-taken. You probably, like many

> others, are tired of this topic of discussion. You may also have

> heard the term, " Two wrongs won't make it right " . You may want to

> ponder about that.

>

> Instead of appreciating Kaul Sahib's persistence and steadfastness,

> we are making fun of his diligence.

>

> Being an Engineer (and decision scientist) by profession myself, my

> mind is tuned to finding soultions..or solutions within a large

> confidence interval...and that is not hard, especially if we are

> convinced that the dates of celebrations may be out of order.

>

> To my understanding, Kaul Sahib has done an amazing job in ensuring

> people get the message under odds and under so much of attack from

> the so called opponents....That I believe was phase I.

>

> Now people like you and other scholars should look into Phase to

> ensure that people do not go to mental asylums and police

> stations....Calendars can very easily be made to standardize after

> people like you and me overcome the apathy. For that, lets dream

> on...

>

> Being a Moderator of this Bulletin Board, I know how much agony I

> have personally undergone to keep this discussion ongoing. ...I must

> however add, my hats off to Kaul Sahib's resilience and

> relentlessness. I do agree that while we disaggree with folks like

> Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant, we have no right to ridicule their

> (Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant) knowledge....My understanding of that

> has been that by sticking to his point of view, Kaul Sahib has not

> been disgraceful to them, but disagreable, no doubt.

>

> For now, I would like to say, we had adequate discussion on this

> subject. Lets find folks now who would deal with the Government

> Babus and other scholars to get the facts straightened out. Maybe

> you should start dealing with the Government Babus on this subject

> since you understand their mentality better.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> Subash Razdan, Moderator.

>

>

> WAVES-Vedic , Pushkar Bhatnagar

> <bhatnagar_pushkar@> wrote:

>

> Dear Kaul Sahib,

>

> Namskar.

>

> I returned to web recently, after a gap of about one and a half

> year. Even after such a long time I find you stuck at the same place

> in your mission " to change the destiny of this nation by making them

> celebrate the festivals on the `right' dates " . It is painful to find

> that you have not moved forward even by an inch in this noble cause.

>

> I want to celebrate the festivals on dates prescribed by you –

> simply out of sympathy – but my fear is that if I do so, I would

> look such a big fool in the entire neighbourhood.

>

> Just imagine Pushkar Bhatnagar, who is otherwise considered a

> respectable person, starts throwing colour and water on others on a

> day when no one else is celebrating Holi ! I am sure police will be

> called in action immediately and I will need your help to explain to

> the policemen that it was the `actual' Holi festival according to

> Vedas.

>

> If I celebrate Dussehra on the day you suggest, I will have to

> first make a Ravan's effigy myself, erect it all by myself in a

> nearby park and perhaps burn it also all alone. My worst fear is

> that my neighbours may not take me to a mental asylum for doing such

> deeds. In that case also I will have to call you to my rescue so

> that you may explain to them why it was the correct Dussehra day.

> The misfortune of my neighbours is that they do not know much about

> internet, much less about and further less about your

> work on the correct dates of Indian festivals.

>

> In fact many a times I wanted to ask a very pertinent question

> that whether your own children, grand children and next door

> neighbours celebrate these festivals on the dates recommended by

> you? With your great credentials I am sure you must be commanding

> huge influence on them at least. Hope you will oblige me with a

> straight `yes' or `no' answer.

>

> Now I have a serious suggestion to make.

>

> You see in India much before the advent of the New Year,

> Government publishes the diary, calendar and prepares the list of

> holidays for all these festivals of the forthcoming year. We are

> used to those dates as they are almost official festival dates

> because not only Govt offices other establishments also follow these

> dates and remain close. Most of the times we do not run to any

> jyotishi or consult Panchang to know the date of any particular

> festival. We simply look at calendar. Therefore, dates which are

> followed by government becomes the actual date for celebrating that

> festival.

>

> My suggestion to you is that instead of wasting your time in these

> trying to convince members about the `correct dates'

> you hit the nail at the head and convince Government. If they revise

> the dates according to your recommendations entire nation will start

> following what you say and I am sure not only your own children even

> we will also start celebrating festivals with you without any fear

> of landing up in a police station or mental asylum.

>

> To my mind there should a desk in Home Ministry dealing with this

> subject in Government of India. Just keep a few small points in mind

> while dealing with government. 1. Do not begin your lecture by

> criticizing Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant. Say what you want to say

> but keep some regards for some people like Aryabhatta. Our country

> has a tradition of respecting the elders and dead. Atleast be

> merciful to them, we all know that he was a cheat and much less

> intelligent than you. 2. Do not give irrelevant references to some

> books and authors which have nothing to do with the point under

> consideration. Unlike the members of , who accept all

> rubbish, Government Babus appreciate only precise and to the point

> discussion. We know that you keep making irrelevant references in

> your messages to show how `well read' you are but you see in dealing

> with government it may be counter productive. And finally, for God

> sake, if you happen to visit their office, do not jump into the

> discussion between two other persons. I know it is your habit and

> you will strain a lot to restrain yourself but we have to bear all

> this to get our work done from government. After all there is a

> price for everything we get!!

>

> I wish you very Good Luck in your endeavour.

>

> Regards

>

> Pushkar

>

>

> jyotirved <jyotirved@> wrote:

>

>

> Dear friends,

> Namasar!

> There is a correction to the heading of the above topic. The

> correct heading is " Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over " .

> Regards,

> AKK

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friend,

Namaskar!

Many thanks for your suggestion that I should approach the GOI to

streamline our calendars!

 

There was a similar suggestion from Dr. Anand M. Sharan from a

different forum. I have replied that post and the same should be

available on this forum in a day or so!

Kindly peruse that reply and do let me know if there is some other

way out!

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

 

, " ayeshathyabali "

<ayeshathyabali wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dear Mr Kaul,

>

> There is a special cell 'Religious Endowment/social affairs

department

> ' You should send your request with details of the facts -such as

to

> second your dates, months and festivals that were or must be

> celebrated in accordance to the ones with sound proof given.

>

> Ask for an appointment to go in person and meet with the ones who

make

> the regular annual calendar for the Government sector.As per their

> fixing of such dates and months and festival Government holidays,

we

> get the feed back and we are following the same dates being

stated .

>

> You must send your confirmed statement with a few religious heads

you

> are in contact with in the same neighbourhood ,you have to even

make a

> petition or an appeal, (a letter of appeal should work wonders)

then

> if this fails, go with a petition signed by many who second your

idea

> of celebrating the festivals in accordance to your facts.

>

> All the best in all you do, no harm in trying, and you lose

nothing by

> trying as long as they are still respecting and permitting the

> celebrations so far.

>

> God Bless and protect you always,

>

> Barbara Thyab Ali.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Avtar Krishen

Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > WAVES-Vedic , <Subhash Razdan,

Moderator,>

> > wrote:

> >

> > Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over!

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhatnagar Sahib,

> >

> > Your humor (rather sarcasm) is well-taken. You probably, like

many

> > others, are tired of this topic of discussion. You may also have

> > heard the term, " Two wrongs won't make it right " . You may want

to

> > ponder about that.

> >

> > Instead of appreciating Kaul Sahib's persistence and

steadfastness,

> > we are making fun of his diligence.

> >

> > Being an Engineer (and decision scientist) by profession myself,

my

> > mind is tuned to finding soultions..or solutions within a large

> > confidence interval...and that is not hard, especially if we are

> > convinced that the dates of celebrations may be out of order.

> >

> > To my understanding, Kaul Sahib has done an amazing job in

ensuring

> > people get the message under odds and under so much of attack

from

> > the so called opponents....That I believe was phase I.

> >

> > Now people like you and other scholars should look into Phase to

> > ensure that people do not go to mental asylums and police

> > stations....Calendars can very easily be made to standardize

after

> > people like you and me overcome the apathy. For that, lets dream

> > on...

> >

> > Being a Moderator of this Bulletin Board, I know how much agony

I

> > have personally undergone to keep this discussion ongoing. ...I

must

> > however add, my hats off to Kaul Sahib's resilience and

> > relentlessness. I do agree that while we disaggree with folks

like

> > Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant, we have no right to ridicule their

> > (Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant) knowledge....My understanding of

that

> > has been that by sticking to his point of view, Kaul Sahib has

not

> > been disgraceful to them, but disagreable, no doubt.

> >

> > For now, I would like to say, we had adequate discussion on this

> > subject. Lets find folks now who would deal with the Government

> > Babus and other scholars to get the facts straightened out.

Maybe

> > you should start dealing with the Government Babus on this

subject

> > since you understand their mentality better.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > Subash Razdan, Moderator.

> >

> >

> > WAVES-Vedic , Pushkar Bhatnagar

> > <bhatnagar_pushkar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kaul Sahib,

> >

> > Namskar.

> >

> > I returned to web recently, after a gap of about one and a

half

> > year. Even after such a long time I find you stuck at the same

place

> > in your mission " to change the destiny of this nation by making

them

> > celebrate the festivals on the `right' dates " . It is painful to

find

> > that you have not moved forward even by an inch in this noble

cause.

> >

> > I want to celebrate the festivals on dates prescribed by you –

> > simply out of sympathy – but my fear is that if I do so, I would

> > look such a big fool in the entire neighbourhood.

> >

> > Just imagine Pushkar Bhatnagar, who is otherwise considered a

> > respectable person, starts throwing colour and water on others

on a

> > day when no one else is celebrating Holi ! I am sure police will

be

> > called in action immediately and I will need your help to

explain to

> > the policemen that it was the `actual' Holi festival according

to

> > Vedas.

> >

> > If I celebrate Dussehra on the day you suggest, I will have to

> > first make a Ravan's effigy myself, erect it all by myself in a

> > nearby park and perhaps burn it also all alone. My worst fear is

> > that my neighbours may not take me to a mental asylum for doing

such

> > deeds. In that case also I will have to call you to my rescue so

> > that you may explain to them why it was the correct Dussehra

day.

> > The misfortune of my neighbours is that they do not know much

about

> > internet, much less about and further less about

your

> > work on the correct dates of Indian festivals.

> >

> > In fact many a times I wanted to ask a very pertinent question

> > that whether your own children, grand children and next door

> > neighbours celebrate these festivals on the dates recommended by

> > you? With your great credentials I am sure you must be

commanding

> > huge influence on them at least. Hope you will oblige me with a

> > straight `yes' or `no' answer.

> >

> > Now I have a serious suggestion to make.

> >

> > You see in India much before the advent of the New Year,

> > Government publishes the diary, calendar and prepares the list

of

> > holidays for all these festivals of the forthcoming year. We are

> > used to those dates as they are almost official festival dates

> > because not only Govt offices other establishments also follow

these

> > dates and remain close. Most of the times we do not run to any

> > jyotishi or consult Panchang to know the date of any particular

> > festival. We simply look at calendar. Therefore, dates which are

> > followed by government becomes the actual date for celebrating

that

> > festival.

> >

> > My suggestion to you is that instead of wasting your time in

these

> > trying to convince members about the `correct

dates'

> > you hit the nail at the head and convince Government. If they

revise

> > the dates according to your recommendations entire nation will

start

> > following what you say and I am sure not only your own children

even

> > we will also start celebrating festivals with you without any

fear

> > of landing up in a police station or mental asylum.

> >

> > To my mind there should a desk in Home Ministry dealing with

this

> > subject in Government of India. Just keep a few small points in

mind

> > while dealing with government. 1. Do not begin your lecture by

> > criticizing Aryabhatta or Surya Sidhant. Say what you want to

say

> > but keep some regards for some people like Aryabhatta. Our

country

> > has a tradition of respecting the elders and dead. Atleast be

> > merciful to them, we all know that he was a cheat and much less

> > intelligent than you. 2. Do not give irrelevant references to

some

> > books and authors which have nothing to do with the point under

> > consideration. Unlike the members of , who accept all

> > rubbish, Government Babus appreciate only precise and to the

point

> > discussion. We know that you keep making irrelevant references

in

> > your messages to show how `well read' you are but you see in

dealing

> > with government it may be counter productive. And finally, for

God

> > sake, if you happen to visit their office, do not jump into the

> > discussion between two other persons. I know it is your habit

and

> > you will strain a lot to restrain yourself but we have to bear

all

> > this to get our work done from government. After all there is a

> > price for everything we get!!

> >

> > I wish you very Good Luck in your endeavour.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Pushkar

> >

> >

> > jyotirved <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear friends,

> > Namasar!

> > There is a correction to the heading of the above topic. The

> > correct heading is " Sharat Purnima after Sharat-Ritu is over " .

> > Regards,

> > AKK

> >

>