Appeal to Sunil Nair : Stop MAKING WILD CLAIM --

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Hare krishna,

dear ram jaswal ji .

 

I expect u to read all my messages ,i always write with content only .But i always say that i dont claim i am 100% true and u shud follow me only .Its my simplicity ,Dont take that word and re quote .

 

if some thing happened in history we can only use various resourses still available and re check it .

 

some similarities in name can always mislead one .

 

U know in history even winning clans plunder the wealth of knowledge of defeated one .Even kingly gotras may be ran away to forests and many forest gotras may be descendants of great kings .Its all possible .But one point of history will prove what is true .

 

Its not my duty to spent crores of ruppees in reserch and proove it in frnt of u .The diffenrce of opinions only will lead to new thought s.

 

Here i am being targetted because i dont contempt some thing aht some one want --i made so many times my stand very clear ,4 or 5 ppl wont make a crowd ,if all the members or majority decide to stop this tread we can stop it .

 

differrence in opinion has lead to the real growth of world .

 

Ur id is showing a UK adress --ask london police abt jack the ripper case ,still they will tell u possible 3 names ,may advancement of scince will prove the mistery also .

 

I heard ( again i am using the same words ) the 13th lost gotra of isralies they find in some part of afghnistan known s beni isralies and many of the memebers they air lifted ,so they could trace ppl from differrent parts of world even they undergrown even physical changes ,some gotra they find from afrika and they r known as black jews .

 

so history will go on like this .Pls dont waist my time ,talk with content

 

regds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

 

, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Sunil Nair ji> > Yes everyone can have an opinion and are entitled to do so - But surely some> thought should be put into it? What's the point of writing trivia without> Any substance?> > Agreed no one can be 100% accurate But at least think positively before> putting pen to paper - forum is to "share" knowledge Not Trivia!!!> > Hoping my comments have been taken on-board?> > Best wishes ...> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of sunil nair> 18 October 2007 21:55> > Re: Appeal to Sunil Nair : Stop MAKING> WILD CLAIM --> > Hare ramakrishna,> dear ram jaswal ji .> History is always his story -the storey of winners .> So 100% proof and things like that wont work out and in a discussions every> body can say his opinions .> hope matter is clear now .> regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> , "Ram Jaswal" rkjaswal@> wrote:> >> > Namaste Sunil Nair> > > > If you don't feel your "observations" are 100% correct then may I enquire> as> > to Why you don't check them fully before putting your thoughts on a public> > forum?> > > > Please refrain from writing further on this Topic without doing your> > Homework fully!!> > > > Regards> > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > > Ram> > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of sunil nair> > 18 October 2007 20:52> > > > Re: Appeal to Sunil Nair : Stop MAKING> > WILD CLA IM --> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear prabhat mishra ji ,> > sadar pranam .> > Yes ,i was quoting what i hav seen or known to me .> > I dont claim that my observations r 100% correct ,thanks for the mail> > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > , prabhat_shcil@ wrote:> > >> > > dear sunil ji , > > > > > > saprem pranam --- > > > > > > when i talked about sanatan dharm - I mean all the races came from the> > signle source - so across the world most of the ancient civilisation has> > similar kind of traditions and sometimes similar rituals and ancient god. > > > > > > If we think that we BHARATVARSH - was the fountainhead of all the> religion> > and civilisation than obviously our influences were spread wide .( which i> > agree in my heart - but i am searching for p roofs) > > > > > > In most of the civilisation there are some common god like - MOON , SUN> ,> > FIRE GOD etc . > > > > > > one more striking story you will find in all the three great religion ie> > Vedic , Cristian , Islam is story of MAHAPRALAY - and a boat in which all> > the living being were put together by a GREAT MAN - we call him MANU . > > > > > > Regarding me posting net copies - i am getting it from reliable sites -> > UNIVERSITIES , GOVT ORGANISATION of respective countries . and credibile> > reasearch paper - of modern time who have more resources and have> > independent mind - without any hidden agenda. > > > > > > I am not going to post any controversial topic like VIKRAMADITYA built> the> > KABA - un less and untill i am 100% sure of the source , its authenticity> ,> > credibilty and have sufficient back up proof . and source is highly> > acclaimed or simply put forward has AAA credibilty . > > > > > > > > > Now come to the VIKRAMIDTYA and KABA - yes indeed there is a thread -> some> > Text available - In turkish museum - which said - VIKRAMADITYA sent few of> > his preist to ARAB world - to enlighten those people - spread some> knowledge> > / wisdom ------- nothing more than that - if there is anything more than> > that it only wild guess of someone till now . > > > > > > I have the proof to prove my words with research paper / sites with AAA> c> > redibilty - and secular image- not a posting by some fanatic element. > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Prabaht Mishra > > > > > > prabhat mishra > > > Dubai- UAE > > > Mob No 00971508876536 < !-- right number: image --> > > > > > > - > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > ancient indian astrology > > > Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:22:00 +0530 (IST) > > > Re: Appeal to Sunil Nair : Stop> MAKING> > WILD CLAIM -- > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna. > > > > > > dear prabhat ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > Did i make any wild claims .Wat i was telling was ram and ramayana was > > > celebrated in so many countries .I never claimed my observersions are > > > 100% correct .PPl with more resourses can always help us in finding the > > > truth .or do u think that indian influence was limited only to himalaya > > > to kanyakumari .Be open and accept facts . > > > < BR>> > > > > > > > Now i find in one internent forum, the kaaba was built by changragupta > > > vikaramaditya.can i go and see inside kaaba and veryfy it . > > > > > > > > > > > > u also posted some net copies ,the truth may be one of this . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , prabhat_shcil@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR SUNIL JI , > > > > > > > > > > > > DIFFERENT WORD IN DIFFERENT CULTURE / LANGUAGE MAY HAVE DIFFERENT > > > MEANING - > > & g t; > > > > > RAM OF EGYPT WHICH YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT SHRI RAM - BUT AN > > > ANIMAL - CALLED GOAT " > > > > > > > > PLEASE DONT VENTURE IN TO ARENA - WHERE YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS LIMITED , > > > AND THIS CAN MISLEAD PEOPLE . READ ANYWHERE WHAT THE MEANING OF RAM IS > > > in EGYPT ITS AN ANIMAL - SIMILAR TO GOAT - ( PLEASE DONT MAKE WILD > > > CLAIMS) > > > > > > > > YOU WILL FIND MANY CARVING IN THEIR TOMB - WHICH HAVE PEOPLE WAERING > > > GOAT MASK - "\\ > > > > > > > > PLAESE READ THE TEXT GIVEN BELOW AND DECIDE - AND I REQUEST YOU ONCE > > > AGAIN DONT CREATE SOME WILD GUESS THEORY AND I ALSO WONDER THE KNOWLEDGE> > > > OF SO CALLED EGYTOLOGIST . NOW AFTER READING BELOW GIVEN TEXT " A WELL > > > RESEARCH TOPIC ON EGYPT" YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT RAM AND RAMSES MEAN . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ancient Egypt was famous throughout the ancient world for its many > > > varied gods and goddesses, as well as for their worship of a nimals (or > > > more correctly animals as manifestations of gods). Bulls, cows, cats, > > > dogs, geese, crocodiles and even scarab beetles, along with many other > > > animals were the object of such worship as embodiments of gods. Some > > > animals, such as the Apris Bull seem to have been worshipped > > > specifically in their physical animal form. They might have been seen in> > > > a very similar manner to the single statue of a specific god in a > > > temple's shrine, being the earthly manifestation of that god, which in > > > the case of the Apris Bull, was Ptah. They are often referred to as > > > temple animals, and one specific beast was chosen for this honor. Other > > > animals such as the goose, an early manifestation of Amun, were kept in > > > numbers and appear to have not been given the sacred status of the > > > individual temple animals. One animal associated with perha ps some of > > & gt; Egypt's best known and most important gods was the Ram, who like the> > > > bull, seems to have also been specifically worshipped as a temple > > > animal, though we currently know much less about this cult then that of > > > the Apris bull. The ram was associated with various gods from Egypt's > > > earliest periods even though sheep were considered not to be clean, or > > > pure, by the ancient Egyptians. > > > > Throughout history, rams have been important to mythological and > > > religious concepts, associated with ancient gods from all over the > > > world. The ram even became a symbol of Christ in ancient times. They > > > also sometimes suffered from religion, being the objects of sacrifice to> > > > various gods. In fact, perhaps one of the most famous ancient accounts > > > of a ram involves one in the Old Testament that Abraham found trapped by> > > & g t; its horns in a thicket on Mount Moriah where he had gone to> sacrifice > > > his only son Isaac. [Gen 22:1-14] An angel stopped the hand of Abraham > > > just as he was about to kill his boy and the ram was sacrificed in his > > > stead. > > > > > > > > The ram, like the bull, was perhaps even more venerated by the ancient> > > > Egyptians for its fertility, as well as for its warlike attributes. As a> > > > temple animal at such locations as Mendes and Karnak, a single animal > > > appears to have been cared for and treated very similar to the holiest > > > of god's statues within the temple. These individual rams were almost > > > certainly taken to visit the gods at other temples, and could give > > > oracles (usually by some act to a yes or no question). > > > > > > > > The very earliest gods that were depicted with ram features were > > > probably based on the ram species known as Ovis longipes palaeoagytiaca > > > known from predynastic times. Khnum, an important god throughout Egypt, > > > but especial ly at Elephantine, who created mankind and even gods on his> > > > potters will, was apparently depicted as this species, with its long > > > wavy horns and heavy build, as was Banebdjedet (Ba-neb-Tetet), an early > > > ram headed god at Mendes. Banebdjedet was the manifestation of the Lord > > > of Djedet, as well as the ba, or soul of another of ancient Egypt's most> > > > famous gods, Osiris. In fact, Osiris is often depicted with a pair of > > > ram horns attached to the base of his atef crown also from this earliest> > > > species of ram. > > > > > > > > Fairly recent excavations at Mendes have exposed an early Old Kingdom > > > and First Intermediary Period Temple dedicated to the ram god, as well > > > as the "hypogeum ", apparently a facility that might be considered the > > > ram oriented equivalent of the Serapeum, where the sacred Apris bulls > > > were buried at Saqqara. The most recent information on its excavation > > > i ndicates that twelve granite and three limestone ram sarcophagi were > > > discovered in the hypogeum, > > > > > > > > Later in Egyptian history, a second species of ram known as Ovis aries> > > > platyra aegyptiaca, a curved horn ram, appeared around the 12th Dynasty > > > of Egypt's Middle Kingdom. The most important deity of Egypt's New > > > Kingdom and later periods, Amun, seems to have been associated with this> > > > species of Ram. Amun is sometimes referred to as "lord of the two horns"> > > > and on his splendid, gilded, wooden festival boat a ram's head adorned > > > both its prow and stern. As most people who have ever visited Luxor > > > (ancient Thebes) a re probably aware, the processional road to the> Temple > > > of Amun was flanked with ram headed lion sphinxes, each one guarding > > > between its front legs a statue of the pharaoh. > > > > > > > > There were actually a number of other gods of ancient Egypt associated> > > > with the ram, either having ram heads, or sometimes simply ram horns. > > > These included Arsaphes (Herishef, Harsaphes), a god of Heracleopolis, > > > Kherty (or perhaps Cherti), a ram headed god that probably originated at> > > > Letopolis and had a dual nature being both hostile and protective, > > > Andjety, who's main cult center was at Busiris in the Delta and who was > > > in many aspects the precursor of Osiris, Auf (Efu Ra), who was an aspect> > > > of the sun god, Re as a ram headed deity surmounted by a sun disk, and > > > Harmakhet, a variant of Horus, who was the God of the dawn and of the > > & gt; morning sun, who was depicted in the form of a sphinx or a sphinx> with > > > the head of a ram. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prabhat mishra > > > > Dubai- UAE > > > > Mob No 00971508876536 > > > > > > > > - > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > ancient indian astrology > > > > Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:26:05 +0530 (IST) > > > > Re: Appeal to Sunil Nair : Stop > > > Abusing Sage Valmiki in Your Group > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > dear lalit mishra . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think any discussion on ramayana or valmiki will erode the > > > > foot hold of a religion or a dharma ( rememebr we cal it sanatan > > > dharma) > > > > ,like all discussion s we will hav pro and anti opinions .It shud be > > > > that way also ,if all r discussing same wa y it will become an > > > autocratic > > > > discussion only . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let ppl discuss,no body can sppress the truth ,so u r welcome to > > > present > > > > ur opinions my frnds like sri ANS sarman also write he has > > > differrences > > > > ,but with all respect to all ppl we r doing a healthy discussion >dont> > > > > be like bin ladens ,we r from a cultu re were all religions find the > > > > abode and our kings were not worried abt peace full discussions or > > > > propogations .But later stages of history it has given way to force > > > > ,alluring ,utilising the poverty to change numbers in their favr . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here the duty entrusted to me was keep moderate the grp ,and allow all> > > > > kind of chintas and thoughts .it will evolve a more healthy society > > > with > > > > more understanding and mutual respect only .Even i know rpsing was > > > false > > > > id ,but i allow it to pass all opinions ,u can see even today some one> > > > > crticized me ,i dont care what others think as i blv every body has > > > rite > > > > to say their opinions . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur welcome to the group and u can also present ur opinions , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way sri ram was official god of pheroh s of egypt and i find a > > > > document that ramayana was blved by them ,Even u can see the pharoah s> > > > > of egypt the creaters of great pyramids who lived 5000 or 6000 years > > > b4 > > > > has their name ramses_1 or ramses -2 like this .Actualy that document > > > > given to me by a egyptologist --i think its missing from my collection> > > > > at home town .They cal king dasa ratha as dasruth and valmiki as > > > > BALMISHKI like this ,may be it s wrong or forged docum ent also .But > > > > those who know history know that all kings of egypt has their title > > > > along with names Ramsess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so think ramayana was celebrated in differrent part of the world ,Tai> < BR>> > > landis blv all happened in their mother land ,even they will show> u > > > > ayodhya ,and seetha ji birth place and other minute details in thier > > > > geography . > > > > > > > > In palastine there is a place known as Ramallah .It arabic the word > > > > murram(the noun form of ram ) meaning is lakhshya or aim or maarga > > > > ,those who know arabic can correct me . > > > > > > > > so think a democratic discussion will not harm any interests it will > > > > empower only the real dharma . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > Ps --Sree nad h ji is away for a official work so pls bear with us for> > > > > starting any discussions within 3 or 4 days . > > > > > > > > Thinks discu ssion means it is not winning over any body ,we r knowing> > > > > more only each parties ,so no one way imparting of opinions will be > > > > possible here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astro.caro" > > > > astro.caro@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I just joined ur group, , I m shocked to see> > > > > > the way ur favorite Sreenadh is abusing Sage Valmiki and Ramayana > > > > > with his handful knowledge and the way u r silently supporting to > > > > > him. pls. dont be a double standard person, collect ur courage to > > > > > stop him. > > > > > > > > > > Pls. dont allow him to play with our own heritage, dont give him > > > > > clean chit. > > > > > > > > > > If he has so much to say and proove, ask him to join this group and > > > i > > > > > m ready to show a mirror to him in which he could see his dirty > > > face. > > > > > I m shocked to see that you are supporting to him. Pls. dont do > > > > > this. I have cleared IAS prelims with Indian History , though, right> > > > > > now, i have no book of history with me, I m able to give him proper > > > > > replies to shut his mouth up. > > > > > > > > > > I know u wont like me saying openly this in the group but to blast > > > > > any conspiracy open fight is manadatory. convey my challange to him.> > > > > > my id in yr group is : astro.caro > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit Mishr a. > > > > > > > & g t; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > My life has changed. What about yours? > > > > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > My life has changed. What about yours?> > > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!> > >> >>