Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, Respected sai ram ji Thanks for the wonderfull post . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:>> Sairaman good morning all members,> > really a wounderful discussion and explanation as theroot question that if the 4th lord in own house that too lagnathipathi in 4th and the dasa gets heart attack> > so many so many explanation can be given as postmartem by astrologers> > however as a common man has anybody could not be imagine a heart trouble > > but as the senior moderators and experienced members like Shri Pranav and Sreenath has already explained there are so many rules in astrology and unless and until well read with root of foundation we cannot come to a conclusion> > we can give give so many reasons : The basic rule even if lagnathipathi being a natural benefic should not occupy a kenthra kenthra is is four leg of a table and kona is the roof kenthras gives heavy strain and wherever a slow moving malefics occupies 4 8 12 from dasa lord it should be watched and can expect some danger the bukthi lord has planets in 4 6 8 from its location and a aspect of deblitated saturn and mars the blood karaka aspect from exalted position to the 8th house of danger and health problems the malefics in general exaltation is good forfinance and money not for health moreover the 6th lord venus is with saturn the opersistant disease karagha with kethu and aspect of mars and rathu > whenever 6,8,12 th lords with melefics it is always a danger there is one more dictum in kalapurusha lagnathipathi mars is also the 8th lord and whever lagnathipathi is placed it is a place of trouble and danger if it benefic it should occupy, 5, 9, 11, and 1 and if it is malefics it can occupy 4,6,10,3 and 11 however to which bhava it is 6,8,12 it should be noted togive trouble the 6 8 12 lords should not have melefics links in conjunction like saturn raghu and mars > > i know one more person in same 1939 danur lagna 2nd mars 4th jupiter and 5th saturn .... also had heart attack and surgery > > we should try to link the kalapurusha with karagha and bhava and try imagine a situation and also take the planet location also as a lagna and see the resutls whether the important houses are well placed jupier taking as meena lagna and 6th lord is with 4th lord mercury and 8th lord with saturn and kethu > > one lady kanya lagna having venus in 9th and mars and raghu in leo 4th from venus having uterus trouble and leading for surgery and she is lamenting what sir venus is very good in 9th house may it is good for other things however as squaredby extreme malefics health problems > > the 6 bar 8 of a dhasa that too of melecs in 8th of dasa lords in general gives without doubt health dangers > > for danur lagna 5th house lord is also 12th lord and 6 th house is also 11th house lord as they 6/8 and 5th is relief from disease and 11th is also cure it is a tight position it can relief only after admitting the trouble of pains > > many read only the statement that lagnathipathi in 4th house in own house and lagnathipathis best position 3, 11 and for melefics 3,6,10,11 and kenthras and for benecfics 1,5,9,3,11> > all the more important is age also at this age he cannot construct house, think of going school marriage and job etc as such we have to think in line of health > > > father and father in law having venus dasa after 70 years and extreme trouble basically in health and family > > > many people generally comment (including myself) many vips walk with good dress food comforts etc i life with out any trouble as we see but we do not know what is there trouble inside house health finance etc > > members pls if anything wrong in my ideas and statements pls correct me do not use bad language and criticise as it damages the moods and spirits of writing> > Thank y all with best regards and wishes> > > SAIRAMAN> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: Dear Dhruv ji,> Thanks for the knowledgeable post - and for shedding light > towards 'Shambhu Hora prakash' reference. Please continue to be a > member and keep posting..> > ==>> > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group.> > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group > > postings.> <==> Please don't leave the group - if the just happens that the 'mud > slinging' happens at times - sorry for that. If not people like you, > who will guide the others. So please be patient for a day - things > will be clear. > Love,> Sreenadh> > , dhruv sharma > dhruv_gs@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mr Razdan,> > > > There is no need to go into complex analysis of the horoscope. You > asked for a simple reason as per the ancient vedic astrology > principles.> > The answer is that yes there is a clear definitive indication to > heart disease in your horoscope. > > anyone who has read the founding books would have read the Shambhoo > hora prakash and would know that heart disease is clearly there in > your chart.> > > > You can yourself read the shambhoo hora prakash chapter for body > parts with dreshkkan.> > > > I quote " When the birth is in second dreshkkan then the 5th and > 9th house represent the heart " > > > > The 9th lord sun is in 6th house and 5th house is afflicted by ketu > and debilitated marak saturn along with 6th lord venus. > > > > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group.> > > > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group postings.> > > > regards> > Dhruv> > www.theastro.com> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear > Razdan ji,> > I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always > use > > and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The > > Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss > your > > chart.> > Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the > > planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will > give > > a detailed response later). > > You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well -> > * Lagna = Sagittarius > > * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra> > * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn> > * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces> > * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus.> > > > This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points > > should be noted -> > * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous > > cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar > dasa)> > * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per > Moon > > Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was > > running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running.> > > > Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju > is > > in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us > > analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will > do > > (for sep. 2007).> > > > * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the > Dasa > > is ending. It is "Dasa Sandhi" Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that > Ju > > and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive > for > > the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad > could > > happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna > lord. > > * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th, > > Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is > falling > > in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is > bad. > > Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya > Pooja > > as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. > Again > > the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the > > 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation - > > did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!!> > * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the > house > > of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns > one > > of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck.> > * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why > > should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart, > i.e. > > 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart? > Hmm.. > > But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra > > having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point > of > > time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory. > > * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is > weak > > or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of > > time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root > > connection is 4th house? > > 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's > > exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of > Ve > > being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign)> > 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation > > sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign)> > > > Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note > that -> > Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart)> > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > 4th, > > Pisces - can indicate heart)> > Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart)> > > > Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting > > Vimsottari from Lagna) note that -> > Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can > indicate > > heart)> > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > 4th, > > Pisces - can indicate heart)> > Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is > placed > > in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart)> > > > But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of > > Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's > Navamsa > > falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer > > (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a > minute > > hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this > result, > > and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its > effect! > > That is what happened.> > But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation > between > > Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and > clotting > > of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good > > longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will > > continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding > > longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you > know, > > by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming > > March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon. > > Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know > > traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest > assured > > that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "pnrazdan" > > <pnrazdan@> wrote:> > >> > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to> > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the > > basis> > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > after> > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this > event > > as> > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > birth> > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > 74E48,34N05)> > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and > Sun > > the> > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is > no > > bad> > > aspect to the fourth house.> > > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses> > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of > the> > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as > to > > why> > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a> > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological> > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on> > > predictive aspect of Jyotish.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > FareChase.> >> > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Sairaman, Thanks Rgds/ M Nair (Pranav) , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:>> Sairaman good morning all members,> > really a wounderful discussion and explanation as theroot question that if the 4th lord in own house that too lagnathipathi in 4th and the dasa gets heart attack> > so many so many explanation can be given as postmartem by astrologers> > however as a common man has anybody could not be imagine a heart trouble > > but as the senior moderators and experienced members like Shri Pranav and Sreenath has already explained there are so many rules in astrology and unless and until well read with root of foundation we cannot come to a conclusion> > we can give give so many reasons : The basic rule even if lagnathipathi being a natural benefic should not occupy a kenthra kenthra is is four leg of a table and kona is the roof kenthras gives heavy strain and wherever a slow moving malefics occupies 4 8 12 from dasa lord it should be watched and can expect some danger the bukthi lord has planets in 4 6 8 from its location and a aspect of deblitated saturn and mars the blood karaka aspect from exalted position to the 8th house of danger and health problems the malefics in general exaltation is good forfinance and money not for health moreover the 6th lord venus is with saturn the opersistant disease karagha with kethu and aspect of mars and rathu > whenever 6,8,12 th lords with melefics it is always a danger there is one more dictum in kalapurusha lagnathipathi mars is also the 8th lord and whever lagnathipathi is placed it is a place of trouble and danger if it benefic it should occupy, 5, 9, 11, and 1 and if it is malefics it can occupy 4,6,10,3 and 11 however to which bhava it is 6,8,12 it should be noted togive trouble the 6 8 12 lords should not have melefics links in conjunction like saturn raghu and mars > > i know one more person in same 1939 danur lagna 2nd mars 4th jupiter and 5th saturn .... also had heart attack and surgery > > we should try to link the kalapurusha with karagha and bhava and try imagine a situation and also take the planet location also as a lagna and see the resutls whether the important houses are well placed jupier taking as meena lagna and 6th lord is with 4th lord mercury and 8th lord with saturn and kethu > > one lady kanya lagna having venus in 9th and mars and raghu in leo 4th from venus having uterus trouble and leading for surgery and she is lamenting what sir venus is very good in 9th house may it is good for other things however as squaredby extreme malefics health problems > > the 6 bar 8 of a dhasa that too of melecs in 8th of dasa lords in general gives without doubt health dangers > > for danur lagna 5th house lord is also 12th lord and 6 th house is also 11th house lord as they 6/8 and 5th is relief from disease and 11th is also cure it is a tight position it can relief only after admitting the trouble of pains > > many read only the statement that lagnathipathi in 4th house in own house and lagnathipathis best position 3, 11 and for melefics 3,6,10,11 and kenthras and for benecfics 1,5,9,3,11> > all the more important is age also at this age he cannot construct house, think of going school marriage and job etc as such we have to think in line of health > > > father and father in law having venus dasa after 70 years and extreme trouble basically in health and family > > > many people generally comment (including myself) many vips walk with good dress food comforts etc i life with out any trouble as we see but we do not know what is there trouble inside house health finance etc > > members pls if anything wrong in my ideas and statements pls correct me do not use bad language and criticise as it damages the moods and spirits of writing> > Thank y all with best regards and wishes> > > SAIRAMAN> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: Dear Dhruv ji,> Thanks for the knowledgeable post - and for shedding light > towards 'Shambhu Hora prakash' reference. Please continue to be a > member and keep posting..> > ==>> > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group.> > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group > > postings.> <==> Please don't leave the group - if the just happens that the 'mud > slinging' happens at times - sorry for that. If not people like you, > who will guide the others. So please be patient for a day - things > will be clear. > Love,> Sreenadh> > , dhruv sharma > dhruv_gs@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mr Razdan,> > > > There is no need to go into complex analysis of the horoscope. You > asked for a simple reason as per the ancient vedic astrology > principles.> > The answer is that yes there is a clear definitive indication to > heart disease in your horoscope. > > anyone who has read the founding books would have read the Shambhoo > hora prakash and would know that heart disease is clearly there in > your chart.> > > > You can yourself read the shambhoo hora prakash chapter for body > parts with dreshkkan.> > > > I quote " When the birth is in second dreshkkan then the 5th and > 9th house represent the heart " > > > > The 9th lord sun is in 6th house and 5th house is afflicted by ketu > and debilitated marak saturn along with 6th lord venus. > > > > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group.> > > > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group postings.> > > > regards> > Dhruv> > www.theastro.com> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear > Razdan ji,> > I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always > use > > and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The > > Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss > your > > chart.> > Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the > > planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will > give > > a detailed response later). > > You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well -> > * Lagna = Sagittarius > > * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra> > * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn> > * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces> > * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus.> > > > This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points > > should be noted -> > * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous > > cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar > dasa)> > * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per > Moon > > Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was > > running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running.> > > > Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju > is > > in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us > > analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will > do > > (for sep. 2007).> > > > * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the > Dasa > > is ending. It is "Dasa Sandhi" Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that > Ju > > and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive > for > > the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad > could > > happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna > lord. > > * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th, > > Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is > falling > > in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is > bad. > > Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya > Pooja > > as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. > Again > > the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the > > 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation - > > did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!!> > * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the > house > > of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns > one > > of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck.> > * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why > > should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart, > i.e. > > 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart? > Hmm.. > > But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra > > having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point > of > > time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory. > > * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is > weak > > or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of > > time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root > > connection is 4th house? > > 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's > > exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of > Ve > > being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign)> > 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation > > sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign)> > > > Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note > that -> > Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart)> > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > 4th, > > Pisces - can indicate heart)> > Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart)> > > > Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting > > Vimsottari from Lagna) note that -> > Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can > indicate > > heart)> > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > 4th, > > Pisces - can indicate heart)> > Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is > placed > > in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart)> > > > But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of > > Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's > Navamsa > > falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer > > (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a > minute > > hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this > result, > > and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its > effect! > > That is what happened.> > But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation > between > > Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and > clotting > > of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good > > longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will > > continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding > > longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you > know, > > by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming > > March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon. > > Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know > > traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest > assured > > that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "pnrazdan" > > <pnrazdan@> wrote:> > >> > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to> > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the > > basis> > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > after> > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this > event > > as> > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > birth> > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > 74E48,34N05)> > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and > Sun > > the> > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is > no > > bad> > > aspect to the fourth house.> > > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses> > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of > the> > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as > to > > why> > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a> > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological> > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on> > > predictive aspect of Jyotish.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > FareChase.> >> > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 A very good knowledgebase posting by sairaman53 (AT) (DOT) ... this is the approach or information expected by seniors IN KNOWLEDGE..... sairaman53@ has shown his age and knowledge....I bow to you as a mark of my respect to you !!! Surely with regards, sreeram srinivas > > , sairam nat > <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > Sairaman good morning all members, > > > > really a wounderful discussion and explanation as theroot question > that if the 4th lord in own house that too lagnathipathi in 4th and the > dasa gets heart attack > > > > so many so many explanation can be given as postmartem by astrologers > > > > however as a common man has anybody could not be imagine a heart > trouble > > > > but as the senior moderators and experienced members like Shri Pranav > and Sreenath has already explained there are so many rules in astrology > and unless and until well read with root of foundation we cannot come to > a conclusion > > > > we can give give so many reasons : The basic rule even if > lagnathipathi being a natural benefic should not occupy a kenthra > kenthra is is four leg of a table and kona is the roof kenthras gives > heavy strain and wherever a slow moving malefics occupies 4 8 12 from > dasa lord it should be watched and can expect some danger the bukthi > lord has planets in 4 6 8 from its location and a aspect of deblitated > saturn and mars the blood karaka aspect from exalted position to the 8th > house of danger and health problems the malefics in general exaltation > is good forfinance and money not for health moreover the 6th lord venus > is with saturn the opersistant disease karagha with kethu and aspect of > mars and rathu > > whenever 6,8,12 th lords with melefics it is always a danger there is > one more dictum in kalapurusha lagnathipathi mars is also the 8th lord > and whever lagnathipathi is placed it is a place of trouble and danger > if it benefic it should occupy, 5, 9, 11, and 1 and if it is malefics it > can occupy 4,6,10,3 and 11 however to which bhava it is 6,8,12 it should > be noted togive trouble the 6 8 12 lords should not have melefics links > in conjunction like saturn raghu and mars > > > > i know one more person in same 1939 danur lagna 2nd mars 4th jupiter > and 5th saturn .... also had heart attack and surgery > > > > we should try to link the kalapurusha with karagha and bhava and try > imagine a situation and also take the planet location also as a lagna > and see the resutls whether the important houses are well placed jupier > taking as meena lagna and 6th lord is with 4th lord mercury and 8th lord > with saturn and kethu > > > > one lady kanya lagna having venus in 9th and mars and raghu in leo 4th > from venus having uterus trouble and leading for surgery and she is > lamenting what sir venus is very good in 9th house may it is good for > other things however as squaredby extreme malefics health problems > > > > the 6 bar 8 of a dhasa that too of melecs in 8th of dasa lords in > general gives without doubt health dangers > > > > for danur lagna 5th house lord is also 12th lord and 6 th house is > also 11th house lord as they 6/8 and 5th is relief from disease and 11th > is also cure it is a tight position it can relief only after admitting > the trouble of pains > > > > many read only the statement that lagnathipathi in 4th house in own > house and lagnathipathis best position 3, 11 and for melefics 3,6,10,11 > and kenthras and for benecfics 1,5,9,3,11 > > > > all the more important is age also at this age he cannot construct > house, think of going school marriage and job etc as such we have to > think in line of health > > > > > > father and father in law having venus dasa after 70 years and extreme > trouble basically in health and family > > > > > > many people generally comment (including myself) many vips walk with > good dress food comforts etc i life with out any trouble as we see but > we do not know what is there trouble inside house health finance etc > > > > members pls if anything wrong in my ideas and statements pls correct > me do not use bad language and criticise as it damages the moods and > spirits of writing > > > > Thank y all with best regards and wishes > > > > > > SAIRAMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Dhruv ji, > > Thanks for the knowledgeable post - and for shedding light > > towards 'Shambhu Hora prakash' reference. Please continue to be a > > member and keep posting.. > > > > ==> > > > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group. > > > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > > > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group > > > postings. > > <== > > Please don't leave the group - if the just happens that the 'mud > > slinging' happens at times - sorry for that. If not people like you, > > who will guide the others. So please be patient for a day - things > > will be clear. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , dhruv sharma > > dhruv_gs@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Razdan, > > > > > > There is no need to go into complex analysis of the horoscope. You > > asked for a simple reason as per the ancient vedic astrology > > principles. > > > The answer is that yes there is a clear definitive indication to > > heart disease in your horoscope. > > > anyone who has read the founding books would have read the Shambhoo > > hora prakash and would know that heart disease is clearly there in > > your chart. > > > > > > You can yourself read the shambhoo hora prakash chapter for body > > parts with dreshkkan. > > > > > > I quote " When the birth is in second dreshkkan then the 5th and > > 9th house represent the heart " > > > > > > The 9th lord sun is in 6th house and 5th house is afflicted by ketu > > and debilitated marak saturn along with 6th lord venus. > > > > > > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group. > > > > > > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group postings. > > > > > > regards > > > Dhruv > > > www.theastro.com > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear > > Razdan ji, > > > I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always > > use > > > and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The > > > Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss > > your > > > chart. > > > Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the > > > planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will > > give > > > a detailed response later). > > > You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well - > > > * Lagna = Sagittarius > > > * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra > > > * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn > > > * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces > > > * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus. > > > > > > This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points > > > should be noted - > > > * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous > > > cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar > > dasa) > > > * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per > > Moon > > > Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was > > > running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running. > > > > > > Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju > > is > > > in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us > > > analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will > > do > > > (for sep. 2007). > > > > > > * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the > > Dasa > > > is ending. It is " Dasa Sandhi " Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that > > Ju > > > and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive > > for > > > the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad > > could > > > happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna > > lord. > > > * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th, > > > Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is > > falling > > > in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is > > bad. > > > Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya > > Pooja > > > as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. > > Again > > > the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the > > > 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation - > > > did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!! > > > * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the > > house > > > of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns > > one > > > of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck. > > > * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why > > > should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart, > > i.e. > > > 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart? > > Hmm.. > > > But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra > > > having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point > > of > > > time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory. > > > * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is > > weak > > > or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of > > > time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root > > > connection is 4th house? > > > 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's > > > exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of > > Ve > > > being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign) > > > 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation > > > sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign) > > > > > > Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note > > that - > > > Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart) > > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > > 4th, > > > Pisces - can indicate heart) > > > Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart) > > > > > > Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting > > > Vimsottari from Lagna) note that - > > > Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can > > indicate > > > heart) > > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > > 4th, > > > Pisces - can indicate heart) > > > Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is > > placed > > > in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart) > > > > > > But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of > > > Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's > > Navamsa > > > falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer > > > (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a > > minute > > > hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this > > result, > > > and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its > > effect! > > > That is what happened. > > > But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation > > between > > > Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and > > clotting > > > of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good > > > longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will > > > continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding > > > longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you > > know, > > > by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming > > > March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon. > > > Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know > > > traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest > > assured > > > that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " pnrazdan " > > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > > > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the > > > basis > > > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > > after > > > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this > > event > > > as > > > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > > birth > > > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > > 74E48,34N05) > > > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and > > Sun > > > the > > > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is > > no > > > bad > > > > aspect to the fourth house. > > > > > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > > > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of > > the > > > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as > > to > > > why > > > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > > > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > > > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > > > > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > > FareChase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web > links. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Sairaman thanks for instant reply and appreciationthank y sir Sre_eram <sreeram64 wrote: A very good knowledgebase posting by sairaman53 (AT) (DOT) ... this is the approach or information expected by seniors IN KNOWLEDGE..... sairaman53@ has shown his age and knowledge....I bow to you as a mark of my respect to you !!! Surely with regards, sreeram srinivas > > , sairam nat > <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > Sairaman good morning all members, > > > > really a wounderful discussion and explanation as theroot question > that if the 4th lord in own house that too lagnathipathi in 4th and the > dasa gets heart attack > > > > so many so many explanation can be given as postmartem by astrologers > > > > however as a common man has anybody could not be imagine a heart > trouble > > > > but as the senior moderators and experienced members like Shri Pranav > and Sreenath has already explained there are so many rules in astrology > and unless and until well read with root of foundation we cannot come to > a conclusion > > > > we can give give so many reasons : The basic rule even if > lagnathipathi being a natural benefic should not occupy a kenthra > kenthra is is four leg of a table and kona is the roof kenthras gives > heavy strain and wherever a slow moving malefics occupies 4 8 12 from > dasa lord it should be watched and can expect some danger the bukthi > lord has planets in 4 6 8 from its location and a aspect of deblitated > saturn and mars the blood karaka aspect from exalted position to the 8th > house of danger and health problems the malefics in general exaltation > is good forfinance and money not for health moreover the 6th lord venus > is with saturn the opersistant disease karagha with kethu and aspect of > mars and rathu > > whenever 6,8,12 th lords with melefics it is always a danger there is > one more dictum in kalapurusha lagnathipathi mars is also the 8th lord > and whever lagnathipathi is placed it is a place of trouble and danger > if it benefic it should occupy, 5, 9, 11, and 1 and if it is malefics it > can occupy 4,6,10,3 and 11 however to which bhava it is 6,8,12 it should > be noted togive trouble the 6 8 12 lords should not have melefics links > in conjunction like saturn raghu and mars > > > > i know one more person in same 1939 danur lagna 2nd mars 4th jupiter > and 5th saturn .... also had heart attack and surgery > > > > we should try to link the kalapurusha with karagha and bhava and try > imagine a situation and also take the planet location also as a lagna > and see the resutls whether the important houses are well placed jupier > taking as meena lagna and 6th lord is with 4th lord mercury and 8th lord > with saturn and kethu > > > > one lady kanya lagna having venus in 9th and mars and raghu in leo 4th > from venus having uterus trouble and leading for surgery and she is > lamenting what sir venus is very good in 9th house may it is good for > other things however as squaredby extreme malefics health problems > > > > the 6 bar 8 of a dhasa that too of melecs in 8th of dasa lords in > general gives without doubt health dangers > > > > for danur lagna 5th house lord is also 12th lord and 6 th house is > also 11th house lord as they 6/8 and 5th is relief from disease and 11th > is also cure it is a tight position it can relief only after admitting > the trouble of pains > > > > many read only the statement that lagnathipathi in 4th house in own > house and lagnathipathis best position 3, 11 and for melefics 3,6,10,11 > and kenthras and for benecfics 1,5,9,3,11 > > > > all the more important is age also at this age he cannot construct > house, think of going school marriage and job etc as such we have to > think in line of health > > > > > > father and father in law having venus dasa after 70 years and extreme > trouble basically in health and family > > > > > > many people generally comment (including myself) many vips walk with > good dress food comforts etc i life with out any trouble as we see but > we do not know what is there trouble inside house health finance etc > > > > members pls if anything wrong in my ideas and statements pls correct > me do not use bad language and criticise as it damages the moods and > spirits of writing > > > > Thank y all with best regards and wishes > > > > > > SAIRAMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Dhruv ji, > > Thanks for the knowledgeable post - and for shedding light > > towards 'Shambhu Hora prakash' reference. Please continue to be a > > member and keep posting.. > > > > ==> > > > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group. > > > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > > > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group > > > postings. > > <== > > Please don't leave the group - if the just happens that the 'mud > > slinging' happens at times - sorry for that. If not people like you, > > who will guide the others. So please be patient for a day - things > > will be clear. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , dhruv sharma > > dhruv_gs@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Razdan, > > > > > > There is no need to go into complex analysis of the horoscope. You > > asked for a simple reason as per the ancient vedic astrology > > principles. > > > The answer is that yes there is a clear definitive indication to > > heart disease in your horoscope. > > > anyone who has read the founding books would have read the Shambhoo > > hora prakash and would know that heart disease is clearly there in > > your chart. > > > > > > You can yourself read the shambhoo hora prakash chapter for body > > parts with dreshkkan. > > > > > > I quote " When the birth is in second dreshkkan then the 5th and > > 9th house represent the heart " > > > > > > The 9th lord sun is in 6th house and 5th house is afflicted by ketu > > and debilitated marak saturn along with 6th lord venus. > > > > > > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group. > > > > > > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group postings. > > > > > > regards > > > Dhruv > > > www.theastro.com > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear > > Razdan ji, > > > I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always > > use > > > and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The > > > Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss > > your > > > chart. > > > Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the > > > planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will > > give > > > a detailed response later). > > > You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well - > > > * Lagna = Sagittarius > > > * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra > > > * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn > > > * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces > > > * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus. > > > > > > This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points > > > should be noted - > > > * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous > > > cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar > > dasa) > > > * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per > > Moon > > > Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was > > > running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running. > > > > > > Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju > > is > > > in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us > > > analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will > > do > > > (for sep. 2007). > > > > > > * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the > > Dasa > > > is ending. It is "Dasa Sandhi" Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that > > Ju > > > and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive > > for > > > the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad > > could > > > happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna > > lord. > > > * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th, > > > Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is > > falling > > > in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is > > bad. > > > Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya > > Pooja > > > as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. > > Again > > > the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the > > > 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation - > > > did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!! > > > * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the > > house > > > of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns > > one > > > of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck. > > > * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why > > > should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart, > > i.e. > > > 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart? > > Hmm.. > > > But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra > > > having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point > > of > > > time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory. > > > * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is > > weak > > > or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of > > > time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root > > > connection is 4th house? > > > 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's > > > exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of > > Ve > > > being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign) > > > 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation > > > sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign) > > > > > > Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note > > that - > > > Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart) > > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > > 4th, > > > Pisces - can indicate heart) > > > Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart) > > > > > > Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting > > > Vimsottari from Lagna) note that - > > > Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can > > indicate > > > heart) > > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > > 4th, > > > Pisces - can indicate heart) > > > Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is > > placed > > > in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart) > > > > > > But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of > > > Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's > > Navamsa > > > falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer > > > (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a > > minute > > > hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this > > result, > > > and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its > > effect! > > > That is what happened. > > > But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation > > between > > > Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and > > clotting > > > of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good > > > longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will > > > continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding > > > longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you > > know, > > > by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming > > > March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon. > > > Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know > > > traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest > > assured > > > that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , "pnrazdan" > > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > > > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the > > > basis > > > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > > after > > > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this > > event > > > as > > > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > > birth > > > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > > 74E48,34N05) > > > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and > > Sun > > > the > > > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is > > no > > > bad > > > > aspect to the fourth house. > > > > > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > > > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of > > the > > > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as > > to > > > why > > > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > > > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > > > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > > > > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? 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Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Sairam ji, Thanks for the good mail.. Well said! Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote: > > Sairaman good morning all members, > > really a wounderful discussion and explanation as theroot question that if the 4th lord in own house that too lagnathipathi in 4th and the dasa gets heart attack > > so many so many explanation can be given as postmartem by astrologers > > however as a common man has anybody could not be imagine a heart trouble > > but as the senior moderators and experienced members like Shri Pranav and Sreenath has already explained there are so many rules in astrology and unless and until well read with root of foundation we cannot come to a conclusion > > we can give give so many reasons : The basic rule even if lagnathipathi being a natural benefic should not occupy a kenthra kenthra is is four leg of a table and kona is the roof kenthras gives heavy strain and wherever a slow moving malefics occupies 4 8 12 from dasa lord it should be watched and can expect some danger the bukthi lord has planets in 4 6 8 from its location and a aspect of deblitated saturn and mars the blood karaka aspect from exalted position to the 8th house of danger and health problems the malefics in general exaltation is good forfinance and money not for health moreover the 6th lord venus is with saturn the opersistant disease karagha with kethu and aspect of mars and rathu > whenever 6,8,12 th lords with melefics it is always a danger there is one more dictum in kalapurusha lagnathipathi mars is also the 8th lord and whever lagnathipathi is placed it is a place of trouble and danger if it benefic it should occupy, 5, 9, 11, and 1 and if it is malefics it can occupy 4,6,10,3 and 11 however to which bhava it is 6,8,12 it should be noted togive trouble the 6 8 12 lords should not have melefics links in conjunction like saturn raghu and mars > > i know one more person in same 1939 danur lagna 2nd mars 4th jupiter and 5th saturn .... also had heart attack and surgery > > we should try to link the kalapurusha with karagha and bhava and try imagine a situation and also take the planet location also as a lagna and see the resutls whether the important houses are well placed jupier taking as meena lagna and 6th lord is with 4th lord mercury and 8th lord with saturn and kethu > > one lady kanya lagna having venus in 9th and mars and raghu in leo 4th from venus having uterus trouble and leading for surgery and she is lamenting what sir venus is very good in 9th house may it is good for other things however as squaredby extreme malefics health problems > > the 6 bar 8 of a dhasa that too of melecs in 8th of dasa lords in general gives without doubt health dangers > > for danur lagna 5th house lord is also 12th lord and 6 th house is also 11th house lord as they 6/8 and 5th is relief from disease and 11th is also cure it is a tight position it can relief only after admitting the trouble of pains > > many read only the statement that lagnathipathi in 4th house in own house and lagnathipathis best position 3, 11 and for melefics 3,6,10,11 and kenthras and for benecfics 1,5,9,3,11 > > all the more important is age also at this age he cannot construct house, think of going school marriage and job etc as such we have to think in line of health > > > father and father in law having venus dasa after 70 years and extreme trouble basically in health and family > > > many people generally comment (including myself) many vips walk with good dress food comforts etc i life with out any trouble as we see but we do not know what is there trouble inside house health finance etc > > members pls if anything wrong in my ideas and statements pls correct me do not use bad language and criticise as it damages the moods and spirits of writing > > Thank y all with best regards and wishes > > > SAIRAMAN > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Dhruv ji, > Thanks for the knowledgeable post - and for shedding light > towards 'Shambhu Hora prakash' reference. Please continue to be a > member and keep posting.. > > ==> > > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group. > > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group > > postings. > <== > Please don't leave the group - if the just happens that the 'mud > slinging' happens at times - sorry for that. If not people like you, > who will guide the others. So please be patient for a day - things > will be clear. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , dhruv sharma > <dhruv_gs@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Razdan, > > > > There is no need to go into complex analysis of the horoscope. You > asked for a simple reason as per the ancient vedic astrology > principles. > > The answer is that yes there is a clear definitive indication to > heart disease in your horoscope. > > anyone who has read the founding books would have read the Shambhoo > hora prakash and would know that heart disease is clearly there in > your chart. > > > > You can yourself read the shambhoo hora prakash chapter for body > parts with dreshkkan. > > > > I quote " When the birth is in second dreshkkan then the 5th and > 9th house represent the heart " > > > > The 9th lord sun is in 6th house and 5th house is afflicted by ketu > and debilitated marak saturn along with 6th lord venus. > > > > There is your simple explanation as my last post in the group. > > > > I request the moderator to remove me from the forum as i am fed up > of all the mud slinging and sarcastic remarks in the group postings. > > > > regards > > Dhruv > > www.theastro.com > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: Dear > Razdan ji, > > I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always > use > > and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The > > Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss > your > > chart. > > Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the > > planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will > give > > a detailed response later). > > You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well - > > * Lagna = Sagittarius > > * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra > > * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn > > * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces > > * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus. > > > > This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points > > should be noted - > > * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous > > cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar > dasa) > > * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per > Moon > > Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was > > running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running. > > > > Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju > is > > in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us > > analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will > do > > (for sep. 2007). > > > > * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the > Dasa > > is ending. It is " Dasa Sandhi " Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that > Ju > > and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive > for > > the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad > could > > happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna > lord. > > * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th, > > Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is > falling > > in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is > bad. > > Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya > Pooja > > as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. > Again > > the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the > > 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation - > > did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!! > > * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the > house > > of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns > one > > of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck. > > * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why > > should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart, > i.e. > > 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart? > Hmm.. > > But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra > > having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point > of > > time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory. > > * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is > weak > > or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of > > time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root > > connection is 4th house? > > 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's > > exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of > Ve > > being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign) > > 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation > > sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign) > > > > Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note > that - > > Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart) > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > 4th, > > Pisces - can indicate heart) > > Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart) > > > > Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting > > Vimsottari from Lagna) note that - > > Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can > indicate > > heart) > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is > 4th, > > Pisces - can indicate heart) > > Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is > placed > > in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart) > > > > But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of > > Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's > Navamsa > > falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer > > (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a > minute > > hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this > result, > > and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its > effect! > > That is what happened. > > But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation > between > > Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and > clotting > > of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good > > longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will > > continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding > > longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you > know, > > by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming > > March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon. > > Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know > > traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest > assured > > that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " pnrazdan " > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the > > basis > > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > after > > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this > event > > as > > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > birth > > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > 74E48,34N05) > > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and > Sun > > the > > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is > no > > bad > > > aspect to the fourth house. > > > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of > the > > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as > to > > why > > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > > > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > FareChase. > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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