Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 11.10.2007 time 19.24hrs Respected Memebers I wd like to share the info about my personal life for the benefit of the group members. i was born on sunday 24th March 1957 at 07.19Am at trichy in tamilnadu. In my birth chart my Lagna is Meenam and Rasi is Dhanus. My Lagna Lord is occupying 7th Hosue called Kanyarasi and Lord of 7th Hose is placed in Meenam. I got married on 16th April 1990 and got divorced in 1994. Till now i am not married for the second time nor having any illegal relation ship with anybody. Why i wrote this to the group because how the Lagna lord placed in the 7th House acted. It is up to the group members and learned astrologers to discuss. If any one tells me how my old age will be, will i die like a dog or will i die peacefully? Namaste and regards A venkattaraman From: sreesogDate: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:52:07 +0000 Re: Lagna lord in 7th House Dear Swati ji,You said:====>Point -1--------What we can do is only give feedback , do healthy criticism do getthe most out of each discussion and thread we take. Point -2--------The wave will always propagate information, not any content , whileother waves will feed this information in their data bank andself-organize to form content and expressions!. i am still part of thegroup and a listener, coz i want to absorb all that comes.<===Beautiful!! I appreciate those insights and thankful to you forsharing it. Love and Hugs,Sreenadh , "healing spaces"<healingspaces wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhiji,> Between i don't remember you have not replied to me, and if you have not> also ,i dont take it as a reason to make judgements about you. i amnot here> for the same and i value your inputs to this great Jyotish Vidya, asi do> for all. The Efforts put by anyone cant be rejected on basis on it being> correct or incorrect. Who knows what is correct and incorrect . Whatwe can> do is only give feedback , do healthy criticism do get the most outof each> discussion and thread we take. The wave will always propogateinformation,> not any content , while other waves will feed this information intheir data> bank and self-organize to form content and expressions!.> i am still part of the group and a listener, coz i want to absorball that> comes. Finally the filtering process lies with Me.i dont know aboutepisodes> with lalitji and Sunilji , and if i knew also they would not be thereason> to make any notes on you. Neither i intend to make criticism at youin your> very own group !. what will i get of it? i just wanted to furtherthe cause> of learning and may be show a neo-light!> > Nirvanika swati> om tat sat> > > > the lessons of Sreenadhji may be good> > > <==> > First, not that they are not lessons at all! They are just what> > they are - articles, or parts of a book; That is all to it. No body> > is teaching here; and none is going to come out of this group, with a> > certificate saying the "You are an astrologer". That is not the> > purpose of the group. It is just a platform for interaction between> > some people sitting in different parts of the world, with a common> > interest in 'ancient indian astrology'. Thus any discussion on the> > same, i.e. on 'ancient indian astrology' based on ancient astrology> > classics, is appreciated. Simply that is what the group is for!> >> > > > ==>> > > indeed there is a different class of students who will do study ..> > <==> > Forget the students! Who is bothered about the students - it is NOT> > a class room! The teacher like restrictions (I know it is there) is> > just to keep the quolity of the group, and to keep the subject> > centered on 'ancient indian astrology' itself - that is my duty. If> > not me, some else in the group will do the same - then it> > becomes 'his duty'. It all becomes necessary because this group does> > not want to be like the hundred groups on astrology we may find on> > the net, but rather a unique one - Some one may blame it, some one> > appreciate. As far as the group could fulfill its purpose - the blame> > is irrelevant.> >> > Now to your inputs on LL in various houses> > ---------> > ==>> > > Lagna lord in 5th can give trouble to children , lagna lord in 7th -> > > problem in relationships, lagna lord in 9th-trouble to father.> > <==> > I couldn't understand what you said above these statements; but> > this is seems to be a simple and statement. Trouble to children for> > LL in 5th and Trouble in relationships for LL in 7th is ok - since> > Parasara too derives the same.> > But LL in 9th giving trouble to Father?!! I wonder how can it be!> > And still to see any book that tells the same, or my experience> > reflecting the same. Did you know, Parasara considers 10th house as> > signifying father and not 9th? Don't you think LL since LL in any> > house should give good results to that house - LL in 9th should give> > beneficial results to father (if considered that 9th signify father)?> > ==>> > > i hope i elucidated the point well, which can only be beholded by> > > an eye which looks for complexity via the hidden connections> > > communications and cooperations everything around is working> > > through!> > <==> > Good to hear all these! But Swati ji don't you think here we should> > look for (and is looking for) "Simplicity" rather than "Complexity"?> > Complexity via what? - Hidden connections, communications,> > cooperations....(and then what).. everything around is working> > through!!> > I should say I am not good enough to go through all such> > complexities - a mist of too many words flied above my head; Possibly> > I may not be having the "eye which looks for complexity of x, y,z> > misty terms" to 'behold' (a good word - is it not suffering here?) it> > (the point mentioned above). Really swati, I am tiered trying to> > understand all these complexity.. But I should appreciate - good> > literature!> > Note: I know that since I haven't answered one of your mails> > earlier, you are bit unhappy with me. May be same increased with> > the 'Sunil John' interactions and now with this 'Lalit' incident. > > Be confident to express your unhappiness, it is ok. I appreciate> > rebels and has a special respect for them when ever they are> > sincere. Have a good day and wish you a great future.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> > --- In <%40>,> > "healing spaces"> >> > <healingspaces@> wrote:> > >> > > Om gurave namah> > > Dear lalit,> > > i second your thoughts. there is something missing in the great> > papers of> > > Sreenadhji, although its a great effort. for many students. i need> > a great> > > assurance to read the whole thousand pages, but rishis wrote> > shlokas to make> > > things precise and more thought-provoking rather than ranting them.> > > the lessons of Sreenadhji may be good for those who indeed have> > ability to> > > cram and be discriminative (the martian nature) ! indeed there is a> > > different class of students who will do study with finding the> > underneath> > > latent patterns and processes which may not that be as empirical as> > it> > > seems.> > >> > > For my comprehensive understanding , which is not mine but learnt> > from Great> > > Scholars> > >> > > i think the first lord when goes to any house carries two aspects> > with it .> > > the first its internal consciousness(Sun being karak ) which does> > not know> > > boundaries and considered shubh yet kroor. When it goes to any> > house , its> > > whole intelligence is to work together with that bhava ,accepting> > and giving> > > its resources, but this may not be acceptable to other bhava and> > thus arises> > > some internal conflict. This internal conflict comes in form of> > external> > > representation (kalpurusha lord mars) and thus resulting into an> > appearance> > > of being kroor and ashubh for that bhava.> > > So lagna lord in 5th can give trouble to children , lagna lord in> > 7th -> > > problem in relationships, lagna lord in 9th-trouble to father.> > >> > > A lot can change with finally the lordship of lagna and aspects> > influencing> > > it. i hope i elucidated the point well, which can only be beholded> > by an eye> > > which looks for complexity via the hidden connections> > communications and> > > cooperations everything around is working through!> > > nirvanika> > > om tat sat> > > .> > >> > >> > >> > > On 10/1/07, rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > >> > > > (Lalit and) Sreenadh,> > > >> > > > My pablum for the day -- imagianry guruism, mature master!> > > >> > > > Between two masterjees, one gets to see cute sparring. Keep it> > up, guys.> > > > To me, who am bemused, I have something to learn, or I would have> > had> > > > something to learn. Learn, had I not told myself and communicated> > to one of> > > > you: "I don't take myself seriously w.r.t astrology." That was in> > the> > > > context of an offer to get almost guru-ized.> > > >> > > > Lalit's perspective is worth our while.> > > >> > > > RK> > > >> > > >> > > > *litsol <mlalit@>* wrote:> > > >> > > > Dont go after 5 months or 6 months, what is the value of ur's 5> > yrs> > > > if u dont understand a small bit of logic or message hidden in> > > > shlokas despite of ur's good and praisewirthy effort, and unable> > to> > > > think beyond cramming shlokas, why u do comment on a person or> > > > individual, doesn't it show ur's weakness or fear. I m taking ur> > > > writing like a student is doing a group discussion, what u lack is> > > > insight.> > > >> > > > do u know, what's other problem with u is, while still being in a> > > > study period, u started teaching and behaving like a great guru,> > this> > > > kind of complex and frustration is seen in various people. see, be> > > > admissive, you are only 34 - 35, a long life is ahead of u to live> > > > and do good in astrology, provided u r a good student and u r> > open to> > > > accept weakness in ur's approach.> > > >> > > > This is rubbish to hear from u like this, u should know that i m a> > > > person obtaining my PHD in computer science in next couple of> > months> > > > with many researches in software industry, so, how we go deep> > while> > > > understanding and what approach we have, perhapse u r not able to> > > > understand, may be, u r caught up in a imaginary guruism, thinking> > > > that is ur's w'd be identity, so u get afraid of any criticism> > done> > > > to ur posts and start commenting on a person. why u do comment on> > a> > > > person or individual ? doesnt it show ur's weakness ?> > > >> > > > You should also know that i m not in profession of astrolgy, it's> > > > just a hobby, so dont feel any heat from me, what i m telling to u> > > > is, only in ur favor coz u may get a directions to study and> > thoughts.> > > >> > > > and i never address u, do u remember, i said i m not interacting> > with> > > > u any more.> > > >> > > > --- In> > <%40>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > "Sreenadh"> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > Please lean while learning - instead of pouring> > in 'imagination'.> > > > As> > > > > mentioned earlier you are still a baby in astrology with only 5> > > > > months of age (you started learning it 5 months ago only).> > Remember> > > > > this and so instead of acting out a matured master like 'effort> > is> > > > > good but what is missed is a very basic fact..' as so on. There> > > > might> > > > > be learned members who know better to express their opinion> > based> > > > on> > > > > either experience or logic. Simply try to learn form them - if> > you> > > > > want to learn.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > <%40>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > "litsol"> > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Effort is good but what is missed is a very basic fact, in> > > > whatever> > > > > > house the lagna lord is placed, such a placement makes the> > native> > > > > > (referred to by lagna) to excercise to exploit most> > significance> > > > of> > > > > > concerned house for his interest only thus not leaving space> > or> > > > > scope> > > > > > for what a house is signifying.> > > > > >> > > > > > Like if lagna lord in 5'th, native may exert his views to his> > > > > > children or will not give space to them or will show disregard> > > > his> > > > > > responsibility towards chlidren, so children's upringing is> > > > > affected> > > > > > and they are not getting enough care or attentions to grow and> > > > > > develop their personality. this is seen in the cases of> > renowned> > > > > > father's children, children dont do good, dont rise to the> > level> > > > of> > > > > > father.> > > > > >> > > > > > Same way, if lagna lord is in 7'th, native will overpower his> > > > > spouse,> > > > > > will neglect the spouse etc.., in the return, the native> > himself> > > > is> > > > > > neglected, generally, such minimum results are seen, thus> > marital> > > > > > happiness is hardly there.> > > > > >> > > > > > remember - "expoitation of the house's natural significations> > by> > > > > > native", which is further modified by other parameters like> > > > aspect,> > > > > > karaka etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > This is my experience and what i understood by reading BPHS> > and> > > > > > thinking over it. Group has more learned members than me, they> > > > will> > > > > > give their opinion to correct me. Sorry, i didnt limit myself> > to> > > > > > lexical meaning of words in shlokas.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > <%40>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > "Sreenadh"> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let us discuss the derivations for Lagna lord in 7th house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ==========================================> > > > > > > Lagna lord in 7th House> > > > > > > =================> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 7th, the native would be a righteous,> > > > radiant> > > > > > > individual with good habits. His wife also would be radiant,> > > > > > beautiful> > > > > > > and good-natured. If lagna lord is a malefic and is in 7th> > > > house,> > > > > > his> > > > > > > wife will not live long, he may become uninterested in> > family> > > > > life,> > > > > > > wander to many places. These results will come true for any> > one> > > > > > > irrespective of his financial status - even if he is a> > beggar> > > > or> > > > > > king> > > > > > > all these results will fructify to him for sure.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 7th house, his wife will not live long,> > he> > > > may> > > > > > > become uninterested in family life or wander in many places> > > > > > (attachment> > > > > > > for wife and family is lost). Even if he is a beggar or king> > > > all> > > > > the> > > > > > > results will fructify to him for sure (The natives financial> > > > > status> > > > > > > could be either that of a poor man or that of a king or in> > > > > between -> > > > > > it> > > > > > > is irrelevant).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Parasara Hora> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is a difficult to understand derivation! If lagna lord> > is> > > > in> > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > why the result `his wife will not live long' should be> > derived?> > > > > > > Since lagna lord in any house bestows good results to that> > > > house,> > > > > > the> > > > > > > expected derivation would be `his wife will live long' and> > also> > > > > > > that `he will have a good, beautiful, righteous wife'.> > Actually> > > > > > > it is exactly the result the other texts propose. Then why> > > > > Parasara> > > > > > > differ? Notice that we encountered a similar issue while> > > > dealing> > > > > > with> > > > > > > 5th house as well. The point is - Parasara at times does not> > > > > > mention> > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x house', but> > the> > > > > > > same should be assumed as the case may be - it is a> > > > precondition;> > > > > > > something related to his presentation style. Thus the actual> > > > > meaning> > > > > > > would be - `if the lagna lord is a malefic and is placed in> > 7th> > > > > > > house, his wife will not live long'. This is logical - a> > > > malefic> > > > > in> > > > > > > 7th is sure to cause problem for 7th house. Even if we look> > > > from> > > > > > 7th as> > > > > > > per `Bhavat Bhavam' then too, the maraka lord (7th is maraka> > > > > > > stana) from 7th placed in 7th can cause bad results such as> > > > loss> > > > > of> > > > > > > interest or death. It becomes clear that it is the same> > result> > > > > > extended> > > > > > > in the next derivation as well. That is `if the lagna lord> > is a> > > > > > > malefic and is placed in 7th house, he may become> > uninterested> > > > in> > > > > > family> > > > > > > life or wander in many places (attachment for wife and> > family is> > > > > > > lost)'. Notice that 7th signifies wife, interest in sex and> > > > family> > > > > > > life, journey to various places etc. A malefic placed in 7th> > > > with> > > > > > maraka> > > > > > > lordship from 7th is sure to cause all these bad results> > such> > > > as -> > > > >> > > > > > loss> > > > > > > of interest in wife and sex and thus possibly loss of wife,> > > > > > interest in> > > > > > > traveling to various places - possibly in an effort to be> > away> > > > > from> > > > > > wife> > > > > > > and family and so on. A double importance to derived results> > > > > occurs> > > > > > due> > > > > > > to the involvement of 7th and 7th from 7th in the possible> > > > result> > > > > > > derivation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We may blame Parasara for not mentioning the central fact> > `these> > > > > > > results should be derived only if lagna lord is a malefic';> > but> > > > it> > > > > > > is evident even to a beginner with clear logic, and so the> > sage> > > > > > would be> > > > > > > saved from such blames. If we mention that `you must have> > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > this' then the question in retort by the sage would be -> > `if you> > > > > > > don't know even these basics, and understand the sloka in> > its> > > > > unique> > > > > > > context, if your logic is not even that much strong enough,> > how> > > > > are> > > > > > you> > > > > > > supposed to learn and derive complex results?'. Yes, he is> > > > > > > absolutely right, and in all our efforts to understand the> > sage> > > > > > quotes> > > > > > > let the context become clear to us - wherever it is not> > clearly> > > > > > > mentioned.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is one more reason for lagna lord in 7th giving bad> > > > > results -> > > > > > > notice that for all signs 7th house would be always owned> > by an> > > > > > enemy> > > > > > > planet. Lagna lord placed in enemy house is sure to give bad> > > > > results> > > > > > > expected from the same. As per Phaladeepika the expected bad> > > > > result> > > > > > for> > > > > > > a planet in enemy house are -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If the planet is in his enemy house the same would cause -> > > > dirty> > > > > > life,> > > > > > > dependence even for food on others, living in rented house,> > > > > poverty,> > > > > > > always trouble from enemies, even his well wishers become> > his> > > > > enemy!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -Phaladeepika> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May be it is due to this deeper understanding, Parasara> > tells> > > > us> > > > > > that -> > > > > > > `Even if he is a beggar or king all the results will> > fructify> > > > to> > > > > him> > > > > > > for sure'. Or in other words, the economic status of the> > native> > > > is> > > > > > > irrelevant. Who ever he is, these results will follow for> > sure,> > > > > `if> > > > > > > a malefic lagna lord is placed in 7th'! Look at the> > confidence> > > > > with> > > > > > > which Parasara states that result! We should learn something> > > > from> > > > > > that> > > > > > > confidence it seems - due to lack of understanding> > astrologers> > > > > > usually> > > > > > > lack the confidence, while trying to derive results.> > Parasara is> > > > > > > advising us - be confidant, be logical, and be bold! You> > are in> > > > > the> > > > > > > correct path - and the results you derive based on the path> > > > > taught> > > > > > by us> > > > > > > will reflect truth for sure! Yes, he derives his confidence> > > > from> > > > > his> > > > > > > ancestors - the sages like Skanda, Daksha and Vasishta - let> > > > > follow> > > > > > the> > > > > > > same path and gain confidence from such bold guidance and> > > > > statements> > > > > > > made by him.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here to we cannot pardon the approach of Parasara - since> > he is> > > > > > bringing> > > > > > > `planets' and `nature of 7th sign from lagna' (i.e.> > > > > > > House-Planet Base results) into picture. Since he was> > > > discussing> > > > > > House> > > > > > > Base results, this approach cannot be accepted. Therefore I> > > > would> > > > > > > request learners to stick to the pure House Base derivation> > > > given> > > > > by> > > > > > > Meenaraja, and learn about the modifications Parasara> > suggested> > > > > > later> > > > > > > while dealing with `House-Planet Base' result derivation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Without causing any such unmentioned contextual complexity,> > > > > > Meenaraja> > > > > > > provides the general results that should be attributed to> > lagna> > > > > > lord in> > > > > > > 7th house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 7th, the native would be a righteous,> > > > radiant> > > > > > > individual with good habits. His wife also would be radiant,> > > > > > beautiful> > > > > > > and good-natured.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hora pradeepam, and Jataka Saradeepa quotes the same sloka> > with> > > > > > only a> > > > > > > slight difference - Instead of the word `Lagnapatau' (lord> > of> > > > > > > lagna), the word `Pradhamapatau' (lord of first house) is> > used.> > > > > > > Of course this does not change the meaning of the sloka in> > any> > > > > way.> > > > > > > Possibly they knew well that the approach of Meeraja is more> > > > apt> > > > > to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > context.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Note that the results provided by the Meenaraja are in tune> > > > with> > > > > the> > > > > > > rule we derived - Lagna lord in any house bestows good> > results> > > > > for> > > > > > that> > > > > > > house. Naturally if lagna lord is in 7th, the native will> > have a> > > > > > > righteous, radiant, beautiful wife. Since from 7th lagna> > lord> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > lagna, lagna becomes strong and thus the same would be true> > for> > > > > the> > > > > > > native as well. This is the clear-cut path of derivation.> > > > Possibly> > > > > > > because of this many texts such as Hora Pradeepam,> > Horaratnam,> > > > > > Jataka> > > > > > > saradeepa etc quotes Meenaraja's slokas on the same instead> > of> > > > > > > Prarasara's words. But Parasara's words also should be> > > > > > > respected, since he is pointing to some special> > possibilities.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rule 7: Benefic lagna lord providing benefic results if in> > 7th> > > > and> > > > > > > malefic lagna lord providing malefic results if in 7th.> > This is> > > > of> > > > > > > special contextual importance in deriving results for lagna> > > > lord> > > > > in> > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > house. In a generalized way this rule is applicable in all> > the> > > > > > other> > > > > > > cases as well.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Even though this rule is note worthy, we will not give much> > > > > > importance> > > > > > > to this connecting rule (that connects House Base & House-> > > > Planet> > > > > > Base> > > > > > > results) in this whole write-up, since the same will cause> > us to> > > > > > > consider the Planet as well. As mentioned earlier, in this> > > > write-> > > > > > up, we> > > > > > > are more interested in learning `House Base' result> > derivation> > > > > > > system alone.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The 7th house signifies things such as - love, wife, sex,> > sexual> > > > > > > intercourse, lost items, life loving nature, small love> > > > quarrels,> > > > > > death> > > > > > > (being maraka stana; 12th from house of longevity), travel,> > > > > > interest or> > > > > > > lose of interest in things, desire etc. Thus the placement> > of> > > > > lagna> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > in 7th generates special importance to the derivations> > related> > > > to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > same.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ==========================================> > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 well sreenadh ji , My knowledge is very very basic and i should not make such a strong statement , but whatever i read i want to share - may be i am wrong and i would be grateful if you all gurujan will rectify me . as per his lagna chart , Jupiter is placed in the 7th house - In this house jupiter showers favours on the individual in money matters , in income , in earning . in enhancing prestige an power , granting success in lover affair in getting a suitable matrimonial match , jupiter helps in marriage at the right desired age . one more advantage of jupiter in teh 7th house is that whenever there is any problem , which might involve besides other things , a monetary angle family of spouse , in case of male his wife extend every kind of support in emergency . if inspite of all such good thing if there is a problem in married life it should be due to the health reasons or his impetuous behavior. which he claim is not present . so thats why i made such statement - but may be i am wrong - you guys are more aware than me i am just a student of KG of astrology . regards prabhat mishra - Sreenadh <sreesog ancient indian astrology Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:28 +0530 (IST) Re: Reply to Lagna lord in 7th House Dear Prabhat, Why do you think the Birth Time should be wrong?!! Did you check the chart? It is almost evident from the mail itself that - you didn't! Please do the homework before posting. A mail we post reaches a thousand members and they should get something from the same. If you can explain in detail, how you reached that conclusion as per astrological norms, then that would be beneficial to the group members - otherwise not. Please keep this in mind. Love, Sreenadh , prabhat_shcil wrote: > > may be your birth time is wrong > > regards > > prabhat > - > venkattaraman arthanari <a_venkattaraman > ancient indian astrology > Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:31:01 +0530 (IST) > RE: Re: Reply to Lagna lord in 7th House > > 11.10.2007 time 19.24hrs > > Respected Memebers > > I wd like to share the info about my personal life for the benefit of the group members. > > i was born on sunday 24th March 1957 at 07.19Am at trichy in tamilnadu. > > In my birth chart my Lagna is Meenam and Rasi is Dhanus. > > My Lagna Lord is occupying 7th Hosue called Kanyarasi and Lord of 7th Hose is placed in Meenam. > > I got married on 16th April 1990 and got divorced in 1994. > > Till now i am not married for the second time nor having any illegal relation ship with anybody. > > Why i wrote this to the group because how the Lagna lord placed in the 7th House acted. > > It is up to the group members and learned astrologers to discuss. > > If any one tells me how my old age will be, will i die like a dog or will i die peacefully? > > Namaste and regards > > A venkattaraman > > > > : sreesog: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:52:07 +0000 Re: Lagna lord in 7th House > > > > > Dear Swati ji,You said:====>Point -1--------What we can do is only give feedback , do healthy criticism do getthe most out of each discussion and thread we take. Point -2--------The wave will always propagate information, not any content , whileother waves will feed this information in their data bank andself-organize to form content and expressions!. i am still part of thegroup and a listener, coz i want to absorb all that comes.<===Beautiful!! I appreciate those insights and thankful to you forsharing it. Love and Hugs,Sreenadh--- In , " healing spaces " <healingspaces@> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhiji,> Between i don't remember you have not replied to me, and if you have not> also ,i dont take it as a reason to make judgements about you. i amnot here> for the same and i value your inputs to this great Jyotish Vidya, asi do> for all. The Efforts put by anyone cant be rejected on basis on it being> correct or incorrect. Who knows what is correct and incorrect . Whatwe can> do is only give feedback , do healthy criticism do get the most outof each> discussion and thread we take. The wave will always propogateinformation,> not any content , while other waves will feed this information intheir data> bank and self-organize to form content and expressions!.> i am still part of the group and a listener, coz i want to absorball that> comes. Finally the filtering process lies with Me.i dont know aboutepisodes> with lalitji and Sunilji , and if i knew also they would not be thereason> to make any notes on you. Neither i intend to make criticism at youin your> very own group !. what will i get of it? i just wanted to furtherthe cause> of learning and may be show a neo-light!> > Nirvanika swati> om tat sat> > > > the lessons of Sreenadhji may be good> > > <==> > First, not that they are not lessons at all! They are just what> > they are - articles, or parts of a book; That is all to it. No body> > is teaching here; and none is going to come out of this group, with a> > certificate saying the " You are an astrologer " . That is not the> > purpose of the group. It is just a platform for interaction between> > some people sitting in different parts of the world, with a common> > interest in 'ancient indian astrology'. Thus any discussion on the> > same, i.e. on 'ancient indian astrology' based on ancient astrology> > classics, is appreciated. Simply that is what the group is for!> >> > > > ==>> > > indeed there is a different class of students who will do study ..> > <==> > Forget the students! Who is bothered about the students - it is NOT> > a class room! The teacher like restrictions (I know it is there) is> > just to keep the quolity of the group, and to keep the subject> > centered on 'ancient indian astrology' itself - that is my duty. If> > not me, some else in the group will do the same - then it> > becomes 'his duty'. It all becomes necessary because this group does> > not want to be like the hundred groups on astrology we may find on> > the net, but rather a unique one - Some one may blame it, some one> > appreciate. As far as the group could fulfill its purpose - the blame> > is irrelevant.> >> > Now to your inputs on LL in various houses> > ---------> > ==>> > > Lagna lord in 5th can give trouble to children , lagna lord in 7th -> > > problem in relationships, lagna lord in 9th-trouble to father.> > <==> > I couldn't understand what you said above these statements; but> > this is seems to be a simple and statement. Trouble to children for> > LL in 5th and Trouble in relationships for LL in 7th is ok - since> > Parasara too derives the same.> > But LL in 9th giving trouble to Father?!! I wonder how can it be!> > And still to see any book that tells the same, or my experience> > reflecting the same. Did you know, Parasara considers 10th house as> > signifying father and not 9th? Don't you think LL since LL in any> > house should give good results to that house - LL in 9th should give> > beneficial results to father (if considered that 9th signify father)?> > ==>> > > i hope i elucidated the point well, which can only be beholded by> > > an eye which looks for complexity via the hidden connections> > > communications and cooperations everything around is working> > > through!> > <==> > Good to hear all these! But Swati ji don't you think here we should> > look for (and is looking for) " Simplicity " rather than " Complexity " ?> > Complexity via what? - Hidden connections, communications,> > cooperations....(and then what).. everything around is working> > through!!> > I should say I am not good enough to go through all such> > complexities - a mist of too many words flied above my head; Possibly> > I may not be having the " eye which looks for complexity of x, y,z> > misty terms " to 'behold' (a good word - is it not suffering here?) it> > (the point mentioned above). Really swati, I am tiered trying to> > understand all these complexity.. But I should appreciate - good> > literature!> > Note: I know that since I haven't answered one of your mails> > earlier, you are bit unhappy with me. May be same increased with> > the 'Sunil John' interactions and now with this 'Lalit' incident. > > Be confident to express your unhappiness, it is ok. I appreciate> > rebels and has a special respect for them when ever they are> > sincere. Have a good day and wish you a great future.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> > --- In <%40\ s.com>,> > " healing spaces " > >> > <healingspaces@> wrote:> > >> > > Om gurave namah> > > Dear lalit,> > > i second your thoughts. there is something missing in the great> > papers of> > > Sreenadhji, although its a great effort. for many students. i need> > a great> > > assurance to read the whole thousand pages, but rishis wrote> > shlokas to make> > > things precise and more thought-provoking rather than ranting them.> > > the lessons of Sreenadhji may be good for those who indeed have> > ability to> > > cram and be discriminative (the martian nature) ! indeed there is a> > > different class of students who will do study with finding the> > underneath> > > latent patterns and processes which may not that be as empirical as> > it> > > seems.> > >> > > For my comprehensive understanding , which is not mine but learnt> > from Great> > > Scholars> > >> > > i think the first lord when goes to any house carries two aspects> > with it .> > > the first its internal consciousness(Sun being karak ) which does> > not know> > > boundaries and considered shubh yet kroor. When it goes to any> > house , its> > > whole intelligence is to work together with that bhava ,accepting> > and giving> > > its resources, but this may not be acceptable to other bhava and> > thus arises> > > some internal conflict. This internal conflict comes in form of> > external> > > representation (kalpurusha lord mars) and thus resulting into an> > appearance> > > of being kroor and ashubh for that bhava.> > > So lagna lord in 5th can give trouble to children , lagna lord in> > 7th -> > > problem in relationships, lagna lord in 9th-trouble to father.> > >> > > A lot can change with finally the lordship of lagna and aspects> > influencing> > > it. i hope i elucidated the point well, which can only be beholded> > by an eye> > > which looks for complexity via the hidden connections> > communications and> > > cooperations everything around is working through!> > > nirvanika> > > om tat sat> > > .> > >> > >> > >> > > On 10/1/07, rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > >> > > > (Lalit and) Sreenadh,> > > >> > > > My pablum for the day -- imagianry guruism, mature master!> > > >> > > > Between two masterjees, one gets to see cute sparring. Keep it> > up, guys.> > > > To me, who am bemused, I have something to learn, or I would have> > had> > > > something to learn. Learn, had I not told myself and communicated> > to one of> > > > you: " I don't take myself seriously w.r.t astrology. " That was in> > the> > > > context of an offer to get almost guru-ized.> > > >> > > > Lalit's perspective is worth our while.> > > >> > > > RK> > > >> > > >> > > > *litsol <mlalit@>* wrote:> > > >> > > > Dont go after 5 months or 6 months, what is the value of ur's 5> > yrs> > > > if u dont understand a small bit of logic or message hidden in> > > > shlokas despite of ur's good and praisewirthy effort, and unable> > to> > > > think beyond cramming shlokas, why u do comment on a person or> > > > individual, doesn't it show ur's weakness or fear. I m taking ur> > > > writing like a student is doing a group discussion, what u lack is> > > > insight.> > > >> > > > do u know, what's other problem with u is, while still being in a> > > > study period, u started teaching and behaving like a great guru,> > this> > > > kind of complex and frustration is seen in various people. see, be> > > > admissive, you are only 34 - 35, a long life is ahead of u to live> > > > and do good in astrology, provided u r a good student and u r> > open to> > > > accept weakness in ur's approach.> > > >> > > > This is rubbish to hear from u like this, u should know that i m a> > > > person obtaining my PHD in computer science in next couple of> > months> > > > with many researches in software industry, so, how we go deep> > while> > > > understanding and what approach we have, perhapse u r not able to> > > > understand, may be, u r caught up in a imaginary guruism, thinking> > > > that is ur's w'd be identity, so u get afraid of any criticism> > done> > > > to ur posts and start commenting on a person. why u do comment on> > a> > > > person or individual ? doesnt it show ur's weakness ?> > > >> > > > You should also know that i m not in profession of astrolgy, it's> > > > just a hobby, so dont feel any heat from me, what i m telling to u> > > > is, only in ur favor coz u may get a directions to study and> > thoughts.> > > >> > > > and i never address u, do u remember, i said i m not interacting> > with> > > > u any more.> > > >> > > > --- In> > <%40\ ..com>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > Please lean while learning - instead of pouring> > in 'imagination'.> > > > As> > > > > mentioned earlier you are still a baby in astrology with only 5> > > > > months of age (you started learning it 5 months ago only).> > Remember> > > > > this and so instead of acting out a matured master like 'effort> > is> > > > > good but what is missed is a very basic fact..' as so on. There> > > > might> > > > > be learned members who know better to express their opinion> > based> > > > on> > > > > either experience or logic. Simply try to learn form them - if> > you> > > > > want to learn.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > <%40\ ..com>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > " litsol " > > > > > <mlalit@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Effort is good but what is missed is a very basic fact, in> > > > whatever> > > > > > house the lagna lord is placed, such a placement makes the> > native> > > > > > (referred to by lagna) to excercise to exploit most> > significance> > > > of> > > > > > concerned house for his interest only thus not leaving space> > or> > > > > scope> > > > > > for what a house is signifying.> > > > > >> > > > > > Like if lagna lord in 5'th, native may exert his views to his> > > > > > children or will not give space to them or will show disregard> > > > his> > > > > > responsibility towards chlidren, so children's upringing is> > > > > affected> > > > > > and they are not getting enough care or attentions to grow and> > > > > > develop their personality. this is seen in the cases of> > renowned> > > > > > father's children, children dont do good, dont rise to the> > level> > > > of> > > > > > father.> > > > > >> > > > > > Same way, if lagna lord is in 7'th, native will overpower his> > > > > spouse,> > > > > > will neglect the spouse etc.., in the return, the native> > himself> > > > is> > > > > > neglected, generally, such minimum results are seen, thus> > marital> > > > > > happiness is hardly there.> > > > > >> > > > > > remember - " expoitation of the house's natural significations> > by> > > > > > native " , which is further modified by other parameters like> > > > aspect,> > > > > > karaka etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > This is my experience and what i understood by reading BPHS> > and> > > > > > thinking over it. Group has more learned members than me, they> > > > will> > > > > > give their opinion to correct me. Sorry, i didnt limit myself> > to> > > > > > lexical meaning of words in shlokas.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > <%40\ ..com>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > " Sreenadh " > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let us discuss the derivations for Lagna lord in 7th house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ==========================================> > > > > > > Lagna lord in 7th House> > > > > > > =================> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 7th, the native would be a righteous,> > > > radiant> > > > > > > individual with good habits. His wife also would be radiant,> > > > > > beautiful> > > > > > > and good-natured. If lagna lord is a malefic and is in 7th> > > > house,> > > > > > his> > > > > > > wife will not live long, he may become uninterested in> > family> > > > > life,> > > > > > > wander to many places. These results will come true for any> > one> > > > > > > irrespective of his financial status - even if he is a> > beggar> > > > or> > > > > > king> > > > > > > all these results will fructify to him for sure.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 7th house, his wife will not live long,> > he> > > > may> > > > > > > become uninterested in family life or wander in many places> > > > > > (attachment> > > > > > > for wife and family is lost). Even if he is a beggar or king> > > > all> > > > > the> > > > > > > results will fructify to him for sure (The natives financial> > > > > status> > > > > > > could be either that of a poor man or that of a king or in> > > > > between -> > > > > > it> > > > > > > is irrelevant).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Parasara Hora> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is a difficult to understand derivation! If lagna lord> > is> > > > in> > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > why the result `his wife will not live long' should be> > derived?> > > > > > > Since lagna lord in any house bestows good results to that> > > > house,> > > > > > the> > > > > > > expected derivation would be `his wife will live long' and> > also> > > > > > > that `he will have a good, beautiful, righteous wife'.> > Actually> > > > > > > it is exactly the result the other texts propose. Then why> > > > > Parasara> > > > > > > differ? Notice that we encountered a similar issue while> > > > dealing> > > > > > with> > > > > > > 5th house as well. The point is - Parasara at times does not> > > > > > mention> > > > > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x house', but> > the> > > > > > > same should be assumed as the case may be - it is a> > > > precondition;> > > > > > > something related to his presentation style. Thus the actual> > > > > meaning> > > > > > > would be - `if the lagna lord is a malefic and is placed in> > 7th> > > > > > > house, his wife will not live long'. This is logical - a> > > > malefic> > > > > in> > > > > > > 7th is sure to cause problem for 7th house. Even if we look> > > > from> > > > > > 7th as> > > > > > > per `Bhavat Bhavam' then too, the maraka lord (7th is maraka> > > > > > > stana) from 7th placed in 7th can cause bad results such as> > > > loss> > > > > of> > > > > > > interest or death. It becomes clear that it is the same> > result> > > > > > extended> > > > > > > in the next derivation as well. That is `if the lagna lord> > is a> > > > > > > malefic and is placed in 7th house, he may become> > uninterested> > > > in> > > > > > family> > > > > > > life or wander in many places (attachment for wife and> > family is> > > > > > > lost)'. Notice that 7th signifies wife, interest in sex and> > > > family> > > > > > > life, journey to various places etc. A malefic placed in 7th> > > > with> > > > > > maraka> > > > > > > lordship from 7th is sure to cause all these bad results> > such> > > > as -> > > > >> > > > > > loss> > > > > > > of interest in wife and sex and thus possibly loss of wife,> > > > > > interest in> > > > > > > traveling to various places - possibly in an effort to be> > away> > > > > from> > > > > > wife> > > > > > > and family and so on. A double importance to derived results> > > > > occurs> > > > > > due> > > > > > > to the involvement of 7th and 7th from 7th in the possible> > > > result> > > > > > > derivation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We may blame Parasara for not mentioning the central fact> > `these> > > > > > > results should be derived only if lagna lord is a malefic';> > but> > > > it> > > > > > > is evident even to a beginner with clear logic, and so the> > sage> > > > > > would be> > > > > > > saved from such blames. If we mention that `you must have> > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > this' then the question in retort by the sage would be -> > `if you> > > > > > > don't know even these basics, and understand the sloka in> > its> > > > > unique> > > > > > > context, if your logic is not even that much strong enough,> > how> > > > > are> > > > > > you> > > > > > > supposed to learn and derive complex results?'. Yes, he is> > > > > > > absolutely right, and in all our efforts to understand the> > sage> > > > > > quotes> > > > > > > let the context become clear to us - wherever it is not> > clearly> > > > > > > mentioned.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is one more reason for lagna lord in 7th giving bad> > > > > results -> > > > > > > notice that for all signs 7th house would be always owned> > by an> > > > > > enemy> > > > > > > planet. Lagna lord placed in enemy house is sure to give bad> > > > > results> > > > > > > expected from the same. As per Phaladeepika the expected bad> > > > > result> > > > > > for> > > > > > > a planet in enemy house are -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If the planet is in his enemy house the same would cause -> > > > dirty> > > > > > life,> > > > > > > dependence even for food on others, living in rented house,> > > > > poverty,> > > > > > > always trouble from enemies, even his well wishers become> > his> > > > > enemy!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -Phaladeepika> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May be it is due to this deeper understanding, Parasara> > tells> > > > us> > > > > > that -> > > > > > > `Even if he is a beggar or king all the results will> > fructify> > > > to> > > > > him> > > > > > > for sure'. Or in other words, the economic status of the> > native> > > > is> > > > > > > irrelevant. Who ever he is, these results will follow for> > sure,> > > > > `if> > > > > > > a malefic lagna lord is placed in 7th'! Look at the> > confidence> > > > > with> > > > > > > which Parasara states that result! We should learn something> > > > from> > > > > > that> > > > > > > confidence it seems - due to lack of understanding> > astrologers> > > > > > usually> > > > > > > lack the confidence, while trying to derive results.> > Parasara is> > > > > > > advising us - be confidant, be logical, and be bold! You> > are in> > > > > the> > > > > > > correct path - and the results you derive based on the path> > > > > taught> > > > > > by us> > > > > > > will reflect truth for sure! Yes, he derives his confidence> > > > from> > > > > his> > > > > > > ancestors - the sages like Skanda, Daksha and Vasishta - let> > > > > follow> > > > > > the> > > > > > > same path and gain confidence from such bold guidance and> > > > > statements> > > > > > > made by him.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here to we cannot pardon the approach of Parasara - since> > he is> > > > > > bringing> > > > > > > `planets' and `nature of 7th sign from lagna' (i.e.> > > > > > > House-Planet Base results) into picture. Since he was> > > > discussing> > > > > > House> > > > > > > Base results, this approach cannot be accepted. Therefore I> > > > would> > > > > > > request learners to stick to the pure House Base derivation> > > > given> > > > > by> > > > > > > Meenaraja, and learn about the modifications Parasara> > suggested> > > > > > later> > > > > > > while dealing with `House-Planet Base' result derivation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Without causing any such unmentioned contextual complexity,> > > > > > Meenaraja> > > > > > > provides the general results that should be attributed to> > lagna> > > > > > lord in> > > > > > > 7th house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 7th, the native would be a righteous,> > > > radiant> > > > > > > individual with good habits. His wife also would be radiant,> > > > > > beautiful> > > > > > > and good-natured.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Meenaraja Hora> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hora pradeepam, and Jataka Saradeepa quotes the same sloka> > with> > > > > > only a> > > > > > > slight difference - Instead of the word `Lagnapatau' (lord> > of> > > > > > > lagna), the word `Pradhamapatau' (lord of first house) is> > used.> > > > > > > Of course this does not change the meaning of the sloka in> > any> > > > > way.> > > > > > > Possibly they knew well that the approach of Meeraja is more> > > > apt> > > > > to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > context.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Note that the results provided by the Meenaraja are in tune> > > > with> > > > > the> > > > > > > rule we derived - Lagna lord in any house bestows good> > results> > > > > for> > > > > > that> > > > > > > house. Naturally if lagna lord is in 7th, the native will> > have a> > > > > > > righteous, radiant, beautiful wife. Since from 7th lagna> > lord> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > lagna, lagna becomes strong and thus the same would be true> > for> > > > > the> > > > > > > native as well. This is the clear-cut path of derivation.> > > > Possibly> > > > > > > because of this many texts such as Hora Pradeepam,> > Horaratnam,> > > > > > Jataka> > > > > > > saradeepa etc quotes Meenaraja's slokas on the same instead> > of> > > > > > > Prarasara's words. But Parasara's words also should be> > > > > > > respected, since he is pointing to some special> > possibilities.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rule 7: Benefic lagna lord providing benefic results if in> > 7th> > > > and> > > > > > > malefic lagna lord providing malefic results if in 7th.> > This is> > > > of> > > > > > > special contextual importance in deriving results for lagna> > > > lord> > > > > in> > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > house. In a generalized way this rule is applicable in all> > the> > > > > > other> > > > > > > cases as well.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Even though this rule is note worthy, we will not give much> > > > > > importance> > > > > > > to this connecting rule (that connects House Base & House-> > > > Planet> > > > > > Base> > > > > > > results) in this whole write-up, since the same will cause> > us to> > > > > > > consider the Planet as well. As mentioned earlier, in this> > > > write-> > > > > > up, we> > > > > > > are more interested in learning `House Base' result> > derivation> > > > > > > system alone.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The 7th house signifies things such as - love, wife, sex,> > sexual> > > > > > > intercourse, lost items, life loving nature, small love> > > > quarrels,> > > > > > death> > > > > > > (being maraka stana; 12th from house of longevity), travel,> > > > > > interest or> > > > > > > lose of interest in things, desire etc. Thus the placement> > of> > > > > lagna> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > in 7th generates special importance to the derivations> > related> > > > to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > same.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ==========================================> > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 dear learned members, I am providing one more chart where the lagna lord is in the 7th wherein the native's wife is hell bent upon a divorce. the details are husband: amir patel february 19, 1972, 7:15 PM, ahmadabad, india wife: bijal patel october 30, 1977, 8:30 AM, ahmadabad, india regards, k.gopu ______________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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