Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis of ancient knowledge. I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now after angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of birth 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India 74E48,34N05) Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun the Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no bad aspect to the fourth house. I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on predictive aspect of Jyotish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Dear Razdan Sahib, Namaskar! I was amused to see your following post in forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack in your chart! Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic astrology " these days! Regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul , " pnrazdan " <pnrazdan@> wrote: I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis of ancient knowledge. I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now after angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of birth 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India 74E48,34N05) Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun the Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no bad aspect to the fourth house. I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on predictive aspect of Jyotish. --- End forwarded message --- Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! Dear Mr Kaul, Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to any individual's whims. Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even through wrong reasons. If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your posts as Spam. Regards, P.N.Razdan Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: hinducivilization , " neelakandanaravindan " <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: Sir Thank you very much, In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu forum where it is creating ripples. i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook which differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, ==> > I suggest you go on repeating Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily <== I agree with that and even the sages who wrote astrological texts suggests the same.. But to the remaining portion of the mail, I totally disagree. Note: Note that there are some warnings (predictions?) to razdan ji as well, which might be useful to him, in handling the situations in a better way, for his merit. Love, Sreenadh , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > Namaskar! > I was amused to see your following post in > forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic > astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack > in your chart! > Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have > been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . > Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating > Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting > amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic > astrology " these days! > Regards, > Avtar Krishen Kaul > , " pnrazdan " > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis > of ancient knowledge. > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > after > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > birth > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > 74E48,34N05) > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun > the > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no > bad > aspect to the fourth house. > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > --- End forwarded message --- > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on > the Vedas! > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New > software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to > any individual's whims. > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even > through wrong reasons. > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your > posts as Spam. > Regards, > P.N.Razdan > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > hinducivilization , " neelakandanaravindan " > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > Sir Thank you very much, > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu > forum where it is creating ripples. > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook > which > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Mr Kaul, Had you read my post carefully, you would have noticed that what I said was about the predictive aspect of astrology. I havent lost faith on this science but I do object to the way this knowledge is treated by jyotishis. Instead of trying to explore the ancient teaching in the way it was given by the sages, modern jyotishis are coming up with bizarre and new theories trying to explain events post facto in their own ways. A scientific approach to astrology like group approach, model building, exploring statistical relationships etc. is altogether absent. Jyotish is wonderful in explaining the personality traits, broad events of life, relationships and a host of other things but unfortunately it has not stood the test of prediction so far and that is the reason it is not getting into the scientific fold as we define it presently. The fault lies in lack of our understanding and not the ancient knowledge. Regards, P.N.Razdan , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > Namaskar! > I was amused to see your following post in > forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic > astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack > in your chart! > Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have > been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . > Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating > Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting > amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic > astrology " these days! > Regards, > Avtar Krishen Kaul > , " pnrazdan " > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis > of ancient knowledge. > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > after > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > birth > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > 74E48,34N05) > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun > the > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no > bad > aspect to the fourth house. > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > --- End forwarded message --- > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on > the Vedas! > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New > software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to > any individual's whims. > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even > through wrong reasons. > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your > posts as Spam. > Regards, > P.N.Razdan > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > hinducivilization , " neelakandanaravindan " > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > Sir Thank you very much, > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu > forum where it is creating ripples. > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook > which > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Razdan ji, Well said! Thanks for the good post. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " pnrazdan " <pnrazdan wrote: > > Dear Mr Kaul, > Had you read my post carefully, you would have noticed that what I > said was about the predictive aspect of astrology. I havent lost faith > on this science but I do object to the way this knowledge is treated > by jyotishis. Instead of trying to explore the ancient teaching in the > way it was given by the sages, modern jyotishis are coming up with > bizarre and new theories trying to explain events post facto in their > own ways. A scientific approach to astrology like group approach, > model building, exploring statistical relationships etc. is altogether > absent. > Jyotish is wonderful in explaining the personality traits, broad > events of life, relationships and a host of other things but > unfortunately it has not stood the test of prediction so far and that > is the reason it is not getting into the scientific fold as we define > it presently. The fault lies in lack of our understanding and not the > ancient knowledge. > Regards, > P.N.Razdan > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > > Namaskar! > > I was amused to see your following post in > > forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic > > astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack > > in your chart! > > Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have > > been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . > > Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating > > Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting > > amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic > > astrology " these days! > > Regards, > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > , " pnrazdan " > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > after > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > birth > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > 74E48,34N05) > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun > > the > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no > > bad > > aspect to the fourth house. > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on > > the Vedas! > > > > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The > > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There > > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New > > software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge > > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the > > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for > > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to > > any individual's whims. > > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA > > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even > > through wrong reasons. > > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your > > posts as Spam. > > Regards, > > P.N.Razdan > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > > hinducivilization , " neelakandanaravindan " > > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > > > Sir Thank you very much, > > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu > > forum where it is creating ripples. > > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook > > which > > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 d/a Mr Kaul is saying somethin which is his personal opinion , and he has given some logic to prove his point , if you have more stronger logic , facts to prove your point please put them on the forum . so at least one person agrees to other .. Any open discussion and free flowing of idea only enhances our outlook and perspective of seeing things . If somebody has a heart attack - and there is no indication in his chart about this - i have two view . ( as i have very strong belief in astrology ) 1. His chart is wrong . or 2. We still do not have the capabilty to comprehend various permutation combination planatery influences. regards prabhat mishra - Haridas Udupa <ahudupa ancient indian astrology Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:53:14 +0530 (IST) Re: Fwd: My heart attack Dear Mr. K Your efforts at debunking Vedic astrology is misdirected energy. Our forefathers without any aid of modern gadgets had the power to exactly calculate planetary movements up to second decimal place and eclipses to the last second. It is easy to act out of sheer ignorance. Even best of doctors are sometimes clueless why a patient suffers from particular symptoms. why? Is it because medical field is not oK? It is just that some cases are obvious and some others are obscure. For nayone to be fit to comment on a subject he must be knowledgeable in that field. Even then his comments may betray his ignorance or sheer bias. regards, udupa On 10/12/07, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote: > > WAVES-Vedic <WAVES-Vedic%40>, > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved wrote: > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > Namaskar! > I was amused to see your following post in > forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic > astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack > in your chart! > Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have > been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . > Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating > Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting > amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic > astrology " these days! > Regards, > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > " pnrazdan " > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis > of ancient knowledge. > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > after > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > birth > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > 74E48,34N05) > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun > the > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no > bad > aspect to the fourth house. > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > --- End forwarded message --- > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on > the Vedas! > > Dear Mr Kaul, > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New > software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to > any individual's whims. > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even > through wrong reasons. > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your > posts as Spam. > Regards, > P.N.Razdan > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > hinducivilization <hinducivilization%40>, > " neelakandanaravindan " > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > Sir Thank you very much, > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu > forum where it is creating ripples. > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook > which > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > -- My life has changed. What about yours? Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Dear Prabhat ji, First know the context - Kaul ji is NOT concerned with the chart; but with his starnd against 'Predictive Astrology' as a whole. Kaul ji has his own logic and ground and he knows well that we have ours there - but due to many reasons our opinions differ. But the most important thing to know is that - there is some uncertain grounds in between - the stands of Kaul ji or us fail to comprehend the same. He know this point, we know this point, and that why we have the mutual respect. Any argument ignoring these points are not at all helpful in any way. As far as chart is concerned - there is only one advice - learn astrology. Love, Sreenadh , prabhat_shcil wrote: > > d/a > > Mr Kaul is saying somethin which is his personal opinion , and he has given some logic to prove his point , if you have more stronger logic , facts to prove your point please put them on the forum . so at least one person agrees to other . Any open discussion and free flowing of idea only enhances our outlook and perspective of seeing things . > > If somebody has a heart attack - and there is no indication in his chart about this - i have two view . ( as i have very strong belief in astrology ) > > 1. His chart is wrong . > > or > > 2. We still do not have the capabilty to comprehend various permutation combination planatery influences. > > regards > > prabhat mishra > > - > Haridas Udupa <ahudupa > ancient indian astrology > Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:53:14 +0530 (IST) > Re: Fwd: My heart attack > > Dear Mr. K > Your efforts at debunking Vedic astrology is misdirected energy. Our > forefathers without any aid of modern gadgets had the power to exactly > calculate planetary movements up to second decimal place and eclipses to the > last second. It is easy to act out of sheer ignorance. > Even best of doctors are sometimes clueless why a patient suffers from > particular symptoms. why? Is it because medical field is not oK? It is just > that some cases are obvious and some others are obscure. For nayone to be > fit to comment on a subject he must be knowledgeable in that field. Even > then his comments may betray his ignorance or sheer bias. > regards, > udupa > > > On 10/12/07, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote: > > > > WAVES-Vedic <WAVES-Vedic%40>, > > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > > Namaskar! > > I was amused to see your following post in > > forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic > > astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack > > in your chart! > > Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have > > been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . > > Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating > > Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting > > amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic > > astrology " these days! > > Regards, > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " pnrazdan " > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > after > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > birth > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > 74E48,34N05) > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun > > the > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no > > bad > > aspect to the fourth house. > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on > > the Vedas! > > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The > > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There > > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New > > software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge > > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the > > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for > > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to > > any individual's whims. > > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA > > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even > > through wrong reasons. > > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your > > posts as Spam. > > Regards, > > P.N.Razdan > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > > --- In hinducivilization <hinducivilization%40>, > > " neelakandanaravindan " > > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > > > Sir Thank you very much, > > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu > > forum where it is creating ripples. > > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook > > which > > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > -- > My life has changed. 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Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Shri Darshaney Lokeshji, Namaskar! I am amused to see your post on the above topic! Now that you have posted on this forum the details about astrological indications of a heart attack of Shri P. N. Razdan, though it appears to have been a personal communication to you from him, I am afraid I will have to put the records straight as to how useless---actually misleading and counter-productive---your so called sayana predictions/astrological assessment and guidance can be. You have said “I found you Capricornian with Moon in Lagna,…. 7 year 6 months and 27 days of Moon dasha balance at birth.”. Vimshottari dasha, like so many other dashas, is known actually as udu-dasha. That means it is to be determined as per “bhayat” (the portion of nakshatra/dasha that is already over, euphemistically in previous birth) and “bhabhog” (the portion of nakshatra/dasha that will be ‘enjoyed” by the native in this birth). Since you have shown the balance of Moon Dasha at birth as 7y 6m 27d it means Shri Razdan was born in Shravana nakshatra according to you. As out of a total duration of Moon dasha of ten years, almost two thirds of it was balance (Bhabhog) it means one third of that Shravana nakshatra was (Bhayat) already over on June 4, 1939, at 21-41-53, the birth time of Shri Razdan according to you. Let us now see the actual position: As per your own calculations the moon’s longitude comes to 283 degrees 13’ 54” and it appears you have calculated the so called sayana topo moon for the said date, time and place of birth. On working out the position of stars as per “Vasishth” program, we find that Shravana Star was having a (so called sayana) position of 301-52-31 whereas the Moon, with a (sayana) longitude of 283-54 was in actual conjunction with Utarrashada Star (and not Shravana) at that point of time! Shravana Star is thus away by more than 18 degrees from that (sayana) longitude of Moon that you have calculated for Shri Razadan! In other words, it is after about one-and-a-half-day after the date and time of birth of Shri Razdan that the Moon will be conjunct Shravana star! You can well imagine that if this is the state of affairs with the fastest moving planet i.e. the Moon vis-à-vis nakshatras, what can be the position of other planets! They will be in that particular star in which you are showing them only after at least 20 days in case of the sun, Mercury and Venus whereas for Mars it may be even a month and for Jupiter about six months and for Saturn about one year! You have said further on the basis of the same wrong dasha at birth <Isht phal. Dasha of THIS 6th HOUSE PLACED GRAHA (Budha)started just on Jan 07.>. Thus all your diagnoses become topsy-turvy since you are talking of such dashas/bhuktis in Januayr 07 (and thus other stages of life!) which never existed then since the “Bhayat” and “Bhabhog” of the birth nakshatra itself is absolutely baseless! Besides, In India there is a practice of nama-karan as per the janma-nakshatra of a native! According to you this should have been for Shravana nakshatra for Shri P. N. Razdan when actually it should have been for Uttarashada nakshatra! Same is the case with Patri-Melapak i.e. matching of horoscopes---though personally I do not believe in that fad, nor in the predictive gimmicks, but you are subjecting your clients to a double jeopardy---not only are they going in for a non-existent fad but that also on the basis of a nakshatra that the moon would be conjunct only at least after one and a half day after their birth! Thus your prognosis is nothing but “correct predictions from incorrect data” for the past events and can never be correct for future events. You are thus doing exactly what Varahamihira the worst charlatan was doing about 1500 years back since your calculations, like that of Varahamihira, are fundamentally wrong in every respect i.e. whether it is nakshatra balance, Dasha-Bhukti, Namakaran, Patri-Melapak etc. and still you claim to make correct predictions! You have also made a fantastic statement < We are very serious on this (i.e. predictive gimmicks!) but as a first work in hand we have to do and we are doing too for the corrections of panchangas festival dates.> As you have just seen, all you are serious about is “making correct predictions from incorrect data” like Lahiriwalas and Ramanawals etc. etc.! In fact, you are worse than all of them since you claim to be a pacnahnga-reformist also, just to impress your clients! Actually your panchangas/tithi-patrak also is providing nothing but fundamentally wrong information to your clients since the lunar nakshatras you are showing in that tithi-patrak are plus by about two days from the actual position of Stars of those nakshatras whereas the nakshatra position of other planets will be much different! You are also including so called Sayana rashis in the tithi-patrak, like in your horoscopes, when there are no such ghosts in the Vedas, Upanaishadas, the VJ etc. etc. Thus all the information in your tithi-patrak is anything but Vedic! Therefore, on the basis of imaginary nakshatras, any muhurtas that you advise are worse than Lahirwalas, since nakshatras are the basic ingredient of muhurtas! As such, you are committing the entire Hindu society to adharma and that also deliberately and in spite of having been warned about the same! Your remedy is worse than the disease itself! You are, obviously, even today following Maya the mlechha since that is exactly what he had advocated in his Surya Sidhanta---clubbing Mesharamba bindu (Vernal Equinox) with the start of (sayana) Mesha Rashi and then simultaneously with the start of Ashvini nakshatra! And you claim to be a panchanga sudharak! I have already made it clear several times that I will oppose any such “reforms” which puts the Hindu community out of the (Lahiri) frying pan into (sayana Mesha coupled with Ashvini nakshatra!) fire! And maybe some client may even take you to a court of law for using such a wrong and misleading system of planetary data vis-à-vis nakshatras in the janmapatris as well as the tithi-patrak! Example is always better than precept. Let me therefore demonstrate it to you practically as to how wrong you are about muhuras also. Suppose someone consults your tithi-patrak and fixes the day of yajnyopaveeta (Upanayana) for his son for Thursday, January 17, 2008, since it is Uttarayana, Thursday, and Rohini nakshatra upto 24 hrs. 54 mts. (according to your tithi-patrak) on that date. The (sayana) lunar longitude for being in conjunction of Rohini nakshatra must be around 70 degrees then for January 17, 2008. However, as per your own calculations, (sayana) lunar longitude on Jan 17, 2008, from 5-30 am to 24-54 hrs ranges from 41-40 degrees to about 53-20 degrees! Rohini star is thus away by at least 17 degrees even from the farthest point of your (sayana) lunar longitude! On the other hand, the longitudes of Ashvini star is 34-5 and Bharni star it is 48-19 respectively for January 17, 2008, which means that the moon will be in those two nakshatras on January 17, 2008 and not Rohini! You can well imagine thus as to what type of a reaction/response your such “jyotish and “panchanga reforms” will have from astrological magazines like Future Point, Astrological Magazine, Mystic India etc. etc. apart from the dharmacharyas like Shankaracharyas and others! How are you going to face them, since you have no crutches for such wrong nakshatras nor for rashis, whether Sayana or nirayana? To sum up, you must have realized by now that you will have to choose either of the two -- either predictive gimmicks or calendar reform because if you hug nirayana rashis you cannot club Madhu, Madhava etc. seasonal months or Uttarayana, Dakshinayana etc. phenomena with the same and if yo go by so called sayana rashis, your naksatra system is going to fall flat! And as you know, no predictive gimmick can survive without rashis, whether the so called sayana (like yours!) or the so called nirayana (like Lahiriwalas, Ramanawalas and so on). The choice is, of course, yours, but please bear it in mind that my opposition is not to Mr. A. or Mr. B. but to clubbing predictive gimmicks with calendar reform, since both of them can never go hand in hand! With regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul PS for Shri P N Razdan! I request you once again to please stop running after “jyotishis” for predictive gimmicks since the more you do so, the more confused you will get and the more the chances of your suffering from another heart attack will be there! Just go on reciting Maha-mriyunajaya mantra for which you do not need any advice from any jyotishi nor have you to wear a “piece of emerald on any of the finger” since even Ekamukhi rudrakhsa could not save Smti. Indira Gandhi or the Maharaja of Nepal from being assassinated, so how can an “emerald” save you from another heart attack! If gems like emeralds were so powerful, no jeweler would ever suffer from any heart attack or from any other misery! AKK HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh wrote: Dear Razdan ji, Namastey. In view of your request and my involvent in the predictive astrology I am going to comment on your horoscope.Taking 4th June 1939 at 21-41-53 Hrs at POB Kashmir as your birth details, I found you Capricornian with Moon in Lagna, Mars in 2nd ,Jupiter and Saturn in 4th, Venus in 5th, Sun and Mercury in 6th and Rahu in 11th house with 7 year 6 months and 27 days of Moon dasha balance at birth.You got MERCURY Mahadasha started w.e.f. 2nd Jan of this year. In calculating Shad Balas I found your Sun to Sat 8.04, 8.96,6.31,6.029(Mercury), 8.55, 7.38 and 5.52 Rupas respectively. Mercury is the only weak graha having .0887 comparative strength. It is also quite notable that Isht phala of the same mercury is only 5.94. It is very clear that the 4th House, Sun and the sign Leo, as the bases are basic needs for explaining heart and heart attacks. Any of these bases under any of the severe separative effects indicates the problem and dasha alongwith the transite effects indicate the time .Saturns' joining or aspecting Sun alongwith Mercury or Mars or Moon is one of the such severe separative effect. I have noted some of the causing combinations for this problem. One of the combination is the joint influence, association or aspect of the Mars and Ketu, simultaneously, on the 'Peedit' Sun and /or Leo and /or 4th house of the chart or say Kundali. Mercury is the graha of 'SnaAyu Tantra' . As your 'bhages' also it is in the least effectivity factor because of weakest SB strength and Isht phal. Dasha of THIS 6th HOUSE PLACED GRAHA started just on Jan 07. In fact, you seem to be a Jupiter booned person but right from Nov 2006 you have been some what neglected by the same Guru graham due to its weekest transite function. The 12th placed Jup gets only 2 vindus in AV. Unfortunately, it has been the trend of astrologers' society that as a postmortem explaination every astrologer can prove every happening on any horoscocpe but as a foreseen explaination either they are r dam failure or often recorrecting their incorrect statements like politics persons.We are very serious on this but as a first work in hand we have to do and we aredoing too for the corrections of panchangas festival dates. Debility of Saturn is cancelled and Jupiter has got a meaningful hold on that Saturn by joining in the birth Kundali and disposing in the Navamsha. On this I can assure you a good support from such a Saturn. Saturn is the karka of longivity too. As a remedy you can certainly have a piece of emerald on any of the finger. > Thank you. Darshaney Lokesh Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote: --- In WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote: Dear Razdan Sahib, Namaskar! I was amused to see your following post in forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack in your chart! Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic astrology " these days! Regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul --- In , " pnrazdan " <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis > of ancient knowledge. > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > after > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > birth > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > 74E48,34N05) > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun > the > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no > bad > aspect to the fourth house. > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > --- End forwarded message --- > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on > the Vedas! > > Dear Mr Kaul, > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New > software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to > any individual's whims. > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even > through wrong reasons. > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your > posts as Spam. > Regards, > P.N.Razdan > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > hinducivilization , " neelakandanaravindan " > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > Sir Thank you very much, > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu > forum where it is creating ripples. > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook > which > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 , " jyotirved " <jyotirved wrote: > > Shri Darshaney Lokeshji, > > Namaskar! > > I am amused to see your post on the above topic! > Dear Kishen Kaul Ji, Your posts are wonderful and you seem very knowledgeable on all topics of astrology. Kindly advise us newbies in the groups on the following: 1) Best software to use 2)Lahiri or Raman oR KP Ayanamsa to use 3) Good reference books (Sreenadhji suggested KN Rao and CS Pandit) PLease help us beginners Thanks Kiran > > > Now that you have posted on this forum the details about astrological > indications of a heart attack of Shri P. N. Razdan, though it appears to > have been a personal communication to you from him, I am afraid I will have > to put the records straight as to how useless---actually misleading and > counter-productive---your so called sayana predictions/astrological > assessment and guidance can be. > > > > You have said " I found you Capricornian with Moon in Lagna,…. 7 year 6 > months and 27 days of Moon dasha balance at birth. " . > > > > Vimshottari dasha, like so many other dashas, is known actually as > udu-dasha. That means it is to be determined as per " bhayat " (the portion > of nakshatra/dasha that is already over, euphemistically in previous birth) > and " bhabhog " (the portion of nakshatra/dasha that will be `enjoyed " by the > native in this birth). Since you have shown the balance of Moon Dasha at > birth as 7y 6m 27d it means Shri Razdan was born in Shravana nakshatra > according to you. As out of a total duration of Moon dasha of ten years, > almost two thirds of it was balance (Bhabhog) it means one third of that > Shravana nakshatra was (Bhayat) already over on June 4, 1939, at 21-41-53, > the birth time of Shri Razdan according to you. > > > > Let us now see the actual position: As per your own calculations the moon's > longitude comes to 283 degrees 13' 54 " and it appears you have calculated > the so called sayana topo moon for the said date, time and place of birth. > On working out the position of stars as per " Vasishth " program, we find that > Shravana Star was having a (so called sayana) position of 301-52-31 whereas > the Moon, with a (sayana) longitude of 283-54 was in actual conjunction with > Utarrashada Star (and not Shravana) at that point of time! > > > > Shravana Star is thus away by more than 18 degrees from that (sayana) > longitude of Moon that you have calculated for Shri Razadan! In other > words, it is after about one-and-a-half-day after the date and time of birth > of Shri Razdan that the Moon will be conjunct Shravana star! > > > > You can well imagine that if this is the state of affairs with the fastest > moving planet i.e. the Moon vis-à-vis nakshatras, what can be the position > of other planets! They will be in that particular star in which you are > showing them only after at least 20 days in case of the sun, Mercury and > Venus whereas for Mars it may be even a month and for Jupiter about six > months and for Saturn about one year! > > > > You have said further on the basis of the same wrong dasha at birth > > <Isht phal. Dasha of THIS 6th HOUSE PLACED GRAHA (Budha)started just on Jan > 07.>. Thus all your diagnoses become topsy-turvy since you are talking of > such dashas/bhuktis in Januayr 07 (and thus other stages of life!) which > never existed then since the " Bhayat " and " Bhabhog " of the birth nakshatra > itself is absolutely baseless! > > > > Besides, In India there is a practice of nama-karan as per the > janma-nakshatra of a native! According to you this should have been for > Shravana nakshatra for Shri P. N. Razdan when actually it should have been > for Uttarashada nakshatra! Same is the case with Patri-Melapak i.e. > matching of horoscopes---though personally I do not believe in that fad, nor > in the predictive gimmicks, but you are subjecting your clients to a double > jeopardy---not only are they going in for a non-existent fad but that also > on the basis of a nakshatra that the moon would be conjunct only at least > after one and a half day after their birth! > > > > Thus your prognosis is nothing but " correct predictions from incorrect data " > for the past events and can never be correct for future events. You are > thus doing exactly what Varahamihira the worst charlatan was doing about > 1500 years back since your calculations, like that of Varahamihira, are > fundamentally wrong in every respect i.e. whether it is nakshatra balance, > Dasha-Bhukti, Namakaran, Patri-Melapak etc. and still you claim to make > correct predictions! > > > > You have also made a fantastic statement > > < We are very serious on this (i.e. predictive gimmicks!) but as a first > work in hand we have to do and we are doing too for the corrections of > panchangas festival dates.> > > > > As you have just seen, all you are serious about is " making correct > predictions from incorrect data " like Lahiriwalas and Ramanawals etc. etc.! > In fact, you are worse than all of them since you claim to be a > pacnahnga-reformist also, just to impress your clients! Actually your > panchangas/tithi-patrak also is providing nothing but fundamentally wrong > information to your clients since the lunar nakshatras you are showing in > that tithi-patrak are plus by about two days from the actual position of > Stars of those nakshatras whereas the nakshatra position of other planets > will be much different! You are also including so called Sayana rashis in > the tithi-patrak, like in your horoscopes, when there are no such ghosts in > the Vedas, Upanaishadas, the VJ etc. etc. Thus all the information in your > tithi-patrak is anything but Vedic! Therefore, on the basis of imaginary > nakshatras, any muhurtas that you advise are worse than Lahirwalas, since > nakshatras are the basic ingredient of muhurtas! As such, you are > committing the entire Hindu society to adharma and that also deliberately > and in spite of having been warned about the same! Your remedy is worse > than the disease itself! > > > > You are, obviously, even today following Maya the mlechha since that is > exactly what he had advocated in his Surya Sidhanta---clubbing Mesharamba > bindu (Vernal Equinox) with the start of (sayana) Mesha Rashi and then > simultaneously with the start of Ashvini nakshatra! > > > > And you claim to be a panchanga sudharak! > > > > I have already made it clear several times that I will oppose any such > " reforms " which puts the Hindu community out of the (Lahiri) frying pan into > (sayana Mesha coupled with Ashvini nakshatra!) fire! And maybe some client > may even take you to a court of law for using such a wrong and misleading > system of planetary data vis-à-vis nakshatras in the janmapatris as well as > the tithi-patrak! > > > > Example is always better than precept. Let me therefore demonstrate it to > you practically as to how wrong you are about muhuras also. Suppose someone > consults your tithi-patrak and fixes the day of yajnyopaveeta (Upanayana) > for his son for Thursday, January 17, 2008, since it is Uttarayana, > Thursday, and Rohini nakshatra upto 24 hrs. 54 mts. (according to your > tithi-patrak) on that date. The (sayana) lunar longitude for being in > conjunction of Rohini nakshatra must be around 70 degrees then for January > 17, 2008. However, as per your own calculations, (sayana) lunar longitude > on Jan 17, 2008, from 5-30 am to 24-54 hrs ranges from 41-40 degrees to > about 53-20 degrees! Rohini star is thus away by at least 17 degrees even > from the farthest point of your (sayana) lunar longitude! On the other > hand, the longitudes of Ashvini star is 34-5 and Bharni star it is 48-19 > respectively for January 17, 2008, which means that the moon will be in > those two nakshatras on January 17, 2008 and not Rohini! > > > > You can well imagine thus as to what type of a reaction/response your such > " jyotish and " panchanga reforms " will have from astrological magazines like > Future Point, Astrological Magazine, Mystic India etc. etc. apart from the > dharmacharyas like Shankaracharyas and others! How are you going to face > them, since you have no crutches for such wrong nakshatras nor for rashis, > whether Sayana or nirayana? > > > > To sum up, you must have realized by now that you will have to choose either > of the two -- either predictive gimmicks or calendar reform because if you > hug nirayana rashis you cannot club Madhu, Madhava etc. seasonal months or > Uttarayana, Dakshinayana etc. phenomena with the same and if yo go by so > called sayana rashis, your naksatra system is going to fall flat! > > > > And as you know, no predictive gimmick can survive without rashis, whether > the so called sayana (like yours!) or the so called nirayana (like > Lahiriwalas, Ramanawalas and so on). > > > > The choice is, of course, yours, but please bear it in mind that my > opposition is not to Mr. A. or Mr. B. but to clubbing predictive gimmicks > with calendar reform, since both of them can never go hand in hand! > > > > With regards, > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > > PS for Shri P N Razdan! I request you once again to please stop running > after " jyotishis " for predictive gimmicks since the more you do so, the more > confused you will get and the more the chances of your suffering from > another heart attack will be there! Just go on reciting Maha-mriyunajaya > mantra for which you do not need any advice from any jyotishi nor have you > to wear a " piece of emerald on any of the finger " since even Ekamukhi > rudrakhsa could not save Smti. Indira Gandhi or the Maharaja of Nepal from > being assassinated, so how can an " emerald " save you from another heart > attack! If gems like emeralds were so powerful, no jeweler would ever > suffer from any heart attack or from any other misery! > > AKK > > > > > > HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Razdan ji, > > Namastey. In view of your request and my involvent in the > predictive > > astrology I am going to comment on your horoscope.Taking 4th June 1939 at > 21-41-53 Hrs at POB Kashmir as your birth details, I found you Capricornian > with Moon in Lagna, Mars in 2nd ,Jupiter and Saturn in 4th, Venus in 5th, > Sun and Mercury in 6th and Rahu in 11th house with 7 year 6 months and 27 > days of Moon dasha balance at birth.You got MERCURY Mahadasha started w.e.f. > 2nd Jan of this year. In calculating Shad Balas I found your Sun to Sat > 8.04, 8.96,6.31,6.029(Mercury), 8.55, 7.38 and 5.52 Rupas respectively. > Mercury is the only weak graha having .0887 comparative strength. It is also > quite notable that Isht phala of the same mercury is only 5.94. > > It is very clear that the 4th House, Sun and the sign Leo, > as the bases are basic needs for explaining heart and heart attacks. Any of > these bases under any of the severe separative effects indicates the problem > and dasha alongwith the transite effects indicate the time .Saturns' joining > or aspecting Sun alongwith Mercury or Mars or Moon is one of the such severe > separative effect. I have noted some of the causing combinations for this > problem. One of the combination is the joint influence, association or > aspect of the Mars and Ketu, simultaneously, on the 'Peedit' Sun and /or Leo > and /or 4th house of the chart or say Kundali. Mercury is the graha of > 'SnaAyu Tantra' . As your 'bhages' also it is in the least effectivity > factor because of weakest SB strength and Isht phal. Dasha of THIS 6th HOUSE > PLACED GRAHA started just on Jan 07. In fact, you seem to be a Jupiter > booned person but right from Nov 2006 you have been some what neglected by > the same Guru graham due to its weekest transite function. The 12th placed > Jup gets only 2 vindus in AV. > > Unfortunately, it has been the trend of astrologers' society that as a > postmortem explaination every astrologer can prove every happening on any > horoscocpe but as a foreseen explaination either they are r dam failure or > often recorrecting their incorrect statements like politics persons.We are > very serious on this but as a first work in hand we have to do and we > aredoing too for the corrections of panchangas festival dates. > > Debility of Saturn is cancelled and Jupiter has got a meaningful > hold on > > that Saturn by joining in the birth Kundali and disposing in the Navamsha. > On this I can assure you a good support from such a Saturn. Saturn is the > karka of longivity too. As a remedy you can certainly have a piece of > emerald on any of the finger. > > > Thank you. > Darshaney Lokesh > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > > WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > > Namaskar! > > I was amused to see your following post in > > forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic > > astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack > > in your chart! > > Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have > > been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . > > Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating > > Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting > > amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic > > astrology " these days! > > Regards, > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > , " pnrazdan " > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis > > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > > after > > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as > > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > > birth > > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > > 74E48,34N05) > > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun > > > the > > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no > > > bad > > > aspect to the fourth house. > > > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the > > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why > > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > > > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on > > > the Vedas! > > > > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > > > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > > > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The > > > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There > > > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New > > > software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge > > > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the > > > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for > > > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > > > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to > > > any individual's whims. > > > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA > > > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even > > > through wrong reasons. > > > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your > > > posts as Spam. > > > Regards, > > > P.N.Razdan > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > hinducivilization , " neelakandanaravindan " > > > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir Thank you very much, > > > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu > > > forum where it is creating ripples. > > > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook > > > which > > > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: Dear Kaulji/Sreenadhji, I bought all of BV Raman's books to learn astrology - Now I am very worried after reading this mail WHich is the book to refer? How are PV Narasimha Rao's " Vedic Astrology " and Sanjay Rath's " Vedic Remedies in astrology " books.. I bought Raoji book and he says BV Raman is his guru Pls. advise I am very confused Thanks Kiran > > Dear Mr. Avtar Krishen Kaul, > > >>...and Varahamihira was certainly the greatest charlatan since he is > supposed to have made correct predictions from the planetary data > based on the most incorrect Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha!...<< > > And this is no doubt the greatest postulate of all times - and > undocumented too... > > >>...also the " Greatest Vedic astrologer of the twentieth century " . He > also made correct predictions from incorrect data! Witness his > " Notable Horoscopes " ...<< > > I guess you are talking about the late Dr. B.V. Raman here and the > fact that he used the Raman-Ayanamsa. I have actually met Dr. B.V. > Raman in person and had a long conversation with him, but you never > met him, I guess... > > I wonder why you are showing so much disrespect and arrogance towards > great hindu astrologers like these. You almost sound like a skeptic. > Perhaps one of the followers of the American magician, James Randi. > There is a debating-forum specially designed by James Randi for > skeptics like you. Maybe you should try it! > > Very friendly, > Finn Wandahl > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > > Namaskar! > > 1. Please read Koshur6.doc. We can compare notes again. > > 2. Anybody who makes correct predictions from incorrect data is > > definitely a charlatan and Varahamihira was certainly the greatest > > charlatan since he is supposed to have made correct predictions > > from the planetary data based on the most incorrect Surya Sidhanta > > by Maya the mlechha! No wonder people like you bow before him after > > one and a half millenium! > > 3. In the last century itself we had also the " Greatest Vedic > > astrologer of the twentieth century " . He also made correct > > predictions from incorrect data! Witness his " Notable Horoscopes " - > > - almost not even a single horoscope, including that of > > the " greatest astrologer himself " in that book is correct! That is > > why people bow before him even today! > > 4. Tha half a dozen Parasharis that are floating around in the > > market these days are the worst possible concoctions! The earliest > > printed edition of Brihat Prashari (Venkateshwar Press, Bombay) > > available as on date advises us to use Grahalaghava Ayanamsha. I > > only hope you know when Grahlaghava was composed! > > Thus uou seem to be ignorant of even the basic literature of the so > > called phalita Jyotishashastra about which you are having a shastra- > > artha! That is the real hall mark of " successful Vedic > > astrologers " . Keep it up! > > > > With regards, > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > , " pnrazdan " > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > > > You seem to be either confused yourself or try to confuse others by > > > mixing up things. Let me put pieces in your mail in right > > perspective:- > > > To Sage Logadha is mainly attributed the knowledge of astronomy > > which > > > also serves as the basis of framing birth charts. It is correct > > that > > > his knowledge forms part of the Vedangas and reflects on astronomy > > > (and partly astrology) as a part of man’s holistic environment. > > But > > > the real knowledge of Jyotish comes from Rishi Parashara, the > > grandson > > > of Sage Vasisth of Ramayana period much earlier than Vedangas which > > > followed Vedas a thousand years later. Parashara reportedly got > > this > > > knowledge from Brahma > > > The Greek touch you refer is probably the Tajik astrology when this > > > branch of jyotish erupted in the muslim rule. Their predictive > > > techniques include the Varsha Phal and Suham. This is of recent > > origin > > > and bears no link to Sage Parashara's work which came much earlier > > and > > > are full of predictive tecniques. > > > Only a person of your prominence can call Varahmihra a fraud. I as > > an > > > ignorant person on this earth, bow before his knowledge ! > > > Regards, > > > P.N.Razdan > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen > > Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > > < Had you read my post carefully, you would have noticed that > > what I > > > > said was about the predictive aspect of astrology. I havent lost > > > > faith on this science but I do object to the way this knowledge > > is > > > > treated by jyotishis> > > > > > > > > I am surprised to read your statement which shows as to how > > ignorant > > > > you are about the real definition of jyotisha! > > > > > > > > Jyoisha as a Vedanga is meant as a methodology of caluclating > > the > > > > position of the Sun and Moon so that tithi, nkashtara, solar and > > > > lunar months could be caluclated properly for deciding proper > > > > timings of yajnyas! Acharya Lagadha's " Vedanga Jyotisha " is the > > > > firsst and the only indigenous work of this type calculated in > > > > Kashmir in 14th century BCE! Predictive gimmkicks came into > > India > > > > only with the advent of the Greeks! > > > > > > > > It may be news to you that Varhamahira was actually the greatest > > > > charlatan that India has ever produced since according to him it > > > > was " Spashtataro Savitrah " i.e. " The Surya Sidhanta is the most > > > > accurate work for calculating planetary longitudes " when > > actually it > > > > is the most inaccurate work that could ever have been produced > > by > > > > any fraud in the world! > > > > > > > > To crown it all, Maya the mlechha has said that the Surya > > Sidhanta > > > > was revealed to him by Surya Bhagwan himself! In other words, > > he is > > > > one of the greatest liars since no Hindu Rishi has ever claimed > > that > > > > planetary longitudes were ever revealed to him by any " god " . > > Even > > > > the sidhanta-karas like Brahmagupta etc. have given due credit > > to > > > > their predecessor, but Maya the mlechha has misled the Hindu > > > > community by nose! And yo are no exception in being misled! > > > > > > > > I suggest yo go through some of my papers like " Koshur6.doc " ; > > > > rashi5.doc, rotary.doc etc. etc. to get a complete picture! > > These > > > > are already in the files section of this forum! > > > > > > > > Let me end this note with the famouse Kashmiri saying > > > > " Peeru kartam yariyah yeti paanu yeeru asakh " > > > > With regards, > > > > AKK > > > > , " pnrazdan " > > > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > > > > > Had you read my post carefully, you would have noticed that > > what I > > > > > said was about the predictive aspect of astrology. I havent > > lost > > > > faith > > > > > on this science but I do object to the way this knowledge is > > > > treated > > > > > by jyotishis. Instead of trying to explore the ancient > > teaching in > > > > the > > > > > way it was given by the sages, modern jyotishis are coming up > > with > > > > > bizarre and new theories trying to explain events post facto > > in > > > > their > > > > > own ways. A scientific approach to astrology like group > > approach, > > > > > model building, exploring statistical relationships etc. is > > > > altogether > > > > > absent. > > > > > Jyotish is wonderful in explaining the personality traits, > > broad > > > > > events of life, relationships and a host of other things but > > > > > unfortunately it has not stood the test of prediction so far > > and > > > > that > > > > > is the reason it is not getting into the scientific fold as we > > > > define > > > > > it presently. The fault lies in lack of our understanding and > > not > > > > the > > > > > ancient knowledge. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > P.N.Razdan > > > > > > > > > > , " Avtar > > Krishen > > > > Kaul " > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > I was amused to see your following post in > > > > > > > > > > forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so > > called > > > > Vedic > > > > > > astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart > > > > attack > > > > > > in your chart! > > > > > > Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would > > not > > > > have > > > > > > been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . > > > > > > Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on > > > > repeating > > > > > > Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting > > > > > > amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic > > > > > > astrology " these days! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > , " pnrazdan " > > > > > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able > > to > > > > > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on > > the > > > > basis > > > > > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well > > now > > > > > > after > > > > > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this > > > > event as > > > > > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. > > (Date of > > > > > > birth > > > > > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > > > > > 74E48,34N05) > > > > > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, > > and > > > > Sun > > > > > > the > > > > > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There > > is > > > > no > > > > > > bad > > > > > > aspect to the fourth house. > > > > > > > > > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen > > responses > > > > > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery > > of > > > > the > > > > > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query > > as > > > > to why > > > > > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > > > > > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise > > astrological > > > > > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith > > on > > > > > > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest > > > > fraud on > > > > > > the Vedas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > > > > > > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > > > > > > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and > > culture. > > > > The > > > > > > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. > > > > There > > > > > > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. > > New > > > > > > software has been developed which has demystified the > > knowledge > > > > > > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the > > subject.If > > > > the > > > > > > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the > > subject > > > > for > > > > > > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > > > > > > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government > > nor > > > > to > > > > > > any individual's whims. > > > > > > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to > > prove > > > > VA > > > > > > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for > > fame > > > > even > > > > > > through wrong reasons. > > > > > > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to > > mark > > > > your > > > > > > posts as Spam. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > P.N.Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In > > hinducivilization , " neelakandanaravindan " > > > > > > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Thank you very much, > > > > > > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a > > Tamil > > > > Hindu > > > > > > forum where it is creating ripples. > > > > > > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our > > outlook > > > > > > which > > > > > > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Dear Kiran.rama, >>-- In , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: Dear Kaulji/Sreenadhji,I bought all of BV Raman's books to learn astrology - Now I am very worried after reading this mail>> No, I never wrote anything like this. Please quote me right... >>I bought Raoji book and he says BV Raman is his guru..<< No, this is not correct. Dr. B.V. Raman is not the guru of Mr. K.N. Rao. >>Pls. advise, I am very confused...<< Yes, I can see that... :-) Very friendly, Finn Wandahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Dear Finnji, I was referring to Kaulji. I bought PVR Narasimha Rao and BV Raman books. AFter reading Kaulji's mails I am very worried WHich ayanamsa to use? Is BV Raman a fraud? Which books to buy? I want to ensure I learn from the right book Regards Kiran , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: > > Dear Kiran.rama, > > >>-- In , " Finn Wandahl " > <finn.wandahl@> wrote: Dear Kaulji/Sreenadhji,I bought all of BV > Raman's books to learn astrology - Now I am very worried after reading > this mail>> > > No, I never wrote anything like this. Please quote me right... > > >>I bought Raoji book and he says BV Raman is his guru..<< > > No, this is not correct. Dr. B.V. Raman is not the guru of Mr. K.N. Rao. > > >>Pls. advise, I am very confused...<< > > Yes, I can see that... :-) > > Very friendly, > Finn Wandahl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Dear Kiran ji, You mis-understook Kaul ji. He is AGANIST astrology - or rather any kind of 'predictive gimmicks' in his own words. I will give - the possible answers he may suggest (but we will not). 1) Best software to use: Don't use any software for astrology as astrology itself should be discarded. If you want to know planetary position at any period of time (just to learn astronomy or for the purpose of studies in Calendar reform), then many are available out there + You will find a unique program in the files section of Hindu Calendar group. 2)Lahiri or Raman oR KP Ayanamsa to use: All Ayanamsa's should be discarded and Astrology as well. Tropical caleder is the only thing that is true. 3) Good reference books: About what - astrology? Forget it! Any book on astrology is bad. How can a book on astrology could be good, when astrology itself is bad - you are contradicting your own statements! I was just trying to present the possible response of Kaul ji as per my understanding about him.. And now you could easily see, how your question is addressing a wrong person.. Kaul ji is the right person to ask about many other things, but certainly not this question!! Love, Sreenadh , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > , " jyotirved " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Shri Darshaney Lokeshji, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > I am amused to see your post on the above topic! > > > Dear Kishen Kaul Ji, > > Your posts are wonderful and you seem very knowledgeable on all topics > of astrology. > > Kindly advise us newbies in the groups on the following: > 1) Best software to use > 2)Lahiri or Raman oR KP Ayanamsa to use > 3) Good reference books (Sreenadhji suggested KN Rao and CS Pandit) > > > PLease help us beginners > > Thanks > Kiran > > > > > > > > Now that you have posted on this forum the details about astrological > > indications of a heart attack of Shri P. N. Razdan, though it appears to > > have been a personal communication to you from him, I am afraid I > will have > > to put the records straight as to how useless---actually misleading and > > counter-productive---your so called sayana predictions/astrological > > assessment and guidance can be. > > > > > > > > You have said " I found you Capricornian with Moon in Lagna,…. 7 year 6 > > months and 27 days of Moon dasha balance at birth. " . > > > > > > > > Vimshottari dasha, like so many other dashas, is known actually as > > udu-dasha. That means it is to be determined as per " bhayat " (the > portion > > of nakshatra/dasha that is already over, euphemistically in previous > birth) > > and " bhabhog " (the portion of nakshatra/dasha that will be `enjoyed " > by the > > native in this birth). Since you have shown the balance of Moon > Dasha at > > birth as 7y 6m 27d it means Shri Razdan was born in Shravana nakshatra > > according to you. As out of a total duration of Moon dasha of ten > years, > > almost two thirds of it was balance (Bhabhog) it means one third of that > > Shravana nakshatra was (Bhayat) already over on June 4, 1939, at > 21-41-53, > > the birth time of Shri Razdan according to you. > > > > > > > > Let us now see the actual position: As per your own calculations > the moon's > > longitude comes to 283 degrees 13' 54 " and it appears you have > calculated > > the so called sayana topo moon for the said date, time and place of > birth. > > On working out the position of stars as per " Vasishth " program, we > find that > > Shravana Star was having a (so called sayana) position of 301-52- 31 > whereas > > the Moon, with a (sayana) longitude of 283-54 was in actual > conjunction with > > Utarrashada Star (and not Shravana) at that point of time! > > > > > > > > Shravana Star is thus away by more than 18 degrees from that (sayana) > > longitude of Moon that you have calculated for Shri Razadan! In other > > words, it is after about one-and-a-half-day after the date and time > of birth > > of Shri Razdan that the Moon will be conjunct Shravana star! > > > > > > > > You can well imagine that if this is the state of affairs with the > fastest > > moving planet i.e. the Moon vis-à-vis nakshatras, what can be the > position > > of other planets! They will be in that particular star in which you are > > showing them only after at least 20 days in case of the sun, Mercury and > > Venus whereas for Mars it may be even a month and for Jupiter about six > > months and for Saturn about one year! > > > > > > > > You have said further on the basis of the same wrong dasha at birth > > > > <Isht phal. Dasha of THIS 6th HOUSE PLACED GRAHA (Budha)started just > on Jan > > 07.>. Thus all your diagnoses become topsy-turvy since you are > talking of > > such dashas/bhuktis in Januayr 07 (and thus other stages of life!) which > > never existed then since the " Bhayat " and " Bhabhog " of the birth > nakshatra > > itself is absolutely baseless! > > > > > > > > Besides, In India there is a practice of nama-karan as per the > > janma-nakshatra of a native! According to you this should have been for > > Shravana nakshatra for Shri P. N. Razdan when actually it should > have been > > for Uttarashada nakshatra! Same is the case with Patri-Melapak i.e. > > matching of horoscopes---though personally I do not believe in that > fad, nor > > in the predictive gimmicks, but you are subjecting your clients to a > double > > jeopardy---not only are they going in for a non-existent fad but > that also > > on the basis of a nakshatra that the moon would be conjunct only at > least > > after one and a half day after their birth! > > > > > > > > Thus your prognosis is nothing but " correct predictions from > incorrect data " > > for the past events and can never be correct for future events. You are > > thus doing exactly what Varahamihira the worst charlatan was doing about > > 1500 years back since your calculations, like that of Varahamihira, are > > fundamentally wrong in every respect i.e. whether it is nakshatra > balance, > > Dasha-Bhukti, Namakaran, Patri-Melapak etc. and still you claim to make > > correct predictions! > > > > > > > > You have also made a fantastic statement > > > > < We are very serious on this (i.e. predictive gimmicks!) but as a first > > work in hand we have to do and we are doing too for the corrections of > > panchangas festival dates.> > > > > > > > > As you have just seen, all you are serious about is " making correct > > predictions from incorrect data " like Lahiriwalas and Ramanawals > etc. etc.! > > In fact, you are worse than all of them since you claim to be a > > pacnahnga-reformist also, just to impress your clients! Actually your > > panchangas/tithi-patrak also is providing nothing but fundamentally > wrong > > information to your clients since the lunar nakshatras you are > showing in > > that tithi-patrak are plus by about two days from the actual position of > > Stars of those nakshatras whereas the nakshatra position of other > planets > > will be much different! You are also including so called Sayana > rashis in > > the tithi-patrak, like in your horoscopes, when there are no such > ghosts in > > the Vedas, Upanaishadas, the VJ etc. etc. Thus all the information > in your > > tithi-patrak is anything but Vedic! Therefore, on the basis of > imaginary > > nakshatras, any muhurtas that you advise are worse than Lahirwalas, > since > > nakshatras are the basic ingredient of muhurtas! As such, you are > > committing the entire Hindu society to adharma and that also > deliberately > > and in spite of having been warned about the same! Your remedy is worse > > than the disease itself! > > > > > > > > You are, obviously, even today following Maya the mlechha since that is > > exactly what he had advocated in his Surya Sidhanta---clubbing > Mesharamba > > bindu (Vernal Equinox) with the start of (sayana) Mesha Rashi and then > > simultaneously with the start of Ashvini nakshatra! > > > > > > > > And you claim to be a panchanga sudharak! > > > > > > > > I have already made it clear several times that I will oppose any such > > " reforms " which puts the Hindu community out of the (Lahiri) frying > pan into > > (sayana Mesha coupled with Ashvini nakshatra!) fire! And maybe some > client > > may even take you to a court of law for using such a wrong and > misleading > > system of planetary data vis-à-vis nakshatras in the janmapatris as > well as > > the tithi-patrak! > > > > > > > > Example is always better than precept. Let me therefore demonstrate > it to > > you practically as to how wrong you are about muhuras also. Suppose > someone > > consults your tithi-patrak and fixes the day of yajnyopaveeta > (Upanayana) > > for his son for Thursday, January 17, 2008, since it is Uttarayana, > > Thursday, and Rohini nakshatra upto 24 hrs. 54 mts. (according to your > > tithi-patrak) on that date. The (sayana) lunar longitude for being in > > conjunction of Rohini nakshatra must be around 70 degrees then for > January > > 17, 2008. However, as per your own calculations, (sayana) lunar > longitude > > on Jan 17, 2008, from 5-30 am to 24-54 hrs ranges from 41-40 degrees to > > about 53-20 degrees! Rohini star is thus away by at least 17 > degrees even > > from the farthest point of your (sayana) lunar longitude! On the other > > hand, the longitudes of Ashvini star is 34-5 and Bharni star it is > 48-19 > > respectively for January 17, 2008, which means that the moon will be in > > those two nakshatras on January 17, 2008 and not Rohini! > > > > > > > > You can well imagine thus as to what type of a reaction/response > your such > > " jyotish and " panchanga reforms " will have from astrological > magazines like > > Future Point, Astrological Magazine, Mystic India etc. etc. apart > from the > > dharmacharyas like Shankaracharyas and others! How are you going to > face > > them, since you have no crutches for such wrong nakshatras nor for > rashis, > > whether Sayana or nirayana? > > > > > > > > To sum up, you must have realized by now that you will have to > choose either > > of the two -- either predictive gimmicks or calendar reform because > if you > > hug nirayana rashis you cannot club Madhu, Madhava etc. seasonal > months or > > Uttarayana, Dakshinayana etc. phenomena with the same and if yo go by so > > called sayana rashis, your naksatra system is going to fall flat! > > > > > > > > And as you know, no predictive gimmick can survive without rashis, > whether > > the so called sayana (like yours!) or the so called nirayana (like > > Lahiriwalas, Ramanawalas and so on). > > > > > > > > The choice is, of course, yours, but please bear it in mind that my > > opposition is not to Mr. A. or Mr. B. but to clubbing predictive > gimmicks > > with calendar reform, since both of them can never go hand in hand! > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > > > PS for Shri P N Razdan! I request you once again to please stop running > > after " jyotishis " for predictive gimmicks since the more you do so, > the more > > confused you will get and the more the chances of your suffering from > > another heart attack will be there! Just go on reciting > Maha-mriyunajaya > > mantra for which you do not need any advice from any jyotishi nor > have you > > to wear a " piece of emerald on any of the finger " since even Ekamukhi > > rudrakhsa could not save Smti. Indira Gandhi or the Maharaja of > Nepal from > > being assassinated, so how can an " emerald " save you from another heart > > attack! If gems like emeralds were so powerful, no jeweler would ever > > suffer from any heart attack or from any other misery! > > > > AKK > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh > <darshaneylokesh@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Razdan ji, > > > > Namastey. In view of your request and my involvent > in the > > predictive > > > > astrology I am going to comment on your horoscope.Taking 4th June > 1939 at > > 21-41-53 Hrs at POB Kashmir as your birth details, I found you > Capricornian > > with Moon in Lagna, Mars in 2nd ,Jupiter and Saturn in 4th, Venus in > 5th, > > Sun and Mercury in 6th and Rahu in 11th house with 7 year 6 months > and 27 > > days of Moon dasha balance at birth.You got MERCURY Mahadasha > started w.e.f. > > 2nd Jan of this year. In calculating Shad Balas I found your Sun to Sat > > 8.04, 8.96,6.31,6.029(Mercury), 8.55, 7.38 and 5.52 Rupas respectively. > > Mercury is the only weak graha having .0887 comparative strength. It > is also > > quite notable that Isht phala of the same mercury is only 5.94. > > > > It is very clear that the 4th House, Sun and the > sign Leo, > > as the bases are basic needs for explaining heart and heart attacks. > Any of > > these bases under any of the severe separative effects indicates the > problem > > and dasha alongwith the transite effects indicate the time .Saturns' > joining > > or aspecting Sun alongwith Mercury or Mars or Moon is one of the > such severe > > separative effect. I have noted some of the causing combinations for > this > > problem. One of the combination is the joint influence, association or > > aspect of the Mars and Ketu, simultaneously, on the 'Peedit' Sun and > /or Leo > > and /or 4th house of the chart or say Kundali. Mercury is the graha of > > 'SnaAyu Tantra' . As your 'bhages' also it is in the least effectivity > > factor because of weakest SB strength and Isht phal. Dasha of THIS > 6th HOUSE > > PLACED GRAHA started just on Jan 07. In fact, you seem to be a Jupiter > > booned person but right from Nov 2006 you have been some what > neglected by > > the same Guru graham due to its weekest transite function. The 12th > placed > > Jup gets only 2 vindus in AV. > > > > Unfortunately, it has been the trend of astrologers' society that as a > > postmortem explaination every astrologer can prove every happening > on any > > horoscocpe but as a foreseen explaination either they are r dam > failure or > > often recorrecting their incorrect statements like politics > persons.We are > > very serious on this but as a first work in hand we have to do and we > > aredoing too for the corrections of panchangas festival dates. > > > > Debility of Saturn is cancelled and Jupiter has got a > meaningful > > hold on > > > > that Saturn by joining in the birth Kundali and disposing in the > Navamsha. > > On this I can assure you a good support from such a Saturn. Saturn > is the > > karka of longivity too. As a remedy you can certainly have a piece of > > emerald on any of the finger. > > > > > Thank you. > > Darshaney Lokesh > > > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > WAVES-Vedic , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Razdan Sahib, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > I was amused to see your following post in > > > > forum, admitting that you have lost all faith in the so called Vedic > > > > astrology since it had beeen unable to " foresee " your heart attack > > > > in your chart! > > > > Had these predictive gimmicks been really Vedic, you would not have > > > > been let dwon by " Vedic astrology " . > > > > Instead of running after jyotishis, I suggest you go on repeating > > > > Mahamrityunjaya Mantra daily at least 1008 times for getting > > > > amelioration and also waking up to the fraud known as " Vedic > > > > astrology " these days! > > > > Regards, > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > > , " pnrazdan " > > > > <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to > > > > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis > > > > > of ancient knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now > > > > > after > > > > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as > > > > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of > > > > > birth > > > > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India > > > > > 74E48,34N05) > > > > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun > > > > > the > > > > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no > > > > > bad > > > > > aspect to the fourth house. > > > > > > > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses > > > > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the > > > > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why > > > > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > > > > > > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a > > > > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological > > > > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on > > > > > predictive aspect of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on > > > > > the Vedas! > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Kaul, > > > > > Why are you hell bent on defaming Jyotisha? > > > > > Vedic Astrology is a part of rich Hindu tradtion and culture. The > > > > > nuances of VA have now been appreciated all the world over. There > > > > > are VA associations in UK, America and other western cities. New > > > > > software has been developed which has demystified the knowledge > > > > > greatly and a lot of research is taking place on the subject.If the > > > > > Congress and Leftists in India are not serious about the subject for > > > > > fear of displeasing the minorities, it does not mean its > > > > > irrelevance. Sanatan Dharam is not captive to any government nor to > > > > > any individual's whims. > > > > > Your posts are somewhat childish and an immature effort to prove VA > > > > > theories as fuzzy. It smells of some unfulfilled wish for fame even > > > > > through wrong reasons. > > > > > If you continue to do the same, I shall be constrained to mark your > > > > > posts as Spam. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > P.N.Razdan > > > > > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > --- In hinducivilization , " neelakandanaravindan " > > > > > <neelakandanaravindan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir Thank you very much, > > > > > In fact another friend of mine has posted your msg in a Tamil Hindu > > > > > forum where it is creating ripples. > > > > > i am happy we Hindus are so diverse and pluralist in our outlook > > > > > which > > > > > differentiates us from memetic clones of Abrahamic cults > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Dear Mr. Goel, It is interesting to learn that you associated with Mr. K.N. Rao for 15 years. I understood by Mr. Rao that his mother was a kind of Guru to him. She was excellent in Prashna and he once gave me a few Prashna-secrets that he actually got from her. I also got the impression that Mr. Rao learned his method of doing Bhrigu-transits (double-transits of Jupiter/Saturn) from his mother. You are most certainly right that we all learned something from the late Dr. B.V. Raman. I also got the impression that Mr. Rao had some differences of opinion with Dr. Raman. Back in early 1990 I actually met with Dr. B.V. Raman in person. I wrote an article for " Astrological Magazine " about that meeting. This article can be found on my website: http://www.wandahl.com :-) Finn Wandahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Dear Kiran ji, Finn ji is absolutely right! I checked the archieve and couldn't find any post in which he states as you claim to be! This makes me again start doubting your intentions - why you are misquoting a very knowledgeable and respectable scholar like Finn ji?! He does not have to get confuced and ask question to me or Kaul (and Kaul is not an astrologer at all!) to clarify his doubts on astrology, better he can clarify many of ours! Then Again, Why you are intentionally bringing the names of pople like KN Rao, BV Raman etc - and trying to club things with Kaul - as if you are maleciously intending to cause a riot using Kaul ji's and other's name as a tool? Again I feel like doubting your intentions. * I don't know who is the guru of Finn ji - that is not important. * You don't know who is the guru of me - defently it is neither KNRao nor BV Raman. * If You bought the books of BV Raman - good. If you bought the books of KN Rao ji - then too, good. If you bought books of some one else - that too, is good. By books written by anyone and try to learn - why you are troubling us by trying to judge who bought whose books, and who is whose guru?!! * I don't know KN Rao was the guru of BVRaman or BVRaman the Guru of KN Rao or some others were the guru of them both - it is irrelevent. But I know that both of them were good scholers. So again the doubt - why you are brining irrelevent/ignorant statements into the main stage?! I agree with Finn ji - ==> >>Pls. advise, I am very confused...<< <== It is pretty clear. The first step to start would be to - * Typing your mail seperatly at the top section of others mails, instend of inserting one or two lines in between others words, which misquoting that too! Note: Dear Goel ji, don't fall pray to this fishing thread of comparing the masters! It seems that some member is intentionally trying to cause confusion, and attract emotional arguments. Love, Sreenadh , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: > > Dear Kiran.rama, > > >>-- In , " Finn Wandahl " > <finn.wandahl@> wrote: Dear Kaulji/Sreenadhji,I bought all of BV > Raman's books to learn astrology - Now I am very worried after reading > this mail>> > > No, I never wrote anything like this. Please quote me right... > > >>I bought Raoji book and he says BV Raman is his guru..<< > > No, this is not correct. Dr. B.V. Raman is not the guru of Mr. K.N. Rao. > > >>Pls. advise, I am very confused...<< > > Yes, I can see that... :-) > > Very friendly, > Finn Wandahl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Dear Kiran.rama, >>WHich ayanamsa to use?<< The Lahiri-Ayanamsa is being used by the majority of the Hindu astrologers, and I would suggest you use this Ayanamsa until such a time when you become experienced enough to decide about this matter yourself. Then who knows, perhaps you will never change your mind. In my opinion the choice of Ayanamsa should be based on testing and verification by reliable astrological methods rather than fancy theories. But then again, only very few astrologers has access to really reliable astrological methods. I use Lahiri Ayanamsa myself, and I have already explained my reasons for this choise of Ayanamsa in an earlier message to Mr. Kaul. >>Is BV Raman a fraud?<< No, most certainly not! An astrologer does not become a fraud because he uses a different Ayanamsa. Many other astrologers like Mr. K.N. Rao use Lahiri Ayanamsa. This just means they have difference of opinion regarding the choise of Ayanamsa, nothing else. Both should be considered excellent Hindu astrologers each in his own way. >>Which books to buy?<< I would suggest the books by Dr. B.V. Raman and also those of Mr. K.N. Rao. " Predictive astrology af the Hindus " by G.K. Ojha is also a very good book. :-) Finn Wandahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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