My heart attack

October 10, 2007

Dear Razdan ji,

I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always use

and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The

Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss your

chart.

Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the

planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will give

a detailed response later).

You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well -

* Lagna = Sagittarius

* Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra

* Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn

* Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces

* Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus.

This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points

should be noted -

* In the above planetary position note that there is continuous

cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar dasa)

* Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per Moon

Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was

running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running.

Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju is

in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us

analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will do

(for sep. 2007).

* Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the Dasa

is ending. It is " Dasa Sandhi " Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that Ju

and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive for

the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad could

happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna lord.

* Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th,

Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is falling

in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is bad.

Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya Pooja

as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. Again

the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the

2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation -

did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!!

* Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the house

of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns one

of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck.

* But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why

should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart, i.e.

4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart? Hmm..

But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra

having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point of

time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory.

* Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is weak

or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of

time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root

connection is 4th house?

1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's

exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of Ve

being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign)

2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation

sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign)

Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note that -

Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart)

Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is 4th,

Pisces - can indicate heart)

Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart)

Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting

Vimsottari from Lagna) note that -

Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can indicate

heart)

Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is 4th,

Pisces - can indicate heart)

Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is placed

in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart)

But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of

Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's Navamsa

falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer

(heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a minute

hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this result,

and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its effect!

That is what happened.

But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation between

Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and clotting

of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good

longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will

continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding

longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you know,

by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming

March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon.

Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know

traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest assured

that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " pnrazdan "

<pnrazdan wrote:

>

> I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to

> participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the

basis

> of ancient knowledge.

>

> I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now

after

> angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event

as

> my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of

birth

> 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India

74E48,34N05)

> Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun

the

> Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no

bad

> aspect to the fourth house.

>

> I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses

> interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the

> ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to

why

> has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart.

>

> Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a

> sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological

> predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on

> predictive aspect of Jyotish.

>

October 10, 2007

Hi,

Following some bitter experience I was having from some unscrupluous elements in this list , I have decided to remain silent and will reply only if I feel the querist is genuine .I saw your message and also Sreenadh's reply .

Sreenadh , a second back ,told me over telephone, yours is a genuine case So here follows my reply and deductions are based on Lahiri's ayanama

The potential for Heart related disease, in your chart

Factors to be considered ---The 4H, 4L , Sun (Karaka for Heart) , sign Aquarius (synonymn in "Aaadhi Hora" or Skanda Hora is "Hrid Rogi " or diseased Heart")

Your ACL is weak

Though Ju, your ACL is prima facie causing a Hamsa Maha Yoga , it is weak .

--It is in the 4H of Heart and obtains "Ashtamamsa" , that means the planet begets the 8th Rasi as Navamsa, from the Rasi in which it is posited.. J, your ACL is in Li, its inimical navamsa.

Be careful ,charlatans may conclude your Ju to be in "Nidhana amsa" forgetting the fundamental difference between "Nidhana and Ashatamsa" . When a planet is in "Ashtamsa" it impairs some signification of the House occupied by it. We know 4H interalia stands for Heart among many significations .Moreover, this malfeasance is intensified since Ju begets amsa in the sign tenanted by Rahu.

--A careful perusal will confirm that Sun, the karaka for Heart is located in Trika House Six of disease identical with its inimical sign Taurus.

---Me, the badha Lord (obstruction) is applying to a 4 * conjunction with Sun, the Karaka for Heart in 6H of disease .

To cap it , the 4H signification of Heart is weak in the basic chart and requires only a direction plus a Transit , to manifest the problems related to Heart

Saturn, the Maha Dasha cum Sub period ruler

---Saturn has its amsa in 6H (reckoned from Ac) of disease , where Sun , the karaka for Heart is placed in the basic chart. Pls note the subtle link between the Maha Dasha cum sub period ruler Saturn with Sun representing Heart , in 6H of disease.

--Saturn squares Mars , the L12 of bedridden status .

--Saturn is "Vadha Tara"

--Saturn itself is the Bhava Karaka of H6 of disease and is empowered to bring disease in its Dasha

Transit

I am not touching the topic of Transit that triggered of the unfortunate incident since you are not interested in it.

Hope I haven't hurt you through my analysis and presume you will find the strict conventional explanation given by me , useful.

God Bless You

Best

M Nair

..

, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote:>> I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to> participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the basis> of ancient knowledge. > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now after> angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this event as> my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of birth> 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India 74E48,34N05)> Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and Sun the> Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is no bad> aspect to the fourth house.> > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses> interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of the> ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to why> has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart. > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a> sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological> predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on> predictive aspect of Jyotish.>

October 11, 2007

Dear Razdan ji,

I made a small mistake in my previous post (since I was doing it

from memory and was in office - in my office pc astrolgy softwares

are not installed). The Vimsottari dasa from moon running at the time

of the event was Ju-Ra-Ve and not Ju-Ra-Su. But the same too explains

the event (as discussed in the previous mail), all the other things

remains the same.

You can check the Antar dasa periods etc I mentioned in JHora,

using True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari; It is just 46 min more than

Chitrapaksaha (Lahari) Ayanamsa.

Note: I would like to know your response about the 'explanation'; Do

you agree with it or not? Is it satisfactory enough? What do you

feel? As you know well, such discussion are just part of our (both

you and me) effort to understand ancient Indian astrology better –

than to shed light on past or future.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Razdan ji,

> I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always

use

> and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The

> Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss

your

> chart.

> Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the

> planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will

give

> a detailed response later).

> You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well -

> * Lagna = Sagittarius

> * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra

> * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn

> * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces

> * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus.

>

> This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points

> should be noted -

> * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous

> cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar

dasa)

> * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per

Moon

> Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was

> running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running.

>

> Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju

is

> in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us

> analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will do

> (for sep. 2007).

>

> * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the

Dasa

> is ending. It is " Dasa Sandhi " Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that Ju

> and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive

for

> the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad

could

> happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna lord.

> * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th,

> Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is

falling

> in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is

bad.

> Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya Pooja

> as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. Again

> the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the

> 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation -

> did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!!

> * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the

house

> of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns

one

> of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck.

> * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why

> should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart,

i.e.

> 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart?

Hmm..

> But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra

> having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point of

> time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory.

> * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is

weak

> or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of

> time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root

> connection is 4th house?

> 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's

> exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of

Ve

> being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign)

> 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation

> sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign)

>

> Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note

that -

> Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart)

> Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is

4th,

> Pisces - can indicate heart)

> Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart)

>

> Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting

> Vimsottari from Lagna) note that -

> Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can indicate

> heart)

> Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is

4th,

> Pisces - can indicate heart)

> Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is

placed

> in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart)

>

> But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of

> Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's

Navamsa

> falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer

> (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a minute

> hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this result,

> and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its

effect!

> That is what happened.

> But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation

between

> Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and clotting

> of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good

> longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will

> continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding

> longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you know,

> by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming

> March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon.

> Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know

> traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest

assured

> that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " pnrazdan "

> <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> >

> > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to

> > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the

> basis

> > of ancient knowledge.

> >

> > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now

> after

> > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this

event

> as

> > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of

> birth

> > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India

> 74E48,34N05)

> > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and

Sun

> the

> > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is

no

> bad

> > aspect to the fourth house.

> >

> > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses

> > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of

the

> > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to

> why

> > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart.

> >

> > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a

> > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological

> > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on

> > predictive aspect of Jyotish.

> >

>

October 11, 2007

Dear Sreenadh,

I appreciate your desire to see my chart from all angles. I thank you

profusely for this effort.

Like others, you have also taken yet another way to explain this event

i.e through a new Ayanmasha. While there are several who praise

Chandra Hari's AM as it relates spirituality to jyotish, we have the

practice of following the Lahiri AM in our daily work. Still I did try

to see how this AM fits into my chart for other events. Sadly the

results were not helpful. For example I married my son in Nov. 2001

and the dasa it depicts at that time is Ju-Ve-Sat. Both Venus and

Saturn would not be helpful in this good event. Again I got my

promotion in office in Nov 1996 and the dasa it depicts is Ju-Sat-Jup.

A debilitated Sat would never have allowed this to happen.And if we

take Lahiri AM into consideration, the dasas were Jup-Sun-Rah and

Jup-Mer-Mars respectively, which nicely corroborate the two events.

Even if we take your argument of Jup-Ra-Ve leading to the problem,

this combination with a strong Jup would not have allowed this

calamity to happen. You try to explain this by the Dasa Sandhi but I

donot to the view that Jup dasa sandhi would take this

benefic planet to this low level. Besides Sun the Karaka for heart has

been my greatest asset in life. As you would have marked above it has

given me nice things in its AD and therefore I to the theory

that Sun is best in an Upchaya house and not functionally malefic in

my chart.

Out of the many responses one that has struck me as the simplest and

conventional interpretation is the linkage of Jupiter with Uttarbhadra

planet that is lorded by Saturn. This is something I propose to study

in the days to come and see if Jupiter in this nakshatra was supposed

to succumb to Saturnian influence in its dasa period. But there is a

catch here too. Covnentionally again Sat in its own AD would not have

brought its malefic influence into play.

Sorry for the long mail.

Regards,

P.N.Razdan

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Razdan ji,

> I made a small mistake in my previous post (since I was doing it

> from memory and was in office - in my office pc astrolgy softwares

> are not installed). The Vimsottari dasa from moon running at the time

> of the event was Ju-Ra-Ve and not Ju-Ra-Su. But the same too explains

> the event (as discussed in the previous mail), all the other things

> remains the same.

> You can check the Antar dasa periods etc I mentioned in JHora,

> using True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari; It is just 46 min more than

> Chitrapaksaha (Lahari) Ayanamsa.

>

> Note: I would like to know your response about the 'explanation'; Do

> you agree with it or not? Is it satisfactory enough? What do you

> feel? As you know well, such discussion are just part of our (both

> you and me) effort to understand ancient Indian astrology better ï¿½

> than to shed light on past or future.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Razdan ji,

> > I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always

> use

> > and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The

> > Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss

> your

> > chart.

> > Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the

> > planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will

> give

> > a detailed response later).

> > You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well -

> > * Lagna = Sagittarius

> > * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra

> > * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn

> > * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces

> > * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus.

> >

> > This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points

> > should be noted -

> > * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous

> > cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar

> dasa)

> > * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per

> Moon

> > Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was

> > running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running.

> >

> > Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju

> is

> > in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us

> > analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will do

> > (for sep. 2007).

> >

> > * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the

> Dasa

> > is ending. It is " Dasa Sandhi " Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that Ju

> > and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive

> for

> > the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad

> could

> > happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna lord.

> > * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th,

> > Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is

> falling

> > in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is

> bad.

> > Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya Pooja

> > as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. Again

> > the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the

> > 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation -

> > did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!!

> > * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the

> house

> > of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns

> one

> > of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck.

> > * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why

> > should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart,

> i.e.

> > 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart?

> Hmm..

> > But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra

> > having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point of

> > time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory.

> > * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is

> weak

> > or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of

> > time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root

> > connection is 4th house?

> > 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's

> > exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of

> Ve

> > being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign)

> > 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation

> > sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign)

> >

> > Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note

> that -

> > Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart)

> > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is

> 4th,

> > Pisces - can indicate heart)

> > Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart)

> >

> > Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting

> > Vimsottari from Lagna) note that -

> > Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can indicate

> > heart)

> > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is

> 4th,

> > Pisces - can indicate heart)

> > Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is

> placed

> > in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart)

> >

> > But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of

> > Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's

> Navamsa

> > falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer

> > (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a minute

> > hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this result,

> > and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its

> effect!

> > That is what happened.

> > But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation

> between

> > Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and clotting

> > of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good

> > longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will

> > continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding

> > longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you know,

> > by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming

> > March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon.

> > Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know

> > traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest

> assured

> > that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " pnrazdan "

> > <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to

> > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the

> > basis

> > > of ancient knowledge.

> > >

> > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now

> > after

> > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this

> event

> > as

> > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of

> > birth

> > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India

> > 74E48,34N05)

> > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and

> Sun

> > the

> > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is

> no

> > bad

> > > aspect to the fourth house.

> > >

> > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses

> > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of

> the

> > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to

> > why

> > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart.

> > >

> > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a

> > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological

> > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on

> > > predictive aspect of Jyotish.

> > >

> >

>

October 11, 2007

Dear Razdan ji,

==>

> you have also taken yet another way to explain this event

> i.e through a new Ayanmasha.

<==

No, it is NOT a new Ayanamsa - it is the Ayanamsa present in Surya

Sidhanta; and it is the Ayanamsa I ALWAYS use.

==>

> While there are several who praise Chandra Hari's AM as it relates

> spirituality to jyotish, we have the practice of following the

> Lahiri AM in our daily work.

<==

Even though there are many people who appreciate Chitrapaksha

Ayanamsa, I am yet to find any authentic reference in astrological

classics that supports the argument that 'Starting point of Mesha is

180 degree away from the Star Chitra' - So I am not part of that

school of thought, after I came to know that True Ayanamsa is of

Surya Sidhanta, and that it has good theoretical and logical

foundation. Since I am after 'ancient indian astrology', i can not but

only accept the True Ayanamsa suggested by Surya Sidhanta with such a

good logical foundation; I have experienced that it matches with

actual experience as well.

As of the points and incidents mentioned in your mail, I will try to

give an explanation in another mail in detail, as the time permits.

I appreciate your sincere efforts to understand the clear and direct

astrological indications behind the actual incidents experienced in

life. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, experience and valuable

observations.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " pnrazdan "

<pnrazdan wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

> I appreciate your desire to see my chart from all angles. I thank you

> profusely for this effort.

> Like others, you have also taken yet another way to explain this event

> i.e through a new Ayanmasha. While there are several who praise

> Chandra Hari's AM as it relates spirituality to jyotish, we have the

> practice of following the Lahiri AM in our daily work. Still I did try

> to see how this AM fits into my chart for other events. Sadly the

> results were not helpful. For example I married my son in Nov. 2001

> and the dasa it depicts at that time is Ju-Ve-Sat. Both Venus and

> Saturn would not be helpful in this good event. Again I got my

> promotion in office in Nov 1996 and the dasa it depicts is Ju-Sat-Jup.

> A debilitated Sat would never have allowed this to happen.And if we

> take Lahiri AM into consideration, the dasas were Jup-Sun-Rah and

> Jup-Mer-Mars respectively, which nicely corroborate the two events.

>

> Even if we take your argument of Jup-Ra-Ve leading to the problem,

> this combination with a strong Jup would not have allowed this

> calamity to happen. You try to explain this by the Dasa Sandhi but I

> donot to the view that Jup dasa sandhi would take this

> benefic planet to this low level. Besides Sun the Karaka for heart has

> been my greatest asset in life. As you would have marked above it has

> given me nice things in its AD and therefore I to the theory

> that Sun is best in an Upchaya house and not functionally malefic in

> my chart.

> Out of the many responses one that has struck me as the simplest and

> conventional interpretation is the linkage of Jupiter with Uttarbhadra

> planet that is lorded by Saturn. This is something I propose to study

> in the days to come and see if Jupiter in this nakshatra was supposed

> to succumb to Saturnian influence in its dasa period. But there is a

> catch here too. Covnentionally again Sat in its own AD would not have

> brought its malefic influence into play.

> Sorry for the long mail.

> Regards,

> P.N.Razdan

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Razdan ji,

> > I made a small mistake in my previous post (since I was doing it

> > from memory and was in office - in my office pc astrolgy softwares

> > are not installed). The Vimsottari dasa from moon running at the time

> > of the event was Ju-Ra-Ve and not Ju-Ra-Su. But the same too explains

> > the event (as discussed in the previous mail), all the other things

> > remains the same.

> > You can check the Antar dasa periods etc I mentioned in JHora,

> > using True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari; It is just 46 min more than

> > Chitrapaksaha (Lahari) Ayanamsa.

> >

> > Note: I would like to know your response about the 'explanation'; Do

> > you agree with it or not? Is it satisfactory enough? What do you

> > feel? As you know well, such discussion are just part of our (both

> > you and me) effort to understand ancient Indian astrology better ï¿½

> > than to shed light on past or future.

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Razdan ji,

> > > I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always

> > use

> > > and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The

> > > Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss

> > your

> > > chart.

> > > Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the

> > > planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will

> > give

> > > a detailed response later).

> > > You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well -

> > > * Lagna = Sagittarius

> > > * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra

> > > * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn

> > > * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces

> > > * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus.

> > >

> > > This is the planetary position - I remember. The following points

> > > should be noted -

> > > * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous

> > > cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar

> > dasa)

> > > * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per

> > Moon

> > > Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was

> > > running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running.

> > >

> > > Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen - when Ju

> > is

> > > in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us

> > > analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer will do

> > > (for sep. 2007).

> > >

> > > * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the

> > Dasa

> > > is ending. It is " Dasa Sandhi " Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note that Ju

> > > and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive

> > for

> > > the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad

> > could

> > > happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna lord.

> > > * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in 5th,

> > > Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is

> > falling

> > > in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is

> > bad.

> > > Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya Pooja

> > > as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens. Again

> > > the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is the

> > > 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in debilitation -

> > > did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!!

> > > * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the

> > house

> > > of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns

> > one

> > > of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck.

> > > * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why

> > > should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart,

> > i.e.

> > > 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart?

> > Hmm..

> > > But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra

> > > having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this point of

> > > time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory.

> > > * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is

> > weak

> > > or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some point of

> > > time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root

> > > connection is 4th house?

> > > 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's

> > > exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of

> > Ve

> > > being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign)

> > > 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation

> > > sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign)

> > >

> > > Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note

> > that -

> > > Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart)

> > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is

> > 4th,

> > > Pisces - can indicate heart)

> > > Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart)

> > >

> > > Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting

> > > Vimsottari from Lagna) note that -

> > > Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can indicate

> > > heart)

> > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is

> > 4th,

> > > Pisces - can indicate heart)

> > > Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is

> > placed

> > > in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart)

> > >

> > > But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of

> > > Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's

> > Navamsa

> > > falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in Cancer

> > > (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a minute

> > > hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this result,

> > > and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its

> > effect!

> > > That is what happened.

> > > But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation

> > between

> > > Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and clotting

> > > of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have good

> > > longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will

> > > continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding

> > > longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you know,

> > > by now that you have to take more care regarding health for coming

> > > March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from Moon.

> > > Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know

> > > traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest

> > assured

> > > that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " pnrazdan "

> > > <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to

> > > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the

> > > basis

> > > > of ancient knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well now

> > > after

> > > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this

> > event

> > > as

> > > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment. (Date of

> > > birth

> > > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India

> > > 74E48,34N05)

> > > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and

> > Sun

> > > the

> > > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is

> > no

> > > bad

> > > > aspect to the fourth house.

> > > >

> > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen responses

> > > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of

> > the

> > > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query as to

> > > why

> > > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart.

> > > >

> > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a

> > > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological

> > > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on

> > > > predictive aspect of Jyotish.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 12, 2007

Dear Razdan ji,

==>

As you have marked above it (Sun) has given me nice things in its AD

and therefore I to the theory that Sun is best in an

Upachaya house and not functionally malefic in my chart.

<==

Razadan ji, first things first-

• No planet can be termed benefic or malefic; no houses can be termed

benefic or malefic. Even a planet in its best position can signify

many bad results and even a planet is its worst position can signify

many good results. The same is true for houses as well. In our daily

life no day is fully benefic (good) no day is fully malefic (bad), No

dasa or Antara is fully benefic or fully malefic; No man is fully good

or fully bad. The same applies to the planets and houses as well. 6th

house is bad as it signify disease, good as it signify service. Saturn

is bad it signify sadness, but good as it can signify a sage as well

as occupation. It this is so in our daily life, how can it be

otherwise in astrology, which tries describe the influence of time in

our daily life? Thus essentially it terns out that, terming a dasa or

antara as good or bad, or thinking that a planet in some position will

give only good effects or only bad effects is a wrong conclusion.

Now let us look at your chart and the events –

• Marriage of Son – in Nov 2001

As per True Ayanamsa Ju-Ve-Sa. Jupiter is the natural significator of

children. Ve and Sa are placed in 5th house (children) from Lagna and

aspects 7th house (marriage) from 5th, which is the labha satana (11th

house). If the planet placed in 5th and aspecting 11th can't give

marriage to children who can?!! Venus is aspecting its own house,

strengthening 11th, the son's house of marriage. This house (Libra,

7th from 5th) is the exaltation sign of Saturn as well. Also note that

Venus navamsa is in 8th (life after marriage) from 5th and Saturn's

navamsa is in 2nd (home) from 5th. How can you think that such a

combination will not give marriage to son? Also note that being the

lord of 2nd house from your Lagna, and being a debilitated planet with

navamsa in 6th from your natal lagna, the same combination, amply

signifies the lavish expenses you have made related to the marriage

ceremonies. Note that even the navamsa of Ju is in 7th (marriage) from

5th house. So I would conclude that the combination amply indicates

the possibility of your son's marriage at this period.

What will you tell if I derive the result that, you might have even

purchased a new vehicle in Ju-Ve for you or for you son? Are they

(Ju-Ve) not in a better way denote the gain of wealth, happiness from

children, improvements in conveyance (modification of vehicle),

company and friendship with learned men in society, giving assistance

to kinsmen etc happened during this period?

• Promotion – in Nov 2006

As per True Ayanamsa – Ju-Sa-Ju. Jupiter is in its own house in 4th

(position) and aspects 10th (job). Saturn is the significator of 10th

house (job), and is placed in a benefic house (2nd) from Dasa lord

Jupiter. Note that Saturn's navamsa is in 6th (service) from natal

lagna. If not this what can indicate a promotion, in job especially

with a navamsa of Ju in 11th (labha)?!! Of course Sa is in

debilitation, and what is the result? The promotion was never gave

good monetary benefits as you expected! Actually this is true for your

whole life – you never got promotions in time as expected and even

when you got it, they never gave benefits that matched your

expectations. If you agree to this – why do you believe that Ju-Sa-Ju

can't give a promotion?

Don't you see that - Parasaraa tells us, attainment of high position

in government (or in any other big institution) is a result of

Saturn's Antara in Jupiter Dasa? Don't you think that availability of

various conveyance (due to job or position), possibly journey other

places (to the west?), gain of land etc happened during this period

could be the result of this combination? Definitely Ju-Sa can indicate

acquisition of riches and property, and betterment (promotion) in job,

as per Parasara.

If you agree at least to the majority of above statements, why do you

think that the above dasa, and corresponding antara could not give

such results and that the Dasa and Antara indicated by True Ayanamsa

could be wrong? Is there not a better chance that, they indicate those

events in a better way?

Note: I have intentionally depended on Parasara School for Dasa-Antara

results, since possibly you depend more on the teachings of that

astrological school of thought.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Razdan ji,

> ==>

> > you have also taken yet another way to explain this event

> > i.e through a new Ayanmasha.

> <==

> No, it is NOT a new Ayanamsa - it is the Ayanamsa present in Surya

> Sidhanta; and it is the Ayanamsa I ALWAYS use.

> ==>

> > While there are several who praise Chandra Hari's AM as it relates

> > spirituality to jyotish, we have the practice of following the

> > Lahiri AM in our daily work.

> <==

> Even though there are many people who appreciate Chitrapaksha

> Ayanamsa, I am yet to find any authentic reference in astrological

> classics that supports the argument that 'Starting point of Mesha is

> 180 degree away from the Star Chitra' - So I am not part of that

> school of thought, after I came to know that True Ayanamsa is of

> Surya Sidhanta, and that it has good theoretical and logical

> foundation. Since I am after 'ancient indian astrology', i can not but

> only accept the True Ayanamsa suggested by Surya Sidhanta with such a

> good logical foundation; I have experienced that it matches with

> actual experience as well.

> As of the points and incidents mentioned in your mail, I will try to

> give an explanation in another mail in detail, as the time permits.

> I appreciate your sincere efforts to understand the clear and direct

> astrological indications behind the actual incidents experienced in

> life. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, experience and valuable

> observations.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " pnrazdan "

> <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> > I appreciate your desire to see my chart from all angles. I thank you

> > profusely for this effort.

> > Like others, you have also taken yet another way to explain this event

> > i.e through a new Ayanmasha. While there are several who praise

> > Chandra Hari's AM as it relates spirituality to jyotish, we have the

> > practice of following the Lahiri AM in our daily work. Still I did try

> > to see how this AM fits into my chart for other events. Sadly the

> > results were not helpful. For example I married my son in Nov. 2001

> > and the dasa it depicts at that time is Ju-Ve-Sat. Both Venus and

> > Saturn would not be helpful in this good event. Again I got my

> > promotion in office in Nov 1996 and the dasa it depicts is Ju-Sat-Jup.

> > A debilitated Sat would never have allowed this to happen.And if we

> > take Lahiri AM into consideration, the dasas were Jup-Sun-Rah and

> > Jup-Mer-Mars respectively, which nicely corroborate the two events.

> >

> > Even if we take your argument of Jup-Ra-Ve leading to the problem,

> > this combination with a strong Jup would not have allowed this

> > calamity to happen. You try to explain this by the Dasa Sandhi but I

> > donot to the view that Jup dasa sandhi would take this

> > benefic planet to this low level. Besides Sun the Karaka for heart has

> > been my greatest asset in life. As you would have marked above it has

> > given me nice things in its AD and therefore I to the theory

> > that Sun is best in an Upchaya house and not functionally malefic in

> > my chart.

> > Out of the many responses one that has struck me as the simplest and

> > conventional interpretation is the linkage of Jupiter with Uttarbhadra

> > planet that is lorded by Saturn. This is something I propose to study

> > in the days to come and see if Jupiter in this nakshatra was supposed

> > to succumb to Saturnian influence in its dasa period. But there is a

> > catch here too. Covnentionally again Sat in its own AD would not have

> > brought its malefic influence into play.

> > Sorry for the long mail.

> > Regards,

> > P.N.Razdan

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Razdan ji,

> > > I made a small mistake in my previous post (since I was doing it

> > > from memory and was in office - in my office pc astrolgy softwares

> > > are not installed). The Vimsottari dasa from moon running at the

time

> > > of the event was Ju-Ra-Ve and not Ju-Ra-Su. But the same too

explains

> > > the event (as discussed in the previous mail), all the other things

> > > remains the same.

> > > You can check the Antar dasa periods etc I mentioned in JHora,

> > > using True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari; It is just 46 min more than

> > > Chitrapaksaha (Lahari) Ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > Note: I would like to know your response about the

'explanation'; Do

> > > you agree with it or not? Is it satisfactory enough? What do you

> > > feel? As you know well, such discussion are just part of our (both

> > > you and me) effort to understand ancient Indian astrology better

ï¿½

> > > than to shed light on past or future.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Razdan ji,

> > > > I am using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (That is what I always

> > > use

> > > > and trust), which is the Ayanamsa proposed by Surya Sidhanta. The

> > > > Year length used is 365.2425. Based on the above we will discuss

> > > your

> > > > chart.

> > > > Actually I have seen your chart, before itself and half of the

> > > > planetary position is there in mind (Now I am in office - I will

> > > give

> > > > a detailed response later).

> > > > You had the heart Attack in Ju=>Ra=>Su. Why? As you know well -

> > > > * Lagna = Sagittarius

> > > > * Ju in Pisces (in 4th) in own house, with Ju navamsa in Libra

> > > > * Ra in Libra (in 11th), with Ra navamsa in Capricorn

> > > > * Ma in Capricorn (in 2nd), with Ma navamsa in Pisces

> > > > * Sun and Me in 6th in Taurus.

> > > >

> > > > This is the planetary position - I remember. The following

points

> > > > should be noted -

> > > > * In the above planetary position note that there is continuous

> > > > cyclic relation between 3 planets Ju-Ra-Ma (Note down this antar

> > > dasa)

> > > > * Su and Me are in the house of disease, i.e. 6th house. As per

> > > Moon

> > > > Longitude at the time of heart attach), the dasa Ju-Ra-Su was

> > > > running; As per Lagna longitude, the dasa Ju-Ra-Me was running.

> > > >

> > > > Now to the question - why the heart attack should happen -

when Ju

> > > is

> > > > in 4th in its own house?!!! OK - that is the major doubt. Let us

> > > > analysis this chart in th simple way as a simple astrologer

will do

> > > > (for sep. 2007).

> > > >

> > > > * Ju das is running was running - gave good results, but now the

> > > Dasa

> > > > is ending. It is " Dasa Sandhi " Ju Dasa, Ra Antar Dasa. Note

that Ju

> > > > and Ra are in 6-8 axis to each other, a placement never positive

> > > for

> > > > the Dasa Antar Dasa lords to give good results. Some thing bad

> > > could

> > > > happen, especially related to health/body because Ju is Lagna

lord.

> > > > * Ra is in 11th, aspected by malefic debilitated Sa (Sa is in

5th,

> > > > Aries) - but still being in 11th it is ok. But Ra Navamsa is

> > > falling

> > > > in 2nd house in that debilitated Saturn's sign itself - this is

> > > bad.

> > > > Parasara tells us that if Ra is in 2nd house, do a Mritunjaya

Pooja

> > > > as soon as possible - if the same dasa or Antar Dasa happens.

Again

> > > > the feeling - something bad should happen is emphasized. Sa is

the

> > > > 2nd (maraka stana) and 3rd (longevity)lord, weak in

debilitation -

> > > > did this Ra find only the navamsa of that Sa to sit?!!

> > > > * Su is the natural significator of heart, and is placed in the

> > > house

> > > > of disease, i.e. 6th house along with another Maraka Me. Su owns

> > > one

> > > > of the body triangles (1-5-9), i.e. 9th. And the event struck.

> > > > * But why heart?! Su is a significator of a thousand things - why

> > > > should be heart at all? In the chart the house indicating heart,

> > > i.e.

> > > > 4th house is very strong with Ju in own house - then why heart?

> > > Hmm..

> > > > But not that with Ju dasa ending (4th, heart, came into play), Ra

> > > > having strong hold Ju can not be considered strong at this

point of

> > > > time. But this explanation does not seems to be satisfactory.

> > > > * Is there any indication in the chart that 4th house (heart) is

> > > weak

> > > > or that some trouble related to heart will happen at some

point of

> > > > time? The straight question is what are the planets with a root

> > > > connection is 4th house?

> > > > 1) From Lagna (Pisces) = Me (Me's debilitation sign), Ve (Ve's

> > > > exaltation sign - Note that Ra is supposed to give the results of

> > > Ve

> > > > being placed in Libra), Ju (Ju's own sign)

> > > > 2) From Aries (Cancer, Kalapurusha Chart)= Ma (Ma's debilitation

> > > > sign), Ju (Ju's exaltation sign), Mo (Mo's own sign)

> > > >

> > > > Taking the 1st condition, (starting Vimsottari from Moon) note

> > > that -

> > > > Dasa = Ju (4th own sign - can indicate heart)

> > > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is

> > > 4th,

> > > > Pisces - can indicate heart)

> > > > Paryantara = Su (Natural significator of heart)

> > > >

> > > > Taking the 2st condition, (considering Kalapurusha and starting

> > > > Vimsottari from Lagna) note that -

> > > > Dasa = Ju (has an exaltation is 4th of Kalapuruasha - can

indicate

> > > > heart)

> > > > Antara = Ra (placed in the sign of Ve, Ve's exaltation sign is

> > > 4th,

> > > > Pisces - can indicate heart)

> > > > Paryantara = Me (Me's debilitation sign is 4th, Pisces; Me is

> > > placed

> > > > in 6th, i.e. house of disease - can indicate heart)

> > > >

> > > > But where is Ma? Ma's debilitation sign is Cancer (heart of

> > > > Kalapurusha); Ma aspects 4th of Kalapurusha - heart; and Ma's

> > > Navamsa

> > > > falls in Pisces (4th from lagna) - heart!! Ke navamsa is in

Cancer

> > > > (heart of Kalapurusha). Result derivation - possibility of a

minute

> > > > hole in heart. Ok! Ra (counter part of Ke) should give this

result,

> > > > and that means in Ju-Ra-Su is proper time for it to show its

> > > effect!

> > > > That is what happened.

> > > > But what about Ma? We noted that there is a cyclic relation

> > > between

> > > > Ju-Ra-Ma. That is not a good time. Ma signifies, blood and

clotting

> > > > of blood, and possibly a second problem due to that. You have

good

> > > > longevity and it is not going to be harmful enough, and life will

> > > > continue....I am not trying to make any prediction regarding

> > > > longevity - but know that there is a long time ahead. But you

know,

> > > > by now that you have to take more care regarding health for

coming

> > > > March/April 2008. It is Ju-Ra-Ma as per Vimsottari Dasa from

Moon.

> > > > Now Transit - That we will consider in next mail. I know

> > > > traditional astrology only - and nothing else. So please rest

> > > assured

> > > > that this analysis is based on traditional astrology only.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " pnrazdan "

> > > > <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I joined this group to-day in the hope that I shall be able to

> > > > > participate in the discussions on Vedic Astrology purely on the

> > > > basis

> > > > > of ancient knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st. of Sept. 2007 but am doing well

now

> > > > after

> > > > > angioplasty. I would like the members to throw light on this

> > > event

> > > > as

> > > > > my birth chart does not support any such heart ailment.

(Date of

> > > > birth

> > > > > 4th June 1939, Time 21:41:53 Place Srinagar Kashmir India

> > > > 74E48,34N05)

> > > > > Fourth house the Kalpurusha defining heart is very strong, and

> > > Sun

> > > > the

> > > > > Karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart. There is

> > > no

> > > > bad

> > > > > aspect to the fourth house.

> > > > >

> > > > > I put this question on a popular VA website but a dozen

responses

> > > > > interpreted the event each in their own way making a mockery of

> > > the

> > > > > ancient astrology. I would like a simple answer to my query

as to

> > > > why

> > > > > has this basic conventional knowledge failed in my chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please make no predictions on my age and longevity which is a

> > > > > sensitive matter for me this time. Even otherwise astrological

> > > > > predictions are never correct and I have already lost faith on

> > > > > predictive aspect of Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 12, 2007

Dear Mr Nair,

Thanks for your post.

While I too am hesitant to accept this as an explanation and propose

to study it further, I am constrained to consider this possibility

since there is no other explanation that is forthcoming based on the

conventional Parasari knowledge.

I have also a lurking doubt that we modern readers of Jyotish are

making very little use of Nakshatras than our predecessors used to make.

Regards,

P.N.Razdan

, " Balagurusurya "

<balagurusurya wrote:

>

> Razdan,

>

> Ref-Your posting in tlist msg No -3425

>

> You say placement of Ju in the star of U. Bhadrapadha lorded by Saturn

>

> Your conjecure this is a conventional explanation for the cause of

> Heart attack, is off the fact .

>

> The misconceived Planetary lordships , that is , equating Vimsottari

> Dasha lords as Nakshatradhipathis (???) is of recent origin , to be

> precise , during the turn of last century ; made popular by

> Gopalakrishna Rao through his " Meena's Nadi " that later became the

> genesis of KP , KB etc etc

>

> There is absolutely No evidence to prove that ancients Masters were

> using planetary lordships to give prediction. Sreenadh says in " Prasna

> Marga " a sloka is there , that could be streched to support planetary

> lordships.I have to disagree because if that is the case , in kerala

> ,from where PM orginated , except a countable few who follows KP no

> traditional astrologers well versed in PM , uses planetary lordship to

> give prediction.

>

> The point is if you give credence to stellar lordship ,then it won't be

> in fitness of things to call it , a conventional explanation.

>

> Best

>

> M Nair