Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Dear All, Here is the intial info to start a worthy discussion on Lagna lord in 12th house. [There was some errors in the previous post - so please ignore the same.] ============================================== Lagna lord in 12th House --------- If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will have all the bodily pleasures (such as pleasure from women, sex, sleep etc). He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery etc, will do immoral acts such as theft, will indulge in sexual acts with other's wives and so on. He will waste money without benefit and would be an angry individual, if not conjunct with or aspected by benefics. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures He would be very efficient in the subject he learned; would be very efficient in argumentation, very intelligent and will love his own community. He will go abroad and may live abroad. He will earn as well as donate - and live by depending on the earnings of others to certain extend. If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will have all the bodily pleasures (such as pleasure from women, sex, sleep etc). He will waste money without benefit and would be an angry individual, if not conjunct with or aspected by benefics. - Parasara Hora 12th house signify the bodily pleasures - such as sex, sleep etc. Thus it is natural to say that if lagna lord is in 12th all these things will improve and that the native will enjoy them. 12th signifies expenditure as well and is a shadow occult house (one among 6-8-12) were darkness (lack of consciousness) prevails - thus naturally wasting of money without benefit is derived. But why anger? Ofcourse loss causes anger to rise - would it be the reason? Could be. But there are other reasons as well. 12th signifies ego and sadness - both of which fuels the anger. Considering the Kalapurusha chart, i.e. Aries as Lagna, Mars is the lagna lord and in 12th it gets placed in the house of destruction (Pralaya Rasi) Pisces, which the proud Jupiter rules - anger and destruction combined with power is the natural effect of this combination. The same applies to lagna lord in 12th. It is the house of destruction now with the Mars like (or sun like, since sun is the significator of lagna) lagna lord placed in it. Naturally a fiery planet in such a fierce house causes the anger to rise - and then destruction and lose are just natural consequences. Note that 12th house signifies sadness, lose, deterioration, poverty, sin, immoral sex, expense, bondage, imprisonment etc. Ofcourse a moment of anger, and action without consciousness can lead to the worst results. But if conjunct with or aspected by benefics this result should not be derived. Why? Because 12th is a unique house which will change its nature drastically if aspected by benefics. Note that 12th is the house signifying liberation as well. Liberation means the end of all darkness - merging into pure consciousness. In Kalapurusha chart, the same would be represented by Ma in Pieces (owned by Ju). Ma is the significator of detachment (Satwa guna) and Jupiter of consciousness (Pranjha). This sign (Pieces) and house (12th) itself signify liberation (Mukti) and on beneficial conjunct or aspect, the same is going to bestow the best possible results suddenly reversing its nature, as indicated by 2 fishes in opposing direction. Pisces signifies the merging of opposites, the end of all conflicts. In the native's horoscope similar situation is signified by lagna lord in 12th house. Here too if 12th house is conjunct with or aspected by benefics - the same will happen, i.e. reversing of its original nature. Then the sign bestows all good results - because the merging of opposite results - and even the bad results stops to be bad anymore - bestowing detached peacefulness and happiness - Sex may become tantric sex and lose may give way to renouncing. Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted below. If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery etc, will do immoral acts such as theft, will indulge in sexual acts with other's women and so on. He would be a very angry person as well. - Parasara Hora Efficiency in some subject he learned: Being 3rd (growth) from 10th (fame), 12th can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 12th can certainly signify high efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. Theft and immoral sexual activities: Theft and immoral sexual activities are mainly signified by 6th house. LL in 12th aspects 6th and thus strengthening the results of 6th house. The other things mentioned in the sloka are straightforward and easy to understand, 12 being a malefic house. Let us see what Meenaraja has to say. If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native would be very efficient in argumentation, very intelligent and will love his own community. He will live abroad. He will earn as well as donate - and live by depending on the earnings of others. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures. - Meenara Hora Efficient in argumentation, intelligent: Lagna lord in 12th aspects the 6th house (2nd from 5th) providing beneficial results to 5th as well. Also note that 12th is 11th (Upachaya, growth) from 2nd (speech and words) – this too improves the argumentative abilities. Will love his own community: Own community is signified by 4th house. Lagna lord in 12th aspects 5th (2nd from 4th), thus providing beneficial results to 4th - thus this derivation. Live abroad: Malefic houses 6-8-12 are hidden from view and in a way indicate being away from native land, and losing close contact with friends and relatives. Therefore these houses can signify life abroad (away from friends and relatives). Further in Kalapurusha chart also the 12th house (Pisces) signifies sea (or rather crossing the sea) and thus life abroad. 12th is fall from original position - the place and environment to which we actually fit into. In this way also 12th can signify the life of an individual who is away from his native culture, customs, language, environment and relatives. Earn and Donate: To waste money - the attitude of not valuing money should be present. Such individuals if affected by kindness will give away money in donation as well. To waste money, first money should be earned or gained from some one else. Thus the derivations `earn and donate' or `live by depending on other's earnings'. Indulge in worldly pleasures: 12th is signifies too much attachment and indulgence in worldly pleasures such as sex and sleep. Too much attachment and indulgence in worldly pleasures and spending of wealth with out valuing it, is sure to cause sadness and other side effects such as poverty, diseases like tuberculosis, debt, death and bondage. Thus pleasure is essentially associated with pain as well. That is why in Kalapurusha chart the 12th house is signified by Pisces - a unique sign with dual nature. Thus 12th can signify pitiful death as well as Nirvana (liberation); 12 can signify bondage and liberty; 12th can signify worldly pleasures and sadness; 12th can signify lack of intelligence and pure consciousness; 12th can signify fall from position and evolving beyond all position and names; 12 can signify death and re-birth. It is a unique house, which indicate the merging of the opposites. A slightly different version of the above sloka of Meenaraja Hora is available in Hora Pradeepa as quoted below. If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will use strong bad words, and indulge in argumentation without reason, he would be very intelligent and will love his own community. He will live abroad. He will earn as well as donate - and live by depending on the earnings of others. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures. - Hora Pradeepam Here instead of `Patuvak' (efficient in argumentation) the word `Katu vadakaro' (indulging in argumentation using bad words) is used. 12th being a malefic house (amplifying the bad qualities of the native), this also seems to be logical. Check with actual results to identify the correct version. May be this too would be difficult, since usually too much argumentation (if done between people without awareness) may essentially lead to the use of bad words - in an effort to degenerate the views of others, and also due to the fact the false egos gets hurt during argumentation at times. The 12th house signifies things such as - lose, left eye, diseases like tuberculosis, deterioration or degeneration, poverty, sin, immoral sexual acts, worldly pleasures, expense, debt, sadness, bondage, imprisonment, death, liberation, enlightenment, re-birth etc. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 10th generates special importance to the derivations related to the same. In this document I tried to clarify the results attributed to lagna lord in various houses and the logic used behind those derivation in the quotes provided by ancient astrology classics. This document must have helped the learners much in understanding the view point, systems and logic used by the sages to a certain extend, I hope. Continue this study - trust in the words of the sages - and know that they never said even a word without proper support of logic and understanding. Those words spring from their true sincerity and experience. If you trust them and follow the path shown by them, you will never have to worry that you took the wrong path. - Written by Sreenadh (sreesog) ============================================== Love, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 " Will love his own community: Own community is signified by 4th house. Lagna lord in 12th aspects 5th (2nd from 4th), thus providing beneficial results to 4th - thus this derivation. " Planets in H12 cannot aspect H5. Consider that H12 is 9th from H4 thus bringing luck/fortune and advancement in 4th house matters such as education and own community. H6 is house of anger, krodh and planets in H12 cast a direct aspect on H6, thus bringing into focus the significations of H6 (this includes debate, arguments). , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Here is the intial info to start a worthy discussion on Lagna lord in > 12th house. [There was some errors in the previous post - so please > ignore the same.] > > ============================================== > Lagna lord in 12th House > > > --------- > > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will have all the bodily > pleasures (such as pleasure from women, sex, sleep etc). He will indulge > in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting > games such as dice or lottery etc, will do immoral acts such as theft, > will indulge in sexual acts with other's wives and so on. He will > waste money without benefit and would be an angry individual, if not > conjunct with or aspected by benefics. He will indulge in many worldly > pleasures He would be very efficient in the subject he learned; would be > very efficient in argumentation, very intelligent and will love his own > community. He will go abroad and may live abroad. He will earn as well > as donate - and live by depending on the earnings of others to certain > extend. > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will have all the bodily > pleasures (such as pleasure from women, sex, sleep etc). He will waste > money without benefit and would be an angry individual, if not conjunct > with or aspected by benefics. > > - Parasara Hora > > 12th house signify the bodily pleasures - such as sex, sleep etc. Thus > it is natural to say that if lagna lord is in 12th all these things will > improve and that the native will enjoy them. 12th signifies expenditure > as well and is a shadow occult house (one among 6-8-12) were darkness > (lack of consciousness) prevails - thus naturally wasting of money > without benefit is derived. But why anger? Ofcourse loss causes anger to > rise - would it be the reason? Could be. But there are other reasons as > well. 12th signifies ego and sadness - both of which fuels the anger. > Considering the Kalapurusha chart, i.e. Aries as Lagna, Mars is the > lagna lord and in 12th it gets placed in the house of destruction > (Pralaya Rasi) Pisces, which the proud Jupiter rules - anger and > destruction combined with power is the natural effect of this > combination. The same applies to lagna lord in 12th. It is the house of > destruction now with the Mars like (or sun like, since sun is the > significator of lagna) lagna lord placed in it. Naturally a fiery planet > in such a fierce house causes the anger to rise - and then destruction > and lose are just natural consequences. Note that 12th house signifies > sadness, lose, deterioration, poverty, sin, immoral sex, expense, > bondage, imprisonment etc. Ofcourse a moment of anger, and action > without consciousness can lead to the worst results. > > But if conjunct with or aspected by benefics this result should not be > derived. Why? Because 12th is a unique house which will change its > nature drastically if aspected by benefics. Note that 12th is the house > signifying liberation as well. Liberation means the end of all darkness > - merging into pure consciousness. In Kalapurusha chart, the same would > be represented by Ma in Pieces (owned by Ju). Ma is the significator of > detachment (Satwa guna) and Jupiter of consciousness (Pranjha). This > sign (Pieces) and house (12th) itself signify liberation (Mukti) and on > beneficial conjunct or aspect, the same is going to bestow the best > possible results suddenly reversing its nature, as indicated by 2 fishes > in opposing direction. Pisces signifies the merging of opposites, the > end of all conflicts. In the native's horoscope similar situation is > signified by lagna lord in 12th house. Here too if 12th house is > conjunct with or aspected by benefics - the same will happen, i.e. > reversing of its original nature. Then the sign bestows all good results > - because the merging of opposite results - and even the bad results > stops to be bad anymore - bestowing detached peacefulness and happiness > - Sex may become tantric sex and lose may give way to renouncing. > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted > below. > > If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral > activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as > dice or lottery etc, will do immoral acts such as theft, will indulge in > sexual acts with other's women and so on. He would be a very angry > person as well. > > - Parasara Hora > > Efficiency in some subject he learned: Being 3rd (growth) from 10th > (fame), 12th can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work. > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 12th can certainly signify high > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > Theft and immoral sexual activities: Theft and immoral sexual activities > are mainly signified by 6th house. LL in 12th aspects 6th and thus > strengthening the results of 6th house. > > The other things mentioned in the sloka are straightforward and easy to > understand, 12 being a malefic house. Let us see what Meenaraja has to > say. > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native would be very efficient in > argumentation, very intelligent and will love his own community. He will > live abroad. He will earn as well as donate - and live by depending on > the earnings of others. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures. > > - Meenara Hora > > Efficient in argumentation, intelligent: Lagna lord in 12th aspects the > 6th house (2nd from 5th) providing beneficial results to 5th as well. > Also note that 12th is 11th (Upachaya, growth) from 2nd (speech and > words) – this too improves the argumentative abilities. > > Will love his own community: Own community is signified by 4th house. > Lagna lord in 12th aspects 5th (2nd from 4th), thus providing beneficial > results to 4th - thus this derivation. > > Live abroad: Malefic houses 6-8-12 are hidden from view and in a way > indicate being away from native land, and losing close contact with > friends and relatives. Therefore these houses can signify life abroad > (away from friends and relatives). Further in Kalapurusha chart also the > 12th house (Pisces) signifies sea (or rather crossing the sea) and thus > life abroad. 12th is fall from original position - the place and > environment to which we actually fit into. In this way also 12th can > signify the life of an individual who is away from his native culture, > customs, language, environment and relatives. > > Earn and Donate: To waste money - the attitude of not valuing money > should be present. Such individuals if affected by kindness will give > away money in donation as well. To waste money, first money should be > earned or gained from some one else. Thus the derivations `earn and > donate' or `live by depending on other's earnings'. > > Indulge in worldly pleasures: 12th is signifies too much attachment and > indulgence in worldly pleasures such as sex and sleep. > > Too much attachment and indulgence in worldly pleasures and spending of > wealth with out valuing it, is sure to cause sadness and other side > effects such as poverty, diseases like tuberculosis, debt, death and > bondage. Thus pleasure is essentially associated with pain as well. That > is why in Kalapurusha chart the 12th house is signified by Pisces - a > unique sign with dual nature. Thus 12th can signify pitiful death as > well as Nirvana (liberation); 12 can signify bondage and liberty; 12th > can signify worldly pleasures and sadness; 12th can signify lack of > intelligence and pure consciousness; 12th can signify fall from position > and evolving beyond all position and names; 12 can signify death and > re-birth. It is a unique house, which indicate the merging of the > opposites. > > A slightly different version of the above sloka of Meenaraja Hora is > available in Hora Pradeepa as quoted below. > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will use strong bad words, > and indulge in argumentation without reason, he would be very > intelligent and will love his own community. He will live abroad. He > will earn as well as donate - and live by depending on the earnings of > others. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures. > > - Hora Pradeepam > > Here instead of `Patuvak' (efficient in argumentation) the word > `Katu vadakaro' (indulging in argumentation using bad words) is > used. 12th being a malefic house (amplifying the bad qualities of the > native), this also seems to be logical. Check with actual results to > identify the correct version. May be this too would be difficult, since > usually too much argumentation (if done between people without > awareness) may essentially lead to the use of bad words - in an effort > to degenerate the views of others, and also due to the fact the false > egos gets hurt during argumentation at times. > > The 12th house signifies things such as - lose, left eye, diseases like > tuberculosis, deterioration or degeneration, poverty, sin, immoral > sexual acts, worldly pleasures, expense, debt, sadness, bondage, > imprisonment, death, liberation, enlightenment, re-birth etc. Thus the > placement of lagna lord in 10th generates special importance to the > derivations related to the same. > > In this document I tried to clarify the results attributed to lagna lord > in various houses and the logic used behind those derivation in the > quotes provided by ancient astrology classics. This document must have > helped the learners much in understanding the view point, systems and > logic used by the sages to a certain extend, I hope. Continue this study > - trust in the words of the sages - and know that they never said even a > word without proper support of logic and understanding. Those words > spring from their true sincerity and experience. If you trust them and > follow the path shown by them, you will never have to worry that you > took the wrong path. > > - Written by Sreenadh (sreesog <sreesog ) > > ============================================== > Love, > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 sir, Iam ganeshraj ,DB 14/04/70 at kolkatta.Married with a 3yr kid. presently working with a MNC company since 9yrs almost stagnant iam completly exhausted and confused on how to grow, & in which direction,thers too much of frustrations,how do i settle up myself. Pls do suggest a remedy. raj atma_gnan <atma_gnan Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2007 8:43:19 PM Re: Lagna lord in 12th House "Will love his own community: Own community is signified by 4th house. Lagna lord in 12th aspects 5th (2nd from 4th), thus providing beneficial results to 4th - thus this derivation."Planets in H12 cannot aspect H5.Consider that H12 is 9th from H4 thus bringing luck/fortune and advancement in 4th house matters such as education and own community.H6 is house of anger, krodh and planets in H12 cast a direct aspect on H6, thus bringing into focus the significations of H6 (this includes debate, arguments). , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear All,> > Here is the intial info to start a worthy discussion on Lagna lord in> 12th house. [There was some errors in the previous post - so please> ignore the same.]> > ==============================================> Lagna lord in 12th House> > > ---------> > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will have all the bodily> pleasures (such as pleasure from women, sex, sleep etc). He will indulge> in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting> games such as dice or lottery etc, will do immoral acts such as theft,> will indulge in sexual acts with other's wives and so on. He will> waste money without benefit and would be an angry individual, if not> conjunct with or aspected by benefics. He will indulge in many worldly> pleasures He would be very efficient in the subject he learned; would be> very efficient in argumentation, very intelligent and will love his own> community. He will go abroad and may live abroad. He will earn as well> as donate - and live by depending on the earnings of others to certain> extend.> > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will have all the bodily> pleasures (such as pleasure from women, sex, sleep etc). He will waste> money without benefit and would be an angry individual, if not conjunct> with or aspected by benefics.> > - Parasara Hora> > 12th house signify the bodily pleasures - such as sex, sleep etc. Thus> it is natural to say that if lagna lord is in 12th all these things will> improve and that the native will enjoy them. 12th signifies expenditure> as well and is a shadow occult house (one among 6-8-12) were darkness> (lack of consciousness) prevails - thus naturally wasting of money> without benefit is derived. But why anger? Ofcourse loss causes anger to> rise - would it be the reason? Could be. But there are other reasons as> well. 12th signifies ego and sadness - both of which fuels the anger.> Considering the Kalapurusha chart, i.e. Aries as Lagna, Mars is the> lagna lord and in 12th it gets placed in the house of destruction> (Pralaya Rasi) Pisces, which the proud Jupiter rules - anger and> destruction combined with power is the natural effect of this> combination. The same applies to lagna lord in 12th. It is the house of> destruction now with the Mars like (or sun like, since sun is the> significator of lagna) lagna lord placed in it. Naturally a fiery planet> in such a fierce house causes the anger to rise - and then destruction> and lose are just natural consequences. Note that 12th house signifies> sadness, lose, deterioration, poverty, sin, immoral sex, expense,> bondage, imprisonment etc. Ofcourse a moment of anger, and action> without consciousness can lead to the worst results.> > But if conjunct with or aspected by benefics this result should not be> derived. Why? Because 12th is a unique house which will change its> nature drastically if aspected by benefics. Note that 12th is the house> signifying liberation as well. Liberation means the end of all darkness> - merging into pure consciousness. In Kalapurusha chart, the same would> be represented by Ma in Pieces (owned by Ju). Ma is the significator of> detachment (Satwa guna) and Jupiter of consciousness (Pranjha). This> sign (Pieces) and house (12th) itself signify liberation (Mukti) and on> beneficial conjunct or aspect, the same is going to bestow the best> possible results suddenly reversing its nature, as indicated by 2 fishes> in opposing direction. Pisces signifies the merging of opposites, the> end of all conflicts. In the native's horoscope similar situation is> signified by lagna lord in 12th house. Here too if 12th house is> conjunct with or aspected by benefics - the same will happen, i.e.> reversing of its original nature. Then the sign bestows all good results> - because the merging of opposite results - and even the bad results> stops to be bad anymore - bestowing detached peacefulness and happiness> - Sex may become tantric sex and lose may give way to renouncing.> > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted> below.> > If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very> efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral> activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as> dice or lottery etc, will do immoral acts such as theft, will indulge in> sexual acts with other's women and so on. He would be a very angry> person as well.> > - Parasara Hora> > Efficiency in some subject he learned: Being 3rd (growth) from 10th> (fame), 12th can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work.> Thus the placement of lagna lord in 12th can certainly signify high> efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> > Theft and immoral sexual activities: Theft and immoral sexual activities> are mainly signified by 6th house. LL in 12th aspects 6th and thus> strengthening the results of 6th house.> > The other things mentioned in the sloka are straightforward and easy to> understand, 12 being a malefic house. Let us see what Meenaraja has to> say.> > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native would be very efficient in> argumentation, very intelligent and will love his own community. He will> live abroad. He will earn as well as donate - and live by depending on> the earnings of others. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures.> > - Meenara Hora> > Efficient in argumentation, intelligent: Lagna lord in 12th aspects the> 6th house (2nd from 5th) providing beneficial results to 5th as well.> Also note that 12th is 11th (Upachaya, growth) from 2nd (speech and> words) – this too improves the argumentative abilities.> > Will love his own community: Own community is signified by 4th house.> Lagna lord in 12th aspects 5th (2nd from 4th), thus providing beneficial> results to 4th - thus this derivation.> > Live abroad: Malefic houses 6-8-12 are hidden from view and in a way> indicate being away from native land, and losing close contact with> friends and relatives. Therefore these houses can signify life abroad> (away from friends and relatives). Further in Kalapurusha chart also the> 12th house (Pisces) signifies sea (or rather crossing the sea) and thus> life abroad. 12th is fall from original position - the place and> environment to which we actually fit into. In this way also 12th can> signify the life of an individual who is away from his native culture,> customs, language, environment and relatives.> > Earn and Donate: To waste money - the attitude of not valuing money> should be present. Such individuals if affected by kindness will give> away money in donation as well. To waste money, first money should be> earned or gained from some one else. Thus the derivations `earn and> donate' or `live by depending on other's earnings'.> > Indulge in worldly pleasures: 12th is signifies too much attachment and> indulgence in worldly pleasures such as sex and sleep.> > Too much attachment and indulgence in worldly pleasures and spending of> wealth with out valuing it, is sure to cause sadness and other side> effects such as poverty, diseases like tuberculosis, debt, death and> bondage. Thus pleasure is essentially associated with pain as well. That> is why in Kalapurusha chart the 12th house is signified by Pisces - a> unique sign with dual nature. Thus 12th can signify pitiful death as> well as Nirvana (liberation); 12 can signify bondage and liberty; 12th> can signify worldly pleasures and sadness; 12th can signify lack of> intelligence and pure consciousness; 12th can signify fall from position> and evolving beyond all position and names; 12 can signify death and> re-birth. It is a unique house, which indicate the merging of the> opposites.> > A slightly different version of the above sloka of Meenaraja Hora is> available in Hora Pradeepa as quoted below.> > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will use strong bad words,> and indulge in argumentation without reason, he would be very> intelligent and will love his own community. He will live abroad. He> will earn as well as donate - and live by depending on the earnings of> others. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures.> > - Hora Pradeepam> > Here instead of `Patuvak' (efficient in argumentation) the word> `Katu vadakaro' (indulging in argumentation using bad words) is> used. 12th being a malefic house (amplifying the bad qualities of the> native), this also seems to be logical. Check with actual results to> identify the correct version. May be this too would be difficult, since> usually too much argumentation (if done between people without> awareness) may essentially lead to the use of bad words - in an effort> to degenerate the views of others, and also due to the fact the false> egos gets hurt during argumentation at times.> > The 12th house signifies things such as - lose, left eye, diseases like> tuberculosis, deterioration or degeneration, poverty, sin, immoral> sexual acts, worldly pleasures, expense, debt, sadness, bondage,> imprisonment, death, liberation, enlightenment, re-birth etc. Thus the> placement of lagna lord in 10th generates special importance to the> derivations related to the same.> > In this document I tried to clarify the results attributed to lagna lord> in various houses and the logic used behind those derivation in the> quotes provided by ancient astrology classics. This document must have> helped the learners much in understanding the view point, systems and> logic used by the sages to a certain extend, I hope. Continue this study> - trust in the words of the sages - and know that they never said even a> word without proper support of logic and understanding. Those words> spring from their true sincerity and experience. If you trust them and> follow the path shown by them, you will never have to worry that you> took the wrong path.> > - Written by Sreenadh (sreesog <sreesog )> > ==============================================> Love,> Sreenadh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear atma_gnan ji . Your point abt 12 th is 9th from 4th house is valid .And so it can enhance 4th house results . but 12th is 7th from 6th and planets their enhance the qualities of 6th house need not be so as 7th is always maraka and rasi of fall of any house . This may be one of the reason lagna lord in 7th is acting or giving a result. Planets in 12th has trinal aspects also ,so they can see 4th house .U can pls refer any B P H S and see partial drishtis of course the power will be differrent. regrds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "atma_gnan" <atma_gnan wrote:>> > "Will love his own community: Own community is signified by 4th > house. Lagna lord in 12th aspects 5th (2nd from 4th), thus providing > beneficial results to 4th - thus this derivation."> > Planets in H12 cannot aspect H5.> > Consider that H12 is 9th from H4 thus bringing luck/fortune and > advancement in 4th house matters such as education and own community.> > H6 is house of anger, krodh and planets in H12 cast a direct aspect > on H6, thus bringing into focus the significations of H6 (this > includes debate, arguments).> > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear All,> > > > Here is the intial info to start a worthy discussion on Lagna > lord in> > 12th house. [There was some errors in the previous post - so please> > ignore the same.]> > > > ==============================================> > Lagna lord in 12th House> > > > > > ---------> > > > > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will have all the bodily> > pleasures (such as pleasure from women, sex, sleep etc). He will > indulge> > in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting> > games such as dice or lottery etc, will do immoral acts such as > theft,> > will indulge in sexual acts with other's wives and so on. He will> > waste money without benefit and would be an angry individual, if not> > conjunct with or aspected by benefics. He will indulge in many > worldly> > pleasures He would be very efficient in the subject he learned; > would be> > very efficient in argumentation, very intelligent and will love his > own> > community. He will go abroad and may live abroad. He will earn as > well> > as donate - and live by depending on the earnings of others to > certain> > extend.> > > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will have all the bodily> > pleasures (such as pleasure from women, sex, sleep etc). He will > waste> > money without benefit and would be an angry individual, if not > conjunct> > with or aspected by benefics.> > > > - Parasara Hora> > > > 12th house signify the bodily pleasures - such as sex, sleep etc. > Thus> > it is natural to say that if lagna lord is in 12th all these things > will> > improve and that the native will enjoy them. 12th signifies > expenditure> > as well and is a shadow occult house (one among 6-8-12) were > darkness> > (lack of consciousness) prevails - thus naturally wasting of money> > without benefit is derived. But why anger? Ofcourse loss causes > anger to> > rise - would it be the reason? Could be. But there are other > reasons as> > well. 12th signifies ego and sadness - both of which fuels the > anger.> > Considering the Kalapurusha chart, i.e. Aries as Lagna, Mars is the> > lagna lord and in 12th it gets placed in the house of destruction> > (Pralaya Rasi) Pisces, which the proud Jupiter rules - anger and> > destruction combined with power is the natural effect of this> > combination. The same applies to lagna lord in 12th. It is the > house of> > destruction now with the Mars like (or sun like, since sun is the> > significator of lagna) lagna lord placed in it. Naturally a fiery > planet> > in such a fierce house causes the anger to rise - and then > destruction> > and lose are just natural consequences. Note that 12th house > signifies> > sadness, lose, deterioration, poverty, sin, immoral sex, expense,> > bondage, imprisonment etc. Ofcourse a moment of anger, and action> > without consciousness can lead to the worst results.> > > > But if conjunct with or aspected by benefics this result should not > be> > derived. Why? Because 12th is a unique house which will change its> > nature drastically if aspected by benefics. Note that 12th is the > house> > signifying liberation as well. Liberation means the end of all > darkness> > - merging into pure consciousness. In Kalapurusha chart, the same > would> > be represented by Ma in Pieces (owned by Ju). Ma is the > significator of> > detachment (Satwa guna) and Jupiter of consciousness (Pranjha). This> > sign (Pieces) and house (12th) itself signify liberation (Mukti) > and on> > beneficial conjunct or aspect, the same is going to bestow the best> > possible results suddenly reversing its nature, as indicated by 2 > fishes> > in opposing direction. Pisces signifies the merging of opposites, > the> > end of all conflicts. In the native's horoscope similar situation is> > signified by lagna lord in 12th house. Here too if 12th house is> > conjunct with or aspected by benefics - the same will happen, i.e.> > reversing of its original nature. Then the sign bestows all good > results> > - because the merging of opposite results - and even the bad results> > stops to be bad anymore - bestowing detached peacefulness and > happiness> > - Sex may become tantric sex and lose may give way to renouncing.> > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > quoted> > below.> > > > If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very> > efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral> > activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such > as> > dice or lottery etc, will do immoral acts such as theft, will > indulge in> > sexual acts with other's women and so on. He would be a very angry> > person as well.> > > > - Parasara Hora> > > > Efficiency in some subject he learned: Being 3rd (growth) from 10th> > (fame), 12th can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in > work.> > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 12th can certainly signify high> > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> > > > Theft and immoral sexual activities: Theft and immoral sexual > activities> > are mainly signified by 6th house. LL in 12th aspects 6th and thus> > strengthening the results of 6th house.> > > > The other things mentioned in the sloka are straightforward and > easy to> > understand, 12 being a malefic house. Let us see what Meenaraja has > to> > say.> > > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native would be very efficient > in> > argumentation, very intelligent and will love his own community. He > will> > live abroad. He will earn as well as donate - and live by depending > on> > the earnings of others. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures.> > > > - Meenara Hora> > > > Efficient in argumentation, intelligent: Lagna lord in 12th aspects > the> > 6th house (2nd from 5th) providing beneficial results to 5th as > well.> > Also note that 12th is 11th (Upachaya, growth) from 2nd (speech and> > words) – this too improves the argumentative abilities.> > > > Will love his own community: Own community is signified by 4th > house.> > Lagna lord in 12th aspects 5th (2nd from 4th), thus providing > beneficial> > results to 4th - thus this derivation.> > > > Live abroad: Malefic houses 6-8-12 are hidden from view and in a way> > indicate being away from native land, and losing close contact with> > friends and relatives. Therefore these houses can signify life > abroad> > (away from friends and relatives). Further in Kalapurusha chart > also the> > 12th house (Pisces) signifies sea (or rather crossing the sea) and > thus> > life abroad. 12th is fall from original position - the place and> > environment to which we actually fit into. In this way also 12th can> > signify the life of an individual who is away from his native > culture,> > customs, language, environment and relatives.> > > > Earn and Donate: To waste money - the attitude of not valuing money> > should be present. Such individuals if affected by kindness will > give> > away money in donation as well. To waste money, first money should > be> > earned or gained from some one else. Thus the derivations `earn and> > donate' or `live by depending on other's earnings'.> > > > Indulge in worldly pleasures: 12th is signifies too much attachment > and> > indulgence in worldly pleasures such as sex and sleep.> > > > Too much attachment and indulgence in worldly pleasures and > spending of> > wealth with out valuing it, is sure to cause sadness and other side> > effects such as poverty, diseases like tuberculosis, debt, death and> > bondage. Thus pleasure is essentially associated with pain as well. > That> > is why in Kalapurusha chart the 12th house is signified by Pisces - > a> > unique sign with dual nature. Thus 12th can signify pitiful death as> > well as Nirvana (liberation); 12 can signify bondage and liberty; > 12th> > can signify worldly pleasures and sadness; 12th can signify lack of> > intelligence and pure consciousness; 12th can signify fall from > position> > and evolving beyond all position and names; 12 can signify death and> > re-birth. It is a unique house, which indicate the merging of the> > opposites.> > > > A slightly different version of the above sloka of Meenaraja Hora is> > available in Hora Pradeepa as quoted below.> > > > If lagna lord is in 12th house, the native will use strong bad > words,> > and indulge in argumentation without reason, he would be very> > intelligent and will love his own community. He will live abroad. He> > will earn as well as donate - and live by depending on the earnings > of> > others. He will indulge in many worldly pleasures.> > > > - Hora Pradeepam> > > > Here instead of `Patuvak' (efficient in argumentation) the word> > `Katu vadakaro' (indulging in argumentation using bad words) is> > used. 12th being a malefic house (amplifying the bad qualities of > the> > native), this also seems to be logical. Check with actual results to> > identify the correct version. May be this too would be difficult, > since> > usually too much argumentation (if done between people without> > awareness) may essentially lead to the use of bad words - in an > effort> > to degenerate the views of others, and also due to the fact the > false> > egos gets hurt during argumentation at times.> > > > The 12th house signifies things such as - lose, left eye, > diseases like> > tuberculosis, deterioration or degeneration, poverty, sin, immoral> > sexual acts, worldly pleasures, expense, debt, sadness, bondage,> > imprisonment, death, liberation, enlightenment, re-birth etc. Thus > the> > placement of lagna lord in 10th generates special importance to the> > derivations related to the same.> > > > In this document I tried to clarify the results attributed to lagna > lord> > in various houses and the logic used behind those derivation in the> > quotes provided by ancient astrology classics. This document must > have> > helped the learners much in understanding the view point, systems > and> > logic used by the sages to a certain extend, I hope. Continue this > study> > - trust in the words of the sages - and know that they never said > even a> > word without proper support of logic and understanding. Those words> > spring from their true sincerity and experience. If you trust them > and> > follow the path shown by them, you will never have to worry that you> > took the wrong path.> > > > - Written by Sreenadh (sreesog@ <sreesog@ )> > > > ==============================================> > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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