Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Let us get starting with the subject....NO point in rhetoric......or getting personal........expect to see your subject and context with introduction..etc.... in your next posting.....you can choose your own chart initially, but you need to replicate the technique on other blind horoscope as well......hope you appreciate this point....... Expect you to respond to the following: a) What is Shastiamsa b) Why it is important c) What are the inferences once can draw on it d) How it is calculated e) What is the astro_classics got to say on it i.e. D-60 f) When talking or discussing about vargas, first explain how the varga are to be interpreted with examples g) Do you consider D-60 Shastiamsa as a varga or something different...... h) How do you ensure that the birth data that is given to you is correct or not......{ assuming the birth data given by many people is correct to their knowledge, with minor variation in minutes & seconds...} in such cases, what methods or conditions or combinations are to be checked for its rectification. Explain it with an example. In all the above cases, you may start with your known birth data....later you MUST test your method on few BLIND HOROSCOPES. Till then it is considered as a theory......i.e. derived theory....... with regards, sreeram srinivas Quoting astrology: Dear Sreeram, Thanks for your invitation and email. Here is my side to the story~ practise astrology...........as we have read enough of it and let me known that there are members in this group who have experienced it much much beyond that you have just mentioned and are very advanced in spirituality If that is the case than the knowledge shown in the forum would becommensurate to that spiritual understanding. i have not seenany sign of that as yet. >- in sheer practice repeat practice and iti is a strong belief, { scriptures also mention it explicitly} NOT to mention the experiences unless instructed by God through his bliss. i believe in God within and bliss. however my understanding of theterm 'GOD' is different from > Another example - UNACCEPTABLE statements - BPHS is only 1% of total astrology. Once again I am misquoted ~ I said the present verison of BPHS is only 1% of originalversion of Sage Parashra's teachings. Most of BPHS has been lost in time. What we haveis a tiny fragment. You can start with the following birth data posted by a member, reproduced once again belowMale, 22nd july 1943 at 16.50.00 Yokohama, Japan If I have to teach about Shashtiamsha I would start with the chart I deem fit. Thanks & Regards, Prash Trivedi Sreeram Srinivas Home : +91 11 2785 1519Cell : +91 98682 31817 << tech.gif >> www.osfa.org.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 How can we interpret d-60, if we don't know what each amsa means?Can you give us a brief meaning for each? I would be very grrateful.sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Let us get starting with the subject....NO point in rhetoric......or getting personal........expect to see your subject and context with introduction..etc.... in your next posting.....you can choose your own chart initially, but you need to replicate the technique on other blind horoscope as well......hope you appreciate this point....... Expect you to respond to the following: a) What is Shastiamsa b) Why it is important c) What are the inferences once can draw on it d) How it is calculated e) What is the astro_classics got to say on it i.e. D-60 f) When talking or discussing about vargas, first explain how the varga are to be interpreted with examples g) Do you consider D-60 Shastiamsa as a varga or something different...... h) How do you ensure that the birth data that is given to you is correct or not......{ assuming the birth data given by many people is correct to their knowledge, with minor variation in minutes & seconds...} in such cases, what methods or conditions or combinations are to be checked for its rectification. Explain it with an example. In all the above cases, you may start with your known birth data....later you MUST test your method on few BLIND HOROSCOPES. Till then it is considered as a theory......i.e. derived theory....... with regards, sreeram srinivas Quoting astrology (AT) karmablueprint (DOT) com: Dear Sreeram, Thanks for your invitation and email. Here is my side to the story~ practise astrology...........as we have read enough of it and let me known that there are members in this group who have experienced it much much beyond that you have just mentioned and are very advanced in spirituality If that is the case than the knowledge shown in the forum would becommensurate to that spiritual understanding. i have not seenany sign of that as yet. >- in sheer practice repeat practice and iti is a strong belief, { scriptures also mention it explicitly} NOT to mention the experiences unless instructed by God through his bliss. i believe in God within and bliss. however my understanding of theterm 'GOD' is different from > Another example - UNACCEPTABLE statements - BPHS is only 1% of total astrology. Once again I am misquoted ~ I said the present verison of BPHS is only 1% of originalversion of Sage Parashra's teachings. Most of BPHS has been lost in time. What we haveis a tiny fragment. You can start with the following birth data posted by a member, reproduced once again belowMale, 22nd july 1943 at 16.50.00 Yokohama, Japan If I have to teach about Shashtiamsha I would start with the chart I deem fit. Thanks & Regards, Prash Trivedi Sreeram Srinivas Home : +91 11 2785 1519Cell : +91 98682 31817 << tech.gif >> www.osfa.org.uk Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Dear Zhar ji, Noice th follwoing path which we ignore as of now in this thread: ================================================================= Actually, there is a long way to go before taking up D60 systematically. 1) It should be clarified how 7-fold approach applies to Divisions 2) It should be clarified how those general rules can be applied to R x 60 = D60 as well. (Here all signs gets the lordship for D60 vargs). This done following the Dwadasa varga scheam. 3) Then it should be clarified whether the Shadvargadhipa lord ship determination style can be applied to D60 or not and whether any relevant quotes available. If so how to use it. 4) Now comes the names for D60 amsas given in texts like BPHS and the Devatas given for them. The question - why a deviation from Dwadasa varga and Shadvargadhipa scheame is suggested?, should be clarified. 5) Then we can explain how to use this unique 3rd method (R x 60 & Vargadhipa scheams being the other two), i.e. Amsa names & Devatas to be used in practical astrology. Any effort to use or understand first taking the 5th point is nothing but an erroneous path in a systematic approach & lact of understanding of ancient indian astrolgy. When we reach up to D60 all the 4 points (above the 5th) should be clear to us by then. Many took the 5th point and struggled without benefit – till date; and it will contiue here as well..lol.. But if some one really want to do that let him - and we are all ready to co-operate... ======================================================= Now you know where you are - so start from there, i.e. without even knowing the meaning of D60 names.. - The meaning of words and the results they point to. Also note that PT and you are the teachers to us in this regard - and we are just the students.. So proceed bravely - and a chart of an individual from Japan is there to be cracked before you like a coconut, to be treated with D60 :=) Clarify our doubts on D60 - instead of asking them... Love, Sreenadh , zhar bird <blagomot wrote: > > How can we interpret d-60, if we don't know what each amsa means? > Can you give us a brief meaning for each? > I would be very grrateful. > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > Let us get starting with the subject....NO point in rhetoric......or getting personal........expect to see your subject and context with introduction..etc.... in your next posting.....you can choose your own chart initially, but you need to replicate the technique on other blind horoscope as well......hope you appreciate this point....... > Expect you to respond to the following: > a) What is Shastiamsa > b) Why it is important > c) What are the inferences once can draw on it > d) How it is calculated > e) What is the astro_classics got to say on it i.e. D-60 > f) When talking or discussing about vargas, first explain how the varga are to be interpreted with examples > g) Do you consider D-60 Shastiamsa as a varga or something different...... > h) How do you ensure that the birth data that is given to you is correct or not......{ assuming the birth data given by many people is correct to their knowledge, with minor variation in minutes & seconds...} in such cases, what methods or conditions or combinations are to be checked for its rectification. Explain it with an example. > In all the above cases, you may start with your known birth data....later you MUST test your method on few BLIND HOROSCOPES. Till then it is considered as a theory......i.e. derived theory....... > with regards, > sreeram srinivas > Quoting astrology: > Dear Sreeram, > Thanks for your invitation and email. Here is my side to the story~ > practise astrology...........as we have read enough of it and let me known that there are members in this group who have experienced it much much beyond that you have just mentioned and are very advanced in spirituality If that is the case than the knowledge shown in the forum would becommensurate to that spiritual understanding. i have not seenany sign of that as yet. >- in sheer practice repeat practice and iti is a strong belief, { scriptures also mention it explicitly} NOT to mention the experiences unless instructed by God through his bliss. i believe in God within and bliss. however my understanding of theterm 'GOD' is different from > Another example - UNACCEPTABLE statements - BPHS is only 1% of total astrology. Once again I am misquoted ~ I said the present verison of BPHS is only 1% of originalversion of Sage Parashra's teachings. Most of BPHS has been lost in time. What we haveis a tiny fragment. > You can start with the following birth data posted by a member, reproduced once again belowMale, 22nd july 1943 at 16.50.00 Yokohama, Japan > If I have to teach about Shashtiamsha I would start with the chart I deem fit. > Thanks & Regards, > Prash Trivedi > Sreeram Srinivas Home : +91 11 2785 1519Cell : +91 98682 31817 << tech.gif >> www.osfa.org.uk > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Dear Mr. Trivedi ji,I looked at Japanese charts. There are actually several Yokohamas in Japan, so I picked one with avg lo+lat.Based on my knowledge, I would say that this man had a difficult childhood, and lost his father early. Perhaps, his mother as well. He is patriotic, intellegent, should be able to defeat his enemies. But he is not steady. Regarless of profession, he is an astute politician + deal maker. But does not hold to his $. So inheritance, and other $ come and go. And $ could be big (Ju trines Mo in 4th and Picses). But he may even consciously give his wealth away. He is likely to be spiritual, a buddhist? And probably travels a lot.But he can also be aggressive and pitiless.He may never marry, but has many relationships instead. Or, he has many wives / mistresses. He has a son.But he does not live long. His health is fragile since childhood. Actually,it may improve later in life.Ve dasa would give him many opportunities. Sun dasa could be important professionally, but he may lose his father, have spiritual experiences, travel. Bad for his life? Moon dasa would be good for $ but difficult for family. Mars would be good for business and children.Now in Shastiamsa, Sa, his atma karaka is in moolatrikona but in 3rd (lots of fighting and challenges?) I don't know how to interpret this so I am guessing.His Sun is in 9th in leo - he has great mentor and or great father?Venus is in 10th in Virgo - not too good for overall success? Ju, ruler of lagna there in 7th - is it as bad as it would have been in Rasi chart?Without a guidance to interpretation, i feel like a blind kitten, guessing more than anything. I don't know how to interpret vargas, only how to judge the strength of planets thru them.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Zhar ji, Noice th follwoing path which we ignore as of now in this thread: ================================================================= Actually, there is a long way to go before taking up D60 systematically. 1) It should be clarified how 7-fold approach applies to Divisions 2) It should be clarified how those general rules can be applied to R x 60 = D60 as well. (Here all signs gets the lordship for D60 vargs). This done following the Dwadasa varga scheam. 3) Then it should be clarified whether the Shadvargadhipa lord ship determination style can be applied to D60 or not and whether any relevant quotes available. If so how to use it. 4) Now comes the names for D60 amsas given in texts like BPHS and the Devatas given for them. The question - why a deviation from Dwadasa varga and Shadvargadhipa scheame is suggested?, should be clarified. 5) Then we can explain how to use this unique 3rd method (R x 60 & Vargadhipa scheams being the other two), i.e. Amsa names & Devatas to be used in practical astrology. Any effort to use or understand first taking the 5th point is nothing but an erroneous path in a systematic approach & lact of understanding of ancient indian astrolgy. When we reach up to D60 all the 4 points (above the 5th) should be clear to us by then. Many took the 5th point and struggled without benefit – till date; and it will contiue here as well..lol.. But if some one really want to do that let him - and we are all ready to co-operate... ======================================================= Now you know where you are - so start from there, i.e. without even knowing the meaning of D60 names.. - The meaning of words and the results they point to. Also note that PT and you are the teachers to us in this regard - and we are just the students.. So proceed bravely - and a chart of an individual from Japan is there to be cracked before you like a coconut, to be treated with D60 :=) Clarify our doubts on D60 - instead of asking them... Love, Sreenadh , zhar bird <blagomot wrote: > > How can we interpret d-60, if we don't know what each amsa means? > Can you give us a brief meaning for each? > I would be very grrateful. > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > Let us get starting with the subject....NO point in rhetoric......or getting personal........expect to see your subject and context with introduction..etc.... in your next posting.....you can choose your own chart initially, but you need to replicate the technique on other blind horoscope as well......hope you appreciate this point....... > Expect you to respond to the following: > a) What is Shastiamsa > b) Why it is important > c) What are the inferences once can draw on it > d) How it is calculated > e) What is the astro_classics got to say on it i.e. D-60 > f) When talking or discussing about vargas, first explain how the varga are to be interpreted with examples > g) Do you consider D-60 Shastiamsa as a varga or something different...... > h) How do you ensure that the birth data that is given to you is correct or not......{ assuming the birth data given by many people is correct to their knowledge, with minor variation in minutes & seconds...} in such cases, what methods or conditions or combinations are to be checked for its rectification. Explain it with an example. > In all the above cases, you may start with your known birth data....later you MUST test your method on few BLIND HOROSCOPES. Till then it is considered as a theory......i.e. derived theory....... > with regards, > sreeram srinivas > Quoting astrology: > Dear Sreeram, > Thanks for your invitation and email. Here is my side to the story~ > practise astrology...........as we have read enough of it and let me known that there are members in this group who have experienced it much much beyond that you have just mentioned and are very advanced in spirituality If that is the case than the knowledge shown in the forum would becommensurate to that spiritual understanding. i have not seenany sign of that as yet. >- in sheer practice repeat practice and iti is a strong belief, { scriptures also mention it explicitly} NOT to mention the experiences unless instructed by God through his bliss. i believe in God within and bliss. however my understanding of theterm 'GOD' is different from > Another example - UNACCEPTABLE statements - BPHS is only 1% of total astrology. Once again I am misquoted ~ I said the present verison of BPHS is only 1% of originalversion of Sage Parashra's teachings. Most of BPHS has been lost in time. What we haveis a tiny fragment. > You can start with the following birth data posted by a member, reproduced once again belowMale, 22nd july 1943 at 16.50.00 Yokohama, Japan > If I have to teach about Shashtiamsha I would start with the chart I deem fit. > Thanks & Regards, > Prash Trivedi > Sreeram Srinivas Home : +91 11 2785 1519Cell : +91 98682 31817 << tech.gif >> www.osfa.org.uk > > > > > > > > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Dear Zhar ji, But where D60 here? The explanations seems like a D(minus)60! Love, Sreenadh , zhar bird <blagomot wrote: > > Dear Mr. Trivedi ji, > I looked at Japanese charts. There are actually several Yokohamas in Japan, so I picked one with avg lo+lat. > Based on my knowledge, I would say that this man had a difficult childhood, and lost his father early. Perhaps, his mother as well. > He is patriotic, intellegent, should be able to defeat his enemies. But he is not steady. Regarless of profession, he is an astute politician + deal maker. But does not hold to his $. So inheritance, and other $ come and go. And $ could be big (Ju trines Mo in 4th and Picses). But he may even consciously give his wealth away. He is likely to be spiritual, a buddhist? And probably travels a lot. > But he can also be aggressive and pitiless. > He may never marry, but has many relationships instead. Or, he has many wives / mistresses. He has a son. > But he does not live long. His health is fragile since childhood. Actually,it may improve later in life. > Ve dasa would give him many opportunities. Sun dasa could be important professionally, but he may lose his father, have spiritual experiences, travel. Bad for his life? Moon dasa would be good for $ but difficult for family. Mars would be good for business and children. > Now in Shastiamsa, Sa, his atma karaka is in moolatrikona but in 3rd (lots of fighting and challenges?) I don't know how to interpret this so I am guessing. > His Sun is in 9th in leo - he has great mentor and or great father? > Venus is in 10th in Virgo - not too good for overall success? Ju, ruler of lagna there in 7th - is it as bad as it would have been in Rasi chart? > Without a guidance to interpretation, i feel like a blind kitten, guessing more than anything. I don't know how to interpret vargas, only how to judge the strength of planets thru them. > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Zhar ji, > > Noice th follwoing path which we ignore as of now in this thread: > ================================================================= > Actually, there is a long way to go before taking up D60 > systematically. > 1) It should be clarified how 7-fold approach applies to Divisions > 2) It should be clarified how those general rules can be applied to > R x 60 = D60 as well. (Here all signs gets the lordship for D60 > vargs). This done following the Dwadasa varga scheam. > 3) Then it should be clarified whether the Shadvargadhipa lord ship > determination style can be applied to D60 or not and whether any > relevant quotes available. If so how to use it. > 4) Now comes the names for D60 amsas given in texts like BPHS and > the Devatas given for them. The question - why a deviation from > Dwadasa varga and Shadvargadhipa scheame is suggested?, should be > clarified. > 5) Then we can explain how to use this unique 3rd method (R x 60 & > Vargadhipa scheams being the other two), i.e. Amsa names & Devatas to > be used in practical astrology. > Any effort to use or understand first taking the 5th point is > nothing but an erroneous path in a systematic approach & lact of > understanding of ancient indian astrolgy. When we reach up to D60 > all the 4 points (above the 5th) should be clear to us by then. > > Many took the 5th point and struggled without benefit – till date; > and it will contiue here as well..lol.. But if some one really want > to do that let him - and we are all ready to co-operate... > ======================================================= > Now you know where you are - so start from there, i.e. without even > knowing the meaning of D60 names.. - The meaning of words and the > results they point to. Also note that PT and you are the teachers to > us in this regard - and we are just the students.. So proceed > bravely - and a chart of an individual from Japan is there to be > cracked before you like a coconut, to be treated with D60 :=) Clarify > our doubts on D60 - instead of asking them... > > Love, > Sreenadh > > , zhar bird > <blagomot@> wrote: > > > > How can we interpret d-60, if we don't know what each amsa means? > > Can you give us a brief meaning for each? > > I would be very grrateful. > > > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64@> > wrote: > > Let us get starting with the subject....NO point in > rhetoric......or getting personal........expect to see your subject > and context with introduction..etc.... in your next posting.....you > can choose your own chart initially, but you need to replicate the > technique on other blind horoscope as well......hope you appreciate > this point....... > > Expect you to respond to the following: > > a) What is Shastiamsa > > b) Why it is important > > c) What are the inferences once can draw on it > > d) How it is calculated > > e) What is the astro_classics got to say on it i.e. D-60 > > f) When talking or discussing about vargas, first explain how > the varga are to be interpreted with examples > > g) Do you consider D-60 Shastiamsa as a varga or something > different...... > > h) How do you ensure that the birth data that is given to you > is correct or not......{ assuming the birth data given by many > people is correct to their knowledge, with minor variation in minutes > & seconds...} in such cases, what methods or conditions or > combinations are to be checked for its rectification. Explain it > with an example. > > In all the above cases, you may start with your known birth > data....later you MUST test your method on few BLIND HOROSCOPES. > Till then it is considered as a theory......i.e. derived > theory....... > > with regards, > > sreeram srinivas > > Quoting astrology@: > > Dear Sreeram, > > Thanks for your invitation and email. Here is my side to the > story~ > > practise astrology...........as we have read enough of it and let > me known that there are members in this group who have experienced > it much much beyond that you have just mentioned and are very > advanced in spirituality If that is the case than the knowledge > shown in the forum would becommensurate to that spiritual > understanding. i have not seenany sign of that as yet. >- in sheer > practice repeat practice and iti is a strong belief, { scriptures > also mention it explicitly} NOT to mention the experiences unless > instructed by God through his bliss. i believe in God within and > bliss. however my understanding of theterm 'GOD' is different from > > Another example - UNACCEPTABLE statements - BPHS is only 1% of total > astrology. Once again I am misquoted ~ I said the present verison of > BPHS is only 1% of originalversion of Sage Parashra's teachings. > Most of BPHS has been lost in time. What we haveis a tiny fragment. > > You can start with the following birth data posted by a member, > reproduced once again belowMale, 22nd july 1943 at 16.50.00 > Yokohama, Japan > > If I have to teach about Shashtiamsha I would start with the > chart I deem fit. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Prash Trivedi > > Sreeram Srinivas Home : +91 11 2785 1519Cell : +91 98682 31817 > << tech.gif >> www.osfa.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got a little couch potato? > > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Games. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear Zhar ji . The co ordinates for the place of Yokohama is 139" 39' 0 E and 35" 26' 0 N . Now you can do it without much trouble. regrds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Zhar ji,> But where D60 here? The explanations seems like a D(minus)60! > Love,> Sreenadh> > , zhar bird> blagomot@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Trivedi ji,> > I looked at Japanese charts. There are actually several Yokohamas in> Japan, so I picked one with avg lo+lat.> > Based on my knowledge, I would say that this man had a difficult> childhood, and lost his father early. Perhaps, his mother as well. > > He is patriotic, intellegent, should be able to defeat his enemies.> But he is not steady. Regarless of profession, he is an astute> politician + deal maker. But does not hold to his $. So inheritance,> and other $ come and go. And $ could be big (Ju trines Mo in 4th and> Picses). But he may even consciously give his wealth away. He is> likely to be spiritual, a buddhist? And probably travels a lot.> > But he can also be aggressive and pitiless.> > He may never marry, but has many relationships instead. Or, he has> many wives / mistresses. He has a son.> > But he does not live long. His health is fragile since childhood.> Actually,it may improve later in life.> > Ve dasa would give him many opportunities. Sun dasa could be> important professionally, but he may lose his father, have spiritual> experiences, travel. Bad for his life? Moon dasa would be good for $> but difficult for family. Mars would be good for business and children.> > Now in Shastiamsa, Sa, his atma karaka is in moolatrikona but in 3rd> (lots of fighting and challenges?) I don't know how to interpret this> so I am guessing.> > His Sun is in 9th in leo - he has great mentor and or great father?> > Venus is in 10th in Virgo - not too good for overall success? Ju,> ruler of lagna there in 7th - is it as bad as it would have been in> Rasi chart?> > Without a guidance to interpretation, i feel like a blind kitten,> guessing more than anything. I don't know how to interpret vargas,> only how to judge the strength of planets thru them.> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear> Zhar ji,> > > > Noice th follwoing path which we ignore as of now in this thread:> > =================================================================> > Actually, there is a long way to go before taking up D60 > > systematically. > > 1) It should be clarified how 7-fold approach applies to Divisions> > 2) It should be clarified how those general rules can be applied to > > R x 60 = D60 as well. (Here all signs gets the lordship for D60 > > vargs). This done following the Dwadasa varga scheam.> > 3) Then it should be clarified whether the Shadvargadhipa lord ship > > determination style can be applied to D60 or not and whether any > > relevant quotes available. If so how to use it.> > 4) Now comes the names for D60 amsas given in texts like BPHS and > > the Devatas given for them. The question - why a deviation from > > Dwadasa varga and Shadvargadhipa scheame is suggested?, should be > > clarified.> > 5) Then we can explain how to use this unique 3rd method (R x 60 & > > Vargadhipa scheams being the other two), i.e. Amsa names & Devatas to > > be used in practical astrology.> > Any effort to use or understand first taking the 5th point is > > nothing but an erroneous path in a systematic approach & lact of > > understanding of ancient indian astrolgy. When we reach up to D60 > > all the 4 points (above the 5th) should be clear to us by then. > > > > Many took the 5th point and struggled without benefit – till date; > > and it will contiue here as well..lol.. But if some one really want > > to do that let him - and we are all ready to co-operate... > > =======================================================> > Now you know where you are - so start from there, i.e. without even > > knowing the meaning of D60 names.. - The meaning of words and the > > results they point to. Also note that PT and you are the teachers to > > us in this regard - and we are just the students.. So proceed > > bravely - and a chart of an individual from Japan is there to be > > cracked before you like a coconut, to be treated with D60 :=) Clarify > > our doubts on D60 - instead of asking them... > > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , zhar bird > > <blagomot@> wrote:> > >> > > How can we interpret d-60, if we don't know what each amsa means?> > > Can you give us a brief meaning for each? > > > I would be very grrateful.> > > > > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64@> > > wrote: > > > Let us get starting with the subject....NO point in > > rhetoric......or getting personal........expect to see your subject > > and context with introduction..etc.... in your next posting.....you > > can choose your own chart initially, but you need to replicate the > > technique on other blind horoscope as well......hope you appreciate > > this point.......> > > Expect you to respond to the following:> > > a) What is Shastiamsa> > > b) Why it is important> > > c) What are the inferences once can draw on it> > > d) How it is calculated> > > e) What is the astro_classics got to say on it i.e. D-60> > > f) When talking or discussing about vargas, first explain how > > the varga are to be interpreted with examples> > > g) Do you consider D-60 Shastiamsa as a varga or something > > different......> > > h) How do you ensure that the birth data that is given to you > > is correct or not......{ assuming the birth data given by many > > people is correct to their knowledge, with minor variation in minutes > > & seconds...} in such cases, what methods or conditions or > > combinations are to be checked for its rectification. Explain it > > with an example. > > > In all the above cases, you may start with your known birth > > data....later you MUST test your method on few BLIND HOROSCOPES. > > Till then it is considered as a theory......i.e. derived > > theory.......> > > with regards,> > > sreeram srinivas > > > Quoting astrology@:> > > Dear Sreeram, > > > Thanks for your invitation and email. Here is my side to the > > story~ > > > practise astrology...........as we have read enough of it and let > > me known that there are members in this group who have experienced > > it much much beyond that you have just mentioned and are very > > advanced in spirituality If that is the case than the knowledge > > shown in the forum would becommensurate to that spiritual > > understanding. i have not seenany sign of that as yet. >- in sheer > > practice repeat practice and iti is a strong belief, { scriptures > > also mention it explicitly} NOT to mention the experiences unless > > instructed by God through his bliss. i believe in God within and > > bliss. however my understanding of theterm 'GOD' is different from > > > Another example - UNACCEPTABLE statements - BPHS is only 1% of total > > astrology. Once again I am misquoted ~ I said the present verison of > > BPHS is only 1% of originalversion of Sage Parashra's teachings. > > Most of BPHS has been lost in time. What we haveis a tiny fragment.> > > You can start with the following birth data posted by a member, > > reproduced once again belowMale, 22nd july 1943 at 16.50.00 > > Yokohama, Japan > > > If I have to teach about Shashtiamsha I would start with the > > chart I deem fit. > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Prash Trivedi> > > Sreeram Srinivas Home : +91 11 2785 1519Cell : +91 98682 31817 > > << tech.gif >> www.osfa.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got a little couch potato? > > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.> > Play Sims Stories at Games.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 It appears that our friend Mr. Prakash Trivedi -purported to be an acclaimed person with tons of astro secrets has suddently disappeared or simply not interested to share his knowledgebase with others. It is over a week that he has posted anything in the forum. While we wait another fortnight, before we wrap up claims of Mr. Prakash Trivedi, let me caution the members here that there are many instances of astrologers and spiritual gurus getting accolades in West who are new to this subject, consider everything said to be true....for they have very open mind, lack of knowledgebase on sanskrit, which it would take ages for a westerner to learn for this Gods Language has its basis in the daily living and not so easy to grasp the language living in USA. On the subject of Shastiamsa, Mr. Prakash Trivedi has jumped the subject, reflects his immaturity. He got confused with Planet degrees and amsa. {Refer his response to Sreenadh's query on Signs+ amsa or Planets+amsa..}. I happened to browse the websites owned and maintained by Mr. Prakash Trivedi {my guess ....going by the content therein...correct me if my judgement is wrong}, where he mentions his gothra and great lineage. He is NOT aware that many other Indians also have great lineage and legacy to boast off...but in terms of real contribution....they stand at ground zero or below that. Political Example: Mahatma Gandhi ideals are represented by Ms. Sonia Gandhi at the recently held UN function, who does NOT know " I " in India's founding fatherMahatma Gandhi. Moreover, she has ABSOLUTELY NO relation with founding father even to the remote logics, except for the surname. Infact this " surname transfer " happened with Mrs. Indira Gandhi, for certain reasons - beyond the subject purview of this group. Unless one has some sound contributions to the knowledge or society, one should stop taking credit of one's lineage. Coming to the issue of a member writing for an apology on - brahmin slurs..etc., let us not forget that it each community is responsible for current state of affairs. " The past cast shadows present " . " Present lives in the shadows of future " . Unless we breakaway, the rules will remain. Even today Germany has to bear the negativism assigned by a single name of Adolf Hitler. Similarly, the brahmins proclaiming to be guardians of secret knowledge, could not guard the sacred nadis,...they are lost forever. Who are we to blame now..?? Had the knowledge shared across the community, the possibility of its regaining its past glory are more. It is the " gunas " which differentiates or makes a person brahmin. The so called " Nairs " in this group have been spreading knowledge, much better than self proclaimed " Guru " like Mr. Prakash Trivedi who is very proud of being a brahim of Bharadwaj Gothra. This trivedi charges US $$ & yearns to patent his knowledge - if one were to delve into his psychic - given in his earlier mail on Jupiter dasha & patenting.....- An irrelevant statement by him...linking Jupiter dasha, fame & patenting.....= what a contrast by this brahmin - who appears to be hardcore materialistic, could be example of current generation {excuse me of this general statement}...etc.. The main controversies of Astrology in general- a) Which event of birth process -is the time of epoch {conception, umblical cord cutting, cry of the newborn..etc.} b) Vargas or Divisional Charts { different school of thoughts} c) Aspects - traditional parashara and jamini, {many kichidi techniques available where mix of traditions is seen as a value and practised with aplomb !! } d) Techniques of applying Ashtakvarga e) Exaltation, Debilitation in birth chart & amsa positions.... f) Retrograde exaltation & debilitation..... g) Combustion of planets....Jupiter & Saturn combustion or Mercury combustion...{differences of opinion...} many such more....in each case, one difference on a subject...leads to many variations in level 2..3...etc.. So it is essential what is given in astro classics first,then members can frame their own opinions accordingly. Conclusion: Let us wait for another 15 days, hoping Mr. Prakash Trivedi comes up with his " gems " before we write him off with dignity and proceed with our agenda. with regards, sreeram srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Some meaningful verses from Dhammapada for anyone who can spare a few minutes to learn who a real Brahmin is: Not birth or lineage that makes a Brahmin but the actions..... " Whoever does no wrong in body, speech, heart, is restrained in these three ways: he's what I call a brahman. Not by matted hair, by clan, or by birth, is one a brahman. Whoever has truth & rectitude: he is a pure one, he, a brahman. I don't call one a brahman for being born of a mother or sprung from a womb. He's called a 'bho-sayer' if he has anything at all. But someone with nothing, who clings to no thing: he's what I call a brahman He endures — unangered — insult, assault, & imprisonment. His army is strength; his strength, forbearance: he's what I call a brahman. Free from anger, duties observed, principled, with no overbearing pride, trained, a 'last-body': he's what I call a brahman Like water on a lotus leaf, a mustard seed on the tip of an awl, he doesn't adhere to sensual pleasures: he's what I call a brahman. Uncontaminated by householders & houseless ones alike; living with no home, with next to no wants: he's what I call a brahman. Having put aside violence against beings fearful or firm, he neither kills nor gets others to kill: he's what I call a brahman. He endures — unangered — insult, assault, & imprisonment. His army is strength; his strength, forbearance: he's what I call a brahman. " blessings Renu , " Sre_eram " <sreeram64 wrote: > > It appears that our friend Mr. Prakash Trivedi -purported to be an > acclaimed person with tons of astro secrets has suddently > disappeared or simply not interested to share his knowledgebase with > others. > > It is over a week that he has posted anything in the forum. While > we wait another fortnight, before we wrap up claims of Mr. Prakash > Trivedi, let me caution the members here that there are many > instances of astrologers and spiritual gurus getting accolades in > West who are new to this subject, consider everything said to be > true....for they have very open mind, lack of knowledgebase on > sanskrit, which it would take ages for a westerner to learn for this > Gods Language has its basis in the daily living and not so easy to > grasp the language living in USA. > > On the subject of Shastiamsa, Mr. Prakash Trivedi has jumped the > subject, reflects his immaturity. He got confused with Planet > degrees and amsa. {Refer his response to Sreenadh's query on Signs+ > amsa or Planets+amsa..}. > > I happened to browse the websites owned and maintained by Mr. > Prakash Trivedi {my guess ....going by the content > therein...correct me if my judgement is wrong}, where he mentions > his gothra and great lineage. He is NOT aware that many other > Indians also have great lineage and legacy to boast off...but in > terms of real contribution....they stand at ground zero or below > that. > > Political Example: Mahatma Gandhi ideals are represented by Ms. > Sonia Gandhi at the recently held UN function, who does NOT > know " I " in India's founding fatherMahatma Gandhi. Moreover, she > has ABSOLUTELY NO relation with founding father even to the remote > logics, except for the surname. > Infact this " surname transfer " happened with Mrs. Indira Gandhi, for > certain reasons - beyond the subject purview of this group. > > Unless one has some sound contributions to the knowledge or society, > one should stop taking credit of one's lineage. > > Coming to the issue of a member writing for an apology on - brahmin > slurs..etc., let us not forget that it each community is > responsible for current state of affairs. " The past cast shadows > present " . " Present lives in the shadows of future " . Unless we > breakaway, the rules will remain. > > Even today Germany has to bear the negativism assigned by a single > name of Adolf Hitler. Similarly, the brahmins proclaiming to be > guardians of secret knowledge, could not guard the sacred > nadis,...they are lost forever. Who are we to blame now..?? Had > the knowledge shared across the community, the possibility of its > regaining its past glory are more. > > It is the " gunas " which differentiates or makes a person brahmin. > The so called " Nairs " in this group have been spreading knowledge, > much better than self proclaimed " Guru " like Mr. Prakash Trivedi who > is very proud of being a brahim of Bharadwaj Gothra. This trivedi > charges US $$ & yearns to patent his knowledge - if one were to > delve into his psychic - given in his earlier mail on Jupiter dasha > & patenting.....- An irrelevant statement by him...linking Jupiter > dasha, fame & patenting.....= what a contrast by this brahmin - who > appears to be hardcore materialistic, could be example of current > generation {excuse me of this general statement}...etc.. > > The main controversies of Astrology in general- > a) Which event of birth process -is the time of epoch {conception, > umblical cord cutting, cry of the newborn..etc.} > > b) Vargas or Divisional Charts { different school of thoughts} > c) Aspects - traditional parashara and jamini, {many kichidi > techniques available where mix of traditions is seen as a value and > practised with aplomb !! } > d) Techniques of applying Ashtakvarga > e) Exaltation, Debilitation in birth chart & amsa positions.... > f) Retrograde exaltation & debilitation..... > g) Combustion of planets....Jupiter & Saturn combustion or Mercury > combustion...{differences of opinion...} > > many such more....in each case, one difference on a subject...leads > to many variations in level 2..3...etc.. > > So it is essential what is given in astro classics first,then > members can frame their own opinions accordingly. > > Conclusion: > Let us wait for another 15 days, hoping Mr. Prakash Trivedi comes up > with his " gems " before we write him off with dignity and proceed > with our agenda. > > with regards, > sreeram srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Dear Renu ji, Beautiful!! Thanks a lot. Love, Sreenadh , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Some meaningful verses from Dhammapada for anyone who can spare a > few minutes to learn who a real Brahmin is: Not birth or lineage > that makes a Brahmin but the actions..... > > " Whoever does no wrong > in body, > speech, > heart, > is restrained in these three ways: > he's what I call > a brahman. > > > Not by matted hair, > by clan, or by birth, > is one a brahman. > Whoever has truth > & rectitude: > he is a pure one, > he, a brahman. > > > I don't call one a brahman > for being born of a mother > or sprung from a womb. > He's called a 'bho-sayer' > if he has anything at all. > But someone with nothing, > who clings to no thing: > he's what I call > a brahman > > He endures — unangered — > insult, assault, & imprisonment. > His army is strength; > his strength, forbearance: > he's what I call > a brahman. > > > > Free from anger, > duties observed, > principled, with no overbearing pride, > trained, a 'last-body': > he's what I call > a brahman > > > > Like water on a lotus leaf, > a mustard seed on the tip of an awl, > he doesn't adhere to sensual pleasures: > he's what I call > a brahman. > > > > Uncontaminated > by householders > & houseless ones alike; > living with no home, > with next to no wants: > he's what I call > a brahman. > > > > Having put aside violence > against beings fearful or firm, > he neither kills nor > gets others to kill: > he's what I call > a brahman. > > > He endures — unangered — > insult, assault, & imprisonment. > His army is strength; > his strength, forbearance: > he's what I call > a brahman. " > > blessings > > Renu > , " Sre_eram " > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > It appears that our friend Mr. Prakash Trivedi -purported to be an > > acclaimed person with tons of astro secrets has suddently > > disappeared or simply not interested to share his knowledgebase > with > > others. > > > > It is over a week that he has posted anything in the forum. While > > we wait another fortnight, before we wrap up claims of Mr. Prakash > > Trivedi, let me caution the members here that there are many > > instances of astrologers and spiritual gurus getting accolades in > > West who are new to this subject, consider everything said to be > > true....for they have very open mind, lack of knowledgebase on > > sanskrit, which it would take ages for a westerner to learn for > this > > Gods Language has its basis in the daily living and not so easy to > > grasp the language living in USA. > > > > On the subject of Shastiamsa, Mr. Prakash Trivedi has jumped the > > subject, reflects his immaturity. He got confused with Planet > > degrees and amsa. {Refer his response to Sreenadh's query on > Signs+ > > amsa or Planets+amsa..}. > > > > I happened to browse the websites owned and maintained by Mr. > > Prakash Trivedi {my guess ....going by the content > > therein...correct me if my judgement is wrong}, where he mentions > > his gothra and great lineage. He is NOT aware that many other > > Indians also have great lineage and legacy to boast off...but in > > terms of real contribution....they stand at ground zero or below > > that. > > > > Political Example: Mahatma Gandhi ideals are represented by Ms. > > Sonia Gandhi at the recently held UN function, who does NOT > > know " I " in India's founding fatherMahatma Gandhi. Moreover, she > > has ABSOLUTELY NO relation with founding father even to the remote > > logics, except for the surname. > > Infact this " surname transfer " happened with Mrs. Indira Gandhi, > for > > certain reasons - beyond the subject purview of this group. > > > > Unless one has some sound contributions to the knowledge or > society, > > one should stop taking credit of one's lineage. > > > > Coming to the issue of a member writing for an apology on - > brahmin > > slurs..etc., let us not forget that it each community is > > responsible for current state of affairs. " The past cast shadows > > present " . " Present lives in the shadows of future " . Unless we > > breakaway, the rules will remain. > > > > Even today Germany has to bear the negativism assigned by a single > > name of Adolf Hitler. Similarly, the brahmins proclaiming to be > > guardians of secret knowledge, could not guard the sacred > > nadis,...they are lost forever. Who are we to blame now..?? Had > > the knowledge shared across the community, the possibility of its > > regaining its past glory are more. > > > > It is the " gunas " which differentiates or makes a person brahmin. > > The so called " Nairs " in this group have been spreading knowledge, > > much better than self proclaimed " Guru " like Mr. Prakash Trivedi > who > > is very proud of being a brahim of Bharadwaj Gothra. This trivedi > > charges US $$ & yearns to patent his knowledge - if one were to > > delve into his psychic - given in his earlier mail on Jupiter > dasha > > & patenting.....- An irrelevant statement by him...linking > Jupiter > > dasha, fame & patenting.....= what a contrast by this brahmin - > who > > appears to be hardcore materialistic, could be example of current > > generation {excuse me of this general statement}...etc.. > > > > The main controversies of Astrology in general- > > a) Which event of birth process -is the time of epoch {conception, > > umblical cord cutting, cry of the newborn..etc.} > > > > b) Vargas or Divisional Charts { different school of thoughts} > > c) Aspects - traditional parashara and jamini, {many kichidi > > techniques available where mix of traditions is seen as a value > and > > practised with aplomb !! } > > d) Techniques of applying Ashtakvarga > > e) Exaltation, Debilitation in birth chart & amsa positions.... > > f) Retrograde exaltation & debilitation..... > > g) Combustion of planets....Jupiter & Saturn combustion or Mercury > > combustion...{differences of opinion...} > > > > many such more....in each case, one difference on a > subject...leads > > to many variations in level 2..3...etc.. > > > > So it is essential what is given in astro classics first,then > > members can frame their own opinions accordingly. > > > > Conclusion: > > Let us wait for another 15 days, hoping Mr. Prakash Trivedi comes > up > > with his " gems " before we write him off with dignity and proceed > > with our agenda. > > > > with regards, > > sreeram srinivas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Thanks Sreenadh ji...I am happy that you liked it. blessings Renu , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > Beautiful!! Thanks a lot. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Some meaningful verses from Dhammapada for anyone who can spare a > > few minutes to learn who a real Brahmin is: Not birth or lineage > > that makes a Brahmin but the actions..... > > > > " Whoever does no wrong > > in body, > > speech, > > heart, > > is restrained in these three ways: > > he's what I call > > a brahman. > > > > > > Not by matted hair, > > by clan, or by birth, > > is one a brahman. > > Whoever has truth > > & rectitude: > > he is a pure one, > > he, a brahman. > > > > > > I don't call one a brahman > > for being born of a mother > > or sprung from a womb. > > He's called a 'bho-sayer' > > if he has anything at all. > > But someone with nothing, > > who clings to no thing: > > he's what I call > > a brahman > > > > He endures — unangered — > > insult, assault, & imprisonment. > > His army is strength; > > his strength, forbearance: > > he's what I call > > a brahman. > > > > > > > > Free from anger, > > duties observed, > > principled, with no overbearing pride, > > trained, a 'last-body': > > he's what I call > > a brahman > > > > > > > > Like water on a lotus leaf, > > a mustard seed on the tip of an awl, > > he doesn't adhere to sensual pleasures: > > he's what I call > > a brahman. > > > > > > > > Uncontaminated > > by householders > > & houseless ones alike; > > living with no home, > > with next to no wants: > > he's what I call > > a brahman. > > > > > > > > Having put aside violence > > against beings fearful or firm, > > he neither kills nor > > gets others to kill: > > he's what I call > > a brahman. > > > > > > He endures — unangered — > > insult, assault, & imprisonment. > > His army is strength; > > his strength, forbearance: > > he's what I call > > a brahman. " > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sre_eram " > > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > It appears that our friend Mr. Prakash Trivedi -purported to be an > > > acclaimed person with tons of astro secrets has suddently > > > disappeared or simply not interested to share his knowledgebase > > with > > > others. > > > > > > It is over a week that he has posted anything in the forum. While > > > we wait another fortnight, before we wrap up claims of Mr. Prakash > > > Trivedi, let me caution the members here that there are many > > > instances of astrologers and spiritual gurus getting accolades in > > > West who are new to this subject, consider everything said to be > > > true....for they have very open mind, lack of knowledgebase on > > > sanskrit, which it would take ages for a westerner to learn for > > this > > > Gods Language has its basis in the daily living and not so easy to > > > grasp the language living in USA. > > > > > > On the subject of Shastiamsa, Mr. Prakash Trivedi has jumped the > > > subject, reflects his immaturity. He got confused with Planet > > > degrees and amsa. {Refer his response to Sreenadh's query on > > Signs+ > > > amsa or Planets+amsa..}. > > > > > > I happened to browse the websites owned and maintained by Mr. > > > Prakash Trivedi {my guess ....going by the content > > > therein...correct me if my judgement is wrong}, where he mentions > > > his gothra and great lineage. He is NOT aware that many other > > > Indians also have great lineage and legacy to boast off...but in > > > terms of real contribution....they stand at ground zero or below > > > that. > > > > > > Political Example: Mahatma Gandhi ideals are represented by Ms. > > > Sonia Gandhi at the recently held UN function, who does NOT > > > know " I " in India's founding fatherMahatma Gandhi. Moreover, she > > > has ABSOLUTELY NO relation with founding father even to the remote > > > logics, except for the surname. > > > Infact this " surname transfer " happened with Mrs. Indira Gandhi, > > for > > > certain reasons - beyond the subject purview of this group. > > > > > > Unless one has some sound contributions to the knowledge or > > society, > > > one should stop taking credit of one's lineage. > > > > > > Coming to the issue of a member writing for an apology on - > > brahmin > > > slurs..etc., let us not forget that it each community is > > > responsible for current state of affairs. " The past cast shadows > > > present " . " Present lives in the shadows of future " . Unless we > > > breakaway, the rules will remain. > > > > > > Even today Germany has to bear the negativism assigned by a single > > > name of Adolf Hitler. Similarly, the brahmins proclaiming to be > > > guardians of secret knowledge, could not guard the sacred > > > nadis,...they are lost forever. Who are we to blame now..?? Had > > > the knowledge shared across the community, the possibility of its > > > regaining its past glory are more. > > > > > > It is the " gunas " which differentiates or makes a person brahmin. > > > The so called " Nairs " in this group have been spreading knowledge, > > > much better than self proclaimed " Guru " like Mr. Prakash Trivedi > > who > > > is very proud of being a brahim of Bharadwaj Gothra. This trivedi > > > charges US $$ & yearns to patent his knowledge - if one were to > > > delve into his psychic - given in his earlier mail on Jupiter > > dasha > > > & patenting.....- An irrelevant statement by him...linking > > Jupiter > > > dasha, fame & patenting.....= what a contrast by this brahmin - > > who > > > appears to be hardcore materialistic, could be example of current > > > generation {excuse me of this general statement}...etc.. > > > > > > The main controversies of Astrology in general- > > > a) Which event of birth process -is the time of epoch {conception, > > > umblical cord cutting, cry of the newborn..etc.} > > > > > > b) Vargas or Divisional Charts { different school of thoughts} > > > c) Aspects - traditional parashara and jamini, {many kichidi > > > techniques available where mix of traditions is seen as a value > > and > > > practised with aplomb !! } > > > d) Techniques of applying Ashtakvarga > > > e) Exaltation, Debilitation in birth chart & amsa positions.... > > > f) Retrograde exaltation & debilitation..... > > > g) Combustion of planets....Jupiter & Saturn combustion or Mercury > > > combustion...{differences of opinion...} > > > > > > many such more....in each case, one difference on a > > subject...leads > > > to many variations in level 2..3...etc.. > > > > > > So it is essential what is given in astro classics first,then > > > members can frame their own opinions accordingly. > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > Let us wait for another 15 days, hoping Mr. Prakash Trivedi comes > > up > > > with his " gems " before we write him off with dignity and proceed > > > with our agenda. > > > > > > with regards, > > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Dear Mr. Sreeram, A mail well written. The various conflicting issues that are there need to be understood. As you mentioned what do various classical works say about them? In what context? How do we interpret them? I know of a horoscope where Mars is combust within 6' (mins of arc). Mars is exalted and has Digbala. Exalted Jupiter is aspecting this combination. Mars is lagnalord - which is evident based on above data. How to interpret such a case? These are the types of questions we must be able to face with confidence, rather than explain the events after they occur.. Regards,udupa On 10/7/07, Sre_eram <sreeram64 wrote: It appears that our friend Mr. Prakash Trivedi -purported to be an acclaimed person with tons of astro secrets has suddently disappeared or simply not interested to share his knowledgebase with others. It is over a week that he has posted anything in the forum. While we wait another fortnight, before we wrap up claims of Mr. Prakash Trivedi, let me caution the members here that there are many instances of astrologers and spiritual gurus getting accolades in West who are new to this subject, consider everything said to be true....for they have very open mind, lack of knowledgebase on sanskrit, which it would take ages for a westerner to learn for this Gods Language has its basis in the daily living and not so easy to grasp the language living in USA. On the subject of Shastiamsa, Mr. Prakash Trivedi has jumped the subject, reflects his immaturity. He got confused with Planet degrees and amsa. {Refer his response to Sreenadh's query on Signs+ amsa or Planets+amsa..}. I happened to browse the websites owned and maintained by Mr. Prakash Trivedi {my guess ....going by the content therein...correct me if my judgement is wrong}, where he mentions his gothra and great lineage. He is NOT aware that many other Indians also have great lineage and legacy to boast off...but in terms of real contribution....they stand at ground zero or below that. Political Example: Mahatma Gandhi ideals are represented by Ms. Sonia Gandhi at the recently held UN function, who does NOT know " I " in India's founding fatherMahatma Gandhi. Moreover, she has ABSOLUTELY NO relation with founding father even to the remote logics, except for the surname. Infact this " surname transfer " happened with Mrs. Indira Gandhi, for certain reasons - beyond the subject purview of this group. Unless one has some sound contributions to the knowledge or society, one should stop taking credit of one's lineage. Coming to the issue of a member writing for an apology on - brahmin slurs..etc., let us not forget that it each community is responsible for current state of affairs. " The past cast shadows present " . " Present lives in the shadows of future " . Unless we breakaway, the rules will remain. Even today Germany has to bear the negativism assigned by a single name of Adolf Hitler. Similarly, the brahmins proclaiming to be guardians of secret knowledge, could not guard the sacred nadis,...they are lost forever. Who are we to blame now..?? Had the knowledge shared across the community, the possibility of its regaining its past glory are more. It is the " gunas " which differentiates or makes a person brahmin. The so called " Nairs " in this group have been spreading knowledge, much better than self proclaimed " Guru " like Mr. Prakash Trivedi who is very proud of being a brahim of Bharadwaj Gothra. This trivedi charges US $$ & yearns to patent his knowledge - if one were to delve into his psychic - given in his earlier mail on Jupiter dasha & patenting.....- An irrelevant statement by him...linking Jupiter dasha, fame & patenting.....= what a contrast by this brahmin - who appears to be hardcore materialistic, could be example of current generation {excuse me of this general statement}...etc.. The main controversies of Astrology in general- a) Which event of birth process -is the time of epoch {conception, umblical cord cutting, cry of the newborn..etc.} b) Vargas or Divisional Charts { different school of thoughts} c) Aspects - traditional parashara and jamini, {many kichidi techniques available where mix of traditions is seen as a value and practised with aplomb !! } d) Techniques of applying Ashtakvarga e) Exaltation, Debilitation in birth chart & amsa positions.... f) Retrograde exaltation & debilitation..... g) Combustion of planets....Jupiter & Saturn combustion or Mercury combustion...{differences of opinion...} many such more....in each case, one difference on a subject...leads to many variations in level 2..3...etc.. So it is essential what is given in astro classics first,then members can frame their own opinions accordingly. Conclusion: Let us wait for another 15 days, hoping Mr. Prakash Trivedi comes up with his " gems " before we write him off with dignity and proceed with our agenda. with regards, sreeram srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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