L-n in H-n & Variables

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This has reference to exchange between Sreeram and Renu on L1 going to H2. Sreeram says the result is the native is money-minded. Obvious, but. An allied result is pronounced by classics, namely 'wealth to the native'. L1 in H2 is not supposed to make the native penurious. But several yogas indicating penury and/or lucklessness will leave their stamp and the L1 in H2 can't do a thing. Which is why I wrote this in my Sept 14 posting: "...But we have to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration" is this. When we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as yet), we have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience emanating from other configurations/ patterns and a bhavashraya phala of a house lord. That is how we correctly validate the

derivation..." In as much as Lagna carries with it the self, therefore, awareness -- being 'so-minded', depending on the house it is that harbours the L1, is understandable. In this case, it is H2, the house for wealth. If not 'money-minded', the native can be said to be too conscious of the importance of money. Thus Sreeram's derivation is based on the logic that L1 makes the native so-minded. That is, the native is too conscious of the importance of that thing in his life. Take L1 in 7th. The native would be too conscious of the importance of sex and sexual partner/spouse. The standard reading is stree-aasakta. This so-minded principle also operates w.r.t. Moon going to a particular house. [ Take Cancer ascendant. Moon going to 7th house (ie Capri) locks in the theme (our

reading). Convergence of clues is a weak enunciation of what is happening in this example. ] Even then we have to allow for anything else that obtains in the chart that contradicts as strongly as the 'L1 in a house' indicates. And this is apart from the three factors Sreeram lists. One, say, L1 as Sat in 7th is not the same as Moon or Ven as L1 in 7th. Second, what other lord L1 is. In reading unalloyed results into L1 in H2 we have to ensure that the other lordship (for 10 lagnas) is not very unlike. Only then can we proceed with unalloyed reading of L-n in Hn. But that luxury is not allowed. And as for sign in which this bhavasraya is taking place, well, that goes without saying. Dear friends, we haven't that luxury. That pristine reading, rule for rule reading. But, and this is an important but in this thread of discussion (started by Sreenadh),

that is only way to go about it. We have to proceed along rules in single files. L-n in H-n. We integrate the other variables (pointed out, for instance, by Sreeram) into the derivatiopns. Variable w.r.t. L-n in H-n. Not that 'L-n in H-n' becomes a constant. And then the points I made on Sept 14, excerpted above. To round off, pristine derivation is a myth when it is faced with validation form actual charts. But there are no 'composite rule' paths for us to tread. The composition is in the art of synthesis. The act of unravelling which we have taken upon ourselves is a bitter task. Not the act of symphony composition. Because we are going, as it were, in reverse. We are unpicking the structures that go into making a piece of prediction which is put together through the art of synthesis. RK sreeram

srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: The variation to the prediction based on the LL in various houses, undergo achange or modifications, based on the planets constituting the Lagna Lord,ownership of houses, Sign in which it is placed. Will use this example inthe discussions later. Kindly mention the Lagna Signs of the quotedexample. Is it Cancer or Sagattarius or Pisces ??With regards,Sreeram srinivas -owner [-owner ] On Behalf Of renunwSunday, September 23, 2007 1:51 AM-owner Subject: Re: Bhavat_Bhavam & LL PlacementsDear Sreeram ji,Thanks for an interesting posting...especially taking houses in pairs andsharing your research knowledge with others.Since your observations are based on real horoscopes and real people ...Iwould say that I cannot agree with the following:"LL in 2H = The native is money minded { I have seen well off people in their 70's worrying about their properties, inspite ofdividing the property during

their time,...."In a real life case, husband and wife both have thier LLs in 2H but neverever keep anything for themselves. Instead everything is distributed notonly among their children but among others too! Can these natives be calledmoney minded? Sure, other planetary placements may have an explanation tothis exception to your observation. May be you have a better explanation...But a special feature in this couple is that they are 1st cousins if thathas to do anything with LL placed in 2H.blessingsRenu

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That is a good point. ==>Thus Sreeram's derivation is based on the logic that L1 makes the native so-minded. That is, the native is too conscious of the importance of that thing in his life. Take L1 in 7th. The native would be too conscious of the importance of sex and sexual partner/spouse. The standard reading is stree-aasakta.This so-minded principle also operates w.r.t. Moon going to a particular house. [ Take Cancer ascendant. Moon going to 7th house (ie Capri) locks in the theme (our reading). Convergence of clues is a weak enunciation of what is happening in this example. ] <==Rule: The LL in any house makes the native so-minded (Eg. 2nd:mony-minded; 3rd:valor-minded;4th:affection-minded;5th:intelligence-minded and so on)! That is a cute rule and terminology - worth testing! At first view - I agree with it. But would like to point to some important ideas we should keep in mind while dealing with House Base derivations. Look at the following example -

LL in 5th : Purely based on 'House Base technique' it should give the result "Good Children". And that is the derivation we should expect from the people who are trying to master 'House Base technique' and that IS the RIGHT DERIVATION as per rule. Now coming to actual experience note that some houses has specialities related to 5th house. For example - 1) Lagna Lord of Cancer in 5th is in its sign of Debilitation2) Lagna lord of Taurus in 5th is in its sign of Debilitation and so on.

Some how in the case of all houses, the LL will have some association with house of death or misery (8th or 12th) or with debilitation. Thus in essence the native WILL NOT get as much expected/predicted good results from children. But this is a modification (in derivation) we will address - and NOT of consideration here, while discussing House Base derivation technique. As of now for us only the derivation - "The native will have children" is valid and the modification "those children - especially the first one - may have an untimely death" is NOT important; since we are dealing with House Base system alone as of now.

As RK ji pointed out it could be termed "That pristine reading, rule for rule reading" But as he again points out "this is important but in this thread of discussion, that is only way to go about it", because we are learning the to apply the basic rules systematically, and not trying to predict for some one as of now. Some of the modified results (modified by signs or planets) may not be reflected in it, but for sure what is reflected (house base) would be true for sure, even though may not be up to 100% due to the above mentioned modifications

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Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote:>> This has reference to exchange between Sreeram and Renu on L1 going to H2.> > Sreeram says the result is the native is money-minded. Obvious, but. > > An allied result is pronounced by classics, namely 'wealth to the native'. L1 in H2 is not supposed to make the native penurious. But several yogas indicating penury and/or lucklessness will leave their stamp and the L1 in H2 can't do a thing. Which is why I wrote this in my Sept 14 posting: > > "...But we have to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration" is this. When we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as yet), we have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience emanating from other configurations/ patterns and a bhavashraya phala of a house lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation..."> > In as much as Lagna carries with it the self, therefore, awareness -- being 'so-minded', depending on the house it is that harbours the L1, is understandable. In this case, it is H2, the house for wealth. If not 'money-minded', the native can be said to be too conscious of the importance of money. > > Thus Sreeram's derivation is based on the logic that L1 makes the native so-minded. That is, the native is too conscious of the importance of that thing in his life. Take L1 in 7th. The native would be too conscious of the importance of sex and sexual partner/spouse. The standard reading is stree-aasakta.> > This so-minded principle also operates w.r.t. Moon going to a particular house. > > [ Take Cancer ascendant. Moon going to 7th house (ie Capri) locks in the theme (our reading). Convergence of clues is a weak enunciation of what is happening in this example. ] > > > Even then we have to allow for anything else that obtains in the chart that contradicts as strongly as the 'L1 in a house' indicates. And this is apart from the three factors Sreeram lists. One, say, L1 as Sat in 7th is not the same as Moon or Ven as L1 in 7th. > > Second, what other lord L1 is. In reading unalloyed results into L1 in H2 we have to ensure that the other lordship (for 10 lagnas) is not very unlike. Only then can we proceed with unalloyed reading of L-n in Hn. But that luxury is not allowed. And as for sign in which this bhavasraya is taking place, well, that goes without saying. > > Dear friends, we haven't that luxury. That pristine reading, rule for rule reading. But, and this is an important but in this thread of discussion (started by Sreenadh), that is only way to go about it. We have to proceed along rules in single files. L-n in H-n. We integrate the other variables (pointed out, for instance, by Sreeram) into the derivatiopns. Variable w.r.t. L-n in H-n. Not that 'L-n in H-n' becomes a constant.> > And then the points I made on Sept 14, excerpted above. > > To round off, pristine derivation is a myth when it is faced with validation form actual charts. But there are no 'composite rule' paths for us to tread. The composition is in the art of synthesis. The act of unravelling which we have taken upon ourselves is a bitter task. Not the act of symphony composition. Because we are going, as it were, in reverse. We are unpicking the structures that go into making a piece of prediction which is put together through the art of synthesis.> > RK> > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:> The variation to the prediction based on the LL in various houses, undergo a> change or modifications, based on the planets constituting the Lagna Lord,> ownership of houses, Sign in which it is placed. Will use this example in> the discussions later. Kindly mention the Lagna Signs of the quoted> example. Is it Cancer or Sagattarius or Pisces ??> > With regards,> Sreeram srinivas > > > -owner > [-owner ] On Behalf Of renunw> Sunday, September 23, 2007 1:51 AM> -owner > Re: Bhavat_Bhavam & LL Placements> > Dear Sreeram ji,> > Thanks for an interesting posting...especially taking houses in pairs and> sharing your research knowledge with others.> > Since your observations are based on real horoscopes and real people ...I> would say that I cannot agree with the following:> > "LL in 2H = The native is money minded { I have seen well > off people in their 70's worrying about their properties, inspite of> dividing the property during their time,...."> > In a real life case, husband and wife both have thier LLs in 2H but never> ever keep anything for themselves. Instead everything is distributed not> only among their children but among others too! Can these natives be called> money minded? Sure, other planetary placements may have an explanation to> this exception to your observation. May be you have a better explanation...> > But a special feature in this couple is that they are 1st cousins if that> has to do anything with LL placed in 2H.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. >