Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Learned Members, It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for Sreenadh Ji's posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! Now i have the following queries for all learned member to provide me an insight into.. Areis Acendant. Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's Nakshatra Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) What are the general indications if you just take this aspect? what it promises in general? Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the despositor of almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house Jupiter+Venus in 11th house Mars in 9th Saturn in 3rd Rahu in 8th Ketu in 2nd Appreciate your comments Regards Chann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Hi, The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can Saturn be the enemy of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ?(Satyacharya's opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as per panchada Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have nothing to say. Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having Dual ownership is placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical with Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again stands for Dharma. Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. The native will be attached to his father . Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery sign . This will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the native is burdened with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to act in the manner , he like Some one will always boss him . Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of sexual organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. Also do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction . The native will also face difficulty in getting his inheritances. Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just after New Moon. Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at afternoon .Sun though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional strength by being in 10th and that is a good point. Best M Nair BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent in more than two language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Dear Learned Members,> > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for Sreenadh Ji's > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!!> > Now i have the following queries for all learned member to provide > me an insight into..> > Areis Acendant.> Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's Nakshatra > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro)> > What are the general indications if you just take this aspect? what > it promises in general?> > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the despositor of > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house> Jupiter+Venus in 11th house> Mars in 9th> Saturn in 3rd> Rahu in 8th> Ketu in 2nd> > Appreciate your comments> > Regards> > Chann> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Dear Sri M. Nair, Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results are not correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart in discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations btwn the Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your comments are taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your further comments are wel-come!:-) //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of Mars.// I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much abt on this i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's only ONE person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of that person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my point:-) //The native will be attached to his father// The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact lots of diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that led to quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the family decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much and willing to do whatever it takes to care him.. Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's Wife who refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But Not his Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events) //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent// you are right i do agree on this reading //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign// Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign you can find lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i shall try and find the link and may post for you here. But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are the results one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently WHEN Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of your findings/readings are wel-come!:-) //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of sexual organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. Also do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.// This is a very interesting point, to tell you the Pratical analysis, Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon after the Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a Number of Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of the opposite Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex drive even after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others including foreigners till today! And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the entire chart then here's the detail DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E Let's discuss further Regards , " Balagurusurya " <balagurusurya wrote: > > > Hi, > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can Saturn be the enemy > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ?(Satyacharya's > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as per panchada > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have nothing to say. > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having Dual ownership is > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical with > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again stands for Dharma. > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. > > The native will be attached to his father . > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the action > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery sign . This > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a positive note, Ju that > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful and some > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in Cn , its > exaltation sign > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the native is burdened > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to act in the manner > , he like Some one will always boss him . > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of sexual > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. Also do > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural zodiac. Ve > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch planet.All this > suggest sexual dysfunction . > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his inheritances. > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just after New Moon. > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at afternoon .Sun > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional strength by > being in 10th and that is a good point. > > Best > > M Nair > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent in more than two > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? , " Chandu2chill " > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for Sreenadh Ji's > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned member to provide > > me an insight into.. > > > > Areis Acendant. > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's Nakshatra > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) > > > > What are the general indications if you just take this aspect? what > > it promises in general? > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the despositor of > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house > > Mars in 9th > > Saturn in 3rd > > Rahu in 8th > > Ketu in 2nd > > > > Appreciate your comments > > > > Regards > > > > Chann > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Hi, At the outset, many Thanks for giving the feedback and that too without any resevations. As a matter of fact, I value such feed back much more ,han text book learning .Here are my comments Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars This time tested , friendly , inimical and hostile relationship ,between the planets, enunciated by Sage Satyacharya , endorsed by Varahamihira,followed by Astrologers of Kerala , for centuries , is mainly , because it corroborates with real life experience . Saturn is uncomfortable in the sign of Mars (Its detriment) Whereas Mars sheds off its propensity to project "Hostility" the key feature , the manifestation of a planet is in its inimical sign , when it is located in the signs of Saturn. Let us remember, Cap is the exaltation sign of Mars , where the qualities of Mars, bloom to the full . Forget about , what I wrote above ,altogether. Collect few charts , having Mars in Ge or Vi., where it is possible for you, to closely monitor , the life of the natives. ---Ignore the Ascendant and the ownership & placement of Mars ---Ensure Mars is not aspected (Parashari) by Ju. Observe, the experiences of the native .You could notice , the Sage's observation working in a remarkable manner. When one runs the Dasha/sub period of Mar's in signs of Mercury , siblings/blood relatives will behave in a ridiculous (hostile) manner . Whereas this element of "Hostility" can never by noticed , when Mars is in signs of Saturn .Coincidentally, I was given a chart of a man , with Vi Rising settled in UK , yesterday. He was having strained relation with his teenage daughters and says that,they treat him,like an enemy and interestingly , the Dasha was of Sat , the L5 of children in Sc , its inimical sign. Natives sexual relations I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual connections, since our discussions were solely confined to the placement of Mars, the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to convey was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find Rahu in H8. Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat (Rx) .To cement the complication , we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of Saturn . As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha(obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some bearing in the life of the native . Native may have several physical contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual satisfaction from the native ? What I want to stress is ,this adverse yoga , linked with L8 is never going to remain like an inoperative Bank a/c. My gut feeling is, with the right direction & Transit , it will play havoc with subject's sexual life at some stage .Pls note the position of L8 in Dual sign (Dual experience) that affirms this conjecure Relationship with Father I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I am able to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad is in 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, philosopher & guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in H9 of father , is an argument that he is "attached" to his father. He may not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your submission ,"YET the native respects his Father very much and willing to do whatever it takes to care himitself" , it is evident ,that the inference is correct. Presume the gender of this native is male and will appreciate, if you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo-graphical co-ordinates Also, pls enlighten , whether 1,the native has multi-lingual skills 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21 Best M Nair , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Dear Sri M. Nair,> > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results are not > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart in > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations btwn the > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your comments are > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your further > comments are wel-come!:-)> > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of Mars.//> > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much abt on this > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's only ONE > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of that > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my point:-)> > //The native will be attached to his father//> > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact lots of > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that led to > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the family > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much and willing > to do whatever it takes to care him..> > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's Wife who > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But Not his > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events)> > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent//> > you are right i do agree on this reading> > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign//> > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign you can find > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i shall try and > find the link and may post for you here.> > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are the results > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently WHEN > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of your > findings/readings are wel-come!:-)> > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of sexual> organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. Also > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.//> > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the Pratical analysis, > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon after the > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a Number of > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of the opposite > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex drive even > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others including > foreigners till today!> > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the entire > chart then here's the detail> > DOB: 10th Feb 1975> TOB: 10:47 AM> POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E> > Let's discuss further> > Regards> > > > > > > > > , "Balagurusurya" > balagurusurya@ wrote:> >> > > > Hi,> > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can Saturn be the > enemy> > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ?(Satyacharya's> > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is > not > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as per panchada> > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have nothing to say.> > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having Dual > ownership is> > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical with> > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again stands for > Dharma.> > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th.> > > > The native will be attached to his father .> > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc> > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the > action > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery sign . > This> > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a positive note, Ju > that> > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful and some> > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in Cn , its> > exaltation sign> > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the native is > burdened> > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to act in the > manner> > , he like Some one will always boss him .> > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of sexual> > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. > Also do> > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural > zodiac. Ve> > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch planet.All this> > suggest sexual dysfunction .> > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his inheritances.> > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just after New > Moon.> > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at > afternoon .Sun> > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional strength > by> > being in 10th and that is a good point.> > > > Best> > > > M Nair> > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent in more > than two> > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Learned Members,> > >> > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for Sreenadh Ji's> > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!!> > >> > > Now i have the following queries for all learned member to > provide> > > me an insight into..> > >> > > Areis Acendant.> > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's > Nakshatra> > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro)> > >> > > What are the general indications if you just take this aspect? > what> > > it promises in general?> > >> > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the despositor > of> > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e.> > >> > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house> > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house> > > Mars in 9th> > > Saturn in 3rd> > > Rahu in 8th> > > Ketu in 2nd> > >> > > Appreciate your comments> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Chann> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Dear Sri M. Nair, Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying as i was bit busy with the work... My apologiese. I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i discuss anything with others And with Astrology having so much of Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart with the Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why is it so and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just using it as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from the learned ppl like you. Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like foolish/silly.. Well, you said: //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars// In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd which is the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd lord 3rd Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon. If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting the Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will be bad effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is not the foe of Mars? I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier own house and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this? Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at present. Natives sexual relations //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual connections, since our discussions were solely confined to the placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to convey was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find Rahu in H8. Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)// In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th and to my luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's sexual connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced by your reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to this position and other things as you mentioned above. YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married life BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after marriage 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of 1 and half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice Sexual enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by and large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with that, it is just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we BOTH are against each other and our mindset does not match hence, still living separately... //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of Saturn . As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several physical contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual satisfaction from the native?// Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to ask the other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you talk about the " Paid Services " then the other party may not be enjoying the union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some times i do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in mood:-) Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in Sexual relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his native's Nationality? //Relationship with Father I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I am able to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad is in 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, philosopher & guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in H9 of father , is an argument that he is " attached " to his father. He may not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your submission , " YET the native respects his Father very much and willing to do whatever it takes to care himitself " // Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is that, We both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a friends But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT My Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are entirly diff and problem starts there...But what you mentioned " Attachment " is not there when compare to the " Attachement " what i have with my Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL Mars in 9th house of " Dharma " i still respect him as my father...In general i have great respect for elders... //Presume the gender of this native is male and will appreciate, if you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo-graphical co-ordinates// DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist, Karnataka, India Also, pls enlighten , whether //1,the native has multi-lingual skills// Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do not have any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is required and if the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it language, tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly out of selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as to why such things happened/happening to me suddenly, 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances Including my father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never expecting also.. YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) but again he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts and i don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!! 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21 Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any year during the course But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in Electronics some sort of diploma.. Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater details and guide me.. Do respond to me at your convenience Regards Chann , " Balagurusurya " <balagurusurya wrote: > Best > > M Nair , " Chandu2chill " > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results are not > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart in > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations btwn the > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your comments are > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your further > > comments are wel-come!:-) > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of Mars.// > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much abt on this > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's only ONE > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of that > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my point:-) > > > > //The native will be attached to his father// > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact lots of > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that led to > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the family > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much and willing > > to do whatever it takes to care him.. > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's Wife who > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But Not his > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events) > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent// > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign// > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign you can find > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i shall try and > > find the link and may post for you here. > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are the results > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently WHEN > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of your > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-) > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of sexual > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. Also > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.// > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the Pratical analysis, > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon after the > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a Number of > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of the opposite > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex drive even > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others including > > foreigners till today! > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the entire > > chart then here's the detail > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 > > TOB: 10:47 AM > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E > > > > Let's discuss further > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Balagurusurya " > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can Saturn be the > > enemy > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ? (Satyacharya's > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is > > not > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as per panchada > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have nothing to say. > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having Dual > > ownership is > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical with > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again stands for > > Dharma. > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father . > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the > > action > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery sign . > > This > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a positive note, Ju > > that > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful and some > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in Cn , its > > > exaltation sign > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the native is > > burdened > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to act in the > > manner > > > , he like Some one will always boss him . > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of sexual > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. > > Also do > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural > > zodiac. Ve > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch planet.All this > > > suggest sexual dysfunction . > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his inheritances. > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just after New > > Moon. > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at > > afternoon .Sun > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional strength > > by > > > being in 10th and that is a good point. > > > > > > Best > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent in more > > than two > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for Sreenadh Ji's > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned member to > > provide > > > > me an insight into.. > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant. > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's > > Nakshatra > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take this aspect? > > what > > > > it promises in general? > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the despositor > > of > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house > > > > Mars in 9th > > > > Saturn in 3rd > > > > Rahu in 8th > > > > Ketu in 2nd > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear chann ji, You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same .U r studying astrology on ur chart .But i must regretfully say that its not right approach to study astrology . If u realy wanted to study astro ,or if u want peicemeal predictions on your chart and various views its upto u . ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions tru various forums and prvt mails . Now u may come out with statement that none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best professional astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum that a astrologer shud suffer poverty .Like in any profession he also shud be paid lavishly . SO if u r real learner pls show that attitude ,u hav so many ppl around u with lagna lord in various houses ,try it and participate than asking for predictions . when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur chart saying this is ur frnds chart . if i am obsessed with prashan methods surely this lie is going to mislead me .As i will see the effect from your frnds house or bhava in prashna .But surely there methods to find out if some is lying or not also ,it depends on knowledge of astrologr or his mood when considerring the chart,suppose he is suspicious he can surely see that combination if not he may mis leaded ,In net every time we hav to b 100% gaurd becuase of this over smart ppl .I am not saying u r one of them .But saying the plight of astrologers who is trying to help some soul atleast.And it is the reason many giv up helping as the result was bad always . i hope u take in right spirit. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> > Dear Sri M. Nair,> > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying as i was > bit busy with the work... My apologiese.> > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i discuss > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart with the > Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why is it so > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just using it > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from the > learned ppl like you.> > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like foolish/silly..> > Well, you said:> > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars//> > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd which is > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd lord 3rd > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon.> > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting the > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will be bad > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is not the > foe of Mars?> > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier own house > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this?> > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at present. > > Natives sexual relations> > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to the > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to convey > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find Rahu in H8. > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)// > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th and to my > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's sexual > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced by your > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to this > position and other things as you mentioned above.> > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married life > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after marriage > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of 1 and > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice Sexual > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by and > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with that, it is > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we BOTH are > against each other and our mindset does not match hence, still > living separately...> > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of Saturn . > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha> (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such> these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several physical > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual > satisfaction from the native?//> > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to ask the > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you talk about > the "Paid Services" then the other party may not be enjoying the > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some times i > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in mood:-)> > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in Sexual > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his native's > Nationality?> > //Relationship with Father> > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I am able > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad is in > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, philosopher & > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in H9 of > father , is an argument that he is "attached" to his father. He may > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your> submission ,"YET the native respects his Father very much and willing> to do whatever it takes to care himitself"//> > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is that, We > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a friends > But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT My > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are entirly > diff and problem starts there...But what you mentioned "Attachment" > is not there when compare to the "Attachement" what i have with my > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL Mars in > 9th house of "Dharma" i still respect him as my father...In general > i have great respect for elders...> > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will appreciate, if > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo-graphical> co-ordinates//> > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist, > Karnataka, India> > Also, pls enlighten , whether> > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills//> > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do not have > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is required and if > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it language, > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly out of > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as to why > such things happened/happening to me suddenly,> > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances> > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances Including my > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never > expecting also..> > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) but again > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts and i > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!!> > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21> > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any year > during the course> > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in Electronics some > sort of diploma..> > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater details and > guide me..> > Do respond to me at your convenience> > Regards> > Chann> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Balagurusurya" > balagurusurya@ wrote:> > > Best> > > > M Nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sri M. Nair,> > >> > > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results are not> > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart in> > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations btwn the> > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your comments > are> > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your further> > > comments are wel-come!:-)> > >> > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of Mars.//> > >> > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much abt on > this> > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's only > ONE> > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of that> > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my point:-)> > >> > > //The native will be attached to his father//> > >> > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact lots of> > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that led to> > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the family> > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much and > willing> > > to do whatever it takes to care him..> > >> > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's Wife who> > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But Not his> > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events)> > >> > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the> > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery> > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent//> > >> > > you are right i do agree on this reading> > >> > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq ,> > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju is > equal in> > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign//> > >> > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign you can > find> > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i shall try > and> > > find the link and may post for you here.> > >> > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are the > results> > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently WHEN> > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of your> > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-)> > >> > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of > sexual> > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. > Also> > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural> > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch> > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.//> > >> > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the Pratical > analysis,> > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon after the> > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a Number > of> > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of the > opposite> > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex drive even> > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others > including> > > foreigners till today!> > >> > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the entire> > > chart then here's the detail> > >> > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975> > > TOB: 10:47 AM> > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E> > >> > > Let's discuss further> > >> > > Regards> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Balagurusurya"> > > balagurusurya@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi,> > > >> > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can Saturn be > the> > > enemy> > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ?> (Satyacharya's> > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn > is> > > not> > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as per > panchada> > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have nothing to say.> > > >> > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having Dual> > > ownership is> > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical with> > > >> > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again stands > for> > > Dharma.> > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th.> > > >> > > > The native will be attached to his father .> > > >> > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc> > > >> > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the> > > action> > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery sign .> > > This> > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a positive > note, Ju> > > that> > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful and > some> > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in Cn , > its> > > > exaltation sign> > > >> > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the native is> > > burdened> > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to act in > the> > > manner> > > > , he like Some one will always boss him .> > > >> > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of > sexual> > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc.> > > Also do> > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural> > > zodiac. Ve> > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch planet.All > this> > > > suggest sexual dysfunction .> > > >> > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his > inheritances.> > > >> > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just after > New> > > Moon.> > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at> > > afternoon .Sun> > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional > strength> > > by> > > > being in 10th and that is a good point.> > > >> > > > Best> > > >> > > > M Nair> > > >> > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent in more> > > than two> > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Learned Members,> > > > >> > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for Sreenadh > Ji's> > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!!> > > > >> > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned member to> > > provide> > > > > me an insight into..> > > > >> > > > > Areis Acendant.> > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's> > > Nakshatra> > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro)> > > > >> > > > > What are the general indications if you just take this > aspect?> > > what> > > > > it promises in general?> > > > >> > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the > despositor> > > of> > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e.> > > > >> > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house> > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house> > > > > Mars in 9th> > > > > Saturn in 3rd> > > > > Rahu in 8th> > > > > Ketu in 2nd> > > > >> > > > > Appreciate your comments> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Chann> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel is right. At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other person's way of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of thinking and in my opinion we should respect that. Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't wanted to comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s)made me to write...Hope you will take it in right perspective. Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me. //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same.// That is when the problems started for me... appreciate your observations //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must regretfully say that its not right approach to study astrology.// That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I don't want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, Sachin Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest in them. May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is right. //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions tru variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with statement that none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best professional astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum that a astrologer shud suffer poverty// Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the predictions from various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and thankful to them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether thier prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions led me to dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it has Enhanced my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!. Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid and who all are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this info as well as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-) //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur chart saying this is ur frnds chart.// You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum saying that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my Email ID or Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for other form which is not belonging to any of Astro groups. I do not believe in that.. Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties with you nor with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this my way of learining and will continue... Regards Chann > , " Chandu2chill " > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying as i was > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese. > > > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i discuss > > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart with the > > Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why is it so > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just using it > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from the > > learned ppl like you. > > > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like foolish/silly.. > > > > Well, you said: > > > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars// > > > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd which is > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd lord 3rd > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon. > > > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting the > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will be bad > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is not the > > foe of Mars? > > > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier own house > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this? > > > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at present. > > > > Natives sexual relations > > > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual > > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to the > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to convey > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find Rahu in H8. > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)// > > > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th and to my > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's sexual > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced by your > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to this > > position and other things as you mentioned above. > > > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married life > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after marriage > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of 1 and > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice Sexual > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by and > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with that, it is > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we BOTH are > > against each other and our mindset does not match hence, still > > living separately... > > > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of Saturn . > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several physical > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual > > satisfaction from the native?// > > > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to ask the > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you talk about > > the " Paid Services " then the other party may not be enjoying the > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some times i > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in mood:-) > > > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in Sexual > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his native's > > Nationality? > > > > //Relationship with Father > > > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I am able > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad is in > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, philosopher & > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in H9 of > > father , is an argument that he is " attached " to his father. He may > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your > > submission , " YET the native respects his Father very much and willing > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself " // > > > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is that, We > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a friends > > But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT My > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are entirly > > diff and problem starts there...But what you mentioned " Attachment " > > is not there when compare to the " Attachement " what i have with my > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL Mars in > > 9th house of " Dharma " i still respect him as my father...In general > > i have great respect for elders... > > > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will appreciate, if > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo-graphical > > co-ordinates// > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist, > > Karnataka, India > > > > Also, pls enlighten , whether > > > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills// > > > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do not have > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is required and if > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it language, > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly out of > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as to why > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly, > > > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances > > > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances Including my > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never > > expecting also.. > > > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) but again > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts and i > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!! > > > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21 > > > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any year > > during the course > > > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in Electronics some > > sort of diploma.. > > > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater details and > > guide me.. > > > > Do respond to me at your convenience > > > > Regards > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Balagurusurya " > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > Best > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results are not > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart in > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations btwn the > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your comments > > are > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your further > > > > comments are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of Mars.// > > > > > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much abt on > > this > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's only > > ONE > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of that > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my point:-) > > > > > > > > //The native will be attached to his father// > > > > > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact lots of > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that led to > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the family > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much and > > willing > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him.. > > > > > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's Wife who > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But Not his > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events) > > > > > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent// > > > > > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading > > > > > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju is > > equal in > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign// > > > > > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign you can > > find > > > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i shall try > > and > > > > find the link and may post for you here. > > > > > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are the > > results > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently WHEN > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of your > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of > > sexual > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. > > Also > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.// > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the Pratical > > analysis, > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon after the > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a Number > > of > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of the > > opposite > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex drive even > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others > > including > > > > foreigners till today! > > > > > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the entire > > > > chart then here's the detail > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E > > > > > > > > Let's discuss further > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Balagurusurya " > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can Saturn be > > the > > > > enemy > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ? > > (Satyacharya's > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn > > is > > > > not > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as per > > panchada > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have nothing to say. > > > > > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having Dual > > > > ownership is > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical with > > > > > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again stands > > for > > > > Dharma. > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. > > > > > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father . > > > > > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc > > > > > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs the > > > > action > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery sign . > > > > This > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a positive > > note, Ju > > > > that > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful and > > some > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in Cn , > > its > > > > > exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the native is > > > > burdened > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to act in > > the > > > > manner > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him . > > > > > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of > > sexual > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle etc. > > > > Also do > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural > > > > zodiac. Ve > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch planet.All > > this > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction . > > > > > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his > > inheritances. > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just after > > New > > > > Moon. > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at > > > > afternoon .Sun > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional > > strength > > > > by > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point. > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent in more > > > > than two > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for Sreenadh > > Ji's > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned member to > > > > provide > > > > > > me an insight into.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant. > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take this > > aspect? > > > > what > > > > > > it promises in general? > > > > > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the > > despositor > > > > of > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house > > > > > > Mars in 9th > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd > > > > > > Rahu in 8th > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Hare krishna, dear chann , I appreciate your method of learning ,It is what on other way we call peice meal approach of getting prediction on your chart or taking astrologers who spent their time and net and money and computers for a ride and making them fool .Because you r not satisfied with predictions ,now wants every week predictions on your chart. Most of the 50000 memebrs who in astro groups is coming with these kind of attitude ,either get a prediction or peice meal appraoch of prediction ,Some one helped them they dont care to giv feed back to astrologer.Once you giv prediction you can find them in other group and then in other group .They call it getting another expert opinion, yes they r right >Even the kings of yore dont hav this facility . U said i am following u last 2 years ,do u think u worth for it .Or every days mail s filled with your pathetic request? Now learning from own chart ,own way- can u tell me how the magik of 1 million combinations in astrology or yogas how it will be reflected in your chart.Or do u possess some magik chart .This is utter thank less way of responding to some body and any learning needs humbleness and ready to learn and the teacher or who ever teaches u he will teach u in his own way not your own way . Any way i wanted to make you one thing clear that this group dont promote predictions ,only very few requests r honoured here ,U know why ,as it will spoil the atmosphere of this forum .If u get time u surf in all groups and see archive if u r not that much selfish and see last 5 years how many ppl has solved their problems by taking astrologers for a ride .You can see every six months they repeat the same questions .So many groups also close down because of this lack of gratittude trend .As the quality of query made some group owners realy mad and they deleted group . AS finaly your karma not the noble combinations in chart decides the course of destiny . Even your query u r not mentioning its your chart ,it was placed in front of astrologers as if some known persons chart.And u were acting like some virgin in astrology I appreciate your style of learning ,a doctor will learn surgery on his body a mortician on his dead body and an enginear will break his own house and make new houses . wish u happy learning in your own selfish way .which u will hav to suffer more for your attitude . all the best sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Sunil Nair,> > Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel is right. > At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other person's way > of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of thinking and in > my opinion we should respect that.> > Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't wanted to > comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s)made me to > write...Hope you will take it in right perspective.> > Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me.> > //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same.//> > That is when the problems started for me... appreciate your > observations> > //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must regretfully say > that its not right approach to study astrology.//> > That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I don't > want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, Sachin > Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest in them. > May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is right.> > //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions tru > variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with statement that > none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best professional > astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum that a > astrologer shud suffer poverty//> > Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the predictions from > various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and thankful to > them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether thier > prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions led me to > dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it has Enhanced > my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!.> > Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid and who all > are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this info as well > as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-)> > //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur chart > saying this is ur frnds chart.//> > You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum saying > that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my Email ID or > Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for other form > which is not belonging to any of Astro groups.> > I do not believe in that.. > > Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties with you nor > with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this my way of > learining and will continue...> > Regards> > Chann> > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sri M. Nair,> > >> > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying as i > was> > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese.> > >> > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i > discuss> > > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of> > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of> > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart with > the> > > Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why is > it so> > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just > using it> > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from the> > > learned ppl like you.> > >> > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like foolish/silly..> > >> > > Well, you said:> > >> > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars//> > >> > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd which > is> > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd lord > 3rd> > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon.> > >> > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting the> > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will be bad> > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is not > the> > > foe of Mars?> > >> > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier own > house> > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this?> > >> > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at present.> > >> > > Natives sexual relations> > >> > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual> > > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to the> > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to convey> > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find Rahu in > H8.> > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)//> > >> > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th and > to my> > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's > sexual> > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced by > your> > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to this> > > position and other things as you mentioned above.> > >> > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married life> > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after > marriage> > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of 1 and> > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice > Sexual> > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by and> > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with that, > it is> > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we BOTH > are> > > against each other and our mindset does not match hence, still> > > living separately...> > >> > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of > Saturn .> > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha> > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such> > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some> > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several > physical> > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual> > > satisfaction from the native?//> > >> > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to ask > the> > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you talk > about> > > the "Paid Services" then the other party may not be enjoying the> > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some > times i> > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in mood:-)> > >> > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in Sexual> > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his native's> > > Nationality?> > >> > > //Relationship with Father> > >> > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I am > able> > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad is in> > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, philosopher & > > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in H9 of> > > father , is an argument that he is "attached" to his father. He > may> > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your> > > submission ,"YET the native respects his Father very much and > willing> > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself"//> > >> > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is that, We> > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a > friends> > > But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT My> > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are > entirly> > > diff and problem starts there...But what you > mentioned "Attachment"> > > is not there when compare to the "Attachement" what i have with > my> > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL Mars > in> > > 9th house of "Dharma" i still respect him as my father...In > general> > > i have great respect for elders...> > >> > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will appreciate, > if> > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo-graphical> > > co-ordinates//> > >> > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist,> > > Karnataka, India> > >> > > Also, pls enlighten , whether> > >> > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills//> > >> > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do not > have> > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is required > and if> > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it language,> > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly out of> > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as to > why> > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly,> > >> > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances> > >> > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances Including my> > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never> > > expecting also..> > >> > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) but > again> > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts and i> > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!!> > >> > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21> > >> > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any year> > > during the course> > >> > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in Electronics > some> > > sort of diploma..> > >> > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater details > and> > > guide me..> > >> > > Do respond to me at your convenience> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Chann> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Balagurusurya"> > > balagurusurya@ wrote:> > >> > > > Best> > > >> > > > M Nair> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair,> > > > >> > > > > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results > are not> > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart in> > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations btwn > the> > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your > comments> > > are> > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your further> > > > > comments are wel-come!:-)> > > > >> > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of > Mars.//> > > > >> > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much abt > on> > > this> > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's > only> > > ONE> > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of that> > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my > point:-)> > > > >> > > > > //The native will be attached to his father//> > > > >> > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact > lots of> > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that led > to> > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the > family> > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much and> > > willing> > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him..> > > > >> > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's Wife > who> > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But Not > his> > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events)> > > > >> > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs > the> > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a > fiery> > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent//> > > > >> > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading> > > > >> > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord is in > Aq ,> > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju is> > > equal in> > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign//> > > > >> > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign you > can> > > find> > > > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i shall > try> > > and> > > > > find the link and may post for you here.> > > > >> > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are the> > > results> > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently > WHEN> > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of your> > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-)> > > > >> > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of> > > sexual> > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle > etc.> > > Also> > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > natural> > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch> > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.//> > > > >> > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the Pratical> > > analysis,> > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon after the> > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a > Number> > > of> > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of the> > > opposite> > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex drive > even> > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others> > > including> > > > > foreigners till today!> > > > >> > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the > entire> > > > > chart then here's the detail> > > > >> > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975> > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM> > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E> > > > >> > > > > Let's discuss further> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > , "Balagurusurya"> > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi,> > > > > >> > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can Saturn > be> > > the> > > > > enemy> > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ?> > > (Satyacharya's> > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but > Saturn> > > is> > > > > not> > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as per> > > panchada> > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have nothing to > say.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having Dual> > > > > ownership is> > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical with> > > > > >> > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again > stands> > > for> > > > > Dharma.> > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th.> > > > > >> > > > > > The native will be attached to his father .> > > > > >> > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc> > > > > >> > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs > the> > > > > action> > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery > sign .> > > > > This> > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a positive> > > note, Ju> > > > > that> > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful > and> > > some> > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in > Cn ,> > > its> > > > > > exaltation sign> > > > > >> > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the > native is> > > > > burdened> > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to act > in> > > the> > > > > manner> > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him .> > > > > >> > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of> > > sexual> > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle > etc.> > > > > Also do> > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural> > > > > zodiac. Ve> > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > planet.All> > > this> > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction .> > > > > >> > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his> > > inheritances.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just > after> > > New> > > > > Moon.> > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at> > > > > afternoon .Sun> > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional> > > strength> > > > > by> > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best> > > > > >> > > > > > M Nair> > > > > >> > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent in > more> > > > > than two> > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Learned Members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for > Sreenadh> > > Ji's> > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned member > to> > > > > provide> > > > > > > me an insight into..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Areis Acendant.> > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's> > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take this> > > aspect?> > > > > what> > > > > > > it promises in general?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the> > > despositor> > > > > of> > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house> > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house> > > > > > > Mars in 9th> > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd> > > > > > > Rahu in 8th> > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Appreciate your comments> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chann> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, Some of your words u need to take back if you are really a learned and kind person forget about me i am a selfish person came here for Motto. First of all i do not know your motive behind replying to my Discussion thread. I call it a discussion thread B'coz i have not asked for any request for help/reading. If you read my begining of the Thread " carefully " . It was my (My Next reply to Mr. M. Nair) natural and eventual reply based on the facts and events on Mr. M. Nair's reply //Most of the 50000 memebrs who in astro groups is coming with these kind of attitude ,either get a prediction or peice meal appraoch of prediction ,Some one helped them they dont care to giv feed back to astrologer.Once you giv prediction you can find them in other group and then in other group .They call it getting another expert opinion,// Pls don't make genaral statement as you are referring to my thread here. And be specific. If you read and notice, i have replyed to Mr. M. Nair with the feedback what i felt is right. //U said i am following u last 2 years ,do u think u worth for it .Or every days mail s filled with your pathetic request?// I have not said that, you yourself mentioned in your 1st reply Pls refer what you wrote And with regard to classification of Request(s) as pathetic, Excellant, Good, Bad it depends upon the Person's mind-set and how he/she thinks. This is again my personal opinion. //Any way i wanted to make you one thing clear that this group dont promote predictions ,only very few requests r honoured here// Pls show me any request that i made for reading my chart in this group. Except One time where i put some query and got the reply from Mr. Sreenadh Ji. //AS finaly your karma not the noble combinations in chart decides the course of destiny.// This is again very much debatable point you raised. If i ask you then why all these classics, so much of combinations, yogas, Why the Chart itself? When you know as per Karma, destiny will place you and me and all this mankind why is the Astrology? Sincerely i believe in destiny... //I appreciate your style of learning ,a doctor will learn surgery on his body a mortician on his dead body and an enginear will break his own house and make new houses.// Your analogy is bit ambiguous and circumspect. If all the professors/teachers had the mind-set of not to nurture/guide his/her pupil thinking that if i guide/teach them properly they will surpass me and i become redundant, then this whole world would have not been there with the progress. It is up-to the the Students and each individual's ability/skill with which they Excel.. and ofcourse with the Destiny... //This is utter thank less way of responding to some body and any learning needs humbleness and ready to learn and the teacher or who ever teaches u he will teach u in his own way not your own way// Pls note that, whoever taught, me in any forum, i have responded to them in a way what i supposed to. And thank them Can you be specific as to what you wrote which is something learning (Astrologically) in your 1st reply for me? Yes teacher has his/her own way of teaching method, again it depends upon the student how he/she grasps it. make use of it and apply it. Again in his/her own way.. //Even your query u r not mentioning its your chart ,it was placed in front of astrologers as if some known persons chart.And u were acting like some virgin in astrology// I honestly didn't understand what you are trying to say...!? As you are aware, even if you have 20 Yrs exp in Astrology you are still a Student and in my opinion any knowledge/skill in general and Astrology perticular, is a continuous process..Hope you agree with me on this... //wish u happy learning in your own selfish way .which u will hav to suffer more for your attitude.// Are you praising me or cursing? In any case, i appreciate your valuable time... Regards Chann , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: >> , " Chandu2chill " > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > > > Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel is right. > > At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other person's way > > of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of thinking and in > > my opinion we should respect that. > > > > Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't wanted to > > comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s)made me to > > write...Hope you will take it in right perspective. > > > > Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me. > > > > //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same.// > > > > That is when the problems started for me... appreciate your > > observations > > > > //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must regretfully say > > that its not right approach to study astrology.// > > > > That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I don't > > want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, Sachin > > Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest in them. > > May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is right. > > > > //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions tru > > variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with statement that > > none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best professional > > astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum that a > > astrologer shud suffer poverty// > > > > Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the predictions from > > various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and thankful to > > them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether thier > > prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions led me to > > dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it has Enhanced > > my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!. > > > > Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid and who all > > are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this info as well > > as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-) > > > > //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur chart > > saying this is ur frnds chart.// > > > > You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum saying > > that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my Email ID or > > Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for other form > > which is not belonging to any of Astro groups. > > > > I do not believe in that.. > > > > Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties with you nor > > with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this my way of > > learining and will continue... > > > > Regards > > > > Chann > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying as i > > was > > > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese. > > > > > > > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i > > discuss > > > > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of > > > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of > > > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart with > > the > > > > Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why is > > it so > > > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just > > using it > > > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from the > > > > learned ppl like you. > > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like foolish/silly.. > > > > > > > > Well, you said: > > > > > > > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars// > > > > > > > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd which > > is > > > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd lord > > 3rd > > > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon. > > > > > > > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting the > > > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will be bad > > > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is not > > the > > > > foe of Mars? > > > > > > > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier own > > house > > > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this? > > > > > > > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at present. > > > > > > > > Natives sexual relations > > > > > > > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual > > > > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to the > > > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to convey > > > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find Rahu in > > H8. > > > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)// > > > > > > > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th and > > to my > > > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's > > sexual > > > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced by > > your > > > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to this > > > > position and other things as you mentioned above. > > > > > > > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married life > > > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after > > marriage > > > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of 1 and > > > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice > > Sexual > > > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by and > > > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with that, > > it is > > > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we BOTH > > are > > > > against each other and our mindset does not match hence, still > > > > living separately... > > > > > > > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of > > Saturn . > > > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha > > > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such > > > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some > > > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several > > physical > > > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual > > > > satisfaction from the native?// > > > > > > > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to ask > > the > > > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you talk > > about > > > > the " Paid Services " then the other party may not be enjoying the > > > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some > > times i > > > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in mood:- ) > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in Sexual > > > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his native's > > > > Nationality? > > > > > > > > //Relationship with Father > > > > > > > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I am > > able > > > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad is in > > > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, philosopher & > > > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in H9 of > > > > father , is an argument that he is " attached " to his father. He > > may > > > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your > > > > submission , " YET the native respects his Father very much and > > willing > > > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself " // > > > > > > > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is that, We > > > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a > > friends > > > > But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT My > > > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are > > entirly > > > > diff and problem starts there...But what you > > mentioned " Attachment " > > > > is not there when compare to the " Attachement " what i have with > > my > > > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL Mars > > in > > > > 9th house of " Dharma " i still respect him as my father...In > > general > > > > i have great respect for elders... > > > > > > > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will appreciate, > > if > > > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo- graphical > > > > co-ordinates// > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist, > > > > Karnataka, India > > > > > > > > Also, pls enlighten , whether > > > > > > > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills// > > > > > > > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do not > > have > > > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is required > > and if > > > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it language, > > > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly out of > > > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as to > > why > > > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly, > > > > > > > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances > > > > > > > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances Including my > > > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never > > > > expecting also.. > > > > > > > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) but > > again > > > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts and i > > > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!! > > > > > > > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21 > > > > > > > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any year > > > > during the course > > > > > > > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in Electronics > > some > > > > sort of diploma.. > > > > > > > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater details > > and > > > > guide me.. > > > > > > > > Do respond to me at your convenience > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Balagurusurya " > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results > > are not > > > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart in > > > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations btwn > > the > > > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your > > comments > > > > are > > > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your further > > > > > > comments are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of > > Mars.// > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much abt > > on > > > > this > > > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's > > only > > > > ONE > > > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of that > > > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my > > point:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > //The native will be attached to his father// > > > > > > > > > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact > > lots of > > > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that led > > to > > > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the > > family > > > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much and > > > > willing > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's Wife > > who > > > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But Not > > his > > > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events) > > > > > > > > > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs > > the > > > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a > > fiery > > > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent// > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading > > > > > > > > > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord is in > > Aq , > > > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju is > > > > equal in > > > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign// > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign you > > can > > > > find > > > > > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i shall > > try > > > > and > > > > > > find the link and may post for you here. > > > > > > > > > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are the > > > > results > > > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently > > WHEN > > > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of your > > > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of > > > > sexual > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle > > etc. > > > > Also > > > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > > natural > > > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > > > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.// > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the Pratical > > > > analysis, > > > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon after the > > > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a > > Number > > > > of > > > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of the > > > > opposite > > > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex drive > > even > > > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others > > > > including > > > > > > foreigners till today! > > > > > > > > > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the > > entire > > > > > > chart then here's the detail > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 > > > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM > > > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's discuss further > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can Saturn > > be > > > > the > > > > > > enemy > > > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ? > > > > (Satyacharya's > > > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but > > Saturn > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as per > > > > panchada > > > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have nothing to > > say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having Dual > > > > > > ownership is > > > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again > > stands > > > > for > > > > > > Dharma. > > > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it robs > > the > > > > > > action > > > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a fiery > > sign . > > > > > > This > > > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a positive > > > > note, Ju > > > > > > that > > > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is powerful > > and > > > > some > > > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju in > > Cn , > > > > its > > > > > > > exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the > > native is > > > > > > burdened > > > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to act > > in > > > > the > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules 8H of > > > > sexual > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle > > etc. > > > > > > Also do > > > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the natural > > > > > > zodiac. Ve > > > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > > planet.All > > > > this > > > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his > > > > inheritances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just > > after > > > > New > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at > > > > > > afternoon .Sun > > > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional > > > > strength > > > > > > by > > > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent in > > more > > > > > > than two > > > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for > > Sreenadh > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned member > > to > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > me an insight into.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant. > > > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in Shukra's > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take this > > > > aspect? > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > it promises in general? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the > > > > despositor > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house > > > > > > > > Mars in 9th > > > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hare ramakrishna. dear chann , I dont need to reply u further ,You read the mail 1000 times when ever u get free time .I criticised u r arroagant reply abt learning .Including me replied u abt u r chart in various groups when u were in trouble ,even i think in one non site also. So now u got the taste of it so feeling so ,u dont thnk the other person u keep engaged in ur chart is also a human who needs rest and its not his duty to see only ur chart on every day basis ,it happened on sun in various rasi discussions also. regrding ur question on fate & free will and astrology pls memorise this. Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider free will more important, because it is our conscious choices which create our fate. - Veda Vyasa rgds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namh ps .dont bother to reply it as i wont be answering u again . , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Sunil Nair,> > Some of your words u need to take back if you are really a learned > and kind person forget about me i am a selfish person came here for > Motto. First of all i do not know your motive behind replying to my > Discussion thread. I call it a discussion thread B'coz i have not > asked for any request for help/reading. If you read my begining of > the Thread "carefully". It was my (My Next reply to Mr. M. Nair) > natural and eventual reply based on the facts and events on Mr. M. > Nair's reply > > //Most of the 50000 memebrs who in astro groups is coming with> these kind of attitude ,either get a prediction or peice meal > appraoch of prediction ,Some one helped them they dont care to giv > feed back to astrologer.Once you giv prediction you can find them in > other group and then in other group .They call it getting another > expert opinion,//> > Pls don't make genaral statement as you are referring to my thread > here. And be specific. If you read and notice, i have replyed to Mr. > M. Nair with the feedback what i felt is right.> > //U said i am following u last 2 years ,do u think u worth for it .Or> every days mail s filled with your pathetic request?//> > I have not said that, you yourself mentioned in your 1st reply Pls > refer what you wrote > > And with regard to classification of Request(s) as pathetic, > Excellant, Good, Bad it depends upon the Person's mind-set and how > he/she thinks. This is again my personal opinion.> > //Any way i wanted to make you one thing clear that this group dont> promote predictions ,only very few requests r honoured here//> > Pls show me any request that i made for reading my chart in this > group. Except One time where i put some query and got the reply from > Mr. Sreenadh Ji.> > //AS finaly your karma not the noble combinations in chart decides > the course of destiny.//> > This is again very much debatable point you raised. If i ask you > then why all these classics, so much of combinations, yogas, Why the > Chart itself? When you know as per Karma, destiny will place you and > me and all this mankind why is the Astrology?> > Sincerely i believe in destiny... > > //I appreciate your style of learning ,a doctor will learn surgery > on his body a mortician on his dead body and an enginear will break > his own house and make new houses.//> > Your analogy is bit ambiguous and circumspect.> > If all the professors/teachers had the mind-set of not to > nurture/guide his/her pupil thinking that if i guide/teach them > properly they will surpass me and i become redundant, then this > whole world would have not been there with the progress. It is up-to > the the Students and each individual's ability/skill with which they > Excel.. and ofcourse with the Destiny...> > > //This is utter thank less way of responding to some body and any > learning needs humbleness and ready to learn and the teacher or who > ever teaches u he will teach u in his own way not your own way//> > Pls note that, whoever taught, me in any forum, i have responded to > them in a way what i supposed to. And thank them > > Can you be specific as to what you wrote which is something learning > (Astrologically) in your 1st reply for me?> > Yes teacher has his/her own way of teaching method, again it depends > upon the student how he/she grasps it. make use of it and apply it. > Again in his/her own way.. > > //Even your query u r not mentioning its your chart ,it was placed > in front of astrologers as if some known persons chart.And u were > acting like some virgin in astrology//> > I honestly didn't understand what you are trying to say...!?> > As you are aware, even if you have 20 Yrs exp in Astrology you are > still a Student and in my opinion any knowledge/skill in general and > Astrology perticular, is a continuous process..Hope you agree with > me on this... > > //wish u happy learning in your own selfish way .which u will hav to> suffer more for your attitude.//> > Are you praising me or cursing? In any case, i appreciate your > valuable time...> > Regards> > Chann> > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> , "Chandu2chill"> > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair,> > >> > > Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel is > right.> > > At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other person's > way> > > of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of thinking and > in> > > my opinion we should respect that.> > >> > > Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't wanted to> > > comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s)made me to> > > write...Hope you will take it in right perspective.> > >> > > Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me.> > >> > > //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same.//> > >> > > That is when the problems started for me... appreciate your> > > observations> > >> > > //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must regretfully say> > > that its not right approach to study astrology.//> > >> > > That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I don't> > > want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, Sachin> > > Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest in them.> > > May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is right.> > >> > > //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions tru> > > variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with statement > that> > > none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best > professional> > > astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum > that a> > > astrologer shud suffer poverty//> > >> > > Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the predictions from> > > various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and thankful to> > > them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether thier> > > prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions led me > to> > > dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it has > Enhanced> > > my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!.> > >> > > Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid and who > all> > > are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this info as > well> > > as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-)> > >> > > //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur chart> > > saying this is ur frnds chart.//> > >> > > You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum saying> > > that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my Email ID > or> > > Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for other form> > > which is not belonging to any of Astro groups.> > >> > > I do not believe in that..> > >> > > Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties with you > nor> > > with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this my way > of> > > learining and will continue...> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Chann> > >> > >> > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair,> > > > >> > > > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying > as i> > > was> > > > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese.> > > > >> > > > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i> > > discuss> > > > > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of> > > > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of> > > > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart > with> > > the> > > > > Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why > is> > > it so> > > > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just> > > using it> > > > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from the> > > > > learned ppl like you.> > > > >> > > > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like foolish/silly..> > > > >> > > > > Well, you said:> > > > >> > > > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars//> > > > >> > > > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd > which> > > is> > > > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd > lord> > > 3rd> > > > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon.> > > > >> > > > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting > the> > > > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will > be bad> > > > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is > not> > > the> > > > > foe of Mars?> > > > >> > > > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier own> > > house> > > > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this?> > > > >> > > > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at > present.> > > > >> > > > > Natives sexual relations> > > > >> > > > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual> > > > > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to > the> > > > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to > convey> > > > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find > Rahu in> > > H8.> > > > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)//> > > > >> > > > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th > and> > > to my> > > > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's> > > sexual> > > > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced > by> > > your> > > > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to > this> > > > > position and other things as you mentioned above.> > > > >> > > > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married > life> > > > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after> > > marriage> > > > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of > 1 and> > > > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice> > > Sexual> > > > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by > and> > > > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with > that,> > > it is> > > > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we > BOTH> > > are> > > > > against each other and our mindset does not match hence, > still> > > > > living separately...> > > > >> > > > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of> > > Saturn .> > > > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha> > > > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such> > > > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some> > > > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several> > > physical> > > > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual> > > > > satisfaction from the native?//> > > > >> > > > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to > ask> > > the> > > > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you talk> > > about> > > > > the "Paid Services" then the other party may not be enjoying > the> > > > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some> > > times i> > > > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in mood:-> )> > > > >> > > > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in > Sexual> > > > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his native's> > > > > Nationality?> > > > >> > > > > //Relationship with Father> > > > >> > > > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I > am> > > able> > > > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad > is in> > > > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, > philosopher & > > > > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in > H9 of> > > > > father , is an argument that he is "attached" to his father. > He> > > may> > > > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your> > > > > submission ,"YET the native respects his Father very much and> > > willing> > > > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself"//> > > > >> > > > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is > that, We> > > > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a> > > friends> > > > > But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT > My> > > > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are> > > entirly> > > > > diff and problem starts there...But what you> > > mentioned "Attachment"> > > > > is not there when compare to the "Attachement" what i have > with> > > my> > > > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL > Mars> > > in> > > > > 9th house of "Dharma" i still respect him as my father...In> > > general> > > > > i have great respect for elders...> > > > >> > > > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will > appreciate,> > > if> > > > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo-> graphical> > > > > co-ordinates//> > > > >> > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist,> > > > > Karnataka, India> > > > >> > > > > Also, pls enlighten , whether> > > > >> > > > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills//> > > > >> > > > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do > not> > > have> > > > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is required> > > and if> > > > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it > language,> > > > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly > out of> > > > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as > to> > > why> > > > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly,> > > > >> > > > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances> > > > >> > > > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances > Including my> > > > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never> > > > > expecting also..> > > > >> > > > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) but> > > again> > > > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts > and i> > > > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!!> > > > >> > > > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21> > > > >> > > > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any > year> > > > > during the course> > > > >> > > > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in > Electronics> > > some> > > > > sort of diploma..> > > > >> > > > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater > details> > > and> > > > > guide me..> > > > >> > > > > Do respond to me at your convenience> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Chann> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > , "Balagurusurya"> > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Best> > > > > >> > > > > > M Nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results> > > are not> > > > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart > in> > > > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations > btwn> > > the> > > > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your> > > comments> > > > > are> > > > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your > further> > > > > > > comments are wel-come!:-)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of> > > Mars.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much > abt> > > on> > > > > this> > > > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's> > > only> > > > > ONE> > > > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of > that> > > > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my> > > point:-)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //The native will be attached to his father//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact> > > lots of> > > > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that > led> > > to> > > > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the> > > family> > > > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much > and> > > > > willing> > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's > Wife> > > who> > > > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But > Not> > > his> > > > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it > robs> > > the> > > > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a> > > fiery> > > > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord > is in> > > Aq ,> > > > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju > is> > > > > equal in> > > > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign > you> > > can> > > > > find> > > > > > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i > shall> > > try> > > > > and> > > > > > > find the link and may post for you here.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are > the> > > > > results> > > > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently> > > WHEN> > > > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of > your> > > > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules > 8H of> > > > > sexual> > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle> > > etc.> > > > > Also> > > > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the> > > natural> > > > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a > eunuch> > > > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the > Pratical> > > > > analysis,> > > > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon > after the> > > > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a> > > Number> > > > > of> > > > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of > the> > > > > opposite> > > > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex > drive> > > even> > > > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others> > > > > including> > > > > > > foreigners till today!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the> > > entire> > > > > > > chart then here's the detail> > > > > > >> > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975> > > > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM> > > > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let's discuss further> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Balagurusurya"> > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can > Saturn> > > be> > > > > the> > > > > > > enemy> > > > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ?> > > > > (Satyacharya's> > > > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but> > > Saturn> > > > > is> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as > per> > > > > panchada> > > > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have > nothing to> > > say.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having > Dual> > > > > > > ownership is> > > > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical > with> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again> > > stands> > > > > for> > > > > > > Dharma.> > > > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it > robs> > > the> > > > > > > action> > > > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a > fiery> > > sign .> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a > positive> > > > > note, Ju> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is > powerful> > > and> > > > > some> > > > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju > in> > > Cn ,> > > > > its> > > > > > > > exaltation sign> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the> > > native is> > > > > > > burdened> > > > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to > act> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > manner> > > > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules > 8H of> > > > > sexual> > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, > testicle> > > etc.> > > > > > > Also do> > > > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > natural> > > > > > > zodiac. Ve> > > > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch> > > planet.All> > > > > this> > > > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his> > > > > inheritances.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just> > > after> > > > > New> > > > > > > Moon.> > > > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at> > > > > > > afternoon .Sun> > > > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional> > > > > strength> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > M Nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent > in> > > more> > > > > > > than two> > > > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for> > > Sreenadh> > > > > Ji's> > > > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned > member> > > to> > > > > > > provide> > > > > > > > > me an insight into..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant.> > > > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in > Shukra's> > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take > this> > > > > aspect?> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > it promises in general?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the> > > > > despositor> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house> > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house> > > > > > > > > Mars in 9th> > > > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd> > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th> > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chann> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Dear Respected Sunil Nair, You have quoted, Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider free will > more important, because it is our conscious choices which create our > fate. > - Veda Vyasa Could I trouble you for the Sanskrit, it is a very profound sloka which deserves rememberance. regards JayD , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare ramakrishna. > > dear chann , > > I dont need to reply u further ,You read the mail 1000 times when > ever u get free time .I criticised u r arroagant reply abt learning > .Including me replied u abt u r chart in various groups when u were in > trouble ,even i think in one non site also. > > So now u got the taste of it so feeling so ,u dont thnk the other > person u keep engaged in ur chart is also a human who needs rest and its > not his duty to see only ur chart on every day basis ,it happened on sun > in various rasi discussions also. > > regrding ur question on fate & free will and astrology > > pls memorise this. > > Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider free will > more important, because it is our conscious choices which create our > fate. > - Veda Vyasa > > rgds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namh > > ps .dont bother to reply it as i wont be answering u again . > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > > > Some of your words u need to take back if you are really a learned > > and kind person forget about me i am a selfish person came here for > > Motto. First of all i do not know your motive behind replying to my > > Discussion thread. I call it a discussion thread B'coz i have not > > asked for any request for help/reading. If you read my begining of > > the Thread " carefully " . It was my (My Next reply to Mr. M. Nair) > > natural and eventual reply based on the facts and events on Mr. M. > > Nair's reply > > > > //Most of the 50000 memebrs who in astro groups is coming with > > these kind of attitude ,either get a prediction or peice meal > > appraoch of prediction ,Some one helped them they dont care to giv > > feed back to astrologer.Once you giv prediction you can find them in > > other group and then in other group .They call it getting another > > expert opinion,// > > > > Pls don't make genaral statement as you are referring to my thread > > here. And be specific. If you read and notice, i have replyed to Mr. > > M. Nair with the feedback what i felt is right. > > > > //U said i am following u last 2 years ,do u think u worth for it ..Or > > every days mail s filled with your pathetic request?// > > > > I have not said that, you yourself mentioned in your 1st reply Pls > > refer what you wrote > > > > And with regard to classification of Request(s) as pathetic, > > Excellant, Good, Bad it depends upon the Person's mind-set and how > > he/she thinks. This is again my personal opinion. > > > > //Any way i wanted to make you one thing clear that this group dont > > promote predictions ,only very few requests r honoured here// > > > > Pls show me any request that i made for reading my chart in this > > group. Except One time where i put some query and got the reply from > > Mr. Sreenadh Ji. > > > > //AS finaly your karma not the noble combinations in chart decides > > the course of destiny.// > > > > This is again very much debatable point you raised. If i ask you > > then why all these classics, so much of combinations, yogas, Why the > > Chart itself? When you know as per Karma, destiny will place you and > > me and all this mankind why is the Astrology? > > > > Sincerely i believe in destiny... > > > > //I appreciate your style of learning ,a doctor will learn surgery > > on his body a mortician on his dead body and an enginear will break > > his own house and make new houses.// > > > > Your analogy is bit ambiguous and circumspect. > > > > If all the professors/teachers had the mind-set of not to > > nurture/guide his/her pupil thinking that if i guide/teach them > > properly they will surpass me and i become redundant, then this > > whole world would have not been there with the progress. It is up-to > > the the Students and each individual's ability/skill with which they > > Excel.. and ofcourse with the Destiny... > > > > > > //This is utter thank less way of responding to some body and any > > learning needs humbleness and ready to learn and the teacher or who > > ever teaches u he will teach u in his own way not your own way// > > > > Pls note that, whoever taught, me in any forum, i have responded to > > them in a way what i supposed to. And thank them > > > > Can you be specific as to what you wrote which is something learning > > (Astrologically) in your 1st reply for me? > > > > Yes teacher has his/her own way of teaching method, again it depends > > upon the student how he/she grasps it. make use of it and apply it. > > Again in his/her own way.. > > > > //Even your query u r not mentioning its your chart ,it was placed > > in front of astrologers as if some known persons chart.And u were > > acting like some virgin in astrology// > > > > I honestly didn't understand what you are trying to say...!? > > > > As you are aware, even if you have 20 Yrs exp in Astrology you are > > still a Student and in my opinion any knowledge/skill in general and > > Astrology perticular, is a continuous process..Hope you agree with > > me on this... > > > > //wish u happy learning in your own selfish way .which u will hav to > > suffer more for your attitude.// > > > > Are you praising me or cursing? In any case, i appreciate your > > valuable time... > > > > Regards > > > > Chann > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > >> , " Chandu2chill " > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel is > > right. > > > > At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other person's > > way > > > > of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of thinking and > > in > > > > my opinion we should respect that. > > > > > > > > Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't wanted to > > > > comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s)made me to > > > > write...Hope you will take it in right perspective. > > > > > > > > Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me. > > > > > > > > //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same.// > > > > > > > > That is when the problems started for me... appreciate your > > > > observations > > > > > > > > //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must regretfully say > > > > that its not right approach to study astrology.// > > > > > > > > That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I don't > > > > want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, Sachin > > > > Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest in them. > > > > May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is right. > > > > > > > > //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions tru > > > > variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with statement > > that > > > > none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best > > professional > > > > astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum > > that a > > > > astrologer shud suffer poverty// > > > > > > > > Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the predictions from > > > > various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and thankful to > > > > them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether thier > > > > prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions led me > > to > > > > dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it has > > Enhanced > > > > my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!. > > > > > > > > Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid and who > > all > > > > are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this info as > > well > > > > as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-) > > > > > > > > //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur chart > > > > saying this is ur frnds chart.// > > > > > > > > You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum saying > > > > that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my Email ID > > or > > > > Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for other form > > > > which is not belonging to any of Astro groups. > > > > > > > > I do not believe in that.. > > > > > > > > Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties with you > > nor > > > > with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this my way > > of > > > > learining and will continue... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying > > as i > > > > was > > > > > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i > > > > discuss > > > > > > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of > > > > > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of > > > > > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart > > with > > > > the > > > > > > Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why > > is > > > > it so > > > > > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just > > > > using it > > > > > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from the > > > > > > learned ppl like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like foolish/silly.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you said: > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars// > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd > > which > > > > is > > > > > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd > > lord > > > > 3rd > > > > > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting > > the > > > > > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will > > be bad > > > > > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is > > not > > > > the > > > > > > foe of Mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier own > > > > house > > > > > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at > > present. > > > > > > > > > > > > Natives sexual relations > > > > > > > > > > > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual > > > > > > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to > > the > > > > > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to > > convey > > > > > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find > > Rahu in > > > > H8. > > > > > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)// > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th > > and > > > > to my > > > > > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's > > > > sexual > > > > > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced > > by > > > > your > > > > > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to > > this > > > > > > position and other things as you mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married > > life > > > > > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after > > > > marriage > > > > > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of > > 1 and > > > > > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice > > > > Sexual > > > > > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by > > and > > > > > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with > > that, > > > > it is > > > > > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we > > BOTH > > > > are > > > > > > against each other and our mindset does not match hence, > > still > > > > > > living separately... > > > > > > > > > > > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of > > > > Saturn . > > > > > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha > > > > > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such > > > > > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some > > > > > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several > > > > physical > > > > > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual > > > > > > satisfaction from the native?// > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to > > ask > > > > the > > > > > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you talk > > > > about > > > > > > the " Paid Services " then the other party may not be enjoying > > the > > > > > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some > > > > times i > > > > > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in mood:- > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in > > Sexual > > > > > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his native's > > > > > > Nationality? > > > > > > > > > > > > //Relationship with Father > > > > > > > > > > > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I > > am > > > > able > > > > > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad > > is in > > > > > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, > > philosopher & > > > > > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in > > H9 of > > > > > > father , is an argument that he is " attached " to his father. > > He > > > > may > > > > > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your > > > > > > submission , " YET the native respects his Father very much and > > > > willing > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself " // > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is > > that, We > > > > > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a > > > > friends > > > > > > But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT > > My > > > > > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are > > > > entirly > > > > > > diff and problem starts there...But what you > > > > mentioned " Attachment " > > > > > > is not there when compare to the " Attachement " what i have > > with > > > > my > > > > > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL > > Mars > > > > in > > > > > > 9th house of " Dharma " i still respect him as my father...In > > > > general > > > > > > i have great respect for elders... > > > > > > > > > > > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will > > appreciate, > > > > if > > > > > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo- > > graphical > > > > > > co-ordinates// > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist, > > > > > > Karnataka, India > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, pls enlighten , whether > > > > > > > > > > > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills// > > > > > > > > > > > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do > > not > > > > have > > > > > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is required > > > > and if > > > > > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it > > language, > > > > > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly > > out of > > > > > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as > > to > > > > why > > > > > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly, > > > > > > > > > > > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances > > Including my > > > > > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never > > > > > > expecting also.. > > > > > > > > > > > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) but > > > > again > > > > > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts > > and i > > > > > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!! > > > > > > > > > > > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21 > > > > > > > > > > > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any > > year > > > > > > during the course > > > > > > > > > > > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in > > Electronics > > > > some > > > > > > sort of diploma.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater > > details > > > > and > > > > > > guide me.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do respond to me at your convenience > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results > > > > are not > > > > > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart > > in > > > > > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations > > btwn > > > > the > > > > > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your > > > > comments > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your > > further > > > > > > > > comments are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of > > > > Mars.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much > > abt > > > > on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's > > > > only > > > > > > ONE > > > > > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of > > that > > > > > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my > > > > point:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //The native will be attached to his father// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact > > > > lots of > > > > > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that > > led > > > > to > > > > > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the > > > > family > > > > > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much > > and > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's > > Wife > > > > who > > > > > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But > > Not > > > > his > > > > > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it > > robs > > > > the > > > > > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord > > is in > > > > Aq , > > > > > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju > > is > > > > > > equal in > > > > > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign > > you > > > > can > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i > > shall > > > > try > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > find the link and may post for you here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are > > the > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently > > > > WHEN > > > > > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of > > your > > > > > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules > > 8H of > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle > > > > etc. > > > > > > Also > > > > > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > > > > natural > > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a > > eunuch > > > > > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the > > Pratical > > > > > > analysis, > > > > > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon > > after the > > > > > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a > > > > Number > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of > > the > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex > > drive > > > > even > > > > > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > foreigners till today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the > > > > entire > > > > > > > > chart then here's the detail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 > > > > > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM > > > > > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's discuss further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can > > Saturn > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > enemy > > > > > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ? > > > > > > (Satyacharya's > > > > > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but > > > > Saturn > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as > > per > > > > > > panchada > > > > > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have > > nothing to > > > > say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having > > Dual > > > > > > > > ownership is > > > > > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again > > > > stands > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Dharma. > > > > > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it > > robs > > > > the > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a > > fiery > > > > sign . > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a > > positive > > > > > > note, Ju > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is > > powerful > > > > and > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju > > in > > > > Cn , > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the > > > > native is > > > > > > > > burdened > > > > > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to > > act > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules > > 8H of > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, > > testicle > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Also do > > > > > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > > natural > > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve > > > > > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > > > > planet.All > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his > > > > > > inheritances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just > > > > after > > > > > > New > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at > > > > > > > > afternoon .Sun > > > > > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent > > in > > > > more > > > > > > > > than two > > > > > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned > > member > > > > to > > > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > > > me an insight into.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant. > > > > > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in > > Shukra's > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take > > this > > > > > > aspect? > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > it promises in general? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the > > > > > > despositor > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 9th > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear jay , I got it from K N Rao ,when i meet him i will ask the sanskrit quotation as i was not very much purticular abt the sanskrit version i dont bothered to remember that way . If some one profient in sanskrit they can make any sloka if u ppl blv only sanskrit . Free will plays important part in life ,as last birth free will is reflected as ur fate in this birth ,and then if horoscope is as concrete as a cement structure no need of me or u even checking the charts ,what ever shud happen would happen .No business man would need to consult astrologer on his future business prospects or feasibility of his new venture .If each and every thing is pre destermined. Then no need of even punishing the killers or rapists also as he is doing his pre determined karma.Do u it ? There are areas for fate and free will in chart ,which is not the subjuct of discussion here. And i was not only replying u with above words its to remove further posts and doubts on this tread. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "jaydmulder" <emedicineman wrote:>> > Dear Respected Sunil Nair,> > You have quoted,> > Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider free will> > more important, because it is our conscious choices which create our> > fate.> > - Veda Vyasa> > Could I trouble you for the Sanskrit, it is a very profound sloka which> deserves rememberance.> > regards> > JayD> > > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Hare ramakrishna.> >> > dear chann ,> >> > I dont need to reply u further ,You read the mail 1000 times when> > ever u get free time .I criticised u r arroagant reply abt learning> > .Including me replied u abt u r chart in various groups when u were in> > trouble ,even i think in one non site also.> >> > So now u got the taste of it so feeling so ,u dont thnk the other> > person u keep engaged in ur chart is also a human who needs rest and> its> > not his duty to see only ur chart on every day basis ,it happened on> sun> > in various rasi discussions also.> >> > regrding ur question on fate & free will and astrology> >> > pls memorise this.> >> > Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider free> will> > more important, because it is our conscious choices which create our> > fate.> > - Veda Vyasa> >> > rgds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namh> >> > ps .dont bother to reply it as i wont be answering u again .> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Chandu2chill"> > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair,> > >> > > Some of your words u need to take back if you are really a learned> > > and kind person forget about me i am a selfish person came here for> > > Motto. First of all i do not know your motive behind replying to my> > > Discussion thread. I call it a discussion thread B'coz i have not> > > asked for any request for help/reading. If you read my begining of> > > the Thread "carefully". It was my (My Next reply to Mr. M. Nair)> > > natural and eventual reply based on the facts and events on Mr. M.> > > Nair's reply> > >> > > //Most of the 50000 memebrs who in astro groups is coming with> > > these kind of attitude ,either get a prediction or peice meal> > > appraoch of prediction ,Some one helped them they dont care to giv> > > feed back to astrologer.Once you giv prediction you can find them in> > > other group and then in other group .They call it getting another> > > expert opinion,//> > >> > > Pls don't make genaral statement as you are referring to my thread> > > here. And be specific. If you read and notice, i have replyed to Mr.> > > M. Nair with the feedback what i felt is right.> > >> > > //U said i am following u last 2 years ,do u think u worth for it> .Or> > > every days mail s filled with your pathetic request?//> > >> > > I have not said that, you yourself mentioned in your 1st reply Pls> > > refer what you wrote> > >> > > And with regard to classification of Request(s) as pathetic,> > > Excellant, Good, Bad it depends upon the Person's mind-set and how> > > he/she thinks. This is again my personal opinion.> > >> > > //Any way i wanted to make you one thing clear that this group dont> > > promote predictions ,only very few requests r honoured here//> > >> > > Pls show me any request that i made for reading my chart in this> > > group. Except One time where i put some query and got the reply from> > > Mr. Sreenadh Ji.> > >> > > //AS finaly your karma not the noble combinations in chart decides> > > the course of destiny.//> > >> > > This is again very much debatable point you raised. If i ask you> > > then why all these classics, so much of combinations, yogas, Why the> > > Chart itself? When you know as per Karma, destiny will place you and> > > me and all this mankind why is the Astrology?> > >> > > Sincerely i believe in destiny...> > >> > > //I appreciate your style of learning ,a doctor will learn surgery> > > on his body a mortician on his dead body and an enginear will break> > > his own house and make new houses.//> > >> > > Your analogy is bit ambiguous and circumspect.> > >> > > If all the professors/teachers had the mind-set of not to> > > nurture/guide his/her pupil thinking that if i guide/teach them> > > properly they will surpass me and i become redundant, then this> > > whole world would have not been there with the progress. It is up-to> > > the the Students and each individual's ability/skill with which they> > > Excel.. and ofcourse with the Destiny...> > >> > >> > > //This is utter thank less way of responding to some body and any> > > learning needs humbleness and ready to learn and the teacher or who> > > ever teaches u he will teach u in his own way not your own way//> > >> > > Pls note that, whoever taught, me in any forum, i have responded to> > > them in a way what i supposed to. And thank them> > >> > > Can you be specific as to what you wrote which is something learning> > > (Astrologically) in your 1st reply for me?> > >> > > Yes teacher has his/her own way of teaching method, again it depends> > > upon the student how he/she grasps it. make use of it and apply it.> > > Again in his/her own way..> > >> > > //Even your query u r not mentioning its your chart ,it was placed> > > in front of astrologers as if some known persons chart.And u were> > > acting like some virgin in astrology//> > >> > > I honestly didn't understand what you are trying to say...!?> > >> > > As you are aware, even if you have 20 Yrs exp in Astrology you are> > > still a Student and in my opinion any knowledge/skill in general and> > > Astrology perticular, is a continuous process..Hope you agree with> > > me on this...> > >> > > //wish u happy learning in your own selfish way .which u will hav to> > > suffer more for your attitude.//> > >> > > Are you praising me or cursing? In any case, i appreciate your> > > valuable time...> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Chann> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > >> , "Chandu2chill"> > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair,> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel is> > > right.> > > > > At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other person's> > > way> > > > > of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of thinking and> > > in> > > > > my opinion we should respect that.> > > > >> > > > > Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't wanted> to> > > > > comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s)made me> to> > > > > write...Hope you will take it in right perspective.> > > > >> > > > > Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me.> > > > >> > > > > //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same.//> > > > >> > > > > That is when the problems started for me... appreciate your> > > > > observations> > > > >> > > > > //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must regretfully say> > > > > that its not right approach to study astrology.//> > > > >> > > > > That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I don't> > > > > want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, Sachin> > > > > Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest in> them.> > > > > May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is right.> > > > >> > > > > //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions tru> > > > > variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with statement> > > that> > > > > none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best> > > professional> > > > > astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum> > > that a> > > > > astrologer shud suffer poverty//> > > > >> > > > > Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the predictions> from> > > > > various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and thankful> to> > > > > them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether thier> > > > > prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions led me> > > to> > > > > dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it has> > > Enhanced> > > > > my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!.> > > > >> > > > > Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid and who> > > all> > > > > are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this info as> > > well> > > > > as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-)> > > > >> > > > > //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur chart> > > > > saying this is ur frnds chart.//> > > > >> > > > > You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum saying> > > > > that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my Email ID> > > or> > > > > Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for other> form> > > > > which is not belonging to any of Astro groups.> > > > >> > > > > I do not believe in that..> > > > >> > > > > Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties with you> > > nor> > > > > with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this my way> > > of> > > > > learining and will continue...> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Chann> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ,> "Chandu2chill"> > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying> > > as i> > > > > was> > > > > > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i> > > > > discuss> > > > > > > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of> > > > > > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of> > > > > > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart> > > with> > > > > the> > > > > > > Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why> > > is> > > > > it so> > > > > > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just> > > > > using it> > > > > > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from> the> > > > > > > learned ppl like you.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like> foolish/silly..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Well, you said:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd> > > which> > > > > is> > > > > > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd> > > lord> > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting> > > the> > > > > > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will> > > be bad> > > > > > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is> > > not> > > > > the> > > > > > > foe of Mars?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier> own> > > > > house> > > > > > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at> > > present.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Natives sexual relations> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual> > > > > > > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to> > > the> > > > > > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to> > > convey> > > > > > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find> > > Rahu in> > > > > H8.> > > > > > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th> > > and> > > > > to my> > > > > > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's> > > > > sexual> > > > > > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced> > > by> > > > > your> > > > > > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to> > > this> > > > > > > position and other things as you mentioned above.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married> > > life> > > > > > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after> > > > > marriage> > > > > > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of> > > 1 and> > > > > > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice> > > > > Sexual> > > > > > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by> > > and> > > > > > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with> > > that,> > > > > it is> > > > > > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we> > > BOTH> > > > > are> > > > > > > against each other and our mindset does not match hence,> > > still> > > > > > > living separately...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of> > > > > Saturn .> > > > > > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha> > > > > > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as> such> > > > > > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some> > > > > > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several> > > > > physical> > > > > > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived> sexual> > > > > > > satisfaction from the native?//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to> > > ask> > > > > the> > > > > > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you> talk> > > > > about> > > > > > > the "Paid Services" then the other party may not be enjoying> > > the> > > > > > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some> > > > > times i> > > > > > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in> mood:-> > > )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in> > > Sexual> > > > > > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his> native's> > > > > > > Nationality?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //Relationship with Father> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I> > > am> > > > > able> > > > > > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad> > > is in> > > > > > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend,> > > philosopher & > > > > > > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in> > > H9 of> > > > > > > father , is an argument that he is "attached" to his father.> > > He> > > > > may> > > > > > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your> > > > > > > submission ,"YET the native respects his Father very much> and> > > > > willing> > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself"//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is> > > that, We> > > > > > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a> > > > > friends> > > > > > > But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT> > > My> > > > > > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are> > > > > entirly> > > > > > > diff and problem starts there...But what you> > > > > mentioned "Attachment"> > > > > > > is not there when compare to the "Attachement" what i have> > > with> > > > > my> > > > > > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL> > > Mars> > > > > in> > > > > > > 9th house of "Dharma" i still respect him as my father...In> > > > > general> > > > > > > i have great respect for elders...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will> > > appreciate,> > > > > if> > > > > > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo-> > > graphical> > > > > > > co-ordinates//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist,> > > > > > > Karnataka, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also, pls enlighten , whether> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do> > > not> > > > > have> > > > > > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is> required> > > > > and if> > > > > > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it> > > language,> > > > > > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly> > > out of> > > > > > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as> > > to> > > > > why> > > > > > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances> > > Including my> > > > > > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never> > > > > > > expecting also..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-)> but> > > > > again> > > > > > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts> > > and i> > > > > > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any> > > year> > > > > > > during the course> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in> > > Electronics> > > > > some> > > > > > > sort of diploma..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater> > > details> > > > > and> > > > > > > guide me..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do respond to me at your convenience> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chann> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Balagurusurya"> > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > M Nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Interesting analysis But some> statements/readings/results> > > > > are not> > > > > > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart> > > in> > > > > > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations> > > btwn> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your> > > > > comments> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your> > > further> > > > > > > > > comments are wel-come!:-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of> > > > > Mars.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much> > > abt> > > > > on> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How> there's> > > > > only> > > > > > > ONE> > > > > > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of> > > that> > > > > > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my> > > > > point:-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //The native will be attached to his father//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact> > > > > lots of> > > > > > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that> > > led> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the> > > > > family> > > > > > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much> > > and> > > > > > > willing> > > > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's> > > Wife> > > > > who> > > > > > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But> > > Not> > > > > his> > > > > > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it> > > robs> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in> a> > > > > fiery> > > > > > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord> > > is in> > > > > Aq ,> > > > > > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju> > > is> > > > > > > equal in> > > > > > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign> > > you> > > > > can> > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i> > > shall> > > > > try> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > find the link and may post for you here.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are> > > the> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most> importently> > > > > WHEN> > > > > > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of> > > your> > > > > > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules> > > 8H of> > > > > > > sexual> > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone,> testicle> > > > > etc.> > > > > > > Also> > > > > > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the> > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a> > > eunuch> > > > > > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the> > > Pratical> > > > > > > analysis,> > > > > > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon> > > after the> > > > > > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a> > > > > Number> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of> > > the> > > > > > > opposite> > > > > > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex> > > drive> > > > > even> > > > > > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with> others> > > > > > > including> > > > > > > > > foreigners till today!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the> > > > > entire> > > > > > > > > chart then here's the detail> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975> > > > > > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM> > > > > > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let's discuss further> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "Balagurusurya"> > > > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can> > > Saturn> > > > > be> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > enemy> > > > > > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ?> > > > > > > (Satyacharya's> > > > > > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but> > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as> > > per> > > > > > > panchada> > > > > > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have> > > nothing to> > > > > say.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having> > > Dual> > > > > > > > > ownership is> > > > > > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical> > > with> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again> > > > > stands> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > Dharma.> > > > > > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it> > > robs> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > action> > > > > > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a> > > fiery> > > > > sign .> > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a> > > positive> > > > > > > note, Ju> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is> > > powerful> > > > > and> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju> > > in> > > > > Cn ,> > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the> > > > > native is> > > > > > > > > burdened> > > > > > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to> > > act> > > > > in> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > manner> > > > > > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules> > > 8H of> > > > > > > sexual> > > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone,> > > testicle> > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > Also do> > > > > > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the> > > natural> > > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve> > > > > > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch> > > > > planet.All> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his> > > > > > > inheritances.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or> just> > > > > after> > > > > > > New> > > > > > > > > Moon.> > > > > > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at> > > > > > > > > afternoon .Sun> > > > > > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys> directional> > > > > > > strength> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Best> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > M Nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent> > > in> > > > > more> > > > > > > > > than two> > > > > > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > Ji's> > > > > > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned> > > member> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > provide> > > > > > > > > > > me an insight into..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant.> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in> > > Shukra's> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take> > > this> > > > > > > aspect?> > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > it promises in general?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is> the> > > > > > > despositor> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 9th> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th> > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chann> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Dear Chandu ji, Please end this thread. It is an astrological forum and let the mails be filled with valid astrological content that is benefical to all. Love, Sreenadh , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > Some of your words u need to take back if you are really a learned > and kind person forget about me i am a selfish person came here for > Motto. First of all i do not know your motive behind replying to my > Discussion thread. I call it a discussion thread B'coz i have not > asked for any request for help/reading. If you read my begining of > the Thread " carefully " . It was my (My Next reply to Mr. M. Nair) > natural and eventual reply based on the facts and events on Mr. M. > Nair's reply > > //Most of the 50000 memebrs who in astro groups is coming with > these kind of attitude ,either get a prediction or peice meal > appraoch of prediction ,Some one helped them they dont care to giv > feed back to astrologer.Once you giv prediction you can find them in > other group and then in other group .They call it getting another > expert opinion,// > > Pls don't make genaral statement as you are referring to my thread > here. And be specific. If you read and notice, i have replyed to Mr. > M. Nair with the feedback what i felt is right. > > //U said i am following u last 2 years ,do u think u worth for it .Or > every days mail s filled with your pathetic request?// > > I have not said that, you yourself mentioned in your 1st reply Pls > refer what you wrote > > And with regard to classification of Request(s) as pathetic, > Excellant, Good, Bad it depends upon the Person's mind-set and how > he/she thinks. This is again my personal opinion. > > //Any way i wanted to make you one thing clear that this group dont > promote predictions ,only very few requests r honoured here// > > Pls show me any request that i made for reading my chart in this > group. Except One time where i put some query and got the reply from > Mr. Sreenadh Ji. > > //AS finaly your karma not the noble combinations in chart decides > the course of destiny.// > > This is again very much debatable point you raised. If i ask you > then why all these classics, so much of combinations, yogas, Why the > Chart itself? When you know as per Karma, destiny will place you and > me and all this mankind why is the Astrology? > > Sincerely i believe in destiny... > > //I appreciate your style of learning ,a doctor will learn surgery > on his body a mortician on his dead body and an enginear will break > his own house and make new houses.// > > Your analogy is bit ambiguous and circumspect. > > If all the professors/teachers had the mind-set of not to > nurture/guide his/her pupil thinking that if i guide/teach them > properly they will surpass me and i become redundant, then this > whole world would have not been there with the progress. It is up- to > the the Students and each individual's ability/skill with which they > Excel.. and ofcourse with the Destiny... > > > //This is utter thank less way of responding to some body and any > learning needs humbleness and ready to learn and the teacher or who > ever teaches u he will teach u in his own way not your own way// > > Pls note that, whoever taught, me in any forum, i have responded to > them in a way what i supposed to. And thank them > > Can you be specific as to what you wrote which is something learning > (Astrologically) in your 1st reply for me? > > Yes teacher has his/her own way of teaching method, again it depends > upon the student how he/she grasps it. make use of it and apply it. > Again in his/her own way.. > > //Even your query u r not mentioning its your chart ,it was placed > in front of astrologers as if some known persons chart.And u were > acting like some virgin in astrology// > > I honestly didn't understand what you are trying to say...!? > > As you are aware, even if you have 20 Yrs exp in Astrology you are > still a Student and in my opinion any knowledge/skill in general and > Astrology perticular, is a continuous process..Hope you agree with > me on this... > > //wish u happy learning in your own selfish way .which u will hav to > suffer more for your attitude.// > > Are you praising me or cursing? In any case, i appreciate your > valuable time... > > Regards > > Chann > > > , " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > >> , " Chandu2chill " > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > > > > > Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel is > right. > > > At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other person's > way > > > of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of thinking and > in > > > my opinion we should respect that. > > > > > > Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't wanted to > > > comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s)made me to > > > write...Hope you will take it in right perspective. > > > > > > Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me. > > > > > > //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same.// > > > > > > That is when the problems started for me... appreciate your > > > observations > > > > > > //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must regretfully say > > > that its not right approach to study astrology.// > > > > > > That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I don't > > > want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, Sachin > > > Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest in them. > > > May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is right. > > > > > > //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions tru > > > variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with statement > that > > > none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best > professional > > > astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum > that a > > > astrologer shud suffer poverty// > > > > > > Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the predictions from > > > various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and thankful to > > > them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether thier > > > prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions led me > to > > > dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it has > Enhanced > > > my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!. > > > > > > Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid and who > all > > > are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this info as > well > > > as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-) > > > > > > //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur chart > > > saying this is ur frnds chart.// > > > > > > You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum saying > > > that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my Email ID > or > > > Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for other form > > > which is not belonging to any of Astro groups. > > > > > > I do not believe in that.. > > > > > > Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties with you > nor > > > with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this my way > of > > > learining and will continue... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Chandu2chill " > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying > as i > > > was > > > > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese. > > > > > > > > > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while i > > > discuss > > > > > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of > > > > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems of > > > > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the chart > with > > > the > > > > > Practical events of the native and then try to find-out why > is > > > it so > > > > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am just > > > using it > > > > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from the > > > > > learned ppl like you. > > > > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like foolish/silly.. > > > > > > > > > > Well, you said: > > > > > > > > > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars// > > > > > > > > > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd > which > > > is > > > > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd > lord > > > 3rd > > > > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon. > > > > > > > > > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is aspecting > the > > > > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will > be bad > > > > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn is > not > > > the > > > > > foe of Mars? > > > > > > > > > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier own > > > house > > > > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on this? > > > > > > > > > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at > present. > > > > > > > > > > Natives sexual relations > > > > > > > > > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious sexual > > > > > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to > the > > > > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to > convey > > > > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find > Rahu in > > > H8. > > > > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by Sat(Rx)// > > > > > > > > > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th > and > > > to my > > > > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt native's > > > sexual > > > > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not convinced > by > > > your > > > > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to > this > > > > > position and other things as you mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome married > life > > > > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after > > > marriage > > > > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap of > 1 and > > > > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a nice > > > Sexual > > > > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but by > and > > > > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with > that, > > > it is > > > > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which we > BOTH > > > are > > > > > against each other and our mindset does not match hence, > still > > > > > living separately... > > > > > > > > > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign of > > > Saturn . > > > > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and badha > > > > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as such > > > > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have some > > > > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several > > > physical > > > > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived sexual > > > > > satisfaction from the native?// > > > > > > > > > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to > ask > > > the > > > > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you talk > > > about > > > > > the " Paid Services " then the other party may not be enjoying > the > > > > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But some > > > times i > > > > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in mood:- > ) > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in > Sexual > > > > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his native's > > > > > Nationality? > > > > > > > > > > //Relationship with Father > > > > > > > > > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what I > am > > > able > > > > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of Dad > is in > > > > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, > philosopher & > > > > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in > H9 of > > > > > father , is an argument that he is " attached " to his father. > He > > > may > > > > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your > > > > > submission , " YET the native respects his Father very much and > > > willing > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself " // > > > > > > > > > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is > that, We > > > > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like a > > > friends > > > > > But each one respects each other even we booze together..BUT > My > > > > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns are > > > entirly > > > > > diff and problem starts there...But what you > > > mentioned " Attachment " > > > > > is not there when compare to the " Attachement " what i have > with > > > my > > > > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my LL > Mars > > > in > > > > > 9th house of " Dharma " i still respect him as my father...In > > > general > > > > > i have great respect for elders... > > > > > > > > > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will > appreciate, > > > if > > > > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo- > graphical > > > > > co-ordinates// > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag dist, > > > > > Karnataka, India > > > > > > > > > > Also, pls enlighten , whether > > > > > > > > > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills// > > > > > > > > > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i do > not > > > have > > > > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is required > > > and if > > > > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it > language, > > > > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly > out of > > > > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle as > to > > > why > > > > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly, > > > > > > > > > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances > > > > > > > > > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances > Including my > > > > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and never > > > > > expecting also.. > > > > > > > > > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) but > > > again > > > > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts > and i > > > > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!! > > > > > > > > > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21 > > > > > > > > > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in any > year > > > > > during the course > > > > > > > > > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in > Electronics > > > some > > > > > sort of diploma.. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater > details > > > and > > > > > guide me.. > > > > > > > > > > Do respond to me at your convenience > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting analysis But some statements/readings/results > > > are not > > > > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the Chart > in > > > > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any relations > btwn > > > the > > > > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your > > > comments > > > > > are > > > > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your > further > > > > > > > comments are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy of > > > Mars.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know much > abt > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How there's > > > only > > > > > ONE > > > > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy of > that > > > > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my > > > point:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //The native will be attached to his father// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In fact > > > lots of > > > > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) that > led > > > to > > > > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of the > > > family > > > > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very much > and > > > > > willing > > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and Native's > Wife > > > who > > > > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE But > Not > > > his > > > > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it > robs > > > the > > > > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a > > > fiery > > > > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and indolent// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord > is in > > > Aq , > > > > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq Ju > is > > > > > equal in > > > > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign > you > > > can > > > > > find > > > > > > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i > shall > > > try > > > > > and > > > > > > > find the link and may post for you here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what are > the > > > > > results > > > > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most importently > > > WHEN > > > > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any of > your > > > > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules > 8H of > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, testicle > > > etc. > > > > > Also > > > > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > > > natural > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a > eunuch > > > > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the > Pratical > > > > > analysis, > > > > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon > after the > > > > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had a > > > Number > > > > > of > > > > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent of > the > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex > drive > > > even > > > > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with others > > > > > including > > > > > > > foreigners till today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study the > > > entire > > > > > > > chart then here's the detail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 > > > > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM > > > > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's discuss further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can > Saturn > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > > enemy > > > > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ? > > > > > (Satyacharya's > > > > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy but > > > Saturn > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question as > per > > > > > panchada > > > > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have > nothing to > > > say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having > Dual > > > > > > > ownership is > > > > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that again > > > stands > > > > > for > > > > > > > Dharma. > > > > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it > robs > > > the > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a > fiery > > > sign . > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a > positive > > > > > note, Ju > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is > powerful > > > and > > > > > some > > > > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to Ju > in > > > Cn , > > > > > its > > > > > > > > exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, the > > > native is > > > > > > > burdened > > > > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able to > act > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord rules > 8H of > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, > testicle > > > etc. > > > > > > > Also do > > > > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > natural > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve > > > > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > > > planet.All > > > > > this > > > > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his > > > > > inheritances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or just > > > after > > > > > New > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at > > > > > > > afternoon .Sun > > > > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys directional > > > > > strength > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native fluent > in > > > more > > > > > > > than two > > > > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for > > > Sreenadh > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned > member > > > to > > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > > me an insight into.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant. > > > > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in > Shukra's > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take > this > > > > > aspect? > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > it promises in general? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is the > > > > > despositor > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house > > > > > > > > > Mars in 9th > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Dear JayD ji Sunil ji, I don't know that sloka of Veda vayasa. But I remember a sloka with similar meaning from Yanjavalkya smriti. The sloka starts like this – Daive Purushakare cha karma sidhir vyavastita ............................................. ............................................. ...................... Paurusham Paurva dehikam. Pardon my poor memory. I will supply the complete sloka tomorrow. Love, Sreenadh , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > dear jay , > > I got it from K N Rao ,when i meet him i will ask the sanskrit > quotation as i was not very much purticular abt the sanskrit version i > dont bothered to remember that way . > > If some one profient in sanskrit they can make any sloka if u ppl blv > only sanskrit . > > Free will plays important part in life ,as last birth free will is > reflected as ur fate in this birth ,and then if horoscope is as concrete > as a cement structure no need of me or u even checking the charts ,what > ever shud happen would happen .No business man would need to consult > astrologer on his future business prospects or feasibility of his new > venture .If each and every thing is pre destermined. > > Then no need of even punishing the killers or rapists also as he is > doing his pre determined karma.Do u it ? > > There are areas for fate and free will in chart ,which is not the > subjuct of discussion here. > > And i was not only replying u with above words its to remove further > posts and doubts on this tread. > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > , " jaydmulder " > <emedicineman@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Respected Sunil Nair, > > > > You have quoted, > > > > Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider free > will > > > more important, because it is our conscious choices which create our > > > fate. > > > - Veda Vyasa > > > > Could I trouble you for the Sanskrit, it is a very profound sloka > which > > deserves rememberance. > > > > regards > > > > JayD > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna. > > > > > > dear chann , > > > > > > I dont need to reply u further ,You read the mail 1000 times when > > > ever u get free time .I criticised u r arroagant reply abt learning > > > .Including me replied u abt u r chart in various groups when u were > in > > > trouble ,even i think in one non site also. > > > > > > So now u got the taste of it so feeling so ,u dont thnk the other > > > person u keep engaged in ur chart is also a human who needs rest and > > its > > > not his duty to see only ur chart on every day basis ,it happened on > > sun > > > in various rasi discussions also. > > > > > > regrding ur question on fate & free will and astrology > > > > > > pls memorise this. > > > > > > Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider free > > will > > > more important, because it is our conscious choices which create our > > > fate. > > > - Veda Vyasa > > > > > > rgds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namh > > > > > > ps .dont bother to reply it as i wont be answering u again . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > > > > > > > Some of your words u need to take back if you are really a learned > > > > and kind person forget about me i am a selfish person came here > for > > > > Motto. First of all i do not know your motive behind replying to > my > > > > Discussion thread. I call it a discussion thread B'coz i have not > > > > asked for any request for help/reading. If you read my begining of > > > > the Thread " carefully " . It was my (My Next reply to Mr. M. Nair) > > > > natural and eventual reply based on the facts and events on Mr. M. > > > > Nair's reply > > > > > > > > //Most of the 50000 memebrs who in astro groups is coming > with > > > > these kind of attitude ,either get a prediction or peice meal > > > > appraoch of prediction ,Some one helped them they dont care to giv > > > > feed back to astrologer.Once you giv prediction you can find them > in > > > > other group and then in other group .They call it getting another > > > > expert opinion,// > > > > > > > > Pls don't make genaral statement as you are referring to my thread > > > > here. And be specific. If you read and notice, i have replyed to > Mr. > > > > M. Nair with the feedback what i felt is right. > > > > > > > > //U said i am following u last 2 years ,do u think u worth for it > > .Or > > > > every days mail s filled with your pathetic request?// > > > > > > > > I have not said that, you yourself mentioned in your 1st reply Pls > > > > refer what you wrote > > > > > > > > And with regard to classification of Request(s) as pathetic, > > > > Excellant, Good, Bad it depends upon the Person's mind-set and how > > > > he/she thinks. This is again my personal opinion. > > > > > > > > //Any way i wanted to make you one thing clear that this group > dont > > > > promote predictions ,only very few requests r honoured here// > > > > > > > > Pls show me any request that i made for reading my chart in this > > > > group. Except One time where i put some query and got the reply > from > > > > Mr. Sreenadh Ji. > > > > > > > > //AS finaly your karma not the noble combinations in chart decides > > > > the course of destiny.// > > > > > > > > This is again very much debatable point you raised. If i ask you > > > > then why all these classics, so much of combinations, yogas, Why > the > > > > Chart itself? When you know as per Karma, destiny will place you > and > > > > me and all this mankind why is the Astrology? > > > > > > > > Sincerely i believe in destiny... > > > > > > > > //I appreciate your style of learning ,a doctor will learn surgery > > > > on his body a mortician on his dead body and an enginear will > break > > > > his own house and make new houses.// > > > > > > > > Your analogy is bit ambiguous and circumspect. > > > > > > > > If all the professors/teachers had the mind-set of not to > > > > nurture/guide his/her pupil thinking that if i guide/teach them > > > > properly they will surpass me and i become redundant, then this > > > > whole world would have not been there with the progress. It is > up-to > > > > the the Students and each individual's ability/skill with which > they > > > > Excel.. and ofcourse with the Destiny... > > > > > > > > > > > > //This is utter thank less way of responding to some body and any > > > > learning needs humbleness and ready to learn and the teacher or > who > > > > ever teaches u he will teach u in his own way not your own way// > > > > > > > > Pls note that, whoever taught, me in any forum, i have responded > to > > > > them in a way what i supposed to. And thank them > > > > > > > > Can you be specific as to what you wrote which is something > learning > > > > (Astrologically) in your 1st reply for me? > > > > > > > > Yes teacher has his/her own way of teaching method, again it > depends > > > > upon the student how he/she grasps it. make use of it and apply > it. > > > > Again in his/her own way.. > > > > > > > > //Even your query u r not mentioning its your chart ,it was placed > > > > in front of astrologers as if some known persons chart.And u were > > > > acting like some virgin in astrology// > > > > > > > > I honestly didn't understand what you are trying to say...!? > > > > > > > > As you are aware, even if you have 20 Yrs exp in Astrology you are > > > > still a Student and in my opinion any knowledge/skill in general > and > > > > Astrology perticular, is a continuous process..Hope you agree with > > > > me on this... > > > > > > > > //wish u happy learning in your own selfish way .which u will hav > to > > > > suffer more for your attitude.// > > > > > > > > Are you praising me or cursing? In any case, i appreciate your > > > > valuable time... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > >> --- In , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel is > > > > right. > > > > > > At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other person's > > > > way > > > > > > of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of thinking > and > > > > in > > > > > > my opinion we should respect that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't wanted > > to > > > > > > comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s) made me > > to > > > > > > write...Hope you will take it in right perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > That is when the problems started for me... appreciate your > > > > > > observations > > > > > > > > > > > > //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must regretfully > say > > > > > > that its not right approach to study astrology.// > > > > > > > > > > > > That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I > don't > > > > > > want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, Sachin > > > > > > Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest in > > them. > > > > > > May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got predictions > tru > > > > > > variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with > statement > > > > that > > > > > > none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best > > > > professional > > > > > > astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic dictum > > > > that a > > > > > > astrologer shud suffer poverty// > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the predictions > > from > > > > > > various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and thankful > > to > > > > > > them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether > thier > > > > > > prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions led > me > > > > to > > > > > > dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it has > > > > Enhanced > > > > > > my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid and > who > > > > all > > > > > > are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this info > as > > > > well > > > > > > as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur > chart > > > > > > saying this is ur frnds chart.// > > > > > > > > > > > > You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum > saying > > > > > > that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my Email > ID > > > > or > > > > > > Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for other > > form > > > > > > which is not belonging to any of Astro groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not believe in that.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties with > you > > > > nor > > > > > > with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this my > way > > > > of > > > > > > learining and will continue... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in replying > > > > as i > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts while > i > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > anything with others And with Astrology having so much of > > > > > > > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff systems > of > > > > > > > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the > chart > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Practical events of the native and then try to find- out > why > > > > is > > > > > > it so > > > > > > > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am > just > > > > > > using it > > > > > > > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn from > > the > > > > > > > > learned ppl like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like > > foolish/silly.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of Mars// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned in 3rd > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge of 3rd > > > > lord > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is > aspecting > > > > the > > > > > > > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there will > > > > be bad > > > > > > > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When Saturn > is > > > > not > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > foe of Mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in thier > > own > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at > > > > present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natives sexual relations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious > sexual > > > > > > > > connections, since our discussions were solely confined to > > > > the > > > > > > > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was trying to > > > > convey > > > > > > > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We find > > > > Rahu in > > > > > > H8. > > > > > > > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by > Sat(Rx)// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL in 9th > > > > and > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt > native's > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not > convinced > > > > by > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native due to > > > > this > > > > > > > > position and other things as you mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome > married > > > > life > > > > > > > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days after > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a gap > of > > > > 1 and > > > > > > > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a > nice > > > > > > Sexual > > > > > > > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn but > by > > > > and > > > > > > > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems with > > > > that, > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in which > we > > > > BOTH > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > against each other and our mindset does not match hence, > > > > still > > > > > > > > living separately... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the sign > of > > > > > > Saturn . > > > > > > > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and > badha > > > > > > > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch planet ;as > > such > > > > > > > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should have > some > > > > > > > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have several > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived > > sexual > > > > > > > > satisfaction from the native?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i have to > > > > ask > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if you > > talk > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > the " Paid Services " then the other party may not be > enjoying > > > > the > > > > > > > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. But > some > > > > > > times i > > > > > > > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in > > mood:- > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection (especially in > > > > Sexual > > > > > > > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his > > native's > > > > > > > > Nationality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Relationship with Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is what > I > > > > am > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 of > Dad > > > > is in > > > > > > > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, > > > > philosopher & > > > > > > > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac Lord in > > > > H9 of > > > > > > > > father , is an argument that he is " attached " to his > father. > > > > He > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From your > > > > > > > > submission , " YET the native respects his Father very much > > and > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself " // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again is > > > > that, We > > > > > > > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live like > a > > > > > > friends > > > > > > > > But each one respects each other even we booze > together..BUT > > > > My > > > > > > > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking patterns > are > > > > > > entirly > > > > > > > > diff and problem starts there...But what you > > > > > > mentioned " Attachment " > > > > > > > > is not there when compare to the " Attachement " what i have > > > > with > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be my > LL > > > > Mars > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9th house of " Dharma " i still respect him as my > father...In > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > i have great respect for elders... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will > > > > appreciate, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than geo- > > > > graphical > > > > > > > > co-ordinates// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag > dist, > > > > > > > > Karnataka, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, pls enlighten , whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages and i > do > > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is > > required > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be it > > > > language, > > > > > > > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this Astrology....Purly > > > > out of > > > > > > > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological angle > as > > > > to > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances > > > > Including my > > > > > > > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and > never > > > > > > > > expecting also.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as Inheritance :-) > > but > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his Debts > > > > and i > > > > > > > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK Friend!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing in > any > > > > year > > > > > > > > during the course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in > > > > Electronics > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > sort of diploma.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater > > > > details > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > guide me.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do respond to me at your convenience > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting analysis But some > > statements/readings/results > > > > > > are not > > > > > > > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the > Chart > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any > relations > > > > btwn > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all your > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. Your > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > comments are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the enemy > of > > > > > > Mars.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't know > much > > > > abt > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How > > there's > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > ONE > > > > > > > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an Enemy > of > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you got my > > > > > > point:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //The native will be attached to his father// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. In > fact > > > > > > lots of > > > > > > > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) > that > > > > led > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most of > the > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very > much > > > > and > > > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and > Native's > > > > Wife > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his WIFE > But > > > > Not > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical Events) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it > > > > robs > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed > in > > a > > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and > indolent// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc lord > > > > is in > > > > > > Aq , > > > > > > > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers consider Aq > Ju > > > > is > > > > > > > > equal in > > > > > > > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation sign > > > > you > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > lot of info on this subject on www.mysticboard.com i > > > > shall > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > find the link and may post for you here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and what > are > > > > the > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most > > importently > > > > > > WHEN > > > > > > > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. Any > of > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord > rules > > > > 8H of > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, > > testicle > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Also > > > > > > > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a > > > > eunuch > > > > > > > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the > > > > Pratical > > > > > > > > analysis, > > > > > > > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby soon > > > > after the > > > > > > > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, native had > a > > > > > > Number > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal Consent > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus Sex > > > > drive > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with > > others > > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > > foreigners till today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to study > the > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > chart then here's the detail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's discuss further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How can > > > > Saturn > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > enemy > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of Mars ? > > > > > > > > (Satyacharya's > > > > > > > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's enemy > but > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the question > as > > > > per > > > > > > > > panchada > > > > > > > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have > > > > nothing to > > > > > > say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars having > > > > Dual > > > > > > > > > > ownership is > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , identical > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that > again > > > > > > stands > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx Sat , it > > > > robs > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed in a > > > > fiery > > > > > > sign . > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a > > > > positive > > > > > > > > note, Ju > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is > > > > powerful > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength to > Ju > > > > in > > > > > > Cn , > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this case, > the > > > > > > native is > > > > > > > > > > burdened > > > > > > > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be able > to > > > > act > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord > rules > > > > 8H of > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, > > > > testicle > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Also do > > > > > > > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of the > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve > > > > > > > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a eunuch > > > > > > planet.All > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting his > > > > > > > > inheritances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to or > > just > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > New > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth occured at > > > > > > > > > > afternoon .Sun > > > > > > > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys > > directional > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native > fluent > > > > in > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > than two > > > > > > > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting for > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all learned > > > > member > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > > > > > me an insight into.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) in > > > > Shukra's > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just take > > > > this > > > > > > > > aspect? > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > it promises in general? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and he is > > the > > > > > > > > despositor > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 9th > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Dear JayD ji, The sloka with the similar meaning from Yanjavalkya smriti is quoted below - Daive purushakare cha karmasidhir vyavasthita Tatra daivamabhivyaktam paurusham paurvadehikam kechid daivat swabhavadwa kelat purushakarataH samyoge kechidiChandi bhalam kusala buddhayaH Yedhahyekena chakrena radhasya na gatir bhavet Evam purushakarena vina daivam na sidhyati (Yanjavalkya smriti) [The results of actions (Karma) depends on both Fate and free will. (they are equally powerful forces). There too fate is nothing but accumulated result of free will (conscious choices) made in previous birth (previous form). Some say that Fate is behind everything, some say Nature (of things) is behind everything, some say Purusha (the ultimate radiant male energy: Sankhya Sastra tell this) is behind everything. Some intelligent ones say that all these together are behind everything. (These are all different names attributed to fate). Like a chariot cannot move with a single wheel alone, so is Fate and Free will. With out Free will fate cannot be gained] Thus the statement - * Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider free will more important, because it is our conscious choices which create our fate. This argument is evident in the above sloka. Saravali states - " Poorva janma janitam puratana karmam Daivam iti samprachakshate " [if is accumulated result of actions in previous birth (Result of executing free will in past lives), that is termed Fate in this birth] Thus Fate is nothing but result of Freewill, result of the conscious choices in many pasts lives and forms. Even in this life with out Free will nothing can materialize. Astrology too appreciate this paradigm of thinking - It is not fatalistic; but rather in favor of free will, and supports free will; the conscious choices. Note: But this true is true that when we are choosing, we are fragmenting, classifying - using mind. A fragmented mind cannot reflect the whole. Thus execution of free will means becoming fragmented – accumulating karma for coming births - loosing the whole; a path that is not of the sage. A true sage a true enlightened man is without choice - neither after fate nor after freewill - but beyond both. Love, Sreenadh , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear JayD ji Sunil ji, > I don't know that sloka of Veda vayasa. But I remember a sloka with > similar meaning from Yanjavalkya smriti. The sloka starts like this – > > Daive Purushakare cha karma sidhir vyavastita > ............................................. > ............................................. > ...................... Paurusham Paurva dehikam. > > Pardon my poor memory. I will supply the complete sloka > tomorrow. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > dear jay , > > > > I got it from K N Rao ,when i meet him i will ask the sanskrit > > quotation as i was not very much purticular abt the sanskrit > version i > > dont bothered to remember that way . > > > > If some one profient in sanskrit they can make any sloka if u > ppl blv > > only sanskrit . > > > > Free will plays important part in life ,as last birth free will > is > > reflected as ur fate in this birth ,and then if horoscope is as > concrete > > as a cement structure no need of me or u even checking the > charts ,what > > ever shud happen would happen .No business man would need to consult > > astrologer on his future business prospects or feasibility of his > new > > venture .If each and every thing is pre destermined. > > > > Then no need of even punishing the killers or rapists also as he is > > doing his pre determined karma.Do u it ? > > > > There are areas for fate and free will in chart ,which is not the > > subjuct of discussion here. > > > > And i was not only replying u with above words its to remove > further > > posts and doubts on this tread. > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > , " jaydmulder " > > <emedicineman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Sunil Nair, > > > > > > You have quoted, > > > > > > Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider > free > > will > > > > more important, because it is our conscious choices which > create our > > > > fate. > > > > - Veda Vyasa > > > > > > Could I trouble you for the Sanskrit, it is a very profound sloka > > which > > > deserves rememberance. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > JayD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna. > > > > > > > > dear chann , > > > > > > > > I dont need to reply u further ,You read the mail 1000 times > when > > > > ever u get free time .I criticised u r arroagant reply abt > learning > > > > .Including me replied u abt u r chart in various groups when u > were > > in > > > > trouble ,even i think in one non site also. > > > > > > > > So now u got the taste of it so feeling so ,u dont thnk the > other > > > > person u keep engaged in ur chart is also a human who needs > rest and > > > its > > > > not his duty to see only ur chart on every day basis ,it > happened on > > > sun > > > > in various rasi discussions also. > > > > > > > > regrding ur question on fate & free will and astrology > > > > > > > > pls memorise this. > > > > > > > > Fate and free will are equally powerful forces. Yet I consider > free > > > will > > > > more important, because it is our conscious choices which > create our > > > > fate. > > > > - Veda Vyasa > > > > > > > > rgds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namh > > > > > > > > ps .dont bother to reply it as i wont be answering u again . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Chandu2chill " > > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > > > > > > > > > Some of your words u need to take back if you are really a > learned > > > > > and kind person forget about me i am a selfish person came > here > > for > > > > > Motto. First of all i do not know your motive behind replying > to > > my > > > > > Discussion thread. I call it a discussion thread B'coz i have > not > > > > > asked for any request for help/reading. If you read my > begining of > > > > > the Thread " carefully " . It was my (My Next reply to Mr. M. > Nair) > > > > > natural and eventual reply based on the facts and events on > Mr. M. > > > > > Nair's reply > > > > > > > > > > //Most of the 50000 memebrs who in astro groups is > coming > > with > > > > > these kind of attitude ,either get a prediction or peice meal > > > > > appraoch of prediction ,Some one helped them they dont care > to giv > > > > > feed back to astrologer.Once you giv prediction you can find > them > > in > > > > > other group and then in other group .They call it getting > another > > > > > expert opinion,// > > > > > > > > > > Pls don't make genaral statement as you are referring to my > thread > > > > > here. And be specific. If you read and notice, i have replyed > to > > Mr. > > > > > M. Nair with the feedback what i felt is right. > > > > > > > > > > //U said i am following u last 2 years ,do u think u worth > for it > > > .Or > > > > > every days mail s filled with your pathetic request?// > > > > > > > > > > I have not said that, you yourself mentioned in your 1st > reply Pls > > > > > refer what you wrote > > > > > > > > > > And with regard to classification of Request(s) as pathetic, > > > > > Excellant, Good, Bad it depends upon the Person's mind-set > and how > > > > > he/she thinks. This is again my personal opinion. > > > > > > > > > > //Any way i wanted to make you one thing clear that this group > > dont > > > > > promote predictions ,only very few requests r honoured here// > > > > > > > > > > Pls show me any request that i made for reading my chart in > this > > > > > group. Except One time where i put some query and got the > reply > > from > > > > > Mr. Sreenadh Ji. > > > > > > > > > > //AS finaly your karma not the noble combinations in chart > decides > > > > > the course of destiny.// > > > > > > > > > > This is again very much debatable point you raised. If i ask > you > > > > > then why all these classics, so much of combinations, yogas, > Why > > the > > > > > Chart itself? When you know as per Karma, destiny will place > you > > and > > > > > me and all this mankind why is the Astrology? > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely i believe in destiny... > > > > > > > > > > //I appreciate your style of learning ,a doctor will learn > surgery > > > > > on his body a mortician on his dead body and an enginear will > > break > > > > > his own house and make new houses.// > > > > > > > > > > Your analogy is bit ambiguous and circumspect. > > > > > > > > > > If all the professors/teachers had the mind-set of not to > > > > > nurture/guide his/her pupil thinking that if i guide/teach > them > > > > > properly they will surpass me and i become redundant, then > this > > > > > whole world would have not been there with the progress. It is > > up-to > > > > > the the Students and each individual's ability/skill with > which > > they > > > > > Excel.. and ofcourse with the Destiny... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //This is utter thank less way of responding to some body and > any > > > > > learning needs humbleness and ready to learn and the teacher > or > > who > > > > > ever teaches u he will teach u in his own way not your own > way// > > > > > > > > > > Pls note that, whoever taught, me in any forum, i have > responded > > to > > > > > them in a way what i supposed to. And thank them > > > > > > > > > > Can you be specific as to what you wrote which is something > > learning > > > > > (Astrologically) in your 1st reply for me? > > > > > > > > > > Yes teacher has his/her own way of teaching method, again it > > depends > > > > > upon the student how he/she grasps it. make use of it and > apply > > it. > > > > > Again in his/her own way.. > > > > > > > > > > //Even your query u r not mentioning its your chart ,it was > placed > > > > > in front of astrologers as if some known persons chart.And u > were > > > > > acting like some virgin in astrology// > > > > > > > > > > I honestly didn't understand what you are trying to say...!? > > > > > > > > > > As you are aware, even if you have 20 Yrs exp in Astrology > you are > > > > > still a Student and in my opinion any knowledge/skill in > general > > and > > > > > Astrology perticular, is a continuous process..Hope you agree > with > > > > > me on this... > > > > > > > > > > //wish u happy learning in your own selfish way .which u will > hav > > to > > > > > suffer more for your attitude.// > > > > > > > > > > Are you praising me or cursing? In any case, i appreciate your > > > > > valuable time... > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> --- In > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time and advising me in a way you feel > is > > > > > right. > > > > > > > At the same time i hope you ALSO appreciate the other > person's > > > > > way > > > > > > > of learning. Each individual has his/her own way of > thinking > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > > my opinion we should respect that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forget about my chart or chart reading i honestly don't > wanted > > > to > > > > > > > comment on your nice mail BUT some of your statement(s) > made me > > > to > > > > > > > write...Hope you will take it in right perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again Thank you so much for your effort in replying to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //You know since last atleast 2 years u r doing the > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is when the problems started for me... appreciate > your > > > > > > > observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //U r studying astrology on ur chart. But i must > regretfully > > say > > > > > > > that its not right approach to study astrology.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is my way of learning Astrology which i felt right. I > > don't > > > > > > > want to take somebody's chart For Eg: Dhirubai Ambani, > Sachin > > > > > > > Tendulkar, Hemamalini etc. As i do not have any interest > in > > > them. > > > > > > > May be you can call it a selfish or whatever you think is > > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //ATleast i know from how many astrologers u got > predictions > > tru > > > > > > > variousforums and prvt mails. Now u may come out with > > statement > > > > > that > > > > > > > none was correct ,it is your mistake as u must see best > > > > > professional > > > > > > > astrologer and pay for his servise ,there is no vedic > dictum > > > > > that a > > > > > > > astrologer shud suffer poverty// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly note that, i am very fortunate to get the > predictions > > > from > > > > > > > various learned people as a PAID or FREE Services and > thankful > > > to > > > > > > > them. here i am not arguing with all those people whether > > thier > > > > > > > prediction(s) are CORRECT or WRONG. all those predictions > led > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > > dig more and more on the subject and on the contrary it > has > > > > > Enhanced > > > > > > > my Astro knowledge whatevert i have today!. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here i think i no need to tell you whom all i have paid > and > > who > > > > > all > > > > > > > are given free predictions for me. I hope you have this > info > > as > > > > > well > > > > > > > as you are following me up since 2 Yrs:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //when u lie to me i also will go wrong ,suppose u post ur > > chart > > > > > > > saying this is ur frnds chart.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You MUST be noticed, I have never mentioned in any forum > > saying > > > > > > > that, it's somebody else's chart nor i have changed my > Email > > ID > > > > > or > > > > > > > Avatar/Name..etc... in i have diff id for > other > > > form > > > > > > > which is not belonging to any of Astro groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not believe in that.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, to conclude, i do not have any personal ambiguties > with > > you > > > > > nor > > > > > > > with anybody in any forum i am subscirbed for...BUT this > my > > way > > > > > of > > > > > > > learining and will continue... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your time. I am sorry for the delay in > replying > > > > > as i > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > bit busy with the work... My apologiese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also believe in telling the practical/actual facts > while > > i > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > anything with others And with Astrology having so > much of > > > > > > > > > Scholars/Classics BPHS, Jaimini, Varahamira/diff > systems > > of > > > > > > > > > calculations predictions etc...my aim is to study the > > chart > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Practical events of the native and then try to find- > out > > why > > > > > is > > > > > > > it so > > > > > > > > > and what is PROMISED when can native expect what. I am > > just > > > > > > > using it > > > > > > > > > as a GUIDE or Manual you can say and trying to learn > from > > > the > > > > > > > > > learned ppl like you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my question(s) sound like > > > foolish/silly.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mars , enemy of Saturn and Saturn not the foe of > Mars// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart (in discussion) Saturn ®is postioned > in 3rd > > > > > which > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the friendly sign of Saturn and there's an Excahnge > of 3rd > > > > > lord > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > Lord postioned in 10th along with Sun and Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i go by your above line and ask, when Satrun is > > aspecting > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Mars which is postioned in 9th then why and how there > will > > > > > be bad > > > > > > > > > effects as mentioned in your below readings? When > Saturn > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > foe of Mars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read Planets in exchange behave as if they are in > thier > > > own > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > and affects in Dasa Bukti periods what is your take on > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to tell you i am running Guru MD and Saturn AD at > > > > > present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natives sexual relations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I never ventured to analysis native's multifarious > > sexual > > > > > > > > > connections, since our discussions were solely > confined to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > placement of Mars,the Ac Lord, in 9H.What I was > trying to > > > > > convey > > > > > > > > > was , Mars has Dual ownership of Ac & 8H of sex. We > find > > > > > Rahu in > > > > > > > H8. > > > > > > > > > Again we notice, Mars, the L8 of sex afflicted by > > Sat(Rx)// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact i just wanted to know abt the results of LL > in 9th > > > > > and > > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > > luck, your reading made me to reveal the Facts abt > > native's > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > connections/relationships etc. BUT again i am not > > convinced > > > > > by > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > reading especially Sexual dysfunction of the native > due to > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > position and other things as you mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YES with regard to married life i have a troublesome > > married > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > BUT whenever my wife was with me just about 66 days > after > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > 30-35 days during her pregnancy, and 25 days after a > gap > > of > > > > > 1 and > > > > > > > > > half Yrs (Separation) during all these period we had a > > nice > > > > > > > Sexual > > > > > > > > > enjoyment ofcourse with some diff of opinion(s) btwn > but > > by > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > large we both enjoyed.. we do not have any problems > with > > > > > that, > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > just OTHER things like religious/family culture in > which > > we > > > > > BOTH > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > against each other and our mindset does not match > hence, > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > living separately... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //we find Ve (Sex) in badha Rasi identical with the > sign > > of > > > > > > > Saturn . > > > > > > > > > As we are aware Sat , is a planet of restrictions and > > badha > > > > > > > > > (obstructive) for Ari Rising and is an eunuch > planet ;as > > > such > > > > > > > > > these multiple affliction to L8 & H8 & Karaka should > have > > some > > > > > > > > > bearing in the life of the native. Native may have > several > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > contacts but can you say that all his partners derived > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > satisfaction from the native?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed it is difficult question for me to answer i > have to > > > > > ask > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other parties involved:-) BUT i do agree with you if > you > > > talk > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > the " Paid Services " then the other party may not be > > enjoying > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > union and not getting any satisfaction out of that. > But > > some > > > > > > > times i > > > > > > > > > do take their feedback about the same whenever i am in > > > mood:- > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th does it indicate any connection > (especially in > > > > > Sexual > > > > > > > > > relationships)with the Foriegn people other then his > > > native's > > > > > > > > > Nationality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Relationship with Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stand by what I said (No adamant stand but that is > what > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > to decipher from the position of planets) Ju, the L9 > of > > Dad > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > 11H of friends and obviously functions as a friend, > > > > > philosopher & > > > > > > > > > guide for the native . The very presence of the Ac > Lord in > > > > > H9 of > > > > > > > > > father , is an argument that he is " attached " to his > > father. > > > > > He > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > not show it overtly but it is there covertly. From > your > > > > > > > > > submission , " YET the native respects his Father very > much > > > and > > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care himitself " // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, what i can say (which is the FACT again) again > is > > > > > that, We > > > > > > > > > both (Father and Son) in fact all in our family live > like > > a > > > > > > > friends > > > > > > > > > But each one respects each other even we booze > > together..BUT > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > Dad's and my visions, wave-length, and thinking > patterns > > are > > > > > > > entirly > > > > > > > > > diff and problem starts there...But what you > > > > > > > mentioned " Attachment " > > > > > > > > > is not there when compare to the " Attachement " what i > have > > > > > with > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > Mother. I totally disagree what you said...Yes may be > my > > LL > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9th house of " Dharma " i still respect him as my > > father...In > > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > i have great respect for elders... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Presume the gender of this native is male and will > > > > > appreciate, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you could post the exact place of birth rather than > geo- > > > > > graphical > > > > > > > > > co-ordinates// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975. TOB: 10:47 AM. POB: Nargund. Gadag > > dist, > > > > > > > > > Karnataka, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, pls enlighten , whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //1,the native has multi-lingual skills// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not exactly, i have learnt the necessery languages > and i > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > any interest in learning other laguages Unless it is > > > required > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > the need is there then i try to aquire that skill be > it > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > tech skills etc, and the latest is this > Astrology....Purly > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > selfish nature and trying to know from astrological > angle > > as > > > > > to > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > such things happened/happening to me suddenly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2, Difficulty in getting inheritances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have any interest in anybody's Inheritances > > > > > Including my > > > > > > > > > father's/wife's etc... i do not believe in that...and > > never > > > > > > > > > expecting also.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YES i do have some of my Father's Debt as > Inheritance :-) > > > but > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > he is adamant that, he is saying he will pay all his > Debts > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > don't need to contribute at all...:-) i said OK > Friend!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3, Any break in education , in between 18 & 21 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umm not exactly i completed my Degree without failing > in > > any > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > during the course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But b4 my Degree enrollment, i took a Yrs course in > > > > > Electronics > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > sort of diploma.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this will help you to analyse my chart in greater > > > > > details > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > guide me.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do respond to me at your convenience > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri M. Nair, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting analysis But some > > > statements/readings/results > > > > > > > are not > > > > > > > > > > > correct when compare with the Life events V/s the > > Chart > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. I am studying to see is there any > > relations > > > > > btwn > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Actual life events and the Native's Chart. So all > your > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > taken with due respect and appreciate your time. > Your > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > comments are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mars is Saturn's enemy but Saturn is not the > enemy > > of > > > > > > > Mars.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just a beginer in astro study hence don't > know > > much > > > > > abt > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > i was looking at BPHS texts..AND in practical How > > > there's > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > ONE > > > > > > > > > > > person is an Enemy of other and other is not an > Enemy > > of > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > person:-) i think bit confusing but i guess you > got my > > > > > > > point:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //The native will be attached to his father// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native is not attached to his Father at all. > In > > fact > > > > > > > lots of > > > > > > > > > > > diff of opinions btwn Father and this native (Son) > > that > > > > > led > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > quarrals sometime i mean almost all times in most > of > > the > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > decsions...YET the native respects his Father very > > much > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > > > > > to do whatever it takes to care him.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native is Very much attached to his Mother and > > Native's > > > > > Wife > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > refused to respect his Mother, Native Left his > WIFE > > But > > > > > Not > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > Mother!! (Note: These are all the Practical > Events) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx > Sat , it > > > > > robs > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > action element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord > stationed > > in > > > a > > > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > > > > sign. This will make the native bit lazy and > > indolent// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right i do agree on this reading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //On a positive note, Ju that deposes for the Asc > lord > > > > > is in > > > > > > > Aq , > > > > > > > > > > > where it is powerful and some Astrologers > consider Aq > > Ju > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > equal in > > > > > > > > > > > strength to Ju in Cn , its exaltation sign// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there were lot of debate on Guru's Exaltation > sign > > > > > you > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > lot of info on this subject on > www.mysticboard.com i > > > > > shall > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > find the link and may post for you here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it is not clear How Guru behaves in Aq and > what > > are > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > one can expect when postioned alone, AND most > > > importently > > > > > > > WHEN > > > > > > > > > > > Postioned along with his Arch rival Shukra in Aq. > Any > > of > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > findings/readings are wel-come!:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord > > rules > > > > > 8H of > > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, > > > testicle > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > Also > > > > > > > > > > > do note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi > of the > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve the planet of sex in the sign of > Saturn, a > > > > > eunuch > > > > > > > > > > > planet.All this suggest sexual dysfunction.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting point, to tell you the > > > > > Pratical > > > > > > > > > analysis, > > > > > > > > > > > Native is very much active in sex and had baby > soon > > > > > after the > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage. And also note that, Pre-marriage, > native had > > a > > > > > > > Number > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Sexual relationships all were with the Mutal > Consent > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > Sex not by force!! Even the native has tremondus > Sex > > > > > drive > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > after marriage Native has sexual relationship with > > > others > > > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > > > foreigners till today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And now if you feel curious, and say i need to > study > > the > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > chart then here's the detail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 10:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > POB:Latitude: 015:43:N/Longitude:075:23:E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's discuss further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " Balagurusurya " > > > > > > > > > > > balagurusurya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question , I feel is slightly ambigous. How > can > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > enemy > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars ? Isn't it Mercury, the sole enemy of > Mars ? > > > > > > > > > (Satyacharya's > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion followed by Varaha) Mars is Saturn's > enemy > > but > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > the enemy of Mars. If you have framed the > question > > as > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > panchada > > > > > > > > > > > > Maitri or five fold relation ship , then I have > > > > > nothing to > > > > > > > say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now reverting to your query.The Asc lord Mars > having > > > > > Dual > > > > > > > > > > > ownership is > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 9H of Dharma or righteousness , > identical > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sag , the 9th Rasi of the natural zodiac , that > > again > > > > > > > stands > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspects 12th ,3rd & 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will be attached to his father . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars =Dyanamism whereas Sat=laziness , inaction > etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when Mars is in mutual opposition to Rx > Sat , it > > > > > robs > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > > > > element of Mars, the fiery Asc Lord stationed > in a > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > sign . > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > will make the native bit lazy and indolent .On a > > > > > positive > > > > > > > > > note, Ju > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > deposes for the Asc lord is in Aq , where it is > > > > > powerful > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers consider Aq Ju is equal in strength > to > > Ju > > > > > in > > > > > > > Cn , > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Asc Lord is afflicted , as in this > case, > > the > > > > > > > native is > > > > > > > > > > > burdened > > > > > > > > > > > > with lot of responsibilities and he may not be > able > > to > > > > > act > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > > , he like Some one will always boss him . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take note of the point , that Mars the Asc Lord > > rules > > > > > 8H of > > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > organ .Mars itself is the karaka of testoterone, > > > > > testicle > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > Also do > > > > > > > > > > > > note the fact, Rahu tenants Sc, the 8th Rasi of > the > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > zodiac. Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > the planet of sex in the sign of Saturn, a > eunuch > > > > > > > planet.All > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest sexual dysfunction . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will also face difficulty in getting > his > > > > > > > > > inheritances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Mn together means the birth occured near to > or > > > just > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > New > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the Sun is placed in 10 , the birth > occured at > > > > > > > > > > > afternoon .Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > though in it is inimical sign Cp, it enjoys > > > directional > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > being in 10th and that is a good point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW --Out of accademic interest, is this native > > fluent > > > > > in > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > than two > > > > > > > > > > > > language or is he well versed in Sanskrit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very interesting topic and i am waiting > for > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting on Lagna Lord in 9th House!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i have the following queries for all > learned > > > > > member > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > me an insight into.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Areis Acendant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna Lord Mars is placed in 9th House (Sagg) > in > > > > > Shukra's > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspected by Saturn from 3rd (Satrun Retro) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the general indications if you just > take > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > aspect? > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > it promises in general? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satrun the lord of 10th and 11th in 3rd and > he is > > > the > > > > > > > > > despositor > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost all plantes in this chart. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Moon+Mercury in 10th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Venus in 11th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 9th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 8th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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