Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Group, I find this in another group, Pls. check it out. regards, Lalit. ============================================================== Dear Ravindramani, ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of sanyasa and some of them fall from their position too in one time or the other in their ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house or the connection with 8th./// This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out of the 5 planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically placed...interesting to note that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha bhava) as moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide) scandal surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to Osho. It can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy during his life. At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several of his books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely inspiring. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear lalit , Osho s real birth date is it was made avilable there,even i go tru some web sources and i find this combination long back , so many planets in one house is parivrajya yoga but need not be sanyas yoga but dont forget that 8th is also house of intriues,scandals and even secret activities and offcourse tantra and secret sadhans as its one of the moksha trikonas (4,8,12) if u read him u can understand that all his replies and discourses were from a person who realy experinced the tantric levels of sadhna and very spontanous and genuine and i find many people who as gurus today were just using some of the technics taught by osho and as he teached around 220 breathing technics alone to his disciples .And other technics are many .And i find a real charismatic person who walked on earth may be after jesus christ or budha . And off course sex -tantra is not a new word ( or ugly word) those who know the tantric history of india ,a country which produced kama sutra If u happen to see his chart ( a genuine authenticated ) we can discuss when we finish the main discussion on forum as it may direct our energies to other directions . Pls bear with us and keep posted abt the discssions on going here. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalamai namah. , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> > Dear Group,> I find this in another group, Pls. check it out.> regards,> Lalit.> > ==============================================================> > Dear Ravindramani,> > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of sanyasa> and> some of them fall from their position too in one time or the other in> their> ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house> or> the connection with 8th.///> > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out of the> 5> planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically placed...interesting to> note> that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha> bhava) as> moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide)> scandal> surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to Osho.> It> can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy during his> life.> > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several of his> books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his> spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely inspiring.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Sunil Ji, Namaskaar, Discussing Osho's chart w'd be interesting, well, at this point only, i w'd like to underscore that I got the discussion on Fall from Sanyasa, A fall comes from the height. So, we w'd have to look at both height and then fall. 220 breathing techniques are far away, he hardly invented a single breathing technique, all those 220 are documented in Vigyaan Bhairava, Now the question is how many of us have seen the Vigyan Bhairava. There is no doubt that he and many like him are charishmatic, it w'd be interesting to find out what made him so much charishmatic. regards, Lalit. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > dear lalit , > > Osho s real birth date is it was made avilable there,even i go tru > some web sources and i find this combination long back , > > so many planets in one house is parivrajya yoga but need not be sanyas > yoga > > but dont forget that 8th is also house of intriues,scandals and even > secret activities and offcourse tantra and secret sadhans as its one of > the moksha trikonas (4,8,12) if u read him u can understand that all his > replies and discourses were from a person who realy experinced the > tantric levels of sadhna and very spontanous and genuine and i find many > people who as gurus today were just using some of the technics taught > by osho and as he teached around 220 breathing technics alone to his > disciples .And other technics are many .And i find a real charismatic > person who walked on earth may be after jesus christ or budha . > > And off course sex -tantra is not a new word ( or ugly word) those > who know the tantric history of india ,a country which produced kama > sutra > > If u happen to see his chart ( a genuine authenticated ) we can discuss > when we finish the main discussion on forum as it may direct our > energies to other directions . > > Pls bear with us and keep posted abt the discssions on going here. > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalamai namah. > > > , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group, > > I find this in another group, Pls. check it out. > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > ============================================================== > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of sanyasa > > and > > some of them fall from their position too in one time or the other in > > their > > ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house > > or > > the connection with 8th./// > > > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out of > the > > 5 > > planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically placed...interesting > to > > note > > that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha > > bhava) as > > moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide) > > scandal > > surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to > Osho. > > It > > can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy during his > > life. > > > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several of > his > > books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his > > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely inspiring. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Lalit ji, Osho and Jiddu were enlightened Buddha's of this centaury - and I don't think any such 'downfall from enlightenment' (!) ever happened. I'm yet to here something like 'downfall from enlightenment' (how absurd a term!) that happening to someone! And don't even think it is possible! Note: Note that Osho's horoscope is one with perfect sanyasa Yoga; and Ravi Sanker's horoscope is one with Avatara Yoga. I am not much interested in discussing any of these horoscopes - as astrology does not apply to them once 'enlightenment' happens. The same happened to 'Osho' for sure, as I could see; and therefore astrology does not apply to him thereafter. A small extract from Osho's discourses: "Hindus and Jainas share the same antiquity – S the Jainas could not say like Gandhi – who was a Jaina in mind and Hindu in body – that the war did not really take place or that Krishna did not lead it. They were contemporaries of Krishna, so they could not find any excuse. They sent Krishna straight to hell; they could not do otherwise. They wrote in their scriptures that Krishna has been put in hell fir his responsibility for the terrible violence of the Mahabharat. If one responsible for such large scale killing is not committed to hell, what will happen to those who scrupulously avoid even killing a fly as the Jainas do? So the Jainas had to put Krishna in hell. But this is how his contemporaries thought. Krishna's goodness was so outstanding and vast that even his contemporary Jainas were faced with this difficulty, so they had to invent another story about him. Krishna was a rare and unique man in his own right. It is true he was responsible for a war like the Mahabharat. It is also true that he had danced with women, had disrobed them and climbed up a tree with their cloths. Such as good man behaving in such a bad way! So after dumping him into hell they felt disturbed: If such good people as Krishna are hurled into hell then goodness itself will become suspect. So the Jainas said that Krishna would be the first Jaina tirthankara in the next Kalpa, in the next cycle of creation. They put him in hell, and at the same time gave him the position of their tirthankara in the coming Kalpa. …….. This is a compensation Krishna really had nothing to do with. Since they sent him to hell, the Jainas had to compensate. They compensated themselves psychologically" - Osho What is said about Krishna here is true for Osho as well. Osho is a rare and unique man in his own right. Sending him to hell, or imagining that `he fallen from Sanyasa Yoga' etc are all has nothing to do with Osho, but the psychological games and compensations contemporaries act out. Love,Sreenadh , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> > Dear Group,> I find this in another group, Pls. check it out.> regards,> Lalit.> > ==============================================================> > Dear Ravindramani,> > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of sanyasa> and> some of them fall from their position too in one time or the other in> their> ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house> or> the connection with 8th.///> > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out of the> 5> planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically placed...interesting to> note> that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha> bhava) as> moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide)> scandal> surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to Osho.> It> can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy during his> life.> > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several of his> books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his> spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely inspiring.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Lalit ji, Just read at least one of Osho's books before jumping into comment on his 'fall'. You will what you are approaching - if you cannot see, I have nothing to say. Love, Sreenadh , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Sunil Ji, > > Namaskaar, Discussing Osho's chart w'd be interesting, well, at this > point only, i w'd like to underscore that I got the discussion on > Fall from Sanyasa, A fall comes from the height. > > So, we w'd have to look at both height and then fall. > > 220 breathing techniques are far away, he hardly invented a single > breathing technique, all those 220 are documented in Vigyaan > Bhairava, Now the question is how many of us have seen the Vigyan > Bhairava. > > There is no doubt that he and many like him are charishmatic, it w'd > be interesting to find out what made him so much charishmatic. > > regards, > Lalit. > > , " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > dear lalit , > > > > Osho s real birth date is it was made avilable there,even i > go tru > > some web sources and i find this combination long back , > > > > so many planets in one house is parivrajya yoga but need not be > sanyas > > yoga > > > > but dont forget that 8th is also house of intriues,scandals and even > > secret activities and offcourse tantra and secret sadhans as its > one of > > the moksha trikonas (4,8,12) if u read him u can understand that > all his > > replies and discourses were from a person who realy experinced the > > tantric levels of sadhna and very spontanous and genuine and i find > many > > people who as gurus today were just using some of the technics > taught > > by osho and as he teached around 220 breathing technics alone to his > > disciples .And other technics are many .And i find a real > charismatic > > person who walked on earth may be after jesus christ or budha . > > > > And off course sex -tantra is not a new word ( or ugly word) > those > > who know the tantric history of india ,a country which produced kama > > sutra > > > > If u happen to see his chart ( a genuine authenticated ) we can > discuss > > when we finish the main discussion on forum as it may direct our > > energies to other directions . > > > > Pls bear with us and keep posted abt the discssions on going here. > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalamai namah. > > > > > > , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > I find this in another group, Pls. check it out. > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of > sanyasa > > > and > > > some of them fall from their position too in one time or the > other in > > > their > > > ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th > house > > > or > > > the connection with 8th./// > > > > > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out > of > > the > > > 5 > > > planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically > placed...interesting > > to > > > note > > > that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha > > > bhava) as > > > moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide) > > > scandal > > > surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to > > Osho. > > > It > > > can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy > during his > > > life. > > > > > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several > of > > his > > > books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his > > > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely > inspiring. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, Pls. dont guess anything, u dont know what i studied or what i have seen or what i know or what i m told. If i say something about an icon, u should understand I know about him and his confusions, His work is his effort to understand divinity and obiviously expression during his learning but that is not more than a trash. However, I was curious to know what astrology has to say on this, comments on kids playing somewhere is only a disturbance to their play, In Next Birth he will continue his learnig process. Let's wish him a cool life. regards, Lalit. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Lalit ji, > Just read at least one of Osho's books before jumping into comment > on his 'fall'. You will what you are approaching - if you cannot > see, I have nothing to say. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > Namaskaar, Discussing Osho's chart w'd be interesting, well, at > this > > point only, i w'd like to underscore that I got the discussion on > > Fall from Sanyasa, A fall comes from the height. > > > > So, we w'd have to look at both height and then fall. > > > > 220 breathing techniques are far away, he hardly invented a single > > breathing technique, all those 220 are documented in Vigyaan > > Bhairava, Now the question is how many of us have seen the Vigyan > > Bhairava. > > > > There is no doubt that he and many like him are charishmatic, it > w'd > > be interesting to find out what made him so much charishmatic. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > , " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > Osho s real birth date is it was made avilable there,even i > > go tru > > > some web sources and i find this combination long back , > > > > > > so many planets in one house is parivrajya yoga but need not be > > sanyas > > > yoga > > > > > > but dont forget that 8th is also house of intriues,scandals and > even > > > secret activities and offcourse tantra and secret sadhans as its > > one of > > > the moksha trikonas (4,8,12) if u read him u can understand that > > all his > > > replies and discourses were from a person who realy experinced the > > > tantric levels of sadhna and very spontanous and genuine and i > find > > many > > > people who as gurus today were just using some of the technics > > taught > > > by osho and as he teached around 220 breathing technics alone to > his > > > disciples .And other technics are many .And i find a real > > charismatic > > > person who walked on earth may be after jesus christ or budha . > > > > > > And off course sex -tantra is not a new word ( or ugly word) > > those > > > who know the tantric history of india ,a country which produced > kama > > > sutra > > > > > > If u happen to see his chart ( a genuine authenticated ) we can > > discuss > > > when we finish the main discussion on forum as it may direct our > > > energies to other directions . > > > > > > Pls bear with us and keep posted abt the discssions on going here. > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalamai namah. > > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > I find this in another group, Pls. check it out. > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of > > sanyasa > > > > and > > > > some of them fall from their position too in one time or the > > other in > > > > their > > > > ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in > 8th > > house > > > > or > > > > the connection with 8th./// > > > > > > > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. > Out > > of > > > the > > > > 5 > > > > planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically > > placed...interesting > > > to > > > > note > > > > that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th > (moksha > > > > bhava) as > > > > moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful > (worldwide) > > > > scandal > > > > surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name > to > > > Osho. > > > > It > > > > can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy > > during his > > > > life. > > > > > > > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read > several > > of > > > his > > > > books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of > his > > > > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely > > inspiring. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Srinadh, I have already replied, well, let me clarify - Popularity, Charishma and Bookish Knowledge and a beautiful presentation adding ur's own imagination is what Rajnisha and people like him do. As a critic he is excellant, pls. dont get confused with his superb talent as a critic. getting enlightened is altogather different from being a excellant critic. regards, Lalit. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > Osho and Jiddu were enlightened Buddha's of this centaury - and I > don't think any such 'downfall from enlightenment' (!) ever happened. > I'm yet to here something like 'downfall from enlightenment' (how absurd > a term!) that happening to someone! And don't even think it is possible! > > > > Note: Note that Osho's horoscope is one with perfect sanyasa Yoga; and > Ravi Sanker's horoscope is one with Avatara Yoga. I am not much > interested in discussing any of these horoscopes - as astrology does not > apply to them once 'enlightenment' happens. The same happened to 'Osho' > for sure, as I could see; and therefore astrology does not apply to him > thereafter. > > A small extract from Osho's discourses: > " Hindus and Jainas share the same antiquity – S the Jainas could > not say like Gandhi – who was a Jaina in mind and Hindu in body > – that the war did not really take place or that Krishna did not > lead it. They were contemporaries of Krishna, so they could not find any > excuse. They sent Krishna straight to hell; they could not do otherwise. > They wrote in their scriptures that Krishna has been put in hell fir his > responsibility for the terrible violence of the Mahabharat. If one > responsible for such large scale killing is not committed to hell, what > will happen to those who scrupulously avoid even killing a fly as the > Jainas do? So the Jainas had to put Krishna in hell. But > this is how his contemporaries thought. Krishna's goodness was so > outstanding and vast that even his contemporary Jainas were faced with > this difficulty, so they had to invent another story about him. Krishna > was a rare and unique man in his own right. It is true he was > responsible for a war like the Mahabharat. It is also true that he had > danced with women, had disrobed them and climbed up a tree with their > cloths. Such as good man behaving in such a bad way! So after dumping > him into hell they felt disturbed: If such good people as Krishna are > hurled into hell then goodness itself will become suspect. So the Jainas > said that Krishna would be the first Jaina tirthankara in the next > Kalpa, in the next cycle of creation. They put him in hell, and at the > same time gave him the position of their tirthankara in the coming > Kalpa. …….. This is a compensation Krishna really had nothing to > do with. Since they sent him to hell, the Jainas had to compensate. They > compensated themselves psychologically " > - Osho > > What is said about Krishna here is true for Osho as well. Osho is a rare > and unique man in his own right. Sending him to hell, or imagining that > `he fallen from Sanyasa Yoga' etc are all has nothing to do with > Osho, but the psychological games and compensations contemporaries act > out. > > Love, > Sreenadh > , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group, > > I find this in another group, Pls. check it out. > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > ============================================================== > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of sanyasa > > and > > some of them fall from their position too in one time or the other in > > their > > ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house > > or > > the connection with 8th./// > > > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out of > the > > 5 > > planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically placed...interesting > to > > note > > that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha > > bhava) as > > moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide) > > scandal > > surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to > Osho. > > It > > can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy during his > > life. > > > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several of > his > > books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his > > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely inspiring. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Lalit ji, In such matters - your views are good for you and my views for me. Let us drop this subject, and continue with our discussion on " Lagna lord in various houses " . Let us continue the learning process at least in this birth. Love, Sreenadh , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Srinadh, > > I have already replied, well, let me clarify - > > Popularity, Charishma and Bookish Knowledge and a beautiful > presentation adding ur's own imagination is what Rajnisha and people > like him do. > > As a critic he is excellant, pls. dont get confused with his superb > talent as a critic. > > getting enlightened is altogather different from being a excellant > critic. > > regards, > Lalit. > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > > Osho and Jiddu were enlightened Buddha's of this centaury - and I > > don't think any such 'downfall from enlightenment' (!) ever > happened. > > I'm yet to here something like 'downfall from enlightenment' (how > absurd > > a term!) that happening to someone! And don't even think it is > possible! > > > > > > > > Note: Note that Osho's horoscope is one with perfect sanyasa Yoga; > and > > Ravi Sanker's horoscope is one with Avatara Yoga. I am not much > > interested in discussing any of these horoscopes - as astrology > does not > > apply to them once 'enlightenment' happens. The same happened > to 'Osho' > > for sure, as I could see; and therefore astrology does not apply to > him > > thereafter. > > > > A small extract from Osho's discourses: > > " Hindus and Jainas share the same antiquity – S the Jainas could > > not say like Gandhi – who was a Jaina in mind and Hindu in body > > – that the war did not really take place or that Krishna did not > > lead it. They were contemporaries of Krishna, so they could not > find any > > excuse. They sent Krishna straight to hell; they could not do > otherwise. > > They wrote in their scriptures that Krishna has been put in hell > fir his > > responsibility for the terrible violence of the Mahabharat. If one > > responsible for such large scale killing is not committed to hell, > what > > will happen to those who scrupulously avoid even killing a fly as > the > > Jainas do? So the Jainas had to put Krishna in hell. But > > this is how his contemporaries thought. Krishna's goodness was so > > outstanding and vast that even his contemporary Jainas were faced > with > > this difficulty, so they had to invent another story about him. > Krishna > > was a rare and unique man in his own right. It is true he was > > responsible for a war like the Mahabharat. It is also true that he > had > > danced with women, had disrobed them and climbed up a tree with > their > > cloths. Such as good man behaving in such a bad way! So after > dumping > > him into hell they felt disturbed: If such good people as Krishna > are > > hurled into hell then goodness itself will become suspect. So the > Jainas > > said that Krishna would be the first Jaina tirthankara in the next > > Kalpa, in the next cycle of creation. They put him in hell, and at > the > > same time gave him the position of their tirthankara in the coming > > Kalpa. …….. This is a compensation Krishna really had nothing to > > do with. Since they sent him to hell, the Jainas had to compensate. > They > > compensated themselves psychologically " > > - Osho > > > > What is said about Krishna here is true for Osho as well. Osho is a > rare > > and unique man in his own right. Sending him to hell, or imagining > that > > `he fallen from Sanyasa Yoga' etc are all has nothing to do with > > Osho, but the psychological games and compensations contemporaries > act > > out. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > I find this in another group, Pls. check it out. > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of > sanyasa > > > and > > > some of them fall from their position too in one time or the > other in > > > their > > > ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th > house > > > or > > > the connection with 8th./// > > > > > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out > of > > the > > > 5 > > > planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically > placed...interesting > > to > > > note > > > that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha > > > bhava) as > > > moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide) > > > scandal > > > surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to > > Osho. > > > It > > > can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy > during his > > > life. > > > > > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several > of > > his > > > books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his > > > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely > inspiring. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear Lalit . I never said osho invented 220 breathing techniqs ,what i said is some the famous guru s of now a days is just with one or 2 are trumpeting that they invented and getting good mileage. Also the trouble some lastpart life of osho may not or cannot be interpreted as a fall from height . Because osho never lost his popularity or charishma or he has no lose which is viscible like fall of chandra swami who also another jain but we hav see he realy fall. Now we can limit this discussion here itself other wise more examples and questions may pour out and our main discussion may diverted regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> Sunil Ji,> > Namaskaar, Discussing Osho's chart w'd be interesting, well, at this > point only, i w'd like to underscore that I got the discussion on > Fall from Sanyasa, A fall comes from the height.> > So, we w'd have to look at both height and then fall.> > 220 breathing techniques are far away, he hardly invented a single > breathing technique, all those 220 are documented in Vigyaan > Bhairava, Now the question is how many of us have seen the Vigyan > Bhairava.> > There is no doubt that he and many like him are charishmatic, it w'd > be interesting to find out what made him so much charishmatic.> > regards,> Lalit.> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear lalit ,> > > > Osho s real birth date is it was made avilable there,even i > go tru> > some web sources and i find this combination long back ,> > > > so many planets in one house is parivrajya yoga but need not be > sanyas> > yoga> > > > but dont forget that 8th is also house of intriues,scandals and even> > secret activities and offcourse tantra and secret sadhans as its > one of> > the moksha trikonas (4,8,12) if u read him u can understand that > all his> > replies and discourses were from a person who realy experinced the> > tantric levels of sadhna and very spontanous and genuine and i find > many> > people who as gurus today were just using some of the technics > taught> > by osho and as he teached around 220 breathing technics alone to his> > disciples .And other technics are many .And i find a real > charismatic> > person who walked on earth may be after jesus christ or budha .> > > > And off course sex -tantra is not a new word ( or ugly word) > those> > who know the tantric history of india ,a country which produced kama> > sutra> > > > If u happen to see his chart ( a genuine authenticated ) we can > discuss> > when we finish the main discussion on forum as it may direct our> > energies to other directions .> > > > Pls bear with us and keep posted abt the discssions on going here.> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalamai namah.> > > > > > , "litsol"> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Group,> > > I find this in another group, Pls. check it out.> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > ==============================================================> > >> > > Dear Ravindramani,> > >> > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of > sanyasa> > > and> > > some of them fall from their position too in one time or the > other in> > > their> > > ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th > house> > > or> > > the connection with 8th.///> > >> > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out > of> > the> > > 5> > > planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically > placed...interesting> > to> > > note> > > that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha> > > bhava) as> > > moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide)> > > scandal> > > surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to> > Osho.> > > It> > > can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy > during his> > > life.> > >> > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several > of> > his> > > books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his> > > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely > inspiring.> > >> > > Best Wishes,> > > Mrs. Wendy> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Sunil Ji, Namaskaar, Fall from sanyasa means fall from sadhana, fall from divinity , fall from the path to God one was walking on, not decrease of popularity nor going to jail. They in other group, discussed this fall indicated in his chart, and u can also see it as u too have his chart with u. This astrological discussion looked interesting to me. But as when we walk, we fall and then again walk, so, i dont mind one's falling, God w'd give him next birh with opportunity to walk again. regards, Lalit. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > dear Lalit . > > I never said osho invented 220 breathing techniqs ,what i said > is some the famous guru s of now a days is just with one or 2 are > trumpeting that they invented and getting good mileage. > > Also the trouble some lastpart life of osho may not or cannot be > interpreted as a fall from height . > > Because osho never lost his popularity or charishma or he has no lose > which is viscible like fall of chandra swami who also another jain but > we hav see he realy fall. > > Now we can limit this discussion here itself other wise more examples > and questions may pour out and our main discussion may diverted > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > Namaskaar, Discussing Osho's chart w'd be interesting, well, at this > > point only, i w'd like to underscore that I got the discussion on > > Fall from Sanyasa, A fall comes from the height. > > > > So, we w'd have to look at both height and then fall. > > > > 220 breathing techniques are far away, he hardly invented a single > > breathing technique, all those 220 are documented in Vigyaan > > Bhairava, Now the question is how many of us have seen the Vigyan > > Bhairava. > > > > There is no doubt that he and many like him are charishmatic, it w'd > > be interesting to find out what made him so much charishmatic. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > Osho s real birth date is it was made avilable there,even i > > go tru > > > some web sources and i find this combination long back , > > > > > > so many planets in one house is parivrajya yoga but need not be > > sanyas > > > yoga > > > > > > but dont forget that 8th is also house of intriues,scandals and even > > > secret activities and offcourse tantra and secret sadhans as its > > one of > > > the moksha trikonas (4,8,12) if u read him u can understand that > > all his > > > replies and discourses were from a person who realy experinced the > > > tantric levels of sadhna and very spontanous and genuine and i find > > many > > > people who as gurus today were just using some of the technics > > taught > > > by osho and as he teached around 220 breathing technics alone to his > > > disciples .And other technics are many .And i find a real > > charismatic > > > person who walked on earth may be after jesus christ or budha . > > > > > > And off course sex -tantra is not a new word ( or ugly word) > > those > > > who know the tantric history of india ,a country which produced kama > > > sutra > > > > > > If u happen to see his chart ( a genuine authenticated ) we can > > discuss > > > when we finish the main discussion on forum as it may direct our > > > energies to other directions . > > > > > > Pls bear with us and keep posted abt the discssions on going here. > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalamai namah. > > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > I find this in another group, Pls. check it out. > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of > > sanyasa > > > > and > > > > some of them fall from their position too in one time or the > > other in > > > > their > > > > ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th > > house > > > > or > > > > the connection with 8th./// > > > > > > > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. Out > > of > > > the > > > > 5 > > > > planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically > > placed...interesting > > > to > > > > note > > > > that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th (moksha > > > > bhava) as > > > > moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful (worldwide) > > > > scandal > > > > surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his name to > > > Osho. > > > > It > > > > can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy > > during his > > > > life. > > > > > > > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read several > > of > > > his > > > > books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth of his > > > > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely > > inspiring. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear lalit , yes we will be discussing that in our weekly meeting which is going to happen and in few weeks and we will hav a good number of persons .Now we just started the basics here in group and u know almost all memebers know it so even showing some kind of disinterest also ,but there is a silent majority who writes to me abt this basics which includes non indians also. so bear with us and be tuned with discussions and ur contributions will be always welcome as u know . regrds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> Sunil Ji,> > Namaskaar, Fall from sanyasa means fall from sadhana, fall from > divinity , fall from the path to God one was walking on, not decrease > of popularity nor going to jail.> > They in other group, discussed this fall indicated in his chart, and > u can also see it as u too have his chart with u. This astrological > discussion looked interesting to me.> > But as when we walk, we fall and then again walk, so, i dont mind > one's falling, God w'd give him next birh with opportunity to walk > again. > > regards,> Lalit.> > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear Lalit .> > > > I never said osho invented 220 breathing techniqs ,what i > said> > is some the famous guru s of now a days is just with one or 2 are> > trumpeting that they invented and getting good mileage.> > > > Also the trouble some lastpart life of osho may not or cannot > be> > interpreted as a fall from height .> > > > Because osho never lost his popularity or charishma or he has no > lose> > which is viscible like fall of chandra swami who also another jain > but> > we hav see he realy fall.> > > > Now we can limit this discussion here itself other wise more > examples> > and questions may pour out and our main discussion may diverted> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > >> > > Sunil Ji,> > >> > > Namaskaar, Discussing Osho's chart w'd be interesting, well, at > this> > > point only, i w'd like to underscore that I got the discussion on> > > Fall from Sanyasa, A fall comes from the height.> > >> > > So, we w'd have to look at both height and then fall.> > >> > > 220 breathing techniques are far away, he hardly invented a single> > > breathing technique, all those 220 are documented in Vigyaan> > > Bhairava, Now the question is how many of us have seen the Vigyan> > > Bhairava.> > >> > > There is no doubt that he and many like him are charishmatic, it > w'd> > > be interesting to find out what made him so much charishmatic.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > >> > > > dear lalit ,> > > >> > > > Osho s real birth date is it was made avilable there,even i> > > go tru> > > > some web sources and i find this combination long back ,> > > >> > > > so many planets in one house is parivrajya yoga but need not be> > > sanyas> > > > yoga> > > >> > > > but dont forget that 8th is also house of intriues,scandals and > even> > > > secret activities and offcourse tantra and secret sadhans as its> > > one of> > > > the moksha trikonas (4,8,12) if u read him u can understand that> > > all his> > > > replies and discourses were from a person who realy experinced > the> > > > tantric levels of sadhna and very spontanous and genuine and i > find> > > many> > > > people who as gurus today were just using some of the technics> > > taught> > > > by osho and as he teached around 220 breathing technics alone > to his> > > > disciples .And other technics are many .And i find a real> > > charismatic> > > > person who walked on earth may be after jesus christ or budha .> > > >> > > > And off course sex -tantra is not a new word ( or ugly word)> > > those> > > > who know the tantric history of india ,a country which produced > kama> > > > sutra> > > >> > > > If u happen to see his chart ( a genuine authenticated ) we can> > > discuss> > > > when we finish the main discussion on forum as it may direct our> > > > energies to other directions .> > > >> > > > Pls bear with us and keep posted abt the discssions on going > here.> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalamai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > > , "litsol"> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > I find this in another group, Pls. check it out.> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > ==============================================================> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ravindramani,> > > > >> > > > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of> > > sanyasa> > > > > and> > > > > some of them fall from their position too in one time or the> > > other in> > > > > their> > > > > ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in > 8th> > > house> > > > > or> > > > > the connection with 8th.///> > > > >> > > > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. > Out> > > of> > > > the> > > > > 5> > > > > planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically> > > placed...interesting> > > > to> > > > > note> > > > > that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha lord Sun, has 12th > (moksha> > > > > bhava) as> > > > > moolatrikona. I'm sure most are aware of the dreadful > (worldwide)> > > > > scandal> > > > > surrounding Rajneesh that, in fact, led him to change his > name to> > > > Osho.> > > > > It> > > > > can certainly be said that he attained both fame and infamy> > > during his> > > > > life.> > > > >> > > > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read > several> > > of> > > > his> > > > > books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The depth > of his> > > > > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely> > > inspiring.> > > > >> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Mrs. Wendy> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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