Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the point of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts.This beginning point is known in technical parlance as the cusp.Here since the cusp of the first house is at 28 degrees kumbha,the lagna lord will be Shani.It is another matter that the sign pisces starts immediately thereafter and thus there may be considerable element of Guru too in ur son's personality(as lagna lord determines the personality).However technically the lagna lord will be known as shani only. RK , R Venkat <rdjvenkat wrote: > > Dear All > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son got his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ degrees. now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, Saturn, Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus. > > please throw some light on this. > > thank you. > venkat > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Agreed - thanks. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Rup Baqaya > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call it > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be given > to such chance happenings. > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > opener! Good points. > > ==> > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative. > > <== > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > logical > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > hora > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > uploaded. > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather than > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > lord > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > should > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > this > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > extend. > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was - > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > said " since > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the native > will > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that WRONG > CONCLUSION > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > because > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is why I > > attracted your attention to it. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Rup Krishen > Baqaya " > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > astrology > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > that > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I also > do > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord aspecting > the > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with cousin > the > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > course > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > can't > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or aspect of > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > assertaining > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > ==> > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > uncles > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn > (3rd > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > > lord > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > maternal > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > lord > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > <== > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry from > > from > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this point. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and wife > > all > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > also > > > > having > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of his > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > surrounding > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures and > is > > > > true. > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > the > > 3rd > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > Lagna > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > too.When > > my > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > daughter > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn > (3rd > > > > lord > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th lord > > Venus > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > maternal > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > lord > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in various > houses " > > is > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > /La > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in 3rd > > house " . I > > > > > will > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as well, > as > > time > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Venkat, Lagna is always a moment - a longitude; It CANNOT span longitudes. The sign in which the lagna longitude falls is also called Lagna Sign (Lagna Rasi) or Lagna House (Lagna Bhava). Therefore if your son's lagna longitude is in Aquarius - the lord of Aquarius is his lagna lord; i.e. Saturn. Your absurd doubt indicates that you are a follower of some absurd methodologies - searching in darkness. Throughout all those stupidities you have memorized till now - and start learning astrology anew; you will learn what it is used for. Also learn to be sincere - instead of starting with lies such as " I am a novice in astrology " . You are not even a novice - you haven't even started, even after memorizing all those stupidities you read till now! So just start anew..... Love, Sreenadh , R Venkat <rdjvenkat wrote: > > Dear All > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son got his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ degrees. now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, Saturn, Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus. > > please throw some light on this. > > thank you. > venkat > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Agreed - thanks. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Rup Baqaya > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call it > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be given > to such chance happenings. > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > opener! Good points. > > ==> > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative. > > <== > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > logical > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > hora > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > uploaded. > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather than > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > lord > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > should > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > this > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > extend. > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was - > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > said " since > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the native > will > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that WRONG > CONCLUSION > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > because > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is why I > > attracted your attention to it. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Rup Krishen > Baqaya " > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > astrology > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > that > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I also > do > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord aspecting > the > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with cousin > the > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > course > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > can't > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or aspect of > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > assertaining > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > ==> > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > uncles > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn > (3rd > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > > lord > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > maternal > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > lord > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > <== > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry from > > from > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this point. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and wife > > all > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > also > > > > having > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of his > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > surrounding > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures and > is > > > > true. > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > the > > 3rd > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > Lagna > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > too.When > > my > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > daughter > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn > (3rd > > > > lord > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th lord > > Venus > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > maternal > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > lord > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in various > houses " > > is > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > /La > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in 3rd > > house " . I > > > > > will > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as well, > as > > time > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Baqaya ji, ==> > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the point > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts. <== I would like to differ - all the available proofs prior to Sripati of 10th centaury clearly shows that the sages considered 'Signs itself as Houses'. A detailed article about the same you will find inside the folder " Sreenadh " in the files section. Of course I agree that there are some medieval & modern astrologers who consider houses in this manner - but as far as I know, definitely there is no proof available to show that ancient Indian astrologers followed any such system (i.e. considering lagna -longitude- a the point at which the house starts) as mentioned by you. Note: We shouldn't stretch this further, because the same is discussed many times in the group earlier, and already consumed much time. Another thing is that, starting a new controversy will deviate us from the current thread of " Lagna lord in various houses " . But still, this mail of yours informs me that our concept of house differs. Love, Sreenadh , " Rup Krishen Baqaya " <baqayarup wrote: > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the point > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts.This > beginning point is known in technical parlance as the cusp.Here since > the cusp of the first house is at 28 degrees kumbha,the lagna lord > will be Shani.It is another matter that the sign pisces starts > immediately thereafter and thus there may be considerable element of > Guru too in ur son's personality(as lagna lord determines the > personality).However technically the lagna lord will be known as shani > only. RK , R Venkat > <rdjvenkat@> wrote: > > > > Dear All > > > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son got > his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ degrees. > now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, Saturn, > Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus. > > > > please throw some light on this. > > > > thank you. > > venkat > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Agreed - thanks. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call it > > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be given > > to such chance happenings. > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > > opener! Good points. > > > ==> > > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative. > > > <== > > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > > logical > > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > > hora > > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > > uploaded. > > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather than > > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > > lord > > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > > should > > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > > this > > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > > extend. > > > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was - > > > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > > said " since > > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the native > > will > > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that WRONG > > CONCLUSION > > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > > because > > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is why I > > > attracted your attention to it. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " Rup Krishen > > Baqaya " > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in > > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > > astrology > > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > > that > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I also > > do > > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord aspecting > > the > > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with cousin > > the > > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > > course > > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > > can't > > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or aspect of > > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > > assertaining > > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > > ==> > > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > > uncles > > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn > > (3rd > > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > > > lord > > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > maternal > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > > lord > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > <== > > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry from > > > from > > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this point. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > --- In > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and wife > > > all > > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > > also > > > > > having > > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of his > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > > surrounding > > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures and > > is > > > > > true. > > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > > the > > > 3rd > > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > > Lagna > > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > > too.When > > > my > > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > > daughter > > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn > > (3rd > > > > > lord > > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th lord > > > Venus > > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > maternal > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > > lord > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in various > > houses " > > > is > > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > /La > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in 3rd > > > house " . I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as well, > > as > > > time > > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Srinadh, with no interest in stretching an already stretched discussed, I w'd like to know from you, what you have observed in this matter, In india there has been a habbit of saying " Old is Gold " which is not an universal truth. Let's examine some charts with both the views to infer which one is correct and burry the cotroversy forever. regards, Lalit. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Baqaya ji, > ==> > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the point > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts. > <== > I would like to differ - all the available proofs prior to Sripati > of 10th centaury clearly shows that the sages considered 'Signs > itself as Houses'. A detailed article about the same you will find > inside the folder " Sreenadh " in the files section. > Of course I agree that there are some medieval & modern astrologers > who consider houses in this manner - but as far as I know, definitely > there is no proof available to show that ancient Indian astrologers > followed any such system (i.e. considering lagna -longitude- a the > point at which the house starts) as mentioned by you. > Note: We shouldn't stretch this further, because the same is > discussed many times in the group earlier, and already consumed much > time. Another thing is that, starting a new controversy will deviate > us from the current thread of " Lagna lord in various houses " . But > still, this mail of yours informs me that our concept of house > differs. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Rup Krishen Baqaya " > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the point > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts.This > > beginning point is known in technical parlance as the cusp.Here > since > > the cusp of the first house is at 28 degrees kumbha,the lagna lord > > will be Shani.It is another matter that the sign pisces starts > > immediately thereafter and thus there may be considerable element of > > Guru too in ur son's personality(as lagna lord determines the > > personality).However technically the lagna lord will be known as > shani > > only. RK , R > Venkat > > <rdjvenkat@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son got > > his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ > degrees. > > now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, > Saturn, > > Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus. > > > > > > please throw some light on this. > > > > > > thank you. > > > venkat > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Agreed - thanks. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call > it > > > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be > given > > > to such chance happenings. > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > > > opener! Good points. > > > > ==> > > > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative. > > > > <== > > > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > > > logical > > > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > > > hora > > > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > > > uploaded. > > > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather > than > > > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > > > lord > > > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > > > should > > > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > > > this > > > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > > > extend. > > > > > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was - > > > > > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > > > said " since > > > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the > native > > > will > > > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that WRONG > > > CONCLUSION > > > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > > > because > > > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is > why I > > > > attracted your attention to it. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " Rup Krishen > > > Baqaya " > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in > > > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > > > astrology > > > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > > > that > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I > also > > > do > > > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord > aspecting > > > the > > > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with > cousin > > > the > > > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > > > course > > > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > > > can't > > > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or > aspect of > > > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > > > assertaining > > > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > > > uncles > > > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think > so). > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord > saturn > > > (3rd > > > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and > 5th > > > > lord > > > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > > maternal > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has > lagna > > > > lord > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > <== > > > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry > from > > > > from > > > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and > wife > > > > all > > > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > > > also > > > > > > having > > > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of > his > > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > > > surrounding > > > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures > and > > > is > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > > > the > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > > > Lagna > > > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > > > too.When > > > > my > > > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > > > daughter > > > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord > saturn > > > (3rd > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > lord > > > > Venus > > > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > > maternal > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has > lagna > > > > lord > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in various > > > houses " > > > > is > > > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > /La > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in 3rd > > > > house " . I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as > well, > > > as > > > > time > > > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > Travel. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Lalit ji, You will find the subject discussed in the file: Sreenadh/ Signs and Houses.pdf That is the file named " Signs and Houses.pdf " in the files section, inside the folder " Sreenadh " . ==> > In india there has been a habbit of saying " Old is Gold " which is > not an universal truth. <== Yah, I agree. Even Kalidasa has told " Puranamityeva na sadhu sarvam " (Oldness does not the ensure the quality/truth of things). But not that as the name of this group " " sujests here we are trying to search for the gold IN old, waving away the trash and irrelevant. ==> > Let's examine some charts with both the views to infer which one is > correct and burry the controversy forever. <== I am not at all interested in such exercises - because that is not the purpose of this group. This group is NOT TO check whether old or new is true or better applicable; but rather to " systematically study and re-construct the old in its original form " . Hope you see the lack of co-relation between your argument and the purpose of this group. In the context of the purpose and aim of this group - your suggestion (which even you won't able enough to handle - and no one with a clear understanding of astrology and its methods will propose) become irrelevant. Dear Lalit ji, the above statement clearly shows that you are a novice in astrology. Baqaya ji, is well learned and I hope he will never raise such arguments - because possibly he could see the core of things. * The point is - * It is not that : considering house from lagna longitude onwards is right or something else is wrong. * It is: The ancient indian astrology considered SIGNS ITSELF AS HOUSES. The question is - * Are we trying to learn the system as visualized by the sages? OR * Are we trying to try and test a thousand systems originated later and endlessly playing with them and trying to plug them (welding?!) with the old system? The futility of the second approach is proved through ages - and here we are going back to the basics; and is trying to visualize the system of astrology as visualized by the sages. That is why all these importance on sage quotes on all these discussions you see in this group. Hope you see the point. Love, Sreenadh , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Srinadh, > > with no interest in stretching an already stretched discussed, I w'd > like to know from you, what you have observed in this matter, In > india there has been a habbit of saying " Old is Gold " which is not an > universal truth. > > Let's examine some charts with both the views to infer which one is > correct and burry the cotroversy forever. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Baqaya ji, > > ==> > > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the point > > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts. > > <== > > I would like to differ - all the available proofs prior to Sripati > > of 10th centaury clearly shows that the sages considered 'Signs > > itself as Houses'. A detailed article about the same you will find > > inside the folder " Sreenadh " in the files section. > > Of course I agree that there are some medieval & modern > astrologers > > who consider houses in this manner - but as far as I know, > definitely > > there is no proof available to show that ancient Indian astrologers > > followed any such system (i.e. considering lagna -longitude- a the > > point at which the house starts) as mentioned by you. > > Note: We shouldn't stretch this further, because the same is > > discussed many times in the group earlier, and already consumed > much > > time. Another thing is that, starting a new controversy will > deviate > > us from the current thread of " Lagna lord in various houses " . But > > still, this mail of yours informs me that our concept of house > > differs. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Rup Krishen > Baqaya " > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the > point > > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts.This > > > beginning point is known in technical parlance as the cusp.Here > > since > > > the cusp of the first house is at 28 degrees kumbha,the lagna lord > > > will be Shani.It is another matter that the sign pisces starts > > > immediately thereafter and thus there may be considerable element > of > > > Guru too in ur son's personality(as lagna lord determines the > > > personality).However technically the lagna lord will be known as > > shani > > > only. RK , R > > Venkat > > > <rdjvenkat@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son > got > > > his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ > > degrees. > > > now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, > > Saturn, > > > Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus. > > > > > > > > please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > thank you. > > > > venkat > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Agreed - thanks. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some > call > > it > > > > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be > > given > > > > to such chance happenings. > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > > > > opener! Good points. > > > > > ==> > > > > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative. > > > > > <== > > > > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > > > > logical > > > > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, > Meenaraja > > > > hora > > > > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > > > > uploaded. > > > > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive > results > > > > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather > > than > > > > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the > lagna > > > > lord > > > > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > > > > should > > > > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based > on > > > > this > > > > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > > > > extend. > > > > > > > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was - > > > > > > > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > > > > said " since > > > > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the > > native > > > > will > > > > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that WRONG > > > > CONCLUSION > > > > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > > > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > > > > because > > > > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is > > why I > > > > > attracted your attention to it. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , " Rup Krishen > > > > Baqaya " > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord > in > > > > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic > mentioning > > > > that > > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I > > also > > > > do > > > > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord > > aspecting > > > > the > > > > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with > > cousin > > > > the > > > > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There > of > > > > course > > > > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion > We > > > > can't > > > > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or > > aspect of > > > > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > > > > assertaining > > > > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his > maternal > > > > uncles > > > > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think > > so). > > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord > > saturn > > > > (3rd > > > > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th > and > > 5th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > > > maternal > > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has > > lagna > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am > wonder > > > > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry > > from > > > > > from > > > > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this > > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and > > wife > > > > > all > > > > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He > is > > > > also > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of > > his > > > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > > > > surrounding > > > > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in > scriptures > > and > > > > is > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength > of > > > > the > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength > of > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > > > > too.When > > > > > my > > > > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord > > saturn > > > > (3rd > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > > lord > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > > > maternal > > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has > > lagna > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in various > > > > houses " > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > /La > > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in 3rd > > > > > house " . I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as > > well, > > > > as > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Sreenadh A harsh way of replying to someone who asked you sincerely doestnt behove well of 'such' a learned astrologers. I am not follower of any sect of -logy. You are imagining and answering with unwarranted comments. My intention was to know the status of Lords Meena Rasi/Kanni Rasi with regard to the lagna bhava. Thanks for your 'free insults' but a request: please dont treat everyone like this. Venkat p.s: whether you are learned or not, humbleness & politeness is basic requirement of a normal person.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Venkat,Lagna is always a moment - a longitude; It CANNOT span longitudes. The sign in which the lagna longitude falls is also called Lagna Sign (Lagna Rasi) or Lagna House (Lagna Bhava). Therefore if your son's lagna longitude is in Aquarius - the lord of Aquarius is his lagna lord; i.e. Saturn.Your absurd doubt indicates that you are a follower of some absurd methodologies - searching in darkness. Throughout all those stupidities you have memorized till now - and start learning astrology anew; you will learn what it is used for. Also learn to be sincere - instead of starting with lies such as "I am a novice in astrology". You are not even a novice - you haven't even started, even after memorizing all those stupidities you read till now! So just start anew..... Love,Sreenadh , R Venkat <rdjvenkat wrote:>> Dear All> > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son got his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ degrees. now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, Saturn, Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus.> > please throw some light on this.> > thank you.> venkat> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Agreed - thanks. > Love,> Sreenadh> > , Rup Baqaya > <baqayarup@> wrote:> >> > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call it > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be given > to such chance happenings.> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > opener! Good points. > > ==>> > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that> > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.> > <==> > It should be read "marriage WITH a relative". Of course - > logical > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > hora > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > uploaded. > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather than > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > lord > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > should > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > this > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > extend.> > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was -> > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > said "since > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the native > will > > marry maternal uncle's daughter" and so on. But that WRONG > CONCLUSION > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > because > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is why I > > attracted your attention to it. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "Rup Krishen > Baqaya" > > <baqayarup@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in> > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > astrology> > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > that> > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I also > do> > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord aspecting > the> > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with cousin > the> > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > course> > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > can't> > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or aspect of> > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In> > > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > assertaining > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > ==>> > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > uncles > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so).> > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn> (3rd > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > > lord > > > > > Venus in the 3rd.> > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > maternal > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > lord > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd.> > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > <==> > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > stuck!!> > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry from > > from > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this point.> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort.> > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and wife > > all > > > > > have this combination.> > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > also > > > > having > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of his > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > surrounding > > > > > associating.> > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures and > is > > > > true.> > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > the > > 3rd > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > Lagna > > > > > (including amsha rashi).> > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > too.When > > my > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > daughter> > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so).> > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn> (3rd > > > > lord > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th lord > > Venus > > > > > in the 3rd.> > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > maternal > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > lord > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd.> > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > Regds> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > A pdf document that discuss "Lagna lord in various > houses" > > is > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > folder "Sreenadh". > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > /La> > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > This document currently deals upto "lagna lord in 3rd > > house". I > > > > > will > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as well, > as > > time > > > > > > permits.> > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.> >> > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Baqaya ji, ==> I also follow the rashi system but know the other system too and i answered the question in this manner because the question was asked by the querrent in that manner.So i thought that the querrent follows the other system.Otherwise i follow the same system as you. <== Yes, I got the point and agree. Thanks. Love, Sreenadh , Rup Baqaya <baqayarup wrote: > > I am not stretching the point further.However i may tell you that the lagna lord will remain the same in any case.Whether the starting point is 28 degrees of leo or 2 degrees of leo,by the raashi system lagna will be leo and its lord will be Sun in both the cases.I also follow the rashi system but know the other system too and i answered the question in this manner because the question was asked by the querrent in that manner.So i thought that the querrent follows the other system.Otherwise i follow the same system as you.Hope u understand. > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Baqaya ji, > ==> > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the point > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts. > <== > I would like to differ - all the available proofs prior to Sripati > of 10th centaury clearly shows that the sages considered 'Signs > itself as Houses'. A detailed article about the same you will find > inside the folder " Sreenadh " in the files section. > Of course I agree that there are some medieval & modern astrologers > who consider houses in this manner - but as far as I know, definitely > there is no proof available to show that ancient Indian astrologers > followed any such system (i.e. considering lagna -longitude- a the > point at which the house starts) as mentioned by you. > Note: We shouldn't stretch this further, because the same is > discussed many times in the group earlier, and already consumed much > time. Another thing is that, starting a new controversy will deviate > us from the current thread of " Lagna lord in various houses " . But > still, this mail of yours informs me that our concept of house > differs. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Rup Krishen Baqaya " > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the point > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts.This > > beginning point is known in technical parlance as the cusp.Here > since > > the cusp of the first house is at 28 degrees kumbha,the lagna lord > > will be Shani.It is another matter that the sign pisces starts > > immediately thereafter and thus there may be considerable element of > > Guru too in ur son's personality(as lagna lord determines the > > personality).However technically the lagna lord will be known as > shani > > only. RK , R > Venkat > > <rdjvenkat@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son got > > his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ > degrees. > > now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, > Saturn, > > Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus. > > > > > > please throw some light on this. > > > > > > thank you. > > > venkat > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Agreed - thanks. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call > it > > > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be > given > > > to such chance happenings. > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > > > opener! Good points. > > > > ==> > > > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative. > > > > <== > > > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > > > logical > > > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > > > hora > > > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > > > uploaded. > > > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather > than > > > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > > > lord > > > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > > > should > > > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > > > this > > > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > > > extend. > > > > > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was - > > > > > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > > > said " since > > > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the > native > > > will > > > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that WRONG > > > CONCLUSION > > > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > > > because > > > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is > why I > > > > attracted your attention to it. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " Rup Krishen > > > Baqaya " > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in > > > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > > > astrology > > > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > > > that > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I > also > > > do > > > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord > aspecting > > > the > > > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with > cousin > > > the > > > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > > > course > > > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > > > can't > > > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or > aspect of > > > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > > > assertaining > > > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > > > uncles > > > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think > so). > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord > saturn > > > (3rd > > > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and > 5th > > > > lord > > > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > > maternal > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has > lagna > > > > lord > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > <== > > > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry > from > > > > from > > > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and > wife > > > > all > > > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > > > also > > > > > > having > > > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of > his > > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > > > surrounding > > > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures > and > > > is > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > > > the > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > > > Lagna > > > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > > > too.When > > > > my > > > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > > > daughter > > > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord > saturn > > > (3rd > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > lord > > > > Venus > > > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > > maternal > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has > lagna > > > > lord > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in various > > > houses " > > > > is > > > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > /La > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in 3rd > > > > house " . I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as > well, > > > as > > > > time > > > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > Travel. > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Srinadh, The right way of doing a research is to evaluate what we are saying, If u crosscheck few horoscopes to validate any method, will only do good, There is no harm in doing a cross check, however, particularly, in this case, this cross check may not be required, that's a different thing. As you already know abt me, u are aware that my astrological journey is only 4 - 5 months old, though i have been a member of Baqaya sir's earlier group. Yea, I m a novice. I m only giving emphasis on approach not on the quantum of the knowledge that comes with experience, which is definitely more with u and other astrologers, pls. dont get confused with quantum and approach, this sort of excercises are mandatory for what u said - " systematically study and re-construct the old in its original form " , I also wish to be part of this mission, but after finding the original, i w'd like to enhance it further if required. regards, Lalit. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Lalit ji, > You will find the subject discussed in the file: > Sreenadh/ > Signs and Houses.pdf > That is the file named " Signs and Houses.pdf " in the files section, > inside the folder " Sreenadh " . > ==> > > In india there has been a habbit of saying " Old is Gold " which is > > not an universal truth. > <== > Yah, I agree. Even Kalidasa has told " Puranamityeva na sadhu sarvam " > (Oldness does not the ensure the quality/truth of things). > > But not that as the name of this group " " > sujests here we are trying to search for the gold IN old, waving away > the trash and irrelevant. > ==> > > Let's examine some charts with both the views to infer which one is > > correct and burry the controversy forever. > <== > I am not at all interested in such exercises - because that is not > the purpose of this group. This group is NOT TO check whether old or > new is true or better applicable; but rather to " systematically study > and re-construct the old in its original form " . Hope you see the lack > of co-relation between your argument and the purpose of this group. > In the context of the purpose and aim of this group - your suggestion > (which even you won't able enough to handle - and no one with a clear > understanding of astrology and its methods will propose) become > irrelevant. Dear Lalit ji, the above statement clearly shows that you > are a novice in astrology. Baqaya ji, is well learned and I hope > he will never raise such arguments - because possibly he could see > the core of things. > * The point is - > * It is not that : considering house from lagna longitude onwards is > right or something else is wrong. > * It is: The ancient indian astrology considered SIGNS ITSELF AS > HOUSES. > The question is - > * Are we trying to learn the system as visualized by the sages? OR > * Are we trying to try and test a thousand systems originated later > and endlessly playing with them and trying to plug them (welding?!) > with the old system? > The futility of the second approach is proved through ages - and > here we are going back to the basics; and is trying to visualize the > system of astrology as visualized by the sages. That is why all these > importance on sage quotes on all these discussions you see in this > group. Hope you see the point. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Srinadh, > > > > with no interest in stretching an already stretched discussed, I > w'd > > like to know from you, what you have observed in this matter, In > > india there has been a habbit of saying " Old is Gold " which is not > an > > universal truth. > > > > Let's examine some charts with both the views to infer which one is > > correct and burry the cotroversy forever. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Baqaya ji, > > > ==> > > > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the > point > > > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts. > > > <== > > > I would like to differ - all the available proofs prior to > Sripati > > > of 10th centaury clearly shows that the sages considered 'Signs > > > itself as Houses'. A detailed article about the same you will > find > > > inside the folder " Sreenadh " in the files section. > > > Of course I agree that there are some medieval & modern > > astrologers > > > who consider houses in this manner - but as far as I know, > > definitely > > > there is no proof available to show that ancient Indian > astrologers > > > followed any such system (i.e. considering lagna -longitude- a > the > > > point at which the house starts) as mentioned by you. > > > Note: We shouldn't stretch this further, because the same is > > > discussed many times in the group earlier, and already consumed > > much > > > time. Another thing is that, starting a new controversy will > > deviate > > > us from the current thread of " Lagna lord in various houses " . But > > > still, this mail of yours informs me that our concept of house > > > differs. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " Rup Krishen > > Baqaya " > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the > > point > > > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts.This > > > > beginning point is known in technical parlance as the cusp.Here > > > since > > > > the cusp of the first house is at 28 degrees kumbha,the lagna > lord > > > > will be Shani.It is another matter that the sign pisces starts > > > > immediately thereafter and thus there may be considerable > element > > of > > > > Guru too in ur son's personality(as lagna lord determines the > > > > personality).However technically the lagna lord will be known > as > > > shani > > > > only. RK , R > > > Venkat > > > > <rdjvenkat@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my > son > > got > > > > his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ > > > degrees. > > > > now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, > > > Saturn, > > > > Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus. > > > > > > > > > > please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > thank you. > > > > > venkat > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > Agreed - thanks. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some > > call > > > it > > > > > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need > be > > > given > > > > > to such chance happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > > > > > opener! Good points. > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative. > > > > > > <== > > > > > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > > > > > logical > > > > > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, > > Meenaraja > > > > > hora > > > > > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > > > > > uploaded. > > > > > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive > > results > > > > > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather > > > than > > > > > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the > > lagna > > > > > lord > > > > > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived > relations > > > > > should > > > > > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a > certain > > > > > extend. > > > > > > > > > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail > was - > > > > > > > > > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > > > > > said " since > > > > > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the > > > native > > > > > will > > > > > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that WRONG > > > > > CONCLUSION > > > > > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event > and > > > > > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co- incidence; > > > > > because > > > > > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That > is > > > why I > > > > > > attracted your attention to it. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rup > Krishen > > > > > Baqaya " > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna > lord > > in > > > > > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic > > mentioning > > > > > that > > > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a > relative.I > > > also > > > > > do > > > > > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord > > > aspecting > > > > > the > > > > > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with > > > cousin > > > > > the > > > > > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my > logic.There > > of > > > > > course > > > > > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion > > We > > > > > can't > > > > > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or > > > aspect of > > > > > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > > > > > assertaining > > > > > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his > > maternal > > > > > uncles > > > > > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i > think > > > so). > > > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord > > > saturn > > > > > (3rd > > > > > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th > > and > > > 5th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of > his > > > > > > maternal > > > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has > > > lagna > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am > > wonder > > > > > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry > > > from > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms > this > > > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father > and > > > wife > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He > > is > > > > > also > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature > of > > > his > > > > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings > always > > > > > > surrounding > > > > > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in > > scriptures > > > and > > > > > is > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and > strength > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and > strength > > of > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > > > > > too.When > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > uncles > > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord > > > saturn > > > > > (3rd > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and > 5th > > > lord > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of > his > > > > > > maternal > > > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has > > > lagna > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in various > > > > > houses " > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside > the > > > > > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > /La > > > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in > 3rd > > > > > > house " . I > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as > > > well, > > > > > as > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > > > > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > > > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Venkat ji, Sorry, if my words hurt you - but it was unintentional. I was reacting to the mail, and not to the individual. > I am not follower of any sect of -logy. Good to know that. > You are imagining and answering with unwarranted comments. Sorry, if I did so. Love, Sreenadh , R Venkat <rdjvenkat wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh > A harsh way of replying to someone who asked you sincerely doestnt > behove well of 'such' a learned astrologers. > I am not follower of any sect of -logy. You are imagining and answering > with unwarranted comments. > My intention was to know the status of Lords Meena Rasi/Kanni Rasi with regard > to the lagna bhava. > Thanks for your 'free insults' but a request: please dont treat everyone like > this. > Venkat > p.s: whether you are learned or not, humbleness & politeness is basic requirement > of a normal person. > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Venkat, > Lagna is always a moment - a longitude; It CANNOT span longitudes. > The sign in which the lagna longitude falls is also called Lagna Sign > (Lagna Rasi) or Lagna House (Lagna Bhava). Therefore if your son's > lagna longitude is in Aquarius - the lord of Aquarius is his lagna > lord; i.e. Saturn. > Your absurd doubt indicates that you are a follower of some absurd > methodologies - searching in darkness. Throughout all those > stupidities you have memorized till now - and start learning > astrology anew; you will learn what it is used for. Also learn to be > sincere - instead of starting with lies such as " I am a novice in > astrology " . You are not even a novice - you haven't even started, > even after memorizing all those stupidities you read till now! So > just start anew..... > Love, > Sreenadh > > , R Venkat > <rdjvenkat@> wrote: > > > > Dear All > > > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son got > his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ > degrees. now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my > son, Saturn, Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or > Venus. > > > > please throw some light on this. > > > > thank you. > > venkat > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Agreed - thanks. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call it > > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be > given > > to such chance happenings. > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > > opener! Good points. > > > ==> > > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative. > > > <== > > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > > logical > > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > > hora > > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > > uploaded. > > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather than > > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > > lord > > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > > should > > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > > this > > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > > extend. > > > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was - > > > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > > said " since > > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the native > > will > > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that WRONG > > CONCLUSION > > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > > because > > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is why > I > > > attracted your attention to it. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " Rup Krishen > > Baqaya " > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in > > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > > astrology > > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > > that > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I > also > > do > > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord > aspecting > > the > > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with cousin > > the > > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > > course > > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > > can't > > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or aspect > of > > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > > assertaining > > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > > ==> > > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > > uncles > > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn > > (3rd > > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and > 5th > > > lord > > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > maternal > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > > lord > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > <== > > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry from > > > from > > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this > point. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > --- In > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and wife > > > all > > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > > also > > > > > having > > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of his > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > > surrounding > > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures > and > > is > > > > > true. > > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > > the > > > 3rd > > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > > Lagna > > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > > too.When > > > my > > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > > daughter > > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn > > (3rd > > > > > lord > > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > lord > > > Venus > > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > maternal > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > > lord > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in various > > houses " > > > is > > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > /La > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in 3rd > > > house " . I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as well, > > as > > > time > > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Krishen ji, i have a doubt on cuspal lordship,in my case i have lagna at 29 degrees of capricorn,either way my lagna lord is shani but when it comes to other houses and lordships its a confusing for me,as for now my doubt is "can bhava chart used in case of these placement of cuspal asc degrees, if yes then will yogas be formed from them to,what about the interpretation of lords in various houses ,for instance venus in my chart with technical lagna capricorn is in 4 degrees of mithuna i.e in sixth house but in bhava wise it will be in 5th house .which results should be taken.please advise . Regards to all, Kumar.Rup Krishen Baqaya <baqayarup wrote: Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the pointof beginning,that is the point at which the house starts.Thisbeginning point is known in technical parlance as the cusp.Here sincethe cusp of the first house is at 28 degrees kumbha,the lagna lordwill be Shani.It is another matter that the sign pisces startsimmediately thereafter and thus there may be considerable element ofGuru too in ur son's personality(as lagna lord determines thepersonality).However technically the lagna lord will be known as shanionly. RK , R Venkat<rdjvenkat wrote:>> Dear All> > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son gothis lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ degrees.now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, Saturn,Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or Venus.> > please throw some light on this.> > thank you.> venkat> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Agreed - thanks. > Love,> Sreenadh> > , Rup Baqaya > <baqayarup@> wrote:> >> > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call it > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be given > to such chance happenings.> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > opener! Good points. > > ==>> > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that> > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.> > <==> > It should be read "marriage WITH a relative". Of course - > logical > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > hora > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > uploaded. > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather than > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > lord > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > should > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > this > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > extend.> > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was -> > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > said "since > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the native > will > > marry maternal uncle's daughter" and so on. But that WRONG > CONCLUSION > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > because > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is why I > > attracted your attention to it. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "Rup Krishen > Baqaya" > > <baqayarup@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in> > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > astrology> > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > that> > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I also > do> > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord aspecting > the> > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with cousin > the> > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > course> > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > can't> > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or aspect of> > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In> > > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > assertaining > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > ==>> > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > uncles > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so).> > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn> (3rd > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > > lord > > > > > Venus in the 3rd.> > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > maternal > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > lord > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd.> > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > <==> > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > stuck!!> > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry from > > from > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this point.> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort.> > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and wife > > all > > > > > have this combination.> > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > also > > > > having > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of his > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > surrounding > > > > > associating.> > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures and > is > > > > true.> > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > the > > 3rd > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > Lagna > > > > > (including amsha rashi).> > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > too.When > > my > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > daughter> > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so).> > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn> (3rd > > > > lord > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th lord > > Venus > > > > > in the 3rd.> > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > maternal > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > lord > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd.> > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > Regds> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > A pdf document that discuss "Lagna lord in various > houses" > > is > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > folder "Sreenadh". > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > /La> > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > This document currently deals upto "lagna lord in 3rd > > house". I > > > > > will > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as well, > as > > time > > > > > > permits.> > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.> >> > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Shreenadh, Maybe your reading of the visitor/member self-characterisation with regard to astrology was none too off the mark, but you went overboard. Rather uncharacteristic of you! Here's clearing the air if I may (and Sreenadh is one of the finest persons I have come across). By the way, Mr Venkat, what's Moon doing in your horns of dilemma? Make that Mercury. The mid-point between the first pair of horns goes to Ju and that between the second pair is claimed by Merc. That about takes care of the issue, I believe! Please write with greater application of mind. Forum will appreciate that. Cheerio, RKSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Venkat ji,Sorry, if my words hurt you - but it was unintentional. I was reacting to the mail, and not to the individual. > I am not follower of any sect of -logy. Good to know that.> You are imagining and answering with unwarranted comments.Sorry, if I did so.Love,Sreenadh , R Venkat <rdjvenkat wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh> A harsh way of replying to someone who asked you sincerely doestnt> behove well of 'such' a learned astrologers. > I am not follower of any sect of -logy. You are imagining and answering> with unwarranted comments.> My intention was to know the status of Lords Meena Rasi/Kanni Rasi with regard> to the lagna bhava.> Thanks for your 'free insults' but a request: please dont treat everyone like> this.> Venkat> p.s: whether you are learned or not, humbleness & politeness is basic requirement> of a normal person.> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Venkat,> Lagna is always a moment - a longitude; It CANNOT span longitudes. > The sign in which the lagna longitude falls is also called Lagna Sign > (Lagna Rasi) or Lagna House (Lagna Bhava). Therefore if your son's > lagna longitude is in Aquarius - the lord of Aquarius is his lagna > lord; i.e. Saturn.> Your absurd doubt indicates that you are a follower of some absurd > methodologies - searching in darkness. Throughout all those > stupidities you have memorized till now - and start learning > astrology anew; you will learn what it is used for. Also learn to be > sincere - instead of starting with lies such as "I am a novice in > astrology". You are not even a novice - you haven't even started, > even after memorizing all those stupidities you read till now! So > just start anew..... > Love,> Sreenadh> > , R Venkat > <rdjvenkat@> wrote:> >> > Dear All> > > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my son got > his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ > degrees. now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my > son, Saturn, Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or > Venus.> > > > please throw some light on this.> > > > thank you.> > venkat> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Agreed - thanks. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , Rup Baqaya > > <baqayarup@> wrote:> > >> > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some call it > > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance need be > given > > to such chance happenings.> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > > opener! Good points. > > > ==>> > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that> > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.> > > <==> > > It should be read "marriage WITH a relative". Of course - > > logical > > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, Meenaraja > > hora > > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > > uploaded. > > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive results > > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) rather than > > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the lagna > > lord > > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived relations > > should > > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. Based on > > this > > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a certain > > extend.> > > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail was -> > > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > > said "since > > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the native > > will > > > marry maternal uncle's daughter" and so on. But that WRONG > > CONCLUSION > > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event and > > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co-incidence; > > because > > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That is why > I > > > attracted your attention to it. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "Rup Krishen > > Baqaya" > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna lord in> > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the vedic > > astrology> > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic mentioning > > that> > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a relative.I > also > > do> > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord > aspecting > > the> > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with cousin > > the> > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my logic.There of > > course> > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further opinion We > > can't> > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or aspect > of> > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In> > > > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > > assertaining > > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > > ==>> > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > > uncles > > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so).> > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn> > (3rd > > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and > 5th > > > lord > > > > > > Venus in the 3rd.> > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > maternal > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > > lord > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd.> > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > <==> > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am wonder > > > stuck!!> > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might marry from > > > from > > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms this > point.> > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father and wife > > > all > > > > > > have this combination.> > > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many siblings.He is > > also > > > > > having > > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the nature of his > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings always > > > surrounding > > > > > > associating.> > > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in scriptures > and > > is > > > > > true.> > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and strength of > > the > > > 3rd > > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and strength of > > Lagna > > > > > > (including amsha rashi).> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were educative > > too.When > > > my > > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal uncles > > daughter> > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so).> > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna lord saturn> > (3rd > > > > > lord > > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and 5th > lord > > > Venus > > > > > > in the 3rd.> > > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of his > > > maternal > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother has lagna > > > lord > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss "Lagna lord in various > > houses" > > > is > > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside the > > > > > > > folder "Sreenadh". > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > /La> > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > > This document currently deals upto "lagna lord in 3rd > > > house". I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses as well, > > as > > > time > > > > > > > permits.> > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > Travel.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.> >> > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Lalit ji, ==> > The right way of doing a research is to evaluate what we are > saying, If u crosscheck few horoscopes to validate any method, will > only do good, There is no harm in doing a cross check.. <== Yes, I agree completely, and we will be doing the same regularly in this group. But note that we will be doing the same ONLY FOR the knowledge we accumulate from ancient texts. We are not going to cross check the new born modern methods in astrology that are used by many. This is what I wanted to point to. I am also in favor of cross checking so that we can filter out truth and lie from the ancient quotes available. Hope you see the point. ==> > I also wish to be part of this mission, but after finding the > original, i w'd like to enhance it further if required. <== Yes, this also is advised and appreciated - but it should be done with out violating the fundamentals (basics). This is what we all want to do. But on the other hand the systems and modifications that violates even the fundamentals would be discarded without a re- thought. You know why - the group is after systematic reconstruction of the ancient knowledge; and not after creating a building from vacuum. So essentially our opinions are one and the same I hope. Love, Sreenadh , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Srinadh, > > The right way of doing a research is to evaluate what we are saying, > If u crosscheck few horoscopes to validate any method, will only do > good, There is no harm in doing a cross check, however, particularly, > in this case, this cross check may not be required, that's a > different thing. > > As you already know abt me, u are aware that my astrological journey > is only 4 - 5 months old, though i have been a member of Baqaya sir's > earlier group. Yea, I m a novice. > > I m only giving emphasis on approach not on the quantum of the > knowledge that comes with experience, which is definitely more with u > and other astrologers, pls. dont get confused with quantum and > approach, this sort of excercises are mandatory for what u said - > > " systematically study and re-construct the old in its original form " , > I also wish to be part of this mission, but after finding the > original, i w'd like to enhance it further if required. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > You will find the subject discussed in the file: > > > Sreenadh/ > > Signs and Houses.pdf > > That is the file named " Signs and Houses.pdf " in the files > section, > > inside the folder " Sreenadh " . > > ==> > > > In india there has been a habbit of saying " Old is Gold " which is > > > not an universal truth. > > <== > > Yah, I agree. Even Kalidasa has told " Puranamityeva na sadhu > sarvam " > > (Oldness does not the ensure the quality/truth of things). > > > > But not that as the name of this group " " > > sujests here we are trying to search for the gold IN old, waving > away > > the trash and irrelevant. > > ==> > > > Let's examine some charts with both the views to infer which one > is > > > correct and burry the controversy forever. > > <== > > I am not at all interested in such exercises - because that is > not > > the purpose of this group. This group is NOT TO check whether old > or > > new is true or better applicable; but rather to " systematically > study > > and re-construct the old in its original form " . Hope you see the > lack > > of co-relation between your argument and the purpose of this group. > > In the context of the purpose and aim of this group - your > suggestion > > (which even you won't able enough to handle - and no one with a > clear > > understanding of astrology and its methods will propose) become > > irrelevant. Dear Lalit ji, the above statement clearly shows that > you > > are a novice in astrology. Baqaya ji, is well learned and I hope > > he will never raise such arguments - because possibly he could see > > the core of things. > > * The point is - > > * It is not that : considering house from lagna longitude onwards > is > > right or something else is wrong. > > * It is: The ancient indian astrology considered SIGNS ITSELF AS > > HOUSES. > > The question is - > > * Are we trying to learn the system as visualized by the sages? OR > > * Are we trying to try and test a thousand systems originated > later > > and endlessly playing with them and trying to plug them (welding?!) > > with the old system? > > The futility of the second approach is proved through ages - and > > here we are going back to the basics; and is trying to visualize > the > > system of astrology as visualized by the sages. That is why all > these > > importance on sage quotes on all these discussions you see in this > > group. Hope you see the point. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, > > > > > > with no interest in stretching an already stretched discussed, I > > w'd > > > like to know from you, what you have observed in this matter, In > > > india there has been a habbit of saying " Old is Gold " which is > not > > an > > > universal truth. > > > > > > Let's examine some charts with both the views to infer which one > is > > > correct and burry the cotroversy forever. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Baqaya ji, > > > > ==> > > > > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from the > > point > > > > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts. > > > > <== > > > > I would like to differ - all the available proofs prior to > > Sripati > > > > of 10th centaury clearly shows that the sages considered 'Signs > > > > itself as Houses'. A detailed article about the same you will > > find > > > > inside the folder " Sreenadh " in the files section. > > > > Of course I agree that there are some medieval & modern > > > astrologers > > > > who consider houses in this manner - but as far as I know, > > > definitely > > > > there is no proof available to show that ancient Indian > > astrologers > > > > followed any such system (i.e. considering lagna -longitude- a > > the > > > > point at which the house starts) as mentioned by you. > > > > Note: We shouldn't stretch this further, because the same is > > > > discussed many times in the group earlier, and already consumed > > > much > > > > time. Another thing is that, starting a new controversy will > > > deviate > > > > us from the current thread of " Lagna lord in various houses " . > But > > > > still, this mail of yours informs me that our concept of house > > > > differs. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " Rup Krishen > > > Baqaya " > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lordship of any house including lagna is determined from > the > > > point > > > > > of beginning,that is the point at which the house starts.This > > > > > beginning point is known in technical parlance as the > cusp.Here > > > > since > > > > > the cusp of the first house is at 28 degrees kumbha,the lagna > > lord > > > > > will be Shani.It is another matter that the sign pisces starts > > > > > immediately thereafter and thus there may be considerable > > element > > > of > > > > > Guru too in ur son's personality(as lagna lord determines the > > > > > personality).However technically the lagna lord will be known > > as > > > > shani > > > > > only. RK--- In , > R > > > > Venkat > > > > > <rdjvenkat@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a novice in astrology. I have a genuine doubt. my > > son > > > got > > > > > his lagna as Kumbha (Acq.) 28+ degrees and ending at Mesha 1+ > > > > degrees. > > > > > now i have a question who will be the lagna lord for my son, > > > > Saturn, > > > > > Jupiter or Mars. Same applies to 7th bhava, Sun, Moon or > Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you. > > > > > > venkat > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Agreed - thanks. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens at times that the uttered word comes true.Some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > vaksidhi yoga.However in my opinion not much importance > need > > be > > > > given > > > > > > to such chance happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: An eye > > > > > > opener! Good points. > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > I do not remember any classic mentioning that > > > > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a > relative. > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > It should be read " marriage WITH a relative " . Of course - > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > support is available from quotes from Parasara hora, > > > Meenaraja > > > > > > hora > > > > > > > etc. The same is provided and discussed in the document I > > > > > > uploaded. > > > > > > > But definitely I agree that - it is not right to derive > > > results > > > > > > > from place of aspect to house (i.e. here 9th to 3rd) > rather > > > > than > > > > > > > house to place of aspect (i.e from 3rd to 9th). Here the > > > lagna > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > in 3rd is aspecting 9th, and therefore the derived > > relations > > > > > > should > > > > > > > be from 3rd to 9th; and shouldn't be from 9th to 3rd. > Based > > > on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > fundamental logic - I agree with your arguments to a > > certain > > > > > > extend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the point I called your attention in Pradeep's mail > > was - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said some thing based on WRONG conclusion - remember i > > > > > > said " since > > > > > > > 9th house is 5th from 6th house, (a wrong statement), the > > > > native > > > > > > will > > > > > > > marry maternal uncle's daughter " and so on. But that > WRONG > > > > > > CONCLUSION > > > > > > > came true in some charts and Pradeep ji, quoted the event > > and > > > > > > > appreciated it as well! I was stunned by this co- > incidence; > > > > > > because > > > > > > > the uttered words were becoming true without reason. That > > is > > > > why I > > > > > > > attracted your attention to it. > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rup > > Krishen > > > > > > Baqaya " > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh, The results that i have given for lagna > > lord > > > in > > > > > > > > various houses are a summarised version of what the > vedic > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > classics have to say.I do not remember any classic > > > mentioning > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > lagna lord in the third would mean marriage to a > > relative.I > > > > also > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not find much logic in the observation that lagna lord > > > > aspecting > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 9th would mean marriage to a relative.For marriage with > > > > cousin > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > yoga should be 7th lord in 3rd according to my > > logic.There > > > of > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > can be other alternate combinations.In my further > opinion > > > We > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > find answers to all questions merely by the position or > > > > aspect of > > > > > > > > lagna lord alone.Regards RK--- In > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications - that helps us much in > > > > > > > assertaining > > > > > > > > > the validity of those derivations. > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > When my father was young he wanted to marry his > > > maternal > > > > > > uncles > > > > > > > > > > daughter (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i > > think > > > > so). > > > > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna > lord > > > > saturn > > > > > > (3rd > > > > > > > > > > lord debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted > 10th > > > and > > > > 5th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > Venus in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of > > his > > > > > > > maternal > > > > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother > has > > > > lagna > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > Ohh!! Krishen ji do you have a say on this?!!! I am > > > wonder > > > > > > > stuck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 3rd (aspects 9th): The native might > marry > > > > from > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > some relative. The information you provide confirms > > this > > > > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the pdfs and continous effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Lagan lord in the 3rd - My mother,father > > and > > > > wife > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > have this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My father is the eldest son and have many > siblings.He > > > is > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > many individuals to associate with due to the > nature > > of > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother too has relatives and many step siblings > > always > > > > > > > surrounding > > > > > > > > > > associating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parakarama of the individuals is mentioned in > > > scriptures > > > > and > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > The degree varies according to the nature and > > strength > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > lord house,associating planets and nature and > > strength > > > of > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > (including amsha rashi). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam and devakeralam examples were > educative > > > > > > too.When > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > father was young he wanted to marry his maternal > > uncles > > > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > > > (first cousin) and did not fructify:-)(i think so). > > > > > > > > > > His 3rd lord Guru undergoes exchange with lagna > lord > > > > saturn > > > > > > (3rd > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > debilitated in lagna).Saturn joins exalted 10th and > > 5th > > > > lord > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My mother on the other hand is also the daughter of > > his > > > > > > > maternal > > > > > > > > > > uncle though not direct or first cousin.My mother > has > > > > lagna > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > Mars exalted in the 3rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is good to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > A pdf document that discuss " Lagna lord in > various > > > > > > houses " > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > uploaded in the files section of the group inside > > the > > > > > > > > > > > folder " Sreenadh " . > > > > > > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > /La > > > > > > > > > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > This document currently deals upto " lagna lord in > > 3rd > > > > > > > house " . I > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > update this document to include all other houses > as > > > > well, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > permits. > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > > > > > > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > > > > > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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