Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Sunilji, Thanks for your reply.I fully agree that learning has to proceed slowly & steadily. A suggestion:Will it not be better if the discussion on Lagna lord in various houses be substantiated with charts of some personalities so that the principles can be remembered well Hope my suggestion meets with the approval of all Regards, aavesh sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna. dear avesh ji , We can understand your over enthusiasm. As u can see we started from basics ,so let us progress that way .So many requests will spoil every thing .Slow and staedy wins the race .Now lagna lord and its discussions in various bhavas and some allied queries also appearring which is un avoidable .Then to other areas slowly .Pls stay with us . Hope u will understand regrds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > Is this thread closed for discussion ??> > Kindly let me know as I wanted to continue on this with case studies > > Best Regards,> > aavesh> > > aavesh t aavesh_s wrote:> > aavesh t aavesh_s Tue, 4 Sep 2007 01:21:42 +0100 (BST)> Subject: Pancha Mahaprusha Yogas> > Dear Amitji,> > Thanks for posting your data.> > You have a very powerful chart with Hamsa yoga formed in the 4th house.This will give you very good results vis a vis the 4th house indications viz conveyances,real estate etc> > The Yuti of Shani Maharaj & Rahu in the 5th is not good for peace of mind.> There is always a dissatisfaction regarding your career in particular (even though you may be doing very well by normal standards)> > Sreenadhji : The best way to learn Jyotish is to apply it to charts (mere theory> will take us nowhere).I humbly suggest that we use some charts of famous> personalities to discuss on this very vital concept of Jyotish> > Hoping to have your concurrence on this> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > > Amit Sinha amit.sinha wrote:> Sir,> I am sorry if you think so.> But I have just pointed out on the mahapurusha yogas and I was asking for the discussion as said by Mr. Avesh.> If that is an offence putting up one's own chart I will give you details of a number of persons whom I know personally and they do have mahapurusha yogas.> But now I think that I should first ask you whether I can provide chart details of a particular person.> I have one of my friend who has got bhadra mahapurusha yoga… can I ask for a discussion on that or will that also be an offence to the group?> > With due regards,> Amit Sinha> > > > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Monday, September 03, 2007 3:20 PM> To: > Re: Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha> > > Dear Amit ji,> Don't try to squeeze out a reading...It is well evident and visible > in your mails.. > > Note: The intentions reflect in the words. Words are like mirrors!> Love,> Sreenadh> > , "Amit Sinha" > amit.sinha@ wrote:> >> > Thanks Sreeram,> > > > For such an explanation, but what I have read only BPHS and BPHS > says> > very little about this, so I gave my understanding and my own> > experience. Its upto learned members like you to analyse and > explain the> > proper thing so that I be guided in my learning process. I had that> > combination so I wrote as the discussion was going on. I would be> > thankful to you if you can explain why they haven't fructified as> > written in BPHS that will increase the learning of all the members > so> > that no one else will be interpret it wrong if a chart infront of > them.> > > > > > > > My sincere thanks to you.> > > > > > > > Amit Sinha> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64@] > > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:58 PM> > ; Amit Sinha> > Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha> > Importance: High> > > > > > > > Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > > > > > There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart > from> > the simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once > detailed the> > occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical> > analysis in vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One > would> > often has a reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in> > one's own horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such> > conclusions. Let us see why....> > > > > > > > Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is > possible> > for Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 -> 2> > times in a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month.> > This means on average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This > shows> > in a gregorian calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just > imagine> > how many people born in a month are supposed to be having this> > Mahapurush Yogas.> > > > > > > > Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to > be "> > Mahapurush".....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary > Charan> > Singh & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be> > "YUGA PURUSH" !!}. This is not limited to India, but every> > country....do NOT forget to include China in your > calculations.......> > > > > > > > So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the> > vanilla interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the > planet> > is placed also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to> > neutralize or make ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata > Yoga.> > Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and > is> > also vargottam or debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga.> > > > > > > > Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill,> > hence, one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If> > Mahapurush yogas were to confer certain amount of "purity of > thinking"> > as Mr. Amit Sinha in his ignorance written it in his original > mail, do> > not forget our great Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also > had> > purity of thinking but politically mis-understood or incorrect > thinking.> > Though western people take every opportunity to paint in the darkest> > shades of black, but do not forget that there were few political > issues> > which were THRUSTED upon the Germans subsequent to First World War,> > which has antognized many right thinking & the most resurgent group > in> > Europe - The Germans, which was also the cause of Second World War, > and> > to think of it,....nobody wants to highlight the wrong decisions > taken> > by France & other nations which led to war events, because history > is> > written by those people who won the war. Remember Hitler was very > very> > popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose to such high military> > positions in such a short period of time.> > > > > > > > Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary > devotion> > and qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My> > sincere intent & advice to all is to see things in proper > perspective> > and do not rush in to conclusions> > > > > > > > The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very> > basis of this groups names "ancient_astrology".....first understand > what> > the scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive > some> > innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here > once> > again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at > the> > age of 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the > scriptures...by> > just sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he > has> > revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he> > relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him > to> > correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure> > experience and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave> > their true meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a > couple> > of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon> > him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on > ashtakvarga.> > It was a treat and most pleasurable moment of my life to sit > alongside> > with such a great & humble soul, touch his feet. If one would take> > time to read the bibliography he has gone through before writing his> > books {totalling 5 nos}....it would itself take One hour to read, > the> > scriptures...I do not know how he could find those scriptures...find> > time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly it ....it was God's > gift> > to him...... His stubborness to be original and NOT to copy or> > plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology.> > > > > > > > Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from > real> > people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have> > respect to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events > were to> > indicate anything...today I would never meant another > astrologer...}....> > Choose IMMORTALS to mortals.> > > > > > > > It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the > show of> > skills between "Princes"....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in > archery.> > When queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt> > archery.....Mr. Karna proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who > infact> > happened to be Guru to Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his > Guru> > Bhai } quickly understood, Mr. Karna would easily score over> > Arjun.......rest is all everybody's knowledge.> > > > > > > > This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt> > Astrology as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + > good> > bytes of spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open> > mind. acceptable maturity and originality in thinking.......in a> > nutshell...would NOT accept any self styled Gurus.> > > > > > > > To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including> > statistics, know the true scriptures first, than somebody's> > interpretations, know your guru's properly...how accpeted they are> > ....Techniques of predictions are the ones to be learned from> > knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's example..he has shown> > techniques.....interpretations remain more or less...people may> > differ...but core things remain same...}...> > > > > > > > Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much> > easy for you to be accepted by others.....people respect> > straighway....No yogas No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! {> > real meaning...}!!!> > > > > > > > with regards,> > > > sreeram srinivas> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Once upon a time there was 1 GB storage in your inbox. Click here for happy ending. > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear aavesh ji , see now even the discussion of lagna lord in various houses in not finsihed ,so u can do one thing ,u can try it with known charts in ur known ppl than going after celibrities as many of their birth time availble is not correct unless u know them personaly .And any doubts or some thing we can do it while we discuss in end of discussions ..Concentrate on ur known persons and their events only .Any theorey test on min 100 charts ,so u will be more strong in basics and a good predictor . hope u understand . regrds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Sunilji, > > Thanks for your reply.I fully agree that learning has to proceed slowly & steadily. > > A suggestion:Will it not be better if the discussion on Lagna lord in various > houses be substantiated with charts of some personalities so that the > principles can be remembered well > > Hope my suggestion meets with the approval of all > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > Hare rama krishna. > dear avesh ji , > We can understand your over enthusiasm. > As u can see we started from basics ,so let us progress that way .So many requests will spoil every thing .Slow and staedy wins the race .Now lagna lord and its discussions in various bhavas and some allied queries also appearring which is un avoidable .Then to other areas slowly .Pls stay with us . > Hope u will understand > regrds sunil nair . > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > , aavesh t aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Is this thread closed for discussion ?? > > > > Kindly let me know as I wanted to continue on this with case studies > > > > Best Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > aavesh t aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > aavesh t aavesh_s@ > > Tue, 4 Sep 2007 01:21:42 +0100 (BST) > > Pancha Mahaprusha Yogas > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > Thanks for posting your data. > > > > You have a very powerful chart with Hamsa yoga formed in the 4th house.This will give you very good results vis a vis the 4th house indications viz conveyances,real estate etc > > > > The Yuti of Shani Maharaj & Rahu in the 5th is not good for peace of mind. > > There is always a dissatisfaction regarding your career in particular (even though you may be doing very well by normal standards) > > > > Sreenadhji : The best way to learn Jyotish is to apply it to charts (mere theory > > will take us nowhere).I humbly suggest that we use some charts of famous > > personalities to discuss on this very vital concept of Jyotish > > > > Hoping to have your concurrence on this > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha amit.sinha@ wrote: > > Sir, > > I am sorry if you think so. > > But I have just pointed out on the mahapurusha yogas and I was asking for the discussion as said by Mr. Avesh. > > If that is an offence putting up one's own chart I will give you details of a number of persons whom I know personally and they do have mahapurusha yogas. > > But now I think that I should first ask you whether I can provide chart details of a particular person. > > I have one of my friend who has got bhadra mahapurusha yoga… can I ask for a discussion on that or will that also be an offence to the group? > > > > With due regards, > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh > > Monday, September 03, 2007 3:20 PM > > > > Re: Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > Don't try to squeeze out a reading...It is well evident and visible > > in your mails.. > > > > Note: The intentions reflect in the words. Words are like mirrors! > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Amit Sinha " > > amit.sinha@ wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Sreeram, > > > > > > For such an explanation, but what I have read only BPHS and BPHS > > says > > > very little about this, so I gave my understanding and my own > > > experience. Its upto learned members like you to analyse and > > explain the > > > proper thing so that I be guided in my learning process. I had that > > > combination so I wrote as the discussion was going on. I would be > > > thankful to you if you can explain why they haven't fructified as > > > written in BPHS that will increase the learning of all the members > > so > > > that no one else will be interpret it wrong if a chart infront of > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere thanks to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64@] > > > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:58 PM > > > ; Amit Sinha > > > Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha > > > Importance: High > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > > > > > > > > > There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart > > from > > > the simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once > > detailed the > > > occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical > > > analysis in vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One > > would > > > often has a reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in > > > one's own horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such > > > conclusions. Let us see why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is > > possible > > > for Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 - > > 2 > > > times in a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month. > > > This means on average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This > > shows > > > in a gregorian calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just > > imagine > > > how many people born in a month are supposed to be having this > > > Mahapurush Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to > > be " > > > Mahapurush " .....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary > > Charan > > > Singh & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be > > > " YUGA PURUSH " !!}. This is not limited to India, but every > > > country....do NOT forget to include China in your > > calculations....... > > > > > > > > > > > > So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the > > > vanilla interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the > > planet > > > is placed also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to > > > neutralize or make ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata > > Yoga. > > > Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and > > is > > > also vargottam or debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill, > > > hence, one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If > > > Mahapurush yogas were to confer certain amount of " purity of > > thinking " > > > as Mr. Amit Sinha in his ignorance written it in his original > > mail, do > > > not forget our great Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also > > had > > > purity of thinking but politically mis-understood or incorrect > > thinking. > > > Though western people take every opportunity to paint in the darkest > > > shades of black, but do not forget that there were few political > > issues > > > which were THRUSTED upon the Germans subsequent to First World War, > > > which has antognized many right thinking & the most resurgent group > > in > > > Europe - The Germans, which was also the cause of Second World War, > > and > > > to think of it,....nobody wants to highlight the wrong decisions > > taken > > > by France & other nations which led to war events, because history > > is > > > written by those people who won the war. Remember Hitler was very > > very > > > popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose to such high military > > > positions in such a short period of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary > > devotion > > > and qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My > > > sincere intent & advice to all is to see things in proper > > perspective > > > and do not rush in to conclusions > > > > > > > > > > > > The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very > > > basis of this groups names " ancient_astrology " .....first understand > > what > > > the scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive > > some > > > innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here > > once > > > again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at > > the > > > age of 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the > > scriptures...by > > > just sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he > > has > > > revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he > > > relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him > > to > > > correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure > > > experience and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave > > > their true meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a > > couple > > > of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon > > > him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on > > ashtakvarga. > > > It was a treat and most pleasurable moment of my life to sit > > alongside > > > with such a great & humble soul, touch his feet. If one would take > > > time to read the bibliography he has gone through before writing his > > > books {totalling 5 nos}....it would itself take One hour to read, > > the > > > scriptures...I do not know how he could find those scriptures...find > > > time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly it ....it was God's > > gift > > > to him...... His stubborness to be original and NOT to copy or > > > plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from > > real > > > people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have > > > respect to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events > > were to > > > indicate anything...today I would never meant another > > astrologer...}.... > > > Choose IMMORTALS to mortals. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the > > show of > > > skills between " Princes " ....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in > > archery. > > > When queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt > > > archery.....Mr. Karna proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who > > infact > > > happened to be Guru to Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his > > Guru > > > Bhai } quickly understood, Mr. Karna would easily score over > > > Arjun.......rest is all everybody's knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt > > > Astrology as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + > > good > > > bytes of spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open > > > mind. acceptable maturity and originality in thinking.......in a > > > nutshell...would NOT accept any self styled Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including > > > statistics, know the true scriptures first, than somebody's > > > interpretations, know your guru's properly...how accpeted they are > > > ....Techniques of predictions are the ones to be learned from > > > knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's example..he has shown > > > techniques.....interpretations remain more or less...people may > > > differ...but core things remain same...}... > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much > > > easy for you to be accepted by others.....people respect > > > straighway....No yogas No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! { > > > real meaning...}!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once upon a time there was 1 GB storage in your inbox. Click here for happy ending. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here. > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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