Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart from the simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once detailed the occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical analysis in vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One would often has a reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in one's own horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such conclusions. Let us see why.... Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is possible for Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 - 2 times in a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month. This means on average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This shows in a gregorian calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just imagine how many people born in a month are supposed to be having this Mahapurush Yogas. Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to be " Mahapurush".....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary Charan Singh & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be "YUGA PURUSH" !!}. This is not limited to India, but every country....do NOT forget to include China in your calculations....... So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the vanilla interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the planet is placed also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to neutralize or make ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata Yoga. Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and is also vargottam or debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga. Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill, hence, one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If Mahapurush yogas were to confer certain amount of "purity of thinking" as Mr. Amit Sinha in his ignorance written it in his original mail, do not forget our great Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also had purity of thinking but politically mis-understood or incorrect thinking. Though western people take every opportunity to paint in the darkest shades of black, but do not forget that there were few political issues which were THRUSTED upon the Germans subsequent to First World War, which has antognized many right thinking & the most resurgent group in Europe - The Germans, which was also the cause of Second World War, and to think of it,....nobody wants to highlight the wrong decisions taken by France & other nations which led to war events, because history is written by those people who won the war. Remember Hitler was very very popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose to such high military positions in such a short period of time. Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary devotion and qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My sincere intent & advice to all is to see things in proper perspective and do not rush in to conclusions The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very basis of this groups names "ancient_astrology".....first understand what the scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive some innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here once again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at the age of 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the scriptures...by just sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he has revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him to correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure experience and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave their true meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a couple of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on ashtakvarga. It was a treat and most pleasurable moment of my life to sit alongside with such a great & humble soul, touch his feet. If one would take time to read the bibliography he has gone through before writing his books {totalling 5 nos}....it would itself take One hour to read, the scriptures...I do not know how he could find those scriptures...find time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly it ....it was God's gift to him...... His stubborness to be original and NOT to copy or plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology. Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from real people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have respect to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events were to indicate anything...today I would never meant another astrologer...}.... Choose IMMORTALS to mortals. It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the show of skills between "Princes"....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in archery. When queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt archery.....Mr. Karna proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who infact happened to be Guru to Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his Guru Bhai } quickly understood, Mr. Karna would easily score over Arjun.......rest is all everybody's knowledge. This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt Astrology as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + good bytes of spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open mind. acceptable maturity and originality in thinking.......in a nutshell...would NOT accept any self styled Gurus. To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including statistics, know the true scriptures first, than somebody's interpretations, know your guru's properly...how accpeted they are ....Techniques of predictions are the ones to be learned from knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's example..he has shown techniques.....interpretations remain more or less...people may differ...but core things remain same...}... Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much easy for you to be accepted by others.....people respect straighway....No yogas No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! { real meaning...}!!! with regards, sreeram srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Dear Sreenivasji, Nicely written. A good eye-opener:) We are only poor students and tend to study whatever is easily available to us. Only when we reach a stage to be able to analyse the subject ourselves, then shoud ofcourse think in this perspective. Regards Ravi Nair ; amit.sinhaFrom: sreeram64Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:58:04 +0530 Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart from the simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once detailed the occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical analysis in vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One would often has a reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in one's own horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such conclusions. Let us see why.... Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is possible for Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 - 2 times in a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month. This means on average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This shows in a gregorian calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just imagine how many people born in a month are supposed to be having this Mahapurush Yogas. Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to be " Mahapurush".....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary Charan Singh & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be "YUGA PURUSH" !!}. This is not limited to India, but every country....do NOT forget to include China in your calculations....... So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the vanilla interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the planet is placed also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to neutralize or make ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata Yoga. Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and is also vargottam or debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga. Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill, hence, one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If Mahapurush yogas were to confer certain amount of "purity of thinking" as Mr. Amit Sinha in his ignorance written it in his original mail, do not forget our great Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also had purity of thinking but politically mis-understood or incorrect thinking. Though western people take every opportunity to paint in the darkest shades of black, but do not forget that there were few political issues which were THRUSTED upon the Germans subsequent to First World War, which has antognized many right thinking & the most resurgent group in Europe - The Germans, which was also the cause of Second World War, and to think of it,....nobody wants to highlight the wrong decisions taken by France & other nations which led to war events, because history is written by those people who won the war. Remember Hitler was very very popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose to such high military positions in such a short period of time. Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary devotion and qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My sincere intent & advice to all is to see things in proper perspective and do not rush in to conclusions The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very basis of this groups names "ancient_astrology".....first understand what the scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive some innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here once again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at the age of 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the scriptures...by just sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he has revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him to correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure experience and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave their true meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a couple of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on ashtakvarga. It was a treat and most pleasurable moment of my life to sit alongside with such a great & humble soul, touch his feet. If one would take time to read the bibliography he has gone through before writing his books {totalling 5 nos}....it would itself take One hour to read, the scriptures...I do not know how he could find those scriptures...find time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly it ....it was God's gift to him...... His stubborness to be original and NOT to copy or plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology. Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from real people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have respect to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events were to indicate anything...today I would never meant another astrologer...}.... Choose IMMORTALS to mortals. It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the show of skills between "Princes"....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in archery. When queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt archery.....Mr. Karna proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who infact happened to be Guru to Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his Guru Bhai } quickly understood, Mr. Karna would easily score over Arjun.......rest is all everybody's knowledge. This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt Astrology as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + good bytes of spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open mind. acceptable maturity and originality in thinking.......in a nutshell...would NOT accept any self styled Gurus. To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including statistics, know the true scriptures first, than somebody's interpretations, know your guru's properly...how accpeted they are ....Techniques of predictions are the ones to be learned from knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's example..he has shown techniques.....interpretations remain more or less...people may differ...but core things remain same...}... Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much easy for you to be accepted by others.....people respect straighway....No yogas No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! { real meaning...}!!! with regards, sreeram srinivas Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 hare rama krishna, dear sreenivas,ravi ji and sreeenadh ji, good discussion indeed . thanks and regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13 wrote:>> > Dear Sreenivasji,> > Nicely written. A good eye-opener:) > > We are only poor students and tend to study whatever is easily available to us. Only when we reach a stage to be able to analyse the subject ourselves, then shoud ofcourse think in this perspective. > > Regards> > Ravi Nair> > > > ; amit.sinha: sreeram64: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:58:04 +0530 Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha> > > > > > Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas > > There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart from the simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once detailed the occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical analysis in vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One would often has a reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in one's own horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such conclusions. Let us see why....> > Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is possible for Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 - 2 times in a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month. This means on average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This shows in a gregorian calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just imagine how many people born in a month are supposed to be having this Mahapurush Yogas.> > Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to be " Mahapurush".....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary Charan Singh & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be "YUGA PURUSH" !!}. This is not limited to India, but every country....do NOT forget to include China in your calculations.......> > So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the vanilla interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the planet is placed also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to neutralize or make ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata Yoga. Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and is also vargottam or debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga.> > Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill, hence, one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If Mahapurush yogas were to confer certain amount of "purity of thinking" as Mr. Amit Sinha in his ignorance written it in his original mail, do not forget our great Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also had purity of thinking but politically mis-understood or incorrect thinking. Though western people take every opportunity to paint in the darkest shades of black, but do not forget that there were few political issues which were THRUSTED upon the Germans subsequent to First World War, which has antognized many right thinking & the most resurgent group in Europe - The Germans, which was also the cause of Second World War, and to think of it,....nobody wants to highlight the wrong decisions taken by France & other nations which led to war events, because history is written by those people who won the war. Remember Hitler was very very popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose to such high military positions in such a short period of time.> > Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary devotion and qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My sincere intent & advice to all is to see things in proper perspective and do not rush in to conclusions> > The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very basis of this groups names "ancient_astrology".....first understand what the scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive some innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here once again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at the age of 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the scriptures...by just sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he has revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him to correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure experience and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave their true meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a couple of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on ashtakvarga. It was a treat and most pleasurable moment of my life to sit alongside with such a great & humble soul, touch his feet. If one would take time to read the bibliography he has gone through before writing his books {totalling 5 nos}....it would itself take One hour to read, the scriptures...I do not know how he could find those scriptures...find time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly it ....it was God's gift to him...... His stubborness to be original and NOT to copy or plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology.> > Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from real people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have respect to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events were to indicate anything...today I would never meant another astrologer...}.... Choose IMMORTALS to mortals.> > It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the show of skills between "Princes"....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in archery. When queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt archery.....Mr. Karna proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who infact happened to be Guru to Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his Guru Bhai } quickly understood, Mr. Karna would easily score over Arjun.......rest is all everybody's knowledge.> > This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt Astrology as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + good bytes of spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open mind. acceptable maturity and originality in thinking.......in a nutshell...would NOT accept any self styled Gurus.> > To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including statistics, know the true scriptures first, than somebody's interpretations, know your guru's properly...how accpeted they are ....Techniques of predictions are the ones to be learned from knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's example..he has shown techniques.....interpretations remain more or less...people may differ...but core things remain same...}...> > Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much easy for you to be accepted by others.....people respect straighway....No yogas No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! { real meaning...}!!!> > with regards,> sreeram srinivas> > > > > > > > _______________> Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy!> http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Srinivas ji, Wow! What a mail! It was a pleasure to read it! ==> he told me...that while thinking over a couple of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on ashtakvarga. <== Inspiring!.... ==> Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from real people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.... <== Thought provoking!! : " who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.... " Thanks for the very good mail…. Note: Man! Save your mails! Some day when you would be thinking of publishing some book, they will be handy! Many good ideas in nutshell sparkle in your mails. Thanks. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas > > There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart from the > simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once detailed the > occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical analysis in > vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One would often has a > reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in one's own > horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such conclusions. Let us see > why.... > > Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is possible for > Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 - 2 times in > a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month. This means on > average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This shows in a gregorian > calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just imagine how many people born > in a month are supposed to be having this Mahapurush Yogas. > > Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to be " > Mahapurush " .....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary Charan Singh > & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be " YUGA PURUSH " > !!}. This is not limited to India, but every country....do NOT forget to > include China in your calculations....... > > So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the vanilla > interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the planet is placed > also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to neutralize or make > ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata Yoga. Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 > axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and is also vargottam or > debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga. > > Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill, hence, > one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If Mahapurush yogas > were to confer certain amount of " purity of thinking " as Mr. Amit Sinha in > his ignorance written it in his original mail, do not forget our great > Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also had purity of thinking but > politically mis-understood or incorrect thinking. Though western people > take every opportunity to paint in the darkest shades of black, but do not > forget that there were few political issues which were THRUSTED upon the > Germans subsequent to First World War, which has antognized many right > thinking & the most resurgent group in Europe - The Germans, which was also > the cause of Second World War, and to think of it,....nobody wants to > highlight the wrong decisions taken by France & other nations which led to > war events, because history is written by those people who won the war. > Remember Hitler was very very popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose > to such high military positions in such a short period of time. > > Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary devotion and > qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My sincere > intent & advice to all is to see things in proper perspective and do not > rush in to conclusions > > The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very basis > of this groups names " ancient_astrology " .....first understand what the > scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive some > innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here once > again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at the age of > 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the scriptures...by just > sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he has > revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he > relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him to > correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure experience > and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave their true > meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a couple of words [3-4 > words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon him...through the God's > grace....result - His great work on ashtakvarga. It was a treat and most > pleasurable moment of my life to sit alongside with such a great & humble > soul, touch his feet. If one would take time to read the bibliography he > has gone through before writing his books {totalling 5 nos}....it would > itself take One hour to read, the scriptures...I do not know how he could > find those scriptures...find time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly > it ....it was God's gift to him...... His stubborness to be original and > NOT to copy or plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology. > > Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from real > people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have respect > to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events were to indicate > anything...today I would never meant another astrologer...}.... Choose > IMMORTALS to mortals. > > It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the show of > skills between " Princes " ....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in archery. When > queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt archery.....Mr. Karna > proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who infact happened to be Guru to > Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his Guru Bhai } quickly understood, > Mr. Karna would easily score over Arjun.......rest is all everybody's > knowledge. > > This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt Astrology > as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + good bytes of > spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open mind. acceptable > maturity and originality in thinking.......in a nutshell...would NOT accept > any self styled Gurus. > > To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including statistics, > know the true scriptures first, than somebody's interpretations, know your > guru's properly...how accpeted they are ....Techniques of predictions are > the ones to be learned from knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's > example..he has shown techniques.....interpretations remain more or > less...people may differ...but core things remain same...}... > > Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much easy > for you to be accepted by others.....people respect straighway....No yogas > No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! { real meaning...}!!! > > with regards, > sreeram srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Thanks Sreeram, For such an explanation, but what I have read only BPHS and BPHS says very little about this, so I gave my understanding and my own experience. Its upto learned members like you to analyse and explain the proper thing so that I be guided in my learning process. I had that combination so I wrote as the discussion was going on. I would be thankful to you if you can explain why they haven’t fructified as written in BPHS that will increase the learning of all the members so that no one else will be interpret it wrong if a chart infront of them. My sincere thanks to you. Amit Sinha sreeram srinivas [sreeram64] Friday, August 31, 2007 10:58 PM ; Amit Sinha Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha Importance: High Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart from the simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once detailed the occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical analysis in vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One would often has a reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in one's own horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such conclusions. Let us see why.... Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is possible for Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 - 2 times in a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month. This means on average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This shows in a gregorian calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just imagine how many people born in a month are supposed to be having this Mahapurush Yogas. Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to be " Mahapurush " .....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary Charan Singh & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be " YUGA PURUSH " !!}. This is not limited to India, but every country....do NOT forget to include China in your calculations....... So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the vanilla interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the planet is placed also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to neutralize or make ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata Yoga. Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and is also vargottam or debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga. Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill, hence, one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If Mahapurush yogas were to confer certain amount of " purity of thinking " as Mr. Amit Sinha in his ignorance written it in his original mail, do not forget our great Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also had purity of thinking but politically mis-understood or incorrect thinking. Though western people take every opportunity to paint in the darkest shades of black, but do not forget that there were few political issues which were THRUSTED upon the Germans subsequent to First World War, which has antognized many right thinking & the most resurgent group in Europe - The Germans, which was also the cause of Second World War, and to think of it,....nobody wants to highlight the wrong decisions taken by France & other nations which led to war events, because history is written by those people who won the war. Remember Hitler was very very popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose to such high military positions in such a short period of time. Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary devotion and qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My sincere intent & advice to all is to see things in proper perspective and do not rush in to conclusions The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very basis of this groups names " ancient_astrology " .....first understand what the scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive some innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here once again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at the age of 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the scriptures...by just sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he has revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him to correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure experience and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave their true meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a couple of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on ashtakvarga. It was a treat and most pleasurable moment of my life to sit alongside with such a great & humble soul, touch his feet. If one would take time to read the bibliography he has gone through before writing his books {totalling 5 nos}....it would itself take One hour to read, the scriptures...I do not know how he could find those scriptures...find time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly it ....it was God's gift to him...... His stubborness to be original and NOT to copy or plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology. Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from real people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have respect to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events were to indicate anything...today I would never meant another astrologer...}.... Choose IMMORTALS to mortals. It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the show of skills between " Princes " ....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in archery. When queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt archery.....Mr. Karna proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who infact happened to be Guru to Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his Guru Bhai } quickly understood, Mr. Karna would easily score over Arjun.......rest is all everybody's knowledge. This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt Astrology as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + good bytes of spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open mind. acceptable maturity and originality in thinking.......in a nutshell...would NOT accept any self styled Gurus. To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including statistics, know the true scriptures first, than somebody's interpretations, know your guru's properly...how accpeted they are .....Techniques of predictions are the ones to be learned from knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's example..he has shown techniques.....interpretations remain more or less...people may differ...but core things remain same...}... Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much easy for you to be accepted by others.....people respect straighway....No yogas No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! { real meaning...}!!! with regards, sreeram srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Amit ji, Don't try to squeeze out a reading...It is well evident and visible in your mails.. Note: The intentions reflect in the words. Words are like mirrors! Love, Sreenadh , " Amit Sinha " <amit.sinha wrote: > > Thanks Sreeram, > > For such an explanation, but what I have read only BPHS and BPHS says > very little about this, so I gave my understanding and my own > experience. Its upto learned members like you to analyse and explain the > proper thing so that I be guided in my learning process. I had that > combination so I wrote as the discussion was going on. I would be > thankful to you if you can explain why they haven't fructified as > written in BPHS that will increase the learning of all the members so > that no one else will be interpret it wrong if a chart infront of them. > > > > My sincere thanks to you. > > > > Amit Sinha > > > > ________________________________ > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64] > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:58 PM > ; Amit Sinha > Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha > Importance: High > > > > Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart from > the simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once detailed the > occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical > analysis in vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One would > often has a reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in > one's own horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such > conclusions. Let us see why.... > > > > Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is possible > for Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 - 2 > times in a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month. > This means on average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This shows > in a gregorian calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just imagine > how many people born in a month are supposed to be having this > Mahapurush Yogas. > > > > Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to be " > Mahapurush " .....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary Charan > Singh & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be > " YUGA PURUSH " !!}. This is not limited to India, but every > country....do NOT forget to include China in your calculations....... > > > > So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the > vanilla interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the planet > is placed also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to > neutralize or make ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata Yoga. > Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and is > also vargottam or debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga. > > > > Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill, > hence, one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If > Mahapurush yogas were to confer certain amount of " purity of thinking " > as Mr. Amit Sinha in his ignorance written it in his original mail, do > not forget our great Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also had > purity of thinking but politically mis-understood or incorrect thinking. > Though western people take every opportunity to paint in the darkest > shades of black, but do not forget that there were few political issues > which were THRUSTED upon the Germans subsequent to First World War, > which has antognized many right thinking & the most resurgent group in > Europe - The Germans, which was also the cause of Second World War, and > to think of it,....nobody wants to highlight the wrong decisions taken > by France & other nations which led to war events, because history is > written by those people who won the war. Remember Hitler was very very > popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose to such high military > positions in such a short period of time. > > > > Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary devotion > and qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My > sincere intent & advice to all is to see things in proper perspective > and do not rush in to conclusions > > > > The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very > basis of this groups names " ancient_astrology " .....first understand what > the scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive some > innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here once > again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at the > age of 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the scriptures...by > just sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he has > revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he > relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him to > correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure > experience and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave > their true meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a couple > of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon > him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on ashtakvarga. > It was a treat and most pleasurable moment of my life to sit alongside > with such a great & humble soul, touch his feet. If one would take > time to read the bibliography he has gone through before writing his > books {totalling 5 nos}....it would itself take One hour to read, the > scriptures...I do not know how he could find those scriptures...find > time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly it ....it was God's gift > to him...... His stubborness to be original and NOT to copy or > plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology. > > > > Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from real > people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have > respect to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events were to > indicate anything...today I would never meant another astrologer...}.... > Choose IMMORTALS to mortals. > > > > It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the show of > skills between " Princes " ....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in archery. > When queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt > archery.....Mr. Karna proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who infact > happened to be Guru to Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his Guru > Bhai } quickly understood, Mr. Karna would easily score over > Arjun.......rest is all everybody's knowledge. > > > > This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt > Astrology as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + good > bytes of spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open > mind. acceptable maturity and originality in thinking.......in a > nutshell...would NOT accept any self styled Gurus. > > > > To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including > statistics, know the true scriptures first, than somebody's > interpretations, know your guru's properly...how accpeted they are > ....Techniques of predictions are the ones to be learned from > knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's example..he has shown > techniques.....interpretations remain more or less...people may > differ...but core things remain same...}... > > > > Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much > easy for you to be accepted by others.....people respect > straighway....No yogas No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! { > real meaning...}!!! > > > > with regards, > > sreeram srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Sir, I am sorry if you think so. But I have just pointed out on the mahapurusha yogas and I was asking for the discussion as said by Mr. Avesh. If that is an offence putting up one’s own chart I will give you details of a number of persons whom I know personally and they do have mahapurusha yogas. But now I think that I should first ask you whether I can provide chart details of a particular person. I have one of my friend who has got bhadra mahapurusha yoga… can I ask for a discussion on that or will that also be an offence to the group? With due regards, Amit Sinha On Behalf Of Sreenadh Monday, September 03, 2007 3:20 PM To: Subject: Re: Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha Dear Amit ji, Don't try to squeeze out a reading...It is well evident and visible in your mails.. Note: The intentions reflect in the words. Words are like mirrors! Love, Sreenadh , " Amit Sinha " <amit.sinha wrote: > > Thanks Sreeram, > > For such an explanation, but what I have read only BPHS and BPHS says > very little about this, so I gave my understanding and my own > experience. Its upto learned members like you to analyse and explain the > proper thing so that I be guided in my learning process. I had that > combination so I wrote as the discussion was going on. I would be > thankful to you if you can explain why they haven't fructified as > written in BPHS that will increase the learning of all the members so > that no one else will be interpret it wrong if a chart infront of them. > > > > My sincere thanks to you. > > > > Amit Sinha > > > > ________________________________ > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64] > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:58 PM > ; Amit Sinha > Kula_Daivam - Amit Sinha > Importance: High > > > > Reference : Mr. Amit Sinha's mail on Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > There is various views as what constitutes Mahapurusha Yoga apart from > the simplistic meanings which we all know. However, I once detailed the > occurrence of such yogas in horoscopes through broad statistical > analysis in vedic astrology forum of Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao. One would > often has a reason to get elated on knowing that such yogas occur in > one's own horoscope. But a word of caution in rushing to such > conclusions. Let us see why.... > > > > Moon takes 2.25 days to move from one house to other i.e. It is possible > for Moon to be in kendra & Trine with every other planet atleast 3 - 2 > times in a month. Conjunction with every planet once in a month. > This means on average 3+ 2 + 1 = 6 x 2.25 days = 13.5 days....This shows > in a gregorian calendar month, { Lunar month = 27 days}, just imagine > how many people born in a month are supposed to be having this > Mahapurush Yogas. > > > > Then at this rate India should be having half of its population to be " > Mahapurush " .....{think of our great ex-Prime Minister Chaudhary Charan > Singh & Dy. Prime Minister Chaudhary Devil Lal - both crowned to be > " YUGA PURUSH " !!}. This is not limited to India, but every > country....do NOT forget to include China in your calculations....... > > > > So, there are much intrinsic meanings in the astro_classics than the > vanilla interpretations. The nakshatra or navamsha in which the planet > is placed also counts, with certain planetary aspects seems to > neutralize or make ineffective of the yogas. Consider Shakata Yoga. > Moon & Jupiter in 6/8 axis. What if the Jupiter is Retrograde and is > also vargottam or debilitated - how would you interpret the yoga. > > > > Every successful person also had to go through the same treadmill, > hence, one should be careful in attributing it to the starts. If > Mahapurush yogas were to confer certain amount of " purity of thinking " > as Mr. Amit Sinha in his ignorance written it in his original mail, do > not forget our great Hitler had many mahapurush yogas.....he also had > purity of thinking but politically mis-understood or incorrect thinking. > Though western people take every opportunity to paint in the darkest > shades of black, but do not forget that there were few political issues > which were THRUSTED upon the Germans subsequent to First World War, > which has antognized many right thinking & the most resurgent group in > Europe - The Germans, which was also the cause of Second World War, and > to think of it,....nobody wants to highlight the wrong decisions taken > by France & other nations which led to war events, because history is > written by those people who won the war. Remember Hitler was very very > popular amongst Germans, that is why he rose to such high military > positions in such a short period of time. > > > > Similarly in our Ramayana, Lord Ravana had his own legendary devotion > and qualities to write about...but he is burnt in our Ramlilas. My > sincere intent & advice to all is to see things in proper perspective > and do not rush in to conclusions > > > > The point which Mr. Sreenadh often states in his emails and the very > basis of this groups names " ancient_astrology " .....first understand what > the scriptures had to say. {Do NOT create your own yogas or derive some > innovative conditional interpretations of it}. I would state here once > again, that Sri C. S. Patel who recently expired { 14-Aug-2007 at the > age of 96 years in Ahmedabad}, did NOT deviate from the scriptures...by > just sticking to the text and deciphering the hidden meaning, he has > revolutionized the astrology with his interpretaions, which he > relentlessly, kept on improving it. It took few decades for him to > correct his own interpretations & that of others...based on pure > experience and realization....he did NOT invent new yogas, but gave > their true meaning..... he told me...that while thinking over a couple > of words [3-4 words}....for few years, suddenly it dawned upon > him...through the God's grace....result - His great work on ashtakvarga. > It was a treat and most pleasurable moment of my life to sit alongside > with such a great & humble soul, touch his feet. If one would take > time to read the bibliography he has gone through before writing his > books {totalling 5 nos}....it would itself take One hour to read, the > scriptures...I do not know how he could find those scriptures...find > time, read, understand and assimilate.....truly it ....it was God's gift > to him...... His stubborness to be original and NOT to copy or > plaggarise...has set the high standards in astrology. > > > > Coming back to our original focus.....first learn astrology from real > people, who learnt it from their heart rather than mind.....{ I have > respect to all fellow astrologers...but recent scandalous events were to > indicate anything...today I would never meant another astrologer...}.... > Choose IMMORTALS to mortals. > > > > It is good to recall a story from Mahabarat, where in during the show of > skills between " Princes " ....Mr. Karna challenged Mr. Arjun in archery. > When queried by Guru Dronacharya from where he has learnt > archery.....Mr. Karna proudly says....Bhagawan Parushuram, who infact > happened to be Guru to Dronacharya also, { so, Mr. Karna was his Guru > Bhai } quickly understood, Mr. Karna would easily score over > Arjun.......rest is all everybody's knowledge. > > > > This group has many members { most of them are Technocrats learnt > Astrology as a hobby & consider it to be a great/super science + good > bytes of spiritual inclinations } and mini-stalwarts all with a open > mind. acceptable maturity and originality in thinking.......in a > nutshell...would NOT accept any self styled Gurus. > > > > To summarize, analyse things in proper perspective, including > statistics, know the true scriptures first, than somebody's > interpretations, know your guru's properly...how accpeted they are > ....Techniques of predictions are the ones to be learned from > knowledgeable people { refer Sri C.S. Patel's example..he has shown > techniques.....interpretations remain more or less...people may > differ...but core things remain same...}... > > > > Finally, to sum, Mahapursha Yogas...that many present.....that much > easy for you to be accepted by others.....people respect > straighway....No yogas No respect...or less acceptance....... !!! { > real meaning...}!!! > > > > with regards, > > sreeram srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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