Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Sreenadhji, Nice to read your comments on my mail. Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are Dasa independent yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give certain character traits which will predominate throughout the lifespan of the individual.That is why much importance is given to them in the Jyotish classics like BPHS,Saravali etc Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of Guru some of them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There are also some negatives to this yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of life is one. You rightly mentioned that unless the proper Dashas run in the chart the yogas will be of little use to the individual concerned Cheers, aavesh Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear aavesh ji,==>> My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > cheerful in their approach to life in general. They are truly > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life).> The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life.<== That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra enthusiasm). Leghu Parasari states -Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH[When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also take birth. What help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming]So there could be thousands of horoscopes with good Yogas, which may never realize. Also not that the results that should be ascribed to close relatives too may reflect in one's horoscope. To add to it - if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and Gochara does not support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak result) that may or may not come true. Astrology greatly values emphasized probability (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result will come true. Love,Sreenadh , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:>> Dear Amitji,> > Could you please post your birth details,it shall be interesting to study> your chart.> > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa Mahapurusha yoga> in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their approach to life> in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term (in all> aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the good things > of life.> > Looking forward to hearing from you> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha wrote:> I can just give you my experiences with the pancha mahapurush yogas.> I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. In my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka.> My experience with these till date are that they give person very high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using whatever means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser probability) or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at the root level of the problem not just on the superficial level.> But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of me that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a little they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to fight throughout his life for others and for himself.> But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say without thinking becomes true for others as well as for me.> > Thanks and regards,> Amit Sinha> > > > > > On Behalf Of Mr puran pant> Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM> > Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family Daity)> > > Dear atman> > Where can I get prasnamarga please.> > Also I was curious about getting detailed information> and significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All the> books I referred have very scanty information. Anyone> is welcome to contribute to knowledge.> > Regards - Puranchandra Pant.> > --- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal> wrote:> > > thankyouji> > now it is in my court that i have to read> > prasangamarga.> > I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in> > astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i> > am learining. > > thank you for the immediate reply.> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> > Dear Ramgopal ji,> > The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is> > identified using the > > 4th house and not 5th house.> > Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the> > subject is dealt > > in detail.> > In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and> > the 4th house lord > > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the> > nature of the sign (4th > > house) in which the planet is situated will> > determine the nature of the > > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate> > different Saiva deities; > > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava> > deities and so > > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity)> > from the planetary > > position related to 4th house is a big subject in> > itself, and so can't > > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th> > chapter of Prasnamarga, > > you will get a better and detailed picture of the> > same; that is the > > better solution. > > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > ,> > RAMAGOPAL TULASI > > VENKATA <tvramagopal@> wrote:> > >> > > dear sreenadhji,> > > namaskar> > > Entirely new subject not connected with the> > arguments that is on > > now.> > > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in> > Tamil)) by > > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?)> > > > > > tvramagopal@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal> > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Dear Aavesh ji, You are wrong. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are NOT dasa independent Yogas - they are DASA Dependant. Only Mala Yogas etc that fall with in Nabhasa Yoga division are Dasa independent - there is a defenite reason and logic for this. Search for it and you will get the gist of it. Except some Nabhasa Yogas and Sadyo Mrityu Yogas which are mentioned as Dasa independent, all other Yogas are dasa dependant. Know this as a fact, supported by all ancient scripts. If you have scriptural reference that says " Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are dasa independent " , I am curious to see the same. I agree with you about the fact that Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas usually indicate good results. Love, Sreenadh , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > Nice to read your comments on my mail. > > Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are Dasa independent yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give certain character traits which will predominate throughout the lifespan of the individual.That is why much > importance is given to them in the Jyotish classics like BPHS,Saravali etc > > Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of Guru some of them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There are also some negatives to this > yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of life is one. > > You rightly mentioned that unless the proper Dashas run in the chart the > yogas will be of little use to the individual concerned > > Cheers, > > aavesh > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear aavesh ji, > ==> > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > > cheerful in their approach to life in general. They are truly > > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life). > > The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life. > <== > That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra enthusiasm). > Leghu Parasari states - > Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha > Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH > [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also take birth. What > help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] > So there could be thousands of horoscopes with good Yogas, which > may never realize. Also not that the results that should be ascribed > to close relatives too may reflect in one's horoscope. To add to it - > if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and Gochara does not > support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak result) that may > or may not come true. Astrology greatly values emphasized probability > (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result will come true. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , aavesh t > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > Could you please post your birth details,it shall be interesting > to study > > your chart. > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > Mahapurusha yoga > > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their > approach to life > > in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term > (in all > > aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the good > things > > of life. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > I can just give you my experiences with the pancha > mahapurush yogas. > > I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. In > my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka. > > My experience with these till date are that they give person very > high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using whatever > means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser probability) > or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at the > root level of the problem not just on the superficial level. > > But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with > these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in > his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience > which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of me > that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a little > they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to fight > throughout his life for others and for himself. > > But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say without > thinking becomes true for others as well as for me. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Mr > puran pant > > Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM > > > > Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family > Daity) > > > > > > Dear atman > > > > Where can I get prasnamarga please. > > > > Also I was curious about getting detailed information > > and significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All the > > books I referred have very scanty information. Anyone > > is welcome to contribute to knowledge. > > > > Regards - Puranchandra Pant. > > > > --- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal@> > > wrote: > > > > > thankyouji > > > now it is in my court that i have to read > > > prasangamarga. > > > I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in > > > astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i > > > am learining. > > > thank you for the immediate reply. > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Dear Ramgopal ji, > > > The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is > > > identified using the > > > 4th house and not 5th house. > > > Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the > > > subject is dealt > > > in detail. > > > In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and > > > the 4th house lord > > > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the > > > nature of the sign (4th > > > house) in which the planet is situated will > > > determine the nature of the > > > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate > > > different Saiva deities; > > > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava > > > deities and so > > > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity) > > > from the planetary > > > position related to 4th house is a big subject in > > > itself, and so can't > > > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th > > > chapter of Prasnamarga, > > > you will get a better and detailed picture of the > > > same; that is the > > > better solution. > > > > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , > > > RAMAGOPAL TULASI > > > VENKATA <tvramagopal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear sreenadhji, > > > > namaskar > > > > Entirely new subject not connected with the > > > arguments that is on > > > now. > > > > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in > > > Tamil)) by > > > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?) > > > > > > > > tvramagopal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > > click away. > > > > ________ > > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For > Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > know how. > > > Did you know? 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Dear pant ji, Yes, As per texts except some Nabhasa Yogas and SadyoMrityu Yogas all other Yogas are Dasa Dependant. Love, Sreenadh , Mr puran pant <puranpant wrote: > > Dear Gurujan, friends and fellow students > > > Heartfelt thanks to for taking up the matter of Panch > Mahapurush Yogas and the subsequent interesting > discussion. > > After I observed the discussion I find from my > experience that they seem to be Dasha Dependent. > > Any more material or life experiences connected with > other Panchmahapurush Yogas will be appreciated. > > Regards - Puranchandra Pant. > > --- Amit Sinha <amit.sinha wrote: > > > With due respect, > > > > > > > > In one of the lectures of Pt. Sanjay Rath it has > > been told that > > Mahpurusha yogas are dasa dependent and I also > > particularly feel so as I > > have an experience of my Ruchaka yoga during Mars > > mahadasa. > > > > > > > > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha > > mahapurusha yoga to > > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord > > must aspect the lagna > > either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham > > drishti is the > > powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect > > the lagna. Note > > here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > > astrology that is the > > sign of the sun in the natal chart. > > > > > > > > One more thing he commented was that the planet > > giving pancha > > mahapurusha yoga must not be afflicted for pancha > > mahapurusha yoga to > > come into effect as a necessary condition, because > > almost 30% people in > > the world have one or the other pancha mahapurusha > > yoga if we consider > > the condition to be only that the planet be in > > quadrants in own sign, > > mool trikona, or exalted for Venus, Mars,Jupiter, > > Saturn and Mercury. > > > > > > > > Sreenadh ji, please comment on this. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > On > > Behalf Of Sreenadh > > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:40 AM > > > > Re: Pancha > > Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh ji, > > You are wrong. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are NOT > > dasa independent > > Yogas - they are DASA Dependant. > > Only Mala Yogas etc that fall with in Nabhasa Yoga > > division are > > Dasa independent - there is a defenite reason and > > logic for this. > > Search for it and you will get the gist of it. > > Except some Nabhasa Yogas and Sadyo Mrityu Yogas > > which are > > mentioned as Dasa independent, all other Yogas are > > dasa dependant. > > Know this as a fact, supported by all ancient > > scripts. If you have > > scriptural reference that says " Pancha Maha Purusha > > Yogas are dasa > > independent " , I am curious to see the same. > > I agree with you about the fact that Pancha Maha > > Purusha Yogas > > usually indicate good results. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > <%40> > > , aavesh t > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > Nice to read your comments on my mail. > > > > > > Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are > > Dasa independent > > yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give > > certain character > > traits which will predominate throughout the > > lifespan of the > > individual.That is why much > > > importance is given to them in the Jyotish > > classics like > > BPHS,Saravali etc > > > > > > Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of > > Guru some of > > them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There > > are also some > > negatives to this > > > yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of > > life is one. > > > > > > You rightly mentioned that unless the proper > > Dashas run in the > > chart the > > > yogas will be of little use to the individual > > concerned > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Dear aavesh ji, > > > ==> > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives > > with Hamsa > > > > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are > > quite optimistic & > > > > cheerful in their approach to life in general. > > They are truly > > > > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all > > aspects of life). > > > > The only danger being overindulgence in the good > > things of life. > > > <== > > > That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra > > enthusiasm). > > > Leghu Parasari states - > > > Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha > > > Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH > > > [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also > > take birth. What > > > help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] > > > So there could be thousands of horoscopes with > > good Yogas, which > > > may never realize. Also not that the results that > > should be > > ascribed > > > to close relatives too may reflect in one's > > horoscope. To add to > > it - > > > if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and > > Gochara does not > > > support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak > > result) that may > > > or may not come true. Astrology greatly values > > emphasized > > probability > > > (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result > > will come true. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > <%40> > > , aavesh t > > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > > > > > Could you please post your birth details,it > > shall be interesting > > > to study > > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives > > with Hamsa > > > Mahapurusha yoga > > > > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > > cheerful in their > > > approach to life > > > > in general.They are truly blessed in the real > > sense of the term > > > (in all > > > > aspects of life).The only danger being > > overindulgence in the good > > > things > > > > of life. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > > > I can just give you my experiences with the > > pancha > > > === message truncated === > > > > _________ > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Thanks Sreenadhji for your guidance, I am not asking for any prediction but can you discuss about the behaviour of Hamsa and Ruchaka yoga in my chart. DOB 8th may,1979 TOB 4:50 AM POB Lucknow,India On Behalf Of Sreenadh Friday, August 31, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas Dear pant ji, Yes, As per texts except some Nabhasa Yogas and SadyoMrityu Yogas all other Yogas are Dasa Dependant. Love, Sreenadh , Mr puran pant <puranpant wrote: > > Dear Gurujan, friends and fellow students > > > Heartfelt thanks to for taking up the matter of Panch > Mahapurush Yogas and the subsequent interesting > discussion. > > After I observed the discussion I find from my > experience that they seem to be Dasha Dependent. > > Any more material or life experiences connected with > other Panchmahapurush Yogas will be appreciated. > > Regards - Puranchandra Pant. > > --- Amit Sinha <amit.sinha wrote: > > > With due respect, > > > > > > > > In one of the lectures of Pt. Sanjay Rath it has > > been told that > > Mahpurusha yogas are dasa dependent and I also > > particularly feel so as I > > have an experience of my Ruchaka yoga during Mars > > mahadasa. > > > > > > > > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha > > mahapurusha yoga to > > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord > > must aspect the lagna > > either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham > > drishti is the > > powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect > > the lagna. Note > > here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > > astrology that is the > > sign of the sun in the natal chart. > > > > > > > > One more thing he commented was that the planet > > giving pancha > > mahapurusha yoga must not be afflicted for pancha > > mahapurusha yoga to > > come into effect as a necessary condition, because > > almost 30% people in > > the world have one or the other pancha mahapurusha > > yoga if we consider > > the condition to be only that the planet be in > > quadrants in own sign, > > mool trikona, or exalted for Venus, Mars,Jupiter, > > Saturn and Mercury. > > > > > > > > Sreenadh ji, please comment on this. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > On > > Behalf Of Sreenadh > > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:40 AM > > > > Re: Pancha > > Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh ji, > > You are wrong. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are NOT > > dasa independent > > Yogas - they are DASA Dependant. > > Only Mala Yogas etc that fall with in Nabhasa Yoga > > division are > > Dasa independent - there is a defenite reason and > > logic for this. > > Search for it and you will get the gist of it. > > Except some Nabhasa Yogas and Sadyo Mrityu Yogas > > which are > > mentioned as Dasa independent, all other Yogas are > > dasa dependant. > > Know this as a fact, supported by all ancient > > scripts. If you have > > scriptural reference that says " Pancha Maha Purusha > > Yogas are dasa > > independent " , I am curious to see the same. > > I agree with you about the fact that Pancha Maha > > Purusha Yogas > > usually indicate good results. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > <%40> > > , aavesh t > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > Nice to read your comments on my mail. > > > > > > Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are > > Dasa independent > > yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give > > certain character > > traits which will predominate throughout the > > lifespan of the > > individual.That is why much > > > importance is given to them in the Jyotish > > classics like > > BPHS,Saravali etc > > > > > > Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of > > Guru some of > > them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There > > are also some > > negatives to this > > > yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of > > life is one. > > > > > > You rightly mentioned that unless the proper > > Dashas run in the > > chart the > > > yogas will be of little use to the individual > > concerned > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Dear aavesh ji, > > > ==> > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives > > with Hamsa > > > > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are > > quite optimistic & > > > > cheerful in their approach to life in general. > > They are truly > > > > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all > > aspects of life). > > > > The only danger being overindulgence in the good > > things of life. > > > <== > > > That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra > > enthusiasm). > > > Leghu Parasari states - > > > Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha > > > Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH > > > [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also > > take birth. What > > > help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] > > > So there could be thousands of horoscopes with > > good Yogas, which > > > may never realize. Also not that the results that > > should be > > ascribed > > > to close relatives too may reflect in one's > > horoscope. To add to > > it - > > > if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and > > Gochara does not > > > support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak > > result) that may > > > or may not come true. Astrology greatly values > > emphasized > > probability > > > (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result > > will come true. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > <%40> > > , aavesh t > > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > > > > > Could you please post your birth details,it > > shall be interesting > > > to study > > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives > > with Hamsa > > > Mahapurusha yoga > > > > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > > cheerful in their > > > approach to life > > > > in general.They are truly blessed in the real > > sense of the term > > > (in all > > > > aspects of life).The only danger being > > overindulgence in the good > > > things > > > > of life. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > > > I can just give you my experiences with the > > pancha > > > === message truncated === > > > > ________ > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? 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