Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Amitji, Could you please post your birth details,it shall be interesting to study your chart. My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their approach to life in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life. Looking forward to hearing from you Regards, aavesh Amit Sinha <amit.sinha wrote: I can just give you my experiences with the pancha mahapurush yogas. I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. In my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka. My experience with these till date are that they give person very high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using whatever means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser probability) or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at the root level of the problem not just on the superficial level. But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of me that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a little they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to fight throughout his life for others and for himself. But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say without thinking becomes true for others as well as for me. Thanks and regards, Amit Sinha On Behalf Of Mr puran pantThursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family Daity) Dear atmanWhere can I get prasnamarga please.Also I was curious about getting detailed informationand significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All thebooks I referred have very scanty information. Anyoneis welcome to contribute to knowledge.Regards - Puranchandra Pant.--- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal (AT) (DOT) co.in>wrote:> thankyouji> now it is in my court that i have to read> prasangamarga.> I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in> astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i> am learining. > thank you for the immediate reply.> > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:> Dear Ramgopal ji,> The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is> identified using the > 4th house and not 5th house.> Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the> subject is dealt > in detail.> In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and> the 4th house lord > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the> nature of the sign (4th > house) in which the planet is situated will> determine the nature of the > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate> different Saiva deities; > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava> deities and so > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity)> from the planetary > position related to 4th house is a big subject in> itself, and so can't > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th> chapter of Prasnamarga, > you will get a better and detailed picture of the> same; that is the > better solution. > > Love,> Sreenadh> > ,> RAMAGOPAL TULASI > VENKATA <tvramagopal wrote:> >> > dear sreenadhji,> > namaskar> > Entirely new subject not connected with the> arguments that is on > now.> > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in> Tamil)) by > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?)> > > > tvramagopal > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal> > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a> click away.________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 You are correct in the sense that they enjoy even what is considered as pain by others. On Behalf Of aavesh t Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:54 PM Subject: Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas Dear Amitji, Could you please post your birth details,it shall be interesting to study your chart. My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their approach to life in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life. Looking forward to hearing from you Regards, aavesh Amit Sinha <amit.sinha (AT) pinelabs (DOT) com> wrote: I can just give you my experiences with the pancha mahapurush yogas. I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. In my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka. My experience with these till date are that they give person very high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using whatever means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser probability) or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at the root level of the problem not just on the superficial level. But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of me that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a little they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to fight throughout his life for others and for himself. But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say without thinking becomes true for others as well as for me. Thanks and regards, Amit Sinha On Behalf Of Mr puran pant Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family Daity) Dear atman Where can I get prasnamarga please. Also I was curious about getting detailed information and significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All the books I referred have very scanty information. Anyone is welcome to contribute to knowledge. Regards - Puranchandra Pant. --- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > thankyouji > now it is in my court that i have to read > prasangamarga. > I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in > astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i > am learining. > thank you for the immediate reply. > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > Dear Ramgopal ji, > The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is > identified using the > 4th house and not 5th house. > Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the > subject is dealt > in detail. > In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and > the 4th house lord > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the > nature of the sign (4th > house) in which the planet is situated will > determine the nature of the > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate > different Saiva deities; > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava > deities and so > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity) > from the planetary > position related to 4th house is a big subject in > itself, and so can't > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th > chapter of Prasnamarga, > you will get a better and detailed picture of the > same; that is the > better solution. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > , > RAMAGOPAL TULASI > VENKATA <tvramagopal wrote: > > > > dear sreenadhji, > > namaskar > > Entirely new subject not connected with the > arguments that is on > now. > > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in > Tamil)) by > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?) > > > > tvramagopal > > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > click away. ________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear aavesh ji, ==> > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > cheerful in their approach to life in general. They are truly > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life). > The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life. <== That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra enthusiasm). Leghu Parasari states - Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also take birth. What help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] So there could be thousands of horoscopes with good Yogas, which may never realize. Also not that the results that should be ascribed to close relatives too may reflect in one's horoscope. To add to it - if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and Gochara does not support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak result) that may or may not come true. Astrology greatly values emphasized probability (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result will come true. Love, Sreenadh , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Amitji, > > Could you please post your birth details,it shall be interesting to study > your chart. > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa Mahapurusha yoga > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their approach to life > in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term (in all > aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the good things > of life. > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha wrote: > I can just give you my experiences with the pancha mahapurush yogas. > I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. In my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka. > My experience with these till date are that they give person very high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using whatever means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser probability) or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at the root level of the problem not just on the superficial level. > But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of me that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a little they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to fight throughout his life for others and for himself. > But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say without thinking becomes true for others as well as for me. > > Thanks and regards, > Amit Sinha > > > > > > On Behalf Of Mr puran pant > Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM > > Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family Daity) > > > Dear atman > > Where can I get prasnamarga please. > > Also I was curious about getting detailed information > and significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All the > books I referred have very scanty information. Anyone > is welcome to contribute to knowledge. > > Regards - Puranchandra Pant. > > --- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal > wrote: > > > thankyouji > > now it is in my court that i have to read > > prasangamarga. > > I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in > > astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i > > am learining. > > thank you for the immediate reply. > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Ramgopal ji, > > The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is > > identified using the > > 4th house and not 5th house. > > Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the > > subject is dealt > > in detail. > > In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and > > the 4th house lord > > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the > > nature of the sign (4th > > house) in which the planet is situated will > > determine the nature of the > > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate > > different Saiva deities; > > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava > > deities and so > > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity) > > from the planetary > > position related to 4th house is a big subject in > > itself, and so can't > > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th > > chapter of Prasnamarga, > > you will get a better and detailed picture of the > > same; that is the > > better solution. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , > > RAMAGOPAL TULASI > > VENKATA <tvramagopal@> wrote: > > > > > > dear sreenadhji, > > > namaskar > > > Entirely new subject not connected with the > > arguments that is on > > now. > > > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in > > Tamil)) by > > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?) > > > > > > tvramagopal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away. > > ________ > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 With due respect, In one of the lectures of Pt. Sanjay Rath it has been told that Mahpurusha yogas are dasa dependent and I also particularly feel so as I have an experience of my Ruchaka yoga during Mars mahadasa. One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to come into full effect, one’s moon nakshatra lord must aspect the lagna either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti is the powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the lagna. Note here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic astrology that is the sign of the sun in the natal chart. One more thing he commented was that the planet giving pancha mahapurusha yoga must not be afflicted for pancha mahapurusha yoga to come into effect as a necessary condition, because almost 30% people in the world have one or the other pancha mahapurusha yoga if we consider the condition to be only that the planet be in quadrants in own sign, mool trikona, or exalted for Venus, Mars,Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury. Sreenadh ji, please comment on this. On Behalf Of Sreenadh Friday, August 31, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas Dear Aavesh ji, You are wrong. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are NOT dasa independent Yogas - they are DASA Dependant. Only Mala Yogas etc that fall with in Nabhasa Yoga division are Dasa independent - there is a defenite reason and logic for this. Search for it and you will get the gist of it. Except some Nabhasa Yogas and Sadyo Mrityu Yogas which are mentioned as Dasa independent, all other Yogas are dasa dependant. Know this as a fact, supported by all ancient scripts. If you have scriptural reference that says " Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are dasa independent " , I am curious to see the same. I agree with you about the fact that Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas usually indicate good results. Love, Sreenadh , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > Nice to read your comments on my mail. > > Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are Dasa independent yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give certain character traits which will predominate throughout the lifespan of the individual.That is why much > importance is given to them in the Jyotish classics like BPHS,Saravali etc > > Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of Guru some of them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There are also some negatives to this > yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of life is one. > > You rightly mentioned that unless the proper Dashas run in the chart the > yogas will be of little use to the individual concerned > > Cheers, > > aavesh > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear aavesh ji, > ==> > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > > cheerful in their approach to life in general. They are truly > > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life). > > The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life. > <== > That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra enthusiasm). > Leghu Parasari states - > Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha > Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH > [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also take birth. What > help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] > So there could be thousands of horoscopes with good Yogas, which > may never realize. Also not that the results that should be ascribed > to close relatives too may reflect in one's horoscope. To add to it - > if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and Gochara does not > support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak result) that may > or may not come true. Astrology greatly values emphasized probability > (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result will come true. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , aavesh t > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > Could you please post your birth details,it shall be interesting > to study > > your chart. > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > Mahapurusha yoga > > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their > approach to life > > in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term > (in all > > aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the good > things > > of life. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > I can just give you my experiences with the pancha > mahapurush yogas. > > I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. In > my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka. > > My experience with these till date are that they give person very > high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using whatever > means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser probability) > or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at the > root level of the problem not just on the superficial level. > > But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with > these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in > his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience > which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of me > that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a little > they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to fight > throughout his life for others and for himself. > > But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say without > thinking becomes true for others as well as for me. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Mr > puran pant > > Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM > > > > Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family > Daity) > > > > > > Dear atman > > > > Where can I get prasnamarga please. > > > > Also I was curious about getting detailed information > > and significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All the > > books I referred have very scanty information. Anyone > > is welcome to contribute to knowledge. > > > > Regards - Puranchandra Pant. > > > > --- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal@> > > wrote: > > > > > thankyouji > > > now it is in my court that i have to read > > > prasangamarga. > > > I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in > > > astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i > > > am learining. > > > thank you for the immediate reply. > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Dear Ramgopal ji, > > > The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is > > > identified using the > > > 4th house and not 5th house. > > > Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the > > > subject is dealt > > > in detail. > > > In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and > > > the 4th house lord > > > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the > > > nature of the sign (4th > > > house) in which the planet is situated will > > > determine the nature of the > > > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate > > > different Saiva deities; > > > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava > > > deities and so > > > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity) > > > from the planetary > > > position related to 4th house is a big subject in > > > itself, and so can't > > > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th > > > chapter of Prasnamarga, > > > you will get a better and detailed picture of the > > > same; that is the > > > better solution. > > > > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , > > > RAMAGOPAL TULASI > > > VENKATA <tvramagopal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear sreenadhji, > > > > namaskar > > > > Entirely new subject not connected with the > > > arguments that is on > > > now. > > > > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in > > > Tamil)) by > > > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?) > > > > > > > > tvramagopal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > > click away. > > > > ________ > > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For > Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Dear Amit, With due respect, Pandit Sanjay Rath is not an authentic reference or authority on the subject; if any ancient scriptural reference is available on the same that only would be valued. This is a group that discusses ancient Indian astrology and that is why the emphasis on " ancient scriptures " and words of Sages. Rath is no sage but a common man with a good imagination, who makes new claims and inventions. Actually he should NEVER be taken as a reference - it is a possible pitfall. You quote Raths words about Pancha Maha purusha yoga as: ==> > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the > lagna either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti > is the powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the > lagna. Note here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > astrology that is the sign of the sun in the natal chart. <== Those words as stated above is nothing but a pitfall and causes a damaging effect. Let us look in to it and understand, why? Point -1 -------- ==> > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the > lagna either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti > is the powerful one. <== There is no such scriptual advice. More over he is mixing Rasi Drishti (Part of Jaimini system) with the traditional concept of Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga; Not done even in BPHS! Then his new invention of finding whether Rasi drishi or graha drishi is strong, and that of combining all this up with the Nakshatra lorship of Moon and so on. Just stupid imagination with out much base! That might be his imagination or experience; but not the traditional path; but a clear pitfall that the students of ancient system should avoid. ==> > Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the > lagna. Note here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > astrology that is the sign of the sun in the natal chart. <== As Kaul rightly states there is not much Nirayana Astrology in Vedas; least to say about the mention of Sun Signs in Vedas! If he just mean Nirayana Astrology by the words Vedic astrology (Again a pit fall and mis-direction!), the too by the words " Sun sign ascpecting Laga " , he is pointing " Rasi Drishti " a subject discussed in no ancient scriptures (like Skanda hora, Vasishta hora, Kausika Hora, Garga hora etc - of Nirayana Astrology) except in the alternate path mentioned in Jaimini sutra and BPHS. (He is mixing the paths and correpting things!). But Alas! Even Jaimini sutra or BPHS necessitates or comments about " Sun sign ascpecting Laga " for the fructification of Pancha Maha purusha Yogas! Thus he is just making postulations out of his poor man - acting out the modern sage! It is nothing but just clear stupid ness and false ego! If you are a true student of ancient Indian astrology, learn to avoid such pitfalls that may look so real in the outset. I don't find it valuble, wasting my time on some imaginative (but stupid, ignorant, egotic) statements of some Raths or wheels. Please refer to the ORIGINALS and not to these imitations. One of the first rule is astrology is this itself - " Provide the reference from the originals, the ancient scripts " ; You can refer to the statement of Skanda, Vasishta, jaimini, BPHS, or Saravali; but not to the statement of some local astrologer who blabbers something out of his imagination. Rath has value as a local astrologer and not as a sage (Rishi). If he is trying to act out of ignorance and ego the role of 'modern sage'; then we can only feel companionate for him; he is not even a sincere researcher, or seeker of knowledge; but only a corrupting influence to the ancient knowledge. But of course he is a good organizer and was big success in popularizing and marketting astrology packed in the wrong name 'Vedic astrology', successfully. He is a very good businessman, organizers. He seems to be a morally degraded person due of his many acts. He is a person who knows well how to mould and make up the texts write-ups to suit his purpose. He should be valued for his these special abilities; and definitely I value him as a successful organizer, and businessman, and as a local astrologer; but definitely not as a role model or scholar who can be valued. Hope that - * You will understand this approach difference * You will understand why Rath can never be a reference in such arguments, in place of scriptural references. * Why the same itself indicate a pitfall. Rath would be known to posterity, as the astrology teacher of PVR (the creator of JHora), than an some one who done something on astrology (there is not much to be valued). He might be remembered as the creator of SJC, but never for his scholarship and research (because he is never sincere). Rath would never be counted among sages but among local astrologers only who lived for some time and then got forgotten. You may not grasp this point right now, but many others may. He is not a Himalaya but a simple mud heap at the plane - as far as contributions to ancient astrology are concerned. But definitely he he made up a wax castle of using all those 1000 dasas and divisional charts - with predictive reference out of imagination; and still sticking all them on the forehead of Vedas! It is nothing but clever business trick and cheating! Yes, he is really good at it! So the end not is : Please quotes authentic references from scriptures in such discussion and not some irrelevant Raths. It is also so because, Rath may be guru to some in this group, but not to others; and so cannot be a commonly accepted reference. For example to me Rath is nothing but a mere average astrologer whose words can't be accepted in face value because he is not sincere; the same could be the opinion of many others. But many who are his students or supporters may vigorously oppose this. Why to fall into all these controversies? The relevant point here is, Rath's words is an irrelevant reference as far as a discussion on Pancha Maha purausha Yoga is concerned and can not be valued. For us and for who lived before and after us the common reference on Nirayana astrology is much valued ancient texts like - Rishi Horas, Brihajjataka, Saravali, Krishneeya, Prasnamarga etc. Quote from them - if any reference on the same is available on them - Rath does not depend on quotes and make-up things for his purpose; and so he can not be believed and his words can never become reference. See to the fact that scholers like Bhattolpala, Balabhadra (author of Hora Ratna) etc can be a reference because they never say a thing with out a proper authentic reference on such subjects; they were sincere; but that is not the case with modern day astrologers (professional astrologers who use astrology for a living; it is their daily bread and livelihood), especially those who are not sincere at all; and is business minded, and greedy. Note: Sorry, if Rath is your guru; but you made me speak out, by refering to the words of Rath as a reference; which it can never be. Love, Sreenadh , " Amit Sinha " <amit.sinha wrote: > > With due respect, > > > > In one of the lectures of Pt. Sanjay Rath it has been told that > Mahpurusha yogas are dasa dependent and I also particularly feel so as I > have an experience of my Ruchaka yoga during Mars mahadasa. > > > > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the lagna > either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti is the > powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the lagna. Note > here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic astrology that is the > sign of the sun in the natal chart. > > > > One more thing he commented was that the planet giving pancha > mahapurusha yoga must not be afflicted for pancha mahapurusha yoga to > come into effect as a necessary condition, because almost 30% people in > the world have one or the other pancha mahapurusha yoga if we consider > the condition to be only that the planet be in quadrants in own sign, > mool trikona, or exalted for Venus, Mars,Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury. > > > > Sreenadh ji, please comment on this. > > > > ________________________________ > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:40 AM > > Re: Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > Dear Aavesh ji, > You are wrong. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are NOT dasa independent > Yogas - they are DASA Dependant. > Only Mala Yogas etc that fall with in Nabhasa Yoga division are > Dasa independent - there is a defenite reason and logic for this. > Search for it and you will get the gist of it. > Except some Nabhasa Yogas and Sadyo Mrityu Yogas which are > mentioned as Dasa independent, all other Yogas are dasa dependant. > Know this as a fact, supported by all ancient scripts. If you have > scriptural reference that says " Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are dasa > independent " , I am curious to see the same. > I agree with you about the fact that Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas > usually indicate good results. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > <%40> , aavesh t > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Nice to read your comments on my mail. > > > > Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are Dasa independent > yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give certain character > traits which will predominate throughout the lifespan of the > individual.That is why much > > importance is given to them in the Jyotish classics like > BPHS,Saravali etc > > > > Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of Guru some of > them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There are also some > negatives to this > > yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of life is one. > > > > You rightly mentioned that unless the proper Dashas run in the > chart the > > yogas will be of little use to the individual concerned > > > > Cheers, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear aavesh ji, > > ==> > > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > > > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > > > cheerful in their approach to life in general. They are truly > > > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life). > > > The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life. > > <== > > That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra enthusiasm). > > Leghu Parasari states - > > Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha > > Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH > > [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also take birth. What > > help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] > > So there could be thousands of horoscopes with good Yogas, which > > may never realize. Also not that the results that should be > ascribed > > to close relatives too may reflect in one's horoscope. To add to > it - > > if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and Gochara does not > > support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak result) that may > > or may not come true. Astrology greatly values emphasized > probability > > (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result will come true. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > <%40> , aavesh t > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > > > Could you please post your birth details,it shall be interesting > > to study > > > your chart. > > > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > > Mahapurusha yoga > > > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their > > approach to life > > > in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term > > (in all > > > aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the good > > things > > > of life. > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > > I can just give you my experiences with the pancha > > mahapurush yogas. > > > I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. In > > my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka. > > > My experience with these till date are that they give person very > > high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using whatever > > means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser > probability) > > or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at the > > root level of the problem not just on the superficial level. > > > But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with > > these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in > > his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience > > which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of > me > > that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a little > > they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to fight > > throughout his life for others and for himself. > > > But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say without > > thinking becomes true for others as well as for me. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > [ > <%40> ] On Behalf Of Mr > > puran pant > > > Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM > > > > <%40> > > > Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family > > Daity) > > > > > > > > > Dear atman > > > > > > Where can I get prasnamarga please. > > > > > > Also I was curious about getting detailed information > > > and significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All the > > > books I referred have very scanty information. Anyone > > > is welcome to contribute to knowledge. > > > > > > Regards - Puranchandra Pant. > > > > > > --- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > thankyouji > > > > now it is in my court that i have to read > > > > prasangamarga. > > > > I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in > > > > astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i > > > > am learining. > > > > thank you for the immediate reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramgopal ji, > > > > The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is > > > > identified using the > > > > 4th house and not 5th house. > > > > Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the > > > > subject is dealt > > > > in detail. > > > > In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and > > > > the 4th house lord > > > > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the > > > > nature of the sign (4th > > > > house) in which the planet is situated will > > > > determine the nature of the > > > > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate > > > > different Saiva deities; > > > > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava > > > > deities and so > > > > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity) > > > > from the planetary > > > > position related to 4th house is a big subject in > > > > itself, and so can't > > > > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th > > > > chapter of Prasnamarga, > > > > you will get a better and detailed picture of the > > > > same; that is the > > > > better solution. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > <%40> , > > > > RAMAGOPAL TULASI > > > > VENKATA <tvramagopal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear sreenadhji, > > > > > namaskar > > > > > Entirely new subject not connected with the > > > > arguments that is on > > > > now. > > > > > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in > > > > Tamil)) by > > > > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?) > > > > > > > > > > tvramagopal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Dear Gurujan, friends and fellow students Heartfelt thanks to for taking up the matter of Panch Mahapurush Yogas and the subsequent interesting discussion. After I observed the discussion I find from my experience that they seem to be Dasha Dependent. Any more material or life experiences connected with other Panchmahapurush Yogas will be appreciated. Regards - Puranchandra Pant. --- Amit Sinha <amit.sinha wrote: > With due respect, > > > > In one of the lectures of Pt. Sanjay Rath it has > been told that > Mahpurusha yogas are dasa dependent and I also > particularly feel so as I > have an experience of my Ruchaka yoga during Mars > mahadasa. > > > > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha > mahapurusha yoga to > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord > must aspect the lagna > either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham > drishti is the > powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect > the lagna. Note > here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > astrology that is the > sign of the sun in the natal chart. > > > > One more thing he commented was that the planet > giving pancha > mahapurusha yoga must not be afflicted for pancha > mahapurusha yoga to > come into effect as a necessary condition, because > almost 30% people in > the world have one or the other pancha mahapurusha > yoga if we consider > the condition to be only that the planet be in > quadrants in own sign, > mool trikona, or exalted for Venus, Mars,Jupiter, > Saturn and Mercury. > > > > Sreenadh ji, please comment on this. > > > > ________________________________ > > > On > Behalf Of Sreenadh > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:40 AM > > Re: Pancha > Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > Dear Aavesh ji, > You are wrong. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are NOT > dasa independent > Yogas - they are DASA Dependant. > Only Mala Yogas etc that fall with in Nabhasa Yoga > division are > Dasa independent - there is a defenite reason and > logic for this. > Search for it and you will get the gist of it. > Except some Nabhasa Yogas and Sadyo Mrityu Yogas > which are > mentioned as Dasa independent, all other Yogas are > dasa dependant. > Know this as a fact, supported by all ancient > scripts. If you have > scriptural reference that says " Pancha Maha Purusha > Yogas are dasa > independent " , I am curious to see the same. > I agree with you about the fact that Pancha Maha > Purusha Yogas > usually indicate good results. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > <%40> > , aavesh t > <aavesh_s wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Nice to read your comments on my mail. > > > > Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are > Dasa independent > yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give > certain character > traits which will predominate throughout the > lifespan of the > individual.That is why much > > importance is given to them in the Jyotish > classics like > BPHS,Saravali etc > > > > Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of > Guru some of > them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There > are also some > negatives to this > > yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of > life is one. > > > > You rightly mentioned that unless the proper > Dashas run in the > chart the > > yogas will be of little use to the individual > concerned > > > > Cheers, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear aavesh ji, > > ==> > > > My personal experience in the case of natives > with Hamsa > > > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are > quite optimistic & > > > cheerful in their approach to life in general. > They are truly > > > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all > aspects of life). > > > The only danger being overindulgence in the good > things of life. > > <== > > That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra > enthusiasm). > > Leghu Parasari states - > > Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha > > Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH > > [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also > take birth. What > > help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] > > So there could be thousands of horoscopes with > good Yogas, which > > may never realize. Also not that the results that > should be > ascribed > > to close relatives too may reflect in one's > horoscope. To add to > it - > > if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and > Gochara does not > > support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak > result) that may > > or may not come true. Astrology greatly values > emphasized > probability > > (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result > will come true. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > <%40> > , aavesh t > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > > > Could you please post your birth details,it > shall be interesting > > to study > > > your chart. > > > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives > with Hamsa > > Mahapurusha yoga > > > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > cheerful in their > > approach to life > > > in general.They are truly blessed in the real > sense of the term > > (in all > > > aspects of life).The only danger being > overindulgence in the good > > things > > > of life. > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > > I can just give you my experiences with the > pancha > === message truncated === _________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Sir I am in the learning process so whatever material I get I try to grasp it. As there is no way to prove in astrology whether a particular scripture is truth or it has been written to satisfy one’s ego On Behalf Of Sreenadh Friday, August 31, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas Dear Amit, With due respect, Pandit Sanjay Rath is not an authentic reference or authority on the subject; if any ancient scriptural reference is available on the same that only would be valued. This is a group that discusses ancient Indian astrology and that is why the emphasis on " ancient scriptures " and words of Sages. Rath is no sage but a common man with a good imagination, who makes new claims and inventions. Actually he should NEVER be taken as a reference - it is a possible pitfall. You quote Raths words about Pancha Maha purusha yoga as: ==> > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the > lagna either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti > is the powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the > lagna. Note here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > astrology that is the sign of the sun in the natal chart. <== Those words as stated above is nothing but a pitfall and causes a damaging effect. Let us look in to it and understand, why? Point -1 -------- ==> > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the > lagna either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti > is the powerful one. <== There is no such scriptual advice. More over he is mixing Rasi Drishti (Part of Jaimini system) with the traditional concept of Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga; Not done even in BPHS! Then his new invention of finding whether Rasi drishi or graha drishi is strong, and that of combining all this up with the Nakshatra lorship of Moon and so on. Just stupid imagination with out much base! That might be his imagination or experience; but not the traditional path; but a clear pitfall that the students of ancient system should avoid. ==> > Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the > lagna. Note here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > astrology that is the sign of the sun in the natal chart. <== As Kaul rightly states there is not much Nirayana Astrology in Vedas; least to say about the mention of Sun Signs in Vedas! If he just mean Nirayana Astrology by the words Vedic astrology (Again a pit fall and mis-direction!), the too by the words " Sun sign ascpecting Laga " , he is pointing " Rasi Drishti " a subject discussed in no ancient scriptures (like Skanda hora, Vasishta hora, Kausika Hora, Garga hora etc - of Nirayana Astrology) except in the alternate path mentioned in Jaimini sutra and BPHS. (He is mixing the paths and correpting things!). But Alas! Even Jaimini sutra or BPHS necessitates or comments about " Sun sign ascpecting Laga " for the fructification of Pancha Maha purusha Yogas! Thus he is just making postulations out of his poor man - acting out the modern sage! It is nothing but just clear stupid ness and false ego! If you are a true student of ancient Indian astrology, learn to avoid such pitfalls that may look so real in the outset. I don't find it valuble, wasting my time on some imaginative (but stupid, ignorant, egotic) statements of some Raths or wheels. Please refer to the ORIGINALS and not to these imitations. One of the first rule is astrology is this itself - " Provide the reference from the originals, the ancient scripts " ; You can refer to the statement of Skanda, Vasishta, jaimini, BPHS, or Saravali; but not to the statement of some local astrologer who blabbers something out of his imagination. Rath has value as a local astrologer and not as a sage (Rishi). If he is trying to act out of ignorance and ego the role of 'modern sage'; then we can only feel companionate for him; he is not even a sincere researcher, or seeker of knowledge; but only a corrupting influence to the ancient knowledge. But of course he is a good organizer and was big success in popularizing and marketting astrology packed in the wrong name 'Vedic astrology', successfully. He is a very good businessman, organizers. He seems to be a morally degraded person due of his many acts. He is a person who knows well how to mould and make up the texts write-ups to suit his purpose. He should be valued for his these special abilities; and definitely I value him as a successful organizer, and businessman, and as a local astrologer; but definitely not as a role model or scholar who can be valued. Hope that - * You will understand this approach difference * You will understand why Rath can never be a reference in such arguments, in place of scriptural references. * Why the same itself indicate a pitfall. Rath would be known to posterity, as the astrology teacher of PVR (the creator of JHora), than an some one who done something on astrology (there is not much to be valued). He might be remembered as the creator of SJC, but never for his scholarship and research (because he is never sincere). Rath would never be counted among sages but among local astrologers only who lived for some time and then got forgotten. You may not grasp this point right now, but many others may. He is not a Himalaya but a simple mud heap at the plane - as far as contributions to ancient astrology are concerned. But definitely he he made up a wax castle of using all those 1000 dasas and divisional charts - with predictive reference out of imagination; and still sticking all them on the forehead of Vedas! It is nothing but clever business trick and cheating! Yes, he is really good at it! So the end not is : Please quotes authentic references from scriptures in such discussion and not some irrelevant Raths. It is also so because, Rath may be guru to some in this group, but not to others; and so cannot be a commonly accepted reference. For example to me Rath is nothing but a mere average astrologer whose words can't be accepted in face value because he is not sincere; the same could be the opinion of many others. But many who are his students or supporters may vigorously oppose this. Why to fall into all these controversies? The relevant point here is, Rath's words is an irrelevant reference as far as a discussion on Pancha Maha purausha Yoga is concerned and can not be valued. For us and for who lived before and after us the common reference on Nirayana astrology is much valued ancient texts like - Rishi Horas, Brihajjataka, Saravali, Krishneeya, Prasnamarga etc. Quote from them - if any reference on the same is available on them - Rath does not depend on quotes and make-up things for his purpose; and so he can not be believed and his words can never become reference. See to the fact that scholers like Bhattolpala, Balabhadra (author of Hora Ratna) etc can be a reference because they never say a thing with out a proper authentic reference on such subjects; they were sincere; but that is not the case with modern day astrologers (professional astrologers who use astrology for a living; it is their daily bread and livelihood), especially those who are not sincere at all; and is business minded, and greedy. Note: Sorry, if Rath is your guru; but you made me speak out, by refering to the words of Rath as a reference; which it can never be. Love, Sreenadh , " Amit Sinha " <amit.sinha wrote: > > With due respect, > > > > In one of the lectures of Pt. Sanjay Rath it has been told that > Mahpurusha yogas are dasa dependent and I also particularly feel so as I > have an experience of my Ruchaka yoga during Mars mahadasa. > > > > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the lagna > either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti is the > powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the lagna. Note > here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic astrology that is the > sign of the sun in the natal chart. > > > > One more thing he commented was that the planet giving pancha > mahapurusha yoga must not be afflicted for pancha mahapurusha yoga to > come into effect as a necessary condition, because almost 30% people in > the world have one or the other pancha mahapurusha yoga if we consider > the condition to be only that the planet be in quadrants in own sign, > mool trikona, or exalted for Venus, Mars,Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury. > > > > Sreenadh ji, please comment on this. > > > > ________________________________ > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:40 AM > > Re: Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > Dear Aavesh ji, > You are wrong. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are NOT dasa independent > Yogas - they are DASA Dependant. > Only Mala Yogas etc that fall with in Nabhasa Yoga division are > Dasa independent - there is a defenite reason and logic for this. > Search for it and you will get the gist of it. > Except some Nabhasa Yogas and Sadyo Mrityu Yogas which are > mentioned as Dasa independent, all other Yogas are dasa dependant. > Know this as a fact, supported by all ancient scripts. If you have > scriptural reference that says " Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are dasa > independent " , I am curious to see the same. > I agree with you about the fact that Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas > usually indicate good results. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > <%40> , aavesh t > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Nice to read your comments on my mail. > > > > Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are Dasa independent > yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give certain character > traits which will predominate throughout the lifespan of the > individual.That is why much > > importance is given to them in the Jyotish classics like > BPHS,Saravali etc > > > > Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of Guru some of > them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There are also some > negatives to this > > yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of life is one. > > > > You rightly mentioned that unless the proper Dashas run in the > chart the > > yogas will be of little use to the individual concerned > > > > Cheers, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear aavesh ji, > > ==> > > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > > > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > > > cheerful in their approach to life in general. They are truly > > > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life). > > > The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life. > > <== > > That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra enthusiasm). > > Leghu Parasari states - > > Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha > > Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH > > [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also take birth. What > > help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] > > So there could be thousands of horoscopes with good Yogas, which > > may never realize. Also not that the results that should be > ascribed > > to close relatives too may reflect in one's horoscope. To add to > it - > > if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and Gochara does not > > support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak result) that may > > or may not come true. Astrology greatly values emphasized > probability > > (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result will come true. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > <%40> , aavesh t > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > > > Could you please post your birth details,it shall be interesting > > to study > > > your chart. > > > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > > Mahapurusha yoga > > > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their > > approach to life > > > in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term > > (in all > > > aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the good > > things > > > of life. > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > > I can just give you my experiences with the pancha > > mahapurush yogas. > > > I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. In > > my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka. > > > My experience with these till date are that they give person very > > high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using whatever > > means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser > probability) > > or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at the > > root level of the problem not just on the superficial level. > > > But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with > > these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in > > his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience > > which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of > me > > that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a little > > they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to fight > > throughout his life for others and for himself. > > > But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say without > > thinking becomes true for others as well as for me. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > [ > <%40> ] On Behalf Of Mr > > puran pant > > > Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM > > > > <%40> > > > Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family > > Daity) > > > > > > > > > Dear atman > > > > > > Where can I get prasnamarga please. > > > > > > Also I was curious about getting detailed information > > > and significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All the > > > books I referred have very scanty information. Anyone > > > is welcome to contribute to knowledge. > > > > > > Regards - Puranchandra Pant. > > > > > > --- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > thankyouji > > > > now it is in my court that i have to read > > > > prasangamarga. > > > > I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in > > > > astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i > > > > am learining. > > > > thank you for the immediate reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramgopal ji, > > > > The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is > > > > identified using the > > > > 4th house and not 5th house. > > > > Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the > > > > subject is dealt > > > > in detail. > > > > In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and > > > > the 4th house lord > > > > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the > > > > nature of the sign (4th > > > > house) in which the planet is situated will > > > > determine the nature of the > > > > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate > > > > different Saiva deities; > > > > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava > > > > deities and so > > > > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity) > > > > from the planetary > > > > position related to 4th house is a big subject in > > > > itself, and so can't > > > > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th > > > > chapter of Prasnamarga, > > > > you will get a better and detailed picture of the > > > > same; that is the > > > > better solution. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > <%40> , > > > > RAMAGOPAL TULASI > > > > VENKATA <tvramagopal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear sreenadhji, > > > > > namaskar > > > > > Entirely new subject not connected with the > > > > arguments that is on > > > > now. > > > > > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in > > > > Tamil)) by > > > > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?) > > > > > > > > > > tvramagopal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Dear Amit, The suggestion is: " Go for the Original Scripts (as primary reference) " ; To prove authority of some method " Never quote astrologers (me included) as primary reference " ; but quote the ancient books (the originals). The words of astrologers can only become, secondary and supporting evidence to the scriptural reference. In the first place if the scriptural reference regarding the same is not available, then the words of astrologers regarding the same becomes phony. Love, Sreenadh , " Amit Sinha " <amit.sinha wrote: > > Sir I am in the learning process so whatever material I get I try to > grasp it. > > As there is no way to prove in astrology whether a particular scripture > is truth or it has been written to satisfy one's ego > > > > ________________________________ > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh > Friday, August 31, 2007 12:14 PM > > Re: Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > Dear Amit, > With due respect, Pandit Sanjay Rath is not an authentic reference > or authority on the subject; if any ancient scriptural reference is > available on the same that only would be valued. This is a group that > discusses ancient Indian astrology and that is why the emphasis > on " ancient scriptures " and words of Sages. Rath is no sage but a > common man with a good imagination, who makes new claims and > inventions. Actually he should NEVER be taken as a reference - it > is a possible pitfall. > You quote Raths words about Pancha Maha purusha yoga as: > ==> > > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the > > lagna either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti > > is the powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the > > lagna. Note here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > > astrology that is the sign of the sun in the natal chart. > <== > Those words as stated above is nothing but a pitfall and causes a > damaging effect. Let us look in to it and understand, why? > Point -1 > -------- > ==> > > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the > > lagna either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti > > is the powerful one. > <== > There is no such scriptual advice. More over he is mixing Rasi > Drishti (Part of Jaimini system) with the traditional concept of > Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga; Not done even in BPHS! Then his new > invention of finding whether Rasi drishi or graha drishi is strong, > and that of combining all this up with the Nakshatra lorship of Moon > and so on. Just stupid imagination with out much base! That might be > his imagination or experience; but not the traditional path; but a > clear pitfall that the students of ancient system should avoid. > ==> > > Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the > > lagna. Note here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic > > astrology that is the sign of the sun in the natal chart. > <== > As Kaul rightly states there is not much Nirayana Astrology in > Vedas; least to say about the mention of Sun Signs in Vedas! If he > just mean Nirayana Astrology by the words Vedic astrology (Again a > pit fall and mis-direction!), the too by the words " Sun sign > ascpecting Laga " , he is pointing " Rasi Drishti " a subject discussed > in no ancient scriptures (like Skanda hora, Vasishta hora, Kausika > Hora, Garga hora etc - of Nirayana Astrology) except in the alternate > path mentioned in Jaimini sutra and BPHS. (He is mixing the paths and > correpting things!). But Alas! Even Jaimini sutra or BPHS > necessitates or comments about " Sun sign ascpecting Laga " for the > fructification of Pancha Maha purusha Yogas! Thus he is just making > postulations out of his poor man - acting out the modern sage! It is > nothing but just clear stupid ness and false ego! If you are a true > student of ancient Indian astrology, learn to avoid such pitfalls > that may look so real in the outset. > I don't find it valuble, wasting my time on some imaginative (but > stupid, ignorant, egotic) statements of some Raths or wheels. Please > refer to the ORIGINALS and not to these imitations. One of the first > rule is astrology is this itself - " Provide the reference from the > originals, the ancient scripts " ; You can refer to the statement of > Skanda, Vasishta, jaimini, BPHS, or Saravali; but not to the > statement of some local astrologer who blabbers something out of his > imagination. Rath has value as a local astrologer and not as a sage > (Rishi). If he is trying to act out of ignorance and ego the role > of 'modern sage'; then we can only feel companionate for him; he is > not even a sincere researcher, or seeker of knowledge; but only a > corrupting influence to the ancient knowledge. > But of course he is a good organizer and was big success in > popularizing and marketting astrology packed in the wrong name 'Vedic > astrology', successfully. He is a very good businessman, organizers. > He seems to be a morally degraded person due of his many acts. He is > a person who knows well how to mould and make up the texts write- ups > to suit his purpose. He should be valued for his these special > abilities; and definitely I value him as a successful organizer, and > businessman, and as a local astrologer; but definitely not as a role > model or scholar who can be valued. > Hope that - > * You will understand this approach difference > * You will understand why Rath can never be a reference in such > arguments, in place of scriptural references. > * Why the same itself indicate a pitfall. > > Rath would be known to posterity, as the astrology teacher of PVR > (the creator of JHora), than an some one who done something on > astrology (there is not much to be valued). He might be remembered as > the creator of SJC, but never for his scholarship and research > (because he is never sincere). Rath would never be counted among > sages but among local astrologers only who lived for some time and > then got forgotten. You may not grasp this point right now, but many > others may. He is not a Himalaya but a simple mud heap at the plane - > as far as contributions to ancient astrology are concerned. But > definitely he he made up a wax castle of using all those 1000 dasas > and divisional charts - with predictive reference out of imagination; > and still sticking all them on the forehead of Vedas! It is nothing > but clever business trick and cheating! Yes, he is really good at it! > > So the end not is : Please quotes authentic references from > scriptures in such discussion and not some irrelevant Raths. It is > also so because, Rath may be guru to some in this group, but not to > others; and so cannot be a commonly accepted reference. For example > to me Rath is nothing but a mere average astrologer whose words can't > be accepted in face value because he is not sincere; the same could > be the opinion of many others. But many who are his students or > supporters may vigorously oppose this. Why to fall into all these > controversies? The relevant point here is, Rath's words is an > irrelevant reference as far as a discussion on Pancha Maha purausha > Yoga is concerned and can not be valued. > For us and for who lived before and after us the common reference > on Nirayana astrology is much valued ancient texts like - Rishi > Horas, Brihajjataka, Saravali, Krishneeya, Prasnamarga etc. Quote > from them - if any reference on the same is available on them - Rath > does not depend on quotes and make-up things for his purpose; and so > he can not be believed and his words can never become reference. See > to the fact that scholers like Bhattolpala, Balabhadra (author of > Hora Ratna) etc can be a reference because they never say a thing > with out a proper authentic reference on such subjects; they were > sincere; but that is not the case with modern day astrologers > (professional astrologers who use astrology for a living; it is their > daily bread and livelihood), especially those who are not sincere at > all; and is business minded, and greedy. > > Note: Sorry, if Rath is your guru; but you made me speak out, by > refering to the words of Rath as a reference; which it can never be. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > <%40> , " Amit Sinha " > <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > > > With due respect, > > > > > > > > In one of the lectures of Pt. Sanjay Rath it has been told that > > Mahpurusha yogas are dasa dependent and I also particularly feel so > as I > > have an experience of my Ruchaka yoga during Mars mahadasa. > > > > > > > > One more thing what he told is that for a pancha mahapurusha yoga to > > come into full effect, one's moon nakshatra lord must aspect the > lagna > > either by rasi or graham drishti out of which graham drishti is the > > powerful one. Moreover the sun sign must also aspect the lagna. Note > > here sun sign means sun sign according to Vedic astrology that is > the > > sign of the sun in the natal chart. > > > > > > > > One more thing he commented was that the planet giving pancha > > mahapurusha yoga must not be afflicted for pancha mahapurusha yoga > to > > come into effect as a necessary condition, because almost 30% > people in > > the world have one or the other pancha mahapurusha yoga if we > consider > > the condition to be only that the planet be in quadrants in own > sign, > > mool trikona, or exalted for Venus, Mars,Jupiter, Saturn and > Mercury. > > > > > > > > Sreenadh ji, please comment on this. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > <%40> > > [ > <%40> ] On Behalf Of > Sreenadh > > Friday, August 31, 2007 10:40 AM > > > <%40> > > Re: Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh ji, > > You are wrong. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are NOT dasa independent > > Yogas - they are DASA Dependant. > > Only Mala Yogas etc that fall with in Nabhasa Yoga division are > > Dasa independent - there is a defenite reason and logic for this. > > Search for it and you will get the gist of it. > > Except some Nabhasa Yogas and Sadyo Mrityu Yogas which are > > mentioned as Dasa independent, all other Yogas are dasa dependant. > > Know this as a fact, supported by all ancient scripts. If you have > > scriptural reference that says " Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are dasa > > independent " , I am curious to see the same. > > I agree with you about the fact that Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas > > usually indicate good results. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> , aavesh t > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > Nice to read your comments on my mail. > > > > > > Regarding the Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas these are Dasa independent > > yogas.I mean to say that these yogas will give certain character > > traits which will predominate throughout the lifespan of the > > individual.That is why much > > > importance is given to them in the Jyotish classics like > > BPHS,Saravali etc > > > > > > Hamsa Yoga emphasises the positive qualities of Guru some of > > them being 'Optimism,faith,wisdom,good luck' .There are also some > > negatives to this > > > yoga of which overindulgence in the good things of life is one. > > > > > > You rightly mentioned that unless the proper Dashas run in the > > chart the > > > yogas will be of little use to the individual concerned > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Dear aavesh ji, > > > ==> > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > > > > Mahapurusha yoga in their chart is they are quite optimistic & > > > > cheerful in their approach to life in general. They are truly > > > > blessed in the real sense of the term (in all aspects of life). > > > > The only danger being overindulgence in the good things of life. > > > <== > > > That seems to be only a comment on 'Aavesh' (etra enthusiasm). > > > Leghu Parasari states - > > > Yogeshu Kechijjayante Moodha kasmeera gardabha > > > Yogante kim karishyanti swa dasanamanagemeH > > > [When Yogas are there many Mules of Kashmir also take birth. What > > > help the Yogas can do if the Dasas are not coming] > > > So there could be thousands of horoscopes with good Yogas, which > > > may never realize. Also not that the results that should be > > ascribed > > > to close relatives too may reflect in one's horoscope. To add to > > it - > > > if only Yoga indicate a result (and if Dasa and Gochara does not > > > support it), that is only an 'Adridha phala' (weak result) that > may > > > or may not come true. Astrology greatly values emphasized > > probability > > > (Dwi Tri samvada Bhaval), without which no result will come true. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> , aavesh t > > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Amitji, > > > > > > > > Could you please post your birth details,it shall be > interesting > > > to study > > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > My personal experience in the case of natives with Hamsa > > > Mahapurusha yoga > > > > in their chart is they are quite optimistic & cheerful in their > > > approach to life > > > > in general.They are truly blessed in the real sense of the term > > > (in all > > > > aspects of life).The only danger being overindulgence in the > good > > > things > > > > of life. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Sinha <amit.sinha@> wrote: > > > > I can just give you my experiences with the pancha > > > mahapurush yogas. > > > > I have two of them. One is Ruchaka and the other one is Hamsa. > In > > > my Navamsa also I have Ruchaka. > > > > My experience with these till date are that they give person > very > > > high ideals. He just works for the welfare of others using > whatever > > > means he can. No matter whether he gets rewarded(lesser > > probability) > > > or gets blamed for doing so and so. He/she helps the public at > the > > > root level of the problem not just on the superficial level. > > > > But one thing is for sure due to these high ideals person with > > > these yogas have to face uncountable number of difficulties in > > > his/her life. He becomes a persobn with such a varied experience > > > which no one else can think of. People although impose infront of > > me > > > that I am good for them but when it comes to pay back just a > little > > > they fly away. So person with Pancha mahapurusha yogas has to > fight > > > throughout his life for others and for himself. > > > > But I do have a vaak siddhi sort of thing. Whatever I say > without > > > thinking becomes true for others as well as for me. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > [ > <%40> > > <%40> ] On Behalf Of > Mr > > > puran pant > > > > Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:13 AM > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > Re: Re: Kula Daivam (Family > > > Daity) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear atman > > > > > > > > Where can I get prasnamarga please. > > > > > > > > Also I was curious about getting detailed information > > > > and significance about Panch Mahapurush Yogas. All the > > > > books I referred have very scanty information. Anyone > > > > is welcome to contribute to knowledge. > > > > > > > > Regards - Puranchandra Pant. > > > > > > > > --- RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA <tvramagopal@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > thankyouji > > > > > now it is in my court that i have to read > > > > > prasangamarga. > > > > > I am an ordinary person with no knowledge in > > > > > astrology. By reading the mails in this connexion i > > > > > am learining. > > > > > thank you for the immediate reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ramgopal ji, > > > > > The Kula daivam (Family deity/Dharma devata) is > > > > > identified using the > > > > > 4th house and not 5th house. > > > > > Read the 16th chapter of Prasnamarga - in which the > > > > > subject is dealt > > > > > in detail. > > > > > In a nut shell the planets placed in 4th house and > > > > > the 4th house lord > > > > > can indicate the Family deity (Kula daiva); the > > > > > nature of the sign (4th > > > > > house) in which the planet is situated will > > > > > determine the nature of the > > > > > deity. (i.e. Sun in various signs can indicate > > > > > different Saiva deities; > > > > > Ju in various signs can indicate different Vaishnava > > > > > deities and so > > > > > on). Determination of Kula devata (family deity) > > > > > from the planetary > > > > > position related to 4th house is a big subject in > > > > > itself, and so can't > > > > > be dealt with in a single mail. Read the 16th > > > > > chapter of Prasnamarga, > > > > > you will get a better and detailed picture of the > > > > > same; that is the > > > > > better solution. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> , > > > > > RAMAGOPAL TULASI > > > > > VENKATA <tvramagopal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sreenadhji, > > > > > > namaskar > > > > > > Entirely new subject not connected with the > > > > > arguments that is on > > > > > now. > > > > > > How to identify the family deity (Kula theivam (in > > > > > Tamil)) by > > > > > analysing the 5th house from lagna (or rasi ?) > > > > > > > > > > > > tvramagopal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T.V.Ramagopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > > > > click away. > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? 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