Fwd: FRAUD - WHO? ??Vedic astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!

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kpindia , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved

wrote:

 

Shri Pankaj Dhar ji,

Namaskar!

1. Predictive gimmicks are being called Vedic astrology on the basis

of the Vedic literature available as on date. Since no scholar,

including you, has as yet been able to decipher Mesha etc. Rashis in

the Vedas, as such, to call such gimmicks which start and end in

Mesha etc. Rashis as " Vedic astrology " is definitely a fraud being

played on the gullible public!

 

2. If and when some scholar deciphers(invents?) Mesha etc. rashis

after a few millenia from today in the vedas, we may at that point

of time, call it " Vedic astrology " . In other words, we may catch

larks when the sky falls!

3. Please quote the exact lines where I have compared myself with

Lord Krishna.

 

4. The heading of the topic is " Vedic astrology " --- the greatest

fraud on the Vedas. Since you have not been able to prove it

otherwise, please do not involve extraneous points to obfuscate the

main issue.

With regards,

 

A K Kaul

kpindia , " Pankaj Dhar " <pankajdhar@> wrote:

>

> I had sent you offline mails as well-

>

> I am not defending VEDIC astrology- it may or may not be a fraud-

but

> your claims itself could still be a FRAUD!

>

> But seems you DON'T understand the BASICS as well and have the

> audacity to compare yourself indirectly with LORD KRISHNA in one of

> your articles- which could be offensive to any community if you

talk

> about their prophets- it is the LIBERAL Hindu community which

takes it.

>

> a) For your kind information VEDAS have partly been destroyed or

> distorted- and can be reconstructed based on maths or may be

> intuition(all this has a formal basis- but you may not be able to

> understand it with your current understanding levels).

>

> Now if any piece of information is either deleted or distorted- how

> can you by surety say it did not contain information about vedic

> astrology or about any thing fro that matter.

>

> b) Second point is information/knowledge in vedas is in encoded

> form-so one may not have an obvious or EXPLICIT comment as you

great

> man like you are looking at .

>

> If you are aware of TV and radio signals- or computers you would

> immediately understand what I am trying to say.

>

> c)As I told you in the mail(which you have probably not read or

> understood)- that prediction could involve FUZZY aspects as well(

just

> like you have in quantum theory/market predictions etc)- even if

you

> don't have all the variables/rashis here- still one could make

decent

> predictions within the framework.(he space is too small to explain

to

> you such things- as astrology encompasses space time realities

which

> are much more global and generic than any cause and effect systems

> studied till now)

>

> d)You have mentioned about the frontiers of science .....just a FYI

> the mathematics encoded in vedas is much ahead of the current

times.

>

> You might have heard of Ramanujan- who solved problems in number

> theory which were exceptional- people still don't understand it-

but

> are correct!

>

> Vedas are much much beyond spherical trignometry - as might be

> perceived by a bunch of..(i donot know if many critics are able to

go

> beyond normal trigonometry- then they consider themselves as

experts)

>

> Understanding and interpreting vedas correctly - requires intense

> powers of concentration and intuition- which only people like Swami

> Vivekananda and others could do. before making a stupid comment

about

> swami ji's capability- we should try to understand it first.

>

> It is our lack of understanding,arrogance and vanity which leads

us

> to draw and propagate such fallacies.

>

> Take care,

> Punkajj

>

>

>

>

> kpindia , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Biradari Members,

> >

> > Namaskar Mahara.

> > As is an open secret by now: there are no Mesha etc. Rashis in

the

> > Vedas, especially the much talked about Makara Rashi. As every

> > member of this forum knows, a tapasvini, together with her

shishyas,

> > in spite of her forty years' tapasya, was unable to quote even a

> > single Vedc mantra -- leave alone several mantras----in support

of

> > her claim that the Vedic Rishis had advised us to celebrate the

> > solar ingress into Makar Rashi, that also a so called Sayana one!

> > All she could do was to advise us to perform yoga to visualize

those

> > Rashis in the Vedas, though she had said herself that the Vedas

had

> > talked of the methodology of calculating horoscopes at several

> > places! Ironically, she herself and her shishyas calculate their

own

> > horoscopes neither through tapasya nor through yoga nor through

> > the " Vedic methodology (sic!) " but by means of the data provided

by

> > NASA of the US of A! In fact, that is what every " Vedic

astrologer "

> > is doing for himself/herself as well as for his/her clients--

> > calculating " Vedic horoscopes " from the data provided by NASA!

> >

> > Then again, Dr. Vartak of Maharashtra, who is a famous astrologer

> > for " fixing " the date of Bhagwan Rama etc., had to admit that in

> > spite of his best efforts he was unable to locate at least three

> > Rashis (and Makar Rashi was one of them!) in the Vedas! The rest

of

> > the nine rashis that he has talked about are not present in any

> > systematic manner like Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras anywhere

nor

> > are they present by the names of Mesha etc. but Dr.Vartak has

> > interpreted some other words as meaning Tula etc. Rashis!

> >

> > A lot of posts are available on this forum on all such discussion

> > and no need to repeat them here!

> >

> > Now that there are no rashis in the Vedas, obviously to call any

> > predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology is an insult to the real

> > Vamadevas by their namesakes of today! For the same reason, it is

> > also the greatest fraud on the Vedas and as such, any such

gimmicks

> > being called Vedic astrology can be challenged under the Consumer

> > Protection Act.

> > But I know it is just a pipe dream on my part to expect any such

> > action by anybody since India i.e. Bharat is a country of " Vedic

> > astrologers " for " Vedic astrologers " and ruled by " Vedic

astrologers "

> > in spite of the fact that no Vedic Rishi has said anywhere that

we

> > should consult our horoscopes before embarking on any action!

> > As such, the main casualty will continue be our festivals, fasts

> > and muhurtas, thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic

> > astrology "

> > With regards,

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul

> >

>

 

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