How many Stars?

August 20, 2007

Respected Sir,

I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations like 12

Rashis.

But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all those 27

Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there in these 27

Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

It will be a great help to me to understand.

August 20, 2007

Dear magnoflora ji,

The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS using the

words Rasis or Nakshatras.

As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal division of

the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first point of

Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed division of

13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people is 'Tara' and

NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed divisions " from the

ancient past; and even in Vedas.

Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first referring

to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc; NOT to any

stars or constellations.

To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We will discuss

the opinion difference and present our argument with supporting

evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for the 'Truth' as you

mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by their own.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " magnolia_flora "

<magnoflora wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

>

> I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations like 12

> Rashis.

>

> But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all those 27

> Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there in these 27

> Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

>

> It will be a great help to me to understand.

>

August 20, 2007

Shri Sreenadhji,

Namaskar!

If by " interception " you mean " cross-posting " from other forums, it

appears you are not taking into account the fact that they are

independent posts, but being posted here just because this forum

deals with such topics. It may be sheer coincidence that the threads

sometimes overlap. I am equally posting most of your views to other

forums without any comments from my side, even if you do not agree

with me on several points. Unfortunately, some members from this

forum, who are simultaneously members of those other forums also, do

not like such cross postings since maybe they find your views

unorthodox and even heretic!

If by interception you mean something else, please let me know.

Regards,

AKK

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear magnoflora ji,

> The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS using

the

> words Rasis or Nakshatras.

> As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal division

of

> the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first point

of

> Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed

division of

> 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

> To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people is 'Tara'

and

> NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed divisions " from

the

> ancient past; and even in Vedas.

> Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first

referring

> to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc; NOT to

any

> stars or constellations.

>

> To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We will

discuss

> the opinion difference and present our argument with supporting

> evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for the 'Truth' as

you

> mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by their

own.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " magnolia_flora "

> <magnoflora@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations like

12

> > Rashis.

> >

> > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all those

27

> > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there in

these 27

> > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

> >

> > It will be a great help to me to understand.

> >

>

August 21, 2007

Dear Kaul ji,

I never meant " cross-posting " by the word " intercept this

conversation (thread) " . I just meant what I said - i.e the thread of

converstaion between magnoflora and me. As far as " cross-postings " are

concenrned you are always welcome (even though the same can't be told

about others always - it depends on the quolity and information

present in those posts). Be positive man! We are friends and have a

good amount of respect for each other I hope.

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

>

> Shri Sreenadhji,

> Namaskar!

> If by " interception " you mean " cross-posting " from other forums, it

> appears you are not taking into account the fact that they are

> independent posts, but being posted here just because this forum

> deals with such topics. It may be sheer coincidence that the threads

> sometimes overlap. I am equally posting most of your views to other

> forums without any comments from my side, even if you do not agree

> with me on several points. Unfortunately, some members from this

> forum, who are simultaneously members of those other forums also, do

> not like such cross postings since maybe they find your views

> unorthodox and even heretic!

> If by interception you mean something else, please let me know.

> Regards,

> AKK

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear magnoflora ji,

> > The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS using

> the

> > words Rasis or Nakshatras.

> > As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal division

> of

> > the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first point

> of

> > Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed

> division of

> > 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

> > To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people is 'Tara'

> and

> > NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed divisions " from

> the

> > ancient past; and even in Vedas.

> > Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first

> referring

> > to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc; NOT to

> any

> > stars or constellations.

> >

> > To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We will

> discuss

> > the opinion difference and present our argument with supporting

> > evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for the 'Truth' as

> you

> > mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by their

> own.

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " magnolia_flora "

> > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations like

> 12

> > > Rashis.

> > >

> > > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all those

> 27

> > > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there in

> these 27

> > > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

> > >

> > > It will be a great help to me to understand.

> > >

> >

>

August 21, 2007

Respected Shreenadh,

If it is like as you wrote, then tell me about " Nakshatra Suktha "

mentioned Vedas. Do you agree that all the 27 names are there in

Vedas or not? If it is there in Vedas, then what are the meanings of

those names? Example:Ashwini=Horse Faced, Bharani= Womb, Rohini=

Ratha Krittika=Cropper Blade Mrigashira=Head of deer etc.

Why these different shapes has been given and characteristics

mentioned if they are not constellations?

With Regards

Magnolia Flora

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear magnoflora ji,

> The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS using

the

> words Rasis or Nakshatras.

> As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal division

of

> the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first point

of

> Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed

division of

> 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

> To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people is 'Tara'

and

> NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed divisions " from

the

> ancient past; and even in Vedas.

> Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first

referring

> to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc; NOT to

any

> stars or constellations.

>

> To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We will

discuss

> the opinion difference and present our argument with supporting

> evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for the 'Truth' as

you

> mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by their

own.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " magnolia_flora "

> <magnoflora@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations like

12

> > Rashis.

> >

> > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all those

27

> > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there in

these 27

> > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

> >

> > It will be a great help to me to understand.

> >

>

August 21, 2007

Dear Magnolia ji,

The word " Nakshatra " has the sanskrit nirukti " Na Kherati iti

Nakshatra " meaning " the one which does not move is termed Nakshatra " .

In this sence the word " Nakshatra " always (whether it is 28 part

division or 27 part division) refer to fixed divisions. In Vedas this

word is ALWAYS used to refer to such fixed divisions only. When ever

they had to refer to stars they have used the words " Tara " , " Rksha "

etc.

28 part unequal division of the Lunar Path

---------

Intially the Vedas used the 28 unequal division of the LUNAR PATH

(the path of Moon).

* These divisions were unequal in area they covered.

* All the " Yoga Taras " (and the major stars in the constellations

those names can indicate) were within those UNEQAL divisions.

The 28 part division came into existence because the Moon takes 27

1/3 days to make a complete circle around earth. Thus one of these

divisions (i.e. Abhijit) covered very less area only.

27 part equal division of the Ecliptic

-----

Due to preferences in Moon's motion this became 28 part unequal

division of Lunar Path became unreliable, and thus originate the

system of using equal 27 divisions, by associating the the divisions

with the ECLIPTIC instead of LUNAR PATH. When the divisions become

equal (covering 13 degree 20 min each) and got associated with

ECLIPTIC, the words that were used also to denote the Yogataras that

were falling with in the 28 part division lost their meaning; they

became simple NAMES of each division.

* These divisions were equal in area they covered; i.e. 13 degree

20 min each.

* Some of the " Yoga Taras " of the earlier unequal division became

outside these divisions.

* The division Abhijit used earlier was dropped from the list.

* This was a better scientific approach to have a FIXED FRAME WORK

basd on which the sky could be studied. In this co-ordinate system

the line joining the ecliptic with the First point of Aswini

(Aswinyadi) becomes the Y-Axis and the Ecliptic becomes the X-Axis.

Value and Relevence of Nakshatra names and their meaning

---------------------------

Even though after the 27 equal part division, the Nakshatra names

has one name sake importance; those names help us understand the

scientific understanding with which they usually named the " Taras " .

This applies not only to the names of stars this Nakshtra names could

refer but also to other stars such as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " , " Sapta

Rksha " etc as well. For example -

* Rohini derives its name from the word " Lohita " which means Red. As

you may know Rohini is an ancient star, a read gaint.

* The same is true about " Jyeshta " (the oldest or the eldest). This

too is a red giant.

* " Moola " refers to the " Root " (of the Galaxy) Milky way (Akasa

Ganga = the Ganges in the sky). " Moola Barhini " was the older name

for this star; which means " that which expands from a root like a

spiral " .

* Bharani derives its name from the word " Apa Bharani " (it was the

name used earlier, as mentioned in Vedas), indicating the presence of

Apa (=Water). That means, once rainy season must have been associated

withthis star.

* Aswini as you mentioned " Horse Faced " or " Horse Head " . Because

this was a star at the head of a constellation for which the vedic

people imagined the shape of a horse.

* Krittika refers to Blade that is used to cut hear etc; i.e.

Scissor like shape. This is one of the stars in constellation for

which the ancients imagined the shape of a scissor. This group

contains 6 or more stars.

In the same way we can understand a great deal about the

understanding of the Vedic people about the sky from those names. As

mentioned earlier this is not limited to earlier Yogatara names

alone. The other star names such as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " etc can also

impart much knowledge to us about their understanding.

It should also be remembered that in the long history of Vedas the

names of several stars changed. Some examples would be the earlier

names used such as " Elvala " , " Bahu " etc. Just have a primary study

and try to understand -

* Which stars these names referred to?

* Why their names changed?

* What was the relevance of the new names? etc.

Such investigative study of the ancient knowledge is greatly

interesting and is sure to impart much knowledge.

Hope the point is clear.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " magnolia_flora "

<magnoflora wrote:

>

> Respected Shreenadh,

> If it is like as you wrote, then tell me about " Nakshatra Suktha "

> mentioned Vedas. Do you agree that all the 27 names are there in

> Vedas or not? If it is there in Vedas, then what are the meanings

of

> those names? Example:Ashwini=Horse Faced, Bharani= Womb, Rohini=

> Ratha Krittika=Cropper Blade Mrigashira=Head of deer etc.

>

> Why these different shapes has been given and characteristics

> mentioned if they are not constellations?

>

> With Regards

> Magnolia Flora

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear magnoflora ji,

> > The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS using

> the

> > words Rasis or Nakshatras.

> > As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal

division

> of

> > the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first

point

> of

> > Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed

> division of

> > 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

> > To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people is 'Tara'

> and

> > NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed divisions "

from

> the

> > ancient past; and even in Vedas.

> > Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first

> referring

> > to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc; NOT

to

> any

> > stars or constellations.

> >

> > To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We will

> discuss

> > the opinion difference and present our argument with supporting

> > evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for the 'Truth' as

> you

> > mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by their

> own.

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " magnolia_flora "

> > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations

like

> 12

> > > Rashis.

> > >

> > > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all those

> 27

> > > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there in

> these 27

> > > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

> > >

> > > It will be a great help to me to understand.

> > >

> >

>

August 21, 2007

Dear Shreenadhji,

Anyway, now you are atleast agreeing with me that these taras are

not imaginary but are real constellations, which are existing upon

this sky. That was my intention of question. The Astological

approach to calculate the perfect movement may have added or deleted

some of the stars. I am not at all arguing on that subject. But I am

really interested to know the imaginary (vedic) construction of

these constellations. And learn about all 27 nakshatras with their

shapes and number of stars in each constellation. Is there any

authentic list for that? Does someone know about this?

With respect.

Magnolia Flora

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Magnolia ji,

> The word " Nakshatra " has the sanskrit nirukti " Na Kherati iti

> Nakshatra " meaning " the one which does not move is termed

Nakshatra " .

> In this sence the word " Nakshatra " always (whether it is 28 part

> division or 27 part division) refer to fixed divisions. In Vedas

this

> word is ALWAYS used to refer to such fixed divisions only. When

ever

> they had to refer to stars they have used the

words " Tara " , " Rksha "

> etc.

> 28 part unequal division of the Lunar Path

> ---------

> Intially the Vedas used the 28 unequal division of the LUNAR PATH

> (the path of Moon).

> * These divisions were unequal in area they covered.

> * All the " Yoga Taras " (and the major stars in the

constellations

> those names can indicate) were within those UNEQAL divisions.

> The 28 part division came into existence because the Moon takes

27

> 1/3 days to make a complete circle around earth. Thus one of these

> divisions (i.e. Abhijit) covered very less area only.

>

> 27 part equal division of the Ecliptic

> -----

> Due to preferences in Moon's motion this became 28 part unequal

> division of Lunar Path became unreliable, and thus originate the

> system of using equal 27 divisions, by associating the the

divisions

> with the ECLIPTIC instead of LUNAR PATH. When the divisions become

> equal (covering 13 degree 20 min each) and got associated with

> ECLIPTIC, the words that were used also to denote the Yogataras

that

> were falling with in the 28 part division lost their meaning; they

> became simple NAMES of each division.

> * These divisions were equal in area they covered; i.e. 13

degree

> 20 min each.

> * Some of the " Yoga Taras " of the earlier unequal division

became

> outside these divisions.

> * The division Abhijit used earlier was dropped from the list.

> * This was a better scientific approach to have a FIXED FRAME

WORK

> basd on which the sky could be studied. In this co-ordinate system

> the line joining the ecliptic with the First point of Aswini

> (Aswinyadi) becomes the Y-Axis and the Ecliptic becomes the X-Axis.

>

> Value and Relevence of Nakshatra names and their meaning

> ---------------------------

> Even though after the 27 equal part division, the Nakshatra

names

> has one name sake importance; those names help us understand the

> scientific understanding with which they usually named

the " Taras " .

> This applies not only to the names of stars this Nakshtra names

could

> refer but also to other stars such as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " , " Sapta

> Rksha " etc as well. For example -

> * Rohini derives its name from the word " Lohita " which means Red.

As

> you may know Rohini is an ancient star, a read gaint.

> * The same is true about " Jyeshta " (the oldest or the eldest).

This

> too is a red giant.

> * " Moola " refers to the " Root " (of the Galaxy) Milky way (Akasa

> Ganga = the Ganges in the sky). " Moola Barhini " was the older name

> for this star; which means " that which expands from a root like a

> spiral " .

> * Bharani derives its name from the word " Apa Bharani " (it was

the

> name used earlier, as mentioned in Vedas), indicating the presence

of

> Apa (=Water). That means, once rainy season must have been

associated

> withthis star.

> * Aswini as you mentioned " Horse Faced " or " Horse Head " . Because

> this was a star at the head of a constellation for which the vedic

> people imagined the shape of a horse.

> * Krittika refers to Blade that is used to cut hear etc; i.e.

> Scissor like shape. This is one of the stars in constellation for

> which the ancients imagined the shape of a scissor. This group

> contains 6 or more stars.

> In the same way we can understand a great deal about the

> understanding of the Vedic people about the sky from those names.

As

> mentioned earlier this is not limited to earlier Yogatara names

> alone. The other star names such as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " etc can

also

> impart much knowledge to us about their understanding.

>

> It should also be remembered that in the long history of Vedas

the

> names of several stars changed. Some examples would be the earlier

> names used such as " Elvala " , " Bahu " etc. Just have a primary study

> and try to understand -

> * Which stars these names referred to?

> * Why their names changed?

> * What was the relevance of the new names? etc.

> Such investigative study of the ancient knowledge is greatly

> interesting and is sure to impart much knowledge.

> Hope the point is clear.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " magnolia_flora "

> <magnoflora@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Shreenadh,

> > If it is like as you wrote, then tell me about " Nakshatra

Suktha "

> > mentioned Vedas. Do you agree that all the 27 names are there in

> > Vedas or not? If it is there in Vedas, then what are the

meanings

> of

> > those names? Example:Ashwini=Horse Faced, Bharani= Womb, Rohini=

> > Ratha Krittika=Cropper Blade Mrigashira=Head of deer etc.

> >

> > Why these different shapes has been given and characteristics

> > mentioned if they are not constellations?

> >

> > With Regards

> > Magnolia Flora

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear magnoflora ji,

> > > The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS

using

> > the

> > > words Rasis or Nakshatras.

> > > As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal

> division

> > of

> > > the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first

> point

> > of

> > > Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed

> > division of

> > > 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

> > > To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people

is 'Tara'

> > and

> > > NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed divisions "

> from

> > the

> > > ancient past; and even in Vedas.

> > > Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first

> > referring

> > > to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc;

NOT

> to

> > any

> > > stars or constellations.

> > >

> > > To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We will

> > discuss

> > > the opinion difference and present our argument with

supporting

> > > evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for the 'Truth'

as

> > you

> > > mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by their

> > own.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

, " magnolia_flora "

> > > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations

> like

> > 12

> > > > Rashis.

> > > >

> > > > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all

those

> > 27

> > > > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there in

> > these 27

> > > > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

> > > >

> > > > It will be a great help to me to understand.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 21, 2007

Dear Magnolia ji,

==>

> I am really interested to know the imaginary (vedic) construction

> of these constellations. And learn about all 27 nakshatras with

> their shapes and number of stars in each constellation. Is there

> any authentic list for that? Does someone know about this?

<==

I cannot give you the modern scientific name of these stars, or

other such details - because I am not an authority on the same. But

of course I can give you info such as -

* the names of these stars and their meaning

* a brief description of the change in names and the possible reason

for such changes

* The number of stars in case when stars in specific constellations

are referenced (as per later books) etc.

But this much info in not as simple as can be answered

spontaneously, since it takes effort to prepare a detailed answer. I

am not currently free now, I will keep your question in mind and as

and when I get free time I will try to prepare a document that

answers this question in detail and try to upload it in the group. Of

course there could be other members as well in the group who could

answer the same question, you may wait for an answer from them as

well.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " magnolia_flora "

<magnoflora wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadhji,

>

> Anyway, now you are atleast agreeing with me that these taras are

> not imaginary but are real constellations, which are existing upon

> this sky. That was my intention of question. The Astological

> approach to calculate the perfect movement may have added or

deleted

> some of the stars. I am not at all arguing on that subject. But I

am

> really interested to know the imaginary (vedic) construction of

> these constellations. And learn about all 27 nakshatras with their

> shapes and number of stars in each constellation. Is there any

> authentic list for that? Does someone know about this?

>

> With respect.

> Magnolia Flora

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Magnolia ji,

> > The word " Nakshatra " has the sanskrit nirukti " Na Kherati iti

> > Nakshatra " meaning " the one which does not move is termed

> Nakshatra " .

> > In this sence the word " Nakshatra " always (whether it is 28 part

> > division or 27 part division) refer to fixed divisions. In Vedas

> this

> > word is ALWAYS used to refer to such fixed divisions only. When

> ever

> > they had to refer to stars they have used the

> words " Tara " , " Rksha "

> > etc.

> > 28 part unequal division of the Lunar Path

> > ---------

> > Intially the Vedas used the 28 unequal division of the LUNAR

PATH

> > (the path of Moon).

> > * These divisions were unequal in area they covered.

> > * All the " Yoga Taras " (and the major stars in the

> constellations

> > those names can indicate) were within those UNEQAL divisions.

> > The 28 part division came into existence because the Moon takes

> 27

> > 1/3 days to make a complete circle around earth. Thus one of

these

> > divisions (i.e. Abhijit) covered very less area only.

> >

> > 27 part equal division of the Ecliptic

> > -----

> > Due to preferences in Moon's motion this became 28 part unequal

> > division of Lunar Path became unreliable, and thus originate the

> > system of using equal 27 divisions, by associating the the

> divisions

> > with the ECLIPTIC instead of LUNAR PATH. When the divisions

become

> > equal (covering 13 degree 20 min each) and got associated with

> > ECLIPTIC, the words that were used also to denote the Yogataras

> that

> > were falling with in the 28 part division lost their meaning;

they

> > became simple NAMES of each division.

> > * These divisions were equal in area they covered; i.e. 13

> degree

> > 20 min each.

> > * Some of the " Yoga Taras " of the earlier unequal division

> became

> > outside these divisions.

> > * The division Abhijit used earlier was dropped from the list.

> > * This was a better scientific approach to have a FIXED FRAME

> WORK

> > basd on which the sky could be studied. In this co-ordinate

system

> > the line joining the ecliptic with the First point of Aswini

> > (Aswinyadi) becomes the Y-Axis and the Ecliptic becomes the X-

Axis.

> >

> > Value and Relevence of Nakshatra names and their meaning

> > ---------------------------

> > Even though after the 27 equal part division, the Nakshatra

> names

> > has one name sake importance; those names help us understand the

> > scientific understanding with which they usually named

> the " Taras " .

> > This applies not only to the names of stars this Nakshtra names

> could

> > refer but also to other stars such

as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " , " Sapta

> > Rksha " etc as well. For example -

> > * Rohini derives its name from the word " Lohita " which means

Red.

> As

> > you may know Rohini is an ancient star, a read gaint.

> > * The same is true about " Jyeshta " (the oldest or the eldest).

> This

> > too is a red giant.

> > * " Moola " refers to the " Root " (of the Galaxy) Milky way (Akasa

> > Ganga = the Ganges in the sky). " Moola Barhini " was the older

name

> > for this star; which means " that which expands from a root like a

> > spiral " .

> > * Bharani derives its name from the word " Apa Bharani " (it was

> the

> > name used earlier, as mentioned in Vedas), indicating the

presence

> of

> > Apa (=Water). That means, once rainy season must have been

> associated

> > withthis star.

> > * Aswini as you mentioned " Horse Faced " or " Horse Head " . Because

> > this was a star at the head of a constellation for which the

vedic

> > people imagined the shape of a horse.

> > * Krittika refers to Blade that is used to cut hear etc; i.e.

> > Scissor like shape. This is one of the stars in constellation for

> > which the ancients imagined the shape of a scissor. This group

> > contains 6 or more stars.

> > In the same way we can understand a great deal about the

> > understanding of the Vedic people about the sky from those names.

> As

> > mentioned earlier this is not limited to earlier Yogatara names

> > alone. The other star names such as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " etc can

> also

> > impart much knowledge to us about their understanding.

> >

> > It should also be remembered that in the long history of Vedas

> the

> > names of several stars changed. Some examples would be the

earlier

> > names used such as " Elvala " , " Bahu " etc. Just have a primary

study

> > and try to understand -

> > * Which stars these names referred to?

> > * Why their names changed?

> > * What was the relevance of the new names? etc.

> > Such investigative study of the ancient knowledge is greatly

> > interesting and is sure to impart much knowledge.

> > Hope the point is clear.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " magnolia_flora "

> > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Shreenadh,

> > > If it is like as you wrote, then tell me about " Nakshatra

> Suktha "

> > > mentioned Vedas. Do you agree that all the 27 names are there

in

> > > Vedas or not? If it is there in Vedas, then what are the

> meanings

> > of

> > > those names? Example:Ashwini=Horse Faced, Bharani= Womb,

Rohini=

> > > Ratha Krittika=Cropper Blade Mrigashira=Head of deer etc.

> > >

> > > Why these different shapes has been given and characteristics

> > > mentioned if they are not constellations?

> > >

> > > With Regards

> > > Magnolia Flora

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear magnoflora ji,

> > > > The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS

> using

> > > the

> > > > words Rasis or Nakshatras.

> > > > As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal

> > division

> > > of

> > > > the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first

> > point

> > > of

> > > > Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed

> > > division of

> > > > 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

> > > > To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people

> is 'Tara'

> > > and

> > > > NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed divisions "

> > from

> > > the

> > > > ancient past; and even in Vedas.

> > > > Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first

> > > referring

> > > > to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc;

> NOT

> > to

> > > any

> > > > stars or constellations.

> > > >

> > > > To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We will

> > > discuss

> > > > the opinion difference and present our argument with

> supporting

> > > > evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for the 'Truth'

> as

> > > you

> > > > mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by their

> > > own.

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " magnolia_flora "

> > > > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations

> > like

> > > 12

> > > > > Rashis.

> > > > >

> > > > > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all

> those

> > > 27

> > > > > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there

in

> > > these 27

> > > > > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

> > > > >

> > > > > It will be a great help to me to understand.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 21, 2007

Shri Magnoliaji,

Namaskar!

You can join

HinduCalendar

You will find several star.tbls there in files section. These will

give you the names of all the prominent stars vis-a-vis the Vedic

nakshatras together with their so called Sayana as well as Lahiri

nirayana positions from about 3000 BCE to 3000 AD.

You can also download " Ganesh " and " Mahesh " prgrams from that forum

to find out the tithi, nakshatra etc. from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD

besides mean longitudes of all the planets, both as per the

sidhantas and modern astronomy. You will not find such inormation

anywhere else.

Regards,

AKK

, " magnolia_flora "

<magnoflora wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadhji,

>

> Anyway, now you are atleast agreeing with me that these taras are

> not imaginary but are real constellations, which are existing upon

> this sky. That was my intention of question. The Astological

> approach to calculate the perfect movement may have added or

deleted

> some of the stars. I am not at all arguing on that subject. But I

am

> really interested to know the imaginary (vedic) construction of

> these constellations. And learn about all 27 nakshatras with their

> shapes and number of stars in each constellation. Is there any

> authentic list for that? Does someone know about this?

>

> With respect.

> Magnolia Flora

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Magnolia ji,

> > The word " Nakshatra " has the sanskrit nirukti " Na Kherati iti

> > Nakshatra " meaning " the one which does not move is termed

> Nakshatra " .

> > In this sence the word " Nakshatra " always (whether it is 28 part

> > division or 27 part division) refer to fixed divisions. In Vedas

> this

> > word is ALWAYS used to refer to such fixed divisions only. When

> ever

> > they had to refer to stars they have used the

> words " Tara " , " Rksha "

> > etc.

> > 28 part unequal division of the Lunar Path

> > ---------

> > Intially the Vedas used the 28 unequal division of the LUNAR

PATH

> > (the path of Moon).

> > * These divisions were unequal in area they covered.

> > * All the " Yoga Taras " (and the major stars in the

> constellations

> > those names can indicate) were within those UNEQAL divisions.

> > The 28 part division came into existence because the Moon takes

> 27

> > 1/3 days to make a complete circle around earth. Thus one of

these

> > divisions (i.e. Abhijit) covered very less area only.

> >

> > 27 part equal division of the Ecliptic

> > -----

> > Due to preferences in Moon's motion this became 28 part unequal

> > division of Lunar Path became unreliable, and thus originate the

> > system of using equal 27 divisions, by associating the the

> divisions

> > with the ECLIPTIC instead of LUNAR PATH. When the divisions

become

> > equal (covering 13 degree 20 min each) and got associated with

> > ECLIPTIC, the words that were used also to denote the Yogataras

> that

> > were falling with in the 28 part division lost their meaning;

they

> > became simple NAMES of each division.

> > * These divisions were equal in area they covered; i.e. 13

> degree

> > 20 min each.

> > * Some of the " Yoga Taras " of the earlier unequal division

> became

> > outside these divisions.

> > * The division Abhijit used earlier was dropped from the

list.

> > * This was a better scientific approach to have a FIXED FRAME

> WORK

> > basd on which the sky could be studied. In this co-ordinate

system

> > the line joining the ecliptic with the First point of Aswini

> > (Aswinyadi) becomes the Y-Axis and the Ecliptic becomes the X-

Axis.

> >

> > Value and Relevence of Nakshatra names and their meaning

> > ---------------------------

> > Even though after the 27 equal part division, the Nakshatra

> names

> > has one name sake importance; those names help us understand the

> > scientific understanding with which they usually named

> the " Taras " .

> > This applies not only to the names of stars this Nakshtra names

> could

> > refer but also to other stars such

as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " , " Sapta

> > Rksha " etc as well. For example -

> > * Rohini derives its name from the word " Lohita " which means

Red.

> As

> > you may know Rohini is an ancient star, a read gaint.

> > * The same is true about " Jyeshta " (the oldest or the eldest).

> This

> > too is a red giant.

> > * " Moola " refers to the " Root " (of the Galaxy) Milky way (Akasa

> > Ganga = the Ganges in the sky). " Moola Barhini " was the older

name

> > for this star; which means " that which expands from a root like

a

> > spiral " .

> > * Bharani derives its name from the word " Apa Bharani " (it was

> the

> > name used earlier, as mentioned in Vedas), indicating the

presence

> of

> > Apa (=Water). That means, once rainy season must have been

> associated

> > withthis star.

> > * Aswini as you mentioned " Horse Faced " or " Horse Head " .

Because

> > this was a star at the head of a constellation for which the

vedic

> > people imagined the shape of a horse.

> > * Krittika refers to Blade that is used to cut hear etc; i.e.

> > Scissor like shape. This is one of the stars in constellation

for

> > which the ancients imagined the shape of a scissor. This group

> > contains 6 or more stars.

> > In the same way we can understand a great deal about the

> > understanding of the Vedic people about the sky from those

names.

> As

> > mentioned earlier this is not limited to earlier Yogatara names

> > alone. The other star names such as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " etc can

> also

> > impart much knowledge to us about their understanding.

> >

> > It should also be remembered that in the long history of Vedas

> the

> > names of several stars changed. Some examples would be the

earlier

> > names used such as " Elvala " , " Bahu " etc. Just have a primary

study

> > and try to understand -

> > * Which stars these names referred to?

> > * Why their names changed?

> > * What was the relevance of the new names? etc.

> > Such investigative study of the ancient knowledge is greatly

> > interesting and is sure to impart much knowledge.

> > Hope the point is clear.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

, " magnolia_flora "

> > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Shreenadh,

> > > If it is like as you wrote, then tell me about " Nakshatra

> Suktha "

> > > mentioned Vedas. Do you agree that all the 27 names are there

in

> > > Vedas or not? If it is there in Vedas, then what are the

> meanings

> > of

> > > those names? Example:Ashwini=Horse Faced, Bharani= Womb,

Rohini=

> > > Ratha Krittika=Cropper Blade Mrigashira=Head of deer etc.

> > >

> > > Why these different shapes has been given and characteristics

> > > mentioned if they are not constellations?

> > >

> > > With Regards

> > > Magnolia Flora

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear magnoflora ji,

> > > > The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS

> using

> > > the

> > > > words Rasis or Nakshatras.

> > > > As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal

> > division

> > > of

> > > > the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first

> > point

> > > of

> > > > Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed

> > > division of

> > > > 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

> > > > To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people

> is 'Tara'

> > > and

> > > > NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed

divisions "

> > from

> > > the

> > > > ancient past; and even in Vedas.

> > > > Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first

> > > referring

> > > > to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc;

> NOT

> > to

> > > any

> > > > stars or constellations.

> > > >

> > > > To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We

will

> > > discuss

> > > > the opinion difference and present our argument with

> supporting

> > > > evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for

the 'Truth'

> as

> > > you

> > > > mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by

their

> > > own.

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " magnolia_flora "

> > > > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also

consteallations

> > like

> > > 12

> > > > > Rashis.

> > > > >

> > > > > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all

> those

> > > 27

> > > > > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there

in

> > > these 27

> > > > > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

> > > > >

> > > > > It will be a great help to me to understand.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 22, 2007

dear sreenadh ji, sorry for interfering in your thread but isnt there 28 stars ( 27 + abhijeet nakshatara ) ,why is not abhijeet ( vega) not taken into consideration now a days.what significance does this abhijjet nakshatara have in astrology. please clarify, regards , Kumar M.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Magnolia ji,==>> I am really interested to know the imaginary (vedic) construction > of these constellations. And learn about all 27

nakshatras with > their shapes and number of stars in each constellation. Is there > any authentic list for that? Does someone know about this?<==I cannot give you the modern scientific name of these stars, or other such details - because I am not an authority on the same. But of course I can give you info such as -* the names of these stars and their meaning* a brief description of the change in names and the possible reason for such changes* The number of stars in case when stars in specific constellations are referenced (as per later books) etc.But this much info in not as simple as can be answered spontaneously, since it takes effort to prepare a detailed answer. I am not currently free now, I will keep your question in mind and as and when I get free time I will try to prepare a document that answers this question in detail and try to upload it in the group. Of course there could be other

members as well in the group who could answer the same question, you may wait for an answer from them as well. Love,Sreenadh , "magnolia_flora" <magnoflora wrote:>> Dear Shreenadhji,> > Anyway, now you are atleast agreeing with me that these taras are > not imaginary but are real constellations, which are existing upon > this sky. That was my intention of question. The Astological > approach to calculate the perfect movement may have added or deleted > some of the stars. I am not at all arguing on that subject. But I am > really interested to know the imaginary (vedic) construction of > these constellations. And learn about all 27 nakshatras with their > shapes and number of stars in each constellation. Is there any

> authentic list for that? Does someone know about this?> > With respect.> Magnolia Flora> > , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Magnolia ji,> > The word "Nakshatra" has the sanskrit nirukti "Na Kherati iti > > Nakshatra" meaning "the one which does not move is termed > Nakshatra". > > In this sence the word "Nakshatra" always (whether it is 28 part > > division or 27 part division) refer to fixed divisions. In Vedas > this > > word is ALWAYS used to refer to such fixed divisions only. When > ever > > they had to refer to stars they have used the > words "Tara", "Rksha" > > etc. > > 28 part unequal division of the Lunar Path> >

---------> > Intially the Vedas used the 28 unequal division of the LUNAR PATH > > (the path of Moon). > > * These divisions were unequal in area they covered.> > * All the "Yoga Taras" (and the major stars in the > constellations > > those names can indicate) were within those UNEQAL divisions. > > The 28 part division came into existence because the Moon takes > 27 > > 1/3 days to make a complete circle around earth. Thus one of these > > divisions (i.e. Abhijit) covered very less area only. > > > > 27 part equal division of the Ecliptic> > -----> > Due to preferences in Moon's motion this became 28 part unequal > > division of Lunar Path became unreliable, and thus originate the > > system of using equal 27

divisions, by associating the the > divisions > > with the ECLIPTIC instead of LUNAR PATH. When the divisions become > > equal (covering 13 degree 20 min each) and got associated with > > ECLIPTIC, the words that were used also to denote the Yogataras > that > > were falling with in the 28 part division lost their meaning; they > > became simple NAMES of each division. > > * These divisions were equal in area they covered; i.e. 13 > degree > > 20 min each.> > * Some of the "Yoga Taras" of the earlier unequal division > became > > outside these divisions.> > * The division Abhijit used earlier was dropped from the list. > > * This was a better scientific approach to have a FIXED FRAME > WORK > > basd on which the sky could be studied. In this co-ordinate system > > the line joining the ecliptic with

the First point of Aswini > > (Aswinyadi) becomes the Y-Axis and the Ecliptic becomes the X-Axis.> > > > Value and Relevence of Nakshatra names and their meaning> > -------------------------> > Even though after the 27 equal part division, the Nakshatra > names > > has one name sake importance; those names help us understand the > > scientific understanding with which they usually named > the "Taras". > > This applies not only to the names of stars this Nakshtra names > could > > refer but also to other stars such as "Trisanku", "Dhruva", "Sapta > > Rksha" etc as well. For example - > > * Rohini derives its name from the word "Lohita" which means Red. > As > > you may know Rohini is an ancient star, a read gaint. > > * The same is true about

"Jyeshta" (the oldest or the eldest). > This > > too is a red giant.> > * "Moola" refers to the "Root" (of the Galaxy) Milky way (Akasa > > Ganga = the Ganges in the sky). "Moola Barhini" was the older name > > for this star; which means "that which expands from a root like a > > spiral". > > * Bharani derives its name from the word "Apa Bharani" (it was > the > > name used earlier, as mentioned in Vedas), indicating the presence > of > > Apa (=Water). That means, once rainy season must have been > associated > > withthis star.> > * Aswini as you mentioned "Horse Faced" or "Horse Head". Because > > this was a star at the head of a constellation for which the vedic > > people imagined the shape of a horse. > > * Krittika refers to Blade that is used to cut hear etc; i.e. > > Scissor like shape.

This is one of the stars in constellation for > > which the ancients imagined the shape of a scissor. This group > > contains 6 or more stars.> > In the same way we can understand a great deal about the > > understanding of the Vedic people about the sky from those names. > As > > mentioned earlier this is not limited to earlier Yogatara names > > alone. The other star names such as "Trisanku", "Dhruva" etc can > also > > impart much knowledge to us about their understanding.> > > > It should also be remembered that in the long history of Vedas > the > > names of several stars changed. Some examples would be the earlier > > names used such as "Elvala", "Bahu" etc. Just have a primary study > > and try to understand -> > * Which stars these names referred to? > > * Why their names changed? > > *

What was the relevance of the new names? etc.> > Such investigative study of the ancient knowledge is greatly > > interesting and is sure to impart much knowledge. > > Hope the point is clear.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "magnolia_flora" > > <magnoflora@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Shreenadh,> > > If it is like as you wrote, then tell me about "Nakshatra > Suktha" > > > mentioned Vedas. Do you agree that all the 27 names are there in > > > Vedas or not? If it is there in Vedas, then what are the > meanings > > of > > > those names? Example:Ashwini=Horse Faced, Bharani= Womb, Rohini= > > > Ratha Krittika=Cropper Blade Mrigashira=Head

of deer etc.> > > > > > Why these different shapes has been given and characteristics > > > mentioned if they are not constellations?> > > > > > With Regards> > > Magnolia Flora> > > , "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear magnoflora ji,> > > > The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS > using > > > the > > > > words Rasis or Nakshatras.> > > > As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal > > division > > > of > > > > the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the first > > point > > > of > > > > Aries and Aswini

Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed > > > division of > > > > 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra. > > > > To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people > is 'Tara' > > > and > > > > NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to "fixed divisions" > > from > > > the > > > > ancient past; and even in Vedas.> > > > Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to "Area of sky"; the first > > > referring > > > > to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc; > NOT > > to > > > any > > > > stars or constellations.> > > > > > > > To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We will > > > discuss > > > > the opinion difference and present our argument with >

supporting > > > > evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for the 'Truth' > as > > > you > > > > mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by their > > > own. > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > , "magnolia_flora" > > > > <magnoflora@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Sir,> > > > > > > > > > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also consteallations > > like > > > 12 > > > > > Rashis.> > > > > > > > > > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all > those

> > > 27 > > > > > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there in > > > these 27 > > > > > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)> > > > > > > > > > It will be a great help to me to understand.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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August 22, 2007

Dear Kumar ji,

==>

> why is not abhijeet ( vega) not taken into consideration now a days

<==

This question is already answered in one of my previous mail to

magnoflora ji - Read it. To add to it, the star 'Abhijit' is located

far away from ecliptic as well.

==>

> what significance does this abhijjet nakshatara have in astrology.

<==

From the ancient past the Muhurtas gets associated with Nakshatras.

One of the Muhurata is of the name Abhijit. Thus in the selection of

Muhurta Abhijit Nakshatra and the nature assigned to it comes into

play; and thus it becomes a bit important in Muhurta selection.

Of course there are some other instances as well in which Abhijit

and the nature assigned to it are considered; though not much

relevant. For example -

* In several Chakras used for predictionn by some astrologers.

* By some in predictive astrology to fine tune the results ascribed

to 4th quarter of Uttrada.

All bits and pieces, part of the old history of 28th part division

of the LUNAR Path.

Love,

Sreenadh

, hit man

<hit_man334 wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji,

> sorry for interfering in your thread but isnt there 28 stars ( 27

+ abhijeet nakshatara ) ,why is not abhijeet ( vega) not taken into

consideration now a days.what significance does this abhijjet

nakshatara have in astrology.

> please clarify,

> regards ,

> Kumar M.

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Magnolia ji,

> ==>

> > I am really interested to know the imaginary (vedic) construction

> > of these constellations. And learn about all 27 nakshatras with

> > their shapes and number of stars in each constellation. Is there

> > any authentic list for that? Does someone know about this?

> <==

> I cannot give you the modern scientific name of these stars, or

> other such details - because I am not an authority on the same. But

> of course I can give you info such as -

> * the names of these stars and their meaning

> * a brief description of the change in names and the possible

reason

> for such changes

> * The number of stars in case when stars in specific constellations

> are referenced (as per later books) etc.

>

> But this much info in not as simple as can be answered

> spontaneously, since it takes effort to prepare a detailed answer.

I

> am not currently free now, I will keep your question in mind and as

> and when I get free time I will try to prepare a document that

> answers this question in detail and try to upload it in the group.

Of

> course there could be other members as well in the group who could

> answer the same question, you may wait for an answer from them as

> well.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " magnolia_flora "

> <magnoflora@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadhji,

> >

> > Anyway, now you are atleast agreeing with me that these taras are

> > not imaginary but are real constellations, which are existing

upon

> > this sky. That was my intention of question. The Astological

> > approach to calculate the perfect movement may have added or

> deleted

> > some of the stars. I am not at all arguing on that subject. But I

> am

> > really interested to know the imaginary (vedic) construction of

> > these constellations. And learn about all 27 nakshatras with

their

> > shapes and number of stars in each constellation. Is there any

> > authentic list for that? Does someone know about this?

> >

> > With respect.

> > Magnolia Flora

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Magnolia ji,

> > > The word " Nakshatra " has the sanskrit nirukti " Na Kherati iti

> > > Nakshatra " meaning " the one which does not move is termed

> > Nakshatra " .

> > > In this sence the word " Nakshatra " always (whether it is 28

part

> > > division or 27 part division) refer to fixed divisions. In

Vedas

> > this

> > > word is ALWAYS used to refer to such fixed divisions only. When

> > ever

> > > they had to refer to stars they have used the

> > words " Tara " , " Rksha "

> > > etc.

> > > 28 part unequal division of the Lunar Path

> > > ---------

> > > Intially the Vedas used the 28 unequal division of the LUNAR

> PATH

> > > (the path of Moon).

> > > * These divisions were unequal in area they covered.

> > > * All the " Yoga Taras " (and the major stars in the

> > constellations

> > > those names can indicate) were within those UNEQAL divisions.

> > > The 28 part division came into existence because the Moon takes

> > 27

> > > 1/3 days to make a complete circle around earth. Thus one of

> these

> > > divisions (i.e. Abhijit) covered very less area only.

> > >

> > > 27 part equal division of the Ecliptic

> > > -----

> > > Due to preferences in Moon's motion this became 28 part unequal

> > > division of Lunar Path became unreliable, and thus originate

the

> > > system of using equal 27 divisions, by associating the the

> > divisions

> > > with the ECLIPTIC instead of LUNAR PATH. When the divisions

> become

> > > equal (covering 13 degree 20 min each) and got associated with

> > > ECLIPTIC, the words that were used also to denote the Yogataras

> > that

> > > were falling with in the 28 part division lost their meaning;

> they

> > > became simple NAMES of each division.

> > > * These divisions were equal in area they covered; i.e. 13

> > degree

> > > 20 min each.

> > > * Some of the " Yoga Taras " of the earlier unequal division

> > became

> > > outside these divisions.

> > > * The division Abhijit used earlier was dropped from the list.

> > > * This was a better scientific approach to have a FIXED FRAME

> > WORK

> > > basd on which the sky could be studied. In this co-ordinate

> system

> > > the line joining the ecliptic with the First point of Aswini

> > > (Aswinyadi) becomes the Y-Axis and the Ecliptic becomes the X-

> Axis.

> > >

> > > Value and Relevence of Nakshatra names and their meaning

> > > -------------------------

> > > Even though after the 27 equal part division, the Nakshatra

> > names

> > > has one name sake importance; those names help us understand

the

> > > scientific understanding with which they usually named

> > the " Taras " .

> > > This applies not only to the names of stars this Nakshtra names

> > could

> > > refer but also to other stars such

> as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " , " Sapta

> > > Rksha " etc as well. For example -

> > > * Rohini derives its name from the word " Lohita " which means

> Red.

> > As

> > > you may know Rohini is an ancient star, a read gaint.

> > > * The same is true about " Jyeshta " (the oldest or the eldest).

> > This

> > > too is a red giant.

> > > * " Moola " refers to the " Root " (of the Galaxy) Milky way (Akasa

> > > Ganga = the Ganges in the sky). " Moola Barhini " was the older

> name

> > > for this star; which means " that which expands from a root like

a

> > > spiral " .

> > > * Bharani derives its name from the word " Apa Bharani " (it was

> > the

> > > name used earlier, as mentioned in Vedas), indicating the

> presence

> > of

> > > Apa (=Water). That means, once rainy season must have been

> > associated

> > > withthis star.

> > > * Aswini as you mentioned " Horse Faced " or " Horse Head " .

Because

> > > this was a star at the head of a constellation for which the

> vedic

> > > people imagined the shape of a horse.

> > > * Krittika refers to Blade that is used to cut hear etc; i.e.

> > > Scissor like shape. This is one of the stars in constellation

for

> > > which the ancients imagined the shape of a scissor. This group

> > > contains 6 or more stars.

> > > In the same way we can understand a great deal about the

> > > understanding of the Vedic people about the sky from those

names.

> > As

> > > mentioned earlier this is not limited to earlier Yogatara names

> > > alone. The other star names such as " Trisanku " , " Dhruva " etc

can

> > also

> > > impart much knowledge to us about their understanding.

> > >

> > > It should also be remembered that in the long history of Vedas

> > the

> > > names of several stars changed. Some examples would be the

> earlier

> > > names used such as " Elvala " , " Bahu " etc. Just have a primary

> study

> > > and try to understand -

> > > * Which stars these names referred to?

> > > * Why their names changed?

> > > * What was the relevance of the new names? etc.

> > > Such investigative study of the ancient knowledge is greatly

> > > interesting and is sure to impart much knowledge.

> > > Hope the point is clear.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

, " magnolia_flora "

> > > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Shreenadh,

> > > > If it is like as you wrote, then tell me about " Nakshatra

> > Suktha "

> > > > mentioned Vedas. Do you agree that all the 27 names are there

> in

> > > > Vedas or not? If it is there in Vedas, then what are the

> > meanings

> > > of

> > > > those names? Example:Ashwini=Horse Faced, Bharani= Womb,

> Rohini=

> > > > Ratha Krittika=Cropper Blade Mrigashira=Head of deer etc.

> > > >

> > > > Why these different shapes has been given and characteristics

> > > > mentioned if they are not constellations?

> > > >

> > > > With Regards

> > > > Magnolia Flora

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear magnoflora ji,

> > > > > The Indian system in NOT refering to the CONSTALLATIONS

> > using

> > > > the

> > > > > words Rasis or Nakshatras.

> > > > > As per indian astrology, Rasis refer to 30 Degree Equal

> > > division

> > > > of

> > > > > the Zodiac; Fixed divisions starting from the from the

first

> > > point

> > > > of

> > > > > Aries and Aswini Nakshatra. Similarly Nakshatra means fixed

> > > > division of

> > > > > 13 degree 20 minute each, starting from Aswini Nakshatra.

> > > > > To refer to the stars the word used by ancient people

> > is 'Tara'

> > > > and

> > > > > NOT Nakshatra. Nakshatra always referred to " fixed

divisions "

> > > from

> > > > the

> > > > > ancient past; and even in Vedas.

> > > > > Thus Rasi and Nakshatra refer to " Area of sky " ; the first

> > > > referring

> > > > > to 30 degree arc and the second to 13 degree 20 minute arc;

> > NOT

> > > to

> > > > any

> > > > > stars or constellations.

> > > > >

> > > > > To Kaul ji: Please don't intercept this conversation; We

will

> > > > discuss

> > > > > the opinion difference and present our argument with

> > supporting

> > > > > evidence in this forum it self. Let us search for

the 'Truth'

> > as

> > > > you

> > > > > mentioned. But let the small independent threads go by

their

> > > > own.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " magnolia_flora "

> > > > > <magnoflora@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure that these 27 Nakshatras are also

consteallations

> > > like

> > > > 12

> > > > > > Rashis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But is there any perfect scientific table to discribe all

> > those

> > > > 27

> > > > > > Ashwini, Bharani, etc? Really of how many stars are there

> in

> > > > these 27

> > > > > > Nakshatras? (For example Krittika is having 6 stars.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It will be a great help to me to understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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August 22, 2007

Dear Friends ,

A sory goes in th puranas ( I do not remember where I read it ) that earlier Abhijit was the nakshatra on the ecliptic and Krittika was not . Much later Abhijit was reduced and Krittika came it .

Secondly the Abhijit Muhurta is the one straddles the mid noon considered auspicious for all work .

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Anand

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