Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Dear members, Namaskar! I have been going through the correspondence on the above topic with a sense of beweilderment! As a matter of fact, it is immaterial as to when one celebrates Thai and Anni etc. etc. or even Makara, Kumbha etc. etc. for that matter, since it all dependes on whether one is a Lahiri Bhakta or Ramana Bhakta or Surya Sidhanta Bhakta or Kharegat Bhakta or even Grahalaghava Bhakta etc. etc. It is also an open secret that Rashtriya Panchanga is a synonym of Lahiri Panchanga! In other words, even the GOI Panchanga is a Lahiri Bhakta! But what cannot brook any confusion is the astronomical as well scriptural fact that Uttarayana starts on the shortest day of the year and Dakshinayana on the longest day of the year -- which is around December 21 and June 21 respectively these days! In plain English language these two phenoemena are known as Winter Solstice and Summer Solstice! All the Puranas, whether the Shiva or Skanda or Bhagavata etc. etc., especially the Vishnu and Vishnudharmotara Purana, have stated catagorically that the shortest day of the year is to be known as Makar Sankranti and the longest day as Karkata Sankranti! You can thus say that these sankrantis are so called sayana i.e. tropical but then we get into a direct conflict with the nakshatras since Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras cannot be clubbed with the so called Sayana Mesha etc. Rashis. As such, Makar etc. Rashis are misnomers for these phenomena! The month of scriptural Adi should thus have started actually on June 21, 2007, when the Vedic month of Nabhah started and the month of scriptural Thai will thus start on December 22, 2007, with the start of Vedic month Tapah. Obviously, Dakshinayana will last during those six months i.e. June 21 to December 22, 2007. Adi is knwon as Karkata and Thai as Makara in Kerala and other parts of India including Karnataka and Andhra. Thus it is not only Tamilnadu but Kerala, Andhra, Karnataka, in fact the whole of India, that is celebrating all the festivals and muhrutas on wrong days! Needless to say that predictive astrologers, who call themselves Vedic astrologers, even if they cannot read a single line of any of the Vedas, are responsible for this mayhem! It is said that doing injustice is criminal but then it is also said that suffering injustice silently is more criminal than that! How long are you going to pander to the whims and fancies of these Lahiris and Ramans and Kharegats etc. etc. even for celebrating your festivals on correct days! With regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul PS For a thorough discussion on such a vital topic, I suggest you log on to HinduCalendar AKK! hinducivilization , " Karuppan C Chockalingam " <chockalingam2002@> wrote: > > Dear Sampath, > > So Aani- Aadi is in the cusp of Dhaksinayana-Uttrayana divide? Is it > possible that it could be included in either side? > > Regards, > Chocka > > hinducivilization , " S Sampath " > <sampath_srinivasaraghavan@> wrote: > > > > As per tamil panchangam, the period 'thai' to 'aani' is uttarayana, and > > 'aadi' to 'margazhi' is 'dakshinayana'. That is how it is said in the > > 'sankalpam'. It is not where the sun is, but in which direction it is > > moving, decides, I think. > > Sampath > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, ==> > All the Puranas, whether the Shiva or Skanda or Bhagavata etc. > etc., especially the Vishnu and Vishnudharmotara Purana, have > stated catagorically that the shortest day of the year is to be > known as Makar Sankranti and the longest day as Karkata Sankranti! <== Can you provide the relevent quotes (mentioned in the above statement) to me as a single document? I would be thankful to you, if you could do the same. If the above is right, you are right in stating that - ==> > You can thus say that these sankrantis are so called sayana i.e. > tropical but then we get into a direct conflict with the nakshatras > since Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras cannot be clubbed with the so > called Sayana Mesha etc. Rashis. <== Yes, of course – the argument tract is absolutely right. Because there is no proof that Nakshatras were ever Sayana - Not even in Vedas! It is the strongest stumbling block against your arguments in favor of Tropical zodiac. Yes, it is a subject to be studied in detail. Love, Sreenadh , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > jyotirved@ wrote:> > Dear members,> Namaskar!> I have been going through the correspondence on the above topic with > a sense of beweilderment! > > As a matter of fact, it is immaterial as to when one celebrates Thai > and Anni etc. etc. or even Makara, Kumbha etc. etc. for that matter, > since it all dependes on whether one is a Lahiri Bhakta or Ramana > Bhakta or Surya Sidhanta Bhakta or Kharegat Bhakta or even > Grahalaghava Bhakta etc. etc. It is also an open secret that > Rashtriya Panchanga is a synonym of Lahiri Panchanga! In other > words, even the GOI Panchanga is a Lahiri Bhakta! But what cannot > brook any confusion is the astronomical as well scriptural fact that > Uttarayana starts on the shortest day of the year and Dakshinayana > on the longest day of the year -- which is around December 21 and > June 21 respectively these days! In plain English language these > two phenoemena are known as Winter Solstice and Summer Solstice!> All the Puranas, whether the Shiva or Skanda or Bhagavata etc. etc., > especially the Vishnu and Vishnudharmotara Purana, have stated > catagorically that the shortest day of the year is to be known as > Makar Sankranti and the longest day as Karkata Sankranti!> > You can thus say that these sankrantis are so called sayana i.e. > tropical but then we get into a direct conflict with the nakshatras > since Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras cannot be clubbed with the so > called Sayana Mesha etc. Rashis. As such, Makar etc. Rashis are > misnomers for these phenomena! > > The month of scriptural Adi should thus have started actually on > June 21, 2007, when the Vedic month of Nabhah started and the month > of scriptural Thai will thus start on December 22, 2007, with the > start of Vedic month Tapah. Obviously, Dakshinayana will last > during those six months i.e. June 21 to December 22, 2007.> > Adi is knwon as Karkata and Thai as Makara in Kerala and other parts > of India including Karnataka and Andhra. Thus it is not only > Tamilnadu but Kerala, Andhra, Karnataka, in fact the whole of India, > that is celebrating all the festivals and muhrutas on wrong days!> > Needless to say that predictive astrologers, who call themselves > Vedic astrologers, even if they cannot read a single line of any of > the Vedas, are responsible for this mayhem!> > It is said that doing injustice is criminal but then it is also said > that suffering injustice silently is more criminal than that! How > long are you going to pander to the whims and fancies of these > Lahiris and Ramans and Kharegats etc. etc. even for celebrating your > festivals on correct days!> With regards,> Avtar Krishen Kaul> > PS> For a thorough discussion on such a vital topic, I suggest you log > on to > HinduCalendar> AKK! > > hinducivilization , "Karuppan C Chockalingam" > <chockalingam2002@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sampath,> > > > So Aani- Aadi is in the cusp of Dhaksinayana-Uttrayana divide? Is > it> > possible that it could be included in either side?> > > > Regards,> > Chocka> > > > hinducivilization , "S Sampath"> > <sampath_srinivasaraghavan@> wrote:> > >> > > As per tamil panchangam, the period 'thai' to 'aani' is > uttarayana, and> > > 'aadi' to 'margazhi' is 'dakshinayana'. That is how it is said > in the> > > 'sankalpam'. It is not where the sun is, but in which direction > it is> > > moving, decides, I think.> > > Sampath> >> > --- End forwarded message ---> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Shri Sreenadhji, Namaskar! I am uploading a copule of files viz. 199b.doc and BVB6.doc in the files section. Both these files, epecially the 1999b.doc contain all the references together with relevant original Sanskrit shlokas and their meanings in English from the Vedas, Upanishadas, Brahmanas and Puranas etc. that prove conclusively that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days. In fact both these files, besides many other similar files, are already available at HinduCalendar forum. I am also uploading K010 and K014 fonts. These are required for deciphering the original Sanskrit mantras in Devanagri script contained in the two articles. If you do not succeed with these fonts, please let me know since maybe I had originally composed them in Narad or New Delhi etc. fonts in 1998. I shall try to upload those fonts then. Most of these articles especially 199b.doc are taken from my " Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeirs & Panchang " from 1997 to 2001 and perhaps some copies of the same may still be available with the bookshop at Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, K G Marg, New Delhi-110001. As an alternative, you can borrow those books from your friend Shri Chandra Hari who has all the panchangas I had published. With regards, A K Kaul , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Kaul ji, > > ==> > > > All the Puranas, whether the Shiva or Skanda or Bhagavata etc. > > > etc., especially the Vishnu and Vishnudharmotara Purana, have > > > stated catagorically that the shortest day of the year is to be > > > known as Makar Sankranti and the longest day as Karkata Sankranti! > > <== > > Can you provide the relevent quotes (mentioned in the above statement) > to me as a single document? I would be thankful to you, if you could do > the same. > > > > If the above is right, you are right in stating that - > > > > ==> > > > You can thus say that these sankrantis are so called sayana i.e. > > > tropical but then we get into a direct conflict with the nakshatras > > > since Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras cannot be clubbed with the so > > > called Sayana Mesha etc. Rashis. > > <== > > Yes, of course – the argument tract is absolutely right. Because > there is no proof that Nakshatras were ever Sayana - Not even in Vedas! > It is the strongest stumbling block against your arguments in favor of > Tropical zodiac. Yes, it is a subject to be studied in detail. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > Dear members, > > Namaskar! > > I have been going through the correspondence on the above topic with > > a sense of beweilderment! > > > > As a matter of fact, it is immaterial as to when one celebrates Thai > > and Anni etc. etc. or even Makara, Kumbha etc. etc. for that matter, > > since it all dependes on whether one is a Lahiri Bhakta or Ramana > > Bhakta or Surya Sidhanta Bhakta or Kharegat Bhakta or even > > Grahalaghava Bhakta etc. etc. It is also an open secret that > > Rashtriya Panchanga is a synonym of Lahiri Panchanga! In other > > words, even the GOI Panchanga is a Lahiri Bhakta! But what cannot > > brook any confusion is the astronomical as well scriptural fact that > > Uttarayana starts on the shortest day of the year and Dakshinayana > > on the longest day of the year -- which is around December 21 and > > June 21 respectively these days! In plain English language these > > two phenoemena are known as Winter Solstice and Summer Solstice! > > All the Puranas, whether the Shiva or Skanda or Bhagavata etc. etc., > > especially the Vishnu and Vishnudharmotara Purana, have stated > > catagorically that the shortest day of the year is to be known as > > Makar Sankranti and the longest day as Karkata Sankranti! > > > > You can thus say that these sankrantis are so called sayana i.e. > > tropical but then we get into a direct conflict with the nakshatras > > since Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras cannot be clubbed with the so > > called Sayana Mesha etc. Rashis. As such, Makar etc. Rashis are > > misnomers for these phenomena! > > > > The month of scriptural Adi should thus have started actually on > > June 21, 2007, when the Vedic month of Nabhah started and the month > > of scriptural Thai will thus start on December 22, 2007, with the > > start of Vedic month Tapah. Obviously, Dakshinayana will last > > during those six months i.e. June 21 to December 22, 2007. > > > > Adi is knwon as Karkata and Thai as Makara in Kerala and other parts > > of India including Karnataka and Andhra. Thus it is not only > > Tamilnadu but Kerala, Andhra, Karnataka, in fact the whole of India, > > that is celebrating all the festivals and muhrutas on wrong days! > > > > Needless to say that predictive astrologers, who call themselves > > Vedic astrologers, even if they cannot read a single line of any of > > the Vedas, are responsible for this mayhem! > > > > It is said that doing injustice is criminal but then it is also said > > that suffering injustice silently is more criminal than that! How > > long are you going to pander to the whims and fancies of these > > Lahiris and Ramans and Kharegats etc. etc. even for celebrating your > > festivals on correct days! > > With regards, > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > > PS > > For a thorough discussion on such a vital topic, I suggest you log > > on to > > HinduCalendar > > AKK! > > > > hinducivilization , " Karuppan C Chockalingam " > > <chockalingam2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sampath, > > > > > > So Aani- Aadi is in the cusp of Dhaksinayana-Uttrayana divide? Is > > it > > > possible that it could be included in either side? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chocka > > > > > > hinducivilization , " S Sampath " > > > <sampath_srinivasaraghavan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > As per tamil panchangam, the period 'thai' to 'aani' is > > uttarayana, and > > > > 'aadi' to 'margazhi' is 'dakshinayana'. That is how it is said > > in the > > > > 'sankalpam'. It is not where the sun is, but in which direction > > it is > > > > moving, decides, I think. > > > > Sampath > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, Thanks for the files, I will go through them. ==> > As an alternative, you can borrow those books from your friend Shri > Chandra Hari who has all the panchangas I had published. <== There is a better alternative - I am in Delhi and I would be I would be 'attacking' your home in Rohini on some weekend as a 'surprise attack'. Expect it soon and beware! ha ha... Hope you won't mind. Chandrahari? - He is a mess!! Like you and he too is after several things - and I think will soon come up with good results.. I am waiting to see the results of his new efforts and give my share of hugs.. By the way as I have mentioned in the article posted in this and your forum on `Aryabhata' he has come up with some good results regarding the Life history of Aryabhata, his place of birth and work, the related history etc based on historical evidence, astronomy, statements in Aryabhateeya, logic etc. That is pretty good long article which is waiting for publication in some scientific magazine. That is why I am not posting it on this group (He has already shared the article with me, and it already got published in Malayalam). Once the article is published in English, I will upload it here in the files section of the group, with his permission. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > Shri Sreenadhji, > Namaskar! > I am uploading a copule of files viz. 199b.doc and BVB6.doc in the > files section. Both these files, epecially the 1999b.doc contain > all the references together with relevant original Sanskrit shlokas > and their meanings in English from the Vedas, Upanishadas, Brahmanas > and Puranas etc. that prove conclusively that we are celebrating all > our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days. In fact both these files, > besides many other similar files, are already available at > HinduCalendar forum. > I am also uploading K010 and K014 fonts. These are required for > deciphering the original Sanskrit mantras in Devanagri script > contained in the two articles. If you do not succeed with these > fonts, please let me know since maybe I had originally composed them > in Narad or New Delhi etc. fonts in 1998. I shall try to upload > those fonts then. > Most of these articles especially 199b.doc are taken from my " Shri > Krishen Universal Ephemeirs & Panchang " from 1997 to 2001 and > perhaps some copies of the same may still be available with the > bookshop at Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, K G Marg, New Delhi-110001. As > an alternative, you can borrow those books from your friend Shri > Chandra Hari who has all the panchangas I had published. > > With regards, > A K Kaul > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kaul ji, > > > > ==> > > > > > All the Puranas, whether the Shiva or Skanda or Bhagavata etc. > > > > > etc., especially the Vishnu and Vishnudharmotara Purana, have > > > > > stated catagorically that the shortest day of the year is to be > > > > > known as Makar Sankranti and the longest day as Karkata > Sankranti! > > > > <== > > > > Can you provide the relevent quotes (mentioned in the above > statement) > > to me as a single document? I would be thankful to you, if you > could do > > the same. > > > > > > > > If the above is right, you are right in stating that - > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > You can thus say that these sankrantis are so called sayana i.e. > > > > > tropical but then we get into a direct conflict with the > nakshatras > > > > > since Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras cannot be clubbed with the > so > > > > > called Sayana Mesha etc. Rashis. > > > > <== > > > > Yes, of course – the argument tract is absolutely right. Because > > there is no proof that Nakshatras were ever Sayana - Not even in > Vedas! > > It is the strongest stumbling block against your arguments in > favor of > > Tropical zodiac. Yes, it is a subject to be studied in detail. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen > Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear members, > > > Namaskar! > > > I have been going through the correspondence on the above topic > with > > > a sense of beweilderment! > > > > > > As a matter of fact, it is immaterial as to when one celebrates > Thai > > > and Anni etc. etc. or even Makara, Kumbha etc. etc. for that > matter, > > > since it all dependes on whether one is a Lahiri Bhakta or Ramana > > > Bhakta or Surya Sidhanta Bhakta or Kharegat Bhakta or even > > > Grahalaghava Bhakta etc. etc. It is also an open secret that > > > Rashtriya Panchanga is a synonym of Lahiri Panchanga! In other > > > words, even the GOI Panchanga is a Lahiri Bhakta! But what cannot > > > brook any confusion is the astronomical as well scriptural fact > that > > > Uttarayana starts on the shortest day of the year and > Dakshinayana > > > on the longest day of the year -- which is around December 21 and > > > June 21 respectively these days! In plain English language these > > > two phenoemena are known as Winter Solstice and Summer Solstice! > > > All the Puranas, whether the Shiva or Skanda or Bhagavata etc. > etc., > > > especially the Vishnu and Vishnudharmotara Purana, have stated > > > catagorically that the shortest day of the year is to be known as > > > Makar Sankranti and the longest day as Karkata Sankranti! > > > > > > You can thus say that these sankrantis are so called sayana i.e. > > > tropical but then we get into a direct conflict with the > nakshatras > > > since Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras cannot be clubbed with the > so > > > called Sayana Mesha etc. Rashis. As such, Makar etc. Rashis are > > > misnomers for these phenomena! > > > > > > The month of scriptural Adi should thus have started actually on > > > June 21, 2007, when the Vedic month of Nabhah started and the > month > > > of scriptural Thai will thus start on December 22, 2007, with the > > > start of Vedic month Tapah. Obviously, Dakshinayana will last > > > during those six months i.e. June 21 to December 22, 2007. > > > > > > Adi is knwon as Karkata and Thai as Makara in Kerala and other > parts > > > of India including Karnataka and Andhra. Thus it is not only > > > Tamilnadu but Kerala, Andhra, Karnataka, in fact the whole of > India, > > > that is celebrating all the festivals and muhrutas on wrong days! > > > > > > Needless to say that predictive astrologers, who call themselves > > > Vedic astrologers, even if they cannot read a single line of any > of > > > the Vedas, are responsible for this mayhem! > > > > > > It is said that doing injustice is criminal but then it is also > said > > > that suffering injustice silently is more criminal than that! How > > > long are you going to pander to the whims and fancies of these > > > Lahiris and Ramans and Kharegats etc. etc. even for celebrating > your > > > festivals on correct days! > > > With regards, > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > > > > PS > > > For a thorough discussion on such a vital topic, I suggest you > log > > > on to > > > HinduCalendar > > > AKK! > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Karuppan C > Chockalingam " > > > <chockalingam2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sampath, > > > > > > > > So Aani- Aadi is in the cusp of Dhaksinayana-Uttrayana divide? > Is > > > it > > > > possible that it could be included in either side? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chocka > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " S Sampath " > > > > <sampath_srinivasaraghavan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As per tamil panchangam, the period 'thai' to 'aani' is > > > uttarayana, and > > > > > 'aadi' to 'margazhi' is 'dakshinayana'. That is how it is > said > > > in the > > > > > 'sankalpam'. It is not where the sun is, but in which > direction > > > it is > > > > > moving, decides, I think. > > > > > Sampath > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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