Group Statisctics - Are you a pessimist or optimist? ;)

[Guest guest]

Dear All, I was just going through our group membership statistics - some brief observations follows: Founded: Apr 3, 2006 Age: 1 Year 5 Months

Total individuals took membership: 664 Current Members: 608 Members Unsubscibed : 56

Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43

i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words Seven out of Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you find it negative or positive ? Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40

Messages:---------Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217Average Number of Messages per month: 130Average Number of Messages per Day: 4Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory? If not what can we do to imporve it?

Questions:---------- * What are your observations and suggestions based on the above data? * What do you feel about the group and its approach? * If we need to change what are the suggestions for improvement?

Love,Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

I have been a member of few groups and notice that the groups with the highest

membership are those that also offer free consultations. But there have been

some

problems because of these services...and there were situations when things got

way out of

control. Whereas this group is focused on scholarly discussion of vedic

astrology. There

are less of these people around in the forums than the seekers of predictions.

Also the

standard at which one can participate in discussions here are not for novices

like me. I

have friends who had sought help for their problems in other groups but that is

where

astrology ends for them...due to other constraints in life or lack of interest

to learn. In my

opinion I think it is quite an achievement for the group to not lose sight of

it's purpose

and not give in to any deviations. There is a certain standard the group had

established

since its inception. Although it would be good if there is an increase in

membership but I

hope quality will not be compromised. I certainly like the direction the group

has taken but

I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.

 

Regards

 

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

> I was just going through our group membership statistics - some brief

> observations follows:

> Founded: Apr 3, 2006

> Age: 1 Year 5 Months

>

> Total individuals took membership: 664

> Current Members: 608

> Members Unsubscibed : 56

>

> Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43

>

> i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it

> unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words Seven out of

> Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you find it negative

> or positive ?

>

> Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40

>

> Messages:

> ---------

> Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217

> Average Number of Messages per month: 130

> Average Number of Messages per Day: 4

> Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory? If not what can

> we do to imporve it?

>

> Questions:

> ----------

> * What are your observations and suggestions based on the above data?

> * What do you feel about the group and its approach?

> * If we need to change what are the suggestions for improvement?

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna,

dear sreenath ji and sarayu ji

sarayuji u said the correct observation ,

sreenathji yes its quality matters not quantity ,so we can be proud of it

all the best in our groups performance,

with regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "sarayuid" <sarayuid wrote:>> I have been a member of few groups and notice that the groups with the highest > membership are those that also offer free consultations. But there have been some > problems because of these services...and there were situations when things got way out of > control. Whereas this group is focused on scholarly discussion of vedic astrology. There > are less of these people around in the forums than the seekers of predictions. Also the > standard at which one can participate in discussions here are not for novices like me. I > have friends who had sought help for their problems in other groups but that is where > astrology ends for them...due to other constraints in life or lack of interest to learn. In my > opinion I think it is quite an achievement for the group to not lose sight of it's purpose > and not give in to any deviations. There is a certain standard the group had established > since its inception. Although it would be good if there is an increase in membership but I > hope quality will not be compromised. I certainly like the direction the group has taken but > I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.> > Regards> > > , "Sreenadh" sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear All,> > I was just going through our group membership statistics - some brief> > observations follows:> > Founded: Apr 3, 2006> > Age: 1 Year 5 Months> > > > Total individuals took membership: 664> > Current Members: 608> > Members Unsubscibed : 56> > > > Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43> > > > i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it> > unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words Seven out of> > Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you find it negative> > or positive ?> > > > Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40> > > > Messages:> > ---------> > Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217> > Average Number of Messages per month: 130> > Average Number of Messages per Day: 4> > Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory? If not what can> > we do to imporve it?> > > > Questions:> > ----------> > * What are your observations and suggestions based on the above data?> > * What do you feel about the group and its approach?> > * If we need to change what are the suggestions for improvement?> > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sarayu ji and Sunil ji,

The two major points Sarayu ji

suggested were-

 

One: Although

it would be good if there is an increase in membership but I hope quality will

not be compromised.

 

Two: I certainly like the direction the group

has taken but I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.

 

As far as the first point is concerned:

I hope we can ensure that the quality of

the group won't be compromised, even when membership increases. As far as

increase in membership is concerned, I think inviting more people will result

in increase in membership - which can be achieved in a short span, at least

making the members at least 1000 in number.

 

One more point to notice is, even though some of the other astrology groups

have 5000+ or 7000 + members, an observation of the number of people

posting on the same shows that -

1) The number of new member are too few - as if those groups have

reached a stagnation.

2) The number of active members (who post regularly or at least occasionally)

is fixed in number. Every group has 20 to 30 members at max who post

regularly or at least occasionally and for others it is as if came, became a

member, once asked a question about his/her own horoscope, and then

onwards no interaction or active participation at all !!! It seems that most of

the members in those groups are rather once clients than students of astrology!

3) It seems that those groups are not even removing the non-active

as well as dead members for whom -

* The mails send from group are

regularly bouncing

* The account itself has been

disabled, or abandoned.

* The member never visited the group even once

* The member itself expired

and the mailid no more in use etc

But for our group I can ensure that there is currently no non

active accounts - i mean the accounts from which the mails would regularly

bounce. I always ensure removing such memberships (dead tissues ) so that we

can always be lively and vibrant - a growing child. As you have noticed, new

tissues (new members) emerge always in this group, with quality input. I think

there is no point in keeping such membership which can only be used to boast

about the number of memberships, which we don't want. I doubt the huge

memberships in some other groups are due to such inactive accounts rather than

due to live members. Another related point to notice is that if we visit

10 astrology groups, in most of the situation we will find the members in

the other group there as well! It seems that a minor community of members

(possibly less than 100) is members in most of the groups and posts everywhere.

I am not joking - just visit some groups and see it yourself.

We need quality input by circumventing this pitfall - and usual demerit.

 

As far as the Second point is concerned:

I would like to ask all the other members-

* Is there anyone who is ready to come up with a set of beginners

lessons of astrology?

* Is there anyone who can regularly post something that clarifies the beginners

doubts, and answer the connected questions?

If someone is ready to handle this task we all would be thankful to you.

Hope some of the members will come up with possible solutions and suggestions.

As far as I am concerned I will restrain from taking this task

myself, because in that case I won't be able to participate nor answer the

other questions which carry more weight, and also the fact remains that one man

can not do everything. The free time is limited and the tasks are plenty.

If Sarayu ji or Sunil ji can supplement this suggestion with possible

solutions and further suggestions it would be good, which may at the end cause

a nice solution to emerge.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

 

 

 

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > Hare rama krishna,> > dear sreenath ji and sarayu ji> > sarayuji u said the correct observation ,> > sreenathji yes its quality matters not quantity ,so we can be proud of> it> > all the best in our groups performance,> > with regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> , "sarayuid"> sarayuid@ wrote:> >> > I have been a member of few groups and notice that the groups with the> highest> > membership are those that also offer free consultations. But there> have been some> > problems because of these services...and there were situations when> things got way out of> > control. Whereas this group is focused on scholarly discussion of> vedic astrology. There> > are less of these people around in the forums than the seekers of> predictions. Also the> > standard at which one can participate in discussions here are not for> novices like me. I> > have friends who had sought help for their problems in other groups> but that is where> > astrology ends for them...due to other constraints in life or lack of> interest to learn. In my> > opinion I think it is quite an achievement for the group to not lose> sight of it's purpose> > and not give in to any deviations. There is a certain standard the> group had established> > since its inception. Although it would be good if there is an increase> in membership but I> > hope quality will not be compromised. I certainly like the direction> the group has taken but> > I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.> >> > Regards> >> >> > , "Sreenadh" sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I was just going through our group membership statistics - some> brief> > > observations follows:> > > Founded: Apr 3, 2006> > > Age: 1 Year 5 Months> > >> > > Total individuals took membership: 664> > > Current Members: 608> > > Members Unsubscibed : 56> > >> > > Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43> > >> > > i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it> > > unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words Seven out> of> > > Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you find it> negative> > > or positive ?> > >> > > Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40> > >> > > Messages:> > > ---------> > > Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217> > > Average Number of Messages per month: 130> > > Average Number of Messages per Day: 4> > > Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory? If not what> can> > > we do to imporve it?> > >> > > Questions:> > > ----------> > > * What are your observations and suggestions based on the above> data?> > > * What do you feel about the group and its approach?> > > * If we need to change what are the suggestions for improvement?> > >> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Srinadhji.....Could you please let me know what are the advantages of higher

membership

apart from gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new members. I would

like

to know this just out of curiosity...pardon me. How do you suggest we invite

more people?

All the obsevations you have written on account of other groups with highest

memberships are true. The suggestion about more latitude for beginners was done

because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process of

learning, someone

would be willing to answer the doubts(which might be obvious for the

experienced) posed

by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for anyone willing

to do this

and it can be quite cumbersome. I hope whoever volunteers to give beginners

lessons here

would consider whether it is time effective for them. I would also wish to know

what is

expected of students if someone is willing to offer lessons.

 

Regards

 

.. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sarayu ji and Sunil ji,

> The two major points Sarayu ji suggested were-

>

> One: Although it would be good if there is an increase in membership but

> I hope quality will not be compromised.

>

> Two: I certainly like the direction the group has taken but I wish there

> is more encouragement to beginners too.

>

> As far as the first point is concerned:

> I hope we can ensure that the quality of the group won't be

> compromised, even when membership increases. As far as increase in

> membership is concerned, I think inviting more people will result in

> increase in membership - which can be achieved in a short span, at least

> making the members at least 1000 in number.

>

> One more point to notice is, even though some of the other astrology

> groups have 5000+ or 7000 + members, an observation of the number of

> people posting on the same shows that -

> 1) The number of new member are too few - as if those groups have

> reached a stagnation.

> 2) The number of active members (who post regularly or at least

> occasionally) is fixed in number. Every group has 20 to 30 members at

> max who post regularly or at least occasionally and for others it is as

> if came, became a member, once asked a question about his/her own

> horoscope, and then onwards no interaction or active participation at

> all !!! It seems that most of the members in those groups are rather

> once clients than students of astrology!

> 3) It seems that those groups are not even removing the non-active as

> well as dead members for whom -

> * The mails send from group are regularly bouncing

> * The account itself has been disabled, or abandoned.

> * The member never visited the group even once

> * The member itself expired and the mailid no more in use etc

> But for our group I can ensure that there is currently no non active

> accounts - i mean the accounts from which the mails would regularly

> bounce. I always ensure removing such memberships (dead tissues ) so

> that we can always be lively and vibrant - a growing child. As you have

> noticed, new tissues (new members) emerge always in this group, with

> quality input. I think there is no point in keeping such membership

> which can only be used to boast about the number of memberships, which

> we don't want. I doubt the huge memberships in some other groups are

> due to such inactive accounts rather than due to live members. Another

> related point to notice is that if we visit 10 astrology groups,

> in most of the situation we will find the members in the other group

> there as well! It seems that a minor community of members (possibly less

> than 100) is members in most of the groups and posts everywhere. I

> am not joking - just visit some groups and see it yourself. We need

> quality input by circumventing this pitfall - and usual demerit.

>

> As far as the Second point is concerned:

> I would like to ask all the other members-

> * Is there anyone who is ready to come up with a set of beginners

> lessons of astrology?

> * Is there anyone who can regularly post something that clarifies the

> beginners doubts, and answer the connected questions?

> If someone is ready to handle this task we all would be thankful to

> you. Hope some of the members will come up with possible solutions and

> suggestions.

> As far as I am concerned I will restrain from taking this task

> myself, because in that case I won't be able to participate nor answer

> the other questions which carry more weight, and also the fact remains

> that one man can not do everything. The free time is limited and the

> tasks are plenty. If Sarayu ji or Sunil ji can supplement this

> suggestion with possible solutions and further suggestions it would be

> good, which may at the end cause a nice solution to emerge.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

>

>

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hare rama krishna,

> >

> > dear sreenath ji and sarayu ji

> >

> > sarayuji u said the correct observation ,

> >

> > sreenathji yes its quality matters not quantity ,so we can be proud of

> > it

> >

> > all the best in our groups performance,

> >

> > with regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > , " sarayuid "

> > sarayuid@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I have been a member of few groups and notice that the groups with

> the

> > highest

> > > membership are those that also offer free consultations. But there

> > have been some

> > > problems because of these services...and there were situations when

> > things got way out of

> > > control. Whereas this group is focused on scholarly discussion of

> > vedic astrology. There

> > > are less of these people around in the forums than the seekers of

> > predictions. Also the

> > > standard at which one can participate in discussions here are not

> for

> > novices like me. I

> > > have friends who had sought help for their problems in other groups

> > but that is where

> > > astrology ends for them...due to other constraints in life or lack

> of

> > interest to learn. In my

> > > opinion I think it is quite an achievement for the group to not lose

> > sight of it's purpose

> > > and not give in to any deviations. There is a certain standard the

> > group had established

> > > since its inception. Although it would be good if there is an

> increase

> > in membership but I

> > > hope quality will not be compromised. I certainly like the direction

> > the group has taken but

> > > I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh " sreesog@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > I was just going through our group membership statistics - some

> > brief

> > > > observations follows:

> > > > Founded: Apr 3, 2006

> > > > Age: 1 Year 5 Months

> > > >

> > > > Total individuals took membership: 664

> > > > Current Members: 608

> > > > Members Unsubscibed : 56

> > > >

> > > > Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43

> > > >

> > > > i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it

> > > > unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words Seven out

> > of

> > > > Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you find it

> > negative

> > > > or positive ?

> > > >

> > > > Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40

> > > >

> > > > Messages:

> > > > ---------

> > > > Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217

> > > > Average Number of Messages per month: 130

> > > > Average Number of Messages per Day: 4

> > > > Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory? If not what

> > can

> > > > we do to imporve it?

> > > >

> > > > Questions:

> > > > ----------

> > > > * What are your observations and suggestions based on the above

> > data?

> > > > * What do you feel about the group and its approach?

> > > > * If we need to change what are the suggestions for improvement?

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sarayu ji,Increase in Memberships: Increase in Memberships result in - * Gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new members Fresh enquiries. * Renewing the interest for all in the group and people Usually old guys like me become monotonous to others easily . We always need fresh views and interaction with new individuals to rejuvenate us - make us lively - through interactions. Otherwise a respect or disregard settles in and the interaction may become less; in some cases it may not happen and the interest, interaction and friendship will grow. * Yes, the propaganda value it is holds also can not be neglected - Possibly if a group has got enough members and lively, new individuals would be more interested to join and contribute on the same, otherwise not. By that way we gain more info and more freshness.

How do you suggest we invite more people? * Inviting the individuals with scholarly knowledge can help us much in making the group a platform for knowledge sharing and interaction. All the members of the group would be benefited by the same. Therefore locating such people and inviting them to the group should be one of our agenda - this is one thing we should always try to implement for the betterment of the group. * Yes, apart from this to get more members we can always invite others whose email id we have (As the moderator such invitation responsibility lies with me). I will do the same at the earliest - which can cause an increase in memberships with in a short span of time. Even though it may not cause an increase in quality of the group discussions, certainly new perspectives and individuals and the interest and activity they generate on the group would be of much value in the energetic existence of the group. * All the members can help us by requesting there personal friends with an interest in astrology or scholarly knowledge to participate in the discussions taking place in this group, and also by pointing to the information databases (documents in the files section) available in this group, and the sincerity with which we approach the subject. We all and the subject itself would be benefited by such interactions I hope.

Encouragement to Beginners : ==>> The suggestion about more latitude for beginners was done > because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process of learning, someone > would be willing to answer the doubts (which might be obvious for the experienced) posed > by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for anyone willing to do this > and it can be quite cumbersome. <==

Rightly you said. ==>> I would also wish to know what is expected of students if someone is willing to offer lessons.<== There are much the students (if there is some teacher around) should learn and improve on them selves: * Know the basic terminology: Know the names of All the planets, Rasis, Dasas; Know the exaltation-debilitation, own house concepts etc; know the basic calculations such as house divisions, dasa calculations etc. * Know the significations (karakatwas) of various planets, houses, signs etc in detail. * When ever learn something new - read more about the same from the books and documents available from anywhere and thus improve own understanding about the same. Thus minimize the doubts that would be asked - and improve the mutual relations with valid and answerable doubts that increase the interest of both the teacher and the student in the subject. The list can be extended... But the more important point is- * Any astrology group is not a proper place to learn astrology (many things can not be conveyed through typed words - how ever extra effort the teacher may take) - and consider it only as a discussion place.

Love,Sreenadh , "sarayuid" <sarayuid wrote:>> Srinadhji.....Could you please let me know what are the advantages of higher membership > apart from gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new members. I would like > to know this just out of curiosity...pardon me. How do you suggest we invite more people? > All the obsevations you have written on account of other groups with highest > memberships are true. The suggestion about more latitude for beginners was done > because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process of learning, someone > would be willing to answer the doubts (which might be obvious for the experienced) posed > by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for anyone willing to do this > and it can be quite cumbersome. I hope whoever volunteers to give beginners lessons here > would consider whether it is time effective for them. I would also wish to know what is > expected of students if someone is willing to offer lessons.> > Regards> > . , "Sreenadh" sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sarayu ji and Sunil ji,> > The two major points Sarayu ji suggested were-> > > > One: Although it would be good if there is an increase in membership but> > I hope quality will not be compromised.> > > > Two: I certainly like the direction the group has taken but I wish there> > is more encouragement to beginners too.> > > > As far as the first point is concerned:> > I hope we can ensure that the quality of the group won't be> > compromised, even when membership increases. As far as increase in> > membership is concerned, I think inviting more people will result in> > increase in membership - which can be achieved in a short span, at least> > making the members at least 1000 in number.> > > > One more point to notice is, even though some of the other astrology> > groups have 5000+ or 7000 + members, an observation of the number of> > people posting on the same shows that -> > 1) The number of new member are too few - as if those groups have> > reached a stagnation.> > 2) The number of active members (who post regularly or at least> > occasionally) is fixed in number. Every group has 20 to 30 members at> > max who post regularly or at least occasionally and for others it is as> > if came, became a member, once asked a question about his/her own> > horoscope, and then onwards no interaction or active participation at> > all !!! It seems that most of the members in those groups are rather> > once clients than students of astrology!> > 3) It seems that those groups are not even removing the non-active as> > well as dead members for whom -> > * The mails send from group are regularly bouncing> > * The account itself has been disabled, or abandoned.> > * The member never visited the group even once> > * The member itself expired and the mailid no more in use etc> > But for our group I can ensure that there is currently no non active> > accounts - i mean the accounts from which the mails would regularly> > bounce. I always ensure removing such memberships (dead tissues ) so> > that we can always be lively and vibrant - a growing child. As you have> > noticed, new tissues (new members) emerge always in this group, with> > quality input. I think there is no point in keeping such membership> > which can only be used to boast about the number of memberships, which> > we don't want. I doubt the huge memberships in some other groups are> > due to such inactive accounts rather than due to live members. Another> > related point to notice is that if we visit 10 astrology groups,> > in most of the situation we will find the members in the other group> > there as well! It seems that a minor community of members (possibly less> > than 100) is members in most of the groups and posts everywhere. I> > am not joking - just visit some groups and see it yourself. We need> > quality input by circumventing this pitfall - and usual demerit.> > > > As far as the Second point is concerned:> > I would like to ask all the other members-> > * Is there anyone who is ready to come up with a set of beginners> > lessons of astrology?> > * Is there anyone who can regularly post something that clarifies the> > beginners doubts, and answer the connected questions?> > If someone is ready to handle this task we all would be thankful to> > you. Hope some of the members will come up with possible solutions and> > suggestions.> > As far as I am concerned I will restrain from taking this task> > myself, because in that case I won't be able to participate nor answer> > the other questions which carry more weight, and also the fact remains> > that one man can not do everything. The free time is limited and the> > tasks are plenty. If Sarayu ji or Sunil ji can supplement this > > suggestion with possible solutions and further suggestions it would be> > good, which may at the end cause a nice solution to emerge.> > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Hare rama krishna,> > >> > > dear sreenath ji and sarayu ji> > >> > > sarayuji u said the correct observation ,> > >> > > sreenathji yes its quality matters not quantity ,so we can be proud of> > > it> > >> > > all the best in our groups performance,> > >> > > with regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > , "sarayuid"> > > sarayuid@ wrote:> > > >> > > > I have been a member of few groups and notice that the groups with> > the> > > highest> > > > membership are those that also offer free consultations. But there> > > have been some> > > > problems because of these services...and there were situations when> > > things got way out of> > > > control. Whereas this group is focused on scholarly discussion of> > > vedic astrology. There> > > > are less of these people around in the forums than the seekers of> > > predictions. Also the> > > > standard at which one can participate in discussions here are not> > for> > > novices like me. I> > > > have friends who had sought help for their problems in other groups> > > but that is where> > > > astrology ends for them...due to other constraints in life or lack> > of> > > interest to learn. In my> > > > opinion I think it is quite an achievement for the group to not lose> > > sight of it's purpose> > > > and not give in to any deviations. There is a certain standard the> > > group had established> > > > since its inception. Although it would be good if there is an> > increase> > > in membership but I> > > > hope quality will not be compromised. I certainly like the direction> > > the group has taken but> > > > I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh" sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > I was just going through our group membership statistics - some> > > brief> > > > > observations follows:> > > > > Founded: Apr 3, 2006> > > > > Age: 1 Year 5 Months> > > > >> > > > > Total individuals took membership: 664> > > > > Current Members: 608> > > > > Members Unsubscibed : 56> > > > >> > > > > Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43> > > > >> > > > > i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it> > > > > unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words Seven out> > > of> > > > > Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you find it> > > negative> > > > > or positive ?> > > > >> > > > > Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40> > > > >> > > > > Messages:> > > > > ---------> > > > > Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217> > > > > Average Number of Messages per month: 130> > > > > Average Number of Messages per Day: 4> > > > > Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory? If not what> > > can> > > > > we do to imporve it?> > > > >> > > > > Questions:> > > > > ----------> > > > > * What are your observations and suggestions based on the above> > > data?> > > > > * What do you feel about the group and its approach?> > > > > * If we need to change what are the suggestions for improvement?> > > > >> > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Srinadhji...well said.Iam glad I asked the question. I totally missed out on the

points of

monotony and stagnation Being around for quite some time,you would be the

best

person to know members in other groups who can best increase the value of this

group.

When your time permits you could locate them and extend an invitation to join

this group.

The points you have listed regarding what is expected of students who wish to

learn

astrology is also true. Perhaps learning on forums is not the best way. And also

my

knowledge in astrology does not even meet the basic requirements. So there is a

long way

to go before I can start learning here. But if someone is willing to offer the

couses for

other enthusiasts, people like me can definately gain too. Thanks for taking the

time to

explain things in detail.

 

Regards

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sarayu ji,

>

> Increase in Memberships:

> Increase in Memberships result in -

> * Gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new

> members Fresh enquiries.

> * Renewing the interest for all in the group and people

> Usually old guys like me become monotonous to

> others easily . We always need fresh views and interaction with new

> individuals to rejuvenate us - make us lively - through interactions.

> Otherwise a respect or disregard settles in and the interaction may

> become less; in some cases it may not happen and the interest,

> interaction and friendship will grow.

> * Yes, the propaganda value it is holds also can not be

> neglected - Possibly if a group has got enough members and lively, new

> individuals would be more interested to join and contribute on the same,

> otherwise not. By that way we gain more info and more freshness.

>

> How do you suggest we invite more people?

> * Inviting the individuals with scholarly knowledge can help us

> much in making the group a platform for knowledge sharing and

> interaction. All the members of the group would be benefited by the

> same. Therefore locating such people and inviting them to the group

> should be one of our agenda - this is one thing we should always try to

> implement for the betterment of the group.

> * Yes, apart from this to get more members we can always invite

> others whose email id we have (As the moderator such invitation

> responsibility lies with me). I will do the same at the earliest - which

> can cause an increase in memberships with in a short span of time. Even

> though it may not cause an increase in quality of the group

> discussions, certainly new perspectives and individuals and the interest

> and activity they generate on the group would be of much value in the

> energetic existence of the group.

> * All the members can help us by requesting there personal

> friends with an interest in astrology or scholarly knowledge to

> participate in the discussions taking place in this group, and also by

> pointing to the information databases (documents in the files section)

> available in this group, and the sincerity with which we approach the

> subject. We all and the subject itself would be benefited by such

> interactions I hope.

>

> Encouragement to Beginners :

> ==>

> > The suggestion about more latitude for beginners was done

> > because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process

> of learning, someone

> > would be willing to answer the doubts (which might be obvious for the

> experienced) posed

> > by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for

> anyone willing to do this

> > and it can be quite cumbersome.

> <==

>

> Rightly you said.

> ==>

> > I would also wish to know what is expected of students if someone is

> willing to offer lessons.

> <==

> There are much the students (if there is some teacher around)

> should learn and improve on them selves:

> * Know the basic terminology: Know the names of All the planets,

> Rasis, Dasas; Know the exaltation-debilitation, own house concepts etc;

> know the basic calculations such as house divisions, dasa calculations

> etc.

> * Know the significations (karakatwas) of various planets, houses,

> signs etc in detail.

> * When ever learn something new - read more about the same from the

> books and documents available from anywhere and thus improve own

> understanding about the same. Thus minimize the doubts that would be

> asked - and improve the mutual relations with valid and answerable

> doubts that increase the interest of both the teacher and the student in

> the subject.

> The list can be extended... But the more important point is-

> * Any astrology group is not a proper place to learn astrology (many

> things can not be conveyed through typed words - how ever extra effort

> the teacher may take) - and consider it only as a discussion place.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " sarayuid "

> <sarayuid@> wrote:

> >

> > Srinadhji.....Could you please let me know what are the advantages of

> higher membership

> > apart from gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new

> members. I would like

> > to know this just out of curiosity...pardon me. How do you suggest we

> invite more people?

> > All the obsevations you have written on account of other groups with

> highest

> > memberships are true. The suggestion about more latitude for beginners

> was done

> > because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process

> of learning, someone

> > would be willing to answer the doubts (which might be obvious for the

> experienced) posed

> > by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for

> anyone willing to do this

> > and it can be quite cumbersome. I hope whoever volunteers to give

> beginners lessons here

> > would consider whether it is time effective for them. I would also

> wish to know what is

> > expected of students if someone is willing to offer lessons.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > . , " Sreenadh " sreesog@

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sarayu ji and Sunil ji,

> > > The two major points Sarayu ji suggested were-

> > >

> > > One: Although it would be good if there is an increase in membership

> but

> > > I hope quality will not be compromised.

> > >

> > > Two: I certainly like the direction the group has taken but I wish

> there

> > > is more encouragement to beginners too.

> > >

> > > As far as the first point is concerned:

> > > I hope we can ensure that the quality of the group won't be

> > > compromised, even when membership increases. As far as increase in

> > > membership is concerned, I think inviting more people will result in

> > > increase in membership - which can be achieved in a short span, at

> least

> > > making the members at least 1000 in number.

> > >

> > > One more point to notice is, even though some of the other astrology

> > > groups have 5000+ or 7000 + members, an observation of the number of

> > > people posting on the same shows that -

> > > 1) The number of new member are too few - as if those groups have

> > > reached a stagnation.

> > > 2) The number of active members (who post regularly or at least

> > > occasionally) is fixed in number. Every group has 20 to 30 members

> at

> > > max who post regularly or at least occasionally and for others it is

> as

> > > if came, became a member, once asked a question about his/her own

> > > horoscope, and then onwards no interaction or active participation

> at

> > > all !!! It seems that most of the members in those groups are rather

> > > once clients than students of astrology!

> > > 3) It seems that those groups are not even removing the non-active

> as

> > > well as dead members for whom -

> > > * The mails send from group are regularly bouncing

> > > * The account itself has been disabled, or abandoned.

> > > * The member never visited the group even once

> > > * The member itself expired and the mailid no more in use etc

> > > But for our group I can ensure that there is currently no non active

> > > accounts - i mean the accounts from which the mails would regularly

> > > bounce. I always ensure removing such memberships (dead tissues )

> so

> > > that we can always be lively and vibrant - a growing child. As you

> have

> > > noticed, new tissues (new members) emerge always in this group, with

> > > quality input. I think there is no point in keeping such membership

> > > which can only be used to boast about the number of memberships,

> which

> > > we don't want. I doubt the huge memberships in some other groups are

> > > due to such inactive accounts rather than due to live members.

> Another

> > > related point to notice is that if we visit 10 astrology

> groups,

> > > in most of the situation we will find the members in the other group

> > > there as well! It seems that a minor community of members (possibly

> less

> > > than 100) is members in most of the groups and posts everywhere.

> I

> > > am not joking - just visit some groups and see it yourself. We

> need

> > > quality input by circumventing this pitfall - and usual demerit.

> > >

> > > As far as the Second point is concerned:

> > > I would like to ask all the other members-

> > > * Is there anyone who is ready to come up with a set of beginners

> > > lessons of astrology?

> > > * Is there anyone who can regularly post something that clarifies

> the

> > > beginners doubts, and answer the connected questions?

> > > If someone is ready to handle this task we all would be thankful to

> > > you. Hope some of the members will come up with possible solutions

> and

> > > suggestions.

> > > As far as I am concerned I will restrain from taking this task

> > > myself, because in that case I won't be able to participate nor

> answer

> > > the other questions which carry more weight, and also the fact

> remains

> > > that one man can not do everything. The free time is limited and the

> > > tasks are plenty. If Sarayu ji or Sunil ji can supplement this

> > > suggestion with possible solutions and further suggestions it would

> be

> > > good, which may at the end cause a nice solution to emerge.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear sreenath ji and sarayu ji

> > > >

> > > > sarayuji u said the correct observation ,

> > > >

> > > > sreenathji yes its quality matters not quantity ,so we can be

> proud of

> > > > it

> > > >

> > > > all the best in our groups performance,

> > > >

> > > > with regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > , " sarayuid "

> > > > sarayuid@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been a member of few groups and notice that the groups

> with

> > > the

> > > > highest

> > > > > membership are those that also offer free consultations. But

> there

> > > > have been some

> > > > > problems because of these services...and there were situations

> when

> > > > things got way out of

> > > > > control. Whereas this group is focused on scholarly discussion

> of

> > > > vedic astrology. There

> > > > > are less of these people around in the forums than the seekers

> of

> > > > predictions. Also the

> > > > > standard at which one can participate in discussions here are

> not

> > > for

> > > > novices like me. I

> > > > > have friends who had sought help for their problems in other

> groups

> > > > but that is where

> > > > > astrology ends for them...due to other constraints in life or

> lack

> > > of

> > > > interest to learn. In my

> > > > > opinion I think it is quite an achievement for the group to not

> lose

> > > > sight of it's purpose

> > > > > and not give in to any deviations. There is a certain standard

> the

> > > > group had established

> > > > > since its inception. Although it would be good if there is an

> > > increase

> > > > in membership but I

> > > > > hope quality will not be compromised. I certainly like the

> direction

> > > > the group has taken but

> > > > > I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > I was just going through our group membership statistics -

> some

> > > > brief

> > > > > > observations follows:

> > > > > > Founded: Apr 3, 2006

> > > > > > Age: 1 Year 5 Months

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total individuals took membership: 664

> > > > > > Current Members: 608

> > > > > > Members Unsubscibed : 56

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it

> > > > > > unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words Seven

> out

> > > > of

> > > > > > Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you find it

> > > > negative

> > > > > > or positive ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Messages:

> > > > > > ---------

> > > > > > Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217

> > > > > > Average Number of Messages per month: 130

> > > > > > Average Number of Messages per Day: 4

> > > > > > Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory? If not

> what

> > > > can

> > > > > > we do to imporve it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Questions:

> > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > * What are your observations and suggestions based on the

> above

> > > > data?

> > > > > > * What do you feel about the group and its approach?

> > > > > > * If we need to change what are the suggestions for

> improvement?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sarayu ji,

==>

> Being around for quite some time,you would be the

> best person to know members in other groups who can best increase

> the value of this group.

<==

Ohh! That means you are not ready to help me! lol.....

But I know even if you say so, you can't break away the bonds.. Of

course we will start some beginners lessons in alternate day or once

in a week or so after some time - but if I do that, I won't answer the

doubts, I swear..

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh

 

, " sarayuid "

<sarayuid wrote:

>

> Srinadhji...well said.Iam glad I asked the question. I totally

missed out on the

> points of

> monotony and stagnation Being around for quite some time,you

would be the

> best

> person to know members in other groups who can best increase the

value of this

> group.

> When your time permits you could locate them and extend an

invitation to join

> this group.

> The points you have listed regarding what is expected of students

who wish to

> learn

> astrology is also true. Perhaps learning on forums is not the best

way. And also

> my

> knowledge in astrology does not even meet the basic requirements. So

there is a

> long way

> to go before I can start learning here. But if someone is willing to

offer the

> couses for

> other enthusiasts, people like me can definately gain too. Thanks

for taking the

> time to

> explain things in detail.

>

> Regards

>

> , " Sreenadh "

<sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sarayu ji,

> >

> > Increase in Memberships:

> > Increase in Memberships result in -

> > * Gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new

> > members Fresh enquiries.

> > * Renewing the interest for all in the group and people

> > Usually old guys like me become

monotonous to

> > others easily . We always need fresh views and interaction with new

> > individuals to rejuvenate us - make us lively - through interactions.

> > Otherwise a respect or disregard settles in and the interaction may

> > become less; in some cases it may not happen and the interest,

> > interaction and friendship will grow.

> > * Yes, the propaganda value it is holds also can not be

> > neglected - Possibly if a group has got enough members and lively, new

> > individuals would be more interested to join and contribute on the

same,

> > otherwise not. By that way we gain more info and more freshness.

> >

> > How do you suggest we invite more people?

> > * Inviting the individuals with scholarly knowledge can

help us

> > much in making the group a platform for knowledge sharing and

> > interaction. All the members of the group would be benefited by the

> > same. Therefore locating such people and inviting them to the group

> > should be one of our agenda - this is one thing we should always

try to

> > implement for the betterment of the group.

> > * Yes, apart from this to get more members we can always

invite

> > others whose email id we have (As the moderator such invitation

> > responsibility lies with me). I will do the same at the earliest -

which

> > can cause an increase in memberships with in a short span of time.

Even

> > though it may not cause an increase in quality of the group

> > discussions, certainly new perspectives and individuals and the

interest

> > and activity they generate on the group would be of much value in the

> > energetic existence of the group.

> > * All the members can help us by requesting there personal

> > friends with an interest in astrology or scholarly knowledge to

> > participate in the discussions taking place in this group, and also by

> > pointing to the information databases (documents in the files section)

> > available in this group, and the sincerity with which we approach the

> > subject. We all and the subject itself would be benefited by such

> > interactions I hope.

> >

> > Encouragement to Beginners :

> > ==>

> > > The suggestion about more latitude for beginners was done

> > > because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process

> > of learning, someone

> > > would be willing to answer the doubts (which might be obvious

for the

> > experienced) posed

> > > by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for

> > anyone willing to do this

> > > and it can be quite cumbersome.

> > <==

> >

> > Rightly you said.

> > ==>

> > > I would also wish to know what is expected of students if

someone is

> > willing to offer lessons.

> > <==

> > There are much the students (if there is some teacher around)

> > should learn and improve on them selves:

> > * Know the basic terminology: Know the names of All the planets,

> > Rasis, Dasas; Know the exaltation-debilitation, own house concepts

etc;

> > know the basic calculations such as house divisions, dasa calculations

> > etc.

> > * Know the significations (karakatwas) of various planets,

houses,

> > signs etc in detail.

> > * When ever learn something new - read more about the same

from the

> > books and documents available from anywhere and thus improve own

> > understanding about the same. Thus minimize the doubts that would be

> > asked - and improve the mutual relations with valid and answerable

> > doubts that increase the interest of both the teacher and the

student in

> > the subject.

> > The list can be extended... But the more important point is-

> > * Any astrology group is not a proper place to learn astrology

(many

> > things can not be conveyed through typed words - how ever extra effort

> > the teacher may take) - and consider it only as a discussion place.

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " sarayuid "

> > <sarayuid@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Srinadhji.....Could you please let me know what are the

advantages of

> > higher membership

> > > apart from gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new

> > members. I would like

> > > to know this just out of curiosity...pardon me. How do you

suggest we

> > invite more people?

> > > All the obsevations you have written on account of other groups with

> > highest

> > > memberships are true. The suggestion about more latitude for

beginners

> > was done

> > > because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process

> > of learning, someone

> > > would be willing to answer the doubts (which might be obvious

for the

> > experienced) posed

> > > by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for

> > anyone willing to do this

> > > and it can be quite cumbersome. I hope whoever volunteers to give

> > beginners lessons here

> > > would consider whether it is time effective for them. I would also

> > wish to know what is

> > > expected of students if someone is willing to offer lessons.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > . , " Sreenadh "

sreesog@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sarayu ji and Sunil ji,

> > > > The two major points Sarayu ji suggested were-

> > > >

> > > > One: Although it would be good if there is an increase in

membership

> > but

> > > > I hope quality will not be compromised.

> > > >

> > > > Two: I certainly like the direction the group has taken but I wish

> > there

> > > > is more encouragement to beginners too.

> > > >

> > > > As far as the first point is concerned:

> > > > I hope we can ensure that the quality of the group won't be

> > > > compromised, even when membership increases. As far as increase in

> > > > membership is concerned, I think inviting more people will

result in

> > > > increase in membership - which can be achieved in a short span, at

> > least

> > > > making the members at least 1000 in number.

> > > >

> > > > One more point to notice is, even though some of the other

astrology

> > > > groups have 5000+ or 7000 + members, an observation of the

number of

> > > > people posting on the same shows that -

> > > > 1) The number of new member are too few - as if those groups have

> > > > reached a stagnation.

> > > > 2) The number of active members (who post regularly or at least

> > > > occasionally) is fixed in number. Every group has 20 to 30 members

> > at

> > > > max who post regularly or at least occasionally and for others

it is

> > as

> > > > if came, became a member, once asked a question about his/her own

> > > > horoscope, and then onwards no interaction or active participation

> > at

> > > > all !!! It seems that most of the members in those groups are

rather

> > > > once clients than students of astrology!

> > > > 3) It seems that those groups are not even removing the non-active

> > as

> > > > well as dead members for whom -

> > > > * The mails send from group are regularly bouncing

> > > > * The account itself has been disabled, or abandoned.

> > > > * The member never visited the group even once

> > > > * The member itself expired and the mailid no more in use etc

> > > > But for our group I can ensure that there is currently no non

active

> > > > accounts - i mean the accounts from which the mails would

regularly

> > > > bounce. I always ensure removing such memberships (dead

tissues )

> > so

> > > > that we can always be lively and vibrant - a growing child. As you

> > have

> > > > noticed, new tissues (new members) emerge always in this

group, with

> > > > quality input. I think there is no point in keeping such

membership

> > > > which can only be used to boast about the number of memberships,

> > which

> > > > we don't want. I doubt the huge memberships in some other

groups are

> > > > due to such inactive accounts rather than due to live members.

> > Another

> > > > related point to notice is that if we visit 10 astrology

> > groups,

> > > > in most of the situation we will find the members in the other

group

> > > > there as well! It seems that a minor community of members

(possibly

> > less

> > > > than 100) is members in most of the groups and posts

everywhere.

> > I

> > > > am not joking - just visit some groups and see it yourself. We

> > need

> > > > quality input by circumventing this pitfall - and usual demerit.

> > > >

> > > > As far as the Second point is concerned:

> > > > I would like to ask all the other members-

> > > > * Is there anyone who is ready to come up with a set of beginners

> > > > lessons of astrology?

> > > > * Is there anyone who can regularly post something that clarifies

> > the

> > > > beginners doubts, and answer the connected questions?

> > > > If someone is ready to handle this task we all would be

thankful to

> > > > you. Hope some of the members will come up with possible solutions

> > and

> > > > suggestions.

> > > > As far as I am concerned I will restrain from taking this task

> > > > myself, because in that case I won't be able to participate nor

> > answer

> > > > the other questions which carry more weight, and also the fact

> > remains

> > > > that one man can not do everything. The free time is limited

and the

> > > > tasks are plenty. If Sarayu ji or Sunil ji can supplement this

> > > > suggestion with possible solutions and further suggestions it

would

> > be

> > > > good, which may at the end cause a nice solution to emerge.

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sreenath ji and sarayu ji

> > > > >

> > > > > sarayuji u said the correct observation ,

> > > > >

> > > > > sreenathji yes its quality matters not quantity ,so we can be

> > proud of

> > > > > it

> > > > >

> > > > > all the best in our groups performance,

> > > > >

> > > > > with regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > > , " sarayuid "

> > > > > sarayuid@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been a member of few groups and notice that the groups

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > highest

> > > > > > membership are those that also offer free consultations. But

> > there

> > > > > have been some

> > > > > > problems because of these services...and there were situations

> > when

> > > > > things got way out of

> > > > > > control. Whereas this group is focused on scholarly discussion

> > of

> > > > > vedic astrology. There

> > > > > > are less of these people around in the forums than the seekers

> > of

> > > > > predictions. Also the

> > > > > > standard at which one can participate in discussions here are

> > not

> > > > for

> > > > > novices like me. I

> > > > > > have friends who had sought help for their problems in other

> > groups

> > > > > but that is where

> > > > > > astrology ends for them...due to other constraints in life or

> > lack

> > > > of

> > > > > interest to learn. In my

> > > > > > opinion I think it is quite an achievement for the group

to not

> > lose

> > > > > sight of it's purpose

> > > > > > and not give in to any deviations. There is a certain standard

> > the

> > > > > group had established

> > > > > > since its inception. Although it would be good if there is an

> > > > increase

> > > > > in membership but I

> > > > > > hope quality will not be compromised. I certainly like the

> > direction

> > > > > the group has taken but

> > > > > > I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > I was just going through our group membership statistics -

> > some

> > > > > brief

> > > > > > > observations follows:

> > > > > > > Founded: Apr 3, 2006

> > > > > > > Age: 1 Year 5 Months

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Total individuals took membership: 664

> > > > > > > Current Members: 608

> > > > > > > Members Unsubscibed : 56

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it

> > > > > > > unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words

Seven

> > out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you

find it

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > or positive ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Messages:

> > > > > > > ---------

> > > > > > > Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217

> > > > > > > Average Number of Messages per month: 130

> > > > > > > Average Number of Messages per Day: 4

> > > > > > > Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory?

If not

> > what

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > we do to imporve it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Questions:

> > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > * What are your observations and suggestions based on the

> > above

> > > > > data?

> > > > > > > * What do you feel about the group and its approach?

> > > > > > > * If we need to change what are the suggestions for

> > improvement?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sreenadhji....sure I will help if I can. Looking forward for the lessons.

 

Regards

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Sarayu ji,

> ==>

> > Being around for quite some time,you would be the

> > best person to know members in other groups who can best increase

> > the value of this group.

> <==

> Ohh! That means you are not ready to help me! lol.....

> But I know even if you say so, you can't break away the bonds.. Of

> course we will start some beginners lessons in alternate day or once

> in a week or so after some time - but if I do that, I won't answer the

> doubts, I swear..

> Love and Hugs,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " sarayuid "

> <sarayuid@> wrote:

> >

> > Srinadhji...well said.Iam glad I asked the question. I totally

> missed out on the

> > points of

> > monotony and stagnation Being around for quite some time,you

> would be the

> > best

> > person to know members in other groups who can best increase the

> value of this

> > group.

> > When your time permits you could locate them and extend an

> invitation to join

> > this group.

> > The points you have listed regarding what is expected of students

> who wish to

> > learn

> > astrology is also true. Perhaps learning on forums is not the best

> way. And also

> > my

> > knowledge in astrology does not even meet the basic requirements. So

> there is a

> > long way

> > to go before I can start learning here. But if someone is willing to

> offer the

> > couses for

> > other enthusiasts, people like me can definately gain too. Thanks

> for taking the

> > time to

> > explain things in detail.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sarayu ji,

> > >

> > > Increase in Memberships:

> > > Increase in Memberships result in -

> > > * Gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new

> > > members Fresh enquiries.

> > > * Renewing the interest for all in the group and people

> > > Usually old guys like me become

> monotonous to

> > > others easily . We always need fresh views and interaction with new

> > > individuals to rejuvenate us - make us lively - through interactions.

> > > Otherwise a respect or disregard settles in and the interaction may

> > > become less; in some cases it may not happen and the interest,

> > > interaction and friendship will grow.

> > > * Yes, the propaganda value it is holds also can not be

> > > neglected - Possibly if a group has got enough members and lively, new

> > > individuals would be more interested to join and contribute on the

> same,

> > > otherwise not. By that way we gain more info and more freshness.

> > >

> > > How do you suggest we invite more people?

> > > * Inviting the individuals with scholarly knowledge can

> help us

> > > much in making the group a platform for knowledge sharing and

> > > interaction. All the members of the group would be benefited by the

> > > same. Therefore locating such people and inviting them to the group

> > > should be one of our agenda - this is one thing we should always

> try to

> > > implement for the betterment of the group.

> > > * Yes, apart from this to get more members we can always

> invite

> > > others whose email id we have (As the moderator such invitation

> > > responsibility lies with me). I will do the same at the earliest -

> which

> > > can cause an increase in memberships with in a short span of time.

> Even

> > > though it may not cause an increase in quality of the group

> > > discussions, certainly new perspectives and individuals and the

> interest

> > > and activity they generate on the group would be of much value in the

> > > energetic existence of the group.

> > > * All the members can help us by requesting there personal

> > > friends with an interest in astrology or scholarly knowledge to

> > > participate in the discussions taking place in this group, and also by

> > > pointing to the information databases (documents in the files section)

> > > available in this group, and the sincerity with which we approach the

> > > subject. We all and the subject itself would be benefited by such

> > > interactions I hope.

> > >

> > > Encouragement to Beginners :

> > > ==>

> > > > The suggestion about more latitude for beginners was done

> > > > because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process

> > > of learning, someone

> > > > would be willing to answer the doubts (which might be obvious

> for the

> > > experienced) posed

> > > > by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for

> > > anyone willing to do this

> > > > and it can be quite cumbersome.

> > > <==

> > >

> > > Rightly you said.

> > > ==>

> > > > I would also wish to know what is expected of students if

> someone is

> > > willing to offer lessons.

> > > <==

> > > There are much the students (if there is some teacher around)

> > > should learn and improve on them selves:

> > > * Know the basic terminology: Know the names of All the planets,

> > > Rasis, Dasas; Know the exaltation-debilitation, own house concepts

> etc;

> > > know the basic calculations such as house divisions, dasa calculations

> > > etc.

> > > * Know the significations (karakatwas) of various planets,

> houses,

> > > signs etc in detail.

> > > * When ever learn something new - read more about the same

> from the

> > > books and documents available from anywhere and thus improve own

> > > understanding about the same. Thus minimize the doubts that would be

> > > asked - and improve the mutual relations with valid and answerable

> > > doubts that increase the interest of both the teacher and the

> student in

> > > the subject.

> > > The list can be extended... But the more important point is-

> > > * Any astrology group is not a proper place to learn astrology

> (many

> > > things can not be conveyed through typed words - how ever extra effort

> > > the teacher may take) - and consider it only as a discussion place.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " sarayuid "

> > > <sarayuid@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Srinadhji.....Could you please let me know what are the

> advantages of

> > > higher membership

> > > > apart from gaining more perspective and knowledge from the new

> > > members. I would like

> > > > to know this just out of curiosity...pardon me. How do you

> suggest we

> > > invite more people?

> > > > All the obsevations you have written on account of other groups with

> > > highest

> > > > memberships are true. The suggestion about more latitude for

> beginners

> > > was done

> > > > because I truly wanted to learn the basics and maybe, in the process

> > > of learning, someone

> > > > would be willing to answer the doubts (which might be obvious

> for the

> > > experienced) posed

> > > > by the beginners. I understand that it demands a lot of time for

> > > anyone willing to do this

> > > > and it can be quite cumbersome. I hope whoever volunteers to give

> > > beginners lessons here

> > > > would consider whether it is time effective for them. I would also

> > > wish to know what is

> > > > expected of students if someone is willing to offer lessons.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > . , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sarayu ji and Sunil ji,

> > > > > The two major points Sarayu ji suggested were-

> > > > >

> > > > > One: Although it would be good if there is an increase in

> membership

> > > but

> > > > > I hope quality will not be compromised.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two: I certainly like the direction the group has taken but I wish

> > > there

> > > > > is more encouragement to beginners too.

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as the first point is concerned:

> > > > > I hope we can ensure that the quality of the group won't be

> > > > > compromised, even when membership increases. As far as increase in

> > > > > membership is concerned, I think inviting more people will

> result in

> > > > > increase in membership - which can be achieved in a short span, at

> > > least

> > > > > making the members at least 1000 in number.

> > > > >

> > > > > One more point to notice is, even though some of the other

> astrology

> > > > > groups have 5000+ or 7000 + members, an observation of the

> number of

> > > > > people posting on the same shows that -

> > > > > 1) The number of new member are too few - as if those groups have

> > > > > reached a stagnation.

> > > > > 2) The number of active members (who post regularly or at least

> > > > > occasionally) is fixed in number. Every group has 20 to 30 members

> > > at

> > > > > max who post regularly or at least occasionally and for others

> it is

> > > as

> > > > > if came, became a member, once asked a question about his/her own

> > > > > horoscope, and then onwards no interaction or active participation

> > > at

> > > > > all !!! It seems that most of the members in those groups are

> rather

> > > > > once clients than students of astrology!

> > > > > 3) It seems that those groups are not even removing the non-active

> > > as

> > > > > well as dead members for whom -

> > > > > * The mails send from group are regularly bouncing

> > > > > * The account itself has been disabled, or abandoned.

> > > > > * The member never visited the group even once

> > > > > * The member itself expired and the mailid no more in use etc

> > > > > But for our group I can ensure that there is currently no non

> active

> > > > > accounts - i mean the accounts from which the mails would

> regularly

> > > > > bounce. I always ensure removing such memberships (dead

> tissues )

> > > so

> > > > > that we can always be lively and vibrant - a growing child. As you

> > > have

> > > > > noticed, new tissues (new members) emerge always in this

> group, with

> > > > > quality input. I think there is no point in keeping such

> membership

> > > > > which can only be used to boast about the number of memberships,

> > > which

> > > > > we don't want. I doubt the huge memberships in some other

> groups are

> > > > > due to such inactive accounts rather than due to live members.

> > > Another

> > > > > related point to notice is that if we visit 10 astrology

> > > groups,

> > > > > in most of the situation we will find the members in the other

> group

> > > > > there as well! It seems that a minor community of members

> (possibly

> > > less

> > > > > than 100) is members in most of the groups and posts

> everywhere.

> > > I

> > > > > am not joking - just visit some groups and see it yourself. We

> > > need

> > > > > quality input by circumventing this pitfall - and usual demerit.

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as the Second point is concerned:

> > > > > I would like to ask all the other members-

> > > > > * Is there anyone who is ready to come up with a set of beginners

> > > > > lessons of astrology?

> > > > > * Is there anyone who can regularly post something that clarifies

> > > the

> > > > > beginners doubts, and answer the connected questions?

> > > > > If someone is ready to handle this task we all would be

> thankful to

> > > > > you. Hope some of the members will come up with possible solutions

> > > and

> > > > > suggestions.

> > > > > As far as I am concerned I will restrain from taking this task

> > > > > myself, because in that case I won't be able to participate nor

> > > answer

> > > > > the other questions which carry more weight, and also the fact

> > > remains

> > > > > that one man can not do everything. The free time is limited

> and the

> > > > > tasks are plenty. If Sarayu ji or Sunil ji can supplement this

> > > > > suggestion with possible solutions and further suggestions it

> would

> > > be

> > > > > good, which may at the end cause a nice solution to emerge.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear sreenath ji and sarayu ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sarayuji u said the correct observation ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sreenathji yes its quality matters not quantity ,so we can be

> > > proud of

> > > > > > it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all the best in our groups performance,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with regrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > > > , " sarayuid "

> > > > > > sarayuid@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been a member of few groups and notice that the groups

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > highest

> > > > > > > membership are those that also offer free consultations. But

> > > there

> > > > > > have been some

> > > > > > > problems because of these services...and there were situations

> > > when

> > > > > > things got way out of

> > > > > > > control. Whereas this group is focused on scholarly discussion

> > > of

> > > > > > vedic astrology. There

> > > > > > > are less of these people around in the forums than the seekers

> > > of

> > > > > > predictions. Also the

> > > > > > > standard at which one can participate in discussions here are

> > > not

> > > > > for

> > > > > > novices like me. I

> > > > > > > have friends who had sought help for their problems in other

> > > groups

> > > > > > but that is where

> > > > > > > astrology ends for them...due to other constraints in life or

> > > lack

> > > > > of

> > > > > > interest to learn. In my

> > > > > > > opinion I think it is quite an achievement for the group

> to not

> > > lose

> > > > > > sight of it's purpose

> > > > > > > and not give in to any deviations. There is a certain standard

> > > the

> > > > > > group had established

> > > > > > > since its inception. Although it would be good if there is an

> > > > > increase

> > > > > > in membership but I

> > > > > > > hope quality will not be compromised. I certainly like the

> > > direction

> > > > > > the group has taken but

> > > > > > > I wish there is more encouragement to beginners too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > sreesog@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > I was just going through our group membership statistics -

> > > some

> > > > > > brief

> > > > > > > > observations follows:

> > > > > > > > Founded: Apr 3, 2006

> > > > > > > > Age: 1 Year 5 Months

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Total individuals took membership: 664

> > > > > > > > Current Members: 608

> > > > > > > > Members Unsubscibed : 56

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rate of Unsubscription: 56/664 = 8.43

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i.e. One out of Eight members who joins the group finds it

> > > > > > > > unsatisfactory and s later! Or in other words

> Seven

> > > out

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Eight members likes the group and stays in it! Do you

> find it

> > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > or positive ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Average Number of 'New members' per month: 40

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Messages:

> > > > > > > > ---------

> > > > > > > > Total Number of Messages Posted till date: 2217

> > > > > > > > Average Number of Messages per month: 130

> > > > > > > > Average Number of Messages per Day: 4

> > > > > > > > Is the member participation sufficiently satisfactory?

> If not

> > > what

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > we do to imporve it?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Questions:

> > > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > > * What are your observations and suggestions based on the

> > > above

> > > > > > data?

> > > > > > > > * What do you feel about the group and its approach?

> > > > > > > > * If we need to change what are the suggestions for

> > > improvement?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>