Fwd: Mlechhas

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HinduCalendar , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

 

Dear Kaul ji,

The first step itself is wrong.

" yavanah hi mlechha, teshu samyak shastram idam sthitam

rishivat te-api pujyante, kim punar veda-vid dvijah "

 

These are not the words of Mihira but a Garga, and this is quoted by

Brihat Samhita, Adbhuta Sagara etc. As per the available quote Garga

about seasons available in Adbhuta Sagara the period of Garga should

be around BC 1400. Also note that Garga was a Jain Sage, and in some

of his quotes he mentions Budha, pushing the dates of origin of Jain

and Buddha religion back to the very Vedic period itself.

Don't mind Brihat samhita - the word 'Mlechha' finds its mention in

many other texts including Sukra Neeti (An Asura text) which is

mentioned in Mahabharata itself. The number of slokas in Sukra neeti

is also given in Mahabharata with matches with the today available

Sukra Neeti indicating that it is an uncorrupted text! If even texts

like Sukra Neeti, Arthasastra, Boudhayana sulba sutra, Adharva

vedeeya Jyotisham, Vedas etc mention - Mlechha, Yavana, Week days,

Signs such as Mesha, Yuga system etc; how are you going to safe guard

your funny belief in the " origin of the word Mlechha " AFTER

Mihira?!

Dear Kaul ji, I don't have anything against your researches, and

appreciate your efforts - but wonder how some of your groundless

beliefs in ideas such as -

* Origin of Yuga after Aryabhata

* Origin of the word 'Mlechha' after Mihira

* Nakshatra divisions the boundaries of which continuously get

modified (This is against Vedic knowledge!)

* The meaning of the word 'Yavana' is Greek etc

 

Only an individual who fail to see the depths can argue that the

sexagesimal division system (such as 1/60 division of day etc ) was

not present prior to Aryabhata etc. But I hope, in the light of the

lesson provided by the revealing history of the word Ghatika (the new

born hindi baby) and its forefather `Nalika/Nadika/Nazhika'; You

will see the possible better understanding an in-depth meaning and

vastness of the subjects under discussion; in a better way.

 

==>

> no reference to such a date of Kaliyuga in any Purana or Itihiasa

> etc., leave alone the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha!

<==

How can you be so absurd in arguments ! - Kali Yuga is mentioned

even in Vatmiki Ramayana and Mahabharata; as well as in most of the

Puranas!

Ofcourse Yuga is a mathematical concept rather than a reality.

Without associating it with the precession, how you are going to

understand it, I wonder! You cannot discard the existence of this

mathematical concept in ancient time - due to the availability of

evidence; but still they don't represent human years either - I

agree.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Mesage No. 1444 of December 2006, being reposted.

> AKK

> HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Shri Suresh Balaraman ji,

> Namaskar!

> The word " mlechha " is found in the very first indigenous work of

> mundane astrology viz. Brihat Samhita by the very first indigenous

> astrologer viz. Varahamihra of 5th century AD. He has said, and I

> quote

> " yavanah hi mlechha, teshu samyak shastram idam sthitam

> rishivat te-api pujyante, kim punar veda-vid dvijah "

>

> " Yavanas are mlechhas and this 'science' (of predictive astrology)

is

> well ingrained in them. As such, even they, (in spite of being

> mlechhas) are treated as Rishis " .

>

> Everybody knows that by Yavanas he meant the Greeks since he has

> referred to several of them like Maya, Manitha etc. and at several

> places, he has just said " Yavanah OOchuh " , i.e. " This is what the

> yavanas say " .

>

> The author of the Surya Sidhanta, viz. Maya has referred to himelf

> as

> " Asura " . The literal meaning of that word is " some one whose nature

> is contrary to that of suras i.e he is an anti-god " ! This asura

word

> is sometimes said to mean rakshasas also.

>

> That is why I call the Surya Sidhanta a work of Maya the mlechha,

> since that is what Varahamihira has called the Yavanas.

> It also means that the very first work of planetary astronomy of

> India

> had been compiled by an Asura! We would have discarded that work

> several centuries back, but he hoodwinked us by saying that the

> knowledge of planetary science had been revealed to him by sun-god

as

> he had pleased Him by Tapasya!

>

> The Greeks themselves made a lot of progress in astronomy and

> corrected their fundamental arguments etc. with the passage of

time.

> But by taking a subterfuge of pleasing Sun-god by Tapasya, we were

> left with an astronomical work which is a disaster in every sense of

> the word, since neither are the fundamental arguments of planets,

nor

> the basic tenets nor even the observed positions correct in any

> manner

> whatsoevfer. This can be checked by anybody by " Mahesh " program.

On

> the other hand, we have been saddled with an imaginary Kaliyuga by

> the

> same sidhanta since as per the SS, the mean longitudes of all the

> planets were zero at the start of Kaliyuga, which is actually an

> astronomical impossibility! Being under the hypnosis of " Tapasya " ,

> we

> have never questioned its accuracy either, though there is

absolutely

> no reference to such a date of Kaliyuga in any Purana or Itihiasa

> etc., leave alone the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha! We do not even

> realise that by claiming that Kaliyuga started in 3102 BC, the

> Vedanga

> Jyotisha must have been a later Kaliyuga work then! Similarly, all

> the sidhantas like Pitamaha etc. are also Kaliyugi works then!

>

> It is not, therefore, surprsing at all that Varahamihia has called

> the

> Surya Sidhanta by such a " mlechha " the most accurate sidhanta! It

> must

> have been a cipher among blinds! That statement of Varahamihira will

> give you some idea as to how accurate his predictions could be! No

> wonder, Varahamihira is the role model of today's astrologers!

> With regards,

> Avtar Krishen Kaul

>

>

>

> HinduCalendar , " sureshbalaraman "

> <sureshbalaraman@> wrote:

> >

> > My understanding of the word is just,that people outside of

> > Bharath,nothing derogatory about it-simply termed foreigners!!

> >

>

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