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Dear friends,

Namaste!

Please help me in making my " half-baked " theories " full-baked " by

telling me as to which mantras refer to Mesha etc. Rashis and

Mangal, Shani etc. planets or Kalasarpa etc yogas etc. in the Vedas

or the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. etc. Pleases also let me know as to

which shastra, inlcudeing the Manusmriti or the Bhagavata or the

Gita etc. etc. has advised us to go to the battlefield only after

consulting our horoscopes!

So long as there are no such proofs, I will take me latest " half-

baked " theories as " full-baked " .

Dhanyavad.

AKK

, kumar kumar

<kumar07306 wrote:

>

> let mr kk finish is half baked into full baked are

> well done let him come back shreenadh ji let him not

> poison the group with sarcastic comments and it is

> iritating, hope this guy come up with full baked are

> be nice and positive and preserve the atmosphere in

> the group rajk.[You must have noted through my various

> posts that I keep on exposing

> my own erlier half-baked theories with later

> discoveries ]

> --- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology

> wrote:

>

> > Namaste Sri Sreenadh

> >

> > I wonder who the parrot is - one who keeps saying

> > " Not vedic astrology "

> > " not vedic astrology " or one who simply knows what

> > Vedic Astrology is about.

> >

> >

> > Vedas are considered by 3000 to 5000 years old by

> > many. Are we not Vedic,

> > despite not living in that age? The fact is Vedic is

> > a way of life. A vedic

> > person knows how to treat Astrology and therefore,

> > it is Vedic Astrology. He

> > knows the science, use and limitation of the

> > subject. He does not need a

> > " parrot " to fill onself with wrong beliefs.

> >

> > Like I said earlier, Sri Kaul tends to get personal

> > and use borderline

> > abusive words to aggrieve most readers. His recent

> > email is a fine example

> > of his modus operandi. Only ask questions, do not

> > offer any explanations. He

> > has not responded to any questions that you and I

> > asked him in last one and

> > half years.

> >

> > If he is arrogantly and ignorantly " convinced "

> > about his ideas, let him

> > practice them. Let him not abuse others. Perhaps it

> > is time to tell the

> > parrot to fly and not try to sound like a koel.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> > On 6/18/07, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Sreenadhji,

> > > I have read all the books by the famous

> > astrologer. His " Notable

> > > Horoscopes " is especialy a good for nothing book

> > since the data at

> > > one place does not agree with the data in the same

> > book at another

> > > place! In fact, he has given his own chart also in

> > that book but

> > > that as well is incorrect!

> > > Surprisingly, correct predictions were ascribed to

> > planetary

> > > positions of very old charts without taking into

> > account Delta Time

> > > corrections, which could be from 10 minute to even

> > 24 hours!!

> > > Almost ninety per cent charts are wrong! Anybody

> > can check them

> > > with computers today!

> > >

> > > There is no personal vendetta about anybody! But

> > the fact remains

> > > that if someone can make correct predictions from

> > incorrect data he

> > > must be a charlatan!

> > > Now that you have Ganesh programs you can check

> > the " horoscopic

> > > particulars " -- at least mean planetary positions

> > -- of

> > > Varahamihira -- supposing he was born at 12 noon

> > on January 1, 500

> > > AD or say 450 AD. The differences in planetary

> > longitudes, whether

> > > you take them as sayana or Lahiri nirayana, are

> > considerable,

> > > whether you take old Surya Sidhanta or current

> > Surya Sidhanta, or

> > > even Aryabhati!

> > >

> > > Well, I am sorry I cannot accept the statement

> > that spashta-taro

> > > savitra because then today's astronomy is wrong!

> > If that is so,

> > > then we should stop preparing horscopes from the

> > latest astronomical

> > > parameters and go back into dark ages of the Surya

> > Sidhanta and so

> > > on!

> > >

> > > What is surprising all the more is that till a

> > century back, all the

> > > astrologers could make correct predictions from

> > the same Surya

> > > Sidhanta or Aryabhati or AryaSidahnta or

> > Brahmasphuta Sidhanta or

> > > even Graha Laghava and they fought like Kilkenny

> > cats to vouch for

> > > their accuracy! Now all of them are vocferously

> > voting for modern

> > > astronomy! You cannot have the cake and eat it as

> > well! If the

> > > earlier fundamental arguments were wrong there

> > could never have been

> > > correct predictions from them. And if they were

> > correct, we must

> > > stop taking recourse to modern astronomy!

> > >

> > > Regarding the parameters used in Ganesh and Mahes

> > programs, please

> > > rest assured that they have been checked and cross

> > checked and

> > > tallied hudnreds of times with all the available

> > data etc. etc. As

> > > on date, Mahesh is the most accurate program and

> > even with any new

> > > developments in modern astronomy, the results of

> > the past in around

> > > 10000 BC or in future around 10000 AD will not

> > vary by plus/minus

> > > more than about 10 arcminutes for sun or moon or

> > planets. There is

> > > no possibility of any changes in the mean elements

> > of the sidhantas

> > > since they have been fixed by " Surya Bhagwa "

> > (acutally Maya the

> > > mlechha!) and so on! They are not going to change

> > their stands now!

> > >

> > > Regarding Parshara Sidhanta etc., I wonder whether

> > you have gone

> > > through the papers of Dr. R. N. Iyengar, which are

> > available at

> > > HinduCalendar forum! He has referred to Adbhuta

> > Sagara also. I am

> > > afraid I cannot upload them on this forum since I

> > do not have the

> > > permission of the author to upload them on any

> > other forums. Please

> > > go through those papers and see for yourself the

> > real state of

> > > affair in ancient India vis-a-vis planetary

> > astronomy.

> > >

> > > It is alright to go on repeating like a parrot

> > " Vedeic

> > > astrology " " vedic astrology " but even scholars

> > like Dr. Vartak have

> > > yet to find Makara Rashi in any of the Vedas! Can

> > any of the

> > > scholars of this forum give me the exact mantra

> > which gives the

> > > names of rashis in any order, whether Mesha,

> > Vrisha etc. or Mina,

> > > Kumbha etc.? It is a challenge to all the scholars

> > of this forum.

> > > We must not forget that the Vedanga Jyotisha is

> > silent about such

> > > useless parameters, so is the Yajur Jyotisha,

> > Atharva Jytoisha,

> > > Pitamaha Sidhanta, Vasishtha Sidhata etc. etc.

> > Even Surya

> > > Prajnyapti is siletn about Mesha etc. Rashis or

> > Mangal, Shanki etc.

> > > planets wheres all the Vedas are full of

> > references to Krita,Rohini

> > > etc. nakshatras time and again!

> > >

> > > The million dollar question is: Why does the

> > Mahbharata not list any

> > > of the Rashis, especially since it has declared

> > unequivocally that

> > > what is contained therein is contaiend in other

> > shaastras and what

> > > is not contained therein cannot be found anywhere

> > else!

> > > Regards,

> > > AKK

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > AKK

> > > --- In

> >

> <%

40>,

> > > " Sreenadh "

> > >

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji,

> > > > There is a fundamental thing to be understood -

> > > >

> > > > With the rule of Muslims and British especially

> > in North India

> > > > ancient astrological books become almost

> > unavailable. Neither the

> > > > ancient horas nor the continuity was kept. The

> > Vedic literature

> > > > (Vedas, Upanishads etc) survived because they

> > were considered holy

> > > or

> > > > religious in nature. The astrologers in North

> > india

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Kaul ji,

Stop this useless battles with everybody. (sic!) Please concentrate

on real study and share the results.

 

Kumar ji 'half-baked' or 'full-baked' knowledge is valuable.

==>

> let mr kk finish is half baked into full baked are

> well done let him come back(sic!)

<==

What is this?! Please be patient.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> Namaste!

> Please help me in making my " half-baked " theories " full-baked " by

> telling me as to which mantras refer to Mesha etc. Rashis and

> Mangal, Shani etc. planets or Kalasarpa etc yogas etc. in the Vedas

> or the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. etc. Pleases also let me know as to

> which shastra, inlcudeing the Manusmriti or the Bhagavata or the

> Gita etc. etc. has advised us to go to the battlefield only after

> consulting our horoscopes!

> So long as there are no such proofs, I will take me latest " half-

> baked " theories as " full-baked " .

> Dhanyavad.

> AKK

> , kumar kumar

> <kumar07306@> wrote:

> >

> > let mr kk finish is half baked into full baked are

> > well done let him come back shreenadh ji let him not

> > poison the group with sarcastic comments and it is

> > iritating, hope this guy come up with full baked are

> > be nice and positive and preserve the atmosphere in

> > the group rajk.[You must have noted through my various

> > posts that I keep on exposing

> > my own erlier half-baked theories with later

> > discoveries ]

> > --- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste Sri Sreenadh

> > >

> > > I wonder who the parrot is - one who keeps saying

> > > " Not vedic astrology "

> > > " not vedic astrology " or one who simply knows what

> > > Vedic Astrology is about.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedas are considered by 3000 to 5000 years old by

> > > many. Are we not Vedic,

> > > despite not living in that age? The fact is Vedic is

> > > a way of life. A vedic

> > > person knows how to treat Astrology and therefore,

> > > it is Vedic Astrology. He

> > > knows the science, use and limitation of the

> > > subject. He does not need a

> > > " parrot " to fill onself with wrong beliefs.

> > >

> > > Like I said earlier, Sri Kaul tends to get personal

> > > and use borderline

> > > abusive words to aggrieve most readers. His recent

> > > email is a fine example

> > > of his modus operandi. Only ask questions, do not

> > > offer any explanations. He

> > > has not responded to any questions that you and I

> > > asked him in last one and

> > > half years.

> > >

> > > If he is arrogantly and ignorantly " convinced "

> > > about his ideas, let him

> > > practice them. Let him not abuse others. Perhaps it

> > > is time to tell the

> > > parrot to fly and not try to sound like a koel.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 6/18/07, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shri Sreenadhji,

> > > > I have read all the books by the famous

> > > astrologer. His " Notable

> > > > Horoscopes " is especialy a good for nothing book

> > > since the data at

> > > > one place does not agree with the data in the same

> > > book at another

> > > > place! In fact, he has given his own chart also in

> > > that book but

> > > > that as well is incorrect!

> > > > Surprisingly, correct predictions were ascribed to

> > > planetary

> > > > positions of very old charts without taking into

> > > account Delta Time

> > > > corrections, which could be from 10 minute to even

> > > 24 hours!!

> > > > Almost ninety per cent charts are wrong! Anybody

> > > can check them

> > > > with computers today!

> > > >

> > > > There is no personal vendetta about anybody! But

> > > the fact remains

> > > > that if someone can make correct predictions from

> > > incorrect data he

> > > > must be a charlatan!

> > > > Now that you have Ganesh programs you can check

> > > the " horoscopic

> > > > particulars " -- at least mean planetary positions

> > > -- of

> > > > Varahamihira -- supposing he was born at 12 noon

> > > on January 1, 500

> > > > AD or say 450 AD. The differences in planetary

> > > longitudes, whether

> > > > you take them as sayana or Lahiri nirayana, are

> > > considerable,

> > > > whether you take old Surya Sidhanta or current

> > > Surya Sidhanta, or

> > > > even Aryabhati!

> > > >

> > > > Well, I am sorry I cannot accept the statement

> > > that spashta-taro

> > > > savitra because then today's astronomy is wrong!

> > > If that is so,

> > > > then we should stop preparing horscopes from the

> > > latest astronomical

> > > > parameters and go back into dark ages of the Surya

> > > Sidhanta and so

> > > > on!

> > > >

> > > > What is surprising all the more is that till a

> > > century back, all the

> > > > astrologers could make correct predictions from

> > > the same Surya

> > > > Sidhanta or Aryabhati or AryaSidahnta or

> > > Brahmasphuta Sidhanta or

> > > > even Graha Laghava and they fought like Kilkenny

> > > cats to vouch for

> > > > their accuracy! Now all of them are vocferously

> > > voting for modern

> > > > astronomy! You cannot have the cake and eat it as

> > > well! If the

> > > > earlier fundamental arguments were wrong there

> > > could never have been

> > > > correct predictions from them. And if they were

> > > correct, we must

> > > > stop taking recourse to modern astronomy!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the parameters used in Ganesh and Mahes

> > > programs, please

> > > > rest assured that they have been checked and cross

> > > checked and

> > > > tallied hudnreds of times with all the available

> > > data etc. etc. As

> > > > on date, Mahesh is the most accurate program and

> > > even with any new

> > > > developments in modern astronomy, the results of

> > > the past in around

> > > > 10000 BC or in future around 10000 AD will not

> > > vary by plus/minus

> > > > more than about 10 arcminutes for sun or moon or

> > > planets. There is

> > > > no possibility of any changes in the mean elements

> > > of the sidhantas

> > > > since they have been fixed by " Surya Bhagwa "

> > > (acutally Maya the

> > > > mlechha!) and so on! They are not going to change

> > > their stands now!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding Parshara Sidhanta etc., I wonder whether

> > > you have gone

> > > > through the papers of Dr. R. N. Iyengar, which are

> > > available at

> > > > HinduCalendar forum! He has referred to Adbhuta

> > > Sagara also. I am

> > > > afraid I cannot upload them on this forum since I

> > > do not have the

> > > > permission of the author to upload them on any

> > > other forums. Please

> > > > go through those papers and see for yourself the

> > > real state of

> > > > affair in ancient India vis-a-vis planetary

> > > astronomy.

> > > >

> > > > It is alright to go on repeating like a parrot

> > > " Vedeic

> > > > astrology " " vedic astrology " but even scholars

> > > like Dr. Vartak have

> > > > yet to find Makara Rashi in any of the Vedas! Can

> > > any of the

> > > > scholars of this forum give me the exact mantra

> > > which gives the

> > > > names of rashis in any order, whether Mesha,

> > > Vrisha etc. or Mina,

> > > > Kumbha etc.? It is a challenge to all the scholars

> > > of this forum.

> > > > We must not forget that the Vedanga Jyotisha is

> > > silent about such

> > > > useless parameters, so is the Yajur Jyotisha,

> > > Atharva Jytoisha,

> > > > Pitamaha Sidhanta, Vasishtha Sidhata etc. etc.

> > > Even Surya

> > > > Prajnyapti is siletn about Mesha etc. Rashis or

> > > Mangal, Shanki etc.

> > > > planets wheres all the Vedas are full of

> > > references to Krita,Rohini

> > > > etc. nakshatras time and again!

> > > >

> > > > The million dollar question is: Why does the

> > > Mahbharata not list any

> > > > of the Rashis, especially since it has declared

> > > unequivocally that

> > > > what is contained therein is contaiend in other

> > > shaastras and what

> > > > is not contained therein cannot be found anywhere

> > > else!

> > > > Regards,

> > > > AKK

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > AKK

> > > > --- In

> > >

> > <%

> 40>,

> > > > " Sreenadh "

> > > >

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji,

> > > > > There is a fundamental thing to be understood -

> > > > >

> > > > > With the rule of Muslims and British especially

> > > in North India

> > > > > ancient astrological books become almost

> > > unavailable. Neither the

> > > > > ancient horas nor the continuity was kept. The

> > > Vedic literature

> > > > > (Vedas, Upanishads etc) survived because they

> > > were considered holy

> > > > or

> > > > > religious in nature. The astrologers in North

> > > india

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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now i am confused i can't do that i can't take it as

full baked as it is clear that this are half baked how

can, i hope sreenadh ji may convince me, may be, not

sure, i see little honey in kk but more bee stings,

wat members think???

--- Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote:

 

> Dear friends,

> Namaste!

> Please help me in making my " half-baked " theories

> " full-baked " by

> telling me as to which mantras refer to Mesha etc.

> Rashis and

> Mangal, Shani etc. planets or Kalasarpa etc yogas

> etc. in the Vedas

> or the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. etc. Pleases also let

> me know as to

> which shastra, inlcudeing the Manusmriti or the

> Bhagavata or the

> Gita etc. etc. has advised us to go to the

> battlefield only after

> consulting our horoscopes!

> So long as there are no such proofs, I will take me

> latest " half-

> baked " theories as " full-baked " .

> Dhanyavad.

> AKK

> ,

> kumar kumar

> <kumar07306 wrote:

> >

> > let mr kk finish is half baked into full baked are

> > well done let him come back shreenadh ji let him

> not

> > poison the group with sarcastic comments and it is

> > iritating, hope this guy come up with full baked

> are

> > be nice and positive and preserve the atmosphere

> in

> > the group rajk.[You must have noted through my

> various

> > posts that I keep on exposing

> > my own erlier half-baked theories with later

> > discoveries ]

> > --- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste Sri Sreenadh

> > >

> > > I wonder who the parrot is - one who keeps

> saying

> > > " Not vedic astrology "

> > > " not vedic astrology " or one who simply knows

> what

> > > Vedic Astrology is about.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedas are considered by 3000 to 5000 years old

> by

> > > many. Are we not Vedic,

> > > despite not living in that age? The fact is

> Vedic is

> > > a way of life. A vedic

> > > person knows how to treat Astrology and

> therefore,

> > > it is Vedic Astrology. He

> > > knows the science, use and limitation of the

> > > subject. He does not need a

> > > " parrot " to fill onself with wrong beliefs.

> > >

> > > Like I said earlier, Sri Kaul tends to get

> personal

> > > and use borderline

> > > abusive words to aggrieve most readers. His

> recent

> > > email is a fine example

> > > of his modus operandi. Only ask questions, do

> not

> > > offer any explanations. He

> > > has not responded to any questions that you and

> I

> > > asked him in last one and

> > > half years.

> > >

> > > If he is arrogantly and ignorantly " convinced "

> > > about his ideas, let him

> > > practice them. Let him not abuse others. Perhaps

> it

> > > is time to tell the

> > > parrot to fly and not try to sound like a koel.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 6/18/07, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shri Sreenadhji,

> > > > I have read all the books by the famous

> > > astrologer. His " Notable

> > > > Horoscopes " is especialy a good for nothing

> book

> > > since the data at

> > > > one place does not agree with the data in the

> same

> > > book at another

> > > > place! In fact, he has given his own chart

> also in

> > > that book but

> > > > that as well is incorrect!

> > > > Surprisingly, correct predictions were

> ascribed to

> > > planetary

> > > > positions of very old charts without taking

> into

> > > account Delta Time

> > > > corrections, which could be from 10 minute to

> even

> > > 24 hours!!

> > > > Almost ninety per cent charts are wrong!

> Anybody

> > > can check them

> > > > with computers today!

> > > >

> > > > There is no personal vendetta about anybody!

> But

> > > the fact remains

> > > > that if someone can make correct predictions

> from

> > > incorrect data he

> > > > must be a charlatan!

> > > > Now that you have Ganesh programs you can

> check

> > > the " horoscopic

> > > > particulars " -- at least mean planetary

> positions

> > > -- of

> > > > Varahamihira -- supposing he was born at 12

> noon

> > > on January 1, 500

> > > > AD or say 450 AD. The differences in planetary

> > > longitudes, whether

> > > > you take them as sayana or Lahiri nirayana,

> are

> > > considerable,

> > > > whether you take old Surya Sidhanta or current

> > > Surya Sidhanta, or

> > > > even Aryabhati!

> > > >

> > > > Well, I am sorry I cannot accept the statement

> > > that spashta-taro

> > > > savitra because then today's astronomy is

> wrong!

> > > If that is so,

> > > > then we should stop preparing horscopes from

> the

> > > latest astronomical

> > > > parameters and go back into dark ages of the

> Surya

> > > Sidhanta and so

> > > > on!

> > > >

> > > > What is surprising all the more is that till a

> > > century back, all the

> > > > astrologers could make correct predictions

> from

> > > the same Surya

> > > > Sidhanta or Aryabhati or AryaSidahnta or

> > > Brahmasphuta Sidhanta or

> > > > even Graha Laghava and they fought like

> Kilkenny

> > > cats to vouch for

> > > > their accuracy! Now all of them are

> vocferously

> > > voting for modern

> > > > astronomy! You cannot have the cake and eat it

> as

> > > well! If the

> > > > earlier fundamental arguments were wrong there

> > > could never have been

> > > > correct predictions from them. And if they

> were

> > > correct, we must

> > > > stop taking recourse to modern astronomy!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the parameters used in Ganesh and

> Mahes

> > > programs, please

> > > > rest assured that they have been checked and

> cross

> > > checked and

> > > > tallied hudnreds of times with all the

> available

> > > data etc. etc. As

> > > > on date, Mahesh is the most accurate program

> and

> > > even with any new

> > > > developments in modern astronomy, the results

> of

> > > the past in around

> > > > 10000 BC or in future around 10000 AD will not

> > > vary by plus/minus

> > > > more than about 10 arcminutes for sun or moon

> or

> > > planets. There is

> > > > no possibility of any changes in the mean

> elements

>

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