Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Many Rsis such as Vashistha, Bhrgu, and Garga were masters of astrology and taught it to their disciples in the Guru parampara (disciplic succession). Before the beginning of the present age, Kali-yuga, which began in 3102 B.C., Parasara Rsi milked the essence of the various schools of Vedic astrology present at his time and distilled it into his text known as the Brhad Parasara Hora Sastra. Parasara Rsi spoke this text to his disciple Maitreya Rsi, and Maitreya taught it to his disciples and it was passed in this way through the ages. Thus, the basic school of Vedic astrology practiced in India is called the Parasara school of astrology. Parasara was among the last of the Rsis (great sages) of the Vedic age. After him it was humans who preserved the line of Vedic astrology. Notable amongst them was Satyacarya and in particular Varaha Mihira who wrote several important texts on astrology. After them several other texts were composed which are also considered "classics" of Vedic astrology, such as Saravali, Jataka Parijata, Sarvartha Cintamani, and Horasara. All of these texts follow Parasara in their teachings. There are six main branches of Vedic astrology: Gola -- positional astronomy Ganita -- mathematical diagnostic tools for analyzing the results of Gola Jataka -- natal astrology Prasna -- answering specific questions based upon the time the question is asked Muhurta -- selecting an auspicious time to start something Nimitta -- omens and portents. There are also many sub-branches. The sages following Parasara have written texts on all branches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Dear Kaushikack ji, We can not find the concepts like AK followed by Parasara in avilable slokas of Skanda, Vasishta, Kousika, Saunaka, Garga horas. The same is not available in the texts of Yavana scholl such as Spujidhwaja Hora, Meenaraja hora etc as well. Except Jaimini (who is not listed in the 18 acharyas by ancient sages) none seems to mention or follow such a system. Parasara was neither the biginning nor the end of ancient indian astrology. Before parasara we have Skanda, Vasishta, Kausika, Atri, Garga etc and After parasara we have Satyacharya, Mihira, Kalyana varma and Mantreswara. As per the parasara samhita sloka quoted by Bhattolpala in the commentry of Brihat samhita, the period of Parasara (the auther of Parasara sidhanta, parasara hora, parasara samhita) can be calculated to be around BC 1400. Possibly this is not the parasara who lived in the Mahabharata period (Eg. 3102 B.C) Ofcourse Parasara's system is important in ancient indian astrology and is valued. But the following statement is utterly wrong: ==> > Thus, the basic school of Vedic astrology practiced in India is > called the Parasara school of astrology. <== Again - ==> > Parasara was among the last of the Rsis (great sages) of the Vedic > age. After him it was humans who preserved the line of Vedic astrology. <== Sages were present in every age and and they too are humans. As mentioned earlier Parasara was neither the beginning nor the end, but was great master, a well respected sage, a treasure house of knowledge. ==> > Saravali, Jataka Parijata, Sarvartha Cintamani, and Horasara. > All of these texts follow Parasara in their teachings. <== Wrong, and a statement full of partiality!! Satyacharya = He was a teacher who fully followed arsha school (as taught by Skanda, Daksha, Vasishta, Kausika, Saunaka etc) Mihira (Brihat Jataka) = He briefs the essence of ancient indian astrology, following feets of great sages like Skanda, Daksha, Vasishta, Kausika (Viswamitra) and Garga, as well evident from the available slokas of these texts. (He even copies the words, same as in them at several instances). He also refers to Yavana school, Maya (student of Surya - a sage of arsha school), Manindha (student of Yavana school), Atri (A sage of arsha school), Parasara (A sage who mixed either his own or jaimini's system with arsha school) in his book. None of Mihira's books are an effort to follow Parasara alone! Saravali : Saravali itself states that it is an effort to deal with subjects that are not dealt in detail by Mihira in Brihat Jataka. There fore this text is a continuation of Brihat Jataka. Kalyana varma (Author of Saravali) tells us that he will quote all those missing knowledge (that is not provided by Mihira) from texts of Arha, Yavana and Garga (Jain) schools. Therefore it is also not an effort to follow the foot prints of Parasara, as evident from the fact that the concepts like AK, Arudha etc is not even gets mentioned in Saravali. Jataka Parijata: Parijata itself states that it is an effort to elaborate the teachings of Mihira, following the path of Saravali. It gives more importance to Saravali and tries to elaborate it, as stated in that text itself. Can you find AK, Arudha etc concepts (which are actually part of jaimini system) in Jataka Parijatha? Sarvartha Cintamani: Does it says that it is trying to elaborate Parasara? Or is there any literary proof of 'Sarvartha Chintamani' using the concepts that are unique to Parasara? Horasara: It is written by son of Mihira, Prithu Yasas. Can you find AK, Arudha etc in Horasara?!! I think not. Horasara is an effort to elaborate the the teaching of ancient sages who mostly followed either Arsha school (Skanda lineage) or Jain school (Garga lineage). Note: Since NONE of the sages (except Jaimini who is not mentioned by the sages as an techer of astrology) use the systems that are unique to Parasara. Even when Parasara is mentioned it is for knowledge and statement that falls in line with the ancient system (and not for AK, Arudha etc). Possibly the text by Parasara (Brihat Parasara hora) these sages are mentioning could be different from the one in popularity today. It is also possible that some astrologer of Jaimini system interpolated the slokas created for Jaimini system into then available Parasara Hora. It could be that, currently we are having an interpolated text with the name of Parasara Hora, rather than the original Parasara hora (which must have been in line with the teaching of sages before him, especially Brahma and Skanda). Love, Sreenadh , " kaushikack " <kaushikack wrote: > > > Many Rsis such as Vashistha, Bhrgu, and Garga were masters of astrology > and taught it to their disciples in the Guru parampara (disciplic > succession). Before the beginning of the present age, Kali-yuga, which > began in 3102 B.C., Parasara Rsi milked the essence of the various > schools of Vedic astrology present at his time and distilled it into his > text known as the Brhad Parasara Hora Sastra. Parasara Rsi spoke this > text to his disciple Maitreya Rsi, and Maitreya taught it to his > disciples and it was passed in this way through the ages. Thus, the > basic school of Vedic astrology practiced in India is called the > Parasara school of astrology. Parasara was among the last of the Rsis > (great sages) of the Vedic age. After him it was humans who preserved > the line of Vedic astrology. Notable amongst them was Satyacarya and in > particular Varaha Mihira who wrote several important texts on astrology. > After them several other texts were composed which are also considered > " classics " of Vedic astrology, such as Saravali, Jataka Parijata, > Sarvartha Cintamani, and Horasara. All of these texts follow Parasara in > their teachings. > There are six main branches of Vedic astrology: Gola -- positional > astronomy > Ganita -- mathematical diagnostic tools for analyzing the results of > Gola > > Jataka > <http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/what_is_jyotish/what_is_ved ic_\ > astrology/what_is_vedic_astrology_2.html#Natal Reading> -- natal > astrology > > Prasna > <http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/what_is_jyotish/what_is_ved ic_\ > astrology/what_is_vedic_astrology_6.html#Prasna> -- answering specific > questions based upon the time the question is asked > > Muhurta > <http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/what_is_jyotish/what_is_ved ic_\ > astrology/what_is_vedic_astrology_6.html#Muhurta> -- selecting an > auspicious time to start something > > Nimitta > <http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/resources/articles/adp/asht ama\ > ngala_deva_prasna_2.html#Nimitta> -- omens and portents. > > There are also many sub-branches. The sages following Parasara have > written texts on all branches. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Dear Sreendh ji, Looks like you have vast knowledge of history of Indian Astrology. Thanks for your explanation. Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Kaushikack ji, > We can not find the concepts like AK followed by Parasara in > > avilable slokas of Skanda, Vasishta, Kousika, Saunaka, Garga > horas. > The same is not available in the texts of Yavana scholl such > as > Spujidhwaja Hora, Meenaraja hora etc as well. Except Jaimini > (who is > not listed in the 18 acharyas by ancient sages) none seems to > mention or follow such a system. > Parasara was neither the biginning nor the end of ancient > indian > astrology. Before parasara we have Skanda, Vasishta, Kausika, > Atri, > Garga etc and After parasara we have Satyacharya, Mihira, > Kalyana > varma and Mantreswara. As per the parasara samhita sloka > quoted by > Bhattolpala in the commentry of Brihat samhita, the period of > Parasara (the auther of Parasara sidhanta, parasara hora, > parasara > samhita) can be calculated to be around BC 1400. Possibly this > is > not the parasara who lived in the Mahabharata period (Eg. 3102 > B.C) > Ofcourse Parasara's system is important in ancient indian > astrology > and is valued. But the following statement is utterly wrong: > ==> > > Thus, the basic school of Vedic astrology practiced in India > is > > called the Parasara school of astrology. > <== > Again - > ==> > > Parasara was among the last of the Rsis (great sages) of the > Vedic > > age. After him it was humans who preserved the line of Vedic > > astrology. > <== > Sages were present in every age and and they too are humans. > As > mentioned earlier Parasara was neither the beginning nor the > end, > but was great master, a well respected sage, a treasure house > of > knowledge. > > ==> > > Saravali, Jataka Parijata, Sarvartha Cintamani, and > Horasara. > > All of these texts follow Parasara in their teachings. > <== > Wrong, and a statement full of partiality!! > > Satyacharya = He was a teacher who fully followed arsha > school (as > taught by Skanda, Daksha, Vasishta, Kausika, Saunaka etc) > > Mihira (Brihat Jataka) = He briefs the essence of ancient > indian > astrology, following feets of great sages like Skanda, Daksha, > > Vasishta, Kausika (Viswamitra) and Garga, as well evident from > the > available slokas of these texts. (He even copies the words, > same as > in them at several instances). He also refers to Yavana > school, Maya > (student of Surya - a sage of arsha school), Manindha (student > of > Yavana school), Atri (A sage of arsha school), Parasara (A > sage who > mixed either his own or jaimini's system with arsha school) in > his > book. None of Mihira's books are an effort to follow Parasara > alone! > Saravali : Saravali itself states that it is an effort to > deal with > subjects that are not dealt in detail by Mihira in Brihat > Jataka. > There fore this text is a continuation of Brihat Jataka. > Kalyana > varma (Author of Saravali) tells us that he will quote all > those > missing knowledge (that is not provided by Mihira) from texts > of > Arha, Yavana and Garga (Jain) schools. Therefore it is also > not an > effort to follow the foot prints of Parasara, as evident from > the > fact that the concepts like AK, Arudha etc is not even gets > mentioned in Saravali. > Jataka Parijata: Parijata itself states that it is an effort > to > elaborate the teachings of Mihira, following the path of > Saravali. > It gives more importance to Saravali and tries to elaborate > it, as > stated in that text itself. Can you find AK, Arudha etc > concepts > (which are actually part of jaimini system) in Jataka > Parijatha? > Sarvartha Cintamani: Does it says that it is trying to > elaborate > Parasara? Or is there any literary proof of 'Sarvartha > Chintamani' > using the concepts that are unique to Parasara? > Horasara: It is written by son of Mihira, Prithu Yasas. Can > you > find AK, Arudha etc in Horasara?!! I think not. Horasara is > an > effort to elaborate the the teaching of ancient sages who > mostly > followed either Arsha school (Skanda lineage) or Jain school > (Garga > lineage). > > Note: Since NONE of the sages (except Jaimini who is not > mentioned > by the sages as an techer of astrology) use the systems that > are > unique to Parasara. Even when Parasara is mentioned it is for > knowledge and statement that falls in line with the ancient > system > (and not for AK, Arudha etc). Possibly the text by Parasara > (Brihat > Parasara hora) these sages are mentioning could be different > from > the one in popularity today. It is also possible that some > astrologer of Jaimini system interpolated the slokas created > for > Jaimini system into then available Parasara Hora. It could be > that, > currently we are having an interpolated text with the name of > Parasara Hora, rather than the original Parasara hora (which > must > have been in line with the teaching of sages before him, > especially > Brahma and Skanda). > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " kaushikack " > <kaushikack wrote: > > > > > > Many Rsis such as Vashistha, Bhrgu, and Garga were masters > of > astrology > > and taught it to their disciples in the Guru parampara > (disciplic > > succession). Before the beginning of the present age, > Kali-yuga, > which > > began in 3102 B.C., Parasara Rsi milked the essence of the > various > > schools of Vedic astrology present at his time and distilled > it > into his > > text known as the Brhad Parasara Hora Sastra. Parasara Rsi > spoke > this > > text to his disciple Maitreya Rsi, and Maitreya taught it to > his > > disciples and it was passed in this way through the ages. > Thus, the > > basic school of Vedic astrology practiced in India is called > the > > Parasara school of astrology. Parasara was among the last of > the > Rsis > > (great sages) of the Vedic age. After him it was humans who > preserved > > the line of Vedic astrology. Notable amongst them was > Satyacarya > and in > > particular Varaha Mihira who wrote several important texts > on > astrology. > > After them several other texts were composed which are also > considered > > " classics " of Vedic astrology, such as Saravali, Jataka > Parijata, > > Sarvartha Cintamani, and Horasara. All of these texts follow > > Parasara in > > their teachings. > > There are six main branches of Vedic astrology: Gola -- > positional > > astronomy > > Ganita -- mathematical diagnostic tools for analyzing the > results > of > > Gola > > > > Jataka > > > <http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/what_is_jyotish/what_is_ved > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Dear Seetharama ji, There are only 3 major books that follow the system of Parasara. They are- 1) Jaimini Sutra Possibly written by a student of sage Jaimini. Possibly Jaimini himself was a student of Parasara if this book contains the advices of Jaimini. This book gives mostly the special rules, where us the main rules we have to take from BPHS. When there is a book that contains the major rules and another corollaries then, the second should be considered as written by one who considered the lineage provided by the first. If this logic is true, then Jaimini was a follower of Parasara System, who supplied several modifications to the same. 2) Leghu Parasari (Also known as Jataka Chandrika or Ududaya Pradeepam) We don't have any clear idea about the author or period of this book. But it is a very good book as far as applicatin and elaboration of Vimsotari Dasa system is concerned. 3) Sambhu hora prakash This text also fallows the Parasara lineage. Apart from the above three texts, none of the books follows the Parasara lineage, but rather follows the Arsha, Jain (Garga), Yavana schools of thought. We can not find any mention of Argala, AK, Karakamsa, Cara dasa, Aspect of Sign, Pada nirnaya (Arudha), Sula dasa etc (which are unique to Parasara system) in any of the Rishi horas. BPHS & Jaimini sutra deviates a lot from traditional system of Indian astrology, as depicted and elaborated by great sages like Skanda, Daksha, Vasishta, Brigu, Kausika (Viswamitra), Atri, Chyevana, Agastya, Brihaspati, Saunaka, Soma, Surya etc. The Parasara system deviates a lot from the the system depicted by them, which could be termed as Arsha school of astrlogy. Even the Jain school of Garga, Vridha Garga, Rishiputra etc is also in line with the teachings of this Arsha school, and does not present concepts that deviates from the main stream in a major way. Therefore it should be remembered that even when Parasara is mentioned by the sages it is not for Parasara's unique concepts (such as Argala, AK, Karakamsa, Cara dasa, Aspect of Sign, Pada nirnaya (Arudha), Sula dasa etc) but for his contributions that fall in line with the ancient system. Love, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sreendh ji, > > Looks like you have vast knowledge of history of Indian > Astrology. Thanks for your explanation. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Kaushikack ji, > > We can not find the concepts like AK followed by Parasara in > > > > avilable slokas of Skanda, Vasishta, Kousika, Saunaka, Garga > > horas. > > The same is not available in the texts of Yavana scholl such > > as > > Spujidhwaja Hora, Meenaraja hora etc as well. Except Jaimini > > (who is > > not listed in the 18 acharyas by ancient sages) none seems to > > mention or follow such a system. > > Parasara was neither the biginning nor the end of ancient > > indian > > astrology. Before parasara we have Skanda, Vasishta, Kausika, > > Atri, > > Garga etc and After parasara we have Satyacharya, Mihira, > > Kalyana > > varma and Mantreswara. As per the parasara samhita sloka > > quoted by > > Bhattolpala in the commentry of Brihat samhita, the period of > > Parasara (the auther of Parasara sidhanta, parasara hora, > > parasara > > samhita) can be calculated to be around BC 1400. Possibly this > > is > > not the parasara who lived in the Mahabharata period (Eg. 3102 > > B.C) > > Ofcourse Parasara's system is important in ancient indian > > astrology > > and is valued. But the following statement is utterly wrong: > > ==> > > > Thus, the basic school of Vedic astrology practiced in India > > is > > > called the Parasara school of astrology. > > <== > > Again - > > ==> > > > Parasara was among the last of the Rsis (great sages) of the > > Vedic > > > age. After him it was humans who preserved the line of Vedic > > > > astrology. > > <== > > Sages were present in every age and and they too are humans. > > As > > mentioned earlier Parasara was neither the beginning nor the > > end, > > but was great master, a well respected sage, a treasure house > > of > > knowledge. > > > > ==> > > > Saravali, Jataka Parijata, Sarvartha Cintamani, and > > Horasara. > > > All of these texts follow Parasara in their teachings. > > <== > > Wrong, and a statement full of partiality!! > > > > Satyacharya = He was a teacher who fully followed arsha > > school (as > > taught by Skanda, Daksha, Vasishta, Kausika, Saunaka etc) > > > > Mihira (Brihat Jataka) = He briefs the essence of ancient > > indian > > astrology, following feets of great sages like Skanda, Daksha, > > > > Vasishta, Kausika (Viswamitra) and Garga, as well evident from > > the > > available slokas of these texts. (He even copies the words, > > same as > > in them at several instances). He also refers to Yavana > > school, Maya > > (student of Surya - a sage of arsha school), Manindha (student > > of > > Yavana school), Atri (A sage of arsha school), Parasara (A > > sage who > > mixed either his own or jaimini's system with arsha school) in > > his > > book. None of Mihira's books are an effort to follow Parasara > > alone! > > Saravali : Saravali itself states that it is an effort to > > deal with > > subjects that are not dealt in detail by Mihira in Brihat > > Jataka. > > There fore this text is a continuation of Brihat Jataka. > > Kalyana > > varma (Author of Saravali) tells us that he will quote all > > those > > missing knowledge (that is not provided by Mihira) from texts > > of > > Arha, Yavana and Garga (Jain) schools. Therefore it is also > > not an > > effort to follow the foot prints of Parasara, as evident from > > the > > fact that the concepts like AK, Arudha etc is not even gets > > mentioned in Saravali. > > Jataka Parijata: Parijata itself states that it is an effort > > to > > elaborate the teachings of Mihira, following the path of > > Saravali. > > It gives more importance to Saravali and tries to elaborate > > it, as > > stated in that text itself. Can you find AK, Arudha etc > > concepts > > (which are actually part of jaimini system) in Jataka > > Parijatha? > > Sarvartha Cintamani: Does it says that it is trying to > > elaborate > > Parasara? Or is there any literary proof of 'Sarvartha > > Chintamani' > > using the concepts that are unique to Parasara? > > Horasara: It is written by son of Mihira, Prithu Yasas. Can > > you > > find AK, Arudha etc in Horasara?!! I think not. Horasara is > > an > > effort to elaborate the the teaching of ancient sages who > > mostly > > followed either Arsha school (Skanda lineage) or Jain school > > (Garga > > lineage). > > > > Note: Since NONE of the sages (except Jaimini who is not > > mentioned > > by the sages as an techer of astrology) use the systems that > > are > > unique to Parasara. Even when Parasara is mentioned it is for > > knowledge and statement that falls in line with the ancient > > system > > (and not for AK, Arudha etc). Possibly the text by Parasara > > (Brihat > > Parasara hora) these sages are mentioning could be different > > from > > the one in popularity today. It is also possible that some > > astrologer of Jaimini system interpolated the slokas created > > for > > Jaimini system into then available Parasara Hora. It could be > > that, > > currently we are having an interpolated text with the name of > > Parasara Hora, rather than the original Parasara hora (which > > must > > have been in line with the teaching of sages before him, > > especially > > Brahma and Skanda). > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " kaushikack " > > <kaushikack@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Many Rsis such as Vashistha, Bhrgu, and Garga were masters > > of > > astrology > > > and taught it to their disciples in the Guru parampara > > (disciplic > > > succession). Before the beginning of the present age, > > Kali-yuga, > > which > > > began in 3102 B.C., Parasara Rsi milked the essence of the > > various > > > schools of Vedic astrology present at his time and distilled > > it > > into his > > > text known as the Brhad Parasara Hora Sastra. Parasara Rsi > > spoke > > this > > > text to his disciple Maitreya Rsi, and Maitreya taught it to > > his > > > disciples and it was passed in this way through the ages. > > Thus, the > > > basic school of Vedic astrology practiced in India is called > > the > > > Parasara school of astrology. Parasara was among the last of > > the > > Rsis > > > (great sages) of the Vedic age. After him it was humans who > > preserved > > > the line of Vedic astrology. Notable amongst them was > > Satyacarya > > and in > > > particular Varaha Mihira who wrote several important texts > > on > > astrology. > > > After them several other texts were composed which are also > > considered > > > " classics " of Vedic astrology, such as Saravali, Jataka > > Parijata, > > > Sarvartha Cintamani, and Horasara. All of these texts follow > > > > Parasara in > > > their teachings. > > > There are six main branches of Vedic astrology: Gola -- > > positional > > > astronomy > > > Ganita -- mathematical diagnostic tools for analyzing the > > results > > of > > > Gola > > > > > > Jataka > > > > > > <http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/what_is_jyotish/what_is_ved > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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