Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Dear Sunil, ==> > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure astrology method. <== I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as everybody is experimenting with them. But apart from having this collection, I found none of them enough dependable, or something that directs us enough close to the truth. Of course Some of Bhattolpala's quotes are valuable (which is the only document I found which deals with the subject in an elaborate way using more than 36 slokas) it is not enough to arrive at a dependable result. No, I am not speaking about " Gayatri Shastra " or " Rudrabhatyiyam " . I am speaking about the book bhattolpala quoted while commenting on Brihat Samhita. He never quotes this much slokas (36!) from any other text together, while discussing about the subject. One should better be able to at least predict some of the life events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases that are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better be useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours in calculating the first letter. Of course if there is perfect and correct method that is available which can be computerized (to calculate the first name or the full name of the native), then it could be much useful, since that could clarify the authority and truth of astrology objectively. But sincerely I don't any such method around. But of course there are a host of methods available. Note: The same is true about " Deciphering the sex of the native from the natal chart " . If such a method can be objectively done by a computer program and give correct results, then the authenticity of astrology will be greatly emphasized. But when I posted the same here in this group, and requested astrologers to share there views on the same (I have a collection of methods for doing the same as well) every body was hesitant, and ran away from the subject. Love, Sreenadh , Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote: > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Sreenadh, > Pls call me Sunil without the ji. > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure astrology method. > > 2) a year back this method was used to predict to starting akshara of a person who was using a pen name called Soul Sadhak so her real name was not known - this prediction was done on the sohamsa list. This method was also used to predict akshara with success of the relatives of someone called Sundeep who writes by the name of astrosundeep if i remember well on the or rather ex- group of KNRao > > 3) 3 yrs back when i was in Ramakrishna Paramhansa Library, I saw an old book called Gayatri Shastra which i always wanted back but could not get that page again as i wanted to photocopy it, it said very clearly that 'An Astrologer who cannot predict the name of the persons spouse and the name of the town where he/she would come from is not an astrologer' - I know this is harsh and would not go down well with many here, but I have felt this is the truth, have thought about it very deeply, it makes perfect sense. > > 4) I know about the questioning trick in nadi centres, its not a pleasant experience > > 5) I presume u are talking of Bhattopala's Rudrabhatyiyam or which work, long back i had requested u to translate that same in english for us, can u post here or privately the method I would like to take it further with ur assistance. > > 6) Getting tangential, I have had discussions with some astrologers who said what is the use of predicting even the starting akshara of someone, he already knows his or her name and it would just be showing off ones predictive ability (which is what today astrology has become sadly) but i have dwelled far deeper into this aspect since the last one year and have realised that there is lot more that can be achieved by knowing the persons names etc, it is much more than what catches the eye u would agree maybe. > > > > > > Regards, > Sunil John > > P.S: If someone has that book Gayatri Shastra pls let me know privately i always wanted reference of that page number for personal reasons. > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:49:55 PM > Re: Name of family members > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > No, currently it is not possible to predict the name of family > > members, or even the name of the native itself using astrology. > > Bhattolpala gives some methods to derive the name of the native from > > horoscope, but none of them helps us to reach atleast near the truth. > > Forget normal astrology, even Nadi astrology does not have any " pure > > astrological method " to arrive at the family members. What they do > > currently is merely using a " questioning trick " to arrive at the name > > (as I could understand from many direct experience at vaiteswaran > > koil, in Tamil nadu). > > Please let me know, if you know anyone who can do the same. Please > > let me know. I would be happy to visit such astologers (Nadi, or non- > > nadi) with you. As I could see: There is NONE. Yes, no astrologer and > > no method to do the same. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > Something caught my eye on what u wrote > > > > > > He want the astrologer to predict, what is the name of his family > > members, > > > > > > Is it not possible to predict name of family members with normal > > astrology (not referring here to nadi readings or divine or non > > divine powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:36:18 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Are astrologers sincere?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear hmuttagi ji, > > > > > > * Often detailed analysis is necessary to ascertain the > > correctness > > > > > > of judgment > > > > > > * Most of the astrologers are not sincere (Because astrology > > becomes > > > > > > a tool for livelihood, money making, or fame); Sincere astrologers > > > > > > are rare. But remember there could be a big exception. There are > > many > > > > > > well learned professional astrologers who are very sincere (The > > > > > > sincerity sprigs from the respect for astrology), even though they > > > > > > are using astrology for livelihood. But there are many professional > > > > > > and amateur astrologers( ?) who does not have any understanding of > > the > > > > > > system and are just cheaters, and mere seekers of money or fame. > > Just > > > > > > like it is difficult to find a sincere professional astrologer, it > > is > > > > > > also difficult to find a sincere amateur astrologer. > > > > > > * Usually neither astrologers are fair to the querent, nor the > > > > > > querent fair to the astrologer. > > > > > > The querent usually wants the astrologer to waste his time and > > > > > > energy, even though he does not even know that astrologer in > > person. > > > > > > Usually he needs and even demands(!) a free reading, and is not > > > > > > willing to pay enough money to the professional astrologer. Even > > when > > > > > > he is ready to pay (thinking that he is consulting a professional > > > > > > astrologer), he makes the astrologer's life miserable by too many > > > > > > questions and by being addicted to astrology. He want the > > astrologer > > > > > > to predict, what is the name of his family members, and to answer > > the > > > > > > question why his wife quarreled with his yesterday!! When he is > > > > > > consulting an amateur astrologer, he makes his life miserable by > > > > > > demanding (!) the astrologer to waste much of his time and energy > > > > > > behind the same. But is usually even reluctant to express > > gratitude. > > > > > > * Astrology is a quest to know the future. A search, of the unknown > > > > > > (agnostic). It gives some clues, and is pleasure to pursue, as long > > > > > > as we are not addicted to it or depend too much on it, also as long > > > > > > as we are not much bothered about our horoscope or future. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " hmuttagi " > > > > > > <hmuttagi@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Ganeshaya namah, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an amateur reader of astrologer have read lot of books and > > > > > > postings > > > > > > > on various web sites. The sceince of interpreting Kundali (or the > > > > > > > rythmy of time as per Sreenadh) is very complex. It involves lot > > of > > > > > > > permutation and combination in order to arrive at correct > > > > > > judgement. > > > > > > > This being the case can astrologers just by looking at chart for > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > of minutes forecast the bhavishya of a native? Do they not ned to > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > at least couple of hours prior to verifying their judgement? 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Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Om Datta GuruDear Sreenadh,My reply below in blue===> I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as everybody is experimenting with them. <====SJ: I do not see any relevance to compare methods since I do not know the 10 methods that u have nor do u know the method thatis at experimentative stage, even if both were the same methods it is how an Individual uses the method that determines the efficacy of the methodE.g the way KNRao uses his own version of Chara Dasa nobody else can use the same dasa to predict the way KN Rao uses, i am talking of the same tool, ofcourse all can say that KNRao has not revealed his methodology completely. Even in the same vimshottari dasa simple methods within in, 2 astrologers can use it differently and arrive at different conclusions. The question always arises in mind is what an astrologer is able to do with whatever truity fruity techniques that he has recd at hand and whether he has been able to take that method to perfection, thats the effort our breed of astro students should put in. ====> One should better be able to at least predict some of the life events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases that are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better be useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours in calculating the first letter.<=====SJ: I was not expecting this reply from you since I thought u would have thought about it deeply as u possess shlokas, though when i had embarked on this journey of name finding I had just a bizarre idea. Anyways in point 6 i had written that there is more to meet the eye here in terms of its use and most astrologers would laugh way on even the idea of predicting the name or starting akshara. I had written a point 7 in the previous mail which i deleted it is reproduced below as to in a larger format1) In Bombay for e.g within the span of a lagna (say 2 or 2.5 hrs) hundreds of people would be born so do they have the same destiny in terms of the Rasi chart (natal chart), even with a Shastiamsa division spaning 2 mins roughly still many are born, best case is twins, but how is it that planets which give us so many minute details, do not give us that SPECIFIC NAME which creates our Identity. How is it that characters like James Bond, John Maclane (Die Hard series) , Rocky (Rocky Balboa - Stallone) become immortal, their names become immortal. Twins get two different names why. 2) When I had approached the old Maharastrian astrologer with the chart of George Bush and said to him that i had failed in my predictions and people say it is wrong chart (at that time most astrologers on the lists said they failed since they were using his wrong chart) . He saw the chart and I know he picked up a divisional, he worked hard, drew diagrams and said did this man had a younger sister with starting name akshara of R or Ru who is dead. I immediately replied that i do not think so since I felt he only had a brother who is from Texas or something. He said i should check and get back, i felt if it was so i would have known no need to check as i had watched documentary of on George Bush. It was few months later i came across the wikepedia site wherein it was mentioned that he had a ytounger sister by the name of Robin or something who died due to blood cancer.I was stunned since i remembered the words of the astrologer that the chart would be 100% correct if he had a younger sister by the name akshara of R or Ru (which when pronounced sounds like Ro for Robin).So I feel & know very well that to predict all that u have rightly said we need correct chart & to get correct chart this name akshara can be a correct tool & cannot be dismissed so easily. Seniors always repeat It is only when we do not know what astrology is capable of we dismiss it as something frivolous. To put more thought to our minds, we all know when a person goes for job interviews he is always in dilemma to know what salary expectation he should quote, whether it would be high or low or would he be rejected for quoting too high or even for quoting too low. For yrs everyone wanted an answer on what would be his salary in so and so dasa, is it possible to predict that, ofcourse we all know it is possible since past Famous astrologer has proved that with his method but then today we are all silent on this as astro students since we do not know how to predict salary and so we say no such method exists or Can Exist. Regards,Sunil John Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:28:17 PM Re: Name of family members/Gayatri Shastra Dear Sunil, ==> > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure astrology method. <== I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as everybody is experimenting with them. But apart from having this collection, I found none of them enough dependable, or something that directs us enough close to the truth. Of course Some of Bhattolpala' s quotes are valuable (which is the only document I found which deals with the subject in an elaborate way using more than 36 slokas) it is not enough to arrive at a dependable result. No, I am not speaking about "Gayatri Shastra" or "Rudrabhatyiyam" . I am speaking about the book bhattolpala quoted while commenting on Brihat Samhita. He never quotes this much slokas (36!) from any other text together, while discussing about the subject. One should better be able to at least predict some of the life events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases that are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better be useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours in calculating the first letter. Of course if there is perfect and correct method that is available which can be computerized (to calculate the first name or the full name of the native), then it could be much useful, since that could clarify the authority and truth of astrology objectively. But sincerely I don't any such method around. But of course there are a host of methods available. Note: The same is true about "Deciphering the sex of the native from the natal chart". If such a method can be objectively done by a computer program and give correct results, then the authenticity of astrology will be greatly emphasized. But when I posted the same here in this group, and requested astrologers to share there views on the same (I have a collection of methods for doing the same as well) every body was hesitant, and ran away from the subject. Love, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Sreenadh, > Pls call me Sunil without the ji. > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure astrology method. > > 2) a year back this method was used to predict to starting akshara of a person who was using a pen name called Soul Sadhak so her real name was not known - this prediction was done on the sohamsa list. This method was also used to predict akshara with success of the relatives of someone called Sundeep who writes by the name of astrosundeep if i remember well on the or rather ex- group of KNRao > > 3) 3 yrs back when i was in Ramakrishna Paramhansa Library, I saw an old book called Gayatri Shastra which i always wanted back but could not get that page again as i wanted to photocopy it, it said very clearly that 'An Astrologer who cannot predict the name of the persons spouse and the name of the town where he/she would come from is not an astrologer' - I know this is harsh and would not go down well with many here, but I have felt this is the truth, have thought about it very deeply, it makes perfect sense. > > 4) I know about the questioning trick in nadi centres, its not a pleasant experience > > 5) I presume u are talking of Bhattopala's Rudrabhatyiyam or which work, long back i had requested u to translate that same in english for us, can u post here or privately the method I would like to take it further with ur assistance. > > 6) Getting tangential, I have had discussions with some astrologers who said what is the use of predicting even the starting akshara of someone, he already knows his or her name and it would just be showing off ones predictive ability (which is what today astrology has become sadly) but i have dwelled far deeper into this aspect since the last one year and have realised that there is lot more that can be achieved by knowing the persons names etc, it is much more than what catches the eye u would agree maybe. > > > > > > Regards, > Sunil John > > P.S: If someone has that book Gayatri Shastra pls let me know privately i always wanted reference of that page number for personal reasons. > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:49:55 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > No, currently it is not possible to predict the name of family > > members, or even the name of the native itself using astrology. > > Bhattolpala gives some methods to derive the name of the native from > > horoscope, but none of them helps us to reach atleast near the truth. > > Forget normal astrology, even Nadi astrology does not have any "pure > > astrological method" to arrive at the family members. What they do > > currently is merely using a "questioning trick" to arrive at the name > > (as I could understand from many direct experience at vaiteswaran > > koil, in Tamil nadu). > > Please let me know, if you know anyone who can do the same. Please > > let me know. I would be happy to visit such astologers (Nadi, or non- > > nadi) with you. As I could see: There is NONE. Yes, no astrologer and > > no method to do the same. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > Something caught my eye on what u wrote > > > > > > He want the astrologer to predict, what is the name of his family > > members, > > > > > > Is it not possible to predict name of family members with normal > > astrology (not referring here to nadi readings or divine or non > > divine powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:36:18 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Are astrologers sincere?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear hmuttagi ji, > > > > > > * Often detailed analysis is necessary to ascertain the > > correctness > > > > > > of judgment > > > > > > * Most of the astrologers are not sincere (Because astrology > > becomes > > > > > > a tool for livelihood, money making, or fame); Sincere astrologers > > > > > > are rare. But remember there could be a big exception. There are > > many > > > > > > well learned professional astrologers who are very sincere (The > > > > > > sincerity sprigs from the respect for astrology), even though they > > > > > > are using astrology for livelihood. But there are many professional > > > > > > and amateur astrologers( ?) who does not have any understanding of > > the > > > > > > system and are just cheaters, and mere seekers of money or fame. > > Just > > > > > > like it is difficult to find a sincere professional astrologer, it > > is > > > > > > also difficult to find a sincere amateur astrologer. > > > > > > * Usually neither astrologers are fair to the querent, nor the > > > > > > querent fair to the astrologer. > > > > > > The querent usually wants the astrologer to waste his time and > > > > > > energy, even though he does not even know that astrologer in > > person. > > > > > > Usually he needs and even demands(!) a free reading, and is not > > > > > > willing to pay enough money to the professional astrologer. Even > > when > > > > > > he is ready to pay (thinking that he is consulting a professional > > > > > > astrologer), he makes the astrologer's life miserable by too many > > > > > > questions and by being addicted to astrology. He want the > > astrologer > > > > > > to predict, what is the name of his family members, and to answer > > the > > > > > > question why his wife quarreled with his yesterday!! When he is > > > > > > consulting an amateur astrologer, he makes his life miserable by > > > > > > demanding (!) the astrologer to waste much of his time and energy > > > > > > behind the same. But is usually even reluctant to express > > gratitude. > > > > > > * Astrology is a quest to know the future. A search, of the unknown > > > > > > (agnostic). It gives some clues, and is pleasure to pursue, as long > > > > > > as we are not addicted to it or depend too much on it, also as long > > > > > > as we are not much bothered about our horoscope or future. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "hmuttagi" > > > > > > <hmuttagi@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Ganeshaya namah, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an amateur reader of astrologer have read lot of books and > > > > > > postings > > > > > > > on various web sites. The sceince of interpreting Kundali (or the > > > > > > > rythmy of time as per Sreenadh) is very complex. It involves lot > > of > > > > > > > permutation and combination in order to arrive at correct > > > > > > judgement. > > > > > > > This being the case can astrologers just by looking at chart for > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > of minutes forecast the bhavishya of a native? Do they not ned to > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > at least couple of hours prior to verifying their judgement? Are > > > > > > > astrologers being fair to the querent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > > sans-serif;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > > clean, sans-serif;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > } > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > font-family: Arial; > > > clear:both;} > > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > padding:0 1px;} > > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- > > align:right; } > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > > #ygrp-grft{ > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Dear Sunil, Finding the name of the native is YOUR quest (and not mine). So you should follow it (and not me). All the best in your research after the name of the native. We expect to see the results of your efforts soon (as a well prepared document, elaborating the methods). I am already engaged in something else (as you know), and there is plenty of work in the field of astrology for everybody to put their effort into. We are expecting the results of your efforts as well. Love, Sreenadh , Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote: > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Sreenadh, > My reply below in blue > ===> > > I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to > > predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a > > collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in > > the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try > > to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you > > can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as > > everybody is experimenting with them. > <==== > SJ: I do not see any relevance to compare methods since I do not know the 10 methods that u have nor do u know the method that > is at experimentative stage, even if both were the same methods it is how an Individual uses the method that determines the efficacy of the method > E.g the way KNRao uses his own version of Chara Dasa nobody else can use the same dasa to predict the way KN Rao uses, i am talking of the same tool, ofcourse all can say that KNRao has not revealed his methodology completely. Even in the same vimshottari dasa simple methods within in, 2 astrologers can use it differently and arrive at different conclusions. The question always arises in mind is what an astrologer is able to do with whatever truity fruity techniques that he has recd at hand and whether he has been able to take that method to perfection, thats the effort our breed of astro students should put in. > > ====> > > One should better be able to at least predict some of the life > > events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases that > > are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world > > around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better be > > useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours in > > calculating the first letter. > <===== > SJ: I was not expecting this reply from you since I thought u would have thought about it deeply as u possess shlokas, though when i had embarked on this journey of name finding I had just a bizarre idea. Anyways in point 6 i had written that there is more to meet the eye here in terms of its use and most astrologers would laugh way on even the idea of predicting the name or starting akshara. I had written a point 7 in the previous mail which i deleted it is reproduced below as to in a larger format > > 1) In Bombay for e.g within the span of a lagna (say 2 or 2.5 hrs) hundreds of people would be born so do they have the same destiny in terms of the Rasi chart (natal chart), even with a Shastiamsa division spaning 2 mins roughly still many are born, best case is twins, but how is it that planets which give us so many minute details, do not give us that SPECIFIC NAME which creates our Identity. How is it that characters like James Bond, John Maclane (Die Hard series) , Rocky (Rocky Balboa - Stallone) become immortal, their names become immortal. Twins get two different names why. > > 2) When I had approached the old Maharastrian astrologer with the chart of George Bush and said to him that i had failed in my predictions and people say it is wrong chart (at that time most astrologers on the lists said they failed since they were using his wrong chart) . He saw the chart and I know he picked up a divisional, he worked hard, drew diagrams and said did this man had a younger sister with starting name akshara of R or Ru who is dead. I immediately replied that i do not think so since I felt he only had a brother who is from Texas or something. He said i should check and get back, i felt if it was so i would have known no need to check as i had watched documentary of on George Bush. It was few months later i came across the wikepedia site wherein it was mentioned that he had a ytounger sister by the name of Robin or something who died due to blood cancer. > > I was stunned since i remembered the words of the astrologer that the chart would be 100% correct if he had a younger sister by the name akshara of R or Ru (which when pronounced sounds like Ro for Robin). > > So I feel & know very well that to predict all that u have rightly said we need correct chart & to get correct chart this name akshara can be a correct tool & cannot be dismissed so easily. Seniors always repeat It is only when we do not know what astrology is capable of we dismiss it as something frivolous. > > To put more thought to our minds, we all know when a person goes for job interviews he is always in dilemma to know what salary expectation he should quote, whether it would be high or low or would he be rejected for quoting too high or even for quoting too low. For yrs everyone wanted an answer on what would be his salary in so and so dasa, is it possible to predict that, ofcourse we all know it is possible since past Famous astrologer has proved that with his method but then today we are all silent on this as astro students since we do not know how to predict salary and so we say no such method exists or Can Exist. Regards, > Sunil John > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:28:17 PM > Re: Name of family members/Gayatri Shastra > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > ==> > > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which > > the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted > > but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure astrology > > method. > > <== > > I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to > > predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a > > collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in > > the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try > > to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you > > can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as > > everybody is experimenting with them. > > But apart from having this collection, I found none of them enough > > dependable, or something that directs us enough close to the truth. > > Of course Some of Bhattolpala' s quotes are valuable (which is the > > only document I found which deals with the subject in an elaborate > > way using more than 36 slokas) it is not enough to arrive at a > > dependable result. > > No, I am not speaking about " Gayatri Shastra " or " Rudrabhatyiyam " . I > > am speaking about the book bhattolpala quoted while commenting on > > Brihat Samhita. He never quotes this much slokas (36!) from any other > > text together, while discussing about the subject. > > One should better be able to at least predict some of the life > > events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases that > > are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world > > around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better be > > useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours in > > calculating the first letter. Of course if there is perfect and > > correct method that is available which can be computerized (to > > calculate the first name or the full name of the native), then it > > could be much useful, since that could clarify the authority and > > truth of astrology objectively. But sincerely I don't any such method > > around. But of course there are a host of methods available. > > > > Note: The same is true about " Deciphering the sex of the native from > > the natal chart " . If such a method can be objectively done by a > > computer program and give correct results, then the authenticity of > > astrology will be greatly emphasized. But when I posted the same here > > in this group, and requested astrologers to share there views on the > > same (I have a collection of methods for doing the same as well) > > every body was hesitant, and ran away from the subject. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > Pls call me Sunil without the ji. > > > > > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which > > the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted > > but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure astrology > > method. > > > > > > 2) a year back this method was used to predict to starting akshara > > of a person who was using a pen name called Soul Sadhak so her real > > name was not known - this prediction was done on the sohamsa list. > > This method was also used to predict akshara with success of the > > relatives of someone called Sundeep who writes by the name of > > astrosundeep if i remember well on the or rather ex- > > group of KNRao > > > > > > 3) 3 yrs back when i was in Ramakrishna Paramhansa Library, I saw > > an old book called Gayatri Shastra which i always wanted back but > > could not get that page again as i wanted to photocopy it, it said > > very clearly that 'An Astrologer who cannot predict the name of the > > persons spouse and the name of the town where he/she would come from > > is not an astrologer' - I know this is harsh and would not go down > > well with many here, but I have felt this is the truth, have thought > > about it very deeply, it makes perfect sense. > > > > > > 4) I know about the questioning trick in nadi centres, its not a > > pleasant experience > > > > > > 5) I presume u are talking of Bhattopala's Rudrabhatyiyam or which > > work, long back i had requested u to translate that same in english > > for us, can u post here or privately the method I would like to take > > it further with ur assistance. > > > > > > 6) Getting tangential, I have had discussions with some astrologers > > who said what is the use of predicting even the starting akshara of > > someone, he already knows his or her name and it would just be > > showing off ones predictive ability (which is what today astrology > > has become sadly) but i have dwelled far deeper into this aspect > > since the last one year and have realised that there is lot more that > > can be achieved by knowing the persons names etc, it is much more > > than what catches the eye u would agree maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sunil John > > > > > > P.S: If someone has that book Gayatri Shastra pls let me know > > privately i always wanted reference of that page number for personal > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:49:55 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > No, currently it is not possible to predict the name of family > > > > > > members, or even the name of the native itself using astrology. > > > > > > Bhattolpala gives some methods to derive the name of the native > > from > > > > > > horoscope, but none of them helps us to reach atleast near the > > truth. > > > > > > Forget normal astrology, even Nadi astrology does not have > > any " pure > > > > > > astrological method " to arrive at the family members. What they do > > > > > > currently is merely using a " questioning trick " to arrive at the > > name > > > > > > (as I could understand from many direct experience at vaiteswaran > > > > > > koil, in Tamil nadu). > > > > > > Please let me know, if you know anyone who can do the same. Please > > > > > > let me know. I would be happy to visit such astologers (Nadi, or > > non- > > > > > > nadi) with you. As I could see: There is NONE. Yes, no astrologer > > and > > > > > > no method to do the same. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > Something caught my eye on what u wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He want the astrologer to predict, what is the name of his family > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it not possible to predict name of family members with normal > > > > > > astrology (not referring here to nadi readings or divine or non > > > > > > divine powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:36:18 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Are astrologers sincere?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear hmuttagi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Often detailed analysis is necessary to ascertain the > > > > > > correctness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of judgment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Most of the astrologers are not sincere (Because astrology > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a tool for livelihood, money making, or fame); Sincere > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are rare. But remember there could be a big exception. There are > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well learned professional astrologers who are very sincere (The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity sprigs from the respect for astrology), even though > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are using astrology for livelihood. But there are many > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and amateur astrologers( ?) who does not have any understanding > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system and are just cheaters, and mere seekers of money or fame. > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it is difficult to find a sincere professional astrologer, > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also difficult to find a sincere amateur astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Usually neither astrologers are fair to the querent, nor the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > querent fair to the astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The querent usually wants the astrologer to waste his time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energy, even though he does not even know that astrologer in > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually he needs and even demands(!) a free reading, and is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing to pay enough money to the professional astrologer. Even > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is ready to pay (thinking that he is consulting a professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer), he makes the astrologer's life miserable by too many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions and by being addicted to astrology. He want the > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict, what is the name of his family members, and to answer > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question why his wife quarreled with his yesterday!! When he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consulting an amateur astrologer, he makes his life miserable by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demanding (!) the astrologer to waste much of his time and energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind the same. But is usually even reluctant to express > > > > > > gratitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Astrology is a quest to know the future. A search, of the > > unknown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (agnostic). It gives some clues, and is pleasure to pursue, as > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we are not addicted to it or depend too much on it, also as > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we are not much bothered about our horoscope or future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " hmuttagi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <hmuttagi@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Ganeshaya namah, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an amateur reader of astrologer have read lot of books and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > postings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on various web sites. The sceince of interpreting Kundali (or > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rythmy of time as per Sreenadh) is very complex. It involves > > lot > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > permutation and combination in order to arrive at correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This being the case can astrologers just by looking at chart > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of minutes forecast the bhavishya of a native? 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Om Datta GuruDear Sreenadh,I do not think so I was asking u to find the name of a native, & make it YOUR quest. We were just discussing a) Possibility of whether a technique existsb) & then u took it if that method has any use to the humanity.Only when we put some thought to a method, we would realise that being dogmatic does not help. Let me repeat and expand The issue is how the names can be used to correct or rectify the chart & most important can it be used in other things like predict the name of the wife, the name of the company one would join in a particular antar.How is this useful imagine a person not having a job for 2 yrs, what is the guidance this method can give, it can give him few alternatives like few letters and he can start applying to those companies whose names start with those letters. Astrology can help this way. (Btw I have seen this technique work)But ofcourse i always believe knowledge can only come when we students open up and remove our preconceived notions. What use is sharing a document or preparing something when our minds are closed or limited, we usually jump to defend, disapprove of something if its not in the books or if it is out of the box. I had asked this same question to the astrologer of whom i wrote before, requesting him to share the method which i would translate into english. The old man replied in marathi that there is no use, nobody wants to learn Jyotish in kaliyuga students are only fakes who want to be instant gurus, Fast Food Fame and make instant money. I have often seen this line of his working. When i persuaded more, he said we have not understood BPHS Chapter 1 Shloka 5-8 (writing from memory here on shloka number). He asked me to read those shlokas thousand times if i did not get the real meaning of it.I am sure i have answered ur mail. :)With LoveSunil Regards,Sunil John Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:57:51 AMSubject: Re: Name of family members/Gayatri Shastra Dear Sunil, Finding the name of the native is YOUR quest (and not mine). So you should follow it (and not me). All the best in your research after the name of the native. We expect to see the results of your efforts soon (as a well prepared document, elaborating the methods). I am already engaged in something else (as you know), and there is plenty of work in the field of astrology for everybody to put their effort into. We are expecting the results of your efforts as well. Love, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Sreenadh, > My reply below in blue > ===> > > I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to > > predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a > > collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in > > the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try > > to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you > > can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as > > everybody is experimenting with them. > <==== > SJ: I do not see any relevance to compare methods since I do not know the 10 methods that u have nor do u know the method that > is at experimentative stage, even if both were the same methods it is how an Individual uses the method that determines the efficacy of the method > E.g the way KNRao uses his own version of Chara Dasa nobody else can use the same dasa to predict the way KN Rao uses, i am talking of the same tool, ofcourse all can say that KNRao has not revealed his methodology completely. Even in the same vimshottari dasa simple methods within in, 2 astrologers can use it differently and arrive at different conclusions. The question always arises in mind is what an astrologer is able to do with whatever truity fruity techniques that he has recd at hand and whether he has been able to take that method to perfection, thats the effort our breed of astro students should put in. > > ====> > > One should better be able to at least predict some of the life > > events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases that > > are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world > > around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better be > > useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours in > > calculating the first letter. > <===== > SJ: I was not expecting this reply from you since I thought u would have thought about it deeply as u possess shlokas, though when i had embarked on this journey of name finding I had just a bizarre idea. Anyways in point 6 i had written that there is more to meet the eye here in terms of its use and most astrologers would laugh way on even the idea of predicting the name or starting akshara. I had written a point 7 in the previous mail which i deleted it is reproduced below as to in a larger format > > 1) In Bombay for e.g within the span of a lagna (say 2 or 2.5 hrs) hundreds of people would be born so do they have the same destiny in terms of the Rasi chart (natal chart), even with a Shastiamsa division spaning 2 mins roughly still many are born, best case is twins, but how is it that planets which give us so many minute details, do not give us that SPECIFIC NAME which creates our Identity. How is it that characters like James Bond, John Maclane (Die Hard series) , Rocky (Rocky Balboa - Stallone) become immortal, their names become immortal. Twins get two different names why. > > 2) When I had approached the old Maharastrian astrologer with the chart of George Bush and said to him that i had failed in my predictions and people say it is wrong chart (at that time most astrologers on the lists said they failed since they were using his wrong chart) . He saw the chart and I know he picked up a divisional, he worked hard, drew diagrams and said did this man had a younger sister with starting name akshara of R or Ru who is dead. I immediately replied that i do not think so since I felt he only had a brother who is from Texas or something. He said i should check and get back, i felt if it was so i would have known no need to check as i had watched documentary of on George Bush. It was few months later i came across the wikepedia site wherein it was mentioned that he had a ytounger sister by the name of Robin or something who died due to blood cancer. > > I was stunned since i remembered the words of the astrologer that the chart would be 100% correct if he had a younger sister by the name akshara of R or Ru (which when pronounced sounds like Ro for Robin). > > So I feel & know very well that to predict all that u have rightly said we need correct chart & to get correct chart this name akshara can be a correct tool & cannot be dismissed so easily. Seniors always repeat It is only when we do not know what astrology is capable of we dismiss it as something frivolous. > > To put more thought to our minds, we all know when a person goes for job interviews he is always in dilemma to know what salary expectation he should quote, whether it would be high or low or would he be rejected for quoting too high or even for quoting too low. For yrs everyone wanted an answer on what would be his salary in so and so dasa, is it possible to predict that, ofcourse we all know it is possible since past Famous astrologer has proved that with his method but then today we are all silent on this as astro students since we do not know how to predict salary and so we say no such method exists or Can Exist. > > > > > > > Regards, > Sunil John > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:28:17 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family members/Gayatri Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > ==> > > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which > > the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted > > but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure astrology > > method. > > <== > > I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to > > predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a > > collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in > > the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try > > to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you > > can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as > > everybody is experimenting with them. > > But apart from having this collection, I found none of them enough > > dependable, or something that directs us enough close to the truth. > > Of course Some of Bhattolpala' s quotes are valuable (which is the > > only document I found which deals with the subject in an elaborate > > way using more than 36 slokas) it is not enough to arrive at a > > dependable result. > > No, I am not speaking about "Gayatri Shastra" or "Rudrabhatyiyam" . I > > am speaking about the book bhattolpala quoted while commenting on > > Brihat Samhita. He never quotes this much slokas (36!) from any other > > text together, while discussing about the subject. > > One should better be able to at least predict some of the life > > events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases that > > are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world > > around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better be > > useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours in > > calculating the first letter. Of course if there is perfect and > > correct method that is available which can be computerized (to > > calculate the first name or the full name of the native), then it > > could be much useful, since that could clarify the authority and > > truth of astrology objectively. But sincerely I don't any such method > > around. But of course there are a host of methods available. > > > > Note: The same is true about "Deciphering the sex of the native from > > the natal chart". If such a method can be objectively done by a > > computer program and give correct results, then the authenticity of > > astrology will be greatly emphasized. But when I posted the same here > > in this group, and requested astrologers to share there views on the > > same (I have a collection of methods for doing the same as well) > > every body was hesitant, and ran away from the subject. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > Pls call me Sunil without the ji. > > > > > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which > > the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted > > but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure astrology > > method. > > > > > > 2) a year back this method was used to predict to starting akshara > > of a person who was using a pen name called Soul Sadhak so her real > > name was not known - this prediction was done on the sohamsa list. > > This method was also used to predict akshara with success of the > > relatives of someone called Sundeep who writes by the name of > > astrosundeep if i remember well on the or rather ex- > > group of KNRao > > > > > > 3) 3 yrs back when i was in Ramakrishna Paramhansa Library, I saw > > an old book called Gayatri Shastra which i always wanted back but > > could not get that page again as i wanted to photocopy it, it said > > very clearly that 'An Astrologer who cannot predict the name of the > > persons spouse and the name of the town where he/she would come from > > is not an astrologer' - I know this is harsh and would not go down > > well with many here, but I have felt this is the truth, have thought > > about it very deeply, it makes perfect sense. > > > > > > 4) I know about the questioning trick in nadi centres, its not a > > pleasant experience > > > > > > 5) I presume u are talking of Bhattopala's Rudrabhatyiyam or which > > work, long back i had requested u to translate that same in english > > for us, can u post here or privately the method I would like to take > > it further with ur assistance. > > > > > > 6) Getting tangential, I have had discussions with some astrologers > > who said what is the use of predicting even the starting akshara of > > someone, he already knows his or her name and it would just be > > showing off ones predictive ability (which is what today astrology > > has become sadly) but i have dwelled far deeper into this aspect > > since the last one year and have realised that there is lot more that > > can be achieved by knowing the persons names etc, it is much more > > than what catches the eye u would agree maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sunil John > > > > > > P.S: If someone has that book Gayatri Shastra pls let me know > > privately i always wanted reference of that page number for personal > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:49:55 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > No, currently it is not possible to predict the name of family > > > > > > members, or even the name of the native itself using astrology. > > > > > > Bhattolpala gives some methods to derive the name of the native > > from > > > > > > horoscope, but none of them helps us to reach atleast near the > > truth. > > > > > > Forget normal astrology, even Nadi astrology does not have > > any "pure > > > > > > astrological method" to arrive at the family members. What they do > > > > > > currently is merely using a "questioning trick" to arrive at the > > name > > > > > > (as I could understand from many direct experience at vaiteswaran > > > > > > koil, in Tamil nadu). > > > > > > Please let me know, if you know anyone who can do the same. Please > > > > > > let me know. I would be happy to visit such astologers (Nadi, or > > non- > > > > > > nadi) with you. As I could see: There is NONE. Yes, no astrologer > > and > > > > > > no method to do the same. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > Something caught my eye on what u wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He want the astrologer to predict, what is the name of his family > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it not possible to predict name of family members with normal > > > > > > astrology (not referring here to nadi readings or divine or non > > > > > > divine powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:36:18 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Are astrologers sincere?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear hmuttagi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Often detailed analysis is necessary to ascertain the > > > > > > correctness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of judgment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Most of the astrologers are not sincere (Because astrology > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a tool for livelihood, money making, or fame); Sincere > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are rare. But remember there could be a big exception. There are > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well learned professional astrologers who are very sincere (The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity sprigs from the respect for astrology), even though > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are using astrology for livelihood. But there are many > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and amateur astrologers( ?) who does not have any understanding > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system and are just cheaters, and mere seekers of money or fame. > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it is difficult to find a sincere professional astrologer, > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also difficult to find a sincere amateur astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Usually neither astrologers are fair to the querent, nor the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > querent fair to the astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The querent usually wants the astrologer to waste his time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energy, even though he does not even know that astrologer in > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually he needs and even demands(!) a free reading, and is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing to pay enough money to the professional astrologer. Even > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is ready to pay (thinking that he is consulting a professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer), he makes the astrologer's life miserable by too many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions and by being addicted to astrology. He want the > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict, what is the name of his family members, and to answer > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question why his wife quarreled with his yesterday!! When he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consulting an amateur astrologer, he makes his life miserable by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demanding (!) the astrologer to waste much of his time and energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind the same. But is usually even reluctant to express > > > > > > gratitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Astrology is a quest to know the future. A search, of the > > unknown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (agnostic). It gives some clues, and is pleasure to pursue, as > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we are not addicted to it or depend too much on it, also as > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we are not much bothered about our horoscope or future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "hmuttagi" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <hmuttagi@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Ganeshaya namah, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an amateur reader of astrologer have read lot of books and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > postings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on various web sites. The sceince of interpreting Kundali (or > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rythmy of time as per Sreenadh) is very complex. It involves > > lot > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > permutation and combination in order to arrive at correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This being the case can astrologers just by looking at chart > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of minutes forecast the bhavishya of a native? Do they not ned > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at least couple of hours prior to verifying their judgement? > > Are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers being fair to the querent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, > > clean, > > > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > > > > > > clean, sans-serif;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > > > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > > > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > > > > > font-family: Arial; 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Dear Friend, Understand the truth - astrology is now in a messy state, and we don't have clear cut, trustworthy methods even to say whether it is a boy or girl from the horoscope. Be sincere in accepting it. From any sincere student of astrology, the next step is to start an effort to clear this mess which starts from the basics. Hitting at the leaves, while even the basics are not clear will not help in anything. Therefore as a humble student of astrology I am after that and not interested in other things much. But of course I always appreciate the efforts of others - as a single or two individuals effort is not going to be enough to clear this mess. So please continue your effort. And if will to take my advice, start from the basics without prejudice, instead of running after the leaves. Love, Sreenadh , Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote: > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Sreenadh, > I do not think so I was asking u to find the name of a native, & make it YOUR quest. We were just discussing > a) Possibility of whether a technique exists > b) & then u took it if that method has any use to the humanity. > > Only when we put some thought to a method, we would realise that being dogmatic does not help. Let me repeat and expand The issue is how the names can be used to correct or rectify the chart & most important can it be used in other things like predict the name of the wife, the name of the company one would join in a particular antar. > > How is this useful imagine a person not having a job for 2 yrs, what is the guidance this method can give, it can give him few alternatives like few letters and he can start applying to those companies whose names start with those letters. Astrology can help this way. (Btw I have seen this technique work) > > But ofcourse i always believe knowledge can only come when we students open up and remove our preconceived notions. What use is sharing a document or preparing something when our minds are closed or limited, we usually jump to defend, disapprove of something if its not in the books or if it is out of the box. I had asked this same question to the astrologer of whom i wrote before, requesting him to share the method which i would translate into english. The old man replied in marathi that there is no use, nobody wants to learn Jyotish in kaliyuga students are only fakes who want to be instant gurus, Fast Food Fame and make instant money. I have often seen this line of his working. > > When i persuaded more, he said we have not understood BPHS Chapter 1 Shloka 5-8 (writing from memory here on shloka number). He asked me to read those shlokas thousand times if i did not get the real meaning of it. > > I am sure i have answered ur mail. > > With Love > Sunil > > > > Regards, > Sunil John > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:57:51 AM > Re: Name of family members/Gayatri Shastra > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > Finding the name of the native is YOUR quest (and not mine). So > > you should follow it (and not me). All the best in your research > > after the name of the native. We expect to see the results of your > > efforts soon (as a well prepared document, elaborating the methods). > > I am already engaged in something else (as you know), and there is > > plenty of work in the field of astrology for everybody to put their > > effort into. We are expecting the results of your efforts as well. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > My reply below in blue > > > ===> > > > > > > I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to > > > > > > predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a > > > > > > collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in > > > > > > the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try > > > > > > to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you > > > > > > can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as > > > > > > everybody is experimenting with them. > > > <==== > > > SJ: I do not see any relevance to compare methods since I do not > > know the 10 methods that u have nor do u know the method that > > > is at experimentative stage, even if both were the same methods it > > is how an Individual uses the method that determines the efficacy of > > the method > > > E.g the way KNRao uses his own version of Chara Dasa nobody else > > can use the same dasa to predict the way KN Rao uses, i am talking of > > the same tool, ofcourse all can say that KNRao has not revealed his > > methodology completely. Even in the same vimshottari dasa simple > > methods within in, 2 astrologers can use it differently and arrive at > > different conclusions. The question always arises in mind is what > > an astrologer is able to do with whatever truity fruity techniques > > that he has recd at hand and whether he has been able to take that > > method to perfection, thats the effort our breed of astro students > > should put in. > > > > > > ====> > > > > > > One should better be able to at least predict some of the life > > > > > > events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases > > that > > > > > > are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world > > > > > > around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better > > be > > > > > > useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours > > in > > > > > > calculating the first letter. > > > <===== > > > SJ: I was not expecting this reply from you since I thought u > > would have thought about it deeply as u possess shlokas, though when > > i had embarked on this journey of name finding I had just a bizarre > > idea. Anyways in point 6 i had written that there is more to meet the > > eye here in terms of its use and most astrologers would laugh way on > > even the idea of predicting the name or starting akshara. I had > > written a point 7 in the previous mail which i deleted it is > > reproduced below as to in a larger format > > > > > > 1) In Bombay for e.g within the span of a lagna (say 2 or 2.5 hrs) > > hundreds of people would be born so do they have the same destiny in > > terms of the Rasi chart (natal chart), even with a Shastiamsa > > division spaning 2 mins roughly still many are born, best case is > > twins, but how is it that planets which give us so many minute > > details, do not give us that SPECIFIC NAME which creates our > > Identity. How is it that characters like James Bond, John Maclane > > (Die Hard series) , Rocky (Rocky Balboa - Stallone) become immortal, > > their names become immortal. Twins get two different names why. > > > > > > 2) When I had approached the old Maharastrian astrologer with the > > chart of George Bush and said to him that i had failed in my > > predictions and people say it is wrong chart (at that time most > > astrologers on the lists said they failed since they were using his > > wrong chart) . He saw the chart and I know he picked up a divisional, > > he worked hard, drew diagrams and said did this man had a younger > > sister with starting name akshara of R or Ru who is dead. I > > immediately replied that i do not think so since I felt he only had a > > brother who is from Texas or something. He said i should check and > > get back, i felt if it was so i would have known no need to check as > > i had watched documentary of on George Bush. It was few months later > > i came across the wikepedia site wherein it was mentioned that he had > > a ytounger sister by the name of Robin or something who died due to > > blood cancer. > > > > > > I was stunned since i remembered the words of the astrologer that > > the chart would be 100% correct if he had a younger sister by the > > name akshara of R or Ru (which when pronounced sounds like Ro for > > Robin). > > > > > > So I feel & know very well that to predict all that u have rightly > > said we need correct chart & to get correct chart this name akshara > > can be a correct tool & cannot be dismissed so easily. Seniors always > > repeat It is only when we do not know what astrology is capable of we > > dismiss it as something frivolous. > > > > > > To put more thought to our minds, we all know when a person goes > > for job interviews he is always in dilemma to know what salary > > expectation he should quote, whether it would be high or low or would > > he be rejected for quoting too high or even for quoting too low. For > > yrs everyone wanted an answer on what would be his salary in so and > > so dasa, is it possible to predict that, ofcourse we all know it is > > possible since past Famous astrologer has proved that with his method > > but then today we are all silent on this as astro students since we > > do not know how to predict salary and so we say no such method exists > > or Can Exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:28:17 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family > > members/Gayatri Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which > > > > > > the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted > > > > > > but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure > > astrology > > > > > > method. > > > > > > <== > > > > > > I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to > > > > > > predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a > > > > > > collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in > > > > > > the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try > > > > > > to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you > > > > > > can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as > > > > > > everybody is experimenting with them. > > > > > > But apart from having this collection, I found none of them enough > > > > > > dependable, or something that directs us enough close to the truth. > > > > > > Of course Some of Bhattolpala' s quotes are valuable (which is the > > > > > > only document I found which deals with the subject in an elaborate > > > > > > way using more than 36 slokas) it is not enough to arrive at a > > > > > > dependable result. > > > > > > No, I am not speaking about " Gayatri Shastra " > > or " Rudrabhatyiyam " . I > > > > > > am speaking about the book bhattolpala quoted while commenting on > > > > > > Brihat Samhita. He never quotes this much slokas (36!) from any > > other > > > > > > text together, while discussing about the subject. > > > > > > One should better be able to at least predict some of the life > > > > > > events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases > > that > > > > > > are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world > > > > > > around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better > > be > > > > > > useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours > > in > > > > > > calculating the first letter. Of course if there is perfect and > > > > > > correct method that is available which can be computerized (to > > > > > > calculate the first name or the full name of the native), then it > > > > > > could be much useful, since that could clarify the authority and > > > > > > truth of astrology objectively. But sincerely I don't any such > > method > > > > > > around. But of course there are a host of methods available. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: The same is true about " Deciphering the sex of the native > > from > > > > > > the natal chart " . If such a method can be objectively done by a > > > > > > computer program and give correct results, then the authenticity of > > > > > > astrology will be greatly emphasized. But when I posted the same > > here > > > > > > in this group, and requested astrologers to share there views on > > the > > > > > > same (I have a collection of methods for doing the same as well) > > > > > > every body was hesitant, and ran away from the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > Pls call me Sunil without the ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which > > > > > > the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted > > > > > > but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure > > astrology > > > > > > method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) a year back this method was used to predict to starting > > akshara > > > > > > of a person who was using a pen name called Soul Sadhak so her real > > > > > > name was not known - this prediction was done on the sohamsa list. > > > > > > This method was also used to predict akshara with success of the > > > > > > relatives of someone called Sundeep who writes by the name of > > > > > > astrosundeep if i remember well on the or rather ex- > > > > > > group of KNRao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) 3 yrs back when i was in Ramakrishna Paramhansa Library, I saw > > > > > > an old book called Gayatri Shastra which i always wanted back but > > > > > > could not get that page again as i wanted to photocopy it, it said > > > > > > very clearly that 'An Astrologer who cannot predict the name of the > > > > > > persons spouse and the name of the town where he/she would come > > from > > > > > > is not an astrologer' - I know this is harsh and would not go down > > > > > > well with many here, but I have felt this is the truth, have > > thought > > > > > > about it very deeply, it makes perfect sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I know about the questioning trick in nadi centres, its not a > > > > > > pleasant experience > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) I presume u are talking of Bhattopala's Rudrabhatyiyam or > > which > > > > > > work, long back i had requested u to translate that same in english > > > > > > for us, can u post here or privately the method I would like to > > take > > > > > > it further with ur assistance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Getting tangential, I have had discussions with some > > astrologers > > > > > > who said what is the use of predicting even the starting akshara of > > > > > > someone, he already knows his or her name and it would just be > > > > > > showing off ones predictive ability (which is what today astrology > > > > > > has become sadly) but i have dwelled far deeper into this aspect > > > > > > since the last one year and have realised that there is lot more > > that > > > > > > can be achieved by knowing the persons names etc, it is much more > > > > > > than what catches the eye u would agree maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: If someone has that book Gayatri Shastra pls let me know > > > > > > privately i always wanted reference of that page number for > > personal > > > > > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:49:55 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, currently it is not possible to predict the name of family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members, or even the name of the native itself using astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattolpala gives some methods to derive the name of the native > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, but none of them helps us to reach atleast near the > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forget normal astrology, even Nadi astrology does not have > > > > > > any " pure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological method " to arrive at the family members. What they > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently is merely using a " questioning trick " to arrive at the > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (as I could understand from many direct experience at vaiteswaran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > koil, in Tamil nadu). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know, if you know anyone who can do the same. > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know. I would be happy to visit such astologers (Nadi, or > > > > > > non- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nadi) with you. As I could see: There is NONE. Yes, no astrologer > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no method to do the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something caught my eye on what u wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He want the astrologer to predict, what is the name of his > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it not possible to predict name of family members with > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology (not referring here to nadi readings or divine or non > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:36:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Are astrologers > > sincere?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear hmuttagi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Often detailed analysis is necessary to ascertain the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of judgment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Most of the astrologers are not sincere (Because astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a tool for livelihood, money making, or fame); Sincere > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are rare. But remember there could be a big exception. There > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well learned professional astrologers who are very sincere (The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity sprigs from the respect for astrology), even though > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are using astrology for livelihood. But there are many > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and amateur astrologers( ?) who does not have any understanding > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system and are just cheaters, and mere seekers of money or > > fame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it is difficult to find a sincere professional astrologer, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also difficult to find a sincere amateur astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Usually neither astrologers are fair to the querent, nor the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > querent fair to the astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The querent usually wants the astrologer to waste his time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energy, even though he does not even know that astrologer in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually he needs and even demands(!) a free reading, and is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing to pay enough money to the professional astrologer. > > Even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is ready to pay (thinking that he is consulting a > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer), he makes the astrologer's life miserable by too > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions and by being addicted to astrology. He want the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict, what is the name of his family members, and to > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question why his wife quarreled with his yesterday!! When he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consulting an amateur astrologer, he makes his life miserable > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demanding (!) the astrologer to waste much of his time and > > energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind the same. But is usually even reluctant to express > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gratitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Astrology is a quest to know the future. A search, of the > > > > > > unknown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (agnostic). It gives some clues, and is pleasure to pursue, as > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we are not addicted to it or depend too much on it, also as > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we are not much bothered about our horoscope or future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " hmuttagi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <hmuttagi@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Ganeshaya namah, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an amateur reader of astrologer have read lot of books and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > postings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on various web sites. The sceince of interpreting Kundali (or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rythmy of time as per Sreenadh) is very complex. It involves > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > permutation and combination in order to arrive at correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This being the case can astrologers just by looking at chart > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of minutes forecast the bhavishya of a native? 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Om Datta GuruDear Sreenadh,I agree with you, I had written about it long back on PVRs list that astrologers on LISTS cant even say if its a boy or girls horoscope what can they say about the future but still you have all kinds of astrologers going into all kinds of detailed astro methods. I cannot judge them or tell them what their path is. Judging them or giving advice to anyone would be ridiculous & I cant make an often FAKE statement on lists that 'I am a humble student'Infact I feel before we even go down to a planet in various houses first we must understand what EACH Planet is, and it can take lifetimes to even understand what ONE SINGLE PLANET is in its Entirety. I have never found any astrologer capable of having deep knowledge on just the planet forget the next step of houses etc. Understand this truth. Be sincere in accepting it. For any sincere student of astrology, the next step is to start an effort to clear this mess which starts from the basics. My advice is first good books should come out Planets then houses, houses are like leaves. So please continue your effort. And if will to take my advice, start from the basics without prejudice, instead of running after the leaves. Ofcourse Just for information of others there are astrologers who can predict if its a girl or boys chart, in seconds if the native of the chart is alive or dead and thats the reason they are called ASTROLOGERS n the lines outside their house never stops. Regards,Sunil John Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:04:17 PM Re: Name of family members/Gayatri Shastra Dear Friend, Understand the truth - astrology is now in a messy state, and we don't have clear cut, trustworthy methods even to say whether it is a boy or girl from the horoscope. Be sincere in accepting it. From any sincere student of astrology, the next step is to start an effort to clear this mess which starts from the basics. Hitting at the leaves, while even the basics are not clear will not help in anything. Therefore as a humble student of astrology I am after that and not interested in other things much. But of course I always appreciate the efforts of others - as a single or two individuals effort is not going to be enough to clear this mess. So please continue your effort. And if will to take my advice, start from the basics without prejudice, instead of running after the leaves. Love, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > Om Datta Guru > Dear Sreenadh, > I do not think so I was asking u to find the name of a native, & make it YOUR quest. We were just discussing > a) Possibility of whether a technique exists > b) & then u took it if that method has any use to the humanity. > > Only when we put some thought to a method, we would realise that being dogmatic does not help. Let me repeat and expand The issue is how the names can be used to correct or rectify the chart & most important can it be used in other things like predict the name of the wife, the name of the company one would join in a particular antar. > > How is this useful imagine a person not having a job for 2 yrs, what is the guidance this method can give, it can give him few alternatives like few letters and he can start applying to those companies whose names start with those letters. Astrology can help this way. (Btw I have seen this technique work) > > But ofcourse i always believe knowledge can only come when we students open up and remove our preconceived notions. What use is sharing a document or preparing something when our minds are closed or limited, we usually jump to defend, disapprove of something if its not in the books or if it is out of the box. I had asked this same question to the astrologer of whom i wrote before, requesting him to share the method which i would translate into english. The old man replied in marathi that there is no use, nobody wants to learn Jyotish in kaliyuga students are only fakes who want to be instant gurus, Fast Food Fame and make instant money. I have often seen this line of his working. > > When i persuaded more, he said we have not understood BPHS Chapter 1 Shloka 5-8 (writing from memory here on shloka number). He asked me to read those shlokas thousand times if i did not get the real meaning of it. > > I am sure i have answered ur mail. > > With Love > Sunil > > > > Regards, > Sunil John > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:57:51 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family members/Gayatri Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > Finding the name of the native is YOUR quest (and not mine). So > > you should follow it (and not me). All the best in your research > > after the name of the native. We expect to see the results of your > > efforts soon (as a well prepared document, elaborating the methods). > > I am already engaged in something else (as you know), and there is > > plenty of work in the field of astrology for everybody to put their > > effort into. We are expecting the results of your efforts as well. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > My reply below in blue > > > ===> > > > > > > I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to > > > > > > predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a > > > > > > collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in > > > > > > the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try > > > > > > to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you > > > > > > can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as > > > > > > everybody is experimenting with them. > > > <==== > > > SJ: I do not see any relevance to compare methods since I do not > > know the 10 methods that u have nor do u know the method that > > > is at experimentative stage, even if both were the same methods it > > is how an Individual uses the method that determines the efficacy of > > the method > > > E.g the way KNRao uses his own version of Chara Dasa nobody else > > can use the same dasa to predict the way KN Rao uses, i am talking of > > the same tool, ofcourse all can say that KNRao has not revealed his > > methodology completely. Even in the same vimshottari dasa simple > > methods within in, 2 astrologers can use it differently and arrive at > > different conclusions. The question always arises in mind is what > > an astrologer is able to do with whatever truity fruity techniques > > that he has recd at hand and whether he has been able to take that > > method to perfection, thats the effort our breed of astro students > > should put in. > > > > > > ====> > > > > > > One should better be able to at least predict some of the life > > > > > > events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases > > that > > > > > > are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world > > > > > > around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better > > be > > > > > > useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours > > in > > > > > > calculating the first letter. > > > <===== > > > SJ: I was not expecting this reply from you since I thought u > > would have thought about it deeply as u possess shlokas, though when > > i had embarked on this journey of name finding I had just a bizarre > > idea. Anyways in point 6 i had written that there is more to meet the > > eye here in terms of its use and most astrologers would laugh way on > > even the idea of predicting the name or starting akshara. I had > > written a point 7 in the previous mail which i deleted it is > > reproduced below as to in a larger format > > > > > > 1) In Bombay for e.g within the span of a lagna (say 2 or 2.5 hrs) > > hundreds of people would be born so do they have the same destiny in > > terms of the Rasi chart (natal chart), even with a Shastiamsa > > division spaning 2 mins roughly still many are born, best case is > > twins, but how is it that planets which give us so many minute > > details, do not give us that SPECIFIC NAME which creates our > > Identity. How is it that characters like James Bond, John Maclane > > (Die Hard series) , Rocky (Rocky Balboa - Stallone) become immortal, > > their names become immortal. Twins get two different names why. > > > > > > 2) When I had approached the old Maharastrian astrologer with the > > chart of George Bush and said to him that i had failed in my > > predictions and people say it is wrong chart (at that time most > > astrologers on the lists said they failed since they were using his > > wrong chart) . He saw the chart and I know he picked up a divisional, > > he worked hard, drew diagrams and said did this man had a younger > > sister with starting name akshara of R or Ru who is dead. I > > immediately replied that i do not think so since I felt he only had a > > brother who is from Texas or something. He said i should check and > > get back, i felt if it was so i would have known no need to check as > > i had watched documentary of on George Bush. It was few months later > > i came across the wikepedia site wherein it was mentioned that he had > > a ytounger sister by the name of Robin or something who died due to > > blood cancer. > > > > > > I was stunned since i remembered the words of the astrologer that > > the chart would be 100% correct if he had a younger sister by the > > name akshara of R or Ru (which when pronounced sounds like Ro for > > Robin). > > > > > > So I feel & know very well that to predict all that u have rightly > > said we need correct chart & to get correct chart this name akshara > > can be a correct tool & cannot be dismissed so easily. Seniors always > > repeat It is only when we do not know what astrology is capable of we > > dismiss it as something frivolous. > > > > > > To put more thought to our minds, we all know when a person goes > > for job interviews he is always in dilemma to know what salary > > expectation he should quote, whether it would be high or low or would > > he be rejected for quoting too high or even for quoting too low. For > > yrs everyone wanted an answer on what would be his salary in so and > > so dasa, is it possible to predict that, ofcourse we all know it is > > possible since past Famous astrologer has proved that with his method > > but then today we are all silent on this as astro students since we > > do not know how to predict salary and so we say no such method exists > > or Can Exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:28:17 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family > > members/Gayatri Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which > > > > > > the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted > > > > > > but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure > > astrology > > > > > > method. > > > > > > <== > > > > > > I already have a collection of around 10 methods which try to > > > > > > predict the first letter of the querent or native. I have a > > > > > > collection of methods which try to predict the number of letters in > > > > > > the name of the person. I also have an elaborate document which try > > > > > > to predict the full name of the document. All these methods as you > > > > > > can see are in experimental stage. As anytime anybody can say as > > > > > > everybody is experimenting with them. > > > > > > But apart from having this collection, I found none of them enough > > > > > > dependable, or something that directs us enough close to the truth. > > > > > > Of course Some of Bhattolpala' s quotes are valuable (which is the > > > > > > only document I found which deals with the subject in an elaborate > > > > > > way using more than 36 slokas) it is not enough to arrive at a > > > > > > dependable result. > > > > > > No, I am not speaking about "Gayatri Shastra" > > or "Rudrabhatyiyam" . I > > > > > > am speaking about the book bhattolpala quoted while commenting on > > > > > > Brihat Samhita. He never quotes this much slokas (36!) from any > > other > > > > > > text together, while discussing about the subject. > > > > > > One should better be able to at least predict some of the life > > > > > > events of the native correctly, or his body features or diseases > > that > > > > > > are troubling him, life circumstances, things or items in the world > > > > > > around him and is closely associated with him etc. This can better > > be > > > > > > useful to the native and convince him, rather than spending hours > > in > > > > > > calculating the first letter. Of course if there is perfect and > > > > > > correct method that is available which can be computerized (to > > > > > > calculate the first name or the full name of the native), then it > > > > > > could be much useful, since that could clarify the authority and > > > > > > truth of astrology objectively. But sincerely I don't any such > > method > > > > > > around. But of course there are a host of methods available. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: The same is true about "Deciphering the sex of the native > > from > > > > > > the natal chart". If such a method can be objectively done by a > > > > > > computer program and give correct results, then the authenticity of > > > > > > astrology will be greatly emphasized. But when I posted the same > > here > > > > > > in this group, and requested astrologers to share there views on > > the > > > > > > same (I have a collection of methods for doing the same as well) > > > > > > every body was hesitant, and ran away from the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > Pls call me Sunil without the ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) There is method which is still in experiment stage by which > > > > > > the 'Starting Letter' (akshara) of a persons name can be predicted > > > > > > but the method cannot predict the full name - this is pure > > astrology > > > > > > method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) a year back this method was used to predict to starting > > akshara > > > > > > of a person who was using a pen name called Soul Sadhak so her real > > > > > > name was not known - this prediction was done on the sohamsa list. > > > > > > This method was also used to predict akshara with success of the > > > > > > relatives of someone called Sundeep who writes by the name of > > > > > > astrosundeep if i remember well on the or rather ex- > > > > > > group of KNRao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) 3 yrs back when i was in Ramakrishna Paramhansa Library, I saw > > > > > > an old book called Gayatri Shastra which i always wanted back but > > > > > > could not get that page again as i wanted to photocopy it, it said > > > > > > very clearly that 'An Astrologer who cannot predict the name of the > > > > > > persons spouse and the name of the town where he/she would come > > from > > > > > > is not an astrologer' - I know this is harsh and would not go down > > > > > > well with many here, but I have felt this is the truth, have > > thought > > > > > > about it very deeply, it makes perfect sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I know about the questioning trick in nadi centres, its not a > > > > > > pleasant experience > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) I presume u are talking of Bhattopala's Rudrabhatyiyam or > > which > > > > > > work, long back i had requested u to translate that same in english > > > > > > for us, can u post here or privately the method I would like to > > take > > > > > > it further with ur assistance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Getting tangential, I have had discussions with some > > astrologers > > > > > > who said what is the use of predicting even the starting akshara of > > > > > > someone, he already knows his or her name and it would just be > > > > > > showing off ones predictive ability (which is what today astrology > > > > > > has become sadly) but i have dwelled far deeper into this aspect > > > > > > since the last one year and have realised that there is lot more > > that > > > > > > can be achieved by knowing the persons names etc, it is much more > > > > > > than what catches the eye u would agree maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: If someone has that book Gayatri Shastra pls let me know > > > > > > privately i always wanted reference of that page number for > > personal > > > > > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:49:55 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Name of family members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, currently it is not possible to predict the name of family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members, or even the name of the native itself using astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattolpala gives some methods to derive the name of the native > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, but none of them helps us to reach atleast near the > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forget normal astrology, even Nadi astrology does not have > > > > > > any "pure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological method" to arrive at the family members. What they > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently is merely using a "questioning trick" to arrive at the > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (as I could understand from many direct experience at vaiteswaran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > koil, in Tamil nadu). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know, if you know anyone who can do the same. > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know. I would be happy to visit such astologers (Nadi, or > > > > > > non- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nadi) with you. As I could see: There is NONE. Yes, no astrologer > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no method to do the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something caught my eye on what u wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He want the astrologer to predict, what is the name of his > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it not possible to predict name of family members with > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology (not referring here to nadi readings or divine or non > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine powers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:36:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Are astrologers > > sincere?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear hmuttagi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Often detailed analysis is necessary to ascertain the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of judgment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Most of the astrologers are not sincere (Because astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a tool for livelihood, money making, or fame); Sincere > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are rare. But remember there could be a big exception. There > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well learned professional astrologers who are very sincere (The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerity sprigs from the respect for astrology), even though > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are using astrology for livelihood. But there are many > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and amateur astrologers( ?) who does not have any understanding > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system and are just cheaters, and mere seekers of money or > > fame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it is difficult to find a sincere professional astrologer, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also difficult to find a sincere amateur astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Usually neither astrologers are fair to the querent, nor the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > querent fair to the astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The querent usually wants the astrologer to waste his time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energy, even though he does not even know that astrologer in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually he needs and even demands(!) a free reading, and is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing to pay enough money to the professional astrologer. > > Even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is ready to pay (thinking that he is consulting a > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer), he makes the astrologer's life miserable by too > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions and by being addicted to astrology. He want the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict, what is the name of his family members, and to > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question why his wife quarreled with his yesterday!! When he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consulting an amateur astrologer, he makes his life miserable > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demanding (!) the astrologer to waste much of his time and > > energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind the same. But is usually even reluctant to express > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gratitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Astrology is a quest to know the future. A search, of the > > > > > > unknown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (agnostic). It gives some clues, and is pleasure to pursue, as > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we are not addicted to it or depend too much on it, also as > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we are not much bothered about our horoscope or future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "hmuttagi" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <hmuttagi@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Ganeshaya namah, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an amateur reader of astrologer have read lot of books and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > postings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on various web sites. The sceince of interpreting Kundali (or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rythmy of time as per Sreenadh) is very complex. It involves > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > permutation and combination in order to arrive at correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This being the case can astrologers just by looking at chart > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of minutes forecast the bhavishya of a native? Do they not > > ned > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at least couple of hours prior to verifying their judgement? > > > > > > Are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers being fair to the querent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, > > > > > > clean, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clean, sans-serif;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-family: Arial; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear:both;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: > > 0;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padding:0 1px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > align:right; } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-grft{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-ft{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padding:5px 0; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 > > 8px > > > > > > 8px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; > > > > > > color:#333; text- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transform:uppercase ;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-weight: bold;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a { > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: > > 20px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padding:8px 0;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > margin:0;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o {font-size:0; } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .MsoNormal { > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-size:120% ;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .replbq {margin:4;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ __Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the > > Internet > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, > > clean, > > > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > > > > > > clean, sans-serif;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > > > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > > > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > > > > > font-family: Arial; > > > > > > > clear:both;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > > > > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > > > > > padding:0 1px;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > > > > > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- > > > > > > align:right; } > > > > > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > > > > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > > > > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-grft{ > > > > > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-ft{ > > > > > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > > > > > > > padding:5px 0; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > > > > > > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > > > > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px > > 8px;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > > > > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; > > color:#333; text- > > > > > > transform:uppercase ;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > > > > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > > > > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > > > > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- > > > > > > align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > > > > > > font-weight: bold;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a { > > > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > > > > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > > > > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > > > > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > > > > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > > > > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > > > > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > > > > > > padding:8px 0;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > > > > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- > > > > > > size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > > > > > > margin:0;} > > > > > > > o {font-size:0; } > > > > > > > .MsoNormal { > > > > > > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > > > > > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > > > > > > font-size:120% ;} > > > > > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > > > > > > > .replbq {margin:4;} > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > ____________ __Got a little couch potato? > > > > > > > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > > > > > > http://search. / search? > > > > > > fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+ activities+ for+kids & cs=bz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > > sans-serif;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > > clean, sans-serif;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > } > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > font-family: Arial; > > > clear:both;} > > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > padding:0 1px;} > > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- > > align:right; } > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > > #ygrp-grft{ > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > > > #ygrp-ft{ > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > > > padding:5px 0; > > > } > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- > > transform:uppercase ;} > > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > > > } > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- > > align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > > font-weight: bold;} > > > #ygrp-vital a { > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > > padding:8px 0;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- > > size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > > margin:0;} > > > o {font-size:0; } > > > .MsoNormal { > > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > > font-size:120% ;} > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > > > .replbq {margin:4;} > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > ____________ __Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and > > Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > > > http://get.games. / proddesc? gamekey=monopoly herenow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0; } > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ ____________ __ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. 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