Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Sir, Yes Black art is practised succesfully in India since centuries by many evil souls jealous of others success. 1) When I was a small child once my Maternal Grandfather who was sitting in his house resting, on his Dhoti Kurta suddenly blood appeared every where on his clothes, wet blood. Immediately a Tantric was called and he found out that a ghost was let loose on my Grandfather by a enemy. The ghost was then caught and put in a bottle and then buried in the ground. This instance is from my own family. 2) One of my mothers relatives was also targetted by another enemy (Relative) and this was (Mooth)really dangerous as the family members immediately took a Van and closed the doors of the Van, but all the way on the highway the thumping on the doors of the Van was on.,and finally the ghost killed the relative at the end of the journey when the Van was opened. 3) About 23 years back I myself was targetted for 5 Nights continously by a bad relative, and finally we took resource to a lady well versed in the arts of Magic(White) who got me rid of the sorcery created on me. 4) A close relative of mines (My first Cousins) were targetted by a family relative(One of the topmost Indistrialists of India who own their private modes of transport in the sky),by a evil lady ,and my relatives used to find hair, pin pricked dolls,haldi nimbu etc. in their bedroom on the bed in the morning etc. I will not elaborate on the above as this is hair raising and dont want to dwell much on such experiences, but the bottomline is that ,these things are certainly possible, but beware, those who indulge in such actions for harming others would themselves be destroyed in the final lap of their earthly life. This is hundred percent true,I know and can give many examples of victims and perpetrators both. Such people die a hrrible death after much suffering and after they die, they would be taken away for next 1000-5000 years to serve in the gloomiest darkest corners of hell where no cry of theirs would be heard by anyone. And before they die a horrible death,they would also see their family members leave one by one before their alloted age, thrown to the jaws of death by the evil acts of this one dirty family member. So those of You who indulge in this,please stop before its too late. How to save yourself from becoming a victim ? 1) Daily recitation of Hanuman Chalisa and Ramraksha stotra. 2) Reading few shlokas of Bhagavad Gita daily. 3) Carrying a photo of Hanumanji or few shlokas of the Bhagavad Gita in pocket. 4) Wearing a Tulsi Mala or Rudrakhsha Mala. 5) Keeping good character and a nature of helping others and gathering blessings from those one has helped. 6) Being generally a good person. 7) Keeping body clean. 8) Not going out late at night in a drunken state. 9) Not stepping on things kept on corners of roads or crossroads. 10) Not stamping food on gutters (Small square or round plates of metals through which the Muncipal cleaners climb below on the road. etc.etc. Hope this mail helps few. regards, Bhaskar. , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote: > > if such practical things effectively available why it cannot be used on criminals people who get bigh bribes bad characters and some bad elements in society and eliminate in society and be good to universe > > i have seen many bad people whatever they do they not caught either in 8th sani 7 and half sani etc etc all through their life for very very lo0ng time in life they arwe only giving trouble to society > > > > clean up society do good by eliminating bad cgharaters in society by these magics etc pls for the benenift of society poor unwealthy people to have peace of mind and to live more pea cefully > > > sairaman > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear all, > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i > am writing what i have seen or heard. > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful > raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but > the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely > vulnerable to black magic > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black > magic > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken > as black magic. > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter > backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so > ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil > vibrations they produce > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you > wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found > weakest > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say > anything bad, it will come to pass > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > regards, > > kishore patnaik > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Dear Kishore ji, All classifications are wrong!...and may be this too... But of course this mail starts the discussion on a new/old subject for our forum. ('Old' because the subject itself is ancient. 'New' because we are looking into it a new light) Looking superfluously at subjects and trying to derive conclusions can cause wrong results... The same goes true for 'Black Magic'. As you have pointed out in your mail, the correct approach is to- =>(1) Discuss and understand the subject of 'Black Magic' =>(2) Discuss their effects with case studies and examples =>(3) Look at this whole issue from an astro point of view =>(4) Discuss the possible remedies. Yes, all the above steps comes in order. If the point (1) is not implemented then (2),(3) and (4) does not hold any value. If only (1) and (2) are done we can look into point (3) or (4). so it goes... As you have suggested we will try to look into this subject. My effort will be on point (1) only, as I am always interested in the basics first. In the coming mails I will try to discuss some of the concepts and issues associated with 'Black Magic'. I think for the understanding of everybody it is better to use the original word 'Dur-Mantravada' it self. 'Dur' means 'Bad' or 'Malicious' (Something done with bad intention). 'Mantravada' means 'the kind of tantric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of 'Mantras' (secret hymns). Thus in essence 'Dur-Mantravada' means "A kind of tatric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of secret hymns done with the bad intension of (usually) harming others" Tantic act is generally classified into two- (1) San-Mantravada = Good Tantric Worship and (2) Dur-Mantravada = Malecious Tantric Worship We will look into is the sub classification, fundamental conceptual foundation, constituents of this method (when done systematically, as per scripts) etc. => Its relation with astrology or science or other subjects. => It's value (Qns like- Does it makes sense? Is their remedies mentioned? etc) Can form the later part of the discussion. Dear all what do you say? Kishore ji what is your opinion? Love, Sreenadhkishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik __. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Agree with you Sreenadhji,Awaiting your posts on this mattersree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kishore ji, All classifications are wrong!...and may be this too... But of course this mail starts the discussion on a new/old subject for our forum. ('Old' because the subject itself is ancient. 'New' because we are looking into it a new light) Looking superfluously at subjects and trying to derive conclusions can cause wrong results... The same goes true for 'Black Magic'. As you have pointed out in your mail, the correct approach is to- =>(1) Discuss and understand the subject of 'Black Magic' =>(2) Discuss their effects with case studies and examples =>(3) Look at this whole issue from an astro point of view =>(4) Discuss the possible remedies. Yes, all the above steps comes in order. If the point (1) is not implemented then (2),(3) and (4) does not hold any value. If only (1) and (2) are done we can look into point (3) or (4). so it goes... As you have suggested we will try to look into this subject. My effort will be on point (1) only, as I am always interested in the basics first. In the coming mails I will try to discuss some of the concepts and issues associated with 'Black Magic'. I think for the understanding of everybody it is better to use the original word 'Dur-Mantravada' it self. 'Dur' means 'Bad' or 'Malicious' (Something done with bad intention). 'Mantravada' means 'the kind of tantric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of 'Mantras' (secret hymns). Thus in essence 'Dur-Mantravada' means "A kind of tatric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of secret hymns done with the bad intension of (usually) harming others" Tantic act is generally classified into two- (1) San-Mantravada = Good Tantric Worship and (2) Dur-Mantravada = Malecious Tantric Worship We will look into is the sub classification, fundamental conceptual foundation, constituents of this method (when done systematically, as per scripts) etc. => Its relation with astrology or science or other subjects. => It's value (Qns like- Does it makes sense? Is their remedies mentioned? etc) Can form the later part of the discussion. Dear all what do you say? Kishore ji what is your opinion? Love, Sreenadhkishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik __. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Dear bk ji, Agreeing won't suffice.. You should supply us with info bits on the same as well.. Note: I will start discussing the subject of 'Dur-Mantravada' (or 'Blak Magic' as Kishore ji puts it) in my next mail. Just needs some time to sit back and prepare one about the same. Expect the same with in 2 days. But why should it hold back you from discussing the same or some other subjects in the mean while? There is so many knowledgeable individuals in this group, just fire them with questions (staire their thoughts) and create a lively atmosphere. Yap, they are all keeping quite for some days, may be in want of creative questions that would force them to answer.. So just start.. My best wishes.. Love, Sreenadh , bk k <bk_k3 wrote: > > Agree with you Sreenadhji, > > Awaiting your posts on this matter > > sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kishore ji, > All classifications are wrong!...and may be this too... But of course this mail starts the discussion on a new/old subject for our forum. ('Old' because the subject itself is ancient. 'New' because we are looking into it a new light) > Looking superfluously at subjects and trying to derive conclusions can cause wrong results... The same goes true for 'Black Magic'. As you have pointed out in your mail, the correct approach is to- > =>(1) Discuss and understand the subject of 'Black Magic' > =>(2) Discuss their effects with case studies and examples > =>(3) Look at this whole issue from an astro point of view > =>(4) Discuss the possible remedies. > Yes, all the above steps comes in order. If the point (1) is not implemented then (2),(3) and (4) does not hold any value. If only (1) and (2) are done we can look into point (3) or (4). so it goes... > As you have suggested we will try to look into this subject. My effort will be on point (1) only, as I am always interested in the basics first. In the coming mails I will try to discuss some of the concepts and issues associated with 'Black Magic'. > I think for the understanding of everybody it is better to use the original word 'Dur-Mantravada' it self. 'Dur' means 'Bad' or 'Malicious' (Something done with bad intention). 'Mantravada' means 'the kind of tantric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of 'Mantras' (secret hymns). Thus in essence 'Dur- Mantravada' means " A kind of tatric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of secret hymns done with the bad intension of (usually) harming others " > Tantic act is generally classified into two- > (1) San-Mantravada = Good Tantric Worship > and > (2) Dur-Mantravada = Malecious Tantric Worship > > We will look into is the sub classification, fundamental conceptual foundation, constituents of this method (when done systematically, as per scripts) etc. > => Its relation with astrology or science or other subjects. > => It's value (Qns like- Does it makes sense? Is their remedies mentioned? etc) > Can form the later part of the discussion. > > Dear all what do you say? Kishore ji what is your opinion? > > Love, > Sreenadh > > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic > > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass > > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > regards, > > kishore patnaik > > > > __. > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 dear sree nadh, let us forget the step no 1 in your 'correct way of doing things' we are not interested what constitutes black art since mostly we are all aware of it in general , with some variations here and there. The primary object of starting the discussion is to identify the combinations which may be prone to black art and find out the possible remedies for the same. Hope I am clear, Kishore patnaik On 4/23/07, sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kishore ji, All classifications are wrong!...and may be this too... But of course this mail starts the discussion on a new/old subject for our forum. ('Old' because the subject itself is ancient. 'New' because we are looking into it a new light) Looking superfluously at subjects and trying to derive conclusions can cause wrong results... The same goes true for 'Black Magic'. As you have pointed out in your mail, the correct approach is to- =>(1) Discuss and understand the subject of 'Black Magic' =>(2) Discuss their effects with case studies and examples =>(3) Look at this whole issue from an astro point of view =>(4) Discuss the possible remedies. Yes, all the above steps comes in order. If the point (1) is not implemented then (2),(3) and (4) does not hold any value. If only (1) and (2) are done we can look into point (3) or (4). so it goes... As you have suggested we will try to look into this subject. My effort will be on point (1) only, as I am always interested in the basics first. In the coming mails I will try to discuss some of the concepts and issues associated with 'Black Magic'. I think for the understanding of everybody it is better to use the original word 'Dur-Mantravada' it self. 'Dur' means 'Bad' or 'Malicious' (Something done with bad intention). 'Mantravada' means 'the kind of tantric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of 'Mantras' (secret hymns). Thus in essence 'Dur-Mantravada' means " A kind of tatric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of secret hymns done with the bad intension of (usually) harming others " Tantic act is generally classified into two- (1) San-Mantravada = Good Tantric Worship and (2) Dur-Mantravada = Malecious Tantric Worship We will look into is the sub classification, fundamental conceptual foundation, constituents of this method (when done systematically, as per scripts) etc. => Its relation with astrology or science or other subjects. => It's value (Qns like- Does it makes sense? Is their remedies mentioned? etc) Can form the later part of the discussion. Dear all what do you say? Kishore ji what is your opinion? Love, Sreenadhkishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ gmail.com> wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik __. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 dear all, I expected a lively discussion in these forums about the point I have raised. But I did not get many informative replies except to narrate the incidents of black art, which does not take us very far. I am presenting one combination that comes to my mind: LL in Leo and 8L in cancer can cause death due to black art I request the group once more to present their views on this subject because this is one area where we can really help people in a tremendous way. Hope I can count on this august group in my noble intentions, regards to all, Kishore patnaik On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik < kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear all, The following is a brief introduction to the system of Black Magic (or Black Art). ================================================================= Introduction to the system of Black Magic ========================================= We the children of cosmic divine destroy the incarnation of sin `Niriti' (the god of death) and thus destroy the evilness and diseases that eat us up every day, every moment, by following the consciousness. Thus we destroy the evilness in us and remove the darkness that covers over understanding. Oh! God give us the power to do so! - Atharva Veda Let it be the malicious path or the good path, to study mantravada (A deviant path of Tatra, which aims at fulfillment of intentions) a guru (teacher) is necessary. Why? Atharvada says that- `Death, Water and Moon are my teachers. Rice, wheat and all other food materials I am getting due to the compassion of the teacher. Everything and every event in the world are my teachers' Ashtanga hridaya (A book on Ayurveda, which speaks about medicine and healing techniques, written by saint Charaka) also speaks in the same line- `For an intelligent individual, in his every act, the world itself is the teacher. Because of this in worldly matters after understanding the ways methods and nature of nature and living beings one should follow the same'. These messages may give us the feeling that a separate guru is not necessary to learn even subjects like Mantravada. Ultimately, `Siva, the god which is present in and with which the whole universe is made up of, is the first guru and he himself lightens himself in everybody as consciousness – thus says the knowledgeable ones' (Quote from Suta samhita) The ultimate or the only real possible guru is within ourselves – which is nothing but consciousness. The teachers can only show the way, actual teaching and learning happens from within – we ourselves are the real gurus for ourselves. This being the real situation, we may feel that the stress on having another individual as guru to teach Mantravada (or any other similar subject) is something over stated. But it is not so. Kularnava Tantra tells us that- `Siva (or the enlightened consciousness), the ultimate guru is divine. It may not be possible for common people to see or decipher it – they always live in confusion, and darkness encompasses their consciousness always. Due to this the students of subjects like Tantric worships should take someone who is truly spiritual (who wish and act for the well being of the universe and himself, by following his own nature) as guru, and follow his teachings (till he himself lightens up, and becomes a guru who could see his own path or true nature – i.e. `Dharma'). [by the way `Dharma', `Tao' all mean almost the same and could be translated as `the path'; But even this definition does not clarify full depth of the word `Dharma'. An example may clarify further. `Burning is the true dharma of Fire'. Or in other words `Dharma' could also be translated as `true nature' (of something)] Thus it becomes clear that to study `Mantravada' in the right way, a teacher is a must. This stays true for both Dur- Mantravada (Malicious Mantravada or `Black Magic' and `Good Mantravada' or `White Magic'). If not we will end up having an erroneous understanding of this subject – as truly visible from the words `Black Magic', which itself can cause confusion regarding the depth and nature of this subject itself. The Fundamental constituents of the system of `Black Magic' Having said that, I think now we have the minimum ground necessary to embark on this subject. But before going into this study, we should have at least a minimum understanding of the constants and of this subject – i.e. Dur Mantravada. It should be clearly noted that I am speaking about Dur-Mantravada (Black Magic) which is a deviation happened in the path of Tantra and not about Tantra itself. The fundamental constituents differ a lot in both. [if you want to know more about `Tantra' read the book `Bhirava Tantra' by Osho] Here I am speaking about the constituents of the system of Black Magic and not about Tantra. `Tanta' means `Technique' and it is more about attaining enlightenment by the union of opposites – Man and Women, Siva and Sakti. Dur- Mantravada (Black Magic) is more concerned with various beliefs, and techniques to fulfill intentions, anchoring on those beliefs. Black Magic is more or less based on the following beliefs- 1) The belief in the power of secret hymns. 2) The belief in the principles of similarity and transition 3) The belief in Ayurveda system of medicine 4) The belief in astrology 5) The belief in para-normal and para-psychic powers (of ours and non-human) 6) The belief in the words of our ancestors (the belief in traditional beliefs) 7) The belief in ceremonial act or worship techniques used 8) The belief in the theory of Karma (Karma sidhanta): Eg. What you do, the result of that you are sure to get, in this life or the other. 9) The belief in re-birth. 10) The belief in multiple gods 11) The belief in the ability of dreams to foretell future 12) The belief in time a. The knowledge of Time and its nature (Time is the ultimate counter part of the universe, providing the extra dimension) b. Knowledge of the effects of time (Calendar and Muturta systems) c. The belief that we can defy time and thus death (through meditation and breath control) d. The worship of the destroyer of time (Kalakala – `Siva' who can cause the death of time itself) 13) The ultimate state (enlightenment) a. Duality (Siva - Sakti) = Dvaita b. Single God (There are several systems which consider Tripura sundari or Akhora as this single god) = Eka Daiva c. Unity (The realization that the creator, creation and the rules are one and the same) = Advaita Except the last one, all the others are beliefs – but the last one is rather a realization than a belief. If somebody gross from the preliminaries of `Black Magic' (ceremonial worships for intension fulfillment) to considering this as a path for enlightenment, then he is in the path of `Tantra' rather than `Black Magic'. * From the next mail onwards I will try to elaborate on some of these beliefs. The aim of that effort would be to make us understand a method to differentiate the pearls and waste material and literature that is present in the system of `Black Magic'. * Once the above steps is covered, we will look into the classification (Shad Karma = Marana, Mohana, Uchadana etc) and functional constituents (Mantramsaka = Mantra deeksha, Snana, Dyana, Pranayama etc), and technical constituents (Mantra recitation, Homa, Use of flowers, gems and garlands, prasada dana, use of medicines and chemicals etc) Only such an elaboration can give us the ground to have a minimum understanding of point one, I mentioned in my previous mail. I hope this mail, succeeded in providing the outline of the point under discussion, and the area it covers. Note: The elaboration and continuation of this mail depends on your response. If you all are interested in this subject me too is. If you are not interested then me too not.. This should be a group discussion for the group interest. If the subject does not serve this purpose, we can drop it and move on to something else. But if it does, we will continue with the same. ================================================================= This mail was a bit late. Sorry. But I hope at least to someone it would be useful. Love, Sreenadh , bk k <bk_k3 wrote: > > Agree with you Sreenadhji, > > Awaiting your posts on this matter > > sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kishore ji, > All classifications are wrong!...and may be this too... But of course this mail starts the discussion on a new/old subject for our forum. ('Old' because the subject itself is ancient. 'New' because we are looking into it a new light) > Looking superfluously at subjects and trying to derive conclusions can cause wrong results... The same goes true for 'Black Magic'. As you have pointed out in your mail, the correct approach is to- > =>(1) Discuss and understand the subject of 'Black Magic' > =>(2) Discuss their effects with case studies and examples > =>(3) Look at this whole issue from an astro point of view > =>(4) Discuss the possible remedies. > Yes, all the above steps comes in order. If the point (1) is not implemented then (2),(3) and (4) does not hold any value. If only (1) and (2) are done we can look into point (3) or (4). so it goes... > As you have suggested we will try to look into this subject. My effort will be on point (1) only, as I am always interested in the basics first. In the coming mails I will try to discuss some of the concepts and issues associated with 'Black Magic'. > I think for the understanding of everybody it is better to use the original word 'Dur-Mantravada' it self. 'Dur' means 'Bad' or 'Malicious' (Something done with bad intention). 'Mantravada' means 'the kind of tantric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of 'Mantras' (secret hymns). Thus in essence 'Dur- Mantravada' means " A kind of tatric ceremonial act or worship accompanied by the pronunciation of secret hymns done with the bad intension of (usually) harming others " > Tantic act is generally classified into two- > (1) San-Mantravada = Good Tantric Worship > and > (2) Dur-Mantravada = Malecious Tantric Worship > > We will look into is the sub classification, fundamental conceptual foundation, constituents of this method (when done systematically, as per scripts) etc. > => Its relation with astrology or science or other subjects. > => It's value (Qns like- Does it makes sense? Is their remedies mentioned? etc) > Can form the later part of the discussion. > > Dear all what do you say? Kishore ji what is your opinion? > > Love, > Sreenadh > > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic > > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass > > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > regards, > > kishore patnaik > > > > __. > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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