Karaka for sixth house

April 15, 2007

dear all,there was an interesting topic going on right now in varaha mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and hence, for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages into a word document and am enclosing it here. I am sure the members will start an interesting thread on this topic in this group. Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if i have missed on any message in this thread. regards, kishore patnaik

April 15, 2007

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Kishore,

Namaste

I must correct my statement in the referencing – it is Srishtikhanda, Chapter 81 of the Padma Purana. In the same khanda Chapter 34, there are some suggestions of fasts to be done.

I am attaching the pdf in sanskrita and if you can find the time, please translate for all of us.

Thanks.

Love,

Swee

kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09

Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:54:23 +0530

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[Jaya Jagannatha] Karaka for sixth house

dear all,

there was an interesting topic going on right now in varaha mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and hence, for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages into a word document and am enclosing it here.

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Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if i have missed on any message in this thread.

regards,

kishore patnaik

April 16, 2007

Aum Durgayai Namah

Namaste Tarun,

I respectfully disagree with you, the karka for the 6th has to be primarily mars, and then perhaps saturn. Courage is also mars as in this case its battle anyways, does not matter in or outside a courtroom..that is only mars...

just my thoughts;

Gaurav

In a message dated 4/16/2007 11:28:55 P.M. India Standard Time, tarun.virgo writes:

Dear sir,Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.6th house is the house of satya.because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it is not always correctso in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.if person has to fight in battle then marsif he needs to be courageous then sunif he needs mind to win the disputesso on...Please correct me where i went wrong.RegardsTarun , "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo wrote:>> Dear sir,> > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.> 6th house is the house of satya.> because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it is not always correct> so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.> if person has to fight in battle then mars> if he needs to be courageous then sun> if he needs mind to win the disputes> > so on...> > Tarun correct me where i went wrong.> > Regards> > Tarun> > > - > kishore patnaik > vedic astrology ; ; Astro_Remedies ; ; lalkitab ; naastrology ; ; ; sohamsa ; Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad > Monday, April 16, 2007 10:57 PM> [Om Krishna Guru] Karaka for sixth house> > > dear all,> > there was an interesting topic going on right now in varaha mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and hence, for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages into a word document and am enclosing it here. > > I am sure the members will start an interesting thread on this topic in this group. > > Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if i have missed on any message in this thread. > > > regards, > > kishore patnaik>~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practice charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

April 16, 2007

Hi Kishore, The discussions there seems to be hopeless! Let us look at the issue though the basics - simple and straight.1) Fixed Bhava karakasThere are fixed bhava karakas. Many texts quote them and may differ a bit in there versions. Fixed karakas simply says that most of the things signified by the house is also signified by that planet. For example Ju is the karaka for 2nd - Because Money, words, learning, wealth etc all are indicated by Ju and 2nd house. In the same way as per phaladeepika (Remember the sloka - 'dyumanir, amara mantri, bhoosuta.....), Sa and Ma are the fixed bhava karakas for 6th house. This is logical because, sadness, service etc is indicated by Sa, and wound, battle etc by Ma - all of which are signified by the 6th house.2) House lord as karaka - Every house lord is a bhava karaka for that house (sign) The jatakadesa sloka says- 'Adhipa sarva

bhavanam karaka parikeertita'. This means the sign/house lord signifies everything that house signifies. In this sense, if Ta is the 6th house then Ve is karaka and, if Cn is 6th house the Mo is karaka and so on. (This can be extended to Vargas/Divisions - such as Hora, Drekkana, Navamsa etc as well)3) Natural karakas - every planet is significator for several things. In this sense, If you are thinking about enemy by 6th house - Ma could be a natural karaka If about service - Sa could be a natural karaka If about devilish deeds - Ra or Ke could be a natural karka If about Weapons - Ma, Su or almost any planet could be a natural karaka If about Debt - almost any planet could be a natural karaka But, to emphasize the point the planet SHOULD

HAVE a 'relation' with the 6th house. Now if it is the situation, then why is all this unnecessary confusion related to the karaka of 6th house?!! All the above rules applies all the houses, as far as the determination of significators are concerned. I thinks the 3 part division such as Fixed Karakas, House lord as karaka, and Natural karaka as done by ancient saints is simple and straight.Regards,Sreenadhkishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: dear all,there was

an interesting topic going on right now in varaha mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and hence, for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages into a word document and am enclosing it here. I am sure the members will start an interesting thread on this topic in this group. Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if i have missed on any message in this thread. regards, kishore patnaik

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April 16, 2007

hare rama krsna

Dear Gurudev,

Welcome back.

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Visti Larsen napisał(a):

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Tarun, Namaskar

I have just come home from Serbia and saw your mail.

Some words from the Serbian Orthodox priests have been repeating

themselves in my mind. The greatest sign of strength is not in winning

great battles but in overcoming our own weaknesses. And these

weaknesses are those which compell us to incur sin. The main cause of

all the battles, addictions, and other weaknesses arising from the

sixth house is ripu or sin. There are six sins: Kaama, Krodha, Lobha,

Moha, Madha and Matsyara.

A good excercise is to look them up and asign one among the six

rajasic and tamasic planets to these.

To overcome these the Orthodox church advises two necessary paths

or

wings to 'fly' to God: 1) Fasting and 2) praying. The weapon/sword of

prayer is the brianica or rosary and is a vital part of the

persons progression away from the sixth house. So also the 5th house

(prayer) and 12th house (fasting) are the houses of loss (12th) and

death/maraka (7th) from the sixth house of sin.

The main cause of sin is SATURN, and for this reason the main

karaka

for the sixth is Saturn. The sub-karakas are dependant on the type of

sin. Mars causes krodha or anger, and as a result of anger coming from

others or the native themself the native gets into battles, courtcases,

fights, etc... all this is Mars. Its a separate issue that these

problems may arise or be instigated by the other sins such as lobha

(greed) or kaama (lust). But, they are all sins.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com

Tarun wrote:

Dear sir,

Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.

6th house is the house of satya.

because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it is

not always correct

so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.

if person has to fight in battle then mars

if he needs to be courageous then sun

if he needs mind to win the disputes

so on...

Please correct me where i went wrong.

Regards

Tarun

@

. com,

"~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear sir,

>

> Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.

> 6th house is the house of satya.

> because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it is

not always correct

> so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.

> if person has to fight in battle then mars

> if he needs to be courageous then sun

> if he needs mind to win the disputes

>

> so on...

>

> Tarun correct me where i went wrong.

>

> Regards

>

> Tarun

>

> -

> kishore patnaik

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. com

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> Monday, April 16, 2007 10:57 PM

> [Om Krishna Guru] Karaka for sixth house

>

> dear all,

>

> there was an interesting topic going on right now in varaha

mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and hence,

for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages into a

word document and am enclosing it here.

>

> I am sure the members will start an interesting thread on this

topic in this group.

>

> Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if i have

missed on any message in this thread.

>

> regards,

>

> kishore patnaik

>

April 17, 2007

|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Namaste Visti,

Your explanation, of equating 6th house to shad-ripus is not in line with the jyotish principles.

Shad-ripus are six enemies - the enemies within. - or weaknesses

Weakness, and even enmity, is indicated by 8th bhava, not 6th.

As per BPHS:

Indications of Ari Bhava. Maternal uncle, doubts about death, enemies, ulcers, step-mother etc. are to be estimated from Ari Bhava.

Indications of Randhr Bhava. Randhr Bhava indicates longevity, battle, enemies, forts, wealth of the dead and things, that have happened and are to happen (in the past and future births).

Therefore, you are correct is associating Saturn with Shad-ripus, and weaknesses, but do not assign the 6th bhava karakatwa to Saturn.

BPHS assigns it to Mars and we have no reason, or any logical explanation to go against it.

Regards,

- Shailesh

, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:>> ??? ??? ??????> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar> I have just come home from Serbia and saw your mail.> > Some words from the Serbian Orthodox priests have been repeating > themselves in my mind. The greatest sign of strength is not in winning > great battles but in overcoming our own weaknesses. And these weaknesses > are those which compell us to incur sin. The main cause of all the > battles, addictions, and other weaknesses arising from the sixth house > is ripu or sin. There are six sins: Kaama, Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Madha > and Matsyara.> > A good excercise is to look them up and asign one among the six rajasic > and tamasic planets to these.> > To overcome these the Orthodox church advises two necessary paths or > wings to 'fly' to God: 1) Fasting and 2) praying. The weapon/sword of > prayer is the /brianica/ or rosary and is a vital part of the persons > progression away from the sixth house. So also the 5th house (prayer) > and 12th house (fasting) are the houses of loss (12th) and death/maraka > (7th) from the sixth house of sin.> > The main cause of sin is SATURN, and for this reason the main karaka for > the sixth is Saturn. The sub-karakas are dependant on the type of sin. > Mars causes krodha or anger, and as a result of anger coming from others > or the native themself the native gets into battles, courtcases, fights, > etc... all this is Mars. Its a separate issue that these problems may > arise or be instigated by the other sins such as lobha (greed) or kaama > (lust). But, they are all sins.> > Yours sincerely,> > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark> email: visti <visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com>> > Tarun wrote:> >> > Dear sir,> >> > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.> > 6th house is the house of satya.> > because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it is> > not always correct> > so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.> > if person has to fight in battle then mars> > if he needs to be courageous then sun> > if he needs mind to win the disputes> >> > so on...> >> > Please correct me where i went wrong.> >> > Regards> >> > Tarun> >> > > > <%40>, "~Tarun~" tarun.virgo@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear sir,> > >> > > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.> > > 6th house is the house of satya.> > > because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it is> > not always correct> > > so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.> > > if person has to fight in battle then mars> > > if he needs to be courageous then sun> > > if he needs mind to win the disputes> > >> > > so on...> > >> > > Tarun correct me where i went wrong.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Tarun> > >> > >> > > -> > > kishore patnaik> > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40> ;> > > > <%40> ;> > Astro_Remedies > > <Astro_Remedies%40> ; > > <%40> ;> > lalkitab <lalkitab%40> ; > > naastrology <naastrology%40> ; SJC-> > Africa <Africa%40> ; > > <%40> ;> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ; > > Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad > > <Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad%40>> > > Monday, April 16, 2007 10:57 PM> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Karaka for sixth house> > >> > >> > > dear all,> > >> > > there was an interesting topic going on right now in varaha> > mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and hence,> > for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages into a> > word document and am enclosing it here.> > >> > > I am sure the members will start an interesting thread on this> > topic in this group.> > >> > > Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if i have> > missed on any message in this thread.> > >> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > kishore patnaik> > >> >> >>

April 17, 2007

hare rama krsna

Dear Shailesh,

Â Â Â Yes..but the Shadripu is the real cause of all enmity. Eight bhava

is still connected to sudden wrong things which are cause of past

karma, while the sixth being the Upachaya shows weakness which are the

foundation of our actions in this life, therefore sixth bhava is the

maraka to mantra (fifth) and moksa (twelfth). This is also pretty

elaborated in the lecture about the diseases.

Â Â Â But if still You dont have the faith in all this then best is to

ask Sanjayji and that will be final.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Guru

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(+48) 503 44 18 18

Shailesh Chadha napisaÅ‚(a):

|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Â

Namaste Visti,

You have partly answered the question your self.

BPHS mentions 8th house for RIPU and your focus is SHAD-RIPU

- provided GC Sharmas version is accurate(as you said);

Just as you have mentioned to Tarun - it has to be decided

after thorough comparison.

So, lets leave that aside for the moment.

I will twist your question slightly:

is the sixth house confined ONLY to our internal weaknesses

(saturn) and the various problems associated with it?

Is it right to disregard all other significations of 6

th house and consider only shad-ripus?

Please also consider the following -

BPHS:

Ch. 17. Effects of 6th

House

2. Ulcers/Bruises. Should 6ths Lord be in 6th

itself, or in Lagna, or 8th, there will be ulcers, or bruises on the

body. The RÄÅ›i, becoming 6th House, will lead to the knowledge of the

concerned limb.

Ch. 19. Effects of 8th

HouseÂ

2. Short Life. Should 8ths Lord join Lagnas Lord, or a

malefic and be in 8th itself, the native will be short lived.

Ch. 24. Effects of the

House LordsÂ

1.Effects of Lagnas Lord in Various HousesÂ

If Lagnas Lord is in 6th House and related to a malefic the

native will be devoid of physical happiness and will be troubled by

enemies, if there is no benefic Aspect.

If Lagnas Lord is in 8th House, the native will be an

accomplished scholar, be sickly, thievish, be given to much anger, be a

gambler and will join others wives

61. Effects of 6ths Lord in Various HousesÂ

If 6ths Lord is in 1st House, the native will be sickly,

famous, inimical to his own men, rich, honourable, adventurous and

virtuous.Â

85. Effects of 8ths Lord in Various Houses

If 8ths Lord is in 1st House, the native will be devoid of

physical felicity and will suffer from wounds. He will be hostile to

gods and Brahmins.Â

Satya Jataka

The

sixth house signifies diseases, troubles from enemies,

worries, injuries, litigation, sorrows, maternal uncle, injuries,

armies, mental worries and legal involvements.

The

eighth house signifies longevity, misfortunes, sins,

debts, enmity, death, difficulties, impediments, grief and unhappiness

resulting from sins committed in previous births, sudden and untimely

death and enemies

Mars:

He represents thick red colour, fire, bricks, power, thorny trees, wild

animals, mosquitoes, bugs, sheep, bones, brothers, lands, houses,

anger, war, instruments, thieves, marrow of the bone, bitter taste,

energy, prowess, sin, wounds, battles, enemies, daring acts, cruelty

and torture, roaming in forests, bronze, golden waist-string, pomp and

show and a house on fire.

Saturn:

indicates evil nature, cunningness, impediments, wickedness, servants,

mean acts, thieves, old dilapidated houses, bitter fruits, forests,

fruits with thick skin, wild flowers, trees full of thorns, bamboos,

palmyra trees, margosa trees and wild animals.

Daivagyna Vallabha

Ill health, bad state, enemies, servants, cruel deeds, heavy

actions, witchcraft applied by enemies with an intention of killing

enemies, doubts, wars, uncle, buffaloes, diseases, etc. are to be

considered from the sixth house.

Longevity and enmity, death, ruling powers, strife,

quarrels, cleft, quarrels among relatives, hatred, places difficult to

approach, fort, destruction of wife and enemies, crossing of rivers

etc. are to be seen from the eighth house.

In most of the above quotes, sins and similar weaknesses

have been associated with 8

th house.

Furthermore, Sixth house is part of Artha Trikona â€“ would

not a Rajasic planet be a better significator?

Â

Regards,

Â

- Shailesh

On 17 Apr 2007 00:45:42 -0700, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:

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Dear Shailesh, Namaskar

I checked BPHS and found the translation in line with what you have

said. However when analyzing the sanskrit something becomes very

prevailent.

--sixth house--

mÄtulÄntakaÅ›aá¹kÄnÄá¹ Å›atrÅ«á¹Å›caiva vraá¹‡ÄdikÄn|

sapalnÄ«mÄtaraá¹ cÄpi á¹£aá¹£á¹habhÄvÄnnirÄ«ká¹£yet||7||

Here the word 'shatru' has been used to indicate the enemies

which leaves no doubt that the reference is to enemies.

--eighth house--

ÄyÅ« raá¹‡a ripuá¸¥ cÄpi durgaá¹ mï…—tadhanaá¹ tathÄ|

gatyanukÄdikaá¹ sarvaá¹ paÅ›yedraá¹dhrÄdvicaká¹£aá¹‡aá¸¥||

Here Sharma has translated 'ripu' as 'enemies' which is only

PARTLY correct. Here are the possible options from Monier Williams:

Â mfn. deceitful , treacherous , false RV. m. a deceiver , cheat , rogue

ib. an enemy , adversary , foe Mn. MBh. & c.

As you can see this does not specifically indicate enemy, but

rather anyone who can deceive you or USE your weaknesses.

Further Sharma does comment that in the Bombay edition of BPHS

this sloka doesn't mention enemies at all. Btw. most scripts accept the

word 'ripu' as a well known indicator of the sixth house. Parasara has

just further shown that this can also be seen in the eighth house which

is fine.

o Reg. Mars vs. Saturn for the sixth house karakatva o

Satyacharya also mentions Saturn whilst Parasara mentions Mars. The

question is do we accept that the sixth house shows our internal

weaknesses (saturn) and because of these the various problems in life

arise. Or do we accept that the sixth house shows our external enemies

(Mars)?

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email:

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com

Shailesh Chandra Chadha wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Â

Namaste Visti,

Â

Your explanation, of equating 6th house to shad-ripus is

not in line with the jyotish principles.

Â

Shad-ripus areÂ six enemies -Â the enemies within. - or

weaknesses

Â

Weakness, and even enmity,Â is indicated byÂ 8th bhava, not

6th.

Â

As per BPHS:

Indications of Ari Bhava. Maternal uncle,

doubts about death, enemies, ulcers, step-mother etc. are to be

estimated from Ari Bhava.

Â

Indications of Randhr Bhava. Randhr Bhava

indicates longevity, battle, enemies, forts, wealth of the dead and

things, that have happened and are to happen (in the past and future

births).

Â

Therefore, you are correct is associatingÂ Saturn with

Shad-ripus, and weaknesses, but do not assign the 6th bhava karakatwa

to Saturn.

Â

BPHS assigns it to Mars and we have no reason, or any

logical explanation to go against it.

Â

Regards,

Â

- Shailesh

@

. com, Visti Larsen <visti

wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> I have just come home from Serbia and saw your mail.

>

> Some words from the Serbian Orthodox priests have been repeating

> themselves in my mind. The greatest sign of strength is not in

winning

> great battles but in overcoming our own weaknesses. And these

weaknesses

> are those which compell us to incur sin. The main cause of all the

> battles, addictions, and other weaknesses arising from the sixth

house

> is ripu or sin. There are six sins: Kaama, Krodha, Lobha, Moha,

Madha

> and Matsyara.

>

> A good excercise is to look them up and asign one among the six

rajasic

> and tamasic planets to these.

>

> To overcome these the Orthodox church advises two necessary paths

or

> wings to 'fly' to God: 1) Fasting and 2) praying. The weapon/sword

of

> prayer is the /brianica/ or rosary and is a vital part of the

persons

> progression away from the sixth house. So also the 5th house

(prayer)

> and 12th house (fasting) are the houses of loss (12th) and

death/maraka

> (7th) from the sixth house of sin.

>

> The main cause of sin is SATURN, and for this reason the main

karaka for

> the sixth is Saturn. The sub-karakas are dependant on the type of

sin.

> Mars causes krodha or anger, and as a result of anger coming from

others

> or the native themself the native gets into battles, courtcases,

fights,

> etc... all this is Mars. Its a separate issue that these problems

may

> arise or be instigated by the other sins such as lobha (greed) or

kaama

> (lust). But, they are all sins.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti@

....

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

> <

http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Tarun wrote:

> >

> > Dear sir,

> >

> > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.

> > 6th house is the house of satya.

> > because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it

is

> > not always correct

> > so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.

> > if person has to fight in battle then mars

> > if he needs to be courageous then sun

> > if he needs mind to win the disputes

> >

> > so on...

> >

> > Please correct me where i went wrong.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > @

. com

> > <

%40. com>, "~Tarun~" tarun.virgo@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > >

> > > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native

too.

> > > 6th house is the house of satya.

> > > because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory

....it is

> > not always correct

> > > so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.

> > > if person has to fight in battle then mars

> > > if he needs to be courageous then sun

> > > if he needs mind to win the disputes

> > >

> > > so on...

> > >

> > > Tarun correct me where i went wrong.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > > -

> > > kishore patnaik

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. com

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> > > Monday, April 16, 2007 10:57 PM

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Karaka for sixth house

> > >

> > > dear all,

> > >

> > > there was an interesting topic going on right now in

varaha

> > mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and

hence,

> > for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages

into a

> > word document and am enclosing it here.

> > >

> > > I am sure the members will start an interesting thread

on this

> > topic in this group.

> > >

> > > Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if

i have

> > missed on any message in this thread.

> > >

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> > >

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April 17, 2007

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Dear Shailesh, Namaskar

Rafal has a point which also answers this question. All bhavas have a

root signification and that is why there is one MAIN karaka for each

bhava. I.e. we are suffering from the six weaknesses because we could

not keep our purity in the past life times. I.e. because we were too

prone to anger in this life our anger will be tested. Because we were

too attached to money in the past we will be put in situations where

taking money can carry serious problems. The root cause is our lack of

purity or excess of sin/ripu. Thus MANY MANY classics refer to the

sixth bhava by the name 'ripu' and from it we get diseases, accidents,

fights, enemies and all the other significations explained by Parasara.

These are however the negative indications and are all indicated by

Saturn as it is he who carries our dustha karma from many lifetimes and

gives it to us in the form of dukha or sorrow.

Now you qoute many classics, but mere statistics won't help us.

Especially the word 'sin' can have different meanings in sanskrit.

Prasna Marga is to my knowledge the only one who has attempted to make

this clear differentiation for us when describing the nature of

diseases. He states:

rogÃ¤stu dvividhÃ¤ jÃ¯eyÃ¤ nijÃ¤gantuvidbhedetaÃ¹

Translation: Two types of diseases (roga) are to be known. Nija and Ã¤gantu are the two.

Harihara later explains that nija is seen from the eighth and fifth

houses, whilst agantu is seen from the sixth and badhaka houses.

Nija dosha specifically refers to ones OWN karma/dosha. It refers to

the bad karma we have caused unto others/the world.

Agantuka refers to the karma caused upon oneself... i.e. how you

treated yourself

For this reason it is taught in the tradition that the eighth lords RASI

will show the place of the disease arising out of nija dosha,

whereas the sixth lords BHAVA will show the diseases arising

out of ones weaknesses/sin... I.e. the Rasis show the world/God whilst

the bhavas are created by the individual. Deep rooted perspective

indeed.

I hope the above makes the paramparas perspective much clearer.

Karaka literally means: 'kara' acting/doer; 'ka' does. I.e. the one who

acts on behalf of another actor/doer. The closest English word is

significator. By making the karaka of a house strong you will overcome

the issues associated with that house. I.e. If the digestive fire is

good (sun) then the health will be perfect (lagna). If you keep

celibacy or purity (mars or some say mercury) then the weaknesses will

go away (sixth house). But... this is very idealistic. Most people have

the sins already and are acting on behalf of them, and really what they

need to do is renounce them and be strong enough to carry them before

projecting them on others. This act of carrying the sins is that of

Saturn and by making Saturn auspicious the native will never see sorrow

and easily cross this life. For this reason Saturn acts as a very

strong contender for the karakatva of the sixth house, and this is how

the tradition treats it.

So recite Om Namo Bhagavate Akuparaaya| and be strong to carry your

sins.

I hope this clarifies everything.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

Shailesh Chadha wrote:

||

Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Â

Namaste

Visti,

You

have partly answered the question your self.

BPHS

mentions 8th house for RIPU and your focus is SHAD-RIPU - provided GC

Sharmas version is accurate(as you said);

Just

as you have mentioned to Tarun - it has to be decided after thorough

comparison.

So,

lets leave that aside for the moment.

I

will twist your question slightly:

is

the sixth house confined ONLY to our internal weaknesses (saturn) and

the various problems associated with it?

Is

it right to disregard all other significations of 6

th house and consider only shad-ripus?

Please

also consider the following -

BPHS:

Ch.

17. Effects of 6th House

2.

Ulcers/Bruises. Should 6ths Lord be in 6th itself, or in Lagna, or 8th,

there will be ulcers, or bruises on the body. The RÄÅ›i, becoming 6th

House, will lead to the knowledge of the concerned limb.

Ch.

19. Effects of 8th HouseÂ

2.

Short Life. Should 8ths Lord join Lagnas Lord, or a malefic and be in

8th itself, the native will be short lived.

Ch.

24. Effects of the House LordsÂ

1.Effects

of Lagnas Lord in Various HousesÂ

If

Lagnas Lord is in 6th House and related to a malefic the native will be

devoid of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there

is no benefic Aspect.

If

Lagnas Lord is in 8th House, the native will be an accomplished

scholar, be sickly, thievish, be given to much anger, be a gambler and

will join others wives

61.

Effects of 6ths Lord in Various HousesÂ

If

6ths Lord is in 1st House, the native will be sickly, famous, inimical

to his own men, rich, honourable, adventurous and virtuous.Â

85.

Effects of 8ths Lord in Various Houses

If

8ths Lord is in 1st House, the native will be devoid of physical

felicity and will suffer from wounds. He will be hostile to gods and

Brahmins.Â

Satya

Jataka

The

sixth house signifies diseases, troubles from enemies,

worries, injuries, litigation, sorrows, maternal uncle, injuries,

armies, mental worries and legal involvements.

The

eighth house signifies longevity, misfortunes, sins,

debts, enmity, death, difficulties, impediments, grief and unhappiness

resulting from sins committed in previous births, sudden and untimely

death and enemies

Mars:

He

represents thick red colour, fire, bricks, power, thorny trees, wild

animals, mosquitoes, bugs, sheep, bones, brothers, lands, houses,

anger, war, instruments, thieves, marrow of the bone, bitter taste,

energy, prowess, sin, wounds, battles, enemies, daring acts, cruelty

and torture, roaming in forests, bronze, golden waist-string, pomp and

show and a house on fire.

Saturn:

indicates

evil nature, cunningness, impediments, wickedness, servants, mean acts,

thieves, old dilapidated houses, bitter fruits, forests, fruits with

thick skin, wild flowers, trees full of thorns, bamboos, palmyra trees,

margosa trees and wild animals.

Daivagyna

Vallabha

Ill

health, bad state, enemies, servants, cruel deeds, heavy actions,

witchcraft applied by enemies with an intention of killing enemies,

doubts, wars, uncle, buffaloes, diseases, etc. are to be considered

from the sixth house.

Longevity

and enmity, death, ruling powers, strife, quarrels, cleft, quarrels

among relatives, hatred, places difficult to approach, fort,

destruction of wife and enemies, crossing of rivers etc. are to be seen

from the eighth house.

In

most of the above quotes, sins and similar weaknesses have been

associated with 8

th house.

Furthermore,

Sixth house is part of Artha Trikona â€“ would not a Rajasic planet be a

better significator?

Â

Regards,

Â

-

Shailesh

On 17 Apr 2007 00:45:42 -0700, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>

wrote:

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Dear Shailesh, Namaskar

I checked BPHS and found the translation in line with what you have

said. However when analyzing the sanskrit something becomes very

prevailent.

--sixth house--

mÄtulÄntakaÅ›aá¹kÄnÄá¹ Å›atrÅ«á¹Å›caiva vraá¹‡ÄdikÄn|

sapalnÄ«mÄtaraá¹ cÄpi á¹£aá¹£á¹habhÄvÄnnirÄ«ká¹£yet||7||

Here the word 'shatru' has been used to indicate the enemies

which leaves no doubt that the reference is to enemies.

--eighth house--

ÄyÅ« raá¹‡a ripuá¸¥ cÄpi durgaá¹ mï…—tadhanaá¹ tathÄ|

gatyanukÄdikaá¹ sarvaá¹ paÅ›yedraá¹dhrÄdvicaká¹£aá¹‡aá¸¥||

Here Sharma has translated 'ripu' as 'enemies' which is only

PARTLY correct. Here are the possible options from Monier Williams:

Â mfn. deceitful , treacherous , false RV. m. a deceiver , cheat , rogue

ib. an enemy , adversary , foe Mn. MBh. & c.

As you can see this does not specifically indicate enemy, but

rather anyone who can deceive you or USE your weaknesses.

Further Sharma does comment that in the Bombay edition of BPHS

this sloka doesn't mention enemies at all. Btw. most scripts accept the

word 'ripu' as a well known indicator of the sixth house. Parasara has

just further shown that this can also be seen in the eighth house which

is fine.

o Reg. Mars vs. Saturn for the sixth house karakatva o

Satyacharya also mentions Saturn whilst Parasara mentions Mars. The

question is do we accept that the sixth house shows our internal

weaknesses (saturn) and because of these the various problems in life

arise. Or do we accept that the sixth house shows our external enemies

(Mars)?

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email:

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

Shailesh Chandra Chadha wrote:

|| Om Gurave

Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Â

Namaste Visti,

Â

Your explanation, of equating

6th house to shad-ripus is not in line with the jyotish principles.

Â

Shad-ripus areÂ six enemies -Â the

enemies within. - or weaknesses

Â

Weakness, and even enmity,Â is

indicated byÂ 8th bhava, not 6th.

Â

As per BPHS:

Indications of Ari Bhava. Maternal uncle,

doubts about death, enemies, ulcers, step-mother etc. are to be

estimated from Ari Bhava.

Â

Indications of Randhr Bhava. Randhr Bhava

indicates longevity, battle, enemies, forts, wealth of the dead and

things, that have happened and are to happen (in the past and future

births).

Â

Therefore, you are correct is

associatingÂ Saturn with Shad-ripus, and weaknesses, but do not assign

the 6th bhava karakatwa to Saturn.

Â

BPHS assigns it to Mars and we have no reason, or any

logical explanation to go against it.

Â

Regards,

Â

- Shailesh

,

Visti Larsen <visti

wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> I have just come home from Serbia and saw your mail.

>

> Some words from the Serbian Orthodox priests have been repeating

> themselves in my mind. The greatest sign of strength is not in

winning

> great battles but in overcoming our own weaknesses. And these

weaknesses

> are those which compell us to incur sin. The main cause of all the

> battles, addictions, and other weaknesses arising from the sixth

house

> is ripu or sin. There are six sins: Kaama, Krodha, Lobha, Moha,

Madha

> and Matsyara.

>

> A good excercise is to look them up and asign one among the six

rajasic

> and tamasic planets to these.

>

> To overcome these the Orthodox church advises two necessary paths

or

> wings to 'fly' to God: 1) Fasting and 2) praying. The weapon/sword

of

> prayer is the /brianica/ or rosary and is a vital part of the

persons

> progression away from the sixth house. So also the 5th house

(prayer)

> and 12th house (fasting) are the houses of loss (12th) and

death/maraka

> (7th) from the sixth house of sin.

>

> The main cause of sin is SATURN, and for this reason the main

karaka for

> the sixth is Saturn. The sub-karakas are dependant on the type of

sin.

> Mars causes krodha or anger, and as a result of anger coming from

others

> or the native themself the native gets into battles, courtcases,

fights,

> etc... all this is Mars. Its a separate issue that these problems

may

> arise or be instigated by the other sins such as lobha (greed) or

kaama

> (lust). But, they are all sins.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti@

....

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

> <

http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Tarun wrote:

> >

> > Dear sir,

> >

> > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.

> > 6th house is the house of satya.

> > because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it

is

> > not always correct

> > so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.

> > if person has to fight in battle then mars

> > if he needs to be courageous then sun

> > if he needs mind to win the disputes

> >

> > so on...

> >

> > Please correct me where i went wrong.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > <

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tarun.virgo@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > >

> > > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native

too.

> > > 6th house is the house of satya.

> > > because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory

....it is

> > not always correct

> > > so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.

> > > if person has to fight in battle then mars

> > > if he needs to be courageous then sun

> > > if he needs mind to win the disputes

> > >

> > > so on...

> > >

> > > Tarun correct me where i went wrong.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > > -

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> > > Monday, April 16, 2007 10:57 PM

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Karaka for sixth house

> > >

> > > dear all,

> > >

> > > there was an interesting topic going on right now in

varaha

> > mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and

hence,

> > for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages

into a

> > word document and am enclosing it here.

> > >

> > > I am sure the members will start an interesting thread

on this

> > topic in this group.

> > >

> > > Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if

i have

> > missed on any message in this thread.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > kishore patnaik

> > >

> >

>

Â

--

Shailesh C Chadha

#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally,

Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIA

Tel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ®

Â Â Â Â Â Â (Cell) +91 984 999 4837

- Be who you are and

say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who

matter don't mind.

- Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will

find an EXCUSE.

________________________________

April 17, 2007

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|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Namaste Visti,

Let me start by saying that I am saddened with your response.

I do not expect a SJC guru to brush-off some very relevant quotes from classics as mere statistics.

If that was to be so, then why do we study them?

Is it only for the purpose of selectively quoting from them when it suits our line of argument and dismiss the contrary as irrelevant or unreliable?

I am sorry but that is not the way any healthy discussion can be carried out - it just shows "assumed" intellectual arrogance and it is the first step towards decline in learning.

And, to me the bottomline is that BPHS is the supreme jyotish fointain-head; every thing else is a commentary or a learning-aid.

Unless logically proved other-wise, no dictum or parampara or Guru can over-ride BPHS teachings.

I do not have to remind you that "Sri Jagannath Center (SJC) was established in India with the objective of teaching jyotish in the tradition of maharishis like Parasara and Jaimini."

Incidentally, neither you, nor Rafal has offered any logical agrument to contradict what I have quoted.

Prasna Marga is just that - applicable only on Prasna - so please do not use it for natal charts.

Regards,

- Shailesh

-

Visti Larsen

Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:25 PM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Karaka for sixth house

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Dear Shailesh, NamaskarRafal has a point which also answers this question. All bhavas have a root signification and that is why there is one MAIN karaka for each bhava. I.e. we are suffering from the six weaknesses because we could not keep our purity in the past life times. I.e. because we were too prone to anger in this life our anger will be tested. Because we were too attached to money in the past we will be put in situations where taking money can carry serious problems. The root cause is our lack of purity or excess of sin/ripu. Thus MANY MANY classics refer to the sixth bhava by the name 'ripu' and from it we get diseases, accidents, fights, enemies and all the other significations explained by Parasara. These are however the negative indications and are all indicated by Saturn as it is he who carries our dustha karma from many lifetimes and gives it to us in the form of dukha or sorrow.

Now you qoute many classics, but mere statistics won't help us. Especially the word 'sin' can have different meanings in sanskrit. Prasna Marga is to my knowledge the only one who has attempted to make this clear differentiation for us when describing the nature of diseases. He states: rogÃ¤stu dvividhÃ¤ jÃ¯eyÃ¤ nijÃ¤gantuvidbhedetaÃ¹Translation: Two types of diseases (roga) are to be known. Nija and Ã¤gantu are the two.Harihara later explains that nija is seen from the eighth and fifth houses, whilst agantu is seen from the sixth and badhaka houses. Nija dosha specifically refers to ones OWN karma/dosha. It refers to the bad karma we have caused unto others/the world.Agantuka refers to the karma caused upon oneself... i.e. how you treated yourself

For this reason it is taught in the tradition that the eighth lords RASI will show the place of the disease arising out of nija dosha, whereas the sixth lords BHAVA will show the diseases arising out of ones weaknesses/sin... I.e. the Rasis show the world/God whilst the bhavas are created by the individual. Deep rooted perspective indeed.

I hope the above makes the paramparas perspective much clearer.Karaka literally means: 'kara' acting/doer; 'ka' does. I.e. the one who acts on behalf of another actor/doer. The closest English word is significator. By making the karaka of a house strong you will overcome the issues associated with that house. I.e. If the digestive fire is good (sun) then the health will be perfect (lagna). If you keep celibacy or purity (mars or some say mercury) then the weaknesses will go away (sixth house). But... this is very idealistic. Most people have the sins already and are acting on behalf of them, and really what they need to do is renounce them and be strong enough to carry them before projecting them on others. This act of carrying the sins is that of Saturn and by making Saturn auspicious the native will never see sorrow and easily cross this life. For this reason Saturn acts as a very strong contender for the karakatva of the sixth house, and this is how the tradition treats it.

So recite Om Namo Bhagavate Akuparaaya| and be strong to carry your sins.I hope this clarifies everything.

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Shailesh Chadha wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Namaste Visti,

You have partly answered the question your self.

BPHS mentions 8th house for RIPU and your focus is SHAD-RIPU - provided GC Sharmas version is accurate(as you said);

Just as you have mentioned to Tarun - it has to be decided after thorough comparison.

So, lets leave that aside for the moment.

I will twist your question slightly:

is the sixth house confined ONLY to our internal weaknesses (saturn) and the various problems associated with it?

Is it right to disregard all other significations of 6 th house and consider only shad-ripus?

Please also consider the following -

BPHS:

Ch. 17. Effects of 6th House2. Ulcers/Bruises. Should 6ths Lord be in 6th itself, or in Lagna, or 8th, there will be ulcers, or bruises on the body. The RÄÅ›i, becoming 6th House, will lead to the knowledge of the concerned limb.

Ch. 19. Effects of 8th House

2. Short Life. Should 8ths Lord join Lagnas Lord, or a malefic and be in 8th itself, the native will be short lived.

Ch. 24. Effects of the House Lords

1.Effects of Lagnas Lord in Various Houses

If Lagnas Lord is in 6th House and related to a malefic the native will be devoid of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there is no benefic Aspect.

If Lagnas Lord is in 8th House, the native will be an accomplished scholar, be sickly, thievish, be given to much anger, be a gambler and will join others wives

61. Effects of 6ths Lord in Various Houses

If 6ths Lord is in 1st House, the native will be sickly, famous, inimical to his own men, rich, honourable, adventurous and virtuous.

85. Effects of 8ths Lord in Various Houses

If 8ths Lord is in 1st House, the native will be devoid of physical felicity and will suffer from wounds. He will be hostile to gods and Brahmins.

Satya Jataka

The sixth house signifies diseases, troubles from enemies, worries, injuries, litigation, sorrows, maternal uncle, injuries, armies, mental worries and legal involvements.

The eighth house signifies longevity, misfortunes, sins, debts, enmity, death, difficulties, impediments, grief and unhappiness resulting from sins committed in previous births, sudden and untimely death and enemies

Mars: He represents thick red colour, fire, bricks, power, thorny trees, wild animals, mosquitoes, bugs, sheep, bones, brothers, lands, houses, anger, war, instruments, thieves, marrow of the bone, bitter taste, energy, prowess, sin, wounds, battles, enemies, daring acts, cruelty and torture, roaming in forests, bronze, golden waist-string, pomp and show and a house on fire.

Saturn: indicates evil nature, cunningness, impediments, wickedness, servants, mean acts, thieves, old dilapidated houses, bitter fruits, forests, fruits with thick skin, wild flowers, trees full of thorns, bamboos, palmyra trees, margosa trees and wild animals.

Daivagyna Vallabha

Ill health, bad state, enemies, servants, cruel deeds, heavy actions, witchcraft applied by enemies with an intention of killing enemies, doubts, wars, uncle, buffaloes, diseases, etc. are to be considered from the sixth house.

Longevity and enmity, death, ruling powers, strife, quarrels, cleft, quarrels among relatives, hatred, places difficult to approach, fort, destruction of wife and enemies, crossing of rivers etc. are to be seen from the eighth house.

In most of the above quotes, sins and similar weaknesses have been associated with 8 th house.

Furthermore, Sixth house is part of Artha Trikona â€“ would not a Rajasic planet be a better significator?

Regards,

- Shailesh

On 17 Apr 2007 00:45:42 -0700, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:

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Dear Shailesh, NamaskarI checked BPHS and found the translation in line with what you have said. However when analyzing the sanskrit something becomes very prevailent.--sixth house--mÄtulÄntakaÅ›aá¹kÄnÄá¹ Å›atrÅ«á¹Å›caiva vraá¹‡ÄdikÄn| sapalnÄ«mÄtaraá¹ cÄpi á¹£aá¹£á¹habhÄvÄnnirÄ«ká¹£yet||7||

Here the word 'shatru' has been used to indicate the enemies which leaves no doubt that the reference is to enemies.

--eighth house--ÄyÅ« raá¹‡a ripuá¸¥ cÄpi durgaá¹ mï…—tadhanaá¹ tathÄ|gatyanukÄdikaá¹ sarvaá¹ paÅ›yedraá¹dhrÄdvicaká¹£aá¹‡aá¸¥||

Here Sharma has translated 'ripu' as 'enemies' which is only PARTLY correct. Here are the possible options from Monier Williams: mfn. deceitful , treacherous , false RV. m. a deceiver , cheat , rogue ib. an enemy , adversary , foe Mn. MBh. & c.

As you can see this does not specifically indicate enemy, but rather anyone who can deceive you or USE your weaknesses.

Further Sharma does comment that in the Bombay edition of BPHS this sloka doesn't mention enemies at all. Btw. most scripts accept the word 'ripu' as a well known indicator of the sixth house. Parasara has just further shown that this can also be seen in the eighth house which is fine.

o Reg. Mars vs. Saturn for the sixth house karakatva oSatyacharya also mentions Saturn whilst Parasara mentions Mars. The question is do we accept that the sixth house shows our internal weaknesses (saturn) and because of these the various problems in life arise. Or do we accept that the sixth house shows our external enemies (Mars)?

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

Shailesh Chandra Chadha wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Namaste Visti,

Your explanation, of equating 6th house to shad-ripus is not in line with the jyotish principles.

Shad-ripus are six enemies - the enemies within. - or weaknesses

Weakness, and even enmity, is indicated by 8th bhava, not 6th.

As per BPHS:

Indications of Ari Bhava. Maternal uncle, doubts about death, enemies, ulcers, step-mother etc. are to be estimated from Ari Bhava.

Indications of Randhr Bhava. Randhr Bhava indicates longevity, battle, enemies, forts, wealth of the dead and things, that have happened and are to happen (in the past and future births).

Therefore, you are correct is associating Saturn with Shad-ripus, and weaknesses, but do not assign the 6th bhava karakatwa to Saturn.

BPHS assigns it to Mars and we have no reason, or any logical explanation to go against it.

Regards,

- Shailesh

, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:>> ??? ??? ??????> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar> I have just come home from Serbia and saw your mail.> > Some words from the Serbian Orthodox priests have been repeating > themselves in my mind. The greatest sign of strength is not in winning > great battles but in overcoming our own weaknesses. And these weaknesses > are those which compell us to incur sin. The main cause of all the > battles, addictions, and other weaknesses arising from the sixth house > is ripu or sin. There are six sins: Kaama, Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Madha > and Matsyara.> > A good excercise is to look them up and asign one among the six rajasic > and tamasic planets to these.> > To overcome these the Orthodox church advises two necessary paths or > wings to 'fly' to God: 1) Fasting and 2) praying. The weapon/sword of > prayer is the /brianica/ or rosary and is a vital part of the persons > progression away from the sixth house. So also the 5th house (prayer) > and 12th house (fasting) are the houses of loss (12th) and death/maraka > (7th) from the sixth house of sin.> > The main cause of sin is SATURN, and for this reason the main karaka for > the sixth is Saturn. The sub-karakas are dependant on the type of sin. > Mars causes krodha or anger, and as a result of anger coming from others > or the native themself the native gets into battles, courtcases, fights, > etc... all this is Mars. Its a separate issue that these problems may > arise or be instigated by the other sins such as lobha (greed) or kaama > (lust). But, they are all sins.> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark> email: visti <visti@ ...> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > < http://srigaruda.com>> > Tarun wrote:> >> > Dear sir,> >> > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too.> > 6th house is the house of satya. > > because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it is> > not always correct> > so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn.> > if person has to fight in battle then mars > > if he needs to be courageous then sun> > if he needs mind to win the disputes> >> > so on...> >> > Please correct me where i went wrong.> >> > Regards > >> > Tarun> >> > > > < %40>, "~Tarun~" tarun.virgo@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear sir,> > >> > > Karak for sixth house depends on condition of the native too. > > > 6th house is the house of satya.> > > because if we only think the SURVIVAL of FITTEST theory ...it is> > not always correct> > > so in my view if person has to go to courts then saturn. > > > if person has to fight in battle then mars> > > if he needs to be courageous then sun> > > if he needs mind to win the disputes> > >> > > so on...> > >> > > Tarun correct me where i went wrong.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Tarun> > >> > >> > > - > > > kishore patnaik> > > vedic astrology > > < vedic astrology%40> ;> > > > < %40> ;> > Astro_Remedies > > < Astro_Remedies%40> ; > > < %40> ;> > lalkitab < lalkitab%40> ; > > naastrology < naastrology%40> ; SJC-> > Africa < Africa%40> ; > > < %40> ;> > sohamsa < sohamsa%40> ; > > Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad > > < Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad%40>> > > Monday, April 16, 2007 10:57 PM> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Karaka for sixth house> > >> > >> > > dear all,> > >> > > there was an interesting topic going on right now in varaha> > mihira group Many of us are not members in this group and hence,> > for their benefit, I have copied and pasted all the messages into a > > word document and am enclosing it here.> > >> > > I am sure the members will start an interesting thread on this> > topic in this group.> > >> > > Members of Varaha mihira group may kindly cross check if i have > > missed on any message in this thread.> > >> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > kishore patnaik> > >> >> >>

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April 19, 2007

hare rama krsna

Dear Michal,

One use of this was just given:

Â Â Â Karaka is to see how to cure the curse in the sixth bhava when the

lord and karaka are badly placed, pointing the right remedy is like

giving the right medicine.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Guru

www.rohinaa.com

(+48) 503 44 18 18

Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a):

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]

Dear Visti,

Finally!

Btw. how do you seek to use this knowledge of the main-karaka?

You have made the point I was

waiting for someone to raise.Â Why all this bickering over which Graha

is the MAIN Karaka of the 6th house.Â Even if Parasara himself came

down here to tell us none of us would know what to do with it!

I remember Sanjay saying "Controversies are needless when you use

concepts...Â knowing when to use what"

Respectfully,

Michal

[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

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Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>

Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:37:25 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Karaka for sixth house

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Dear Shailesh, Namaskar

Just to clarify: The event of Sanjayji teaching that Saturn is the

main-karaka of the sixth house is not one isolated to Serbia. When i

travelled with him throughout 2002-2005 he has always maintained this

in the discussions reg. karaka. It had become such an ingrain part of

jyotish for me that i taught the same to others as well. It was almost

as a given.

Rafal trust the tradition, which is good but we must all ask: Why

is

the tradition right? and thereby question and make our foundation

stronger. I guess for Rafal this discussion is just to trivial.

Btw. how do you seek to use this knowledge of the main-karaka?

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com

Shailesh C Chadha wrote:

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Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Namaste Rafal,

I think no useful purpose is going to be served by going

through the classics.

You have very clearly expressed your total disregard for

the

sastras when you replied to Upenrda saying:

<< I repeat once again, there

is

(1) sastra and (2) parampara. Being in SJC means that You accept the

teachings of the tradition. If thats the teaching of the tradition it

must be accepted and THEN you must change Your perspective and with

this new vision look at sastra's or seek the explanation and discuss

these points. If You do the opposite then its not the parampara anymore

as then the hierarchy id disturbed. If Sanjayji says its Sani, then

what I can do with my understanding of sanksrit, classics and all that

- that demands a real study which can take Your ten years, I put

weightage to my time and the Guru gives shortcuts in our way to Jyotish

which normally takes few lifetimes. Of course there are some people

which question Sanjayji words and follow own opinion, thats their way

of understanding.>>

And let me make it clear - you have no respect for Sanjay

ji's words either. Sarbani, and others,Â have given extensive quotes in

the past from COVA and various papers of Sanjay ji where he has clearly

mentioned as MarsÂ to beÂ the Karaka for 6th house.Â

But, unfortunately, you are fixated on what you and Visti

say was mentioned by Sanjay ji in Serbia. At that point of time, you

and Visti diverted the discussion to Shad-ripus.

Then, when I produced qoutes and arguments to show that

shad-ripus are in the domain of 8th house, you say that you are not

interested in shad-ripus.

What exactly do you want to prove?

Are you aware that Parampara and Guru are to take one to

the

path of truth, not to negate the truth. Where sastras are silent,

Parampara and Guru are paramount. But where Sastras are clear and

specific, no Parampara or Guru can, or should, go against it. In such a

case, if it cannot be proved that the sastras are corrupted, one may

have to conlude that the teachings of such a Guru or Parampara are

flawed.

Can any one in these lists doubt the sincerety of Narsimha

Rao to SJC. Yet,Â can you recallÂ how many times he has questioned Sanjay

ji and persisted till he received the correct explanation?

Not that I equate my self to Narsimha but I do intend to

be

a true seeker of knowledge and truth.

In Indian traditions, that is what we are taught.

Now, it is up to you to decide whether you are a

seeker of truth or a blind-follower.

Regards,

- Shailesh

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Rafal Gendarz

To:

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Sent:

Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:18 PM

Subject:

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Karaka for sixth house

hare rama krsna

Dear Shailesh,

Yes...so to conclude we have two things to do (1) seek further in

classics (2) ask Sanjayji for explanation. .I dont have any more

arguments here.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Guru

www.rohinaa. com

(+48) 503 44 18 18

Shailesh C Chadha napisaÅ‚(a):

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|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo

Narayanaya ||

Namaste Rafal,

Lets forget the unpleasantness and take this

discussion

forward in a healthy and meaningful way.

Ultimately, we are here to learn and thats what our

focus should be.

Please also understand that I have the utmost respect

for my Guru and I am sure no true Guru will purposely teach what is

wrong. And, the highest of the Gurus have always encouraged their

shishyas to go out and seek the truth, they too accept that they are

human and are always ready to acknowledge their errors.

If Sanjay ji has changed his view-point from what he

has

mentioned in COVA and elsewhere, he should have a good reason for the

same and he has to reveal the same.

Till such time, I suggest we go with the classics. And

there are very strong reasons to do so, as I have mentioned in my mails

to Visti and Upendra has, in his latest mail.

Regards,

- Shailesh

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Rafal Gendarz

To:

@

. com

Sent:

Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:15 PM

Subject:

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Karaka for sixth house

hare rama

krsna

Dear Shailesh,

Yes, its all depends on Pranamas we accept. For our logic the anumana

is important and for our faith the sabda element is important, I

recognized that You respect the logic in the big way. I do the same but

in the different proportion, therefore for me it was weird that

Sanjayji words are not final. Therefore there is bigÂ benefit to Your

discusion with sanskrit terms, philosophy of enemies vs flaws and all

that, but if we dont accept authority of Guru then I dont see the

difference between parampara and open forums in the western world where

the hierarchy of pranama is completely different. Dont take me as

blindsided, dogmatic - its simply the issue of proportion.I had no

intention to put bad emotion or low standart of discussion so forgive

me any bad usage of words.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Guru

www.rohinaa. com

(+48) 503 44 18 18

Shailesh C Chadha napisaÅ‚(a):

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|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||

Â

Namaste Rafal,

Agreed to all your points - except:

- It is wrong to say I cannot take agruements; I

am

open to all reasonable and logical agruments.

- In case of a contradiction between BPHS and

Prasna

Marga(or any other classic), we HAVE to accept BPHS as the ultimate

authority; else ourÂ entire Jyotish teachings will collapse.Â

Regards,

- Shailesh

-

Rafal Gendarz

@ .

com

Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:29 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Karaka for

sixth house

hare rama krsna

Dear Shailesh,

Its sad that You cant take this arguments as they sounds nice and

reasonable. So the problem is somewhere else..

Sanjayji in the lecture about diseases takes the division on diseases

from Prasna Marga and uses this in Natal. In the same place we do with

Badhak and other things. In Pransa Marga are many things which are

general in nature - like marriages (also in natal), ashtakavarga,

remedies, division of madness etc.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Guru

www.rohinaa.

com

(+48) 503 44 18 18

Shailesh C Chadha napisaÅ‚(a):

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|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya

||

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Namaste Visti,

Let me start by saying that I am saddened

with

your response.

I do not expect a SJC guru to brush-off some

very relevant quotes from classics as mere statistics.

If that was to be so, then why do we study

them?

Is it only for the purpose of selectively

quoting from them when it suits our line of argument and dismiss the

contrary as irrelevant or unreliable?

I am sorry but that is not the way any

healthy

discussion can be carried out - it just shows "assumed" intellectual

arrogance and it is the first step towards decline in learning.

And, to me the bottomline is that BPHS is

the

supreme jyotish fointain-head; every thing else is a commentary or a

learning-aid.Â

Unless logically proved other-wise, no

dictum

or parampara or Guru can over-ride BPHS teachings.

I do not have to remind you that " Sri

Jagannath Center (SJC) was established in India with the objective of

teaching jyotish in the tradition of maharishis like Parasara and

Jaimini. "

Incidentally, neither you, nor

Rafal has offered any logical agrument to contradict what I have

quoted.

Prasna Marga isÂ just that - applicable

only on Prasna - so please do notÂ use it for natal charts.

Regards,

- Shailesh

-

Visti

Larsen

@ .

com

Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:25 PM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Karaka

for sixth house