Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Dear RKji, u always make me laugh. at first i thought i won't bite the bait. but then it was tooooo tempting. Regarding the first topic. i'll share with u why i am so taken up with Ashwa medha and its multilayered meanings: Brihad-arnyaka upanishad, first adhyaya, first Brahmana - the world as a sacrificial horse- " Om,Verily, the dawn is the head of the sacrificial horse; the sun his eye; the wind, his breath; universal fire his open mouth. The year is the body of the sacrificial horse, the sky his back, the atmosphere his belly; the earth the under part of his belly; the quarters his flanks; the intermediate quartes,his ribs; the seasons his limbs; the months and half-months his joints; days and nights his feet; the stars his bones; the clouds his flesh. The sandis the food in his stomach; the rivers are his entrails. His liver and lungs are the mountains; plants and trees, his hair. The orient is his fore part; the occident his hind part. When he yawns, then it lightens. When he shaks himself, then it thunders. When he urinates, then it rains. Voice indeed is his voice. " Now, what to say? if u let the imagination run there is a beautiful division of time and space described thru the horse. Astrologically, if u are so inclined, the head of the horse is the ascendant...(in any case the zodiac begins with Ashwin NAkshatra...but that is carrying things a bit too far) All thru this Upanishad, sacrifice is much more than how many of us understand it. But like the Rorchak inkblot each one will have his or her own interpretation and no two will tally. Add to that the multilayerd meaning of sanskrit words and the interpretation becomes even more rich and exciting. As for the second bait - i shall keep u guessing about what kind of sadhana i pursue. u are free to use your imagination. :) , " arkaydash " <arkaydash wrote: > > > ONE > When we come across (the phrase) horse sacrifice in our ancient texts, > we are supposed not merely to take them metaphorically (or > symbolically) but also literally. It has become a fad of sorts in our > times to look for pure abstractions and see everything intriguing or > siginficant as mere representation. Nothing can be farther from the > perspective that makes possible a total understanding of the praxis of > the yore -- that of ritualism, from which such dichotomy idly takes > away. > > TWO > Even the so-called non-sadhana must be -- I repeat non-sadhana, > somehting I and (most of) you can better relate to, with our fun and > flights of imagination -- an effort. > > Let me crack the non-existent oxymoron. > > Supposing Vinita is a rock, with water (of life) gurgling by her. She > is in sadhana mode. She choose not to flow the way the generality of > others do. Scenario two. She ain't no rock, is part of the river (or > better still a river). She is flowing, yet she can be in sadhana mode. > Howz that? > > When a rock, she's in one of the esoteric paths, with varying degree of > esotericness and exclivisity. In scenario two, ie so-called non- > sadhana, she's in one of the exoteric paths. > > It'd be fun for forum to know which one she's tried, if she has. > Because ...we too dont know... > > RK > > PS: Sadhana and non-sadhana are not to be parsed into rock and river. > They are what they are, thanks to resolve (sometimes consecration) and > absence (or a lack) thereof. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Dear Vinita ji, We can find similar description for Purusha and Vrishabha as well. In such vedic verses, Aswa, Purusha, Vrishabha etc becomes the representative of the Universe itself. (Or atleast the sky-globe itself). A similar line of symbolic interpretation is possible for Siva, Ganapati, Vishnu, Brahma etc as well. The words Gov (Rays - cow), Agni, Prajapati etc can also stire our imagination and provide new insights. If you are thinking in those lines then I am not at all against sacrifice. I would love to feel one with them and the world. Even if you are not thinking in those lines – then also I am not against (animal) sacrifice!! But I will feel companionate for their ignorance. Note: It all depends on the conciseness of the individual who looks at things. It the consciousness is good then it will come up with higher ideas that are in par with and is acceptable as per his consciousness. But if consciousness is weak (rather unconscious mind) will come up with feeble notions that in no way help to individual to rise, and shed the light of inner sun. The Vedic concept of sacrifice is great, but when interpreted as animal sacrifice as per sayana - it losses all the merits and becomes a cruelty. That is why, it is consciousness of the individual who looks at subject more important rather than the subject itself. Love, Sreenadh , " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear RKji, > > u always make me laugh. at first i thought i won't bite the bait. but > then it was tooooo tempting. > > Regarding the first topic. i'll share with u why i am so taken up > with Ashwa medha and its multilayered meanings: > > Brihad-arnyaka upanishad, first adhyaya, first Brahmana - the world > as a sacrificial horse- > > " Om,Verily, the dawn is the head of the sacrificial horse; the sun > his eye; the wind, his breath; universal fire his open mouth. The > year is the body of the sacrificial horse, the sky his back, the > atmosphere his belly; the earth the under part of his belly; the > quarters his flanks; the intermediate quartes,his ribs; the seasons > his limbs; the months and half-months his joints; days and nights his > feet; the stars his bones; the clouds his flesh. The sandis the food > in his stomach; the rivers are his entrails. His liver and lungs are > the mountains; plants and trees, his hair. The orient is his fore > part; the occident his hind part. When he yawns, then it lightens. > When he shaks himself, then it thunders. When he urinates, then it > rains. Voice indeed is his voice. " > > Now, what to say? if u let the imagination run there is a beautiful > division of time and space described thru the horse. Astrologically, > if u are so inclined, the head of the horse is the ascendant...(in > any case the zodiac begins with Ashwin NAkshatra...but that is > carrying things a bit too far) > > All thru this Upanishad, sacrifice is much more than how many of us > understand it. > > But like the Rorchak inkblot each one will have his or her own > interpretation and no two will tally. Add to that the multilayerd > meaning of sanskrit words and the interpretation becomes even more > rich and exciting. > > > As for the second bait - i shall keep u guessing about what kind of > sadhana i pursue. u are free to use your imagination. :) , " arkaydash " > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > ONE > > When we come across (the phrase) horse sacrifice in our ancient > texts, > > we are supposed not merely to take them metaphorically (or > > symbolically) but also literally. It has become a fad of sorts in > our > > times to look for pure abstractions and see everything intriguing > or > > siginficant as mere representation. Nothing can be farther from the > > perspective that makes possible a total understanding of the praxis > of > > the yore -- that of ritualism, from which such dichotomy idly takes > > away. > > > > TWO > > Even the so-called non-sadhana must be -- I repeat non-sadhana, > > somehting I and (most of) you can better relate to, with our fun > and > > flights of imagination -- an effort. > > > > Let me crack the non-existent oxymoron. > > > > Supposing Vinita is a rock, with water (of life) gurgling by her. > She > > is in sadhana mode. She choose not to flow the way the generality > of > > others do. Scenario two. She ain't no rock, is part of the river > (or > > better still a river). She is flowing, yet she can be in sadhana > mode. > > Howz that? > > > > When a rock, she's in one of the esoteric paths, with varying > degree of > > esotericness and exclivisity. In scenario two, ie so-called non- > > sadhana, she's in one of the exoteric paths. > > > > It'd be fun for forum to know which one she's tried, if she has. > > Because ...we too dont know... > > > > RK > > > > PS: Sadhana and non-sadhana are not to be parsed into rock and > river. > > They are what they are, thanks to resolve (sometimes consecration) > and > > absence (or a lack) thereof. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, I agree with u. But do u think that in the Vedas and the Upanishads they would be talking of sacrifice in the carnal/physical sense? Of course interpretation of the meaning of the Vedas /upanishads to suit a set of people and to exploit the unconsciousness of others was another story with which everyone is familiar. As u said, everything depends upon consciousness... MAybe your story of fishing in the bucket has led to all this conciousness. ;) We will not be using the bait otherwise... Love, Vinita , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > We can find similar description for Purusha and Vrishabha as well. In > such vedic verses, Aswa, Purusha, Vrishabha etc becomes the > representative of the Universe itself. (Or atleast the sky-globe itself). > A similar line of symbolic interpretation is possible for Siva, > Ganapati, Vishnu, Brahma etc as well. > The words Gov (Rays - cow), Agni, Prajapati etc can also stire our > imagination and provide new insights. > If you are thinking in those lines then I am not at all against > sacrifice. I would love to feel one with them and the world. > Even if you are not thinking in those lines – then also I am not > against (animal) sacrifice!! But I will feel companionate for their > ignorance. > Note: It all depends on the conciseness of the individual who looks at > things. It the consciousness is good then it will come up with higher > ideas that are in par with and is acceptable as per his consciousness. > But if consciousness is weak (rather unconscious mind) will come up > with feeble notions that in no way help to individual to rise, and > shed the light of inner sun. The Vedic concept of sacrifice is great, > but when interpreted as animal sacrifice as per sayana - it losses all > the merits and becomes a cruelty. That is why, it is consciousness of > the individual who looks at subject more important rather than the > subject itself. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " vinita kumar " > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > Dear RKji, > > > > u always make me laugh. at first i thought i won't bite the bait. but > > then it was tooooo tempting. > > > > Regarding the first topic. i'll share with u why i am so taken up > > with Ashwa medha and its multilayered meanings: > > > > Brihad-arnyaka upanishad, first adhyaya, first Brahmana - the world > > as a sacrificial horse- > > > > " Om,Verily, the dawn is the head of the sacrificial horse; the sun > > his eye; the wind, his breath; universal fire his open mouth. The > > year is the body of the sacrificial horse, the sky his back, the > > atmosphere his belly; the earth the under part of his belly; the > > quarters his flanks; the intermediate quartes,his ribs; the seasons > > his limbs; the months and half-months his joints; days and nights his > > feet; the stars his bones; the clouds his flesh. The sandis the food > > in his stomach; the rivers are his entrails. His liver and lungs are > > the mountains; plants and trees, his hair. The orient is his fore > > part; the occident his hind part. When he yawns, then it lightens. > > When he shaks himself, then it thunders. When he urinates, then it > > rains. Voice indeed is his voice. " > > > > Now, what to say? if u let the imagination run there is a beautiful > > division of time and space described thru the horse. Astrologically, > > if u are so inclined, the head of the horse is the ascendant... (in > > any case the zodiac begins with Ashwin NAkshatra...but that is > > carrying things a bit too far) > > > > All thru this Upanishad, sacrifice is much more than how many of us > > understand it. > > > > But like the Rorchak inkblot each one will have his or her own > > interpretation and no two will tally. Add to that the multilayerd > > meaning of sanskrit words and the interpretation becomes even more > > rich and exciting. > > > > > > As for the second bait - i shall keep u guessing about what kind of > > sadhana i pursue. u are free to use your imagination. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " arkaydash " > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ONE > > > When we come across (the phrase) horse sacrifice in our ancient > > texts, > > > we are supposed not merely to take them metaphorically (or > > > symbolically) but also literally. It has become a fad of sorts in > > our > > > times to look for pure abstractions and see everything intriguing > > or > > > siginficant as mere representation. Nothing can be farther from the > > > perspective that makes possible a total understanding of the praxis > > of > > > the yore -- that of ritualism, from which such dichotomy idly takes > > > away. > > > > > > TWO > > > Even the so-called non-sadhana must be -- I repeat non- sadhana, > > > somehting I and (most of) you can better relate to, with our fun > > and > > > flights of imagination -- an effort. > > > > > > Let me crack the non-existent oxymoron. > > > > > > Supposing Vinita is a rock, with water (of life) gurgling by her. > > She > > > is in sadhana mode. She choose not to flow the way the generality > > of > > > others do. Scenario two. She ain't no rock, is part of the river > > (or > > > better still a river). She is flowing, yet she can be in sadhana > > mode. > > > Howz that? > > > > > > When a rock, she's in one of the esoteric paths, with varying > > degree of > > > esotericness and exclivisity. In scenario two, ie so-called non- > > > sadhana, she's in one of the exoteric paths. > > > > > > It'd be fun for forum to know which one she's tried, if she has. > > > Because ...we too dont know... > > > > > > RK > > > > > > PS: Sadhana and non-sadhana are not to be parsed into rock and > > river. > > > They are what they are, thanks to resolve (sometimes consecration) > > and > > > absence (or a lack) thereof. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Dear Sree, Vinita, The (vedic and epic) age(s) was a different age. The carnal and the mental act were a continuum. They always are, and, in the context of ritual, could still be but for the fact of our lacking a unified sensibility. We have come to think that only mental act is business of counsciousness. Our zeitgeist sufferes from a dissociated sensibility. Bite and the bait are one, Vinita. What say? This is laughably serious, not because you love oxymoron. Give me more bites for imagination, but watch the length -- I am scared of Sreenadh's length as I am suspicious of your breadth -- and see the flight. And allow me to lighten your ponderous enlightenment by being the forum jester. Don't laugh at this one. RK vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Sreenadh,I agree with u.But do u think that in the Vedas and the Upanishads they would be talking of sacrifice in the carnal/physical sense?Of course interpretation of the meaning of the Vedas /upanishads to suit a set of people and to exploit the unconsciousness of others was another story with which everyone is familiar.As u said, everything depends upon consciousness...MAybe your story of fishing in the bucket has led to all this conciousness. ;);)We will not be using the bait otherwise...Love,Vinita , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Vinita ji,> We can find similar description for Purusha and Vrishabha as well. In> such vedic verses, Aswa, Purusha, Vrishabha etc becomes the> representative of the Universe itself. (Or atleast the sky-globe itself).> A similar line of symbolic interpretation is possible for Siva,> Ganapati, Vishnu, Brahma etc as well. > The words Gov (Rays - cow), Agni, Prajapati etc can also stire our> imagination and provide new insights.> If you are thinking in those lines then I am not at all against> sacrifice. I would love to feel one with them and the world. > Even if you are not thinking in those lines – then also I am not> against (animal) sacrifice!! But I will feel companionate for their> ignorance. > Note: It all depends on the conciseness of the individual who looks at> things. It the consciousness is good then it will come up with higher> ideas that are in par with and is acceptable as per his consciousness.> But if consciousness is weak (rather unconscious mind) will come up> with feeble notions that in no way help to individual to rise, and> shed the light of inner sun. The Vedic concept of sacrifice is great,> but when interpreted as animal sacrifice as per sayana - it losses all> the merits and becomes a cruelty. That is why, it is consciousness of> the individual who looks at subject more important rather than the> subject itself.> Love,> Sreenadh> > , "vinita kumar"> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> >> > Dear RKji,> > > > u always make me laugh. at first i thought i won't bite the bait. but > > then it was tooooo tempting.> > > > Regarding the first topic. i'll share with u why i am so taken up > > with Ashwa medha and its multilayered meanings:> > > > Brihad-arnyaka upanishad, first adhyaya, first Brahmana - the world > > as a sacrificial horse-> > > > "Om,Verily, the dawn is the head of the sacrificial horse; the sun > > his eye; the wind, his breath; universal fire his open mouth. The > > year is the body of the sacrificial horse, the sky his back, the > > atmosphere his belly; the earth the under part of his belly; the > > quarters his flanks; the intermediate quartes,his ribs; the seasons > > his limbs; the months and half-months his joints; days and nights his > > feet; the stars his bones; the clouds his flesh. The sandis the food > > in his stomach; the rivers are his entrails. His liver and lungs are > > the mountains; plants and trees, his hair. The orient is his fore > > part; the occident his hind part. When he yawns, then it lightens. > > When he shaks himself, then it thunders. When he urinates, then it > > rains. Voice indeed is his voice."> > > > Now, what to say? if u let the imagination run there is a beautiful > > division of time and space described thru the horse. Astrologically, > > if u are so inclined, the head of the horse is the ascendant...(in > > any case the zodiac begins with Ashwin NAkshatra...but that is > > carrying things a bit too far)> > > > All thru this Upanishad, sacrifice is much more than how many of us > > understand it. > > > > But like the Rorchak inkblot each one will have his or her own > > interpretation and no two will tally. Add to that the multilayerd > > meaning of sanskrit words and the interpretation becomes even more > > rich and exciting.> > > > > > As for the second bait - i shall keep u guessing about what kind of > > sadhana i pursue. u are free to use your imagination. :)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "arkaydash" > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > ONE> > > When we come across (the phrase) horse sacrifice in our ancient > > texts, > > > we are supposed not merely to take them metaphorically (or > > > symbolically) but also literally. It has become a fad of sorts in > > our > > > times to look for pure abstractions and see everything intriguing > > or > > > siginficant as mere representation. Nothing can be farther from the > > > perspective that makes possible a total understanding of the praxis > > of > > > the yore -- that of ritualism, from which such dichotomy idly takes > > > away.> > > > > > TWO> > > Even the so-called non-sadhana must be -- I repeat non-sadhana, > > > somehting I and (most of) you can better relate to, with our fun > > and > > > flights of imagination -- an effort. > > > > > > Let me crack the non-existent oxymoron.> > > > > > Supposing Vinita is a rock, with water (of life) gurgling by her. > > She > > > is in sadhana mode. She choose not to flow the way the generality > > of > > > others do. Scenario two. She ain't no rock, is part of the river > > (or > > > better still a river). She is flowing, yet she can be in sadhana > > mode. > > > Howz that?> > > > > > When a rock, she's in one of the esoteric paths, with varying > > degree of > > > esotericness and exclivisity. In scenario two, ie so-called non-> > > sadhana, she's in one of the exoteric paths. > > > > > > It'd be fun for forum to know which one she's tried, if she has. > > > Because ...we too dont know... > > > > > > RK> > > > > > PS: Sadhana and non-sadhana are not to be parsed into rock and > > river. > > > They are what they are, thanks to resolve (sometimes consecration) > > and > > > absence (or a lack) thereof.> > >> >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 But laugh i will Like the fool on the hill When after the wait You bite the bait And then wisely state The bait is the bite And the bite is the bait. , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Dear Sree, Vinita, > The (vedic and epic) age(s) was a different age. The carnal and the mental act were a continuum. They always are, and, in the context of ritual, could still be but for the fact of our lacking a unified sensibility. We have come to think that only mental act is business of counsciousness. Our zeitgeist sufferes from a dissociated sensibility. > > Bite and the bait are one, Vinita. What say? This is laughably serious, not because you love oxymoron. Give me more bites for imagination, but watch the length -- I am scared of Sreenadh's length as I am suspicious of your breadth -- and see the flight. And allow me to lighten your ponderous enlightenment by being the forum jester. Don't laugh at this one. > > RK > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > Dear Sreenadh, > > I agree with u. > But do u think that in the Vedas and the Upanishads they would be > talking of sacrifice in the carnal/physical sense? > > Of course interpretation of the meaning of the Vedas /upanishads to > suit a set of people and to exploit the unconsciousness of others > was another story with which everyone is familiar. > > As u said, everything depends upon consciousness... > > MAybe your story of fishing in the bucket has led to all this > conciousness. ;) > > We will not be using the bait otherwise... > > Love, > Vinita > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > We can find similar description for Purusha and Vrishabha as > well. In > > such vedic verses, Aswa, Purusha, Vrishabha etc becomes the > > representative of the Universe itself. (Or atleast the sky-globe > itself). > > A similar line of symbolic interpretation is possible for Siva, > > Ganapati, Vishnu, Brahma etc as well. > > The words Gov (Rays - cow), Agni, Prajapati etc can also stire our > > imagination and provide new insights. > > If you are thinking in those lines then I am not at all against > > sacrifice. I would love to feel one with them and the world. > > Even if you are not thinking in those lines – then also I am not > > against (animal) sacrifice!! But I will feel companionate for their > > ignorance. > > Note: It all depends on the conciseness of the individual who > looks at > > things. It the consciousness is good then it will come up with > higher > > ideas that are in par with and is acceptable as per his > consciousness. > > But if consciousness is weak (rather unconscious mind) will come up > > with feeble notions that in no way help to individual to rise, and > > shed the light of inner sun. The Vedic concept of sacrifice is > great, > > but when interpreted as animal sacrifice as per sayana - it losses > all > > the merits and becomes a cruelty. That is why, it is consciousness > of > > the individual who looks at subject more important rather than the > > subject itself. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " vinita kumar " > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RKji, > > > > > > u always make me laugh. at first i thought i won't bite the > bait. but > > > then it was tooooo tempting. > > > > > > Regarding the first topic. i'll share with u why i am so taken > up > > > with Ashwa medha and its multilayered meanings: > > > > > > Brihad-arnyaka upanishad, first adhyaya, first Brahmana - the > world > > > as a sacrificial horse- > > > > > > " Om,Verily, the dawn is the head of the sacrificial horse; the > sun > > > his eye; the wind, his breath; universal fire his open mouth. > The > > > year is the body of the sacrificial horse, the sky his back, the > > > atmosphere his belly; the earth the under part of his belly; the > > > quarters his flanks; the intermediate quartes,his ribs; the > seasons > > > his limbs; the months and half-months his joints; days and > nights his > > > feet; the stars his bones; the clouds his flesh. The sandis the > food > > > in his stomach; the rivers are his entrails. His liver and lungs > are > > > the mountains; plants and trees, his hair. The orient is his > fore > > > part; the occident his hind part. When he yawns, then it > lightens. > > > When he shaks himself, then it thunders. When he urinates, then > it > > > rains. Voice indeed is his voice. " > > > > > > Now, what to say? if u let the imagination run there is a > beautiful > > > division of time and space described thru the horse. > Astrologically, > > > if u are so inclined, the head of the horse is the ascendant... > (in > > > any case the zodiac begins with Ashwin NAkshatra...but that is > > > carrying things a bit too far) > > > > > > All thru this Upanishad, sacrifice is much more than how many of > us > > > understand it. > > > > > > But like the Rorchak inkblot each one will have his or her own > > > interpretation and no two will tally. Add to that the > multilayerd > > > meaning of sanskrit words and the interpretation becomes even > more > > > rich and exciting. > > > > > > > > > As for the second bait - i shall keep u guessing about what kind > of > > > sadhana i pursue. u are free to use your imagination. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " arkaydash " > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ONE > > > > When we come across (the phrase) horse sacrifice in our > ancient > > > texts, > > > > we are supposed not merely to take them metaphorically (or > > > > symbolically) but also literally. It has become a fad of sorts > in > > > our > > > > times to look for pure abstractions and see everything > intriguing > > > or > > > > siginficant as mere representation. Nothing can be farther > from the > > > > perspective that makes possible a total understanding of the > praxis > > > of > > > > the yore -- that of ritualism, from which such dichotomy idly > takes > > > > away. > > > > > > > > TWO > > > > Even the so-called non-sadhana must be -- I repeat non- > sadhana, > > > > somehting I and (most of) you can better relate to, with our > fun > > > and > > > > flights of imagination -- an effort. > > > > > > > > Let me crack the non-existent oxymoron. > > > > > > > > Supposing Vinita is a rock, with water (of life) gurgling by > her. > > > She > > > > is in sadhana mode. She choose not to flow the way the > generality > > > of > > > > others do. Scenario two. She ain't no rock, is part of the > river > > > (or > > > > better still a river). She is flowing, yet she can be in > sadhana > > > mode. > > > > Howz that? > > > > > > > > When a rock, she's in one of the esoteric paths, with varying > > > degree of > > > > esotericness and exclivisity. In scenario two, ie so-called > non- > > > > sadhana, she's in one of the exoteric paths. > > > > > > > > It'd be fun for forum to know which one she's tried, if she > has. > > > > Because ...we too dont know... > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > PS: Sadhana and non-sadhana are not to be parsed into rock and > > > river. > > > > They are what they are, thanks to resolve (sometimes > consecration) > > > and > > > > absence (or a lack) thereof. > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Yeh, found your -- a wise fool's -- medley toothsome. Good bite. Let's look at the sky (and the stars) in the course of our flight. vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: But laugh i willLike the fool on the hillWhen after the waitYou bite the baitAnd then wisely stateThe bait is the biteAnd the bite is the bait. , rk dash <arkaydash wrote:>> Dear Sree, Vinita,> The (vedic and epic) age(s) was a different age. The carnal and the mental act were a continuum. They always are, and, in the context of ritual, could still be but for the fact of our lacking a unified sensibility. We have come to think that only mental act is business of counsciousness. Our zeitgeist sufferes from a dissociated sensibility. > > Bite and the bait are one, Vinita. What say? This is laughably serious, not because you love oxymoron. Give me more bites for imagination, but watch the length -- I am scared of Sreenadh's length as I am suspicious of your breadth -- and see the flight. And allow me to lighten your ponderous enlightenment by being the forum jester. Don't laugh at this one. > > RK> vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:> Dear Sreenadh,> > I agree with u.> But do u think that in the Vedas and the Upanishads they would be > talking of sacrifice in the carnal/physical sense?> > Of course interpretation of the meaning of the Vedas /upanishads to > suit a set of people and to exploit the unconsciousness of others > was another story with which everyone is familiar.> > As u said, everything depends upon consciousness...> > MAybe your story of fishing in the bucket has led to all this > conciousness. ;)> > We will not be using the bait otherwise...> > Love,> Vinita> > , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Vinita ji,> > We can find similar description for Purusha and Vrishabha as > well. In> > such vedic verses, Aswa, Purusha, Vrishabha etc becomes the> > representative of the Universe itself. (Or atleast the sky-globe > itself).> > A similar line of symbolic interpretation is possible for Siva,> > Ganapati, Vishnu, Brahma etc as well. > > The words Gov (Rays - cow), Agni, Prajapati etc can also stire our> > imagination and provide new insights.> > If you are thinking in those lines then I am not at all against> > sacrifice. I would love to feel one with them and the world. > > Even if you are not thinking in those lines – then also I am not> > against (animal) sacrifice!! But I will feel companionate for their> > ignorance. > > Note: It all depends on the conciseness of the individual who > looks at> > things. It the consciousness is good then it will come up with > higher> > ideas that are in par with and is acceptable as per his > consciousness.> > But if consciousness is weak (rather unconscious mind) will come up> > with feeble notions that in no way help to individual to rise, and> > shed the light of inner sun. The Vedic concept of sacrifice is > great,> > but when interpreted as animal sacrifice as per sayana - it losses > all> > the merits and becomes a cruelty. That is why, it is consciousness > of> > the individual who looks at subject more important rather than the> > subject itself.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "vinita kumar"> > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear RKji,> > > > > > u always make me laugh. at first i thought i won't bite the > bait. but > > > then it was tooooo tempting.> > > > > > Regarding the first topic. i'll share with u why i am so taken > up > > > with Ashwa medha and its multilayered meanings:> > > > > > Brihad-arnyaka upanishad, first adhyaya, first Brahmana - the > world > > > as a sacrificial horse-> > > > > > "Om,Verily, the dawn is the head of the sacrificial horse; the > sun > > > his eye; the wind, his breath; universal fire his open mouth. > The > > > year is the body of the sacrificial horse, the sky his back, the > > > atmosphere his belly; the earth the under part of his belly; the > > > quarters his flanks; the intermediate quartes,his ribs; the > seasons > > > his limbs; the months and half-months his joints; days and > nights his > > > feet; the stars his bones; the clouds his flesh. The sandis the > food > > > in his stomach; the rivers are his entrails. His liver and lungs > are > > > the mountains; plants and trees, his hair. The orient is his > fore > > > part; the occident his hind part. When he yawns, then it > lightens. > > > When he shaks himself, then it thunders. When he urinates, then > it > > > rains. Voice indeed is his voice."> > > > > > Now, what to say? if u let the imagination run there is a > beautiful > > > division of time and space described thru the horse. > Astrologically, > > > if u are so inclined, the head of the horse is the ascendant...> (in > > > any case the zodiac begins with Ashwin NAkshatra...but that is > > > carrying things a bit too far)> > > > > > All thru this Upanishad, sacrifice is much more than how many of > us > > > understand it. > > > > > > But like the Rorchak inkblot each one will have his or her own > > > interpretation and no two will tally. Add to that the > multilayerd > > > meaning of sanskrit words and the interpretation becomes even > more > > > rich and exciting.> > > > > > > > > As for the second bait - i shall keep u guessing about what kind > of > > > sadhana i pursue. u are free to use your imagination. :)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "arkaydash" > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > ONE> > > > When we come across (the phrase) horse sacrifice in our > ancient > > > texts, > > > > we are supposed not merely to take them metaphorically (or > > > > symbolically) but also literally. It has become a fad of sorts > in > > > our > > > > times to look for pure abstractions and see everything > intriguing > > > or > > > > siginficant as mere representation. Nothing can be farther > from the > > > > perspective that makes possible a total understanding of the > praxis > > > of > > > > the yore -- that of ritualism, from which such dichotomy idly > takes > > > > away.> > > > > > > > TWO> > > > Even the so-called non-sadhana must be -- I repeat non-> sadhana, > > > > somehting I and (most of) you can better relate to, with our > fun > > > and > > > > flights of imagination -- an effort. > > > > > > > > Let me crack the non-existent oxymoron.> > > > > > > > Supposing Vinita is a rock, with water (of life) gurgling by > her. > > > She > > > > is in sadhana mode. She choose not to flow the way the > generality > > > of > > > > others do. Scenario two. She ain't no rock, is part of the > river > > > (or > > > > better still a river). She is flowing, yet she can be in > sadhana > > > mode. > > > > Howz that?> > > > > > > > When a rock, she's in one of the esoteric paths, with varying > > > degree of > > > > esotericness and exclivisity. In scenario two, ie so-called > non-> > > > sadhana, she's in one of the exoteric paths. > > > > > > > > It'd be fun for forum to know which one she's tried, if she > has. > > > > Because ...we too dont know... > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > PS: Sadhana and non-sadhana are not to be parsed into rock and > > > river. > > > > They are what they are, thanks to resolve (sometimes > consecration) > > > and > > > > absence (or a lack) thereof.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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