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Rk ji,

It happenes due to life circumstances. But still you were all

here, right?! So I think revival is always possible, and is so

easy.

 

Now to Astrology:-

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" Dridhadi karma treyakalameeswara kalasworoopa pradadati dehinam "

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In Dasadhyayi there is a sloka-

" Dridhadi karma treyakalameeswara kalasworoopa pradadati dehinam "

Meaning, The effect of space-time continuem on living beings can be

of 3 type -

1) Dridha = Which can not be modified

2) Dridhadridha = Which can be modified if we know about it (We

have a choice)

3) Adridha = Which may or may not happen (Jut a simple possibility)

 

This is one of the concepts that is very fundamental to Ancient

Indian Astrology. Instead of me speaking elaborately on the subject,

I quote the words of Osho, when he spoke about the same-

Note:- I have just inserted some headings in between the words of

Osho for better understanding and co-relating of the same with the

above sloka.

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============

The 3 Parts

============

" Astrology can be divided into three parts. The first part is

the core,

the essence; it is the essentials, and cannot be changed. It is the

part which is most difficult to understand. The second part is the

middle layer, in which one can make whatever changes one wants. It is

the semi-essential portion in which you can make changes if you know

how, but without knowing, no changes are possible at all. The third

part is the outermost layer which is nonessential, but about which we

are all very curious.

The first is the essence, in which no changes can be made. When it is

known, the only way is to cooperate with it. Religions have devised

astrology in order to know and decipher this essential destiny. The

semi-essential part of astrology is such that if we know about it we

can change our lives -- otherwise not.

If we do not know, then whatsoever was going to happen will happen.

If

there is knowledge, there are alternatives to choose between. There

is

a possibility of transformation if the right choice is made. The

third, nonessential part is just the periphery, the outer surface.

There is nothing essential in it; everything is circumstantial.

But we go to consult astrologers only for the nonessential things.

Someone goes and asks an astrologer when he will get employment --

there is no relationship between your employment and the moon and

stars. Someone asks whether he will marry or not.... There can be a

society without marriage. Someone asks whether he will remain poor or

become rich.... There can be a socialist or communist society where

there will be no rich and no poor people. So these are nonessential

questions....

An eighty years old man was walking along when his foot slipped on

some orange peel thrown onto the road. Now, is it possible to inquire

of an astrologer and know from the moon and stars on which road and

on

which orange peel the foot will slip? Such queries are foolish, but

you are curious to know in advance whether your foot will land on an

orange skin and slip if you go out on the road today. This is

nonessential. This has nothing to do with your being or your soul.

These events happen on the periphery, and astrology has nothing to do

with them. But because the astrologers were busy talking only about

such things, the great establishment of astrology collapsed. This was

the only reason.

No intelligent person will be prepared to believe that when he was

born it was written by destiny that on a particular day on Marine

Drive his foot would land on some orange peel and he would fall....

Neither the falling down nor the orange peel have any relationship to

the stars. Astrology has lost respect because it became connected

with

such things. At one time or the other we all have wanted to know such

things from astrologers -- but these things are nonessential. But

there are certain semi-essential matters such as the birth or death

of

a person: if you can know everything about these, you can take

precautionary measures. If you do not know anything, you can't do

anything.

If our knowledge about the diagnosis of disease is increased, we will

be able to increase the life-span of human beings. We have been doing

it. If our research to make deadlier atom bombs succeeds, we will be

able to kill hundreds of thousands of people at a time -- we have

done

it. This semi-essential world presents a possibility for our being

able to do certain things, if we know in advance what is going to

happen. If we do not know, nothing can be done. By our knowing in

advance, alternatives can be sorted out and selected.

Beyond this, the world of the essential exists -- you cannot do

anything about it. However, our curiosity is to know only about

nonessential things. Seldom does someone reach out to know the

semi-essential. Our curiosity or desire never extends to knowing that

which is essential and unavoidable, that which cannot be changed even

if known.

================

Dridha = Essential

================

The astrology I am talking about concerns the essential, the

fundamental. At best your curiosity as far as the semi-essential. You

want to know how long you will live or whether or not you will

suddenly die. But you are not curious to know what you will do if you

live -- how you will live. You do want to know how you will die when

the time comes or what you will be doing at that time. Your curiosity

extends to events, not to the soul.

-------------------------------

The projections of the future also determine the present moments.

This

present moment could not be if there were no future moments. Only

with

the support of future moments can the present moment occur. Our hands

are resting on the shoulders of the future, our feet are on the

shoulders of our past. It is very obvious that if that which is below

me -- on which I am standing and which I can see -- slips away, I

will

fall. But if the shoulders of the future -- on which my outstretched

hands are resting -- slip away then I will also fall.

When a person finds himself connected with this inner unity of past

and future he will be able to understand astrology. Then astrology

becomes a religion, then astrology becomes spiritual.

=======================

Dridhadridha = Semi-Essential

=======================

I will tell you a very interesting story so that you may

understand.... Mohammed had a disciple named Ali. Ali once asked

Mohammed's opinion about whether a man is independent and free to do

what he wants, or whether he is bound by his destiny in everything he

does. Ali asked, " Can one do as one wants or not? " -- and man has

been asking this question for a long, long time. " If a man is not

able

to do as he desires, " Ali said, " then it is useless and foolish to

preach to him not to steal, not to tell lies, not to be dishonest. Or

is it destiny that one man should always be there to preach to others

not to steal or not to do this or that, knowing full well that it is

also destiny for a dishonest man to remain dishonest, for a thief to

remain a thief, for a murderer to remain a murderer? All this appears

absurd. If everything is predestined, all education is useless -- all

prophets, all saints and all teachers are useless. "

People have asked such questions to Mahavira and to Buddha also. If

what is going to happen is predestined, why should Mahavira or Buddha

take so much trouble to explain what is right and what is wrong? So,

Ali asked Mohammed what he thought about this controversial matter.

If

such a question was asked to Mahavira or Buddha, they would have

given

a very complicated and deep reply, but Mohammed gave a reply which

Ali

could understand. Many of Mohammed's replies were direct and

straightforward. Ordinarily, answers given by people who are

uneducated or less educated, or who are simple villagers, are direct

and frank. People like Kabir, Nanak, Mohammed and Jesus were simple

in

that way. Answers by people like Buddha, Mahavira and Krishna were

complex -- Buddha and Mahavira were the cream of a rich and highly

developed civilization. The words of Jesus were direct, like a blow

on

the head. Kabir has actually sung: " Kabir is standing in the open

market with a hammer in his hand to hit you! " If anyone came near him

he would, so to speak, break open his head to remove all the rubbish

that was lying inside.

Mohammed did not give any metaphysical reply. He asked Ali to lift

one

leg and stand on it. Ali had asked a question about whether a man is

free to do what he wants. Why should Ali stand on one leg? Mohammed

said, " First lift one leg. "

Poor Ali lifted his left leg and stood there on one leg.

Mohammed then asked him, " Now lift the right leg also. "

Ali was puzzled and asked how it was possible. Then Mohammed

said, " If

you had wanted to, you could have lifted the right leg first, but now

you cannot.... A man is always free to lift the first leg -- it can

be

whichever he wants -- but no sooner has the first been lifted when

the

other becomes bound to the earth. "

With regard to the nonessential part of life, we are always free to

lift the first leg. But once that is done it becomes a bondage for

the

essential part. We take steps that are nonessential, become

entangled,

and then we are not able to do the essential. So Mohammed said to Ali

that he had all the freedom to lift the right or the left leg first.

But once he exercised that freedom and lifted one left leg, he was

incapable of lifting the other leg. So freedom is there within

certain

limits, but beyond those limits there is bondage.

==================

Adirdha = Non-Essential

==================

Aall ordinary astrologers are asked about nonessentials. An ordinary

astrologer is

asked questions like: " Shall we win the elections or not? " How are

the

elections connected with the moon and the stars? The ordinary

astrologer who replies, " Everything is predetermined, and no changes,

not even as much as one inch, can be made, " is making a false

statement.

On the other hand there is the rationalist. He says that nothing is

connected inevitably: whatsoever happens is coincidental,

circumstantial and a matter of chance. There is no law, everything is

anarchic. He is also making a false statement.

 

==================

Back to the 3 Divisions

===================

There is a law: A rationalist is never found so full of joy and bliss

as a buddha.

The rationalist denies God, soul and religion with the help of logic,

but he can never attain the joy of Mahavira. It is definite that

Mahavira must have done something that earned him his joy, Buddha

must

have done something that liberated him, and Krishna must also have

done something which made it possible for him to give out such

distinctly unique magical notes through his flute.

The real thing is the third, which is the quintessence of everything,

which belongs to the innermost and which is absolutely predetermined.

The more one moves toward one's center, the nearer one comes to the

essential, predetermined part. As we move towards the periphery, we

move towards coincidence. The more we talk about external happenings,

the more there is coincidence. When we talk about inner phenomena,

things begin to appear scientific, as if based on a certain law, and

they become more and more decisive.

Between these two conditions -- the essential and the peripheral --

there is ample room for changes through the exercise of choice. Here,

a person of knowledge makes the correct choice, while a person who is

without knowledge, who is in the darkness of ignorance, drifts to his

destiny. In darkness, circumstance catches hold of him.

So there are three areas of life. In one area, that which is the

essential core, everything is predetermined. Knowing this is knowing

the essence of astrology. In another area, that which is peripheral,

everything is uncertain. To know this is to know the everyday

unpredictable world. There is another area which is in the middle. By

knowing this, a person can save himself from trying to do the

impossible, and can do what is possible.

 

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OK. That were the words of the Osho. Now do you want to look into

the above sloka? And want to know what else, it say? In which way

you are interested in astrology – In essential? Semi-essential? Non-

essential?

Hope to have many replays on the same.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, rk dash

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Interested? No, nobody is. Only you are. And what is your

explanation for the French leave?

> RK

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Hi All,

> Why this group becomes inactive when I am not here. Is it that no

> body is interested in astrology? Is it that you don't like this

group?

> With such good members with knowledge, this shouldn't happen to

this

> group. And will not happen I know. Come back and let us restart!

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

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Dear Sree Good to have you back. So you want to excite me. My excited desire on this forum will be to test my fundamentals in light of the views and insights of fellow members (Dr K, Shree Madhu, Sreenivas, to name a few). Put also them (all members) on notice if you want to excite me. RKSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Rk ji,It happenes due to life circumstances. But still you were all here, right?! So I think revival is always

possible, and is so easy. :)Now to Astrology:-*******************************************"Dridhadi karma treyakalameeswara kalasworoopa pradadati dehinam"*******************************************In Dasadhyayi there is a sloka-"Dridhadi karma treyakalameeswara kalasworoopa pradadati dehinam"Meaning, The effect of space-time continuem on living beings can be of 3 type - 1) Dridha = Which can not be modified2) Dridhadridha = Which can be modified if we know about it (We have a choice)3) Adridha = Which may or may not happen (Jut a simple possibility)This is one of the concepts that is very fundamental to Ancient Indian Astrology. Instead of me speaking elaborately on the subject, I quote the words of Osho, when he spoke about the same-Note:- I have just inserted some headings in between the words of Osho for better understanding and co-relating of the same

with the above sloka.********************************************************============The 3 Parts============" Astrology can be divided into three parts. The first part is the core,the essence; it is the essentials, and cannot be changed. It is thepart which is most difficult to understand. The second part is themiddle layer, in which one can make whatever changes one wants. It isthe semi-essential portion in which you can make changes if you knowhow, but without knowing, no changes are possible at all. The thirdpart is the outermost layer which is nonessential, but about which weare all very curious.The first is the essence, in which no changes can be made. When it isknown, the only way is to cooperate with it. Religions have devisedastrology in order to know and decipher this essential destiny. Thesemi-essential part of astrology is such that if we know about it wecan

change our lives -- otherwise not.If we do not know, then whatsoever was going to happen will happen. Ifthere is knowledge, there are alternatives to choose between. There isa possibility of transformation if the right choice is made. Thethird, nonessential part is just the periphery, the outer surface.There is nothing essential in it; everything is circumstantial.But we go to consult astrologers only for the nonessential things.Someone goes and asks an astrologer when he will get employment --there is no relationship between your employment and the moon andstars. Someone asks whether he will marry or not.... There can be asociety without marriage. Someone asks whether he will remain poor orbecome rich.... There can be a socialist or communist society wherethere will be no rich and no poor people. So these are nonessentialquestions....An eighty years old man was walking along when his foot slipped

onsome orange peel thrown onto the road. Now, is it possible to inquireof an astrologer and know from the moon and stars on which road and onwhich orange peel the foot will slip? Such queries are foolish, butyou are curious to know in advance whether your foot will land on anorange skin and slip if you go out on the road today. This isnonessential. This has nothing to do with your being or your soul.These events happen on the periphery, and astrology has nothing to dowith them. But because the astrologers were busy talking only aboutsuch things, the great establishment of astrology collapsed. This wasthe only reason.No intelligent person will be prepared to believe that when he wasborn it was written by destiny that on a particular day on MarineDrive his foot would land on some orange peel and he would fall....Neither the falling down nor the orange peel have any relationship tothe stars. Astrology has lost

respect because it became connected withsuch things. At one time or the other we all have wanted to know suchthings from astrologers -- but these things are nonessential. Butthere are certain semi-essential matters such as the birth or death ofa person: if you can know everything about these, you can takeprecautionary measures. If you do not know anything, you can't doanything.If our knowledge about the diagnosis of disease is increased, we willbe able to increase the life-span of human beings. We have been doingit. If our research to make deadlier atom bombs succeeds, we will beable to kill hundreds of thousands of people at a time -- we have doneit. This semi-essential world presents a possibility for our beingable to do certain things, if we know in advance what is going tohappen. If we do not know, nothing can be done. By our knowing inadvance, alternatives can be sorted out and selected.Beyond

this, the world of the essential exists -- you cannot doanything about it. However, our curiosity is to know only aboutnonessential things. Seldom does someone reach out to know thesemi-essential. Our curiosity or desire never extends to knowing thatwhich is essential and unavoidable, that which cannot be changed evenif known.================Dridha = Essential================The astrology I am talking about concerns the essential, thefundamental. At best your curiosity as far as the semi-essential. Youwant to know how long you will live or whether or not you willsuddenly die. But you are not curious to know what you will do if youlive -- how you will live. You do want to know how you will die whenthe time comes or what you will be doing at that time. Your curiosityextends to events, not to the soul.-------------------------------The projections of the future also determine the

present moments. Thispresent moment could not be if there were no future moments. Only withthe support of future moments can the present moment occur. Our handsare resting on the shoulders of the future, our feet are on theshoulders of our past. It is very obvious that if that which is belowme -- on which I am standing and which I can see -- slips away, I willfall. But if the shoulders of the future -- on which my outstretchedhands are resting -- slip away then I will also fall.When a person finds himself connected with this inner unity of pastand future he will be able to understand astrology. Then astrologybecomes a religion, then astrology becomes spiritual.=======================Dridhadridha = Semi-Essential=======================I will tell you a very interesting story so that you mayunderstand.... Mohammed had a disciple named Ali. Ali once askedMohammed's opinion

about whether a man is independent and free to dowhat he wants, or whether he is bound by his destiny in everything hedoes. Ali asked, "Can one do as one wants or not?" -- and man hasbeen asking this question for a long, long time. "If a man is not ableto do as he desires," Ali said, "then it is useless and foolish topreach to him not to steal, not to tell lies, not to be dishonest. Oris it destiny that one man should always be there to preach to othersnot to steal or not to do this or that, knowing full well that it isalso destiny for a dishonest man to remain dishonest, for a thief toremain a thief, for a murderer to remain a murderer? All this appearsabsurd. If everything is predestined, all education is useless -- allprophets, all saints and all teachers are useless."People have asked such questions to Mahavira and to Buddha also. Ifwhat is going to happen is predestined, why should Mahavira or Buddhatake so

much trouble to explain what is right and what is wrong? So,Ali asked Mohammed what he thought about this controversial matter. Ifsuch a question was asked to Mahavira or Buddha, they would have givena very complicated and deep reply, but Mohammed gave a reply which Alicould understand. Many of Mohammed's replies were direct andstraightforward. Ordinarily, answers given by people who areuneducated or less educated, or who are simple villagers, are directand frank. People like Kabir, Nanak, Mohammed and Jesus were simple inthat way. Answers by people like Buddha, Mahavira and Krishna werecomplex -- Buddha and Mahavira were the cream of a rich and highlydeveloped civilization. The words of Jesus were direct, like a blow onthe head. Kabir has actually sung: "Kabir is standing in the openmarket with a hammer in his hand to hit you!" If anyone came near himhe would, so to speak, break open his head to

remove all the rubbishthat was lying inside.Mohammed did not give any metaphysical reply. He asked Ali to lift oneleg and stand on it. Ali had asked a question about whether a man isfree to do what he wants. Why should Ali stand on one leg? Mohammedsaid, "First lift one leg."Poor Ali lifted his left leg and stood there on one leg.Mohammed then asked him, "Now lift the right leg also."Ali was puzzled and asked how it was possible. Then Mohammed said, "Ifyou had wanted to, you could have lifted the right leg first, but nowyou cannot.... A man is always free to lift the first leg -- it can bewhichever he wants -- but no sooner has the first been lifted when theother becomes bound to the earth."With regard to the nonessential part of life, we are always free tolift the first leg. But once that is done it becomes a bondage for theessential part. We take steps that are nonessential, become

entangled,and then we are not able to do the essential. So Mohammed said to Alithat he had all the freedom to lift the right or the left leg first.But once he exercised that freedom and lifted one left leg, he wasincapable of lifting the other leg. So freedom is there within certainlimits, but beyond those limits there is bondage.==================Adirdha = Non-Essential==================Aall ordinary astrologers are asked about nonessentials. An ordinary astrologer isasked questions like: "Shall we win the elections or not?" How are theelections connected with the moon and the stars? The ordinaryastrologer who replies, "Everything is predetermined, and no changes,not even as much as one inch, can be made," is making a false statement.On the other hand there is the rationalist. He says that nothing isconnected inevitably: whatsoever happens is coincidental,circumstantial and a

matter of chance. There is no law, everything isanarchic. He is also making a false statement. ==================Back to the 3 Divisions=================== There is a law: A rationalist is never found so full of joy and blissas a buddha.The rationalist denies God, soul and religion with the help of logic,but he can never attain the joy of Mahavira. It is definite thatMahavira must have done something that earned him his joy, Buddha musthave done something that liberated him, and Krishna must also havedone something which made it possible for him to give out suchdistinctly unique magical notes through his flute.The real thing is the third, which is the quintessence of everything,which belongs to the innermost and which is absolutely predetermined.The more one moves toward one's center, the nearer one comes to theessential, predetermined part. As we move towards the periphery, wemove

towards coincidence. The more we talk about external happenings,the more there is coincidence. When we talk about inner phenomena,things begin to appear scientific, as if based on a certain law, andthey become more and more decisive.Between these two conditions -- the essential and the peripheral --there is ample room for changes through the exercise of choice. Here,a person of knowledge makes the correct choice, while a person who iswithout knowledge, who is in the darkness of ignorance, drifts to hisdestiny. In darkness, circumstance catches hold of him.So there are three areas of life. In one area, that which is theessential core, everything is predetermined. Knowing this is knowingthe essence of astrology. In another area, that which is peripheral,everything is uncertain. To know this is to know the everydayunpredictable world. There is another area which is in the middle. Byknowing this, a person can save himself

from trying to do theimpossible, and can do what is possible.********************************************************OK. That were the words of the Osho. Now do you want to look into the above sloka? And want to know what else, it say? In which way you are interested in astrology – In essential? Semi-essential? Non-essential?Hope to have many replays on the same.Love,Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote:>> Interested? No, nobody is. Only you are. And what is your explanation for the French leave? > RK > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Hi All,> Why this group becomes inactive when I am not here. Is it that no > body is interested in astrology? Is it that you don't like this group?

> With such good members with knowledge, this shouldn't happen to this > group. And will not happen I know. Come back and let us restart! > Love,> Sreenadh> >

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