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Om sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreeram jee, Namaskar! Thanks for comments, one thing about validation, how do you validate anything related to astrology, :-) not possible for now, but yes one day, yet to come, we will or future generations will be in a position to validate it and reach where our great rishis stood once. "Predictiveness", this is what is required, otherwise astrology or no astrology, it would not matter. As far as history is concerned nothing valuable to me in this post. Thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPIsreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Scientific community has been trying to put age of earth for quite a long time.....and they shall continue another few centuries......each day some discovery overrides earlier age calculations.......You want to join this bandwagon on astrology is your wish.......research is OK but choosing endless topics is what is detested........ Second order of current research elsewhere.....Benefics work good in Satya & Dwarpara yuga....while Malefics are the best

desirables in Kaliyuga......keep arguing with no end results....come on you have nothing to validate...except some mythologies...to which there are many versions of the same story..... Third order of research......Jupiter gave good results in Satya & Dwarpara yuga...., but in Kaliyuga, it is more of Venus & Rahu that delivers....!!!??!!! i.e. Jupiter & Venus have exchanged their roles !!! Actively supported by those who believe in Playboy Shri Acharya Rajneesh followers !!! ( Note : Would apologise for using this loose statements.....do not want to incur wrath of his supporters, I have NO intention to demean him or his teachings. ) The list goes on & on......you are invited to continue this research with zeal.....provided you are willing to quickly realise that down the X number of centuries down the time lane......there would be a mention of that great sage by suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca said this & that.....etc... It is NOT about resistance as you mentioned, but idiosyncrasies in the name of research !!! all the so-called research that you mentioned have NO relation to the "predictiveness" to

which you are trying to cloak your research on...... as for encouraging investigative questions - Why the order of vimsottari dasas is Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me...... is the only worthwhile question......( as shared by you ).....many of sincere students of astrology do have answer for it........probably you also would have got it......provided if you have gone through astro_classics yourself........... I have no ill-feeling towards anyone.....but for the topic generated Heat !!! Shall continue to respect the individual as usual

!!! with regards, sreeram srinivas Friday, October 27, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Digest Number 162 Ancient Indian Astrology On 10/25/06, surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:> > Om Sri gurave Namah!> > Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!> > Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I consolidate all> the> > information available, I will definetly share it with all the members.> > There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article or> book> > on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we are> dealing> > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not without a> >

reason,> > As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and plamistry, but> I> > have certain dead ends, and this is one of them.> > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or very> > ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it be nice> and> > more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is xxxxxxxxx> > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.> > There are other dead ends like:> > Why the order of vimsottari dasas is> > Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no of years> is> > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10; Mars 7; Rahu> > 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.> > There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of> > resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a

factual figure.> > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them> because,> > it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better> > understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to comment, to> > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the questioner> > with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.> > As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have> > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it, but If I> > think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on it, but> > asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email from the> > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I believe in> vedic> > astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that one or few> > investigative question

would not undermine its credibility or divinity.> > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge, not just> a> > book.> > All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to creation,> they> > answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying, but when> > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they could not> reach,> > why the universe was created?.> > So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not universal.> > Thanks!> > Om Namah Shivai!> > SPI> > Om Sri gurave Namah!Dear Kishore jee,Thanks for the info, :-)regarding plantains, Banana History The origin of bananas is traced back to the Malaysian jungles of Southeast Asia, where so many varieties and names for the banana are in that area.Some horticulturists

suspect that the banana was the earth's first fruit. Banana plants have been in cultivation since the time of recorded history. One of the first records of bananas dates back to Alexander the Great's conquest of India where he first discovered bananas in 327 B.C.In some lands bananas were considered the principal food. Early travelers and settlers would carry the roots of the plant as they migrated to the Middle East and Africa. From there Portuguese traders carried banana roots to the Canary Islands, where bananas are still grown commercially.When Spanish explorers came to the New World, so did the banana. According to Spanish history, Friar Tomas de Berlanga brought the first banana root stocks to the Western Hemisphere.In 1516, Friar Tomas sailed to the Caribbean bringing banana roots with him; and planted bananas in the rich, fertile soil of the tropics, thus beginning the banana's future in American life.Bananas were officially

introduced to the American public at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. Each banana was wrapped in foil and sold for 10 cents. Before that time, bananas came to America on the decks of sailing ships as sailors took a few stems home after traveling in the Caribbean.In the late 1870's, with the invention of the telegraph and the development of the Central American railroads, the banana industry finally took shape. Systematized growing fields and refrigerated steamships signaled the end of an era when bulky full stems of bananas were shipped on sailing vessels.Courtesy: International banana association :-)Om Namah Shivai!SPI kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote:dear all,if someone wants to know about the history of astrology, i think theyare better to enter the groups on Indian history. ( you can see mygroups named Ancient History and one

more at Vedic history)Talking of Jyotish history at great length is like discussing how toraise a plaintain tree when all that you want is to eat the plantainssince you are hungry!Kishore patnaikOn 10/25/06, surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:> Om Sri gurave Namah!> Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!> Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I consolidate all the> information available, I will definetly share it with all the members.> There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article or book> on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we are dealing> with the oldest astro science available, this question is not without a> reason,> As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and plamistry, but I> have certain dead ends, and this is one of them.> Instead of

starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or very> ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it be nice and> more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is xxxxxxxxx> years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.> There are other dead ends like:> Why the order of vimsottari dasas is> Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no of years is> alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10; Mars 7; Rahu> 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.> There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of> resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual figure.> Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them because,> it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better> understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to comment,

to> contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the questioner> with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.> As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have> knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it, but If I> think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on it, but> asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email from the> list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I believe in vedic> astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that one or few> investigative question would not undermine its credibility or divinity.> The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge, not just a> book.> All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to creation, they> answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying, but when> asked why?

even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they could not reach,> why the universe was created?.> So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not universal.> Thanks!> Om Namah Shivai!> SPI>> > Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web Messages | Files | Photos | Polls Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un

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Dear Surya ji,

Try to write informative long mails which would empower others with

knowledge. Please take care to -

1) Include astrological content in the mail.

2) Deal with the subject at hand after proper study and thinking.

These are unsaid rules, followed by every good group. Otherwise,

our mail history will become cluttered with small chat like mails,

and those who are going through previous mails will not be benefited

with informative content. I hope you will follow these norms.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, surya ianala

<suri_allam wrote:

>

> Om sri gurave Namah!

>

> Dear Sreeram jee, Namaskar!

>

> Thanks for comments, one thing about validation,

> how do you validate anything related to astrology, :-) not

possible for now, but yes one day, yet to come, we will or future

generations will be in a position to validate it and reach where our

great rishis stood once.

> " Predictiveness " , this is what is required, otherwise astrology

or no astrology, it would not matter. As far as history is concerned

nothing valuable to me in this post.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

>

> sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

> Scientific community has been trying to put age of

earth for quite a long time.....and they shall continue another few

centuries......each day some discovery overrides earlier age

calculations.......You want to join this bandwagon on astrology is

your wish.......research is OK but choosing endless topics is what

is detested........

>

> Second order of current research elsewhere.....Benefics work

good in Satya & Dwarpara yuga....while Malefics are the best

desirables in Kaliyuga......keep arguing with no end results....come

on you have nothing to validate...except some mythologies...to which

there are many versions of the same story.....

>

> Third order of research......Jupiter gave good results in Satya

& Dwarpara yuga...., but in Kaliyuga, it is more of Venus & Rahu

that delivers....!!!??!!! i.e. Jupiter & Venus have exchanged their

roles !!! Actively supported by those who believe in Playboy Shri

Acharya Rajneesh followers !!! ( Note : Would apologise for using

this loose statements.....do not want to incur wrath of his

supporters, I have NO intention to demean him or his teachings. )

>

> The list goes on & on......you are invited to continue this

research with zeal.....provided you are willing to quickly realise

that down the X number of centuries down the time lane......there

would be a mention of that great sage by suri_allam said this

& that.....etc... It is NOT about resistance as you mentioned,

but idiosyncrasies in the name of research !!!

>

> all the so-called research that you mentioned have NO relation

to the " predictiveness " to which you are trying to cloak your

research on......

>

> as for encouraging investigative questions - Why the order of

vimsottari dasas is Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me...... is

the only worthwhile question......( as shared by you ).....many of

sincere students of astrology do have answer for it........probably

you also would have got it......provided if you have gone through

astro_classics yourself...........

>

> I have no ill-feeling towards anyone.....but for the topic

generated Heat !!! Shall continue to respect the individual as

usual !!!

>

>

> with regards,

> sreeram srinivas

>

>

>

>

 

> Friday, October 27, 2006 4:52 PM

>

> Digest Number 162

>

>

>

> Ancient Indian Astrology

>

> On 10/25/06, surya ianala <suri_allam wrote:

> > > Om Sri gurave Namah!

> > > Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!

> > > Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I

consolidate all

> > the

> > > information available, I will definetly share it with all the

members.

> > > There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no

article or

> > book

> > > on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we

are

> > dealing

> > > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not

without a

> > > reason,

> > > As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and

plamistry, but

> > I

> > > have certain dead ends, and this is one of them.

> > > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or

very

> > > ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it

be nice

> > and

> > > more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya

is xxxxxxxxx

> > > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.

> > > There are other dead ends like:

> > > Why the order of vimsottari dasas is

> > > Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian

no of years

> > is

> > > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10;

Mars 7; Rahu

> > > 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.

> > > There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of

> > > resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual

figure.

> > > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage

them

> > because,

> > > it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better

> > > understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to

comment, to

> > > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the

questioner

> > > with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.

> > > As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I

have

> > > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer

it, but If I

> > > think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on

it, but

> > > asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his

email from the

> > > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I

believe in

> > vedic

> > > astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that

one or few

> > > investigative question would not undermine its credibility or

divinity.

> > > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge,

not just

> > a

> > > book.

> > > All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to

creation,

> > they

> > > answered to the best of their knowledge and was very

satisfying, but when

> > > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they

could not

> > reach,

> > > why the universe was created?.

> > > So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not

universal.

> > > Thanks!

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > >

>

> Om Sri gurave Namah!

> Dear Kishore jee,

> Thanks for the info, :-)

> regarding plantains,

> Banana History

> The origin of bananas is traced back to the Malaysian jungles of

Southeast Asia, where so many varieties and names for the banana are

in that area.

>

> Some horticulturists suspect that the banana was the earth's first

fruit. Banana plants have been in cultivation since the time of

recorded history. One of the first records of bananas dates back to

Alexander the Great's conquest of India where he first discovered

bananas in 327 B.C.

>

> In some lands bananas were considered the principal food. Early

travelers and settlers would carry the roots of the plant as they

migrated to the Middle East and Africa. From there Portuguese

traders carried banana roots to the Canary Islands, where bananas

are still grown commercially.

>

> When Spanish explorers came to the New World, so did the banana.

According to Spanish history, Friar Tomas de Berlanga brought the

first banana root stocks to the Western Hemisphere.

>

> In 1516, Friar Tomas sailed to the Caribbean bringing banana roots

with him; and planted bananas in the rich, fertile soil of the

tropics, thus beginning the banana's future in American life.

>

> Bananas were officially introduced to the American public at the

1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. Each banana was wrapped in

foil and sold for 10 cents. Before that time, bananas came to

America on the decks of sailing ships as sailors took a few stems

home after traveling in the Caribbean.

>

> In the late 1870's, with the invention of the telegraph and the

development of the Central American railroads, the banana industry

finally took shape. Systematized growing fields and refrigerated

steamships signaled the end of an era when bulky full stems of

bananas were shipped on sailing vessels.

>

> Courtesy: International banana association :-)

> Om Namah Shivai!

> SPI

>

> kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

> dear all,

>

> if someone wants to know about the history of astrology, i think

they

> are better to enter the groups on Indian history. ( you can see my

> groups named Ancient History and one more at Vedic history)

>

> Talking of Jyotish history at great length is like discussing how

to

> raise a plaintain tree when all that you want is to eat the

plantains

> since you are hungry!

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> On 10/25/06, surya ianala <suri_allam wrote:

> > Om Sri gurave Namah!

> > Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!

> > Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I

consolidate all the

> > information available, I will definetly share it with all the

members.

> > There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article

or book

> > on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we

are dealing

> > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not

without a

> > reason,

> > As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and

plamistry, but I

> > have certain dead ends, and this is one of them.

> > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or

very

> > ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it

be nice and

> > more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is

xxxxxxxxx

> > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.

> > There are other dead ends like:

> > Why the order of vimsottari dasas is

> > Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no

of years is

> > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10;

Mars 7; Rahu

> > 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.

> > There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of

> > resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual

figure.

> > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them

because,

> > it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better

> > understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to

comment, to

> > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the

questioner

> > with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.

> > As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have

> > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it,

but If I

> > think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on

it, but

> > asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email

from the

> > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I

believe in vedic

> > astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that

one or few

> > investigative question would not undermine its credibility or

divinity.

> > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge,

not just a

> > book.

> > All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to

creation, they

> > answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying,

but when

> > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they

could not reach,

> > why the universe was created?.

> > So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not

universal.

> > Thanks!

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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dear sreenadh,

 

short and sweet but well said!

 

Kishore patniak

 

On 10/31/06, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Surya ji,

> Try to write informative long mails which would empower others with

> knowledge. Please take care to -

> 1) Include astrological content in the mail.

> 2) Deal with the subject at hand after proper study and thinking.

> These are unsaid rules, followed by every good group. Otherwise,

> our mail history will become cluttered with small chat like mails,

> and those who are going through previous mails will not be benefited

> with informative content. I hope you will follow these norms.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , surya ianala

> <suri_allam wrote:

> >

> > Om sri gurave Namah!

> >

> > Dear Sreeram jee, Namaskar!

> >

> > Thanks for comments, one thing about validation,

> > how do you validate anything related to astrology, :-) not

> possible for now, but yes one day, yet to come, we will or future

> generations will be in a position to validate it and reach where our

> great rishis stood once.

> > " Predictiveness " , this is what is required, otherwise astrology

> or no astrology, it would not matter. As far as history is concerned

> nothing valuable to me in this post.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> >

> >

> > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

> > Scientific community has been trying to put age of

> earth for quite a long time.....and they shall continue another few

> centuries......each day some discovery overrides earlier age

> calculations.......You want to join this bandwagon on astrology is

> your wish.......research is OK but choosing endless topics is what

> is detested........

> >

> > Second order of current research elsewhere.....Benefics work

> good in Satya & Dwarpara yuga....while Malefics are the best

> desirables in Kaliyuga......keep arguing with no end results....come

> on you have nothing to validate...except some mythologies...to which

> there are many versions of the same story.....

> >

> > Third order of research......Jupiter gave good results in Satya

> & Dwarpara yuga...., but in Kaliyuga, it is more of Venus & Rahu

> that delivers....!!!??!!! i.e. Jupiter & Venus have exchanged their

> roles !!! Actively supported by those who believe in Playboy Shri

> Acharya Rajneesh followers !!! ( Note : Would apologise for using

> this loose statements.....do not want to incur wrath of his

> supporters, I have NO intention to demean him or his teachings. )

> >

> > The list goes on & on......you are invited to continue this

> research with zeal.....provided you are willing to quickly realise

> that down the X number of centuries down the time lane......there

> would be a mention of that great sage by suri_allam said this

> & that.....etc... It is NOT about resistance as you mentioned,

> but idiosyncrasies in the name of research !!!

> >

> > all the so-called research that you mentioned have NO relation

> to the " predictiveness " to which you are trying to cloak your

> research on......

> >

> > as for encouraging investigative questions - Why the order of

> vimsottari dasas is Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me...... is

> the only worthwhile question......( as shared by you ).....many of

> sincere students of astrology do have answer for it........probably

> you also would have got it......provided if you have gone through

> astro_classics yourself...........

> >

> > I have no ill-feeling towards anyone.....but for the topic

> generated Heat !!! Shall continue to respect the individual as

> usual !!!

> >

> >

> > with regards,

> > sreeram srinivas

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> > Friday, October 27, 2006 4:52 PM

> >

> > Digest Number 162

> >

> >

> >

> > Ancient Indian Astrology

> >

> > On 10/25/06, surya ianala <suri_allam wrote:

> > > > Om Sri gurave Namah!

> > > > Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!

> > > > Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I

> consolidate all

> > > the

> > > > information available, I will definetly share it with all the

> members.

> > > > There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no

> article or

> > > book

> > > > on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we

> are

> > > dealing

> > > > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not

> without a

> > > > reason,

> > > > As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and

> plamistry, but

> > > I

> > > > have certain dead ends, and this is one of them.

> > > > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or

> very

> > > > ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it

> be nice

> > > and

> > > > more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya

> is xxxxxxxxx

> > > > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.

> > > > There are other dead ends like:

> > > > Why the order of vimsottari dasas is

> > > > Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian

> no of years

> > > is

> > > > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10;

> Mars 7; Rahu

> > > > 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.

> > > > There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of

> > > > resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual

> figure.

> > > > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage

> them

> > > because,

> > > > it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better

> > > > understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to

> comment, to

> > > > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the

> questioner

> > > > with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.

> > > > As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I

> have

> > > > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer

> it, but If I

> > > > think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on

> it, but

> > > > asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his

> email from the

> > > > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I

> believe in

> > > vedic

> > > > astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that

> one or few

> > > > investigative question would not undermine its credibility or

> divinity.

> > > > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge,

> not just

> > > a

> > > > book.

> > > > All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to

> creation,

> > > they

> > > > answered to the best of their knowledge and was very

> satisfying, but when

> > > > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they

> could not

> > > reach,

> > > > why the universe was created?.

> > > > So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not

> universal.

> > > > Thanks!

> > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > SPI

> > > >

> >

> > Om Sri gurave Namah!

> > Dear Kishore jee,

> > Thanks for the info, :-)

> > regarding plantains,

> > Banana History

> > The origin of bananas is traced back to the Malaysian jungles of

> Southeast Asia, where so many varieties and names for the banana are

> in that area.

> >

> > Some horticulturists suspect that the banana was the earth's first

> fruit. Banana plants have been in cultivation since the time of

> recorded history. One of the first records of bananas dates back to

> Alexander the Great's conquest of India where he first discovered

> bananas in 327 B.C.

> >

> > In some lands bananas were considered the principal food. Early

> travelers and settlers would carry the roots of the plant as they

> migrated to the Middle East and Africa. From there Portuguese

> traders carried banana roots to the Canary Islands, where bananas

> are still grown commercially.

> >

> > When Spanish explorers came to the New World, so did the banana.

> According to Spanish history, Friar Tomas de Berlanga brought the

> first banana root stocks to the Western Hemisphere.

> >

> > In 1516, Friar Tomas sailed to the Caribbean bringing banana roots

> with him; and planted bananas in the rich, fertile soil of the

> tropics, thus beginning the banana's future in American life.

> >

> > Bananas were officially introduced to the American public at the

> 1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. Each banana was wrapped in

> foil and sold for 10 cents. Before that time, bananas came to

> America on the decks of sailing ships as sailors took a few stems

> home after traveling in the Caribbean.

> >

> > In the late 1870's, with the invention of the telegraph and the

> development of the Central American railroads, the banana industry

> finally took shape. Systematized growing fields and refrigerated

> steamships signaled the end of an era when bulky full stems of

> bananas were shipped on sailing vessels.

> >

> > Courtesy: International banana association :-)

> > Om Namah Shivai!

> > SPI

> >

> > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

> > dear all,

> >

> > if someone wants to know about the history of astrology, i think

> they

> > are better to enter the groups on Indian history. ( you can see my

> > groups named Ancient History and one more at Vedic history)

> >

> > Talking of Jyotish history at great length is like discussing how

> to

> > raise a plaintain tree when all that you want is to eat the

> plantains

> > since you are hungry!

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> > On 10/25/06, surya ianala <suri_allam wrote:

> > > Om Sri gurave Namah!

> > > Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!

> > > Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I

> consolidate all the

> > > information available, I will definetly share it with all the

> members.

> > > There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article

> or book

> > > on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we

> are dealing

> > > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not

> without a

> > > reason,

> > > As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and

> plamistry, but I

> > > have certain dead ends, and this is one of them.

> > > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or

> very

> > > ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it

> be nice and

> > > more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is

> xxxxxxxxx

> > > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.

> > > There are other dead ends like:

> > > Why the order of vimsottari dasas is

> > > Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no

> of years is

> > > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10;

> Mars 7; Rahu

> > > 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.

> > > There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of

> > > resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual

> figure.

> > > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them

> because,

> > > it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better

> > > understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to

> comment, to

> > > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the

> questioner

> > > with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.

> > > As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have

> > > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it,

> but If I

> > > think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on

> it, but

> > > asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email

> from the

> > > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I

> believe in vedic

> > > astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that

> one or few

> > > investigative question would not undermine its credibility or

> divinity.

> > > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge,

> not just a

> > > book.

> > > All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to

> creation, they

> > > answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying,

> but when

> > > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they

> could not reach,

> > > why the universe was created?.

> > > So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not

> universal.

> > > Thanks!

> > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > SPI

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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