Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Scientific community has been trying to put age of earth for quite a long time.....and they shall continue another few centuries......each day some discovery overrides earlier age calculations.......You want to join this bandwagon on astrology is your wish.......research is OK but choosing endless topics is what is detested........ Second order of current research elsewhere.....Benefics work good in Satya & Dwarpara yuga....while Malefics are the best desirables in Kaliyuga......keep arguing with no end results....come on you have nothing to validate...except some mythologies...to which there are many versions of the same story..... Third order of research......Jupiter gave good results in Satya & Dwarpara yuga...., but in Kaliyuga, it is more of Venus & Rahu that delivers....!!!??!!! i.e. Jupiter & Venus have exchanged their roles !!! Actively supported by those who believe in Playboy Shri Acharya Rajneesh followers !!! ( Note : Would apologise for using this loose statements.....do not want to incur wrath of his supporters, I have NO intention to demean him or his teachings. ) The list goes on & on......you are invited to continue this research with zeal.....provided you are willing to quickly realise that down the X number of centuries down the time lane......there would be a mention of that great sage by suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca said this & that.....etc... It is NOT about resistance as you mentioned, but idiosyncrasies in the name of research !!! all the so-called research that you mentioned have NO relation to the "predictiveness" to which you are trying to cloak your research on...... as for encouraging investigative questions - Why the order of vimsottari dasas is Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me...... is the only worthwhile question......( as shared by you ).....many of sincere students of astrology do have answer for it........probably you also would have got it......provided if you have gone through astro_classics yourself........... I have no ill-feeling towards anyone.....but for the topic generated Heat !!! Shall continue to respect the individual as usual !!! with regards, sreeram srinivas Friday, October 27, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Digest Number 162 Ancient Indian Astrology On 10/25/06, surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:> > Om Sri gurave Namah!> > Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!> > Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I consolidate all> the> > information available, I will definetly share it with all the members.> > There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article or> book> > on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we are> dealing> > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not without a> > reason,> > As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and plamistry, but> I> > have certain dead ends, and this is one of them.> > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or very> > ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it be nice> and> > more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is xxxxxxxxx> > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.> > There are other dead ends like:> > Why the order of vimsottari dasas is> > Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no of years> is> > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10; Mars 7; Rahu> > 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.> > There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of> > resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual figure.> > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them> because,> > it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better> > understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to comment, to> > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the questioner> > with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.> > As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have> > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it, but If I> > think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on it, but> > asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email from the> > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I believe in> vedic> > astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that one or few> > investigative question would not undermine its credibility or divinity.> > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge, not just> a> > book.> > All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to creation,> they> > answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying, but when> > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they could not> reach,> > why the universe was created?.> > So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not universal.> > Thanks!> > Om Namah Shivai!> > SPI> > Om Sri gurave Namah!Dear Kishore jee,Thanks for the info, :-)regarding plantains, Banana History The origin of bananas is traced back to the Malaysian jungles of Southeast Asia, where so many varieties and names for the banana are in that area.Some horticulturists suspect that the banana was the earth's first fruit. Banana plants have been in cultivation since the time of recorded history. One of the first records of bananas dates back to Alexander the Great's conquest of India where he first discovered bananas in 327 B.C.In some lands bananas were considered the principal food. Early travelers and settlers would carry the roots of the plant as they migrated to the Middle East and Africa. From there Portuguese traders carried banana roots to the Canary Islands, where bananas are still grown commercially.When Spanish explorers came to the New World, so did the banana. According to Spanish history, Friar Tomas de Berlanga brought the first banana root stocks to the Western Hemisphere.In 1516, Friar Tomas sailed to the Caribbean bringing banana roots with him; and planted bananas in the rich, fertile soil of the tropics, thus beginning the banana's future in American life.Bananas were officially introduced to the American public at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. Each banana was wrapped in foil and sold for 10 cents. Before that time, bananas came to America on the decks of sailing ships as sailors took a few stems home after traveling in the Caribbean.In the late 1870's, with the invention of the telegraph and the development of the Central American railroads, the banana industry finally took shape. Systematized growing fields and refrigerated steamships signaled the end of an era when bulky full stems of bananas were shipped on sailing vessels.Courtesy: International banana association :-)Om Namah Shivai!SPI kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote:dear all,if someone wants to know about the history of astrology, i think theyare better to enter the groups on Indian history. ( you can see mygroups named Ancient History and one more at Vedic history)Talking of Jyotish history at great length is like discussing how toraise a plaintain tree when all that you want is to eat the plantainssince you are hungry!Kishore patnaikOn 10/25/06, surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:> Om Sri gurave Namah!> Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!> Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I consolidate all the> information available, I will definetly share it with all the members.> There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article or book> on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we are dealing> with the oldest astro science available, this question is not without a> reason,> As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and plamistry, but I> have certain dead ends, and this is one of them.> Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or very> ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it be nice and> more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is xxxxxxxxx> years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.> There are other dead ends like:> Why the order of vimsottari dasas is> Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no of years is> alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10; Mars 7; Rahu> 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.> There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of> resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual figure.> Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them because,> it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better> understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to comment, to> contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the questioner> with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.> As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have> knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it, but If I> think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on it, but> asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email from the> list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I believe in vedic> astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that one or few> investigative question would not undermine its credibility or divinity.> The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge, not just a> book.> All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to creation, they> answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying, but when> asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they could not reach,> why the universe was created?.> So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not universal.> Thanks!> Om Namah Shivai!> SPI>> > Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web Messages | Files | Photos | Polls Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Om sri gurave Namah! Dear kishore jee, Namaskar! It is not fare, I am trying to get some information on astrology and you answer it with plantains etc. and now you are asking me not to waste time and space. :-( not fare. I thought you are more interested in plantains than astrology. so I gave you some information regarding plantains, but any way would do mind if you can write something about history of vedic astrology. I would really appreciate:-) Asato ma sadgamaya Tamaso ma jyotirgamaya Mrtyorma amrtam gamaya Om Shanti Shanti Shanti! Do you know why, lord ganesha has a elephant head? Om Namah Shivai! SPIkishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: please do not waste the space and time of others, Kishore patnaik On 10/26/06, surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Kishore jee, Thanks for the info, :-) regarding plantains, Banana History The origin of bananas is traced back to the Malaysian jungles of Southeast Asia, where so many varieties and names for the banana are in that area. Some horticulturists suspect that the banana was the earth's first fruit. Banana plants have been in cultivation since the time of recorded history. One of the first records of bananas dates back to Alexander the Great's conquest of India where he first discovered bananas in 327 B.C. In some lands bananas were considered the principal food. Early travelers and settlers would carry the roots of the plant as they migrated to the Middle East and Africa. From there Portuguese traders carried banana roots to the Canary Islands, where bananas are still grown commercially. When Spanish explorers came to the New World, so did the banana. According to Spanish history, Friar Tomas de Berlanga brought the first banana root stocks to the Western Hemisphere. In 1516, Friar Tomas sailed to the Caribbean bringing banana roots with him; and planted bananas in the rich, fertile soil of the tropics, thus beginning the banana's future in American life. Bananas were officially introduced to the American public at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. Each banana was wrapped in foil and sold for 10 cents. Before that time, bananas came to America on the decks of sailing ships as sailors took a few stems home after traveling in the Caribbean. In the late 1870's, with the invention of the telegraph and the development of the Central American railroads, the banana industry finally took shape. Systematized growing fields and refrigerated steamships signaled the end of an era when bulky full stems of bananas were shipped on sailing vessels. Courtesy: International banana association :-) Om Namah Shivai! SPI kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: dear all,if someone wants to know about the history of astrology, i think theyare better to enter the groups on Indian history. ( you can see mygroups named Ancient History and one more at Vedic history) Talking of Jyotish history at great length is like discussing how toraise a plaintain tree when all that you want is to eat the plantainssince you are hungry!Kishore patnaikOn 10/25/06, surya ianala < suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:> Om Sri gurave Namah!> Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!> Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I consolidate all the > information available, I will definetly share it with all the members.> There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article or book> on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we are dealing > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not without a> reason,> As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and plamistry, but I> have certain dead ends, and this is one of them. > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or very> ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it be nice and> more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is xxxxxxxxx > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.> There are other dead ends like:> Why the order of vimsottari dasas is> Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no of years is > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10; Mars 7; Rahu> 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years.> There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of> resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual figure. > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them because,> it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better> understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to comment, to > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the questioner> with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.> As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it, but If I> think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on it, but> asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email from the > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I believe in vedic> astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that one or few> investigative question would not undermine its credibility or divinity. > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge, not just a> book.> All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to creation, they> answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying, but when > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they could not reach,> why the universe was created?.> So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not universal.> Thanks!> Om Namah Shivai!> SPI>> sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 (AT) satyam (DOT) net.in> wrote: > My request to Mr. Surya Ianala once again is that it is> immaterial to debate as how old is jyotish........kindly stop raising such> endless debates & discussion.....concentrate more on the subject of > astrology......do some authentic work... share with other members any worthy> findings that you may have..........instead of harping on a single> issue........I would also request other members NOT to respond to such > "trivial topics" primarily intended to draw the focus away from core> astrology......>> Mr. Surya Ianala seems to have all energies & time in writing or raking up> none issues..... & keep dragging on endlessly.........it is time moderate > his e-mails for the good of the lists.....>> with regards,> sreeram srinivas>>> > > [ ]> Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:31 PM> > Digest Number 159>>>> Ancient Indian Astrology> Messages In This Digest (1 Message)> 1.> Re: how old is jyotish Vidya? surya ianala > View All Topics | Create New Topic> Message> 1.> Re: how old is jyotish Vidya? Posted by: "surya ianala"> suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca suri_allam Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:10 am (PST) Om Sri> gurave Namah!> Dear Madhu jee, Namaskar!> Few definations: Jyotisha in hindi and english usage is jyotish> The sanskrit term " Jyotish" is derived from the root meaning "light" and > isha" meaning "god", thus it means science of light-the light within each of> us that is a microcosm of light of the universe> Jyotish is a sanskrit word meaning inner light, it is the light of life, > knowledge and god influencing all beings throughout time.> Jyotish is the Sanskrit name for Vedic astrology, meaning "science of> light".> Jyotish means Jyot- Ish. Jyot means Light & Ish means God, so we can say > Light of god.>>> The Sanskrit word derives from jyótis -> "Ja"+"Ya"+"O"+"T"+"ish" to get the root meaning as "water or birth"+"in > addition to" + "earth" and "stars" + "knowledgeable" equating as one who is> knowledgeable, or enlightened with knowledge, of birth, fate, and> relationship to water, earth and stars) or which means "light, brightness", > but in the plural also "the heavenly bodies, planets and stars".>> Jyotish is : Kaal vidhana shastras - a circle.:-)>> Thanks! for your comments>> Om Namah Shivai! >>>>>>>>>>> > > Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail.> All new Mail Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Kishore ji, Surya ji, Please avoid such arguments, and deal with the subject. 1) I appreciate the view of Madhu ji on astrology, calling it " Kala vidhana Sastra " (Science of Time), since that is one of the ancient names given to astrology. Astrology is the study of the rhythm of the solar system. And that is why Biological clock, Circadian Rhythm etc becomes important. I hope Madhu ji will explain his valid view in detail. Dear Surya ji, stop laughing a valid argument based on partial knowledge, rather request Madhu ji to supply further evidence, and try to learn. 2) Jyothisha or Jyothi sastra (Science of light): Cant it be the inner light? The light that is life? Prana (Breath)? The whole of astrology sprung from the study of rhythm breath, as breath pattern is essentially linked to the human biological clock and circadian rhythm. A lot of scientific study is going on the field. Try to acquire knowledge of the same. 3) I disagree with the translation of the word 'Sastra' as 'Science', whether it is done by Madhu ji or Surya ji. As I have mentioned several times in this forum, the ancient defenition of Sastra is 'Sasyathe iti sastram' meaning 'The one that advice is sastra' or in other words, Sastra means 'Ancient Advice'. There for the word Jyoti-sastra means 'Ancient advuce about Light', what ever that light be. The word 'Kala vidhana sastra' means, 'the ancient advice about the rhythm of time'. Dear Surya ji, please treat others with better respect, as always there arguments would be based on some valid foundations, instead of making fun off, just ask/request them to reveal what those foundations are; or in other words, what is the data they have depended upon. I am in no way against your queries or search - but just pointing to a maturity problem. Dear Kishore ji, be patient and please don't be so rude, something worthy may come out of this Surya ji. Let us wait and hope. Love, Sreenadh , surya ianala <suri_allam wrote: > > Om sri gurave Namah! > > Dear kishore jee, Namaskar! > > > It is not fare, I am trying to get some information on astrology and you answer it with plantains etc. and now you are asking me not to waste time and space. :-( not fare. > > I thought you are more interested in plantains than astrology. so I gave you some information regarding plantains, but any way would do mind if you can write something about history of vedic astrology. I would really appreciate:-) > > Asato ma sadgamaya > Tamaso ma jyotirgamaya > Mrtyorma amrtam gamaya > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti! > > Do you know why, lord ganesha has a elephant head? > > Om Namah Shivai! > SPI > > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > please do not waste the space and time of others, > > Kishore patnaik > > > On 10/26/06, surya ianala <suri_allam wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! > Dear Kishore jee, > Thanks for the info, :-) > regarding plantains, > Banana History > The origin of bananas is traced back to the Malaysian jungles of Southeast Asia, where so many varieties and names for the banana are in that area. > > > Some horticulturists suspect that the banana was the earth's first fruit. Banana plants have been in cultivation since the time of recorded history. One of the first records of bananas dates back to Alexander the Great's conquest of India where he first discovered bananas in 327 B.C. > > > In some lands bananas were considered the principal food. Early travelers and settlers would carry the roots of the plant as they migrated to the Middle East and Africa. From there Portuguese traders carried banana roots to the Canary Islands, where bananas are still grown commercially. > > > When Spanish explorers came to the New World, so did the banana. According to Spanish history, Friar Tomas de Berlanga brought the first banana root stocks to the Western Hemisphere. > > > In 1516, Friar Tomas sailed to the Caribbean bringing banana roots with him; and planted bananas in the rich, fertile soil of the tropics, thus beginning the banana's future in American life. > > > Bananas were officially introduced to the American public at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. Each banana was wrapped in foil and sold for 10 cents. Before that time, bananas came to America on the decks of sailing ships as sailors took a few stems home after traveling in the Caribbean. > > > In the late 1870's, with the invention of the telegraph and the development of the Central American railroads, the banana industry finally took shape. Systematized growing fields and refrigerated steamships signaled the end of an era when bulky full stems of bananas were shipped on sailing vessels. > > Courtesy: International banana association :-) > Om Namah Shivai! > SPI > > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: > dear all, > > if someone wants to know about the history of astrology, i think they > are better to enter the groups on Indian history. ( you can see my > groups named Ancient History and one more at Vedic history) > > Talking of Jyotish history at great length is like discussing how to > raise a plaintain tree when all that you want is to eat the plantains > since you are hungry! > > Kishore patnaik > > On 10/25/06, surya ianala < suri_allam wrote: > > Om Sri gurave Namah! > > Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar! > > Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I consolidate all the > > information available, I will definetly share it with all the members. > > There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article or book > > on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we are dealing > > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not without a > > reason, > > As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and plamistry, but I > > have certain dead ends, and this is one of them. > > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or very > > ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it be nice and > > more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is xxxxxxxxx > > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc. > > There are other dead ends like: > > Why the order of vimsottari dasas is > > Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no of years is > > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10; Mars 7; Rahu > > 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years. > > There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of > > resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual figure. > > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them because, > > it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better > > understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to comment, to > > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the questioner > > with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me. > > As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have > > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it, but If I > > think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on it, but > > asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email from the > > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I believe in vedic > > astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that one or few > > investigative question would not undermine its credibility or divinity. > > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge, not just a > > book. > > All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to creation, they > > answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying, but when > > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they could not reach, > > why the universe was created?. > > So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not universal. > > Thanks! > > Om Namah Shivai! > > SPI > > > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > > My request to Mr. Surya Ianala once again is that it is > > immaterial to debate as how old is jyotish........kindly stop raising such > > endless debates & discussion.....concentrate more on the subject of > > astrology......do some authentic work... share with other members any worthy > > findings that you may have..........instead of harping on a single > > issue........I would also request other members NOT to respond to such > > " trivial topics " primarily intended to draw the focus away from core > > astrology...... > > > > Mr. Surya Ianala seems to have all energies & time in writing or raking up > > none issues..... & keep dragging on endlessly.........it is time moderate > > his e-mails for the good of the lists..... > > > > with regards, > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > > > > > > [ ] > > Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:31 PM > > > > Digest Number 159 > > > > > > > > Ancient Indian Astrology > > Messages In This Digest (1 Message) > > 1. > > Re: how old is jyotish Vidya? surya ianala > > View All Topics | Create New Topic > > Message > > 1. > > Re: how old is jyotish Vidya? Posted by: " surya ianala " > > suri_allam suri_allam Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:10 am (PST) Om Sri > > gurave Namah! > > Dear Madhu jee, Namaskar! > > Few definations: Jyotisha in hindi and english usage is jyotish > > The sanskrit term " Jyotish " is derived from the root meaning " light " and > > isha " meaning " god " , thus it means science of light-the light within each of > > us that is a microcosm of light of the universe > > Jyotish is a sanskrit word meaning inner light, it is the light of life, > > knowledge and god influencing all beings throughout time. > > Jyotish is the Sanskrit name for Vedic astrology, meaning " science of > > light " . > > Jyotish means Jyot- Ish. Jyot means Light & Ish means God, so we can say > > Light of god. > > > > > > The Sanskrit word derives from jyótis - > > " Ja " + " Ya " + " O " + " T " + " ish " to get the root meaning as " water or birth " + " in > > addition to " + " earth " and " stars " + " knowledgeable " equating as one who is > > knowledgeable, or enlightened with knowledge, of birth, fate, and > > relationship to water, earth and stars) or which means " light, brightness " , > > but in the plural also " the heavenly bodies, planets and stars " . > > > > Jyotish is : Kaal vidhana shastras - a circle.:-) > > > > Thanks! for your comments > > > > Om Namah Shivai! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail. > > All new Mail > > Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. > > > > > > > > > Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear sreenadh, I was not rude in the first message. In fact, I tried to be of help by giving the addresses of my other groups where he can talk of History. But when this person has made fun of me, I had to be point blank. I hope we will stop this arguments here, since the very reason why I was asking him not to discuss History here is to stop wasting the members' tim and I think continuing the arguments will defeat the very purpose of my advise. regards, Kishore patnaik On 10/31/06, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kishore ji, Surya ji,Please avoid such arguments, and deal with the subject. 1) I appreciate the view of Madhu ji on astrology, calling it " Kala vidhana Sastra " (Science of Time), since that is one of the ancient names given to astrology. Astrology is the study of the rhythm of the solar system. And that is why Biological clock, Circadian Rhythm etc becomes important. I hope Madhu ji will explain his valid view in detail. Dear Surya ji, stop laughing a valid argument based on partial knowledge, rather request Madhu ji to supply further evidence, and try to learn.2) Jyothisha or Jyothi sastra (Science of light): Cant it be the inner light? The light that is life? Prana (Breath)? The whole of astrology sprung from the study of rhythm breath, as breath pattern is essentially linked to the human biological clock and circadian rhythm. A lot of scientific study is going on the field. Try to acquire knowledge of the same. 3) I disagree with the translation of the word 'Sastra' as 'Science', whether it is done by Madhu ji or Surya ji. As I have mentioned several times in this forum, the ancient defenition of Sastra is 'Sasyathe iti sastram' meaning 'The one that advice is sastra' or in other words, Sastra means 'Ancient Advice'. There for the word Jyoti-sastra means 'Ancient advuce about Light', what ever that light be. The word 'Kala vidhana sastra' means, 'the ancient advice about the rhythm of time'. Dear Surya ji, please treat others with better respect, as always there arguments would be based on some valid foundations, instead of making fun off, just ask/request them to reveal what those foundations are; or in other words, what is the data they have depended upon. I am in no way against your queries or search - but just pointing to a maturity problem. Dear Kishore ji, be patient and please don't be so rude, something worthy may come out of this Surya ji. Let us wait and hope. Love,Sreenadh , surya ianala <suri_allam wrote:>> Om sri gurave Namah!> > Dear kishore jee, Namaskar!> > > It is not fare, I am trying to get some information on astrology and you answer it with plantains etc. and now you are asking me not to waste time and space. :-( not fare.> > I thought you are more interested in plantains than astrology. so I gave you some information regarding plantains, but any way would do mind if you can write something about history of vedic astrology. I would really appreciate:-)> > Asato ma sadgamaya> Tamaso ma jyotirgamaya> Mrtyorma amrtam gamaya> Om Shanti Shanti Shanti! > > Do you know why, lord ganesha has a elephant head?> > Om Namah Shivai!> SPI> > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:> please do not waste the space and time of others, > > Kishore patnaik > > > On 10/26/06, surya ianala <suri_allam wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah!> Dear Kishore jee,> Thanks for the info, :-)> regarding plantains, > Banana History > The origin of bananas is traced back to the Malaysian jungles of Southeast Asia, where so many varieties and names for the banana are in that area.> > > Some horticulturists suspect that the banana was the earth's first fruit. Banana plants have been in cultivation since the time of recorded history. One of the first records of bananas dates back to Alexander the Great's conquest of India where he first discovered bananas in 327 B.C.> > > In some lands bananas were considered the principal food. Early travelers and settlers would carry the roots of the plant as they migrated to the Middle East and Africa. From there Portuguese traders carried banana roots to the Canary Islands, where bananas are still grown commercially. > > > When Spanish explorers came to the New World, so did the banana. According to Spanish history, Friar Tomas de Berlanga brought the first banana root stocks to the Western Hemisphere.> > > In 1516, Friar Tomas sailed to the Caribbean bringing banana roots with him; and planted bananas in the rich, fertile soil of the tropics, thus beginning the banana's future in American life.> > > Bananas were officially introduced to the American public at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. Each banana was wrapped in foil and sold for 10 cents. Before that time, bananas came to America on the decks of sailing ships as sailors took a few stems home after traveling in the Caribbean. > > > In the late 1870's, with the invention of the telegraph and the development of the Central American railroads, the banana industry finally took shape. Systematized growing fields and refrigerated steamships signaled the end of an era when bulky full stems of bananas were shipped on sailing vessels. > > Courtesy: International banana association :-)> Om Namah Shivai!> SPI > > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote:> dear all, > > if someone wants to know about the history of astrology, i think they> are better to enter the groups on Indian history. ( you can see my> groups named Ancient History and one more at Vedic history) > > Talking of Jyotish history at great length is like discussing how to> raise a plaintain tree when all that you want is to eat the plantains> since you are hungry!> > Kishore patnaik > > On 10/25/06, surya ianala < suri_allam wrote:> > Om Sri gurave Namah!> > Dear Sreeram Jee, namaskar!> > Thanks for your comments, and I assure you that once I consolidate all the > > information available, I will definetly share it with all the members.> > There are lots of astrologers brooding on this topic, no article or book> > on astrology is complete without highlighting the fact that we are dealing > > with the oldest astro science available, this question is not without a> > reason,> > As I have started writting a book on vedic astrology and plamistry, but I > > have certain dead ends, and this is one of them. > > Instead of starting: Jyotish vidya is very old, or ancient, or very> > ancient or believed to be, or said to be etc. etc. wouldn't it be nice and> > more informative, if I start the history with: Jyotish vidya is xxxxxxxxx > > years old, basis for such a conclusion etc.etc.> > There are other dead ends like:> > Why the order of vimsottari dasas is > > Me-Ket-Ven-Sun-Moon-Mars-Rah-Jup-Sat-Me, and also why certian no of years is > > alotted to each grah like Kethu 7; Venus 20; Sun 6; Moon 10; Mars 7; Rahu> > 18; Jupiter 16; Saturn 19 and Mercury 17 years. > > There are others, I am very well aware that I will face lots of> > resistance, :-)before I will reach anywhere near a factual figure. > > Do not shun all those, who ask questions, instead encourage them because,> > it triggers a series of thoughts, which could lead to better> > understanding.and a forum should be open to all, to ask, to comment, to > > contemplate, but not to attack personally, instead exhaust the questioner> > with knowledge and reasoning, I think you agree with me.> > As I said before, A question is posted by some visiter, If I have > > knowledge and I feel I can justify my answer, I will answer it, but If I> > think it is foolish, or trivial, I would rather not comment on it, but> > asking others to join me to shun the person or remove his email from the > > list etc. is the last thing I would like to do, because I believe in vedic> > astrology and its predictive ability, and I also believe that one or few> > investigative question would not undermine its credibility or divinity. > > The whole purpose is to write a book with authentic knowledge, not just a> > book.> > All Rishis when asked: how, when, and who with regards to creation, they> > answered to the best of their knowledge and was very satisfying, but when > > asked why? even great rishis agreed, this is one thing they could not reach,> > why the universe was created?.> > So dear sreeram jee, I respect your opinion but it is not universal.> > Thanks!> > Om Namah Shivai!> > SPI > > > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > > My request to Mr. Surya Ianala once again is that it is> > immaterial to debate as how old is jyotish........kindly stop raising such> > endless debates & discussion.....concentrate more on the subject of > > astrology......do some authentic work... share with other members any worthy> > findings that you may have..........instead of harping on a single> > issue........I would also request other members NOT to respond to such > > " trivial topics " primarily intended to draw the focus away from core> > astrology...... > >> > Mr. Surya Ianala seems to have all energies & time in writing or raking up> > none issues..... & keep dragging on endlessly.........it is time moderate > > his e-mails for the good of the lists..... > >> > with regards,> > sreeram srinivas> >> >> > > > > > [ ]> > Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:31 PM> > > > Digest Number 159> >> >> >> > Ancient Indian Astrology> > Messages In This Digest (1 Message)> > 1.> > Re: how old is jyotish Vidya? surya ianala > > View All Topics | Create New Topic> > Message> > 1.> > Re: how old is jyotish Vidya? Posted by: " surya ianala " > > suri_allam suri_allam Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:10 am (PST) Om Sri > > gurave Namah!> > Dear Madhu jee, Namaskar!> > Few definations: Jyotisha in hindi and english usage is jyotish> > The sanskrit term " Jyotish " is derived from the root meaning " light " and > > isha " meaning " god " , thus it means science of light-the light within each of> > us that is a microcosm of light of the universe> > Jyotish is a sanskrit word meaning inner light, it is the light of life, > > knowledge and god influencing all beings throughout time.> > Jyotish is the Sanskrit name for Vedic astrology, meaning " science of> > light " .> > Jyotish means Jyot- Ish. Jyot means Light & Ish means God, so we can say > > Light of god.> >> >> > The Sanskrit word derives from jy�tis -> > " Ja " + " Ya " + " O " + " T " + " ish " to get the root meaning as " water or birth " + " in > > addition to " + " earth " and " stars " + " knowledgeable " equating as one who is> > knowledgeable, or enlightened with knowledge, of birth, fate, and > > relationship to water, earth and stars) or which means " light, brightness " , > > but in the plural also " the heavenly bodies, planets and stars " .> >> > Jyotish is : Kaal vidhana shastras - a circle.:-) > >> > Thanks! for your comments> >> > Om Namah Shivai! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail.> >> > > > > > > All new Mail > > Get news delivered. 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