Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear sreenadh jee, namaskar! Your post is as confusing as the dating of jyotish vidya :-)) Om Namah Shivai! SPIsree nadh <sreesog wrote: my dear :-) ha..ha...Of course for most part of it an answer it not necessary. > When you say it is not a book shelf, ..............then you say, there are two big > books.............etc. I said it is not a book shelf, and the other two 'biggest books one can have' is not the books present in the 'akashik records book shelf' (your view). But rather they are as everybody knows 'the two biggest books one can have'. > Again you said: do you mean we can't be objective at all, then you say, it is > the subject which is important and not the persons, Can't you see that the word 'subject' used in the above sentence is not the opposite of the word objective (objective x subjective) but rather it means 'A course or area of study' (Eg: Math is her best subject). Friend context is always important in understanding the meaning of every word.> you say everything is not reflection, then you say, please use reflection as> well, As as you could see I said - 'everything' is not reflection and please use reflection 'as well'. Don't you see that the second part of the above sentence also has the meaning 'everything is not reflection' inherent in it?!> Your points are contradicting and interesting Yes, I could see that :-) See it all depends on the subject. Please don't get confused here the word subject means 'one that experiences or is subjected to something'. Yes, a word can have multiple meaning depending on the context.> it is not a good attitude my dear!> Your points are contradicting> Be a true seeker! :-) Thanks for tha advice :-) But friend, I am a normal human being and neither a individual having that good an attitude, nor a true seeker. As a simple human being I may commit errors as well. May be, it is the actions than the words that can speak better for me. Sorry for the fact that I couldn't rise up to your expectation. If at all others think that I am a seeker (devoid of 'good') it is ok. why even if they think that I am not even a seeker, that is ok. Because why should I be worried of all these things! Ok. what ever that be thanks for the advice. They (our ancestors) say that 'advice is something we give freely to everyone and would never like to take'. May be they are right. > Let me remind you, the first time I contacted you for Kerala shastras, your> response was, why not ask this question in Ancient_indian _astrology? :-)) Yes, that was a right suggestion, and I am not regretting it. I am happy that I gave such a suggestion, pearls which can trap light start shining and it is good to see. Every astrology group needs some catalysts, and it is always good to harvest from the natural circumstances. ;)Love and Hugs,Sreenadhsurya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, Namaskar, It seems, you look at things from one angle only, and you take everything very personally, it is not a good attitude my dear! Asking a question, is a way of gaining knowledge, or to put things in proper perspective, the answer could be from the people who are open to share their knowledge, or it could be from the questionor himself. As I said before, it is normal for any person visiting to this forum or any other forum to ask a question, it is up to the people involved in the forum to answer it or not, depending on their time, and knowledge also their attitude towards society. Let me remind you, the first time I contacted you for Kerala shastras, your response was, why not ask this question in Ancient_indian _astrology? :-)) Why did you do that, is it because, you wanted to play or you wanted other members to answer it, fine I am a good sport, I like playing and I said throw?:-) now you say " foul"?:-) Akash is sky, akashvani is voice of sky, akashic records is a term used by Edger casey (a modern prophet), now one thing common in all these is sky, ok let us take your All india radio also, it is also from sky, my dear, the radio waves. so doesn't they all match, sky, sky, sky :-| What is your problem here to express it " phew", in fact you have to view:-) from all angles and cultivate a habit, listen to everybody with out being rude or attacking personally, be humble and knowledgeable:-), god will love you. Cosmic mind whether it reveals or not, it is up to the seeker to harness it, it does not depend on you or me or anybody else's opinion, and infact once you are able to reach this bookshelf, you can pick up any book you need and read :-)), it all depends on your interest and curiosty. When you say meditation, communication between cosmic mind and the true seeker, etc. etc, well, while you meditate, you do not communicate, you just reach into the silence, surpassing all senses, the whole purpose of meditating is to reach beyond senses and not to communicate using them, the basic principle of meditation is: do not create a thought,do not follow a thought, do not wait for a thought, but thought is something which is passed by the unknown from deep inside, once a person is lost in to a thought, a mantra brings him back into the process of reaching the silence, there is no communication my dear :-) and also there is no feelings involved, it is something you can not explain in terms of sensual attributes. It is travel into the eternal silence, It is a vision linking the soul with the cosmic soul, a travel into unknown, Deepak chopra has explained it better, I only experience it, normally I do not discuss it, but sometimes it is OK, to be a kid:-))) When you say it is not a book shelf, ..............then you say, there are two big books.............etc.,I am sorry it is totally out of my kid size brain. forgive me for not able to understand.:-) Again you said: do you mean we can't be objective at all, then you say, it is the subject which is important and not the persons, you say everything is not reflection, then you say, please use reflection as well, I will do the same, welcome to the kid's world. bien venu!:-) Your points are contradicting and interesting, your way of writing is sarcastic but I would suggest use sarcasm in a very subtle way, it will be well taken, instead of being direct. direct sarcasm is good when two people meet each other in person and they are friends at least acquainted, we are email acquainted. Be a true seeker! :-) Thanks for your comments, Om Namah Shivai! SPI sree nadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear Surya ji, First of all everything is not a reflection. Do you mean we can't be objective at all? ok. I don't force an answer - just think of this question, that is all.> all you guys have to do is answer a simple question: how old is jyotish vidya? Is it a question answer session?! Somebody is 'demanding' answer, and others 'should' answer?!! What kind of attitude is this?! - I wonder. Is it not kid like?!!> akashic records is a term used by Edger casey, and it match's with akashvaniPhew..! Do you mean in 'akashic' (meaning, from the sky) and akash-vani (words from the sky) matches? ok. right. But I would better like to transilate the word akash used in the current context, as cosmic rather than sky. By the way 'akashvani' is a term used for 'All India Radio' in India. :-)> cosmic mind does not reveal anything!!!! I don't have anything to say.......! As far as I know, the cosmic mind reveals many things! I would like to know, what others tell about this opinion of Surya ji. The heart felt prayer of a Yogi, true Astrologer, truly spiritual person etc is -"Let the earth, water, wind, fire, sky, vacuum, education, mind, the waves and the sea ....... and what not, let this whole world be felt by me like an awakened oneness and let it all give the true knowledge to me" . Or when it happens, (normally in meditation), I won't be there but only the vibrant reality. I really don't know, these words could reach upto you or not. Yes, I am speaking of the feeling and communication that happens between the cosmic mind and the true seeker. As far I know, the cosmic mind does reveal many things.........>it is few lucky people who are able to tap that knowledge. It is not a book shelf from which some one can take the akashik records and read! There are 2 biggest books one can have - 1) The Universe (Cosmic reality - Outer world) 2) Our selves (The Mind - Inner world) They do communicate each other : 1) Through the 5 senses 2) Through some subtle ways (may be thought waves.. or who knows what ...)> Tone of an email or a letter, or a post tells about a person. Yes, you are absolutely right - but please use reflection as well, me too will do the same. Yes, it is the subject that is important and not the persons. The word person comes from the word 'persona' meaning 'mask'. Therefore normally it is better to use the word 'individual'. All the individuals in this group, like the dicussion of the subject in a respectable and friendly atmosphere I feel. Keep up the curiosity - all the best.Love and Hugs,Sreenadhsurya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, Namaskar! Thanks! for such beautiful words, and regarding ego, it is a relative factor, if you see ego in me, it is because you are having ego problems, :-) If you see a true seeker in me, you are a true seeker yourself, if you see a good guy in me, it is because you are a good guy, everything is just a reflection only, :-), we do not like those who reflect our image. I do not know from where you are dragging all this, ego, sarcasm, lesson, all you guys have to do is answer a simple question: how old is jyotish vidya? Probable answers could be: I know it, I can attempt it, I do not know, I am sorry, I can not attempt it, I have no idea, etc. etc. but not ego, sarcasm, lesson etc etc. this is really getting beautiful, :-))))) Please akashic records is a term used by Edger casey, and it match's with akashvani, and cosmic mind does not reveal anything, it is few lucky people who are able to tap that knowledge. Tone of an email or a letter, or a post tells about a person, I am just using your tone.ha..ha hugs..............:-) hope you will understand, do not take everything personally, take it as a point of discussion. Thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI sree nadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear Surya ji,All good, but decrease the ego, and be realistic. :)These people whom you are talking to such as Sreeram,Vinita, RK etc are toiling with this subject for longand is for sure spiritually elite. :)Rather than sarcasm here people are more interestedin learning and being friendly to each other. Isthere any lesson in that? :)Now, coming to the point:Logic can not lead one to the ultimate, but logic isvery useful in systematic studies. The ultimate isbeyond logic and thoughts - and the better path inspirituality is meditation than argument, or ratherargument is not a path at all! In systematic study ofsubjects for a doctorate of the like, or to publish aresearch paper, arguments will help, and of coursethere logic leads the way.Akashik records (knowledge revealed by the cosmicmind) is something you can access without violatingthe logical limit of BC 5000 - BC 10000 period originfor Ancient Indian Astrology. 1) Meditate to know the truth about Akashik records.2) Study History to know truth about Origin ofancient Indian knowledge on astrology and ancientIndian culture.Neither exaggeration nor neglecting will show us thecorrect path as Budha says take the well balancedmiddle path. :)Love,Sreenadh--- surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:> Om Sri gurave Namah> Dear Vinita Jee, Namaskar!> I think you answered your own questions, :-)> It is true that god only knows the truth, and the> truth we are seeking also is a fact, which due to> lack of true seekers for truth is currently present> as an untruth. if you see dating of vedas, it is> dated around 1500 BC etc, some have dated around> 3900 BC, and now some are saying it is around 7500> BC etc, I think the discussion in>http://users.skynet.be/Astrologie-Vedique/english.htm> tells the story why?> Reason why, > I have put god- its creator as a starting point.> Seeker, if it is me, or you or this forum, it is> the end of the rope of the memory lane.> Fill up the gap.:-) It is almost impossible to> fill it with one stroke, right,> first we have to put available markers, history,> reach to a point maximum possible, then there are> facts, vedas were passed on to the following > generations verbally, from time immemorial, > A hypothesis based on these facts, and try to link> the theory of yugas, epoch, life of earth, geology,> brahmavidya all on a linear sacle of time etc.> One day the fossils, artefacts everything will> comeout to support this hypothesis, it becomes a> theory, and one day it will be taught in schools.> how is it?, vedic astrology is becomming a part of> education in west, in india it is still a topic of> discussion, and acceptance.see, once same west> called india as a country of superstitions and snake> charmers, today deepak chopra is in great demand and> there are more vedic astrology research centres,> yoga centres, here than in india, till now it was> only IQ and EQ,> Now it is SQ, and SQ has been there in india for a> long time or time immemorial.> Regarding Brighu and brahma, let me correct it, it> is true that there is brighu in every one of us, but> everyone is not bramha's son or daughter,like> brighu,> and brahma is definetly in contact with us all the> time, but we are not blessed like brighu to contact> brahma when ever we want or need. hello how old is> jyotish please.:-) No.> It is true the once you reach that point in super> concious or the cosmic mind, which records every> time and space event, Edger casey called it akashic> records, we will know every truth. it is not a> fantasy for me:-)> Ok once I reach this akashic records, or the> cosmic mind, and I know the truth now, how do you> convince people about it, it is very difficult, it> will remain as my prophecy or my imagination, or> creation, or hypothesis, or some other name. The> importance will catch it after certain time not> immediately, like today we take a treatise or a> scriptual text and use it without validating it. we> believe it to be true of its content.> As you said, to prove it in normal terms , we have> to dig, toil.......:-)> Your last point, how it will help our personal> existence.> Why do we read history: It is an account of past> mistakes, and one should read history to avoid> already committed mistakes, well it does not> guarantee that we will not make new mistakes, but> then we have to create history for our descendents.> Why do you think so much research is carried out> to know, life of earth, its creation, paleantology,> etc. it is for knowledge, it is for knowing how> things shaped up in the past, so that we can> extrapolate a tentative future, existence of mankind> or future of our nature.> Jyotish vidya as on today is gaining momentum, one> day in big corporates there will be resident> astrologers, whose main job will be to draw a> profile of the person being recruited, so that the> managemnet can exactly use his/her potential in> exact areas of work sphere.> Jyotish vidya will be the guiding force behind> almost everything, I can go on and on like this for> pages, but before we reach that point, we have to> consolidate our position as an astrologer, with> correct history, its development, its application,> and for its predictive abilities. so that the future> generations who take up this science, take up with> pride and honour and not with guilt and prejudice.> So is'nt it getting beautiful! keep adding:-)> Thanks> Om Namah Shivai!> SPI> > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> Dear Suryaji,> > Pranam!> > Again just for the sake of discussion i feel tempted> to respond to a > few statements in your message:> > "discussion/arguments are hundred percent needed to> come to the > truth"> > Now what is the "truth" for such a search? The> seeker of truth wants > to know how old is Jyotisha. What do we rely on?> Fossils/texts which > tell a story. Have we discovered the most ancient> fossil/text as yet > so that we can do some carbon dating of jyotisha> vidya? What if the > knowledge preceded writing of texts? As we all know> knowledge was > there since time immemorial - the scripting of the> knowledge occured > much later. So how do we date jyotish.....arrive at> the truth??? > Only God knows! :)> > "Kala is someting unfathomable, and I believe there> is some form of > bhrigu in every one of us....Here we are not cursing> Kala or even > behaving like bhrigu, and also brhama is not in> contact with us, > neither can we visit, the lords like bhrigu, we can> only try to > travel down the memory lane with regards to our> existence and > existence of jyotish vidya."> > After declaring that there is some form of Bhrigu in> all of us why > do you say that Brahma is not in contact with us and> therefore we > have to travel down the memory lane? Dont the> Masters of the past > and the present say the same thing...including> persons like Deepak > Chopra....that realisation/consciousness is IN THIS> PRESENT MOMENT? > So if we all have Bhrigu or Brahma or consciousness> within us we can > get the answers without having to walk down the> memory lane. But > since we are not really concsious / in contact with> brighu or a > brahma within us...we will keep on groping for Truth> but never ever > finding it because Truth is here an Now perhaps and> not in history, > or so say the great masters.....the great masters> for whom TIME > stands still or does not exist when they delve into> pure > consciousness.> > But this is just a fantasy for you and me. So let us> search and let > us dig and let us toil to find out when the story of> Jyotish > began......;) > > My only quarrel is that even if we come to the end> of such a search > what will be its relevance to our personal> existence? Ooops does > this sound offensive? No dear, the intention is not> that. I too > would like to know how knowledge of the date when> jyotish began > would help :)> > Love,> > Vinita> > Love,> > Vinita> > ,> surya ianala > <suri_allam wrote:> >> > Om Sri gurave Namah!> > Dear Vinita jee, pranam,> > Well said! and I totally agree with you, " Only> god > knows .......",> > Yaskacharya's Nirukta Granth clearly state that > discussion/arguments are hundred percent needed to> come to the > truth. That is why Upanishad and especially in> Bhagwat Geeta there > is great discussion/argument between disciple and> acharya, Arjuna > === message truncated === Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Be smarter than spam. 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