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Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear members, Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? Please answer with out preaching about ego, sarcasm and lessons:-)) I am looking for factual dates, if available, or contemplate using available dates. No personal attacks please, :-)) INSTEAD attack the question. thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI

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Dear Surya ji, >Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? The answer is: All this development of jyotish vidya and the concept of Rasi chakra might have started around BC. 10000 or the like. You will find the supporting arguments and the research done related to this subject, in the works of Chandra hari, in the files section of this group (study and such pain staking efforts and please don't ask to spoon feed by continuing doubts on doubts). This is the answer I could provide, you like or dislike that answer is upto you. I can not explain why I said so in one or two mails and so won't like to discuss it further here. You continue with your studies, at some point of time, if you feel that this answer had some value then I would be glad... Love, Sreenadh surya ianala <suri_allam wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear members, Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? Please answer with out preaching about ego, sarcasm and lessons:-)) I am looking for factual dates, if available, or contemplate using available dates. No personal attacks please, :-)) INSTEAD attack the question. thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail.

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Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, namaskar! Why you said so , could be some of your planets present in unfavourable positions:-)))))))))))))), making you comment sarcastically. See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of factual dates, like it should have been, you might call it foolish, egoistic, sarcastic, new fashion, etc. etc. but all these do not add a point to the topic in discussion, and please I do not understand why you are under this impression that, I am looking for some answer, like I am appearing for some examination or some quiz etc., why is it so difficult to precieve it as a topic of research. I know shri chandra hari jee, his work, website etc. etc. let me explain again. XYZ is a topic of research, when it is placed in an open forum, members, individuals, people, persons, kids, masters, gurus, desciples etc. etc. if they have any information, it is

up to them to share it or not, there is nothing here to feel burdened or a feel bad about the question, questionor or the subject itself. So please, if you gave some information, it is taken in its right spirit, there is no scope for extra comments, you know what I mean, let me tell you, I am very well aware of the knowledge base available for such a question, in india or outside. But I can not stop our search, and there is no information( spoon fed or not) available with you that can satify me, or anyone, but every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is valued. so if possible add or leave it to others or to the fate of the question. Thanks! jesus christ! Om Nama Shivai! SPIsree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Surya ji,>Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? The answer is: All this development of jyotish vidya and the concept of Rasi chakra might have started around BC. 10000 or the like. You will find the supporting arguments and the research done related to this subject, in the works of Chandra hari, in the files section of this group (study and such pain staking efforts and please don't ask to spoon feed by continuing doubts on doubts). This is the answer I could provide, you like or dislike that answer is upto you. I can not explain why I said so in one or two mails and so won't like to discuss it further here. You

continue with your studies, at some point of time, if you feel that this answer had some value then I would be glad... Love,Sreenadhsurya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear members, Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? Please answer with out preaching about ego, sarcasm and lessons:-)) I am looking for factual dates, if available, or contemplate using available dates. No personal attacks please, :-)) INSTEAD attack the question. thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new

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Dear Surya ji, > See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of > factual dates Have you seen or studied the pain staking researches happened in that field, to make such a comment? > why is it so difficult to perceive it as a topic of research. It is a topic of research. Here and now, mainly for you. Every researchers and seekers has much work to do (in the field of astrology itself), and they are pre-occupied with their work, the huge amount of work we see before our eyes (or rather we see it as duties that should be done by us). (Chandrahari, Me and Many others are not exception to this statement) If you are one in that group of seekers, toil with your subject (=area of study) and come out with something fruitful. Don't expect others to think for you. It is one of the primary rule in any true research. > I know shri chandra hari jee, his

work, website etc. etc. The question is have you read his books, on the same. Have you seen and read his research efforts on trying to locate the beginning period of astrology and the concept of zodiac? There is a big book 'The Hindu Zodiac' dealing with the same by Hari in detail. You know hari or not is irrelevant, but have you read his efforts on the same is important as far as the question you select for yourself is concerned. > I can not stop our search. > so if possible add or leave it to others or to the fate of the question. Dear friend, it is 'your search', take the responsibly and proceed. All the best in your efforts. >every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is valued. Truly said. And we know how valuable every drop is! So dear brother, be in touch, even if not you can't forget us!! Thanks! jesus christ! (We got a good

friend, who really acts like a true foe) Om Nama Shivai! (Why you are giving me thorny bushes with fruits to toil with?!) Note to others: Dear All, am I right or wrong in the following statements? Thanks! jesus christ! (We got a good friend, who really acts like a true foe) Om Nama Shivai! (Why you are giving me thorny bushes with fruits to toil with?!) > Let me remind you, the first time I contacted you for Kerala shastras, your > response was, why not ask this question in Ancient_indian _astrology? :-)) Surya contacted me by personal mail, and

I requested him to ask his question in our group Ancient_Indian_Astrology. I think it was a right decision. What is your opinion? Love, Sreenadh surya ianala <suri_allam wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, namaskar! Why you said so , could be some of your planets present in unfavourable positions:-)))))))))))))), making you comment sarcastically. See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of factual dates, like it should have been, you might call it foolish, egoistic, sarcastic, new fashion, etc. etc. but all these do not add a point to the topic in discussion, and please I do not

understand why you are under this impression that, I am looking for some answer, like I am appearing for some examination or some quiz etc., why is it so difficult to precieve it as a topic of research. I know shri chandra hari jee, his work, website etc. etc. let me explain again. XYZ is a topic of research, when it is placed in an open forum, members, individuals, people, persons, kids, masters, gurus, desciples etc. etc. if they have any information, it is up to them to share it or not, there is nothing here to feel burdened or a feel bad about the question, questionor or the subject itself. So please, if you gave some information, it is taken in its right spirit, there is no scope for extra comments, you know what I mean, let me tell you, I am very well aware of the knowledge base available for such a question, in india or outside. But I can not stop our search, and there is no information ( spoon fed or

not) available with you that can satify me, or anyone, but every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is valued. so if possible add or leave it to others or to the fate of the question. Thanks! jesus christ! Om Nama Shivai! SPIsree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Surya ji,>Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? The answer is: All this development of jyotish vidya and the concept of Rasi chakra might have started around BC. 10000 or the like. You will find the supporting arguments and the research done related to this subject, in the works of Chandra hari, in the files section of this group (study and such pain staking efforts and please don't

ask to spoon feed by continuing doubts on doubts). This is the answer I could provide, you like or dislike that answer is upto you. I can not explain why I said so in one or two mails and so won't like to discuss it further here. You continue with your studies, at some point of time, if you feel that this answer had some value then I would be glad... Love,Sreenadhsurya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear members, Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? Please answer with out preaching about ego, sarcasm and lessons:-)) I am looking for factual dates, if available, or contemplate using available dates. No personal attacks please, :-)) INSTEAD attack the question. thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail

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Dear Surya ji and Sreenadh ji, I am distressed to note that in your communications you bring the hallowed name of Jesus Christ who is worshipped by about a quarter of the world's population. Hope His name is treated with reverence. Thank you. David sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Surya ji,> See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of> factual dates Have you seen or studied the pain staking researches happened in that field, to make such a comment?> why is it so difficult to perceive it as a topic of research. It is a topic of research. Here and now, mainly for you. Every researchers and seekers has much work to do (in the field of astrology itself), and they are pre-occupied with their work, the huge amount of work we see before our eyes (or rather we see it as duties that should be done by us). (Chandrahari, Me and Many others are not exception to this statement) If you are one in that group of seekers, toil with your subject (=area of study) and come out with something fruitful. Don't expect others to think for you. It is one of the primary rule in any true

research.> I know shri chandra hari jee, his work, website etc. etc. The question is have you read his books, on the same. Have you seen and read his research efforts on trying to locate the beginning period of astrology and the concept of zodiac? There is a big book 'The Hindu Zodiac' dealing with the same by Hari in detail. You know hari or not is irrelevant, but have you read his efforts on the same is important as far as the question you select for yourself is concerned.> I can not stop our search.> so if possible add or leave it to others or to the fate of the question. Dear friend, it is 'your search', take the responsibly and proceed. All the best in your efforts. >every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is valued. Truly said. And we know how valuable every drop is! So dear brother, be in touch, even if not you can't forget us!! Thanks!

jesus christ! (We got a good friend, who really acts like a true foe)Om Nama Shivai! (Why you are giving me thorny bushes with fruits to toil with?!) Note to others: Dear All, am I right or wrong in the following statements? Thanks! jesus christ! (We got a good friend, who really acts like a true foe) Om Nama Shivai! (Why you are giving me thorny bushes with fruits to toil with?!) > Let me remind you, the first time I contacted you for Kerala shastras, your > response was, why not ask this question in Ancient_indian _astrology? :-)) Surya contacted me by personal mail, and I requested him to ask his question in our group Ancient_Indian_Astrology. I think it was a right decision. What is

your opinion? Love,Sreenadh surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, namaskar! Why you said so , could be some of your planets present in unfavourable positions:-)))))))))))))), making you comment sarcastically. See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of factual dates, like it should have been, you might call it foolish, egoistic, sarcastic, new fashion, etc. etc. but all these do not add a point to the topic in discussion, and please I do not understand why you are under this impression that, I am looking for some answer, like I am appearing for some examination or some quiz etc., why is it so difficult to precieve it as a

topic of research. I know shri chandra hari jee, his work, website etc. etc. let me explain again. XYZ is a topic of research, when it is placed in an open forum, members, individuals, people, persons, kids, masters, gurus, desciples etc. etc. if they have any information, it is up to them to share it or not, there is nothing here to feel burdened or a feel bad about the question, questionor or the subject itself. So please, if you gave some information, it is taken in its right spirit, there is no scope for extra comments, you know what I mean, let me tell you, I am very well aware of the knowledge base available for such a question, in india or outside. But I can not stop our search, and there is no information ( spoon fed or not) available with you that can satify me, or anyone, but every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is valued. so if possible add or leave it to others or to

the fate of the question. Thanks! jesus christ! Om Nama Shivai! SPIsree nadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear Surya ji,>Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? The answer is: All this development of jyotish vidya and the concept of Rasi chakra might have started around BC. 10000 or the like. You will find the supporting arguments and the research done related to this subject, in the works of Chandra hari, in the files section of this group (study and such pain staking efforts and please don't ask to spoon feed by continuing doubts on doubts). This is the answer I could provide, you like or dislike that answer is upto you. I can not explain why I said so in one or two mails and so won't like to discuss it further here. You

continue with your studies, at some point of time, if you feel that this answer had some value then I would be glad... Love,Sreenadhsurya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear members, Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? Please answer with out preaching about ego, sarcasm and lessons:-)) I am looking for factual dates, if available, or contemplate using available dates. No personal attacks please, :-)) INSTEAD attack the question. thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new

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Dear Andrews ji, Any one who is not treating the name of that great master without reverence is not really in the path of spirituality. Worshiped or not, he was an enlightened guru, who was so companionate towards the world and the people. He is one of the true masters who gave maximum importance to love and to realize the truth. May be Surya ji is a individual born in Christian religion (I don't know, and I won't like to ask as well. Because it is not the religions, but rather the ideas are important), and I am an individual without a religion (one who respects spirituality and ancient knowledge, but not at all blinded by religions) but one who respects all religions, I think it is not going to cause any problem. Of course the name of Jesus should be treated with reverence. The name of Jesus mentioned in previous mail by Surya ji was to express wonder, I think, similar to "Oh! God!", and I don't think that it had

any religious indications. The words "Om Nama Shivai!" seems to have been used in a similar sense to indicate "I bow to god, and stops here. My salutation to all living beings who are the embodiment of God' or the like. Also look at the words "Om Sri gurave Namah!" in the beginning, the contextual meaning of which could be, "After saluting my guru, (and receiving his blessings), I am starting to write/speak something" or the like. Such salutations to god or the name of god used to express wonder or the like should not be taken in their literal sense I think. May be surya ji have a different opinion about this, or may be he too feel the same. Better we should not worry about the god, and worry about ourselves. What ever we simple small creatures may speak or think, god (The great cosmic entity) knows better than us and handle things better than us. Instead of worrying about god we should worry about our selves, and try to realize god within us. Note:- If anybody feel that this line of discussion, (unintentional of ‘Jesus’) may lead to controversies, please don’t respond to this mail. After all Our's is an astrology group. Love, Sreenadh David Andrews <dprapus wrote: Dear Surya ji and Sreenadh ji, I am distressed to note that in your communications you bring the hallowed name of Jesus Christ who is worshipped by about a quarter of the world's population. Hope His name is treated with reverence. Thank you. David sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Surya ji,> See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of> factual dates Have you seen or studied the pain staking researches happened in that field, to make such a comment?> why is it so difficult to perceive it as a topic of research. It is a topic of research. Here and now, mainly for you. Every researchers and seekers has much work to do (in the field of astrology itself), and they are pre-occupied with their work, the huge amount of work we see before our eyes (or rather we see it as duties that should be done by us). (Chandrahari, Me and Many others are not exception to this statement) If you are one in that group of

seekers, toil with your subject (=area of study) and come out with something fruitful. Don't expect others to think for you. It is one of the primary rule in any true research.> I know shri chandra hari jee, his work, website etc. etc. The question is have you read his books, on the same. Have you seen and read his research efforts on trying to locate the beginning period of astrology and the concept of zodiac? There is a big book 'The Hindu Zodiac' dealing with the same by Hari in detail. You know hari or not is irrelevant, but have you read his efforts on the same is important as far as the question you select for yourself is concerned.> I can not stop our search.> so if possible add or leave it to others or to the fate of the question. Dear friend, it is 'your search', take the responsibly and proceed. All the best in your efforts. >every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is

valued. Truly said. And we know how valuable every drop is! So dear brother, be in touch, even if not you can't forget us!! Thanks! jesus christ! (We got a good friend, who really acts like a true foe)Om Nama Shivai! (Why you are giving me thorny bushes with fruits to toil with?!) Note to others: Dear All, am I right or wrong in the following statements? Thanks! jesus christ! (We got a good friend, who really acts like a true foe) Om Nama Shivai! (Why you are giving me thorny bushes with fruits to toil with?!) > Let me remind you, the first time I contacted you for Kerala shastras, your > response was, why not ask this question in Ancient_indian _astrology?

:-)) Surya contacted me by personal mail, and I requested him to ask his question in our group Ancient_Indian_Astrology. I think it was a right decision. What is your opinion? Love,Sreenadh surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, namaskar! Why you said so , could be some of your planets present in unfavourable positions:-)))))))))))))), making you comment sarcastically. See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of factual dates, like it should have been, you might call it foolish, egoistic, sarcastic, new fashion, etc. etc. but all these do not add a point to the

topic in discussion, and please I do not understand why you are under this impression that, I am looking for some answer, like I am appearing for some examination or some quiz etc., why is it so difficult to precieve it as a topic of research. I know shri chandra hari jee, his work, website etc. etc. let me explain again. XYZ is a topic of research, when it is placed in an open forum, members, individuals, people, persons, kids, masters, gurus, desciples etc. etc. if they have any information, it is up to them to share it or not, there is nothing here to feel burdened or a feel bad about the question, questionor or the subject itself. So please, if you gave some information, it is taken in its right spirit, there is no scope for extra comments, you know what I mean, let me tell you, I am very well aware of the knowledge base available for such a question, in india or outside. But I can not stop our search, and there is

no information ( spoon fed or not) available with you that can satify me, or anyone, but every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is valued. so if possible add or leave it to others or to the fate of the question. Thanks! jesus christ! Om Nama Shivai! SPIsree nadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear Surya ji,>Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? The answer is: All this development of jyotish vidya and the concept of Rasi chakra might have started around BC. 10000 or the like. You will find the supporting arguments and the research done related to this subject, in the works of Chandra hari, in the files section of this group (study and such pain staking efforts and please don't

ask to spoon feed by continuing doubts on doubts). This is the answer I could provide, you like or dislike that answer is upto you. I can not explain why I said so in one or two mails and so won't like to discuss it further here. You continue with your studies, at some point of time, if you feel that this answer had some value then I would be glad... Love,Sreenadhsurya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear members, Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth years? Please answer with out preaching about ego, sarcasm and lessons:-)) I am looking for factual dates, if available, or contemplate using available dates. No personal attacks please, :-)) INSTEAD attack the question. thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, namaskar! Again, confusing! :-)) Om Namah Shivai! SPIsree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Surya ji,> See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of> factual dates Have you seen or studied the pain staking researches happened in that field, to make such a comment?> why is it so difficult to perceive it as a topic of research. It is a

topic of research. Here and now, mainly for you. Every researchers and seekers has much work to do (in the field of astrology itself), and they are pre-occupied with their work, the huge amount of work we see before our eyes (or rather we see it as duties that should be done by us). (Chandrahari, Me and Many others are not exception to this statement) If you are one in that group of seekers, toil with your subject (=area of study) and come out with something fruitful. Don't expect others to think for you. It is one of the primary rule in any true research.> I know shri chandra hari jee, his work, website etc. etc. The question is have you read his books, on the same. Have you seen and read his research efforts on trying to locate the beginning period of astrology and the concept of zodiac? There is a big book 'The Hindu Zodiac' dealing with the same by Hari in detail. You know hari or not is irrelevant, but have you read his efforts on the

same is important as far as the question you select for yourself is concerned.> I can not stop our search.> so if possible add or leave it to others or to the fate of the question. Dear friend, it is 'your search', take the responsibly and proceed. All the best in your efforts. >every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is valued. Truly said. And we know how valuable every drop is! So dear brother, be in touch, even if not you can't forget us!! Thanks! jesus christ! (We got a good friend, who really acts like a true foe)Om Nama Shivai! (Why you are giving me thorny bushes with fruits to toil with?!) Note to others: Dear All, am I right or wrong in the following statements? Thanks! jesus christ! (We got a good

friend, who really acts like a true foe) Om Nama Shivai! (Why you are giving me thorny bushes with fruits to toil with?!) > Let me remind you, the first time I contacted you for Kerala shastras, your > response was, why not ask this question in Ancient_indian _astrology? :-)) Surya contacted me by personal mail, and I requested him to ask his question in our group Ancient_Indian_Astrology. I think it was a right decision. What is your opinion? Love,Sreenadh surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, namaskar! Why you said so , could be some of

your planets present in unfavourable positions:-)))))))))))))), making you comment sarcastically. See it is a research topic, which has not been addressed in real terms of factual dates, like it should have been, you might call it foolish, egoistic, sarcastic, new fashion, etc. etc. but all these do not add a point to the topic in discussion, and please I do not understand why you are under this impression that, I am looking for some answer, like I am appearing for some examination or some quiz etc., why is it so difficult to precieve it as a topic of research. I know shri chandra hari jee, his work, website etc. etc. let me explain again. XYZ is a topic of research, when it is placed in an open forum, members, individuals, people, persons, kids, masters, gurus, desciples etc. etc. if they have any information, it is up to them to share it or not, there is nothing here to feel burdened or a feel bad about the

question, questionor or the subject itself. So please, if you gave some information, it is taken in its right spirit, there is no scope for extra comments, you know what I mean, let me tell you, I am very well aware of the knowledge base available for such a question, in india or outside. But I can not stop our search, and there is no information ( spoon fed or not) available with you that can satify me, or anyone, but every drop is a part of the grand ocean, so every drop is valued. so if possible add or leave it to others or to the fate of the question. Thanks! jesus christ! Om Nama Shivai! SPIsree nadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear Surya ji,>Question is " how old is jyotish Vidya", in earth

years? The answer is: All this development of jyotish vidya and the concept of Rasi chakra might have started around BC. 10000 or the like. You will find the supporting arguments and the research done related to this subject, in the works of Chandra hari, in the files section of this group (study and such pain staking efforts and please don't ask to spoon feed by continuing doubts on doubts). This is the answer I could provide, you like or dislike that answer is upto you. I can not explain why I said so in one or two mails and so won't like to discuss it further here. You continue with your studies, at some point of time, if you feel that this answer had some value then I would be glad... Love,Sreenadhsurya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear members, Question is " how old is jyotish

Vidya", in earth years? Please answer with out preaching about ego, sarcasm and lessons:-)) I am looking for factual dates, if available, or contemplate using available dates. No personal attacks please, :-)) INSTEAD attack the question. thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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