Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Om Sri gurave namah! Dear Members, how old is vedic astrology? Om Namah Shivai! SPI All new Mail Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Dear Surya ji, Do we have any clear cut evidence even to say how old is Vedic culture?! Some consider vedas of as recent as BC 1500, and some consider vedas to be as old as at least BC 10,000. Where will we put us in this controversy?! The better suggestion would be study history and reach your own conclusion. * Then you will have an answer to the question, " How old is vedas, and Vedic astrology " . But now there is a twist!! Only a small part of ancient Indian astrology comes under the tag 'vedic'! * There was a Non-Vedic (Tantric) stream of astrology, may be in existence even from the period of Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization period. * There was a Jain stream of astrology in existence from Vedic period itself. Vedic astrology was mainly Sayana in nature, and gave more importance to stellar divisions whereas Non-Vedic astrology was mainly Nirayana in nature, and gave more importance to Sign divisions and the breath pattern. The Yogic foundation of astrology points to the fact that it is more of Non-Vedic in nature than Vedic! As you may know, probably the Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization period was the same as or prior to Vedic period. So if you ask the question " How old is ancient Indian astrology? " then the answer could be at least as old as Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization!! Now " How old is Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization? " It is your trouble.. Study history and try to locate. There too a lot of controversy regarding this. Love, Sreenadh --- surya ianala <suri_allam wrote: > Om Sri gurave namah! > Dear Members, > how old is vedic astrology? > Om Namah Shivai! > SPI > > > > > All new Mail > > Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your > Mail page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Sreenadh jee, One evidence for veda's as per swami ramaswarup is as following.Yajur veda cp 31, Rigveda Mandal 10 sukta 129, Atharvaveda 8/11/3-6 & Samaveda 617, say that the knowledge of four veda's were directly delivered by god at the time of creation of earth. Manu smariti Cp 1 Current age of the earth is: 7 manvanter, 28 chaturyugi, i.e.1 Arab, 96 crore, 8 lakh, 53002 years. Names of passed manvanters, Swayambhar, Swarochish, Ottmi, Tamas, Ryivat & Chakshash. calculation: 1 Manvanter = 71 Chaturyugi 1 Chaturyugi= four yugas, Satya, Treta, Dwapur, & Kaliyug. 1 Satya yuga = 17,28,000 years 1 Treta yuga = 12,96,000 years 1 Dwapur yuga = 8,64,000 years Kaliyuga = 4,32,000 years Total = 43,20,000 years = 1 chatruyuga x 71 = 30,67,20,000 years 1 Manvanter = 30,67,20,000 years x 6 manvanters passed + 28 chaturyugas of 7th manvanter, + 5200 years of current Kaliyuga = 1,96,08,53,002 years i.e. 1 Arab, 96 crore, 8 lakhs, 53 thousand and two years. Veda's are this old and so is earth. Another reference is Bhagvad geeta shloka 8/17. So sindhu saraswathy civilization, as per archeaological evidence dates back to 3100 BC to 1400 BC, in three phases, early , mature and late phase, it is true that these people were vedic in culture, but it does not say or confirm that veda's started here, possibility is veda's could have been revived or documented in this period, If you depend on science alone e.g. carbon dating etc, then we are not reaching anywhere. So if vedic astrology is a part of veda's then they are as old as earth and veda's, if developed by absorbing all the other streams of astrology, then The present form is around 3000 years old. Lord Vishnu reincarnated as Lord Krishna in dwapur yuga, i.e.before 5200 years, Lord rama in treta yuga, i.e. before 8,69,000 years. were they vedic, I think yes. hypothesis: There could be other older civilizations with or without evidence, it is for us to excavate, what ever we found till now is not final. So how old is jyotisha! :-)) Thanks Om Namah Shivai! SPI sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Surya ji,Do we have any clear cut evidence even to say howold is Vedic culture?!Some consider vedas of as recent as BC 1500, and someconsider vedas to be as old as at least BC 10,000.Where will we put us in this controversy?!The better suggestion would be study history andreach your own conclusion. * Then you will have an answer to the question, "Howold is vedas, and Vedic astrology".But now there is a twist!! Only a small part ofancient Indian astrology comes under the tag 'vedic'!* There was a Non-Vedic (Tantric) stream ofastrology, may be in existence even from the period ofSindhu-Saraswaty civilization period.* There was a Jain stream of astrology in existencefrom Vedic period itself.Vedic astrology was mainly Sayana in nature, and gavemore importance to stellar divisions whereas Non-Vedicastrology was mainly Nirayana in nature, and gave moreimportance to Sign divisions and the breath pattern.The Yogic foundation of astrology points to the factthat it is more of Non-Vedic in nature than Vedic!As you may know, probably the Sindhu-Saraswatycivilization period was the same as or prior to Vedicperiod. So if you ask the question "How old is ancientIndian astrology?" then the answer could be at leastas old as Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization!! Now "How oldis Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization?" It is yourtrouble.. Study history and try to locate. Theretoo a lot of controversy regarding this.Love,Sreenadh--- surya ianala <suri_allam (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:> Om Sri gurave namah!> Dear Members,> how old is vedic astrology?> Om Namah Shivai!> SPI> > > > > All new Mail > > Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your> Mail page. All new Mail Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Dear Surya ji, The Rishis were not fools and because of that the Yuga system is really a mathematical theory based on the precession of equinox and not a measure of human years! If you want to learn more read the articles in files section. If we respect the Rishis it is better not to under estimate or over estimate them. Just try to understand them as they are! >'How old is Jyothisha?' Are you interested in an answer, or just seeking an outlet chance to expose your knowledge on the same? Both way, you are welcome. Tell me - Which is the first book of astrology? If it is Skanda hora at which period this text originated? If it is Rig veda at which period this text originated? If God gave the Rig veda and the astrology contained in it to the seers, then Jotisha is as old as the god itself, and anybody asking 'How old is Jyothisha' is violating the god, beacuase he knows that Jyotisha is eternal, and still using the question as a tool for his ego fullfillment!! If he knows that Nirayana astrology is based on the original text 'Skanda hora' then such a person will not ask such a question, because he knows that it is difficult to ascertain the period of texts without enough evidences. All these are getting very beautiful! If somebody understands Yuga system in its proper way, then he won't argue based on that, because then he knows what and why the Rishi meant when he proposed the Yuga system! If somebody does not understand the Yuga system, then also he won't argue based on that, because then he knows that these huge numbers essentially escape his understanding and therefore shouldn't use them as argument base! Yes, it is half baked knowledge like mine is that asks questions and seeks for answers based on partial or false understanding!! But any way, how could we know that the knowledge bit were we placed our foot upon is soft or strong before hand?! When the doubts prevail even about the basics, how to catch the chains that are really linked to the original, and not give the false illusion and make us fall?! The only way is start from the originals. Learning is a direct process, evidences should be direct as far as possible. Let it be Spirituality or History this rule remains the same!!! P.S.:- A qn for all to meditate 'How old is Jyotisha?'. Just meditate and write down the thoughts that comes after that related to this subject. An answer to that qn is not expected (because an answer is not possible) but I request others to share their beautiful thoughts. Love, Sreenadh --- surya ianala <suri_allam wrote: > Om Sri gurave Namah! > Dear Sreenadh jee, > One evidence for veda's as per swami ramaswarup is > as following.Yajur veda cp 31, Rigveda Mandal 10 > sukta 129, Atharvaveda 8/11/3-6 & Samaveda 617, say > that the knowledge of four veda's were directly > delivered by god at the time of creation of earth. > Manu smariti Cp 1 > Current age of the earth is: 7 manvanter, 28 > chaturyugi, i.e.1 Arab, 96 crore, 8 lakh, 53002 > years. Names of passed manvanters, Swayambhar, > Swarochish, Ottmi, Tamas, Ryivat & Chakshash. > calculation: > 1 Manvanter = 71 Chaturyugi > 1 Chaturyugi= four yugas, Satya, Treta, Dwapur, & > Kaliyug. > 1 Satya yuga = 17,28,000 years > 1 Treta yuga = 12,96,000 years > 1 Dwapur yuga = 8,64,000 years > Kaliyuga = 4,32,000 years > Total = 43,20,000 years = 1 chatruyuga x 71 = > 30,67,20,000 years > 1 Manvanter = 30,67,20,000 years x 6 manvanters > passed + 28 chaturyugas of 7th manvanter, + 5200 > years of current Kaliyuga > = 1,96,08,53,002 years i.e. 1 Arab, 96 crore, 8 > lakhs, 53 thousand and two years. Veda's are this > old and so is earth. > Another reference is Bhagvad geeta shloka 8/17. > So sindhu saraswathy civilization, as per > archeaological evidence dates back to 3100 BC to > 1400 BC, in three phases, early , mature and late > phase, it is true that these people were vedic in > culture, but it does not say or confirm that veda's > started here, possibility is veda's could have been > revived or documented in this period, If you depend > on science alone e.g. carbon dating etc, then we are > not reaching anywhere. > So if vedic astrology is a part of veda's then > they are as old as earth and veda's, if developed by > absorbing all the other streams of astrology, then > The present form is around 3000 years old. > Lord Vishnu reincarnated as Lord Krishna in dwapur > yuga, i.e.before 5200 years, Lord rama in treta > yuga, i.e. before 8,69,000 years. were they vedic, I > think yes. > hypothesis: There could be other older > civilizations with or without evidence, it is for us > to excavate, what ever we found till now is not > final. > So how old is jyotisha! :-)) > Thanks > Om Namah Shivai! > SPI > > sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Surya ji, > Do we have any clear cut evidence even to say how > old is Vedic culture?! > Some consider vedas of as recent as BC 1500, and > some > consider vedas to be as old as at least BC 10,000. > Where will we put us in this controversy?! > The better suggestion would be study history and > reach your own conclusion. > * Then you will have an answer to the question, " How > old is vedas, and Vedic astrology " . > But now there is a twist!! Only a small part of > ancient Indian astrology comes under the tag > 'vedic'! > * There was a Non-Vedic (Tantric) stream of > astrology, may be in existence even from the period > of > Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization period. > * There was a Jain stream of astrology in existence > from Vedic period itself. > Vedic astrology was mainly Sayana in nature, and > gave > more importance to stellar divisions whereas > Non-Vedic > astrology was mainly Nirayana in nature, and gave > more > importance to Sign divisions and the breath pattern. > The Yogic foundation of astrology points to the fact > that it is more of Non-Vedic in nature than Vedic! > As you may know, probably the Sindhu-Saraswaty > civilization period was the same as or prior to > Vedic > period. So if you ask the question " How old is > ancient > Indian astrology? " then the answer could be at least > as old as Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization!! Now " How > old > is Sindhu-Saraswaty civilization? " It is your > trouble.. Study history and try to locate. > There > too a lot of controversy regarding this. > Love, > Sreenadh > > --- surya ianala <suri_allam wrote: > > > Om Sri gurave namah! > > Dear Members, > > how old is vedic astrology? > > Om Namah Shivai! > > SPI > > > > > > > > > > All new Mail > > > > Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your > > Mail page. > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > All new Mail > > Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your > Mail page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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