Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Resolving the Ayanamsha/Precession of equinoxes Mahakaal, shashwat and eternal, the Lord of Time has guided me in this attempt to resolve the issue of ayanamsha and the precession of equinox. The blessings of Brihaspati, Jupiter and Sun have shown the path in comprehending the natural patterns of time. I propose to suggest a unique and clear solution to the Zero of the Zodiac for Jyotish as also the rate of precession. It is based on the ancient concept of drikaganita. This study does not use any scriptural reference, fixed star or constellation, historical reference or any other assumption but is entirely based on an empirical search for patterns and data analysis of the Swiss Ephemeris data available to me through Jagannath Hora software. It suggests that the Zero of the Zodiac or the effect of the precession/ ayanamsha value can be derived independently and exactly from the data of the tropical ephemeris itself without any external input. The study proposes: Like the Sun and Moon opposition and conjunctions form the natural cycle for a month; similarly, Jupiter and Sun conjunction/opposition create a natural cycle defining not only a year but also the entire precessional cycle of 25800 years. The very genesis of the Zero of the Zodiac and thus the beginning of Aries/Mesh originates from this cycle. The rate of precession over this cycle is at present 288 minutes (4 Degrees 48 minutes) per 344 years plus 5 days. This 344 year cycle comprises of 320 conjunctions of Sun/Jupiter and is being termed as the Ujjayini Cycle. A single Jupiter/Sun conjunction/opposition leads to a precession of around 54 minutes. 24000 conjunctions/oppositions of Sun/Jupiter lead to a full 360 degrees precession over a present period of 25800 years but this could vary depending on the natural cycles of Sun/Jupiter over the years. The entire cycle would consist of 75 Ujjayini cycles of 344 years each with 25 cycles over 8600 years will lead to a 120 degree precession. Precession over a single rashi/sign would take 2150 years at the present rate. The most likely mathematical solution for Zero of the ayanamsha with respect to the Tropical Zero is either at the Autumn Equinox of 273 AD at a Sun/Jupiter conjunction at 29:13 Virgo (Tropical value) or the Vernal Equinox of 321 AD with a Sun /Jupiter opposition with Sun at 1 Aries and Jupiter at 1 Libra. Without any reference to Chitra, the Chitrapaksha/ Lahiri ayanamsha gets approximately validated. If the Zero is taken in 273, a correction of plus 9' 47'' is needed and if taken at 321 AD vernal Equinox, the correction is minus 29'57''. The correction would then be based on a progression of the Zero by 4'48'' in every 320 Su/Ju cycles in 344 years. This would suggest at a correction of Lahiri minus 29'57'' in 321 AD, the following ayanamsha values: Year Proposed ayanamsha Lahiri ayanamsha Difference 22 March, 321 0-0-00 0-29-56.97 - 29-56.97 27 march, 665 4-48-00 5-16-8.2 -28-8.2 2 April, 1009 9-36-00 10-3-9.98 - 27-9.98 6 April, 1353 14-24-00 14-50-6.66 -26-6.66 11 April 1697 19- 12-00 19-38- 6.20 -26-6.20 16 April,2041 24-00-00 24-25-48.25 -25-48.25 21 April, 2385 28-48-00 29-14-47.60 -26-47.60 As is evident, the focus is on cycles regarding Sun/Jupiter conjunctions/oppositions. These cycles need to be studied separately in the Tropical Ephemeris and in any ayanamsha corrected ephemeris. The integration of the two sets of data has brought these proposals which stem from the following observations: Jupiter moves at varying speeds in different signs/rashis in different months. When conjunct with Sun its geocentric speed is 6:30/7 degrees/month. Slowing down till retrograde, then moving in the opposite side and finally moving fast again at the next conjunction. A key pointer is that the movement of Jupiter is different in different Rashis/signs. A full cycle of Jupiter conjunctions over 12 years shows the key pattern of only 11 conjunctions with no conjunction in one of the 12 signs. The synodic cycle of Jupiter is different and varying when Jupiter is in different rashis. In a tropical conjunction cycle the differential of the progression of two consecutive conjunctions between two consecutive signs varies over time in accordance with precessional effect, it does not do so in the ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris and the progressive differential is always minimal at the cusp of Libra/Virgo. An observation of the differential of progressions between different signs in a multiple synodic cycle of Jupiter on the Tropical Zodiac with 83 calendar years as the unit, spread over –4700 BC to 5300 AD strikingly reveals the shifts over every 1075/2100 years. Simple graphs of this data show how simply the various tropical signs are shifting according to the placement of the Zero of the Zodiac and provide unique values not only at 285AD in the conjunction cycle and 321 Ad in the opposition cycle but at every 2100 year interval on both sides of the zero. The patterns emerging are similar to a single one year cycle of Jupiter. The elegance and simplicity of the macro linkage of a Jupiter cycle of 25800 years with the micro one year cycle is amazingly breathtaking. Separately, in an ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris, observation of the multiple long term cycles of Jupiter conjunctions/opposition with Sun reveals that in every 344 years and five days or 319 conjunctions/oppositions; Jupiter and Sun return to nearly the same point in the Zodiac. This natural cycle like the others which are known, the Metonic cycle; the Saros cycle runs in a series. From any date in a calendar and using an ayanamsha adjusted nirayaana ephemeris, to any other date 344 years+4/5 days away will lead to nearly the same position of Jupiter as well as Sun. This is the cycle being termed as the Ujjayini Cycle being used to understand the rate of precession. This 25800 year cycle at present suggests an average 50.23 arc seconds of precession every year. The data used for analyzing as well as the detailed illustrated study is being posted as a file. The excel charts in themselves reveal the story of the moving zodiac itself deriving the precession from the equinox in any year uniquely. The sheer simplicity of measuring the precessional values; the elegant symphonic and synchronised movements of the cycles over years is what nature has provided us and the Lord of Time, Mahakaaleshwar has guided me. Before, I conclude this; I must express my gratitude to Shri PVR Narasimha Rao, the creator of Jagannath Hora, without which this study could not have been possible. I am also grateful to Shri Sanjay Rath whose lucid use of symbols in explaining Jyotisha helped me. Finally, I need to convey my thanks and regards to Shri Rohiniranjan, poet, philosopher, a veteran student of Jyotisha for forty years and a human being par excellence with whom I interacted on this project for many months and despite hopeless forays in many blind alleys his constant encouragement was a source of inspiration in this effort. I remain votive to sunshine as always, Rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear All, Congratulations. I appreciate such primary studies using a single tool (and not using classical sidhantic references) which brings out the importance of natural planetary cycles, and the value of the in- depth scientific and historical studies like the one conducted by Chandra Hari. What strikes me is the use of natural planetary cycles used by both Rishi and Chandrahari. 1) Rishi uses Su and Ju only - but C Hari uses all the planets. 2) Rishi uses the JHora only - C Hari depends on scientific data. 3) Rishi does not use Sidhantic reference - But C Hari uses all the possible available references and depends on the best and oldest sidhantic references available on the same i.e. Surya sidhanta and Arbhatiya. 4) A comparison of the documents provides the difference in the astronomical understandings they have used to derive the conclusions. 5) Both of them are unique studies, and thus appreciable. The uniqueness and independent path selected for the study is truly appreciable. Thanks for the good mail. Hopes to see more such good mails from Rishi. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " rishi_2000in " <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > Resolving the Ayanamsha/Precession of equinoxes > > > > Mahakaal, shashwat and eternal, the Lord of Time has guided me in this > attempt to resolve the issue of ayanamsha and the precession of equinox. > The blessings of Brihaspati, Jupiter and Sun have shown the path in > comprehending the natural patterns of time. I propose to suggest a > unique and clear solution to the Zero of the Zodiac for Jyotish as also > the rate of precession. It is based on the ancient concept of > drikaganita. > > > > This study does not use any scriptural reference, fixed star or > constellation, historical reference or any other assumption but is > entirely based on an empirical search for patterns and data analysis of > the Swiss Ephemeris data available to me through Jagannath Hora > software. It suggests that the Zero of the Zodiac or the effect of the > precession/ ayanamsha value can be derived independently and exactly > from the data of the tropical ephemeris itself without any external > input. > > > > The study proposes: > > > > 1. Like the Sun and Moon opposition and conjunctions form the natural > cycle for a month; similarly, Jupiter and Sun conjunction/opposition > create a natural cycle defining not only a year but also the entire > precessional cycle of 25800 years. The very genesis of the Zero of the > Zodiac and thus the beginning of Aries/Mesh originates from this cycle. > 2. The rate of precession over this cycle is at present 288 minutes > (4 Degrees 48 minutes) per 344 years plus 5 days. This 344 year cycle > comprises of 320 conjunctions of Sun/Jupiter and is being termed as the > Ujjayini Cycle. > 3. A single Jupiter/Sun conjunction/opposition leads to a precession > of around 54 minutes. > 4. 24000 conjunctions/oppositions of Sun/Jupiter lead to a full 360 > degrees precession over a present period of 25800 years but this could > vary depending on the natural cycles of Sun/Jupiter over the years. > 5. The entire cycle would consist of 75 Ujjayini cycles of 344 years > each with 25 cycles over 8600 years will lead to a 120 degree > precession. > 6. Precession over a single rashi/sign would take 2150 years at the > present rate. > 7. The most likely mathematical solution for Zero of the ayanamsha > with respect to the Tropical Zero is either at the Autumn Equinox of 273 > AD at a Sun/Jupiter conjunction at 29:13 Virgo (Tropical value) or the > Vernal Equinox of 321 AD with a Sun /Jupiter opposition with Sun at 1 > Aries and Jupiter at 1 Libra. > 8. Without any reference to Chitra, the Chitrapaksha/ Lahiri > ayanamsha gets approximately validated. If the Zero is taken in 273, a > correction of plus 9' 47'' is needed and if taken at 321 AD vernal > Equinox, the correction is minus 29'57''. > 9. The correction would then be based on a progression of the Zero by > 4'48'' in every 320 Su/Ju cycles in 344 years. > 10. This would suggest at a correction of Lahiri minus > 29'57'' in 321 AD, the following ayanamsha values: > > > > Year > > Proposed ayanamsha > > Lahiri ayanamsha > > Difference > > 22 March, 321 > > 0-0-00 > > 0-29-56.97 > > - 29-56.97 > > 27 march, 665 > > 4-48-00 > > 5-16-8.2 > > -28-8.2 > > 2 April, 1009 > > 9-36-00 > > 10-3-9.98 > > - 27-9.98 > > 6 April, 1353 > > 14-24-00 > > 14-50-6.66 > > -26-6.66 > > 11 April 1697 > > 19- 12-00 > > 19-38- 6.20 > > -26-6.20 > > 16 April,2041 > > 24-00-00 > > 24-25-48.25 > > -25-48.25 > > 21 April, 2385 > > 28-48-00 > > 29-14-47.60 > > -26-47.60 > > > > > > As is evident, the focus is on cycles regarding Sun/Jupiter > conjunctions/oppositions. These cycles need to be studied separately in > the Tropical Ephemeris and in any ayanamsha corrected ephemeris. The > integration of the two sets of data has brought these proposals which > stem from the following observations: > > > > 1. Jupiter moves at varying speeds in different signs/rashis in > different months. When conjunct with Sun its geocentric speed is 6: 30/7 > degrees/month. Slowing down till retrograde, then moving in the opposite > side and finally moving fast again at the next conjunction. A key > pointer is that the movement of Jupiter is different in different > Rashis/signs. > 2. A full cycle of Jupiter conjunctions over 12 years shows the key > pattern of only 11 conjunctions with no conjunction in one of the 12 > signs. The synodic cycle of Jupiter is different and varying when > Jupiter is in different rashis. > 3. In a tropical conjunction cycle the differential of the > progression of two consecutive conjunctions between two consecutive > signs varies over time in accordance with precessional effect, it does > not do so in the ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris and the progressive > differential is always minimal at the cusp of Libra/Virgo. > 4. An observation of the differential of progressions between > different signs in a multiple synodic cycle of Jupiter on the Tropical > Zodiac with 83 calendar years as the unit, spread over –4700 BC to > 5300 AD strikingly reveals the shifts over every 1075/2100 years. > Simple graphs of this data show how simply the various tropical signs > are shifting according to the placement of the Zero of the Zodiac and > provide unique values not only at 285AD in the conjunction cycle and > 321 Ad in the opposition cycle but at every 2100 year interval on both > sides of the zero. > 5. The patterns emerging are similar to a single one year cycle of > Jupiter. The elegance and simplicity of the macro linkage of a Jupiter > cycle of 25800 years with the micro one year cycle is amazingly > breathtaking. > 6. Separately, in an ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris, observation of the > multiple long term cycles of Jupiter conjunctions/opposition with Sun > reveals that in every 344 years and five days or 319 > conjunctions/oppositions; Jupiter and Sun return to nearly the same > point in the Zodiac. This natural cycle like the others which are known, > the Metonic cycle; the Saros cycle runs in a series. From any date in a > calendar and using an ayanamsha adjusted nirayaana ephemeris, to any > other date 344 years+4/5 days away will lead to nearly the same position > of Jupiter as well as Sun. This is the cycle being termed as the > Ujjayini Cycle being used to understand the rate of precession. This > 25800 year cycle at present suggests an average 50.23 arc seconds of > precession every year. > > > > The data used for analyzing as well as the detailed illustrated study is > being posted as a file. The excel charts in themselves reveal the story > of the moving zodiac itself deriving the precession from the equinox in > any year uniquely. > > The sheer simplicity of measuring the precessional values; the elegant > symphonic and synchronised movements of the cycles over years is what > nature has provided us and the Lord of Time, Mahakaaleshwar has guided > me. > > > > Before, I conclude this; I must express my gratitude to Shri PVR > Narasimha Rao, the creator of Jagannath Hora, without which this study > could not have been possible. I am also grateful to Shri Sanjay Rath > whose lucid use of symbols in explaining Jyotisha helped me. > Finally, I need to convey my thanks and regards to Shri Rohiniranjan, > poet, philosopher, a veteran student of Jyotisha for forty years and a > human being par excellence with whom I interacted on this project for > many months and despite hopeless forays in many blind alleys his > constant encouragement was a source of inspiration in this effort. > > > > I remain votive to sunshine as always, > > > > Rishi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Sreenadhji, Thankyou for going through the paper I posted.I found it remarkable the way Jupiter combines with Sun to create this magnificient cycle. Simple yet timeless. Though I have not used Siddhantic references deliberately,yet I am not proposing anything really new. Our ancient seers had this knowledge it just got lost. While we study and read and teach Jyotisha, we do not notice some of the basics. Like Guru travels at different speeds in different rashis. That this is observable, noticeable and leads to all my conclusions. Just observing how Guru moves is enough, nature is so simple! Infact,the astronomical modules regarding the projection of planetary positions seem to be offcentre in the ancient period. Shri Chandrahari is much more knowledgable and learned.I have read his articles, I would like to send a copy of my study to him. regards rishi , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear All, > Congratulations. I appreciate such primary studies using a single > tool (and not using classical sidhantic references) which brings out > the importance of natural planetary cycles, and the value of the in- > depth scientific and historical studies like the one conducted by > Chandra Hari. > > What strikes me is the use of natural planetary cycles used by both > Rishi and Chandrahari. > 1) Rishi uses Su and Ju only - but C Hari uses all the planets. > 2) Rishi uses the JHora only - C Hari depends on scientific data. > 3) Rishi does not use Sidhantic reference - But C Hari uses all the > possible available references and depends on the best and oldest > sidhantic references available on the same i.e. Surya sidhanta and > Arbhatiya. > 4) A comparison of the documents provides the difference in the > astronomical understandings they have used to derive the conclusions. > 5) Both of them are unique studies, and thus appreciable. > > The uniqueness and independent path selected for the study is truly > appreciable. Thanks for the good mail. Hopes to see more such good > mails from Rishi. > > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " rishi_2000in " > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Resolving the Ayanamsha/Precession of equinoxes > > > > > > > > Mahakaal, shashwat and eternal, the Lord of Time has guided me in > this > > attempt to resolve the issue of ayanamsha and the precession of > equinox. > > The blessings of Brihaspati, Jupiter and Sun have shown the path in > > comprehending the natural patterns of time. I propose to suggest a > > unique and clear solution to the Zero of the Zodiac for Jyotish as > also > > the rate of precession. It is based on the ancient concept of > > drikaganita. > > > > > > > > This study does not use any scriptural reference, fixed star or > > constellation, historical reference or any other assumption but is > > entirely based on an empirical search for patterns and data analysis > of > > the Swiss Ephemeris data available to me through Jagannath Hora > > software. It suggests that the Zero of the Zodiac or the effect of > the > > precession/ ayanamsha value can be derived independently and exactly > > from the data of the tropical ephemeris itself without any external > > input. > > > > > > > > The study proposes: > > > > > > > > 1. Like the Sun and Moon opposition and conjunctions form the > natural > > cycle for a month; similarly, Jupiter and Sun conjunction/opposition > > create a natural cycle defining not only a year but also the entire > > precessional cycle of 25800 years. The very genesis of the Zero of > the > > Zodiac and thus the beginning of Aries/Mesh originates from this > cycle. > > 2. The rate of precession over this cycle is at present 288 > minutes > > (4 Degrees 48 minutes) per 344 years plus 5 days. This 344 year > cycle > > comprises of 320 conjunctions of Sun/Jupiter and is being termed as > the > > Ujjayini Cycle. > > 3. A single Jupiter/Sun conjunction/opposition leads to a > precession > > of around 54 minutes. > > 4. 24000 conjunctions/oppositions of Sun/Jupiter lead to a full > 360 > > degrees precession over a present period of 25800 years but this > could > > vary depending on the natural cycles of Sun/Jupiter over the years. > > 5. The entire cycle would consist of 75 Ujjayini cycles of 344 > years > > each with 25 cycles over 8600 years will lead to a 120 degree > > precession. > > 6. Precession over a single rashi/sign would take 2150 years at > the > > present rate. > > 7. The most likely mathematical solution for Zero of the > ayanamsha > > with respect to the Tropical Zero is either at the Autumn Equinox of > 273 > > AD at a Sun/Jupiter conjunction at 29:13 Virgo (Tropical value) or > the > > Vernal Equinox of 321 AD with a Sun /Jupiter opposition with Sun at > 1 > > Aries and Jupiter at 1 Libra. > > 8. Without any reference to Chitra, the Chitrapaksha/ Lahiri > > ayanamsha gets approximately validated. If the Zero is taken in > 273, a > > correction of plus 9' 47'' is needed and if taken at 321 AD vernal > > Equinox, the correction is minus 29'57''. > > 9. The correction would then be based on a progression of the > Zero by > > 4'48'' in every 320 Su/Ju cycles in 344 years. > > 10. This would suggest at a correction of Lahiri minus > > 29'57'' in 321 AD, the following ayanamsha values: > > > > > > > > Year > > > > Proposed ayanamsha > > > > Lahiri ayanamsha > > > > Difference > > > > 22 March, 321 > > > > 0-0-00 > > > > 0-29-56.97 > > > > - 29-56.97 > > > > 27 march, 665 > > > > 4-48-00 > > > > 5-16-8.2 > > > > -28-8.2 > > > > 2 April, 1009 > > > > 9-36-00 > > > > 10-3-9.98 > > > > - 27-9.98 > > > > 6 April, 1353 > > > > 14-24-00 > > > > 14-50-6.66 > > > > -26-6.66 > > > > 11 April 1697 > > > > 19- 12-00 > > > > 19-38- 6.20 > > > > -26-6.20 > > > > 16 April,2041 > > > > 24-00-00 > > > > 24-25-48.25 > > > > -25-48.25 > > > > 21 April, 2385 > > > > 28-48-00 > > > > 29-14-47.60 > > > > -26-47.60 > > > > > > > > > > > > As is evident, the focus is on cycles regarding Sun/Jupiter > > conjunctions/oppositions. These cycles need to be studied separately > in > > the Tropical Ephemeris and in any ayanamsha corrected ephemeris. The > > integration of the two sets of data has brought these proposals > which > > stem from the following observations: > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter moves at varying speeds in different signs/rashis in > > different months. When conjunct with Sun its geocentric speed is 6: > 30/7 > > degrees/month. Slowing down till retrograde, then moving in the > opposite > > side and finally moving fast again at the next conjunction. A key > > pointer is that the movement of Jupiter is different in different > > Rashis/signs. > > 2. A full cycle of Jupiter conjunctions over 12 years shows the > key > > pattern of only 11 conjunctions with no conjunction in one of the 12 > > signs. The synodic cycle of Jupiter is different and varying when > > Jupiter is in different rashis. > > 3. In a tropical conjunction cycle the differential of the > > progression of two consecutive conjunctions between two consecutive > > signs varies over time in accordance with precessional effect, it > does > > not do so in the ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris and the progressive > > differential is always minimal at the cusp of Libra/Virgo. > > 4. An observation of the differential of progressions between > > different signs in a multiple synodic cycle of Jupiter on the > Tropical > > Zodiac with 83 calendar years as the unit, spread over –4700 BC to > > 5300 AD strikingly reveals the shifts over every 1075/2100 years. > > Simple graphs of this data show how simply the various tropical > signs > > are shifting according to the placement of the Zero of the Zodiac > and > > provide unique values not only at 285AD in the conjunction cycle > and > > 321 Ad in the opposition cycle but at every 2100 year interval on > both > > sides of the zero. > > 5. The patterns emerging are similar to a single one year cycle > of > > Jupiter. The elegance and simplicity of the macro linkage of a > Jupiter > > cycle of 25800 years with the micro one year cycle is amazingly > > breathtaking. > > 6. Separately, in an ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris, observation > of the > > multiple long term cycles of Jupiter conjunctions/opposition with > Sun > > reveals that in every 344 years and five days or 319 > > conjunctions/oppositions; Jupiter and Sun return to nearly the same > > point in the Zodiac. This natural cycle like the others which are > known, > > the Metonic cycle; the Saros cycle runs in a series. From any date > in a > > calendar and using an ayanamsha adjusted nirayaana ephemeris, to any > > other date 344 years+4/5 days away will lead to nearly the same > position > > of Jupiter as well as Sun. This is the cycle being termed as the > > Ujjayini Cycle being used to understand the rate of precession. This > > 25800 year cycle at present suggests an average 50.23 arc seconds of > > precession every year. > > > > > > > > The data used for analyzing as well as the detailed illustrated > study is > > being posted as a file. The excel charts in themselves reveal the > story > > of the moving zodiac itself deriving the precession from the equinox > in > > any year uniquely. > > > > The sheer simplicity of measuring the precessional values; the > elegant > > symphonic and synchronised movements of the cycles over years is > what > > nature has provided us and the Lord of Time, Mahakaaleshwar has > guided > > me. > > > > > > > > Before, I conclude this; I must express my gratitude to Shri PVR > > Narasimha Rao, the creator of Jagannath Hora, without which this > study > > could not have been possible. I am also grateful to Shri Sanjay Rath > > whose lucid use of symbols in explaining Jyotisha helped me. > > Finally, I need to convey my thanks and regards to Shri > Rohiniranjan, > > poet, philosopher, a veteran student of Jyotisha for forty years and > a > > human being par excellence with whom I interacted on this project > for > > many months and despite hopeless forays in many blind alleys his > > constant encouragement was a source of inspiration in this effort. > > > > > > > > I remain votive to sunshine as always, > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Dear Rishi ji, > nature is so simple! yap, but still complex! For Newton's law of gravitation is simple and easy to comprehend. But the complex derivations used by Einstein explains it better. May be the simplicity hidden within the complexity provides its beauty to nature and its phenomenon. Who knows, we are all still kids.. Simplicity and rhythm imparts beauty to everything... May be that is the way we should look at everything...at least life and nature... > Shri Chandrahari is much more knowledgeable and learned. I have read > his articles, I would like to send a copy of my study to him. I appreciate that. Please keep up the communication with him, even if some of his words might irritate you. Don't let ego come between your effort to convince each other. Remember that, new revelations may sprung up from such communications.. It is truth and sincere study that is important and not the persons... Love, Sreenadh , " rishi_2000in " <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Sreenadhji, > Thankyou for going through the paper I posted.I found it remarkable > the way Jupiter combines with Sun to create this magnificient cycle. > Simple yet timeless. > Though I have not used Siddhantic references deliberately,yet I am > not proposing anything really new. Our ancient seers had this > knowledge it just got lost. While we study and read and teach > Jyotisha, we do not notice some of the basics. Like Guru travels at > different speeds in different rashis. That this is observable, > noticeable and leads to all my conclusions. > Just observing how Guru moves is enough, nature is so simple! > Infact,the astronomical modules regarding the projection of planetary > positions seem to be offcentre in the ancient period. > Shri Chandrahari is much more knowledgable and learned.I have read > his articles, I would like to send a copy of my study to him. > regards > > rishi > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > Congratulations. I appreciate such primary studies using a single > > tool (and not using classical sidhantic references) which brings > out > > the importance of natural planetary cycles, and the value of the in- > > depth scientific and historical studies like the one conducted by > > Chandra Hari. > > > > What strikes me is the use of natural planetary cycles used by > both > > Rishi and Chandrahari. > > 1) Rishi uses Su and Ju only - but C Hari uses all the planets. > > 2) Rishi uses the JHora only - C Hari depends on scientific data. > > 3) Rishi does not use Sidhantic reference - But C Hari uses all > the > > possible available references and depends on the best and oldest > > sidhantic references available on the same i.e. Surya sidhanta and > > Arbhatiya. > > 4) A comparison of the documents provides the difference in the > > astronomical understandings they have used to derive the > conclusions. > > 5) Both of them are unique studies, and thus appreciable. > > > > The uniqueness and independent path selected for the study is > truly > > appreciable. Thanks for the good mail. Hopes to see more such good > > mails from Rishi. > > > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " rishi_2000in " > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Resolving the Ayanamsha/Precession of equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahakaal, shashwat and eternal, the Lord of Time has guided me > in > > this > > > attempt to resolve the issue of ayanamsha and the precession of > > equinox. > > > The blessings of Brihaspati, Jupiter and Sun have shown the path > in > > > comprehending the natural patterns of time. I propose to suggest a > > > unique and clear solution to the Zero of the Zodiac for Jyotish > as > > also > > > the rate of precession. It is based on the ancient concept of > > > drikaganita. > > > > > > > > > > > > This study does not use any scriptural reference, fixed star or > > > constellation, historical reference or any other assumption but is > > > entirely based on an empirical search for patterns and data > analysis > > of > > > the Swiss Ephemeris data available to me through Jagannath Hora > > > software. It suggests that the Zero of the Zodiac or the effect > of > > the > > > precession/ ayanamsha value can be derived independently and > exactly > > > from the data of the tropical ephemeris itself without any > external > > > input. > > > > > > > > > > > > The study proposes: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Like the Sun and Moon opposition and conjunctions form the > > natural > > > cycle for a month; similarly, Jupiter and Sun > conjunction/opposition > > > create a natural cycle defining not only a year but also the > entire > > > precessional cycle of 25800 years. The very genesis of the Zero > of > > the > > > Zodiac and thus the beginning of Aries/Mesh originates from this > > cycle. > > > 2. The rate of precession over this cycle is at present 288 > > minutes > > > (4 Degrees 48 minutes) per 344 years plus 5 days. This 344 year > > cycle > > > comprises of 320 conjunctions of Sun/Jupiter and is being termed > as > > the > > > Ujjayini Cycle. > > > 3. A single Jupiter/Sun conjunction/opposition leads to a > > precession > > > of around 54 minutes. > > > 4. 24000 conjunctions/oppositions of Sun/Jupiter lead to a > full > > 360 > > > degrees precession over a present period of 25800 years but this > > could > > > vary depending on the natural cycles of Sun/Jupiter over the > years. > > > 5. The entire cycle would consist of 75 Ujjayini cycles of > 344 > > years > > > each with 25 cycles over 8600 years will lead to a 120 degree > > > precession. > > > 6. Precession over a single rashi/sign would take 2150 years > at > > the > > > present rate. > > > 7. The most likely mathematical solution for Zero of the > > ayanamsha > > > with respect to the Tropical Zero is either at the Autumn Equinox > of > > 273 > > > AD at a Sun/Jupiter conjunction at 29:13 Virgo (Tropical value) > or > > the > > > Vernal Equinox of 321 AD with a Sun /Jupiter opposition with Sun > at > > 1 > > > Aries and Jupiter at 1 Libra. > > > 8. Without any reference to Chitra, the Chitrapaksha/ Lahiri > > > ayanamsha gets approximately validated. If the Zero is taken in > > 273, a > > > correction of plus 9' 47'' is needed and if taken at 321 AD vernal > > > Equinox, the correction is minus 29'57''. > > > 9. The correction would then be based on a progression of the > > Zero by > > > 4'48'' in every 320 Su/Ju cycles in 344 years. > > > 10. This would suggest at a correction of Lahiri minus > > > 29'57'' in 321 AD, the following ayanamsha values: > > > > > > > > > > > > Year > > > > > > Proposed ayanamsha > > > > > > Lahiri ayanamsha > > > > > > Difference > > > > > > 22 March, 321 > > > > > > 0-0-00 > > > > > > 0-29-56.97 > > > > > > - 29-56.97 > > > > > > 27 march, 665 > > > > > > 4-48-00 > > > > > > 5-16-8.2 > > > > > > -28-8.2 > > > > > > 2 April, 1009 > > > > > > 9-36-00 > > > > > > 10-3-9.98 > > > > > > - 27-9.98 > > > > > > 6 April, 1353 > > > > > > 14-24-00 > > > > > > 14-50-6.66 > > > > > > -26-6.66 > > > > > > 11 April 1697 > > > > > > 19- 12-00 > > > > > > 19-38- 6.20 > > > > > > -26-6.20 > > > > > > 16 April,2041 > > > > > > 24-00-00 > > > > > > 24-25-48.25 > > > > > > -25-48.25 > > > > > > 21 April, 2385 > > > > > > 28-48-00 > > > > > > 29-14-47.60 > > > > > > -26-47.60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As is evident, the focus is on cycles regarding Sun/Jupiter > > > conjunctions/oppositions. These cycles need to be studied > separately > > in > > > the Tropical Ephemeris and in any ayanamsha corrected ephemeris. > The > > > integration of the two sets of data has brought these proposals > > which > > > stem from the following observations: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter moves at varying speeds in different signs/rashis > in > > > different months. When conjunct with Sun its geocentric speed is > 6: > > 30/7 > > > degrees/month. Slowing down till retrograde, then moving in the > > opposite > > > side and finally moving fast again at the next conjunction. A key > > > pointer is that the movement of Jupiter is different in different > > > Rashis/signs. > > > 2. A full cycle of Jupiter conjunctions over 12 years shows > the > > key > > > pattern of only 11 conjunctions with no conjunction in one of the > 12 > > > signs. The synodic cycle of Jupiter is different and varying when > > > Jupiter is in different rashis. > > > 3. In a tropical conjunction cycle the differential of the > > > progression of two consecutive conjunctions between two > consecutive > > > signs varies over time in accordance with precessional effect, it > > does > > > not do so in the ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris and the progressive > > > differential is always minimal at the cusp of Libra/Virgo. > > > 4. An observation of the differential of progressions between > > > different signs in a multiple synodic cycle of Jupiter on the > > Tropical > > > Zodiac with 83 calendar years as the unit, spread over –4700 BC > to > > > 5300 AD strikingly reveals the shifts over every 1075/2100 years. > > > Simple graphs of this data show how simply the various tropical > > signs > > > are shifting according to the placement of the Zero of the Zodiac > > and > > > provide unique values not only at 285AD in the conjunction cycle > > and > > > 321 Ad in the opposition cycle but at every 2100 year interval on > > both > > > sides of the zero. > > > 5. The patterns emerging are similar to a single one year > cycle > > of > > > Jupiter. The elegance and simplicity of the macro linkage of a > > Jupiter > > > cycle of 25800 years with the micro one year cycle is amazingly > > > breathtaking. > > > 6. Separately, in an ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris, > observation > > of the > > > multiple long term cycles of Jupiter conjunctions/opposition with > > Sun > > > reveals that in every 344 years and five days or 319 > > > conjunctions/oppositions; Jupiter and Sun return to nearly the > same > > > point in the Zodiac. This natural cycle like the others which are > > known, > > > the Metonic cycle; the Saros cycle runs in a series. From any > date > > in a > > > calendar and using an ayanamsha adjusted nirayaana ephemeris, to > any > > > other date 344 years+4/5 days away will lead to nearly the same > > position > > > of Jupiter as well as Sun. This is the cycle being termed as the > > > Ujjayini Cycle being used to understand the rate of precession. > This > > > 25800 year cycle at present suggests an average 50.23 arc seconds > of > > > precession every year. > > > > > > > > > > > > The data used for analyzing as well as the detailed illustrated > > study is > > > being posted as a file. The excel charts in themselves reveal the > > story > > > of the moving zodiac itself deriving the precession from the > equinox > > in > > > any year uniquely. > > > > > > The sheer simplicity of measuring the precessional values; the > > elegant > > > symphonic and synchronised movements of the cycles over years is > > what > > > nature has provided us and the Lord of Time, Mahakaaleshwar has > > guided > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Before, I conclude this; I must express my gratitude to Shri PVR > > > Narasimha Rao, the creator of Jagannath Hora, without which this > > study > > > could not have been possible. I am also grateful to Shri Sanjay > Rath > > > whose lucid use of symbols in explaining Jyotisha helped me. > > > Finally, I need to convey my thanks and regards to Shri > > Rohiniranjan, > > > poet, philosopher, a veteran student of Jyotisha for forty years > and > > a > > > human being par excellence with whom I interacted on this project > > for > > > many months and despite hopeless forays in many blind alleys his > > > constant encouragement was a source of inspiration in this effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > I remain votive to sunshine as always, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Sreenadhji, Very true. Yet even the big picture of Einstein so simple, matter and energy indestructible almost metaphysical, the way pure physics research is going these days. regards rishi , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Rishi ji, > > nature is so simple! > yap, but still complex! For Newton's law of gravitation is simple > and easy to comprehend. But the complex derivations used by Einstein > explains it better. May be the simplicity hidden within the > complexity provides its beauty to nature and its phenomenon. Who > knows, we are all still kids.. > Simplicity and rhythm imparts beauty to everything... May be that is > the way we should look at everything...at least life and nature... > > > Shri Chandrahari is much more knowledgeable and learned. I have > read > > his articles, I would like to send a copy of my study to him. > > I appreciate that. Please keep up the communication with him, even > if some of his words might irritate you. Don't let ego come between > your effort to convince each other. Remember that, new revelations > may sprung up from such communications.. It is truth and sincere > study that is important and not the persons... > Love, > Sreenadh > > > , " rishi_2000in " > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Sreenadhji, > > Thankyou for going through the paper I posted.I found it remarkable > > the way Jupiter combines with Sun to create this magnificient cycle. > > Simple yet timeless. > > Though I have not used Siddhantic references deliberately,yet I am > > not proposing anything really new. Our ancient seers had this > > knowledge it just got lost. While we study and read and teach > > Jyotisha, we do not notice some of the basics. Like Guru travels at > > different speeds in different rashis. That this is observable, > > noticeable and leads to all my conclusions. > > Just observing how Guru moves is enough, nature is so simple! > > Infact,the astronomical modules regarding the projection of > planetary > > positions seem to be offcentre in the ancient period. > > Shri Chandrahari is much more knowledgable and learned.I have read > > his articles, I would like to send a copy of my study to him. > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > Congratulations. I appreciate such primary studies using a > single > > > tool (and not using classical sidhantic references) which brings > > out > > > the importance of natural planetary cycles, and the value of the > in- > > > depth scientific and historical studies like the one conducted by > > > Chandra Hari. > > > > > > What strikes me is the use of natural planetary cycles used by > > both > > > Rishi and Chandrahari. > > > 1) Rishi uses Su and Ju only - but C Hari uses all the planets. > > > 2) Rishi uses the JHora only - C Hari depends on scientific data. > > > 3) Rishi does not use Sidhantic reference - But C Hari uses all > > the > > > possible available references and depends on the best and oldest > > > sidhantic references available on the same i.e. Surya sidhanta > and > > > Arbhatiya. > > > 4) A comparison of the documents provides the difference in the > > > astronomical understandings they have used to derive the > > conclusions. > > > 5) Both of them are unique studies, and thus appreciable. > > > > > > The uniqueness and independent path selected for the study is > > truly > > > appreciable. Thanks for the good mail. Hopes to see more such > good > > > mails from Rishi. > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- In , " rishi_2000in " > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Resolving the Ayanamsha/Precession of equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahakaal, shashwat and eternal, the Lord of Time has guided > me > > in > > > this > > > > attempt to resolve the issue of ayanamsha and the precession of > > > equinox. > > > > The blessings of Brihaspati, Jupiter and Sun have shown the > path > > in > > > > comprehending the natural patterns of time. I propose to > suggest a > > > > unique and clear solution to the Zero of the Zodiac for Jyotish > > as > > > also > > > > the rate of precession. It is based on the ancient concept of > > > > drikaganita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This study does not use any scriptural reference, fixed star or > > > > constellation, historical reference or any other assumption but > is > > > > entirely based on an empirical search for patterns and data > > analysis > > > of > > > > the Swiss Ephemeris data available to me through Jagannath Hora > > > > software. It suggests that the Zero of the Zodiac or the effect > > of > > > the > > > > precession/ ayanamsha value can be derived independently and > > exactly > > > > from the data of the tropical ephemeris itself without any > > external > > > > input. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The study proposes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Like the Sun and Moon opposition and conjunctions form > the > > > natural > > > > cycle for a month; similarly, Jupiter and Sun > > conjunction/opposition > > > > create a natural cycle defining not only a year but also the > > entire > > > > precessional cycle of 25800 years. The very genesis of the Zero > > of > > > the > > > > Zodiac and thus the beginning of Aries/Mesh originates from > this > > > cycle. > > > > 2. The rate of precession over this cycle is at present 288 > > > minutes > > > > (4 Degrees 48 minutes) per 344 years plus 5 days. This 344 year > > > cycle > > > > comprises of 320 conjunctions of Sun/Jupiter and is being > termed > > as > > > the > > > > Ujjayini Cycle. > > > > 3. A single Jupiter/Sun conjunction/opposition leads to a > > > precession > > > > of around 54 minutes. > > > > 4. 24000 conjunctions/oppositions of Sun/Jupiter lead to a > > full > > > 360 > > > > degrees precession over a present period of 25800 years but > this > > > could > > > > vary depending on the natural cycles of Sun/Jupiter over the > > years. > > > > 5. The entire cycle would consist of 75 Ujjayini cycles of > > 344 > > > years > > > > each with 25 cycles over 8600 years will lead to a 120 degree > > > > precession. > > > > 6. Precession over a single rashi/sign would take 2150 > years > > at > > > the > > > > present rate. > > > > 7. The most likely mathematical solution for Zero of the > > > ayanamsha > > > > with respect to the Tropical Zero is either at the Autumn > Equinox > > of > > > 273 > > > > AD at a Sun/Jupiter conjunction at 29:13 Virgo (Tropical > value) > > or > > > the > > > > Vernal Equinox of 321 AD with a Sun /Jupiter opposition with > Sun > > at > > > 1 > > > > Aries and Jupiter at 1 Libra. > > > > 8. Without any reference to Chitra, the Chitrapaksha/ Lahiri > > > > ayanamsha gets approximately validated. If the Zero is taken > in > > > 273, a > > > > correction of plus 9' 47'' is needed and if taken at 321 AD > vernal > > > > Equinox, the correction is minus 29'57''. > > > > 9. The correction would then be based on a progression of > the > > > Zero by > > > > 4'48'' in every 320 Su/Ju cycles in 344 years. > > > > 10. This would suggest at a correction of Lahiri minus > > > > 29'57'' in 321 AD, the following ayanamsha values: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Year > > > > > > > > Proposed ayanamsha > > > > > > > > Lahiri ayanamsha > > > > > > > > Difference > > > > > > > > 22 March, 321 > > > > > > > > 0-0-00 > > > > > > > > 0-29-56.97 > > > > > > > > - 29-56.97 > > > > > > > > 27 march, 665 > > > > > > > > 4-48-00 > > > > > > > > 5-16-8.2 > > > > > > > > -28-8.2 > > > > > > > > 2 April, 1009 > > > > > > > > 9-36-00 > > > > > > > > 10-3-9.98 > > > > > > > > - 27-9.98 > > > > > > > > 6 April, 1353 > > > > > > > > 14-24-00 > > > > > > > > 14-50-6.66 > > > > > > > > -26-6.66 > > > > > > > > 11 April 1697 > > > > > > > > 19- 12-00 > > > > > > > > 19-38- 6.20 > > > > > > > > -26-6.20 > > > > > > > > 16 April,2041 > > > > > > > > 24-00-00 > > > > > > > > 24-25-48.25 > > > > > > > > -25-48.25 > > > > > > > > 21 April, 2385 > > > > > > > > 28-48-00 > > > > > > > > 29-14-47.60 > > > > > > > > -26-47.60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As is evident, the focus is on cycles regarding Sun/Jupiter > > > > conjunctions/oppositions. These cycles need to be studied > > separately > > > in > > > > the Tropical Ephemeris and in any ayanamsha corrected > ephemeris. > > The > > > > integration of the two sets of data has brought these proposals > > > which > > > > stem from the following observations: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter moves at varying speeds in different > signs/rashis > > in > > > > different months. When conjunct with Sun its geocentric speed > is > > 6: > > > 30/7 > > > > degrees/month. Slowing down till retrograde, then moving in the > > > opposite > > > > side and finally moving fast again at the next conjunction. A > key > > > > pointer is that the movement of Jupiter is different in > different > > > > Rashis/signs. > > > > 2. A full cycle of Jupiter conjunctions over 12 years shows > > the > > > key > > > > pattern of only 11 conjunctions with no conjunction in one of > the > > 12 > > > > signs. The synodic cycle of Jupiter is different and varying > when > > > > Jupiter is in different rashis. > > > > 3. In a tropical conjunction cycle the differential of the > > > > progression of two consecutive conjunctions between two > > consecutive > > > > signs varies over time in accordance with precessional effect, > it > > > does > > > > not do so in the ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris and the > progressive > > > > differential is always minimal at the cusp of Libra/Virgo. > > > > 4. An observation of the differential of progressions > between > > > > different signs in a multiple synodic cycle of Jupiter on the > > > Tropical > > > > Zodiac with 83 calendar years as the unit, spread over – 4700 > BC > > to > > > > 5300 AD strikingly reveals the shifts over every 1075/2100 > years. > > > > Simple graphs of this data show how simply the various tropical > > > signs > > > > are shifting according to the placement of the Zero of the > Zodiac > > > and > > > > provide unique values not only at 285AD in the conjunction > cycle > > > and > > > > 321 Ad in the opposition cycle but at every 2100 year interval > on > > > both > > > > sides of the zero. > > > > 5. The patterns emerging are similar to a single one year > > cycle > > > of > > > > Jupiter. The elegance and simplicity of the macro linkage of a > > > Jupiter > > > > cycle of 25800 years with the micro one year cycle is amazingly > > > > breathtaking. > > > > 6. Separately, in an ayanamsha adjusted ephemeris, > > observation > > > of the > > > > multiple long term cycles of Jupiter conjunctions/opposition > with > > > Sun > > > > reveals that in every 344 years and five days or 319 > > > > conjunctions/oppositions; Jupiter and Sun return to nearly the > > same > > > > point in the Zodiac. This natural cycle like the others which > are > > > known, > > > > the Metonic cycle; the Saros cycle runs in a series. From any > > date > > > in a > > > > calendar and using an ayanamsha adjusted nirayaana ephemeris, > to > > any > > > > other date 344 years+4/5 days away will lead to nearly the same > > > position > > > > of Jupiter as well as Sun. This is the cycle being termed as the > > > > Ujjayini Cycle being used to understand the rate of precession. > > This > > > > 25800 year cycle at present suggests an average 50.23 arc > seconds > > of > > > > precession every year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The data used for analyzing as well as the detailed illustrated > > > study is > > > > being posted as a file. The excel charts in themselves reveal > the > > > story > > > > of the moving zodiac itself deriving the precession from the > > equinox > > > in > > > > any year uniquely. > > > > > > > > The sheer simplicity of measuring the precessional values; the > > > elegant > > > > symphonic and synchronised movements of the cycles over years > is > > > what > > > > nature has provided us and the Lord of Time, Mahakaaleshwar has > > > guided > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before, I conclude this; I must express my gratitude to Shri PVR > > > > Narasimha Rao, the creator of Jagannath Hora, without which > this > > > study > > > > could not have been possible. I am also grateful to Shri Sanjay > > Rath > > > > whose lucid use of symbols in explaining Jyotisha helped me. > > > > Finally, I need to convey my thanks and regards to Shri > > > Rohiniranjan, > > > > poet, philosopher, a veteran student of Jyotisha for forty > years > > and > > > a > > > > human being par excellence with whom I interacted on this > project > > > for > > > > many months and despite hopeless forays in many blind alleys his > > > > constant encouragement was a source of inspiration in this > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remain votive to sunshine as always, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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