Just visit Astrology (Tarry. Don't rush with words)

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita,

Sorry to point out you have glossed over what I try to tell you and

gone on being, well, word-happy.

 

I wrote:

 

" Few gracefully accept. They are contented souls, or more

perhaps. The rest make up the big world that is not all beatitude.

 

When I said they (the rest) cannot accept, could I have meant they

crank up within themselves oodles of energy, cast about and mouth

inanities, and get fresh and what have you?

 

Because they cannot accept, they won't pause to join words to their

referents. I wrote the following in response to the two points you

make in your Revisiting Astrology posting, believing you were

earnest.

 

" > > And they must catch up too - making use of astrology variously

as

> > superstitious crutch, as ambitious spurs, or as oars. Which

> > depends.

> >

> > There is something comparable, something that swishes away what

is

> > substantive to what we are trying to understand here... "

 

Engage in something that is aligned to quality ratiocination and

that adds to forum members' understanding. Else, one wanders among

the disrelations between words and referents, feeling happy that one

is lucky being a scatter-brain.

 

I for one find that rather off-putting.

 

Do your own thinking. But before that read up enough.

 

Take care.

 

RK

 

 

 

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Arkay,

>

> " Just that you got a little too blithe (I don't mean you remain

dour

> in the company of your " wonderful friends " here). "

>

> I think all of us, and u too, would prefer to be blithe rather

that

> dour....In any case what makes us blithe and what makes us dour

is

> illusory.....so no harm in having illusions that make us happy. As

> regards " too " blithe....its just a matter of how much energy we

can

> crank up within ourselves to be whatever we are, isn't it???

>

> " Astrology could be vanished if we were all perfect beings, the

world

> were not a vale of soul-making " .

>

> But dear, the world is a " vale of soul-making " ....why else are we

> here if not to evolve??? ISn't that a very natural thing to

happen???

>

> Nalini writes:

>

> " ...if certain experiences have been given to you it is because you

> have wished it so. It is never a reward and punishment theory as

for

> as the Divine is considered. All deeds are but the wishes of the

> inner I. It becomes so much more easier that all the ills are

> foisted on us by *ourselves*... "

>

> Yesterday, I was savouring (read that as licking and lapping up)

> OSho's write-up posted by Shreenadh. It mentions something about

we

> choosing the constellations we are born under...so that we can

> experience what we have to experience. By the same logic we may

> choose the prarabhda we have to live thru in this life, don't u

> think???

>

> Yes, would love to hear more....

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

>

> , " arkaydash "

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > , " vinita kumar "

> > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > >

> > Dear Vinita,

> > Just that you got a little too blithe (I don't mean you remain

> dour

> > in the company of your " wonderful friends " here). And I write.

> >

> > Astrology could be vanished if we were all perfect beings, the

> world

> > were not a vale of soul-making.

> >

> > 'Is' and 'will become' are two different visages Time wears. The

> > second premise puts to sleep the eager maker of our little

worlds

> > that we are. His Will is verbally eloquent. Is rarely submitted

> to.

> > {Is not easy to access. Not easy in that we are lost in surround

> > sounds.} Few gracefully accept. They are contented souls, or

more

> > perhaps. The rest make up the big world that is not all

beatitude.

> > And they must catch up too - making use of astrology variously

as

> > superstitious crutch, as ambitious spurs, or as oars. Which

> > depends.

> >

> > There is something comparable, something that swishes away what

is

> > substantive to what we are trying to understand here, something

> that

> > creates a lucid void when Nalini writes

> >

> > ...if certain experiences have been given to you it is because

you

> > have wished it so. It is never a reward and punishment theory as

> for

> > as the Divine is considered. All deeds are but the wishes of the

> > inner I. It becomes so much more easier that all the ills are

> > foisted on us by *ourselves*...

> >

> > particularly when she says ills are foisted by ourselves. Such

> > ownership takes it to the other simplistic extreme.

> >

> > More later. Tell me if you (both) get the drift.

> >

> > RK

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Dear Shreenadh, all!

> > >

> > > I was just thinking that if we keep in mind the following two

> > things:

> > >

> > > 1. Whatever is now will never remain the same

> > > 2. Whatever happens next, is for my own good, let me accept it

> > > completely ( " Thy will be done " )

> > >

> > > the relevance of astrology disappears completely. VAMOOOOOZ!

> > >

> > > Or is there there something more to the study of this subject

> that

> > i

> > > am missing???

> > >

> > > Would love to hear from all of u.

> > >

> > > Luv,

> > >

> > > Vinita

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RK ji,

 

" Engage in something that is aligned to quality ratiocination and

that adds to forum members' understanding. Else, one wanders among

the disrelations between words and referents, feeling happy that one

is lucky being a scatter-brain. "

 

I read these words with rapt attention and found that i did not

understand all the words there. :;)

 

But i think what i got was the general drift of what u were trying

to say.

 

For me participating on forums is more of a fun thing. Actually,

learning can be fun if we are not too serious.

 

I have learnt a lot from this forum - which is full of learned

members.

 

I am going to post two messages, (in response to your

exhortations ) to " read " more before posting stuff on this forum.

 

But after this i hope u will allow me to post at least 10 " non-

serious " messages which do not involve reading too much!!!???

 

:)

 

Love,

 

Vinita

 

 

 

, " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita,

> Sorry to point out you have glossed over what I try to tell you

and

> gone on being, well, word-happy.

>

> I wrote:

>

> " Few gracefully accept. They are contented souls, or more

> perhaps. The rest make up the big world that is not all beatitude.

>

> When I said they (the rest) cannot accept, could I have meant they

> crank up within themselves oodles of energy, cast about and mouth

> inanities, and get fresh and what have you?

>

> Because they cannot accept, they won't pause to join words to

their

> referents. I wrote the following in response to the two points you

> make in your Revisiting Astrology posting, believing you were

> earnest.

>

> " > > And they must catch up too - making use of astrology

variously

> as

> > > superstitious crutch, as ambitious spurs, or as oars. Which

> > > depends.

> > >

> > > There is something comparable, something that swishes away

what

> is

> > > substantive to what we are trying to understand here... "

>

> Engage in something that is aligned to quality ratiocination and

> that adds to forum members' understanding. Else, one wanders among

> the disrelations between words and referents, feeling happy that

one

> is lucky being a scatter-brain.

>

> I for one find that rather off-putting.

>

> Do your own thinking. But before that read up enough.

>

> Take care.

>

> RK

>

>

>

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arkay,

> >

> > " Just that you got a little too blithe (I don't mean you remain

> dour

> > in the company of your " wonderful friends " here). "

> >

> > I think all of us, and u too, would prefer to be blithe rather

> that

> > dour....In any case what makes us blithe and what makes us dour

> is

> > illusory.....so no harm in having illusions that make us happy.

As

> > regards " too " blithe....its just a matter of how much energy we

> can

> > crank up within ourselves to be whatever we are, isn't it???

> >

> > " Astrology could be vanished if we were all perfect beings, the

> world

> > were not a vale of soul-making " .

> >

> > But dear, the world is a " vale of soul-making " ....why else are

we

> > here if not to evolve??? ISn't that a very natural thing to

> happen???

> >

> > Nalini writes:

> >

> > " ...if certain experiences have been given to you it is because

you

> > have wished it so. It is never a reward and punishment theory as

> for

> > as the Divine is considered. All deeds are but the wishes of the

> > inner I. It becomes so much more easier that all the ills are

> > foisted on us by *ourselves*... "

> >

> > Yesterday, I was savouring (read that as licking and lapping up)

> > OSho's write-up posted by Shreenadh. It mentions something about

> we

> > choosing the constellations we are born under...so that we can

> > experience what we have to experience. By the same logic we may

> > choose the prarabhda we have to live thru in this life, don't u

> > think???

> >

> > Yes, would love to hear more....

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> >

> > , " arkaydash "

> > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " vinita

kumar "

> > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > Dear Vinita,

> > > Just that you got a little too blithe (I don't mean you remain

> > dour

> > > in the company of your " wonderful friends " here). And I write.

> > >

> > > Astrology could be vanished if we were all perfect beings, the

> > world

> > > were not a vale of soul-making.

> > >

> > > 'Is' and 'will become' are two different visages Time wears.

The

> > > second premise puts to sleep the eager maker of our little

> worlds

> > > that we are. His Will is verbally eloquent. Is rarely

submitted

> > to.

> > > {Is not easy to access. Not easy in that we are lost in

surround

> > > sounds.} Few gracefully accept. They are contented souls, or

> more

> > > perhaps. The rest make up the big world that is not all

> beatitude.

> > > And they must catch up too - making use of astrology variously

> as

> > > superstitious crutch, as ambitious spurs, or as oars. Which

> > > depends.

> > >

> > > There is something comparable, something that swishes away

what

> is

> > > substantive to what we are trying to understand here,

something

> > that

> > > creates a lucid void when Nalini writes

> > >

> > > ...if certain experiences have been given to you it is because

> you

> > > have wished it so. It is never a reward and punishment theory

as

> > for

> > > as the Divine is considered. All deeds are but the wishes of

the

> > > inner I. It becomes so much more easier that all the ills are

> > > foisted on us by *ourselves*...

> > >

> > > particularly when she says ills are foisted by ourselves. Such

> > > ownership takes it to the other simplistic extreme.

> > >

> > > More later. Tell me if you (both) get the drift.

> > >

> > > RK

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadh, all!

> > > >

> > > > I was just thinking that if we keep in mind the following

two

> > > things:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Whatever is now will never remain the same

> > > > 2. Whatever happens next, is for my own good, let me accept

it

> > > > completely ( " Thy will be done " )

> > > >

> > > > the relevance of astrology disappears completely.

VAMOOOOOZ!

> > > >

> > > > Or is there there something more to the study of this

subject

> > that

> > > i

> > > > am missing???

> > > >

> > > > Would love to hear from all of u.

> > > >

> > > > Luv,

> > > >

> > > > Vinita

> > > >

> > >

> >

>